subject:"FLUXLIST\: test"


At 18:41 Uhr -0400 15.07.2001, Reed Altemus wrote:
So no, it is not so strange to me that there  is no definition of Fluxus.
  RA   Of course, nobody defined it. Why is that so strange?

And what is the difference between a definition and those rules of Ken ?
Just Kens art or art ?
Well, who was the greatest Fluxus artist ? Beuys ? Blablabla.

Re: [Fwd: FLUXLIST: test x]


Eric,

Listowners, who try to solve disputes by banning people should meet no
respect.

Listowners not respected should step down.

As much as it might be valid in general, I think we are a private list.
Somebody is paying for it.
And he can do whatever he wants. Thats life.

H.

Re: [Fwd: FLUXLIST: test x]

2001-07-16 Thread Roger Stevens



As much as it might be valid in general, I think we are a private list.
Somebody is paying for it.
And he can do whatever he wants. Thats life.

H.


I agree.
Whoever said the list was a democracy?

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-16 Thread Eric Andersen



this is rather to run away from it.
"narvis  ...pez" wrote:
i wonder if this words
can not be considered an intend
of jump to the fire
by ken friedman.

> Call for papers
FLUXUS was an international community of artists, architects,
designers, and composers described as "the most radical and
experimental art movement of the 1960s." As a laboratory of
experimental art, Fluxus was the first locus of intermedia, concept
art, events, and video, and a central influence on performance art,
arte povera, and mail art.






De: Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fecha: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:25:44 +0200
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x

Of course, nobody defined it. Why is that so strange?


Reed Altemus wrote:

Secondly, George Maciunas did certainly not define Fluxus.
To which I would reply: neither did or do you, Mr. Anderson, sir. In
certain areas he
defined it well enough for me.
RA
Reed Altemus wrote:
Hey Eric,
members that none of the original artists from
the Flux festivalsconsidered KenFriedman to be an artist. We all saw him
as an agent and promoter. Andmost of Did it ever occur
to you that some people on the list don't give a flying fuckwhat "the original
artists from the Flux festivals" think? In addition, what the hell havethe
original aritstsfrom the Flux festivals ever done for me (besides, in your
case,parading a kind of juvenile popularity contest on this list which
I find very amusingconsidering that it was Ken and Dick Higgins who, with
others, started the list)So Ken Friedman is a sociologist and not an artist,
what's the big deal? Since I've foundhis past activities under the Fluxus
banner interesting, why should I feel a need foryour or anyone else's "Fluxus"
seal of approval. Besides, Eric, it was Maciunas whosaid that t! ! he artist
should eventually be replaced by the Fluxworker, someone who hasemployment
in another field (like sociology or folklorism or whatever) but who does
Fluxus asan avocation. Artists were to be retrained for socially constructive
rather than parasitic work. RA
--- Reed Altemus--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink: It's your Internet.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-16 Thread Eric Andersen



Well, some people working within the network had some of these attitudes.
Some not. None of them had all of them. Many people working outside the
network had many of them. Some all.


Reed Altemus wrote:
Well, like the attitude that once you have
an approach to a problem, you then thinkof something else, a different
approach, an alternative, instead. To me that is a very Fluxusattitude.
Or the attitude that every person has something to offer, everyone is an
artist, ofnon-elitist art, to me that also is a very Fluxus attitude. Or
the attitude that tedious or boringart is OK. That also is to me a Fluxus
attitude. Or the attitude that art is experimental and all the resultsare
interesting. A Fluxus attitude also. I'm not saying this has anything to
do with me, per se,just that these are some things I've observed about
Fluxus.RAWhat do you mean by attitude? Which attitude?

