Re: [Fink-users] How do Apple X11 and Fink XFree86 Coexist
The symlinks are generated by Ben's script for Beta 1. For Beta 2, they are built in Actually, I checked my installation again and libapplexp.1.0.dylib doesn't exist anymore--it was in my backup directory, but it was copied over from my Beta 1 install. I confirmed this by using Pacifist, so that I could go into the original .pkg files. For other readers, I'll summarize: ?1 - (same) sudo sudo dpkg -r --force-depends xfree86-rootless-threaded=20 xfree86-rootless-threaded-shlibs xfree86-base-threaded=20 xfree86-base-threaded-shlibs 2 - (same) Install X11User, X11SDK 3 - (same) sudo mv /usr/X11R6 /usr/X11R6_bak sudo mv /etc/X11 /etc/X11_bak 4 - (same) fink install xfree86-base-threaded fink install xfree86-rootless-threaded 5 - (changed) sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/bin/Xquartz /usr/X11R6/bin sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/bin/quartz-wm /usr/X11R6/bin sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.1.1.dylib /usr/X11R6/lib sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.1.dylib /usr/X11R6/lib sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.dylib /usr/X11R6/lib (the last 3 dylibs were absent in the beta 0.1 post) 6 - (changed) mkdir ~/X11 sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/bin/Xquartz ~/X11 sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/bin/quartz-wm ~/X11 sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.1.1.dylib ~/X11 sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.1.dylib ~/X11 sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.dylib ~/X11 (same 3 dylibs absent from beta 0.1) 7 - sudo pico .xinitrc and added: exec quartz-wm On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 00:34, Michèle Garoche wrote: Le mercredi, 19 fév 2003, à 22:25 Europe/Paris, Alexander Hansen a écrit : I redo the same also, but then when I inspect the differences both bak and non bak folder I saw that the files where the same except for applexp.1.dylib which I copied, the other ones were only symbolic links to this one (I had run before the perl script from Ben (not sure if it's from Ben, sorry for the author if I'm wrong here, I apologize in advance). So I remove them and remove too the bak folder since it is noted on Fink site that the script is no longer needed. Did I do something wrong, in which case I will erase all and reinstall X11 and XDarwin (fun, fun, fun :-)? Michèle http://micmacfr.homeunix.org/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] How do Apple X11 and Fink XFree86 Coexist
On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 16:35, Samuel M.Smith wrote: Why would anyone want to this? 1) Apple's X11 is rootless only, so this gives the option to run fullscreen. 2) quartz-wm (the Apple window manager) is fast even if cobbled into a standard XFree86 installation, and there are other nice features, too. 3) If you build packages from source against xfree86-threaded, they frequently don't work with Apple X11, and some packages require threaded X. This way you can have threaded X with the benefits of Apple X11. I am still a little confused but I feel some light peeking through. so ... if I don't need to build any fink packages that need to compile against XFree86 Threaded but I do want to use packages that compile or depend on X Windows and would like to use Apple's Xll instead of XFree86 then I just delete my current XFree86 installation and then install Apples including the sdk? That's right. Instructions for switching with are available at http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/x11/inst-xfree86.php#switching-x11 One thing to keep in mind is that Apple's X11 is still in beta, so there are still bugs to be worked out. XDarwin is much more mature and stable. Then any fink apps that depend on X windows (but not threaded) will for the most part build OK? Run OK? There may be packages that won't build--geomview is one that has come up recently. I assume that with Apple's quartz-wm that you get the benefit of open-gl graphics even if using the combined XFree86 and X11 approach? There is some degradation, but it's still noticeably faster. snip -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] How do Apple X11 and Fink XFree86 Coexist
