Fedora Unity releases updated Fedora 9 Re-Spin
The Fedora Unity Project is proud to announce the release of new ISO Re-Spins (DVD) of Fedora 9. These Re-Spin ISOs are based on the officially released Fedora 9 installation media and include all updates released as of July 18th, 2008. The ISO images are available for i386 and x86_64 architectures via Jigdo starting Sunday, July 20th, 2008 (or, right now). We were unable to include CD Image sets this time, due to problems we are experiencing ordering the packages and sorting them amongst the different discs in the set. A default installation would have required all discs. With this particular Re-Spin though, we address the following problems: - #445517, Anaconda crashed during selecting packages (installation mode); Translation of plural in Russian made anaconda fail during the selection of packages, if the installation was done in Russian - #445974, minstg2 installs fail - missing /usr/sbin/lspci We would like to give a special thanks to the following for testing this respin within 2 days - Harley-D Dana Hoffman Jr - zcat Jason Farrell - Sonar_GuyScott Glaser - Southern_Gentleman Ben Williams - kanarip Jeroen van Meeuwen Fedora Unity has taken up the Re-Spin task to provide the community with the chance to install Fedora with recent updates already included. These updates might otherwise comprise more than 1.91 GByte of downloads for a full install, and an additional 265.69 MByte for pulled in dependencies. This is a community project, for and by the community. You can contribute to the community by joining our test process. A full list of bugs, packages and changelogs that have been updated in this Re-Spin can be reviewed on: http://spins.fedoraunity.org/changelogs/20080718/ Go to http://spins.fedoraunity.org/spins to get the bits! If you are interested in helping with the testing or mirroring efforts, please contact the Fedora Unity team. Contact information is available at http://fedoraunity.org/ or the #fedora-unity channel on the Freenode IRC Network (irc.freenode.net). To report bugs in the Re-Spins please use http://bugs.fedoraunity.org/ Kind regards, The Fedora Unity Team -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Fedora Weekly News Issue 135
Fedora Weekly News Issue 135 Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 135 for the week ending July 19, 2008. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/LatestIssue Fedora Weekly News keep you updated with the latest issues, events and activities in the fedora community. If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see our 'join' page. Being a Fedora Weekly News beat writer gives you a chance to work on one of our community's most important sources of news, and can be done in only about 1 hour per week of your time. We are still looking for beat writers to cover the highlights of Fedora Marketing each week and to summarize the Fedora Events and Meetings that happened during each week. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join --- - pascal https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pcalarco -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Announcing the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group
The engineers at OLPC are busy building an educational experience for the kids of the world. They are basing their excellent work on Fedora. Their time is stretched perilously thin. Every hour an overworked OLPC engineer spends doing Fedora work is an hour they could be spending doing something else. We in the Fedora community can therefore have a huge, direct, and immediate impact on the success of the OLPC project. Thus, I am proud to announce the formation of the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group. Our mission: to provide the OLPC project with a strong, sustainable, scalable, community-driven base platform for innovation. Immediate Goals: 1. To identify and take responsible ownership of as many OLPC base packages as possible. 2. To maintain an excellent Sugar environment for Fedora, including a dedicated Sugar spin. 3. To identify useful opportunities for collaboration (infrastructure, localization, etc.) We should convene our first meeting as soon as possible. If you are interested in participating, please join the Fedora OLPC mailing list here and introduce yourself: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list --g -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Re: [Nodoka GTK2 Engine] Gathering ideas for next release
Jiří Jakub Mašek wrote: Hi, I prefer the variant of 14,17,20,23 (in the right column) shapes from radio-check.png, low noise, good readable... Uh... those are not different choices but all the possible states for those controls. 2008/7/18 Martin Sourada: On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 22:55 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: * improvement of the check/radio button design I've just finished new design sketch for those. It's rather radical change compared to current looks, but IMHO it's badly needed. As usual, comments are welcome :-) Yup, it is a radical change, now they look really themed (worth talking about it as a feature). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Intro
Ashok Gautham wrote: My name is Ashok Gautham. I prefer the nick ScriptDevil Hi and welcome! I am a UG student in India. I can work with Gimp. I am learning blender at the moment. But it may take quite some time. I have been using We can use some Blender expertise and GIMP is always useful. gnu/linux for around 4 years now. My primary distros are Archlinux and Fedora. I designed an artwork for xubuntu's hardy heron release. but it And you still wanted to contribute to Ubuntu despite not being the distribution you use the most? wasnt approved because it was too big for the page http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2419085144/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2419769741/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2419085144/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2418002154/ Maybe they had some other concerns, like they looked for a different style or maybe have not liked the graphics enough? I am willing to contribute to fedora. I am more than happy to be of help Have a look at our open requests queue and see if you find there something you'd like to work on: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Nodoka GTK2 Engine] Gathering ideas for next release - wiki is up
Yup, it is a radical change, now they look really themed (worth talking about it as a feature). Probably yes. Considering that the Feature freeze for F10 is nearing and I haven't finished yet with the sketching, I'll push it for Fedora 11, while in Fedora 10 we'll have new notification theme [1], maybe the Echo icons and some minor improvements to the gtk theme/engine. Also, as the number of my sketches is increasing, I've prepared a wiki page [2] to keep them together with other information regarding the 0.8.x branch of gtk-nodoka-engine. Suggestions and comments welcome :-) Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NodokaNotificationTheme [2] https://fedorahosted.org/nodoka/wiki/0.8.x_Brainstorm signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Intro
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And you still wanted to contribute to Ubuntu despite not being the distribution you use the most? At that point of time I was trying out xubuntu on another computer. So i wanted to contribute wasnt approved because it was too big for the page http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2419085144/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2419769741/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2419085144/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2418002154/ Maybe they had some other concerns, like they looked for a different style or maybe have not liked the graphics enough? vincent, who handles the site told me that it was too big for the page. And yeah... I agree there was a lil too much of graphic content in it Thanks : :D btw... how do I get myself approved in the artwork group? ScriptDevil ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Intro
Nicu Buculei wrote: Ashok Gautham wrote: btw... how do I get myself approved in the artwork group? Complete a request from the DesignService queue (I linked to it in my previous message) and someone (me?) will approve you, this is the rule Uh... lame reply to myself: or create any other useful/quality graphic for Fedora, it may be an Echo icon or anything else, even something informal. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[fedora-astronomy] Poster about Fedora Astronomy presented
Hi all, this last week I have presented a poster about Fedora Astronomy in the meeting of the Spanish Astronomical Society. This is me: http://sergiopr.fedorapeople.org/docs/p1000943.jpg and this is the poster (in Spanish): http://sergiopr.fedorapeople.org/docs/fedora_poster_sea08.pdf The proceedings of the meeting will be published the next year, in the Highlights of Spanish Astrophysics series. Perhaps the proceeding could appear in ADS (http://adsabs.harvard.edu), the main site for astrophysical references. We colud get more impact presenting something in the ADASS meeting, but this is a begining. Regards, Sergio ___ Fedora astronomy mailing list Fedora-astronomy-list@redhat.com http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-astronomy-list
[Bug 456084] Review Request: gfs-garaldus-fonts - GFS Garaldus majuscule Greek font
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Review Request: gfs-garaldus-fonts - GFS Garaldus majuscule Greek font https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456084 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added CC||fedora-fonts-bugs- ||[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 454128] Review Request: Thibault-fonts - Collection of fonts from thibault.org
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Review Request: Thibault-fonts - Collection of fonts from thibault.org https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454128 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-07-21 10:56 EST --- (In reply to comment #15) I think that isn't the packagers real name, and I thought the CLA didn't permit anonymous contributions. I've confirmed that it is his real name. There is no legal holdup here (that I am aware of). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 454128] Review Request: Thibault-fonts - Collection of fonts from thibault.org
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Review Request: Thibault-fonts - Collection of fonts from thibault.org https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454128 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Flag|fedora-review? |fedora-review+ --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-07-21 12:12 EST --- Please use the setup macro. You might also want to look at rewriting the spec to follow the template since the current style appears odd. Other than that APPROVED. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 455995] No OpenType
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: No OpenType https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455995 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-07-21 15:38 EST --- Odd. I see the .otf files in the binary distribution, but they don't seem to be providing the .fea files for otf fonts, and I can't get the sdf files to generate otf files either. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 456084] Review Request: gfs-garaldus-fonts - GFS Garaldus majuscule Greek font
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Review Request: gfs-garaldus-fonts - GFS Garaldus majuscule Greek font https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456084 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added AssignedTo|[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED] Flag||fedora-review? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 456084] Review Request: gfs-garaldus-fonts - GFS Garaldus majuscule Greek font
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Review Request: gfs-garaldus-fonts - GFS Garaldus majuscule Greek font https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456084 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Flag||fedora-cvs? --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-07-21 15:52 EST --- I guess I pay for the fact rpmlint is broken in rawhide by the new rpm, so I can't run it. However I do know what that warning means (font spec filename ≠ rpm filename) so I'll fix it before import Thanks you for the lighting-fast review! New Package CVS Request === Package Name: gfs-garaldus-fonts Short Description: GFS Garaldus majuscule Greek font Owners: nim Branches: devel only InitialCC: fonts-sig Cvsextras Commits: yes -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 455995] No OpenType
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: No OpenType https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455995 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-07-21 16:23 EST --- I've filed a bug with upstream about this issue: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=2023902group_id=89513atid=590374 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
[Bug 454967] Review Request: darkgarden-fonts - Dark Garden is a decorative outline font of unusual shape.