Reed Altemus wrote:
Hey, you're the one who brought up the "definition"
problem, not me! Thought you weregonna slip that past me eh? No, of course
no one defined Fluxus, from what I understandthe less defined it was the
harder it was for anyone to coopt it- for me it remains an attitude,not
an ism. I think George Brecht once said "Everybody has their own idea of
what Fluxusis. That way it will take longer for them to bury us." So no,
it is not so strange to me that thereis no definition of Fluxus. RA Of
course, nobody defined it. Why is that so strange?
Reed Altemus wrote:

Secondly, George Maciunas did certainly not define Fluxus.
To which I would reply: neither did or do you, Mr. Anderson, sir. In
certain areas he
defined it well enough for me.
RA
Reed Altemus wrote:
Hey Eric,
members
that none of the original artists from the Flux festivalsconsidered KenFriedman
to be an artist. We all saw him as an agent and promoter. Andmost of
Did it ever occur to you that some people on the list don't
give a flying fuckwhat "the original artists from the Flux festivals" think?
In addition, what the hell havethe original aritstsfrom the Flux festivals
ever done for me (besides, in your case,parading a kind of juvenile popularity
contest on this list which I find very amusingconsidering that it was Ken
and Dick Higgins who, with others, started the list)So Ken Friedman is
a sociologist and not an artist, what's the big deal? Since I've foundhis
past activities under the Fluxus banner interesting, why should I feel
a need foryour or anyone else's "Fluxus" seal of approval. Besides, Eric,
it was Maciunas whosaid that t! ! ! ! ! ! he artist should eventually be
replaced by the Fluxworker, someone who hasemployment in another field
(like sociology or folklorism or whatever) but who does Fluxus asan avocation.
Artists were to be retrained for socially constructive rather than parasitic
work. RA
--- Reed Altemus--- [EMAIL PROTECTED]---
EarthLink: It's your Internet.

Re: [Fwd: FLUXLIST: test x]


At 9:47 Uhr +0100 16.07.2001, Roger Stevens wrote:
As much as it might be valid in general, I think we are a private list.

I agree.
Whoever said the list was a democracy?

But, on the other hand, see it as a party, and we, as a group, could decide
to go.

Re: [Fwd: FLUXLIST: test x]

2001-07-16 Thread Roger Stevens


, Roger Stevens wrote:
As much as it might be valid in general, I think we are a private list.

I agree.
Whoever said the list was a democracy?

But, on the other hand, see it as a party, and we, as a group, could decide
to go.



true

I brought my harp to the party
and nobody asked me to play

XXX

Re: [Fwd: FLUXLIST: test x]


At 10:46 Uhr +0100 16.07.2001, Roger Stevens wrote:

I brought my harp to the party
and nobody asked me to play


Yeah, but arent we all playing some kind of harp ?

Lilith had a harp in Roma, nice instrument. Bom sharkar !

The g2k affair, hmmm. Had many sides. Harping in the internet,
irony, isnt it the same what listgod Cage sayed, if you put some irony in it ?
I had some Bitnet experiences with different listservs and never experienced
something like that. Maybe it is some kind of second wave phenomenon,
like nettime, which is moderated. The internet is so cool and fluxish.

Anyway, maybe this is simply all too much Maciunas aka authoritarian, no
humor etc...

Btw, I remember we once were discussing Pornography. That old ladies might
be offended
etc. Is or was fluxus such an old lady group ?

H.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-15 Thread Heiko Recktenwald


 StAubryThomas:

 Piss off, will you.

I like him. Even if he writes sometimes things I see in a different way.

It was extremly stupid by whoever was responsible for this to block a topic
from discussion and not a person/sender.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-15 Thread meryl





 did you laugh?
 
 XXX
 Ernest
 
 

Yeah, I laughed. 

Perhaps I'm easily amused.

000
BadgerGirl

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-15 Thread Losonczi Júlia


Dear John,

you make me laugh. 


 At 11:32 AM 7/14/01, you wrote:
 
 StAubryThomas:
 
 Piss off, will you.
 
 The High/Hugh is not remotely amusing, and is, in fact, tedious in the 
 extreme.
 
 Slide back to your burrow like a good rodent, will you?
 
 Now, about planting...
 
 
 
 High!
 
 On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Carol Starr wrote:
 
   MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING
  
 It's about Parity, Sisterhood, Leave.
 
 Hugh!
 
 a101a
 
 
 
 Cheers!
 
