Re: [Felvtalk] Important - please read, be aware and pass it on!
I cooked for Mai Mai and Dixie using a similar system. However, I froze the food in muffin pans, popped them out and bagged them. This gave me a day's meals or a serving at a time. I watch the chickens as they get near the sale by date. Frequently stores will mark them down dramatically a day or two before they have to throw them out. I have been able to get whole fryers at 49 cents a pound and chicken breasts at 79 cents a pound. The fryers produce lots of broth that I freeze in the lollipops for Mom's ferals. Nothing is wasted and all I have to do is put the chicken in a slow cooker. Being vegetarian, I prefer to cook a lot at once. My cats prefer the chicken in pieces though. The same could be done with beef or pork. I have added chopped raw veggies (the ones that are high in vitamin C) to the mixture. I am blessed with a freezer so I can pick up chicken in quantity when I find a good buy. On Apr 22, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Belinda Sauro wrote: I used to cook for Fred, I would cook chicken legs and thighs, mostly thighs you get more meat for you money. Just cook, debone, blend it in the blender to the consistency your cats like, mine like it very blended, creamy like. I add an egg or two depending on how much I am making and I add oatmeal or rice, usually oatmeal. Then after I debone and blend the cooked oatmeal and egg together with the chicken, I add the supplements. Taurine, bonemeal, a mutivitamin, a little calcium, salmon oil and the supplements Fred needs for his CRF and mix it really well to get it all mixed in. Forgot I use the chicken broth to blend to the consistency I want. Then I ladle into freezer safe quart size canning jars and freeze them to use as needed. Fred did well on it and put on all the weight he lost because of his CRF and some. He got bored with it after several months though and now eats baby food with added supplements. His weight is good and he is doing well on that. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Important - please read, be aware and pass it on!
Thanks, Belinda!! I forwarded it on to everyong I know who has pets. Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:49:35 -0700 From: ma...@bemikitties.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Important - please read, be aware and pass it on! * Here we go again:* The Food and Drug Administration is looking into a series of pet deaths and illnesses, possibly connected with Nutro Foods. Nutro Foods makes both dog and cat foods sold under brand names Nutro Max, Nutro Natural Choice and Nutro Max Cat. The company has set up a hot line for consumers to call with their concerns -- 800-833-5330. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30331337/ I'm getting really leery of the good foods!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan questions
I found a really informative paper on LTCI, written by a vet that has been using it.? I'll have to look it up again to give you the url The treatment is pretty expensive, as many said - the 3 dose pack is about $200.? Recommended dosage is once a week for a month, then every 2 weeks for 2 months, then every 4-6 weeks I believe. It's available from Webster and Butler supply houses that I know of.? Would like to know if anyone tries it - it was too late coming for my Spats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Immulin
I've been using Imulan for Taz for a while. I started her on it when she was about 6 months old (when I found her). She was very symptomatic whici is why I took her into the vet. They tested her and she was positive. She had a temp of 105, wouldn't eat and very lethargic. I took her home and fed her everything stinky I could think of and started her on Clavamox. She responded a bit and then I had to go out of town. My vet had researched the Imulan and I had her buy a 3 pack. she tried it in Tax while I was out of town. I was so afraid she was going to die while I was gone but when I got back she had pretty well bounced back to her original goofy self. I kept giving the Imulan once a week for 6 weeks because her blood count was only creeping up and had a couple of little set backs. She has continued to do well and I've started her on every other week shots. So far every other week for 4 shots. She still continous to improve and has been in the normal range. However, she has been through 2 heat cycles which the vet says can stress them enough to lower their blood counts. So I just had her spayed. Interesting note, she said that with female ferrets that too many heat cycles without pregnanacy can cause it to actually get so weak it can die. I'm hoping her blood levels get back up to normal and I can then go to once a month shots. It's expensive but this little cat has been dealt a crappy hand. First she was almost eaten up by pitt bulls, then threatened with death at an animal shelter I took her to so I took her back, and then this disease. So I have a vested interest in keeping her healthy. She is the best when it comes to taking her daily meds, Pet-tinic, DMG and Myco-Immune. She'll just open her mouth and take it. So if your pocket book can handle it, I would recommend it and try it. Good luck. Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Charlotte is going back to the vet tommorrow