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Review Request: darkgarden-fonts - Dark Garden is a decorative outline font of unusual shape. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454967 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-07-21 23:18 EST --- Modified to more closely follow fedora's policies, and per my experience with thibault-fonts. Spec URL: http://www.oslb.net/fonts/darkgarden/darkgarden-fonts.spec SRPM URL: http://www.oslb.net/fonts/darkgarden/darkgarden-fonts-1.1-1.fc9.src.rpm Mock built for FC7, FC8, and FC9 RPMS: FC9: http://www.oslb.net/fonts/darkgarden/darkgarden-fonts-1.1-1.fc9.noarch.rpm FC8: http://www.oslb.net/fonts/darkgarden/darkgarden-fonts-1.1-1.fc8.noarch.rpm FC7: http://www.oslb.net/fonts/darkgarden/darkgarden-fonts-1.1-1.fc7.noarch.rpm SRPMS: FC9: http://www.oslb.net/fonts/darkgarden/darkgarden-fonts-1.1-1.fc9.src.rpm FC8: http://www.oslb.net/fonts/darkgarden/darkgarden-fonts-1.1-1.fc8.src.rpm FC7: http://www.oslb.net/fonts/darkgarden/darkgarden-fonts-1.1-1.fc7.src.rpm Lyos Gemini Norezel -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list
Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...
I suspect the person that did the work used his employers' (very) non-free software to do the job, and said person is probably at risk of getting fired if found out. But who says we cannot use the result if it is GPL'd. Furthermore, the modification dates of the files inside the archive indicates that this happened 5 years ago, so it may be really hard to trace who did it. Also, in my enthusiasm I omitted the fact that these fonts are based on the ghostscript 6.0 fonts, before Cyrillic glyphs were added. E.g., Nimbus Roman Regular's PS Core is version 1.05, not 1.06. The Cyrillic glyphs need to be merged in. Probably the cleanest thing to do is redo the conversion starting with the current version of gs-fonts (8.11). We can use the goose version as model for what the result should look like (kerning, ligatures etc.) Any experts here that can help with that? On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le lundi 21 juillet 2008 à 00:48 +0300, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : I've found CFF OpenType versions of the ghostscript URW fonts. AFAICT, they are well done: have kerning pairs (using the correct 'kern' feature for CFF files), has ligatures etc. They also fix the missing mappings for Romanian (no locl table yet...). The only troublesome point may that the author of the conversion seems to want to remain anonymous. The license of the fonts is still GPL. You need to trace this version to its ultimate source, talk with fedora-legal (or spot) and convince the current package maintainer to switch font sources -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
[Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar]
Message transféré De: Gustavo Ferreira À: fedora-fonts-list-request Sujet: the ivory tower and the bazaar Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:38:59 -0300 On Jul 20, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: If the free/open font scene was striving Red Hat needn't have shelled a lot of money to a closed foundry like Ascender. Or the GNOME Foundation needn't have done the same with Bitstream for Vera. Experience shows it is very possible to extend a font with little coverage to more than decent one but it requires making a lot of noise around unfinished font cores with correct licensing to get someone interested. And you don't get there via traditionnal ivory tower isolated font designer workflow. i have yet to see one good, original, well-made typeface developed in the bazaar way. can you name one? also, please don't be ungrateful to the isolated ivory-tower designer workflow, since it has produced the best foss-fonts out there. i challenge the free open font crowd to promote free/open fonts on the basis of their typographic quality, without appealing to below- the-belt demonization of proprietary designers and proprietary tools. Teams was released in 2000 by TopTeam. It took 8 years before someone picked it up and started updating it (Edrip). Have Debian (and other distributions, sadly Fedora not included) wasted their time by publishing Teams for 8 years in its poor state? If they hadn't I strongly suspect Edrip would not have happened. We're seeding our future. Those things take time, a lot of time. And the future will happen faster if people stop putting their heads in the sand, wasting time on proprietary fonts or font tools, and get to work. During this year's LGM a concerted effort created a new nicely licensed font from an old fossilizing one in a few days. Just a few years ago this would have been complete science fiction. do you mean NotCourier Sans? i don't dislike the result, but let's be honest about it -- chopping off serifs from an existing font is not really type-design... cheers, - gustavo. -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Fedora font inclusion timeline
Hi, For those interested by a little history, I've added a timeline in the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts_inclusion_history Feel free to correct/complete it. As anyone can check until F9 we weren't very dynamic and spent our time renaming old packages. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Adobe FDK under wine? Or similar FOSS tool?
On Sunday 20 July 2008, Vasile Gaburici wrote:
Editing OpenType feature tables with fontforge is a big PITA. Adding
a locl table to Linux Libertine, see
[https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks/Ro_fonts#Linux_Libertine],
took me three hours (testing included). And that just for the regular
font. Parts of the table are (or rather should be) common between
files, but fontforge doesn't support that, so I have to start over
for the bold and italic!
I guess you just need to be used to how FontForge handles OpenType? I
don't think it looks that hard to do. It used to be much harder as well
before George completely redid OpenType handling :-).
But true, you need to be familiar with lookup tables, while I guess you
just want to be able to select a glyph, and click some buttons saying:
I want feature locl for languages latn{ROM} and latn{MOL} and
substitute it with glyph X. And actually, it already works like that,
if you made the lookups and lookup subtables. It only makes sense to
put these together in tables like that. If you have a list of glyphs
you substitute in certain languages and suddenly think you need one
other language you don't have to change all previous lookups, just
change the language list in the data.
btw, there is a Copy lookup data entry in the FontForge edit menu
that could ease the pain having to redo everything for each font.
Greetings
Ben
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Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 22:32 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 04:47 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Having said that, my *usage* of the term Linux encompasses any accumulation of software that has a useful purpose and is constructed around a Linux kernel. This includes GNU+Linux, X+Linux, Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu/Slackware/etc. and the system that runs my wife's RAZR-2 cellphone. OK, that's a fairly clear explanation. Apparently you're in the everything and the kitchen sink camp too. Everything? There is a world outside Linux. It contains Windows, MacOS, VMS, VM/370 etc. 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.' Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. When combined with the assumption that everyone else automatically knows what Humpty Dumpty wants the words to mean it ensures endless misunderstandings. It appears the misunderstandings are happening anyway. That quote isn't complete without the bit about having the power. Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Script to add launcher to menu panel?
Hello Arch, On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:56:22 -0400 Arch Willingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need language to create a script that will create a launcher on the top GNOME menu panel. I have read a ton of stuff and it seems to do with gconftool-2 but I can't find the exact way to do it. Any ideas? Thanks! Using xdg-desktop-menu from Xdg-utils maybe? http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/XdgUtils http://portland.freedesktop.org/xdg-utils-1.0/xdg-desktop-menu.html Regards, -- wwp signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 04:57 +, g wrote: Ric Moore wrote: snip When I first started using Linux, I bugged the living heck out of anyone snip fsck themselves while leaving them liking it! :) Ric i am really going to enjoy checking f9 respin. i am going to see what all i can get into setting up my 2wire modem for wireless and then give kvm and xen a run. newbie time again. but i *do* know how to use 'google linux', so i will not be too hard you folks. ;o) Ha! Join the club! I'll never catch up! But, that's the good part! Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome. R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 - -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Having said that, my *usage* of the term Linux encompasses any accumulation of software that has a useful purpose and is constructed around a Linux kernel. This includes GNU+Linux, X+Linux, Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu/Slackware/etc. and the system that runs my wife's RAZR-2 cellphone. 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.' 'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.' Through The Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll That's a beautiful example of the literal truth of that chapter. Humpty Dumpty spoke complete nonsense, from which no one could possibly understand his meaning, because he decided that words meant what he wanted them to mean. Thus it is for people who say Linux when they mean an operating system that is Unix-like (which is GNU) or a distribution composed of Free Software (which may be Fedora or something else). Language doesn't work that way. If you speak, and your listener doesn't understand you, then *you* are the one at fault. There's no point in speaking to others except for them to understand your meaning. That is why it is essential for us all to use words whose meanings are consistent and specific. Therefore, it is detrimental to refer to the Linux kernel as Linux, and the GNU+Linux operating sytem as Linux, and distributions of Free Software which run the GNU operating system as Linux. How will anyone understand what you mean? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
* Björn Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080721 04:47]: söndagen den 20 juli 2008 skrev Anders Karlsson: [snip] Is it really so hard to grasp that the term Linux can (and does) mean different things depending on context, who you are talking to, and the counterparts technical savvy? It's not difficult at all to understand that people have different ideas of what Linux is, but that's not enough to understand what any particular person means when he says Linux. And why are we even communicating if we aren't going to try to understand each other? S, it's easy to grasp that people have different ideas about what Linux is, depending on context, technical savvy and who you converse with - and yet forcing the point of trying to obtain a final specification of what Linux is prevails. H.. Understanding each other implies some sort of diplomatic process to get the two differing opinions to move nearer to each other. I'm not seeing much diplomacy, but I am seeing lots of drift the argument sideways to avoid something uncomfortable or circular reasonings. It's all a bit pants really. I also would like to know why you have the absolute fascination and the palpable need to obtain a totally absolute definition of Linux. I don't think I'll get everyone to agree on a definition. I don't even think all the anti-GNU/Linux folks will agree on a definition. Considering the pro GNU/Linux mafia can't agree either, that's hardly surprising or relevant. When Mark Haney vented his spleen I made an attempt to damp the argument that would inevitably follow. I tried to get Mark to say something about what it was that should or shouldn't be called Linux or GNU/Linux, so that maybe people would at least argue about the same thing. That mostly failed. Yeah, putting out a bonfire by pouring diesel on it has about the same effect. I kept asking in the hope that at least some people would start thinking about whether their opponents even understood what meaning they put in the words. I expected that some of the anti-GNU/Linux folks would say that Linux is the operating system and that the operating system is the kernel plus the programs that are necessary to boot the system, log in, run commands and edit text files, or something like that. I thought that others would include stuff like Cron, RPM, X and maybe the core parts of a desktop environment. Keeping on asking just because no-one has given you the answer you want is frequently a Sisyphos task, not to mention that it annoys the sh*t out of others. It's not a way to obtain cooperation shall we say. Instead, those who have answered so far or otherwise made their position clear in the argument either say that Linux is a kernel or that pretty much everything and the kitchen sink is Linux. I didn't expect that. I'm particularly surprised that some even include unfree programs that have never been distributed bundled with Linus' kernel. Context, technical savvy and who you're talking to So far I haven't seen a pro-GNU/Linux person describe what GNU/Linux is and what it isn't. It would be interesting to see whether they include the kitchen sink in GNU/Linux. They'll throw in Emacs in the mix, so of course the kitchen sink is in. (For the record, Emacs is my favourite editor, before anyone else has a stroke and starts bleating Heresy!!) /Anders -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