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Re: FLUXLIST: test x



I don't care what you find interesting or not. I just explained a few things
as a response to Sol's wish to ban 2 more persons from the list.
Secondly, George Maciunas did certainly not define Fluxus.
Eric Andersen


Reed Altemus wrote:
Hey Eric,
members
that none of the original artists from the Flux festivalsconsidered KenFriedman
to be an artist. We all saw him as an agent and promoter. Andmost of
Did it ever occur to you that some people on the list don't
give a flying fuckwhat "the original artists from the Flux festivals" think?
In addition, what the hell havethe original aritstsfrom the Flux festivals
ever done for me (besides, in your case,parading a kind of juvenile popularity
contest on this list which I find very amusingconsidering that it was Ken
and Dick Higgins who, with others, started the list)So Ken Friedman is
a sociologist and not an artist, what's the big deal? Since I've foundhis
past activities under the Fluxus banner interesting, why should I feel
a need foryour or anyone else's "Fluxus" seal of approval. Besides, Eric,
it was Maciunas whosaid that the artist should eventually be replaced by
the Fluxworker, someone who hasemployment in another field (like sociology
or folklorism or whatever) but who does Fluxus asan avocation. Artists
were to be retrained for socially constructive rather than parasitic work.
RA
--- Reed Altemus--- [EMAIL PROTECTED]---
EarthLink: It's your Internet.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x


Dear Heiko,

Heiko Recktenwald wrote:

  what did you or do you think of Dick Higgins ?

Dick was one of my best friends. A great artist and scholar.

 Al Hanson ? Was he an artist ?
 Which works would you say are art ? (I liked the early theoretical things
 on Happenings most.
 And his sentence: I dont like artists who make other artists bad.)

Sure, I consider Al to be an artist and all his works to be art. Also I
don't like artists who make other artists bad.


 To be an artist, thats mostly a personal view of others.

I don't think so. There is generally quite a lot of respect among
artists, - inspite of differences and disagreements. However, when
people in desperate need for some kind of identity or feeling of
belonging show up to adhere, - it seldomly works.



  Both praised Mr M very much.

So do I.

 What do you think of Als pornographic stuff ? I think such stuff was once
 topic in fluxus politics. There we can see allready some peoples lameness...

I  also liked Als pornographic stuff. There is no such thing as a fluxus
politic.


All the bests
Eric

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-15 Thread Reed Altemus



Secondly, George Maciunas did certainly not define Fluxus.
To which I would reply: neither did or do you, Mr. Anderson, sir. In certain areas he 
defined it well enough for me. 
RA
Reed Altemus wrote: 
Hey Eric, 
members that none of the original artists from the Flux festivalsconsidered KenFriedman to be an artist. We all saw him as an agent and promoter. Andmost of Did it ever occur to you that some people on the list don't give a flying fuckwhat "the original artists from the Flux festivals" think? In addition, what the hell havethe original aritstsfrom the Flux festivals ever done for me (besides, in your case,parading a kind of juvenile popularity contest on this list which I find very amusingconsidering that it was Ken and Dick Higgins who, with others, started the list)So Ken Friedman is a sociologist and not an artist, what's the big deal? Since I've foundhis past activities under the Fluxus banner interesting, why should I feel a need foryour or anyone else's "Fluxus" seal of approval. Besides, Eric, it was Maciunas whosaid that t!
!
he artist should eventually be replaced by the Fluxworker, someone who hasemployment in another field (like sociology or folklorism or whatever) but who does Fluxus asan avocation. Artists were to be retrained for socially constructive rather than parasitic work. RA--- Reed Altemus--- [EMAIL PROTECTED]--- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

[Fwd: FLUXLIST: test x]






This is plain silly. Of course I can unsubscribe. Of course I can start
my own list. However, I can also express my opinion about this list.

Listowners, who try to solve disputes by banning people should meet no
respect.

Listowners not respected should step down.

Eric Andersen



George Free wrote:

 At 01:01 AM 7/14/01 +0200, Eric Anderson wrote:

 I still think Bukoff and the rest of the old listowners should step down
 asap.

 And what purpose would be served by that?