Charlotte has an appointment to see Dr. Ray again tomorrow. Her IFA test did come back positive - so Dr. Ray is not optimistic about the long-term outcome, especially since she's so young. But we'll see. He mentioned trying Epogen - anyone have any success with that? Overall, though, she is doing GREAT! I've been bringing her to work with me (I work at an animal shelter so it's OK with my boss), and yesterday seemed to be a real turning point. She ate almost an entire can of Fancy Feast, plus some chicken and chicken livers that I cooked for her, and I had to feed her more later and even more this morning. I can feel the weight coming back on; she's not as bony as she was a week ago. One of my co-workers - just like my mom - said, Just put her down. But she goes up to everybody (and she doesn't know these people) and cries until they pick her up and put her on their laps. So euthanizing her when she's clearly trying so hard and eating so well is not an option. I'll let you all know what happens tomorrow. Thanks everyone for being so supportive. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charlotte is going back to the vet tommorrow
I'm certainly not a vet, so maybe this is overkill, but I'm very cautious about carrying disease/germs etc. when I come back from the shelter (I volunteer there) I am afraid, not that I'll infect anyone there, but that my FeLV+ boy will pick up some germ from there. So I don't take him there and I literally take off my shoes at the door of my house, and immediately go to the bathroom and take off all my clothes and take a shower when I come in the door just in case I have anything on me that he might get. I then spray down my shoes with lysol before I bring them in. I put the clothes in the hamper and wash them before I wear them again. I'm a regular volunteer. I may be carrying it too far but i am scared that I'll bring something home to either the cat or the dog who has chronic erlichiosis. Sidney ** Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219799634x1201361008/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad .doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214133440%3B36002254%3Bj) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] I'm new here...
This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charlotte is going back to the vet tommorrow
All 15 of my cats came from there, including Charlotte! So if I'm going to bring anything home I've probably done it already...and we've had outbreaks of parvo and both feline and canine distemper at work with no problems back at home. I do take off my shoes before coming into the house and I get a shower as soon as I get home. I'm really paranoid, too, but I'm careful. Charlotte doesn't go into the back, she just stays in the front office. Laura ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...
Judy, Sorry to hear about your Wilson's test results. You will receive much good advise from the members here. I am an Animal Scientist/Animal Nutritionist from Ohio State University. Feel free to call me at 740-992-5782. I have had much success with FELV+ kitties and can speak with you personally and fill you in on what I have found to be the best protocol / support / treatment options. (This offer also goes to anyone on the list that would like some help. For those wondering about the Immulan, I have one client using it with additional treatments with success. Did not have the luck she had hoped for with it alone.) Looking forward to speaking with you. The best time to reach me is after 9 pm EST. Karen Griffith - Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] I'm new here... This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...
Welcome! Glad you are here and sorry for reason. But, it isn't a death sentence! My FeLv+ cats, Squeaky and Stripes lived to ages 22 and 16. Re Wilson, it is really important to get him eating asap. Cats, unlike humans, cannot go long without eating their normal amount of food. They risk liver failure after 24-48 hours of not eating their normal amount of food. When this happen, they don't want to eat. Please consider also joining Feline Assisted Feeding for information about food needs and feeding options. For my anorexic cats, vets have suggested canned Fancy Feast, canned Friskies and chicken baby food (without garlic). A friend with a sanctuary recommends Whiskas in packets with cheese. Weruva canned Paw Lickin chicken, Solid Gold canned tuna and canned Petguard Turkey and Barley Lite, human salmon, human canned mackerel and cooked tilapia have been irresistible for my cats. They also like Wellness turkey and salmon. Isabella, FeLV+, likes dry EVO and canned Fancy Feast. My FeLV+ cats have not had eating issues but other cats with whom I share my home have. Have you tried baking a chicken thigh (dark meat) or even (gag) Kentucky Fried chicken? Laurie (Iowa) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Judy Eaton Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:57 PM To: Feline leukemia Subject: [Felvtalk] I'm new here... This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...
Hi Judy We all know what a heartbreak a Felv diagnosis is, but as all of us on this list know, there is always hope. Have you tried Nutri-cal? Although I have never used it, I have heard it described as a highly caloric paste that is used to help cats maintain weight and also to stimulate their appetite. I have a 3 year old who was diagnosed when we got her when she was around a year. She was highly symptomatic (URI, swollen glands, chronic diarrhea, stomatitis etc) and it took several months for her to recover, but she has and she is living an (almost) normal and active life. If you can get help with his eating issues, there is always hope that he will recover and begin to feel like a 'normal' kittie. There is always hope and there are people on this list who have cats who are living far beyond statistics. Hoping Wilson Combat can recover. Jane On Apr 23, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Judy Eaton wrote: This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...