* Gordon Messmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080721 08:29]: [snip] Language doesn't work that way. If you speak, and your listener doesn't understand you, then *you* are the one at fault. [snip] It's not ones fault when there is a misunderstanding, same as it's not ones fault there is an argument. Don't lose sight of the bigger picture. By your argument, we should not speak unless we spoke fluent legaleese, or we all became Ent's. Sorry dude, not happening. /Anders -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Jul 21, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed that there is next to no chance for enforcement in such a case, but does your reading of the GPL not indicate that non-GPL distribution of copies of anything ever covered by its work-as-a-whole provision is prohibited? Yep, my reading does not indicate that. As I've already tried to explain to you, the GPL doesn't take away any rights that you had before receiving the program, or even before accepting the license. So, if you have received a whole program under the GPL, and one of its files says: This file is in the public domain Then you can use it however you like, no matter what the GPL says, because the GPL can't bring the file out of the public domain. If the file says: Copyright 2008 John Doe You have permission to do whatever you like with this file, including running, reading, studying, modifying, distributing, publishing, selling, etc, as long as you retain the copyright notice and this license. then it doesn't matter that the GPL refrains from granting you permission to do certain things, you have that express permission straight from the copyright holder in the file itself, and the GPL will not take it away from you. To make sense of this in your twisted GPL has restrictions understanding, you could picture it as if each file was under a dual license: the GPL under which the whole is distributed, with its alleged restrictions, and the individual license applied to the file (or even to parts of files). To me it makes more sense to just take it as a sum of permissions: such and such license over such and such parts (or the whole) grant me permission to do such and such with those parts (or the whole); such and such license over such and such parts grant me permission to do such and such with those parts, etc. Free Software licenses, being pure copyright licenses, can't remove any rights, so this kind of reasoning has worked quite well for me. Of course, if you bring non-Free agreements into the picture, agreements that require explicit acceptance because they do remove certain rights you had before, then things get messier, and this simple sum of permissions approach won't work. I don't see any escape clause. There isn't any for dual licensing either. But that's because other licenses and rights you might have are outside the scope of this one license; it only adds to the things you're entitled to do. That said, IANAL, so please don't take this as legal advice. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! = http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
This is more or less a yes or no type of question. And I picked Ric's position in the thread since, I feel, he is least likely to take offense. Is this the semi-annual Fedora diarrhea thread where folks pretend to be lawyers, intellectuals, philosophers, and the like and then talk at each other while hurling thinly disguised insults at those who disagree with their truth and nothing gets done and nobody is swayed to see the light? Just wondering. I think it is...but I was hoping someone could confirm it so I wouldn't be tempted to read the whole thread. BTW, how many pages is War and Peace? :-) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Jul 21, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: Several times, you end up having to decide between promoting software freedom and promoting the software that happens to be Free (and OSS). Yes, the divisive nature of the GPL is unfortunate. FYI, the GPL (and very many other licenses) satisfy both the Free Software and the Open Source Software definitions. There's some 5 different licenses that satisfies one of the definitions and not the others. Please don't get the impression that the issue above has anything whatsoever to do with licensing choices. It's about underlying values and goals of the two movements. Depending on whether you're guided by FS or OSS values, you'll tend to consistently choose one in detriment of the other. Yes, that is unfortunate, but you have to live with it to promote FOSS. This is fundamentally contradictory. If you have to choose between these two, you're choosing between promoting either FS or OSS. I.e., you're promoting one in detriment of the other. How can that be promoting FOSS? Or, in a more fundamental level, how would it even make sense to say promoting something, where something is defined by means of conflicting goals? I guess it's worth giving a concrete example, to save a round-trip delay. The FS movement cares about software freedom, so an essential part of this movement is to not accept, endorse or promote software that denies users any of the 4 essential freedoms, even if this means inconvenience for or even a delay in the liberation of some users. The OSS movement cares about popularity and convenience, so an esential part of this movement is to accept, endorse and promote the use of software that denies users their freedoms, when that is convenient and can lure in more users. Do you see the conflict in these two positions? Do you see that a step forward for one amounts to a step backward in the other? How, then, could it possibly make sense to even talk about promoting FOSS? -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! = http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Monday 21 July 2008 04:44:09 Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 00:44 +, g wrote: i am still holding a thread from another list that op seems like she is intentionally ignoring two of my suggestions that may well have cleared her problem. maybe not. i do not know, but i do know i will not do to my system what she, or someone else may, has done. both of my suggestions would bring her back up, one quicker than other. You see that from time to time (those who ask advice about something they claim they don't understand, but won't accept the advice). Sometimes you wonder if they're trolling, there's plenty of people who get their jollies from deliberately wasting other people's time. That's harsh. Sometimes it's purely because they are cautious and don't actually understand the implications of the advice. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Jul 21, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please show how something can
include any GPL-covered work, yet be distributed under different
terms if you insist on claiming that.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I don't have to show anything like that.
You don't, but why make such a claim when you obviously can't back it up?
I think you're pasting each other. The question is just not related
with the sub-topic at hand, and it's ambiguous.
What do you mean by include?
If you mean something like contain, then the answer is mere
aggregation, i.e., when the combination of the GPL-covered work with
the GPL-incompatible work, not derived from the former, is a fully
mechanical, rather than creative, process.
If you mean something like C's #include, then the answer can be
clean room implementation.
Now, what you're asking is about modules that are not derived works.
There's no reason to assume a module needs to include (in either
sense) GPLed code. This doens't mean it's easy, practical or even
legally bullet-proof, but it's on this kind of argument that non-GPLed
modules for Linux are justified.
Now, I'd rather not go into further details, because I don't feel like
offering a recipe on how to work around the spirit of the GPL,
especially because I don't entirely believe it would actually work if
ever disputed in a court of law.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing
Those are licenses that can be usurped by the GPL requirements.
Err... Did you notice how many of those licenses have a NO in the
GPLv{2,3} compat columns?
Are you by any chance confusing FSF Free (= respects the 4 freedoms)
with GPL compatible (= grants the permissions the GPL grants without
establishing any further requirements)?
The GPL must apply to the work-as-a-whole.
But do you have any reason to assume that a module can't be a work on
its own?
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Re: I need help with Fedora
The live CD distros which I have used 1. DyneBolic (best distro for me) 2. Ubuntu (took hell lot of time to boot) 3. Gentoo (couldn't start GUI) 4. DSL (not as good as DyneBolic) See guys, the problem with using LiveCD is that I can't save my data and there is no customization. Every time I boot using LiveCD i need to run a series of jobs for customization. Plus, my drive becomes busy and launching applications takes time. I know there are more than 300 different linux distros out there, I just need to get one. My project needs simple basic structure of linux kernel. It doesn't require GNOME or KDE. But, as I am a newbie, I can't work on command line linux. So, please advice. Regards Aakash -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
* Ed Greshko [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080721 09:25]: This is more or less a yes or no type of question. And I picked Ric's position in the thread since, I feel, he is least likely to take offense. Is this the semi-annual Fedora diarrhea thread where folks pretend to be lawyers, intellectuals, philosophers, and the like and then talk at each other while hurling thinly disguised insults at those who disagree with their truth and nothing gets done and nobody is swayed to see the light? Just wondering. I think it is...but I was hoping someone could confirm it so I wouldn't be tempted to read the whole thread. BTW, how many pages is War and Peace? :-) You are correct young man (and I have no idea of your age, so don't take offense) - this is indeed the intellectual diahorrea thread, where people vomit (not so thinly) veiled insults at each other, no-one prepared to give an inch and we are all just eagerly awaiting the Inquisition to appear, with their fanatical devotion to the Pope, red cloaks, fear and element of surprise. Also, there is no chance of anyone seeing the light, as all the flammable goods have already been hurled at the bonfire. And the lightbulb at the end of the tunnel was a cheap one, so that popped about five seconds after the thread started. I'd not waste my time if I were you. :) Cheers! /Anders -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 23:28 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: Language doesn't work that way. If you speak, and your listener doesn't understand you, then *you* are the one at fault. There's no point in speaking to others except for them to understand your meaning. That is why it is essential for us all to use words whose meanings are consistent and specific. Therefore, it is detrimental to refer to the Linux kernel as Linux, and the GNU+Linux operating sytem as Linux, and distributions of Free Software which run the GNU operating system as Linux. How will anyone understand what you mean? If you want to talk about understanding a term, you're arguing at crossed purposes. The majority will understand Linux as being an OS, the whole thing, one of the many OS distros that are similar to each other (*), but not understand it as referring to just the kernel. If you said Linux kernel, you might get them to understand you're referring to that small part of the system. It'll be a minority that understand what GNU/Linux means (and even they can't agree with each other). * Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, CentOS, Red Hat, etc., which either incorporate the word Linux into their name, or into the description of themselves (whether that be as a Linux-based thing, or simply calling themselves a Linux OS). Just try Googling Ubuntu Linux, or other distros, and you'll get pages back from their own sites that describe themselves that way. Or even just Google Linux, the first site listed (linux.org) describes it as an OS, not a kernel. Heck, even the kernel in Fedora isn't called linux but linuz (ls /boot) or kernel (the RPM it comes from). The distributions have been described as Linux for many years, it's how the general public know of it. There's no lack of understanding when one person says to another that they use Linux. They mean they use an OS which has Linux at it's heart. They only question they'll have is Which one? Programmers, on the other hand, have a different set of circumstances, where terms mean specific things. What programmers call things, and the general public call the same thing, are often very different. And, quite frankly, if they're talking about something which is specific to a specific kernel, then they're going to name it explicitly, right down to version numbers. Likewise, if it's specific to a release, they're going to name that unambiguously, too. The whole GNU/* thing smacks of sour grapes, though. They're pissed that someone else beat them to the punch in getting a working whole system out and branding recognised before they did. FSF, Stallman, et all, remind me of Greenpeace: Appalling tactics for a worthy cause. If you want to make people call Ubuntu, Ubuntu GNU/Linux instead of Ubuntu Linux, likewise for the rest of them, they need to go harass the distributors, not the users. Yes, various distributions do refer to themselves as something Linux as well as just something. One or two people need to open their eyes. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Problems ejecting cd/dvd media on F9