Here's what actually is going on: Apple's X11 has some files that aren't found in standard XFree86, such as the window manager. The convoluted process serves to extract just those files, so that they can be placed on top of a standard XFree86 installation (not replacing anything that's there). Basically, you can run standard XFree86 in rootless or fullscreen mode by using XDarwin.app or startx, as usual, or you can run X11.app (rootless only). Why would anyone want to this? 1) Apple's X11 is rootless only, so this gives the option to run fullscreen. 2) quartz-wm (the Apple window manager) is fast even if cobbled into a standard XFree86 installation, and there are other nice features, too. 3) If you build packages from source against xfree86-threaded, they frequently don't work with Apple X11, and some packages require threaded X. This way you can have threaded X with the benefits of Apple X11. I'm working on the X11 docs right now, but I personally don't think this alternative is sufficiently robust to be made an officially recommended option. If a fink package that automated this was released, then that's different. As an aside, one thing that I found out is that James G's instructions were appropriate for Beta0.1, but more files needed to be moved for Beta0.2 . If you're interested I'll elaborate. On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 13:44, Samuel M.Smith wrote: I know there has been some discussion on this list on how to make Apple's X11 distribution coexist with Fink XFree86 X11. But it is somewhat confusing. I found in the archives a message from James Gibbs that decribes a proceedure where one installs Apple X11, moves it out of /usr/X11r6, then installs xfree86 then moves back Apples x11. I must say I don't understand what is going on or how they interact well enough to have confidence that I can apply the approach in general or tell if I have done something wrong. Would someone care to elaborate a little bit on how the two are supposed to coexist. Will the docs for XFree86 get updated to reflect this new alternative? Thanks, Sam --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] How do Apple X11 and Fink XFree86 Coexist
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, Samuel M.Smith wrote: I know there has been some discussion on this list on how to make Apple's X11 distribution coexist with Fink XFree86 X11. But it is somewhat confusing. I found in the archives a message from James Gibbs that decribes a proceedure where one installs Apple X11, moves it out of /usr/X11r6, then installs xfree86 then moves back Apples x11. I must say I don't understand what is going on or how they interact well enough to have confidence that I can apply the approach in general or tell if I have done something wrong. Would someone care to elaborate a little bit on how the two are supposed to coexist. Will the docs for XFree86 get updated to reflect this new alternative? Thanks, Sam Sam: The short answer is they don't (coexist that is). The long answer is that if you want, you can use Apples' quartz-wm with fink Xfree86. There have been some posts on this list, and fink-devel on how to do this. It involves copying some files from Apples X11 into your fink installed /usr/X11R6. You can use Pacifist to extract these files from the X11 package. These files exist only in Apple's X11 (such as quartz-wm, Xquartz), so you won't be overwriting any fink installed files. -Jeff -- Jeffrey S. Whitaker Phone : (303)497-6313 NOAA/OAR/CDC R/CDC1FAX : (303)497-6449 325 BroadwayWeb : http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/~jsw Boulder, CO, USA 80305-3328 Office: Skaggs Research Cntr 1D-124 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] How do Apple X11 and Fink XFree86 Coexist
Le mercredi, 19 fév 2003, à 20:46 Europe/Paris, Alexander Hansen a écrit : As an aside, one thing that I found out is that James G's instructions were appropriate for Beta0.1, but more files needed to be moved for Beta0.2 . If you're interested I'll elaborate. I'm interesting if you don't mind to elaborate. Michèle http://micmacfr.homeunix.org/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] How do Apple X11 and Fink XFree86 Coexist
It's not too different. Quoting the message: 1 - (same) sudo sudo dpkg -r --force-depends xfree86-rootless-threaded=20 xfree86-rootless-threaded-shlibs xfree86-base-threaded=20 xfree86-base-threaded-shlibs 2 - (same) Install X11User, X11SDK 3 - (same) sudo mv /usr/X11R6 /usr/X11R6_bak sudo mv /etc/X11 /etc/X11_bak 4 - (same) fink install xfree86-base-threaded fink install xfree86-rootless-threaded 5 - (changed) sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/bin/Xquartz /usr/X11R6/bin sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/bin/quartz-wm /usr/X11R6/bin sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.1.0.dylib /usr/X11R6/lib sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.1.1.dylib /usr/X11R6/lib sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.1.dylib /usr/X11R6/lib sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.dylib /usr/X11R6/lib (the last 3 dylibs were absent in the beta 0.1 post) 6 - (changed) mkdir ~/X11 sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/bin/Xquartz ~/X11 sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/bin/quartz-wm ~/X11 sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.1.0.dylib ~/X11 sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.1.1.dylib ~/X11 sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.1.dylib ~/X11 sudo cp /usr/X11R6_bak/lib/libapplexp.dylib ~/X11 (same 3 dylibs absent from beta 0.1) 7 - sudo pico .xinitrc and added: exec quartz-wm On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 16:17, Michèle Garoche wrote: Le mercredi, 19 fév 2003, à 20:46 Europe/Paris, Alexander Hansen a écrit : As an aside, one thing that I found out is that James G's instructions were appropriate for Beta0.1, but more files needed to be moved for Beta0.2 . If you're interested I'll elaborate. I'm interesting if you don't mind to elaborate. Michèle http://micmacfr.homeunix.org/ -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] How do Apple X11 and Fink XFree86 Coexist
Why would anyone want to this? 1) Apple's X11 is rootless only, so this gives the option to run fullscreen. 2) quartz-wm (the Apple window manager) is fast even if cobbled into a standard XFree86 installation, and there are other nice features, too. 3) If you build packages from source against xfree86-threaded, they frequently don't work with Apple X11, and some packages require threaded X. This way you can have threaded X with the benefits of Apple X11. I am still a little confused but I feel some light peeking through. so ... if I don't need to build any fink packages that need to compile against XFree86 Threaded but I do want to use packages that compile or depend on X Windows and would like to use Apple's Xll instead of XFree86 then I just delete my current XFree86 installation and then install Apples including the sdk? Then any fink apps that depend on X windows (but not threaded) will for the most part build OK? Run OK? I assume that with Apple's quartz-wm that you get the benefit of open-gl graphics even if using the combined XFree86 and X11 approach? I'm working on the X11 docs right now, but I personally don't think this alternative is sufficiently robust to be made an officially recommended option. If a fink package that automated this was released, then that's different. As an aside, one thing that I found out is that James G's instructions were appropriate for Beta0.1, but more files needed to be moved for Beta0.2 . If you're interested I'll elaborate. On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 13:44, Samuel M.Smith wrote: I know there has been some discussion on this list on how to make Apple's X11 distribution coexist with Fink XFree86 X11. But it is somewhat confusing. I found in the archives a message from James Gibbs that decribes a proceedure where one installs Apple X11, moves it out of /usr/X11r6, then installs xfree86 then moves back Apples x11. I must say I don't understand what is going on or how they interact well enough to have confidence that I can apply the approach in general or tell if I have done something wrong. Would someone care to elaborate a little bit on how the two are supposed to coexist. Will the docs for XFree86 get updated to reflect this new alternative? Thanks, Sam --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] How do Apple X11 and Fink XFree86 Coexist
Le mercredi, 19 fév 2003, à 22:25 Europe/Paris, Alexander Hansen a écrit : I redo the same also, but then when I inspect the differences both bak and non bak folder I saw that the files where the same except for applexp.1.dylib which I copied, the other ones were only symbolic links to this one (I had run before the perl script from Ben (not sure if it's from Ben, sorry for the author if I'm wrong here, I apologize in advance). So I remove them and remove too the bak folder since it is noted on Fink site that the script is no longer needed. Did I do something wrong, in which case I will erase all and reinstall X11 and XDarwin (fun, fun, fun :-)? Michèle http://micmacfr.homeunix.org/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SlickEdit Inc. Develop an edge. The most comprehensive and flexible code editor you can use. Code faster. C/C++, C#, Java, HTML, XML, many more. FREE 30-Day Trial. www.slickedit.com/sourceforge ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