Hi Karen I would be interested ( as would everyone on this list) in knowing about the success you have had in treating Felv. Are you representing or connected in anyway with Immulan ? Thanks Jane On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Karen Griffith wrote: Judy, Sorry to hear about your Wilson's test results. You will receive much good advise from the members here. I am an Animal Scientist/ Animal Nutritionist from Ohio State University. Feel free to call me at 740-992-5782. I have had much success with FELV+ kitties and can speak with you personally and fill you in on what I have found to be the best protocol / support / treatment options. (This offer also goes to anyone on the list that would like some help. For those wondering about the Immulan, I have one client using it with additional treatments with success. Did not have the luck she had hoped for with it alone.) Looking forward to speaking with you. The best time to reach me is after 9 pm EST. Karen Griffith - Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] I'm new here... This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...
Dear all Just been reading the most recent postswhere Imulan is mentioned, is it shorthand for LCTI ---Imulan's product? I just want to be clear -- I only just heard of this product. Thanks, Kerry On 23/04/2009, at 5:55 PM, Jane Lyons wrote: Hi Karen I would be interested ( as would everyone on this list) in knowing about the success you have had in treating Felv. Are you representing or connected in anyway with Immulan ? Thanks Jane On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Karen Griffith wrote: Judy, Sorry to hear about your Wilson's test results. You will receive much good advise from the members here. I am an Animal Scientist/ Animal Nutritionist from Ohio State University. Feel free to call me at 740-992-5782. I have had much success with FELV+ kitties and can speak with you personally and fill you in on what I have found to be the best protocol / support / treatment options. (This offer also goes to anyone on the list that would like some help. For those wondering about the Immulan, I have one client using it with additional treatments with success. Did not have the luck she had hoped for with it alone.) Looking forward to speaking with you. The best time to reach me is after 9 pm EST. Karen Griffith - Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] I'm new here... This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan questions
would like to see the paper, as so far, all i've seen if stuff written by folks who work for the company itself. MC On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:46 PM, grisc...@aim.com wrote: I found a really informative paper on LTCI, written by a vet that has been using it.? I'll have to look it up again to give you the url The treatment is pretty expensive, as many said - the 3 dose pack is about $200.? Recommended dosage is once a week for a month, then every 2 weeks for 2 months, then every 4-6 weeks I believe. It's available from Webster and Butler supply houses that I know of.? Would like to know if anyone tries it - it was too late coming for my Spats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...
I would be interested as well. Just today, I was discussing this treatment with Tommy's vet. - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here... Hi Karen I would be interested ( as would everyone on this list) in knowing about the success you have had in treating Felv. Are you representing or connected in anyway with Immulan ? Thanks Jane On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Karen Griffith wrote: Judy, Sorry to hear about your Wilson's test results. You will receive much good advise from the members here. I am an Animal Scientist/ Animal Nutritionist from Ohio State University. Feel free to call me at 740-992-5782. I have had much success with FELV+ kitties and can speak with you personally and fill you in on what I have found to be the best protocol / support / treatment options. (This offer also goes to anyone on the list that would like some help. For those wondering about the Immulan, I have one client using it with additional treatments with success. Did not have the luck she had hoped for with it alone.) Looking forward to speaking with you. The best time to reach me is after 9 pm EST. Karen Griffith - Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] I'm new here... This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS
My dear sweet little girl Houdini died today. She was just 10 months old. Test positive twice but never had any symptoms. For the last couple of days she meowed when I picked her up. This little girl loved to be held and petted. Since I have 8 house cats, I thought perhaps a bite or sprain but could find any evidence of an injury. Yesterday she started breathing kind of heavy so today we headed to the vet, a 45 minute drive. She stopped meowing a couple of miles away from the vet's office. I thought she had finally gotten used to the ride. Didn't know she was dead until I got into the vets office. I'm still in shock. Bright Eyes had failed over several weeks. I just didn't think I wouldn't be coming home with her. She loved to sit on the desk beside the computer while I was on line. When I sat down on the sofa she immediately got in my lap. She just loved to be loved. I will sorely miss her. I am just grateful I was able to have her love for as long as I did. I rescued her and her litter mates from a dumpster site when she was 4 weeks old. She earned her name because she was the only one of the 4 that could escape from the crate I had them in. Please add her to the next CLS. Sharyl Sissy Rocket CJ Mattie and all my Angels ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charlotte is going back to the vet tommorrow
I do the same thing when I come home from the shelter where I volunteer. I even have a special pair of shoes that I only wear at the shelter and I keep them in a plastic bag in the garage when I am not at the shelter. I would rather be safe then sorry. - Original Message - From: souther...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charlotte is going back to the vet tommorrow I'm certainly not a vet, so maybe this is overkill, but I'm very cautious about carrying disease/germs etc. when I come back from the shelter (I volunteer there) I am afraid, not that I'll infect anyone there, but that my FeLV+ boy will pick up some germ from there. So I don't take him there and I literally take off my shoes at the door of my house, and immediately go to the bathroom and take off all my clothes and take a shower when I come in the door just in case I have anything on me that he might get. I then spray down my shoes with lysol before I bring them in. I put the clothes in the hamper and wash them before I wear them again. I'm a regular volunteer. I may be carrying it too far but i am scared that I'll bring something home to either the cat or the dog who has chronic erlichiosis. Sidney ** Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219799634x1201361008/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad .doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214133440%3B36002254%3Bj) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...