Hi; I have an sata dvd/rw that does the same thing. It opens and then closes. The ide/pata one works normally on the same system. Mick M -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
Tim: You see that from time to time (those who ask advice about something they claim they don't understand, but won't accept the advice). Sometimes you wonder if they're trolling, there's plenty of people who get their jollies from deliberately wasting other people's time. Anne Wilson: That's harsh. Sometimes it's purely because they are cautious and don't actually understand the implications of the advice. Maybe, but it's in there along with Windows users goading Linux users into a lather for fun, and people who think that the best way to get told how do something explictly, step by step, is to bitch on and on that nobody helps them. When a newcomer repeatedly ignores the same advice from different users, or the same advice from the same people as being a necessary step in a process, and despite explanations about why they should do what they're informed about, the benefit of the doubt lessens considerably. NB: This (trolling) is a general comment, I was commenting on what g said about someone else, elsewhere. *I* am *not* aiming it at any particular person on this list, at this time. It was just a comment that you see that kind of thing from time to time. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
See, one of the problems with open source is . THERE'S NO SUPPORT: The not-so-good news is that there's no single source of information. A simple question may result in multiple, conflicting answers with no authoritative source. ... So, when you get tons of help but leading to different ways you get confused and even sometimes you think why are you asking the question. I am not a complete window user. I wanna leave it. I just need help of you guys. I actually got what to do with my System. This is for all newbies who want to switch to linux like me. It's really good that you guys are helping. regards aakash -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 13:29 +0530, aakash sharma wrote: The live CD distros which I have used 1. DyneBolic (best distro for me) 2. Ubuntu (took hell lot of time to boot) 3. Gentoo (couldn't start GUI) 4. DSL (not as good as DyneBolic) See guys, the problem with using LiveCD is that I can't save my data and there is no customization. That's not exactly true. You can customise LiveCD systems, and you can save data. But it's not exactly easy to do, and yes, they can be painfully slow to use. If you want to use a Live CD and do that, then say so. Someone will advise about it. If you don't *want* to use a Live CD, then say so. People can start to advise on other things more appropriate to you. My project needs simple basic structure of linux kernel. It doesn't require GNOME or KDE. But, as I am a newbie, I can't work on command line linux. That's not necessarily true, either. In some cases, it can be easier to use a command line, as you can cut and paste commands and output, use tools with manuals, and specific options to your needs. Starting out using graphical tools can end up with all sorts of navigational instructions and sets of large screenshots. What really sets aside whether you want a graphical or textual environment is what you're doing. If you're working with graphics, then obviously you'll need a graphical environment. But if you're working with a programming code, then text-only may well be all you need. If you want a light weight graphical environment, you've already been informed about some of them (e.g. XFCE). Have you even researched them? What help do you need to use one of them, instead? Finding one, getting it installed, getting logins to work, something else? You still haven't given us any real clue about what your project is. For all we know, you could be writing a thesis on kernels, about to start compiling your own kernel, writing drivers, or building robots. If you want good advice, personalised to your needs, then you need to provide good information. Otherwise you're going to get advised in the wrong direction, or asked more and more questions until you give the information people need to be able to give you advice. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Problems ejecting cd/dvd media on F9
Mick M. wrote: Hi; I have an sata dvd/rw that does the same thing. It opens and then closes. Me too. It is very annoying, especially when I burn CD/DVD's. My burn script does an eject, and now after the recent upgrade it reloads and mounts the disk. I have to catch the tray with the left hand and hold it while I remove the disk with the right hand. It hasn't broken the drive - yet :-) Mogens -- Mogens Kjaer, Carlsberg A/S, Computer Department Gamle Carlsberg Vej 10, DK-2500 Valby, Denmark Phone: +45 33 27 53 25, Fax: +45 33 27 47 08 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.crc.dk -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
AMD64 and Scanners
Howdy, I've just upgraded my Linux system from the motherboard up, and there are just a couple of hic-coughs left to clear up before everthing gets to be hunky-dory. There seems to be a problem with the Avasys drivers and the 64 bit architecture. I'd like to be able to use my scanner, an Epson Perfection V10, (which worked wonderfully with FC6 on my i386 system). Is there a way to do this? Many thanks, -- Oliver Sampson Support Indie Music! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cdbaby.com/group/MrSampson http://www.oliversampson.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: bind update keeps messing up write-rights
g wrote: Gijs, from looking at headers in your reply, your are using; User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) would you please open your address book and change settings for this list to 'prefers to receive messages formatted as: plain text' also, please remove history that is unrelated to your reply. because you sent both plain text and html, you reply contained 27,772 bytes. after removing html and cutting history, your reply reduced to 4,525. that converts to 23,247 bytes of wasted bandwidth and storage. i and many others thank you for your co-operation. Never really occured to me, but it should be ok now. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Problems ejecting cd/dvd media on F9
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Mogens Kjaer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an sata dvd/rw that does the same thing. It opens and then closes. Me too. It is very annoying, especially when I burn CD/DVD's. My burn script does an eject, and now after the recent upgrade it reloads and mounts the disk. I have to catch the tray with the left hand and hold it while I remove the disk with the right hand. It hasn't broken the drive - yet :-) In my case, the trick to eject the media is as follows: 1. press the eject button in the tray and wait a few seconds; 2. press again the same button. Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
My project requires to build an GUI interface with a lot of C-code running in background. It's kind of power saving project. We are doing this on linux coz it's clear and we know where to strike. This can't be done on Windows. But my approach is not just for the project. I said, I want to switch to Linux as I am fed up of the Window Crashes and bore graphics So, my switching will require me to 1. Run Linux 2. Programming in C, C++, Python, Java 3. Use a WebServer like Apache 4. Listen to music files like mp3 and play videos of various formats 5. Browse internet. I have a WiFi USB adapter. It's RT73 USB Wireless LAN card. I need to use this. 6. Some office editing. So, that's what I want. I can experiment a lot on this system as it's old and I am gonna donate it to someone after my graduation. So, if I use linux then the person who will use my system will also use linux. That's what I think. I think now I have made myself cleared about what I want from linux. Regards aakash -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 14:20 +0530, aakash sharma wrote: See, one of the problems with open source is . THERE'S NO SUPPORT: Wrong, wrong, wrong! Firstly, there's support with open source software, just the same as closed source. The commercial RHEL has official support, and is open-source, you pay for it, just like you pay for support with some other OS from the evil empire. The cost-free distros have plenty of support, but it's mostly from unofficial sources. And so is a lot of the support for non-free OSs. The other side of the coin is that the non-free OSs have just the same issue. We still have three Windows boxes left, they're official (i.e. non pirate, original equipment with supplied OS), but the only support that's ever been directly available for them is reading the pre-published Microsoft help pages (as much fun to read as asking a lawyer for advice), and unofficial user forums (the one's I've seen are *far* worse than this mailing list). Anything more would require paying for help. The not-so-good news is that there's no single source of information. A simple question may result in multiple, conflicting answers with no authoritative source. ... Which isn't unique to open source software, either. I can't think of anybody I personally know who's ever used paid support, for any OS. I doubt any of them could afford it, anyway. I've certainly read about other people using paid support, and I've heard both praise and condemnation. Everyone I *know* users user-support forums, and they all suffer from that problem. Getting pulled in different direction, getting bad advice, and poor asking of questions. But there definitely *IS* support. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
OCR in Fedora?
Does anybody do OCR using software available in Fedora? Which ones do you use? How do you use them? I saw an article about OCRopus [1] and how great app it is but there is no ocropus in fedora currently. Cheers, Valent. [1] http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071024-hands-on-with-googles-ocropus-open-source-scanning-software.html -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Jul 21, 2008, Anders Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (For the record, Emacs is my favourite editor, before anyone else has a stroke and starts bleating Heresy!!) Heresy! Emacs is not (just) an editor! :-) -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! = http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED], gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 21, 2008, Anders Karlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (For the record, Emacs is my favourite editor, before anyone else has a stroke and starts bleating Heresy!!) Heresy! Emacs is not (just) an editor! :-) true enough. it's also a floor wax. and a dessert topping. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OCR in Fedora?
Valent Turkovic wrote: Does anybody do OCR using software available in Fedora? Which ones do you use? How do you use them? I saw an article about OCRopus [1] and how great app it is but there is no ocropus in fedora currently. Cheers, Valent. [1] http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071024-hands-on-with-googles-ocropus-open-source-scanning-software.html Hi, I use gocr-0.45-2.fc9.i386 I think it comes from the fedora repo. -- Joachim Backes [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OCR in Fedora?