Judy, the link to the Assist Feeding group is http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ As Laurie said it is important to get enough calories into Wilson. Often gently warmed meat baby food will entice kitties to eat. It is easy to syringe and some kitties will lick it off a baby spoon. Hugs to Wilson Sharyl --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here... To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 6:33 PM Welcome! Glad you are here and sorry for reason. But, it isn't a death sentence! My FeLv+ cats, Squeaky and Stripes lived to ages 22 and 16. Re Wilson, it is really important to get him eating asap. Cats, unlike humans, cannot go long without eating their normal amount of food. They risk liver failure after 24-48 hours of not eating their normal amount of food. When this happen, they don't want to eat. Please consider also joining Feline Assisted Feeding for information about food needs and feeding options. For my anorexic cats, vets have suggested canned Fancy Feast, canned Friskies and chicken baby food (without garlic). A friend with a sanctuary recommends Whiskas in packets with cheese. Weruva canned Paw Lickin chicken, Solid Gold canned tuna and canned Petguard Turkey and Barley Lite, human salmon, human canned mackerel and cooked tilapia have been irresistible for my cats. They also like Wellness turkey and salmon. Isabella, FeLV+, likes dry EVO and canned Fancy Feast. My FeLV+ cats have not had eating issues but other cats with whom I share my home have. Have you tried baking a chicken thigh (dark meat) or even (gag) Kentucky Fried chicken? Laurie (Iowa) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Judy Eaton Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:57 PM To: Feline leukemia Subject: [Felvtalk] I'm new here... This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS
Houdini left this world in a place that was safe for hernext to her person. That is so much better than leaving at the vet's. I know the awful feeling of having one leave so suddenly. Dixie Louise was on the way home from the vets' when she left this world. We hadn't been gone 10 minutes. Bless you for loving her. She still is there. Just in a very different form. On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Sharyl wrote: My dear sweet little girl Houdini died today. She was just 10 months old. Test positive twice but never had any symptoms. For the last couple of days she meowed when I picked her up. This little girl loved to be held and petted. Since I have 8 house cats, I thought perhaps a bite or sprain but could find any evidence of an injury. Yesterday she started breathing kind of heavy so today we headed to the vet, a 45 minute drive. She stopped meowing a couple of miles away from the vet's office. I thought she had finally gotten used to the ride. Didn't know she was dead until I got into the vets office. I'm still in shock. Bright Eyes had failed over several weeks. I just didn't think I wouldn't be coming home with her. She loved to sit on the desk beside the computer while I was on line. When I sat down on the sofa she immediately got in my lap. She just loved to be loved. I will sorely miss her. I am just grateful I was able to have her love for as long as I did. I rescued her and her litter mates from a dumpster site when she was 4 weeks old. She earned her name because she was the only one of the 4 that could escape from the crate I had them in. Please add her to the next CLS. Sharyl Sissy Rocket CJ Mattie and all my Angels ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here...