2008/7/21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anybody do OCR using software available in Fedora? Which ones do you use? How do you use them? I saw an article about OCRopus [1] and how great app it is but there is no ocropus in fedora currently. [1] http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071024-hands-on-with-googles-ocropus-open-source-scanning-software.html I use gocr-0.45-2.fc9.i386 I think it comes from the fedora repo. Tesseract is better: yum install tesseract Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Network Icon
Howdy, I wanted to change my network card from DHCP to a static IP on my Fedora 9 box. So I did. The network icon (in Gnome) then shows up with an [x] saying the connection is broken. I then changed the DHCP server so that the systme would return a static IP address when queried, yet the network icon still shows up with an [x], despite the fact that the network still works. This is pretty irritating because both Evolution and Firefox start in offline mode, and I have to go and manually change them. So, how do I get the Gnome network icon to actually show the real network connection? Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Oliver Sampson Support Indie Music! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cdbaby.com/group/MrSampson http://www.oliversampson.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OCR in Fedora?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anybody do OCR using software available in Fedora? Which ones do you use? How do you use them? I saw an article about OCRopus [1] and how great app it is but there is no ocropus in fedora currently. [1] http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071024-hands-on-with-googles-ocropus-open-source-scanning-software.html I use gocr-0.45-2.fc9.i386 I think it comes from the fedora repo. Tesseract is better: yum install tesseract Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Hi Joachim and Paul, do gocr and tesseract have GUIs? How are you using them? Do you get formated text or just plain text file? Do gocr and tesseract recognise colums? Is it possible to get formated OpenOffice Writer document that matches the original scanned page? I read the article I posed the link to about OCRopus and it seams that uses tesseract but it somehow improved. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Truecrypt on Fedora
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 12:14 AM, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:34:01 +0200 Valent Turkovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can truecrypt be included in Fedora? Probably not fedora, but if someone had the energy to maintain it, I bet it could go in the livna repos (but don't look at me - I don't have the energy :-). There already is a repo; http://www.lfarkas.org/linux/packages/fedora/9/i386/ I'll ask the maintainer to add it to livna. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: bind update keeps messing up write-rights
Gijs wrote: Never really occured to me, but it should be ok now. looks great here. i do thank you. once again, i shall see your needs and words of wisdom. :o) later. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
Gordon Messmer wrote: Language doesn't work that way. If you speak, and your listener doesn't understand you, then *you* are the one at fault. There's no point in speaking to others except for them to understand your meaning. That is why it is essential for us all to use words whose meanings are consistent and specific. Therefore, it is detrimental to refer to the Linux kernel as Linux, and the GNU+Linux operating sytem as Linux, and distributions of Free Software which run the GNU operating system as Linux. How will anyone understand what you mean? I've never, ever, misunderstood someone because they use the term Linux. But I do genuinely misunderstand the term GNU operating system. Does it mean GNU/Hurd, or does it mean an operating system using a lot of GNU bits? Please read the first 2 sentences you wrote above, and think about them. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Monday 21 July 2008 08:59:57 aakash sharma wrote: The live CD distros which I have used 1. DyneBolic (best distro for me) 2. Ubuntu (took hell lot of time to boot) 3. Gentoo (couldn't start GUI) 4. DSL (not as good as DyneBolic) See guys, the problem with using LiveCD is that I can't save my data and there is no customization. Every time I boot using LiveCD i need to run a series of jobs for customization. Plus, my drive becomes busy and launching applications takes time. I know there are more than 300 different linux distros out there, I just need to get one. My project needs simple basic structure of linux kernel. It doesn't require GNOME or KDE. But, as I am a newbie, I can't work on command line linux. So, please advice. Ubuntu would, like Fedora, be running one of the big desktop managers. KDE and Gnome are too heavy for your small amount of RAM. If you install something small like Puppy you will not have to work from the command line. You may find some things easier than you thought from the command-line, but you will not be forced to use it. Live CDs are good for getting a look at possibilities, but I would never choose to work from one. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Monday 21 July 2008 10:16:16 aakash sharma wrote: My project requires to build an GUI interface with a lot of C-code running in background. It's kind of power saving project. We are doing this on linux coz it's clear and we know where to strike. This can't be done on Windows. But my approach is not just for the project. I said, I want to switch to Linux as I am fed up of the Window Crashes and bore graphics So, my switching will require me to 1. Run Linux 2. Programming in C, C++, Python, Java 3. Use a WebServer like Apache 4. Listen to music files like mp3 and play videos of various formats 5. Browse internet. I have a WiFi USB adapter. It's RT73 USB Wireless LAN card. I need to use this. 6. Some office editing. So, that's what I want. I can experiment a lot on this system as it's old and I am gonna donate it to someone after my graduation. So, if I use linux then the person who will use my system will also use linux. That's what I think. I think now I have made myself cleared about what I want from linux. Most of those things will be no problem. I'm not sure that playing videos would be a nice experience - they may well be choppy, as you can't easily cache the stream in that amount of RAM. You'd just have to try it and see. USB wifi can be tricky, but there are people who would help you get this going. You might like to bookmark http://opensource.bureau-cornavin.com/belkin/index.html as it looks as though it might help you. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
Hi Or you can install Fedora as usual, and install a more lightweight desktop like, xfce or icewm or windowmaker and change your session at gdm. Also helps if one disable a few services. Regards Marcelo Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 21 July 2008 08:59:57 aakash sharma wrote: The live CD distros which I have used 1. DyneBolic (best distro for me) 2. Ubuntu (took hell lot of time to boot) 3. Gentoo (couldn't start GUI) 4. DSL (not as good as DyneBolic) See guys, the problem with using LiveCD is that I can't save my data and there is no customization. Every time I boot using LiveCD i need to run a series of jobs for customization. Plus, my drive becomes busy and launching applications takes time. I know there are more than 300 different linux distros out there, I just need to get one. My project needs simple basic structure of linux kernel. It doesn't require GNOME or KDE. But, as I am a newbie, I can't work on command line linux. So, please advice. Ubuntu would, like Fedora, be running one of the big desktop managers. KDE and Gnome are too heavy for your small amount of RAM. If you install something small like Puppy you will not have to work from the command line. You may find some things easier than you thought from the command-line, but you will not be forced to use it. Live CDs are good for getting a look at possibilities, but I would never choose to work from one. Anne -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Monday 21 July 2008 09:50:34 aakash sharma wrote: See, one of the problems with open source is . THERE'S NO SUPPORT: The not-so-good news is that there's no single source of information. A simple question may result in multiple, conflicting answers with no authoritative source. ... So, when you get tons of help but leading to different ways you get confused and even sometimes you think why are you asking the question. I am not a complete window user. I wanna leave it. I just need help of you guys. I actually got what to do with my System. This is for all newbies who want to switch to linux like me. It's really good that you guys are helping. One of the things that newbies find disconcerting is that there are no hard answers in Linux. There are always many ways to achieve what you want. Sometimes you can evaluate what people are telling you and decide which is going to be best for you. Sometimes the only way is to try it and see. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Problem with crontab joblog
Are you sure the cronjobs are producing output? If there is no output, no email is going to be sent. Sorry for being late to replying to your post... Yes, the script i run produce output. As I describe my problem before, mail are sent when I cronjob are run with root but not with another standard user. I check some other things today. * path to the file in crontab * ACL on file (760) * crond logs in /var/log (seems to correctly run the script, and no errors reported) * results of the script I run (it works) * I set MAILTO var in user crontab to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and no entry are written in /var/log/maillog about this recipient address. In crond manual there was an option to set debug flag i set it up and i wait for the result maybe, it will show something... I'll tell you. In case someone as an idea, contact me :D -- Guillaume -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
aakash sharma wrote: I said, I want to switch to Linux as I am fed up of the Window Crashes and bore graphics Everything else you said sounds sensible, but in my experience neither Windows XP nor Fedora 9 crash very often. The difference from my perspective is that if Fedora crashes I am reasonably confident I can get it working again, while if Windows crashes I always have a niggling feeling that something dreadful might have occurred and I will never be able to get it working again. Sadly, I don't agree with you about graphics. Windows XP graphics and multimedia generally is much more reliable than the Fedora counterpart. Hopefully Fedora will gradually improve. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
[OT] Using DNSBL for mail server and clamav to search windows machines
Hello, I want to use dnsbl to reduce accepting spams. I searched and have zeroed on to SORBS but was thinking of a second opinion of is there a better one which is free to use for my small office. Also I was thinking of using clamav to check windows machines but I could not find any way except that the sharing is switch on for the whole machine ( for a particular IP ) and searched for virus etc from Linux machine. There are a few windows machine which run some proprietary software which are crucial. It's OT since not related to fedora. If you feel OK then please help me out. Thanks Regards! -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
aakash sharma: THERE'S NO SUPPORT: Tim: Wrong, wrong, wrong! Robert P. J. Day: there is, of course, the irony of his making this claim on a fedora support mailing list. ;-) It's at this point where I refer to my other message where I said something about users who claim that nobody helps them... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance
Rex Dieter wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: But I still find the menu arrangement rather puzzling. Why do I find Paired Bluetooth Devices under Lost and Found? Why is Terminal under System, while Display is under Administration? It's no mystery, and definitely not rocket-science. Apps' .desktop files include app Categories, and the menu system displays them accordingly. Lost and Found is where apps go that don't adhere to the menu-spec (ie, it's a bug). See also: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ I realize the category is specified in the .desktop file. I looked at the document above, and didn't find it really answered my query. In any case, Fedora does not seem to follow the categories suggested there. In my view, the categories listed in the main Fedora menu are not well-chosen. In my main menu I have (among others) Administration, Utilities, Settings, System and Development. Maybe I am missing some kind of mental discrimination, but I have no idea which of these categories a given application will fall into. By contrast, I very rarely have this problem with the Windows XP Control Center, which seems to me much better thought out. I do agree, though, that the search facility in the Fedora 9 KDE menu is a very good innovation. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Can't get Linksys Wireless WUB54G working
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim wrote: Fedora 8 i386 2.6.25.10-47.fc8 Linksys WUSB54G wireless 1915:2234 Prism chipset. This WUSB54G worked on another FC8 box but I can't get it to work on this FC8 box, I Installed ndiswrapper and installed the WUSB54G.INF on Windows CD and I blacklisted p54usb and p54common that was loading after bootup. In Adminstration Network a prism54 - Wireless - wlan0 - configured shows up, but I can't activate it If I try to probe MAC address it comes up with a No such device I found that ndiswrapper wasn't loading, did a /sbin/modprobe ndiswrapper and got this in /var/log/messages, any ideals ? Also got this message and computer locked up: Listening on device /dev/pts/1 Message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] host , Kernel: disabling IRQ#19 It should work out of the box. You should not need ndiswrapper for it, I guess. I have one of those, but never tried it on Linux. http://www.rawspinach.org/2007/12/03/fedora-linux-fc8-on-my-new-laptop-the-wireless-saga/ http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=8t=4447 -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
I'll just comment on a few bits of your post. Others will chip in on the bits that they can. aakash sharma: 3. Use a WebServer like Apache You can do that with your PC, no problems. Even less powered PCs. 4. Listen to music files like mp3 and play videos of various formats Music should be easy enough, I found XMMS to be better than others for low spec machines. Video's another thing, the abilities of your graphic card will help a lot. 5. Browse internet. I have a WiFi USB adapter. It's RT73 USB Wireless LAN card. I need to use this. Browsing the net might be painful, or quite okay. Your graphic card will play a role in how well, or slow, it draws pages. But you might want to try something else instead of Firefox, it's a bit greedy for resources, in itself. 6. Some office editing. OpenOffice.org might be a bit too demanding on your system. If you find it's too slow to cope with, you could try Abiword. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: What is the point of the NM keyring?
Tim wrote: I'm not sure why you'd object to it. Do you also refuse to let programs store passwords? Do you type in your ISP access password each time you connect to the internet? Do you type in your POP/IMAP password each time you read your email? Do you type in your IM passwords each time you start up pidgin/aim/skype/whatever...? OK, you have convinced me. I will never say a rude word about KDE wallet again. But I still find NM's request for a password very annoying. WiFi is my link to the Real World, and I just want it to start up when I log in. Actually I have Fedora set up to log me in automatically without password. I do not suffer from the paranoia that seems endemic among IT gurus. In my view the probability of any of my neighbours listening in is negligible, and I have much more important things to worry about, like my cholesterol level and global warming. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Network Icon
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 12:22 +0200, Oliver Sampson wrote: I wanted to change my network card from DHCP to a static IP on my Fedora 9 box. So I did. The network icon (in Gnome) then shows up with an [x] saying the connection is broken. I then changed the DHCP server so that the systme would return a static IP address when queried, yet the network icon still shows up with an [x], despite the fact that the network still works. Decide on which method you want to assign static IPs, here's two simplified explanations: a. Set your client to have a fixed IP, and pay no attention to a DHCP server on the network. b. Set your client to be configured by your DHCP server, and configure the DHCP server to always give the client the same IP. Doing a is easier if you turn off NetworkManager and use just the network service daemon, and you input the network details you want to use into the network configuration. Whereas b just requires setting up the server as you require, the client was already set to work that way. (Find out the MAC for your client's ethernet port, use that in your DHCP server to tie a fixed IP to a particular network interface.) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
Ric Moore wrote: snip Ha! Join the club! i thought i had. blag I'll never catch up! But, that's the good part! if i ever do, i will know something is wrong. best part. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
Tim wrote and aakash sharma wrote: snip The live CD distros which I have used 1. DyneBolic (best distro for me) 2. Ubuntu (took hell lot of time to boot) 3. Gentoo (couldn't start GUI) 4. DSL (not as good as DyneBolic) See guys, the problem with using LiveCD is that I can't save my data and there is no customization. That's not exactly true. You can customise LiveCD systems, and you can save data. all livecds that i have used allow you to save customization and data to a floppy, usb 'whatever', or to a hard drive But it's not exactly easy to do, why not? i have always found it to be in 'main menu', usually in main selection, sometimes as a sub selection and followed by very descriptive windowed procedure. My project needs simple basic structure of linux kernel. which is??? But, as I am a newbie, I can't work on command line linux. That's not necessarily true, either. In some cases, it can be easier to use a command line, as you can cut and paste commands and output, use then work with it. use a graphic desktop, what ever it be and then open up terminals. it is very easy to have one term open for your cl, another open for 'man', even a third watching what is happening with a 'dump', 'tail', 'top', 'tail', or what ever. sure beats having to use 3 or 4 physical terminals as i have done many times in early unix days. and a lot easier on neck and eyes. plus with a desktop, you can use mouse pointer to drag and paste to another terminal. something i could only wish for years ago. all in all, a desktop is graphical, but it can be *very textual*. If you want good advice, personalised to your needs, then you need to provide good information. Otherwise you're going to get advised in the wrong direction, or asked more and more questions until you give the information people need to be able to give you advice. this is something that is going to take time and you will need to be very patient in learning to do, as you will get some 'off color' remarks. above all, perseverance. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Monday 21 July 2008 12:05:50 Marcelo M. Garcia wrote: Hi Or you can install Fedora as usual, and install a more lightweight desktop like, xfce or icewm or windowmaker and change your session at gdm. Also helps if one disable a few services. The only time I tried xfce I found it no better than kde, on that particular setup. There are, as you say, alternatives. I think I'd try icewm first. The problem he will encounter, though, is in recognising which part of the setup will allow him to reject kde and gnome and select icewm as his desktop. Perhaps someone who install more often that I do can advise him on that. I know it's easy for experienced useers, but a newbie needs telling what to look for. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:35:47PM -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: aakash sharma wrote: Hi Anne Thanks for the advice and help I just can't upgrade my RAM at least for 9 months. Then set up a swap partition (or at least a swap file) in order to start swapping. Without it, you are just going to crash when you run out of memory. You should be able to use a live CD to do this if you can't do it during the installation process. All i need to do is a project on Linux. That's why I want to install Fedora. My project doesn't require latest features of FEDORA 9. So, can u tell me which version of Fedora will work somewhat smooth like XP on my system. FC1, FC2, FC3, etc Some system which I would not recommend you run because they probably have very many unpatched security holes, but are much easier on the memory footprint. Maybe a version of DSL Linux (Damn Small Linux), but you'd have to know what you need installed after that. Try a *very* minimal install at first, installing the least necessary to get a running system. You can always install what you need later, after you get the system up and running. Regarding partitioning, should a keep a logical NTFS partition before installing or should I first make a primary linux ext3 partition out of it. Linux is much happier running on a *nix type filesystem, and NTFS is not it. ext3 or another *nix style fs should do you just fine. Please help me regarding partitioning and choosing suitable linux edition. Partitioning should include some space for swap. I'd put in 2-3 times your ram. Do you want it to run (albeit slowly when it has to swap), or would you rather it crash when you run out of memory. That's the choice you have to make. Regards Aakash Good Luck! Installing from the live cd is much faster, smaller and easier. Just create partitions before doing that. Since this is just a project, maybe this will suffice your needs. HTH -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: What is the point of the NM keyring?
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 13:47 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: But I still find NM's request for a password very annoying. WiFi is my link to the Real World, and I just want it to start up when I log in. Actually I have Fedora set up to log me in automatically without password. That may be your problem. Logically speaking, there should be at least one password to protect it. Whether that be you logging into your desktop, or you typing in the keyring password after an auto-login. I have seen others write about getting their system so they didn't have to type in a keyring password, but I don't recall whether any of them had a password-less desktop log-in, as well. I do not suffer from the paranoia that seems endemic among IT gurus. No house guests? No smart-alec friends who'll set your desktop wallpaper to show naked hairy guys? Heck, even I'd be tempted to prank some friends, if I could find a funny picture that I wouldn't get a punch in the face for it. And I did pay out Mum with various animal noise sound effects on her Windows PC. I actually had to undo the hairy guy example on someone's Windows PC, a few years back. Every time he booted, these two guys flashed up for a moment, then disappeared to be replaced by *his* choice of wallpaper. He didn't know about the difference between active desktop wallpaper, and wallpaper without active desktop. He couldn't work out how to remove the unwanted picture, he thought choosing his own picture would fix it. But one goes on top of the other, his choice was applied to the active desktop, which starts a few moments later, on top of the plain desktop. Naturally, seeing as I had an audience of two more people, and several reboots would be needed to sort out his system, I left that little gem as the last thing to repair. Methinks he'll be very careful about right-click save-as-wallpaper in his web browser in the future. ;-) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
g: all livecds that i have used allow you to save customization and data to a floppy, usb 'whatever', or to a hard drive Tim: But it's not exactly easy to do, why not? It's going to depend on various things. The live CDs I've tried in the past didn't let me save customisations, I've had some where downloading anything to be installed failed. And you've got two ways of saving anything with a live disc: There's multisession discs with some spare space still left on them, which will have some limits. Or using a second drive - you mightn't have one, or a spare port to connect one (one of my systems was like that). Not impossible, but not without some obstacles, in some situations. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: AMD64 and Scanners
Oliver Sampson wrote: Howdy, I've just upgraded my Linux system from the motherboard up, congratulations. and there are just a couple of hic-coughs left to clear up before everthing gets to be hunky-dory. so now it is time to 'pat it on back a little harder'. There seems to be a problem with the Avasys drivers and the 64 bit architecture. problem being? I'd like to be able to use my scanner, an Epson Perfection V10, (which worked wonderfully with FC6 on my i386 system). Is there a way to do this? which is serial, parallel, usb? yes there usually is a way. what have you done so far? 'man sane', 'man xsane'? is scanner being recognized? have you check 'sane' and 'xsane' sites? i need to go offline for a couple hours. i am actually trying to get you to 'pat harder' so others can help you get 'burp' you need. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 and VMWare Server