Jane, I am in no way connected to Immulan. Personally, I feel there has not been enough control group research on the product, and not enough availability of what research there has been. Having said that, I have seen some improvement of symptoms with it's use in one of my client's cats. (She decided to give it a try on it's own with a couple of kitties, and also used it in combination with Transfer Factor Plus, where she found better results.) I myself have not used it. Will wait until it has been on the market a bit longer and see if there are side effects, etc. I am associated with 4- Life Transfer Factor, as I had used it in many situations, read over 600 research paper on it, and myself ran several trials where antibiotics and other meds didn't do the job. I found it very useful in the treatment of URI's, chronic infections, FeLV, non-healing wounds, EPM, joint-ill in foals, tumor regression, etc. After seeing it's success in these varying situations, and the amount I was using, I became a distributor. As far as feeding the cat with little to no appetite, Nutrical works very well as a food replacement and is very palatable. It is foaling season here, so am called out most every night to deliver a baby (equine), but will set down soon and write what I have found to be helpful for the FELV kitties. Karen - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I'm new here... Hi Karen I would be interested ( as would everyone on this list) in knowing about the success you have had in treating Felv. Are you representing or connected in anyway with Immulan ? Thanks Jane On Apr 23, 2009, at 6:32 PM, Karen Griffith wrote: Judy, Sorry to hear about your Wilson's test results. You will receive much good advise from the members here. I am an Animal Scientist/ Animal Nutritionist from Ohio State University. Feel free to call me at 740-992-5782. I have had much success with FELV+ kitties and can speak with you personally and fill you in on what I have found to be the best protocol / support / treatment options. (This offer also goes to anyone on the list that would like some help. For those wondering about the Immulan, I have one client using it with additional treatments with success. Did not have the luck she had hoped for with it alone.) Looking forward to speaking with you. The best time to reach me is after 9 pm EST. Karen Griffith - Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] I'm new here... This is my introductory note to you guys. I am Judy Eaton and live in Richland, Oregon, a tiny, remote farming community. I am a lifelong animal lover, especially of cats, and have owned many. Currently, I have an 11 month old grey tabby, Wilson Combat, who is fel leuk positive. I found out about the diagnosis when I had him neutered at 5 months, and last weekend had him checked again, due to lethargy, no appetite, and third eyelid over one eye. He is still positive. His blood was checked, and actually his count was pretty good. However, he still isn't eating, and just moping around. I have offered him every kitty treat I can think of( cooked chicken, hamburger, tuna), with no luck. He purrs, and looks good,no vomiting or diarrhea, but the anorexia has to lead to major weight loss. Do these cats get better and then worse in cycles? I would suspect that. I am an RN and have had comparable experiences with people with devastating diagnoses, and guessed that this cat's case may be similar. I am so sad about all this, and I guess I just need some support! We are letting him go outside. He has his own kitty door...We are very isolated, and my husband and I want him to be as happy as he can be. I know the risks. Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS
Sharyl I am SO sorry for your sudden loss of Houdini.She sounded like a great baby.Hugs to you. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way --- On Thu, 4/23/09, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 7:51 PM My dear sweet little girl Houdini died today. She was just 10 months old. Test positive twice but never had any symptoms. For the last couple of days she meowed when I picked her up. This little girl loved to be held and petted. Since I have 8 house cats, I thought perhaps a bite or sprain but could find any evidence of an injury. Yesterday she started breathing kind of heavy so today we headed to the vet, a 45 minute drive. She stopped meowing a couple of miles away from the vet's office. I thought she had finally gotten used to the ride. Didn't know she was dead until I got into the vets office. I'm still in shock. Bright Eyes had failed over several weeks. I just didn't think I wouldn't be coming home with her. She loved to sit on the desk beside the computer while I was on line. When I sat down on the sofa she immediately got in my lap. She just loved to be loved. I will sorely miss her. I am just grateful I was able to have her love for as long as I did. I rescued her and her litter mates from a dumpster site when she was 4 weeks old. She earned her name because she was the only one of the 4 that could escape from the crate I had them in. Please add her to the next CLS. Sharyl Sissy Rocket CJ Mattie and all my Angels ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charlotte is going back to the vet tommorrow