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:36 AM, Claude Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun July 20 2008, Alex Katebi wrote: http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/ Install the vmware tools first. Then go to the above web site and download install the open-vm-tools. Let me know if you have any peoblems. I have installed two Fedora 9 vmware tools this way. Forget the any any stuff you don't need that. I found that website, but, it wasn't so self-evident. How does one 'install the vmware tools first' as you state? I normally open a vm after I've got vmware server running, and it boots up and gives me a message about needing to install or update vmware tools, and that's when I install vmware tools. How are you doing that first - or better, I should ask, what do you mean by first? First before what? Before installing the vmware package? Before booting your guest Fedora make sure that your vmware cd drive is not pointing to an iso image. After booting install the vmeare tools as you said. Then untar unzip the vmeare tools. Are you simply installing the open-vm-tools from the tarball? yes What advantage are you gaining by doing things that way? My vm's run just fine the way I'm doing it now - what improvement should I expect by learning the method you suggest? I thought that you were encountering errors by running the vmware tools alone. I was trying to help you to install vmware tools without errors. -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 and VMWare Server
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 00:36 -0400, Claude Jones wrote: On Sun July 20 2008, Alex Katebi wrote: http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/ Install the vmware tools first. Then go to the above web site and download install the open-vm-tools. Let me know if you have any peoblems. I have installed two Fedora 9 vmware tools this way. Forget the any any stuff you don't need that. I found that website, but, it wasn't so self-evident. How does one 'install the vmware tools first' as you state? I normally open a vm after I've got vmware server running, and it boots up and gives me a message about needing to install or update vmware tools, and that's when I install vmware tools. How are you doing that first - or better, I should ask, what do you mean by first? First before what? Before installing the vmware package? Are you simply installing the open-vm-tools from the tarball? What advantage are you gaining by doing things that way? My vm's run just fine the way I'm doing it now - what improvement should I expect by learning the method you suggest? In reality, you will learn very little. I don't understand why this is, but a lot of folks seem to confuse running a F9 Virtual Machine in an existing VMware Server setup with installing and running VMware Server itself on F9 so that you can then run *other* VMs. There's nothing that the OpenSource VMware tools is going to do for you if you're trying to do the second as opposed to the first. VMware Server 1.0.6 with the latest vmware-any-any patch is known to work on F9. VMware Server 2.0 RC1 has major issues on F9 - as yet, I have only heard of one person on the VMware community forums claiming to having it running, and that person has so far refused to share how he did it. That leads me to think he's more likely a troll than someone who's actually made it happen. Again, if there is anyone who has figured out the appropriate magic incantation for getting VMware Server 2.0 RC1 up and running on F9, lots of us here would like to know about it. Do share - I'm certain people will reply with their thanks. Cheers, Chris -- == By all means marry; If you get a good wife, you'll be happy. If you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. --Socrates -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance
Timothy Murphy wrote: Rex Dieter wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: But I still find the menu arrangement rather puzzling. Why do I find Paired Bluetooth Devices under Lost and Found? Why is Terminal under System, while Display is under Administration? It's no mystery, and definitely not rocket-science. Apps' .desktop files include app Categories, and the menu system displays them accordingly. Lost and Found is where apps go that don't adhere to the menu-spec (ie, it's a bug). See also: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ I realize the category is specified in the .desktop file. I looked at the document above, and didn't find it really answered my query. In any case, Fedora does not seem to follow the categories suggested there. Keep in mind: Categories != menu labels or menu organization. And when you say Fedora does not seem... keep in mind that these are also generally DE specific, so Gnome, KDE, XFCE, (others) implement this in different ways. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Depending on whether you're guided by FS or OSS values, you'll tend to consistently choose one in detriment of the other. Yes, that is unfortunate, but you have to live with it to promote FOSS. This is fundamentally contradictory. If you have to choose between these two, you're choosing between promoting either FS or OSS. It is a problem the GPL creates. I.e., you're promoting one in detriment of the other. How can that be promoting FOSS? How would you propose dealing with it when your purpose is to promote FOSS and as many choices as possible, then? Or, in a more fundamental level, how would it even make sense to say promoting something, where something is defined by means of conflicting goals? I guess it's worth giving a concrete example, to save a round-trip delay. The FS movement cares about software freedom, so an essential part of this movement is to not accept, endorse or promote software that denies users any of the 4 essential freedoms, even if this means inconvenience for or even a delay in the liberation of some users. I believe they are misguided in applying restrictions that make it impossible to use GPL code in many situations. Still, there are some where it works, so in those cases it is still FOSS and a reasonable choice. The OSS movement cares about popularity and convenience, so an esential part of this movement is to accept, endorse and promote the use of software that denies users their freedoms, when that is convenient and can lure in more users. 'Luring' someone is a strange concept here. You seem to imply that someone who has a choice to use a piece of software does not have the same choice to replace it with another piece later. That's not the case and even if it were, the correct solution would be to encourage the production of as many other choices as possible. People always have the freedom to choose and change. Do you see the conflict in these two positions? Not really - except that the restrictions are harmful in terms of reducing subsequent choices. Do you see that a step forward for one amounts to a step backward in the other? Not at all. The more choices you have the better. You can only go forward. How, then, could it possibly make sense to even talk about promoting FOSS? Because it makes it easy to move forward with many choices and never be locked into any of them. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
Les Mikesell wrote: Not at all. The more choices you have the better. You can only go forward. I keep telling my wife that But she doesn't buy it. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Mamoru Tasaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is Kdict? I have tried # yum search kdict [...] Warning: No matches found for: kdict No Matches found # Any ideas? Try # yum whatprovides \*kdict Thanks, Mamoru (and John), but nothing relevant is returned with the above command. It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 02:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Kevin J. Cummings wrote: In general, if you don't know what you are doing then maybe Linux isn't for you? Oh please. Can you avoid that elitist attitude? There are new comers to Linux and Fedora all the time and not all of them are experts. These are valuable users to the community and we don't need to drive them away with statements like these. None of us were born with any of this knowledge anyway. Remember, you were a newbie too when you got started. Hear, hear! Sorry guys, I was just trying to get him to make a decision on his own instead of asking for a handout. I told him to create some swap space and try again. I don't think he has. I don't think you need to say sorry for what amounts to asking someone to make their own decision. I encourage everyone to jump in but its better if they have their eyes open, people that jump with their eyes squeezed shut never land right. -- Fortune favors the BOLD -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Firefox update problem
Hello! I'm also stuck in this and get a lot of new dependency problems for i386 on my X86_64 FC9. I don't understand if I suddenly need all these i386 packages now or if that is what's broken? I do remember having to install some i386 to get flash going. Is this going to be fixed or do I need to reinstall firefox and start over? Best, Micko = Package Arch Version RepositorySize = Updating: devhelp x86_64 0.19.1-3.fc9 updates 227 k firefox x86_64 3.0.1-1.fc9 updates 9.3 M xulrunner x86_64 1.9.0.1-1.fc9updates 8.7 M xulrunner-devel x86_64 1.9.0.1-1.fc9updates 3.4 M yelpx86_64 2.22.1-4.fc9 updates 876 k Installing for dependencies: GConf2 i386 2.22.0-1.fc9 fedora1.6 M ORBit2 i386 2.14.12-3.fc9fedora183 k avahi i386 0.6.22-10.fc9fedora245 k avahi-glib i386 0.6.22-10.fc9fedora 17 k bzip2-libs i386 1.0.5-2.fc9 updates38 k dbus-glib i386 0.74-8.fc9 updates 165 k gnome-vfs2 i386 2.22.0-1.fc9 fedora1.1 M hal-libsi386 0.5.11-2.fc9 updates65 k libIDL i386 0.8.10-2.fc9 fedora 88 k libacl i386 2.2.47-1.fc9 fedora 22 k libattr i386 2.4.41-1.fc9 fedora 13 k libbonobo i386 2.22.0-2.fc9 fedora475 k libdaemon i386 0.12-3.fc9 fedora 26 k libgnomei386 2.22.0-3.fc9 fedora977 k xulrunner i386 1.9-0.60.beta5.fc9 fedora8.9 M Transaction Summary = Install 15 Package(s) Update 5 Package(s) Remove 0 Package(s) Transaction Check Error: package xulrunner-1.9-1.fc9.x86_64 (which is newer than xulrunner-1.9-0.60.beta5.fc9.i386) is already installed Error Summary - -- This is an email sent via The Fedora Community Portal https://fcp.surfsite.org https://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=278434topic_id=59478forum=10#forumpost278434 If you think, this is spam, please report this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and/or blame [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
aakash sharma wrote: The live CD distros which I have used 1. DyneBolic (best distro for me) 2. Ubuntu (took hell lot of time to boot) 3. Gentoo (couldn't start GUI) 4. DSL (not as good as DyneBolic) See guys, the problem with using LiveCD is that I can't save my data and there is no customization. Every time I boot using LiveCD i need to run a series of jobs for customization. Plus, my drive becomes busy and launching applications takes time. I know there are more than 300 different linux distros out there, I just need to get one. My project needs simple basic structure of linux kernel. It doesn't require GNOME or KDE. But, as I am a newbie, I can't work on command line linux. So, please advice. Regards Aakash Getting rid of the defeatist attitude would be a good first step. I can't shouldn't be in your vocabulary. It does take time to get rid of it thoughmaybe we should stop teaching that in schools... -- Fortune favors the BOLD -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Current Respin for F9, or how to build updated F9 live dvd on an F7 system?
just to let you know... Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip Yes. See also http://noscript.net/ trying to get my 'round2it' to roll that far. I have it enabled by default, and selectively allow scripts on trusted pages. You can also allow scripts temporarily i.e. only for the current session. Well worth having IMHO. will get back on this when i do. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
Björn Persson wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: For other discussions, being more specific will actually make the discussion harder. I don't see how using terms that are too generic would make discussing easier. If you mean using terms that are more specific than intended, then that's of course not optimal. It may of course be that some people find it harder to use the appropriate terminology because they then have to actually think about what they mean, but once they do that I'm sure they'll find that the discussion works much better. What I was thinking of is a discussion of things that apply to all Linux distributions, where using a specific distribution gives the impression that what you are talking about is distribution specific. This is especially true when the discussion is between users of two different distributions. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Paul Smith wrote: snip It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? you have something wrong some where. i tried it to see what would happen and it did work. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
g wrote: Paul Smith wrote: snip It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? you have something wrong some where. i tried it to see what would happen and it did work. after thought. not sure if i used '\*kdict' or '*kdict'. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:20 PM, g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? you have something wrong some where. i tried it to see what would happen and it did work. Then, please tell me which package contains kdict. Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: that old GNU/Linux argument
Tim wrote: The majority will understand Linux as being an OS, the whole thing, one of the many OS distros that are similar to each other (*), but not understand it as referring to just the kernel. And then you'll hear arguments like You think Windows is bloated? Linux is *much* worse! Look, Debian is twenty-one CDs! Thirteen gigabytes! My, what a horribly bloated OS!. They think the whole thing is the OS, and so they compare the Windows OS to the Linux OS, not understanding that Debian is a huge collection of programs more comparable to Windows plus Office plus Visual Studio plus MS SQL Server plus Photoshop plus lots and lots of other third-party programs, and that nobody will ever install all those 13 GB of Debian packages. That's a misunderstanding, and they'll continue misunderstanding until you explain to them that the distribution contains much more than an operating system – or that you only need a small part of the operating system to operate the system, or however you choose to say it. There's no lack of understanding when one person says to another that they use Linux. They mean they use an OS which has Linux at it's heart. Let's see how much that statement really tells the other person. If someone says he's using Linux, he's most likely using the kernel Linux and the GNU core utilities. Someone who talks that way probably also uses a GUI, so we can assume X, but we can't tell whether he's using Gnome or KDE. We also don't know if he has Apache or BIND running, or some database or other server. We can't even tell whether packages are managed by RPM, DPKG or Emerge. So the meaning that the word Linux conveys in this case is pretty much Linux, GNU and X, right? Björn Persson -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OCR in Fedora?
Valent Turkovic wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anybody do OCR using software available in Fedora? Which ones do you use? How do you use them? I saw an article about OCRopus [1] and how great app it is but there is no ocropus in fedora currently. [1] http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071024-hands-on-with-googles-ocropus-open-source-scanning-software.html I use gocr-0.45-2.fc9.i386 I think it comes from the fedora repo. Tesseract is better: yum install tesseract Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Hi Joachim and Paul, do gocr and tesseract have GUIs? How are you using them? Do you get formated text or just plain text file? Do gocr and tesseract recognise colums? Is it possible to get formated OpenOffice Writer document that matches the original scanned page? I read the article I posed the link to about OCRopus and it seams that uses tesseract but it somehow improved. Cheers, Valent. Hi Valent, gocr is ia simple CLI which reads from a file containing text as graphics and writes only plain text to stdout. It has no features such as the WIN$ ocr tools. -- Joachim Backes [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Paul Smith wrote: snip Then, please tell me which package contains kdict. wish i could. i did not save output. will try it again and save output this time. [will be in about an hour before i can get to it] as i said in 'after thought', maybe you should try without '\'. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
Alexandre Oliva wrote:
Please show how something can
include any GPL-covered work, yet be distributed under different
terms if you insist on claiming that.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I don't have to show anything like that.
You don't, but why make such a claim when you obviously can't back it up?
I think you're pasting each other. The question is just not related
with the sub-topic at hand, and it's ambiguous.
Yes, it's a game of semantics. This part of the conversation started
with someone claiming that some other licenses are 'compatible' with the
GPL and my counterclaim that within the 'work-as-a-whole', no terms
other than the GPL can apply.
What do you mean by include?
I mean as a part of what the GPL calls a work as a whole, where some
part of that work is already covered by the GPL.
Now, what you're asking is about modules that are not derived works.
There's no reason to assume a module needs to include (in either
sense) GPLed code. This doens't mean it's easy, practical or even
legally bullet-proof, but it's on this kind of argument that non-GPLed
modules for Linux are justified.
Yes, that's really a separate issue, related to how modules operate.
Now, I'd rather not go into further details, because I don't feel like
offering a recipe on how to work around the spirit of the GPL,
especially because I don't entirely believe it would actually work if
ever disputed in a court of law.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing
Those are licenses that can be usurped by the GPL requirements.
Err... Did you notice how many of those licenses have a NO in the
GPLv{2,3} compat columns?
Are you by any chance confusing FSF Free (= respects the 4 freedoms)
with GPL compatible (= grants the permissions the GPL grants without
establishing any further requirements)?
I'm talking about within a work-as-a-whole, which is the only place
where there is any concept of compatibility. Some licenses do allow
their own terms to be replaced by the GPL, but it's a one way trip and
that copy of such code no longer has its original license terms.
The GPL must apply to the work-as-a-whole.
But do you have any reason to assume that a module can't be a work on
its own?
On the contrary, Linus clearly stated that a module was not necessarily
a derived work simply because it is loaded by the kernel and uses the
services of the kernel. I'll include a link again in case anyone wants
to read what Linus actually wrote in 1995 instead of Rahul's
mischaracterizations of it
http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.misc.discuss/msg/d5af1cc0012c3bec
And the FSF legal counsel said it was not a derivative work. See top of
page 16 here: http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/asay-paper.pdf
Some people seem to think the story has changed recently, but I'd prefer
to believe that the statements made back then (when Linux badly needed
more driver support) were not lies.
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Re: Current Respin for F9, or how to build updated F9 live dvd on an F7 system?
Bruno Wolff III wrote, On 07/19/2008 03:48 PM: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:59:57 -0400, Todd Denniston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course the alternative would include having a USB hard drive with a mirror of fedora/linux/updates/9/arch on it, but that means you still have to install the old package and then wait while the system figures out how to update to the new package. I believe that when you tell anaconda to use an additional repository it doesn't install packages with updates twice. The extra time needed for installing base+updates over base should be pretty small. IIRC the last time I installed F8, which was months ago, and it asked about additional repositories, it would not accept /somepath or file:///somepath, nor even an nfs server to mount from. Probably has something to do with Jeremy Katz's _marginally_ founded fear of and experience with incomplete repositories on local hard disks[1], but then you know about that[2]. Or are you indicating you _have_ gotten anaconda to use an additional repository that was on a local hard drive or NFS? [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=435976#c2 [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=435976#c5 -- Todd Denniston Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Monday 21 July 2008 15:21, Paul Smith wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:20 PM, g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? you have something wrong some where. i tried it to see what would happen and it did work. Then, please tell me which package contains kdict. Paul kdenetwork for KDE 3.5 Nigel. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
32 bit Java app on 64 bit Linux
Hi, I'm trying to run Zend Studio (32 bit) on fedora 9 x84_64, but am coming across a problem with network access. Specifically, when Zend starts up it can perform an update check, but this fails almost immediately with a useless message (the server could not be contacted). I suspect that I need a 64-32 bit compatibility library to enable network access. Interestingly (annoyingly), a similar issue occurs when replacing the 64 bit version of firefox with the 32 bit version. So I think this is less of a Java issue... Could anybody point me in the right direction please? Thanks, Steve -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Paul Smith wrote, at 07/21/2008 09:58 PM +9:00: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Mamoru Tasaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is Kdict? I have tried # yum search kdict [...] Warning: No matches found for: kdict No Matches found # Any ideas? Try # yum whatprovides \*kdict Thanks, Mamoru (and John), but nothing relevant is returned with the above command. # means you have to do this as root Mamoru -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: 32 bit Java app on 64 bit Linux
* Steve Dowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-07-21 10:03]: I'm trying to run Zend Studio (32 bit) on fedora 9 x84_64, but am coming across a problem with network access. Specifically, when Zend starts up it can perform an update check, but this fails almost immediately with a useless message (the server could not be contacted). Are you running the 32-bit JRE? Check the output of the following: $ which java $ readlink -f `which java` # alternatives --config java Andrew -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Problems ejecting cd/dvd media on F9
Hi, On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 16:04, g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Smith wrote: snip It happens either if manually eject the media (directly on the cd-rom drive) or if I right click the drive icon and choose eject. That is a bug, Andre. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451320 this is for a software bug. note word 'manually' in above quote. I must say Paul was right: I rebooted yesterday to Windows XP (it's a dual-boot system) and cd-rom drive worked as it should. It's a software issue indeed, probably bug #451320. Well, I hope it get fixed soon, as it is my cd-rom is almost useless on Linux =( Thks to all that replied. Regards, Andre -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 and VMWare Server
On Mon July 21 2008, Alex Katebi wrote: What advantage are you gaining by doing things that way? My vm's run just fine the way I'm doing it now - what improvement should I expect by learning the method you suggest? I thought that you were encountering errors by running the vmware tools alone. I was trying to help you to install vmware tools without errors. no, I am seeking information - you made some rather cryptic statements and I was trying to learn something - I'm afraid I'm still not understanding you - I am not the original poster, and I'm having no problems running vmware-server on top of Fedora 9, which is what I believe the original poster was asking about *to be clear, I'm running vmware-server, the latest version, installed from the rpm on the vmware site, on my F9 box *after running the new version as an update to my working vmware installation yesterday, I then ran the any-any 117 patch, which built a new module for my vmware version and running kernel *I then started up a WinXP vm and it produced a message telling me my vmware tools were out of date *I then installed the vmware tools without incident, and my WinXP vm is now running perfectly on top of Fedora9 I still don't understand exactly what it is you're doing. For example, you stated: Before booting your guest Fedora make sure that your vmware cd drive is not pointing to an iso image. After booting install the vmeare tools as you said. Then untar unzip the vmeare tools. First, I'm not booting a guest Fedora - I'm running mostly Windows VM's on top of Fedora 9. Secondly, after installing vmware tools as I've said, my virtual machine runs perfectly; but, you then state that I should untar unzip the vmware tools! OK - let's assume that's a typo, and you meant to say, I should untar unzip the open-vm-tools...If that is correct, what exactly shall I gain from all this? -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