Hi Laurie, I'm not familiar with what is going on with Charlotte, is she anemic and if so what is her HCT? If she is anemic has she been on doxocycline for at least 4 weeks? Positive cats commonly get something called hemobartonella, it is acually recently called something else but it is a parasite and very hard to get an accurate test for. It causes anemia and is treated commonly with doxy. Most vets will put a positive kitty on it if they are anemic just to be on the safe side. I know one person who had her cat tested 5 times and come up negative and on the 6th test was positive. Even if she isn't positive the doxy won't hurt her but if she is positive may save her life. My Bailey was on epogen when he was anemic, his HCT was at 20% when we ordered the epogen and down to 18% when we started it. It can take several weeks for it to kick in and the HCT may continue to go down for as many as 3 or 4 weeks, Bailey got as low as 15% before his HCT started going up. In about 6 weeks he as at 40% and on the epogen we maintained his HCT at 33% to 25%. He was on it for 5 months before he passed of undiagnosed pancreatic cancer. We found the cancer upon necropsy. I know many, many CRF kitties who are on epogen and there is an Anemia list that you many want to look into. Many vet will poopoo epogen for a positive cat but when the choice is do nothing and the cat WILL die or try epogen and the cat may live I'll always take the chance, if the cat is going to die anyway there is nothing to loss and everything to gain!!! There are other things and some people thing they are better, aranesp and procrit both help with anemia. Procrit and epogen are basically the same thing, the aranesp is something new and some say it has less of a chance of causing an antibody reaction (antibody reaction means basically that the epogen doesn't work anymore and you are back where you started), it is estimated between 10 and 30% of cats on epogen can develope antibodies in 5 or more months. I personally know of several cats on epogen for much longer with no problems, one cat Jean Luc was on it for 2 years, he would have been dead long before without it. He had lymphoma and CRF. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charlotte is going back to the vet tommorrow
PS. Bailey was positive at 5 months of age when I found him and lived 11 years without ever being sick until the last 6 months of his life!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS
Sharyl, I'm so sorry Houdini had to leave you. She sounds like a great little girl. Hugs to you and gentle Bridge vibes to her. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:52 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Houdini to the next CLS My dear sweet little girl Houdini died today. She was just 10 months old. Test positive twice but never had any symptoms. For the last couple of days she meowed when I picked her up. This little girl loved to be held and petted. Since I have 8 house cats, I thought perhaps a bite or sprain but could find any evidence of an injury. Yesterday she started breathing kind of heavy so today we headed to the vet, a 45 minute drive. She stopped meowing a couple of miles away from the vet's office. I thought she had finally gotten used to the ride. Didn't know she was dead until I got into the vets office. I'm still in shock. Bright Eyes had failed over several weeks. I just didn't think I wouldn't be coming home with her. She loved to sit on the desk beside the computer while I was on line. When I sat down on the sofa she immediately got in my lap. She just loved to be loved. I will sorely miss her. I am just grateful I was able to have her love for as long as I did. I rescued her and her litter mates from a dumpster site when she was 4 weeks old. She earned her name because she was the only one of the 4 that could escape from the crate I had them in. Please add her to the next CLS. Sharyl Sissy Rocket CJ Mattie and all my Angels ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Important - please read, be aware and pass it on!
hard-boiled eggs provide the necessary taurine.. and ground chicken/turkey can be used, and you can watch sales for them and get that quite inexpensively, too. (and those two are good for crf kitties, which is why i started using it--AND learned that the hard-boiled eggs gave enough taurine). i add brown rice to stretch the mixture, not because they need it (obligate carnivores and all that) and rarely add veggies for the same reason. however, being the silly mom that i am, i usually cook the rice in chicky broth, and something, okay mostly, add some gravy for flavor. and vitamins. mc On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.comwrote: Thanks, Belinda!! I forwarded it on to everyong I know who has pets. Debbie (COL) The time is always right to do what is right - Martin Luther King Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:49:35 -0700 From: ma...@bemikitties.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Important - please read, be aware and pass it on! * Here we go again:* The Food and Drug Administration is looking into a series of pet deaths and illnesses, possibly connected with Nutro Foods. Nutro Foods makes both dog and cat foods sold under brand names Nutro Max, Nutro Natural Choice and Nutro Max Cat. The company has set up a hot line for consumers to call with their concerns -- 800-833-5330. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30331337/ I'm getting really leery of the good foods!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Wilson and I
Hi, Thanks for all your comments, especially about feeding. We had guests over for dinner tonight and I couldn't wait until they left so I could get to my computer..after I began syringe feeding Wilson. Both of us quit after about 20 ccs of cat food, but I then got on the assisted feeding site and was encouraged. Wilson actually was swallowing the syringed food rather gratefully, as long as I didn't push it too fast. My husband helped keep both me and the cat calm! So we are starting on a new thing here. Sympathy to Sharyl on the loss of Houdini...and thanks for the extra emphasis on the feeding that got me into real action. I am used to dealing with people who won't eat, not cats, and had no idea that no food for a short time can be fatal. Judy and Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