 The term listowner is a technical term related to the software, kindly
 hosted by scribble.com, that operates the e-mail list. The role of the
 listowner is simply to manage the various technical tasks that are part of
 running an e-mail list. E.g., unsubscribing e-mail addresses that are dead
 and other details.

 The FLUXLIST listowner group is simply a collection of people who have
 agreed to carry out these mundane tasks. Sol and Allen have done the lion's
 share of this work and everyone should be grateful to them.

 The listowner group has also been called upon to make various policy and
 administrative decisions, including the banning of 1 person.

 Eric, and others: if you do not like how this e-mail list operates you are
 more than welcome to unsubscribe!

 You are also more than welcome to start your own e-mail list that you can
 operate as you see fit.

 George

Hey, you're the one who brought up the "definition" problem, not me! Thought you were
gonna slip that past me eh? No, of course no one defined Fluxus, from what I understand
the less defined it was the harder it was for anyone to coopt it- for me it remains an attitude,
not an ism. I think George Brecht once said "Everybody has their own idea of what Fluxus
is. That way it will take longer for them to bury us." So no, it is not so strange to me that there
is no definition of Fluxus.

Of course, nobody defined it. Why is that so strange?
Reed Altemus wrote:

Secondly, George Maciunas did certainly not define Fluxus.
To which I would reply: neither did or do you, Mr. Anderson, sir. In certain areas he
defined it well enough for me.
RA
Reed Altemus wrote:
Hey Eric,
members that none of the original artists from the Flux festivalsconsidered KenFriedman to be an artist. We all saw him as an agent and promoter. Andmost of Did it ever occur to you that some people on the list don't give a flying fuckwhat "the original artists from the Flux festivals" think? In addition, what the hell havethe original aritstsfrom the Flux festivals ever done for me (besides, in your case,parading a kind of juvenile popularity contest on this list which I find very amusingconsidering that it was Ken and Dick Higgins who, with others, started the list)So Ken Friedman is a sociologist and not an artist, what's the big deal? Since I've foundhis past activities under the Fluxus banner interesting, why should I feel a need foryour or anyone else's "Fluxus" seal of approval. Besides, Eric, it was Maciunas whosaid that t!
!
! ! he artist should eventually be replaced by the Fluxworker, someone who hasemployment in another field (like sociology or folklorism or whatever) but who does Fluxus asan avocation. Artists were to be retrained for socially constructive rather than parasitic work. RA--- Reed Altemus--- [EMAIL PROTECTED]--- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x



What do you mean by attitude? Which attitude?


Reed Altemus wrote:
Hey, you're the one who brought up the "definition"
problem, not me! Thought you weregonna slip that past me eh? No, of course
no one defined Fluxus, from what I understandthe less defined it was the
harder it was for anyone to coopt it- for me it remains an attitude,not
an ism. I think George Brecht once said "Everybody has their own idea of
what Fluxusis. That way it will take longer for them to bury us." So no,
it is not so strange to me that thereis no definition of Fluxus.RAOf
course, nobody defined it. Why is that so strange?

Reed Altemus wrote:

Secondly, George Maciunas did certainly not define Fluxus.
To which I would reply: neither did or do you, Mr. Anderson, sir. In
certain areas he
defined it well enough for me.
RA
Reed Altemus wrote:
Hey Eric,
members
that none of the original artists from the Flux festivalsconsidered KenFriedman
to be an artist. We all saw him as an agent and promoter. Andmost of
Did it ever occur to you that some people on the list don't
give a flying fuckwhat "the original artists from the Flux festivals" think?
In addition, what the hell havethe original aritstsfrom the Flux festivals
ever done for me (besides, in your case,parading a kind of juvenile popularity
contest on this list which I find very amusingconsidering that it was Ken
and Dick Higgins who, with others, started the list)So Ken Friedman is
a sociologist and not an artist, what's the big deal? Since I've foundhis
past activities under the Fluxus banner interesting, why should I feel
a need foryour or anyone else's "Fluxus" seal of approval. Besides, Eric,
it was Maciunas whosaid that t! ! ! ! he artist should eventually be replaced
by the Fluxworker, someone who hasemployment in another field (like sociology
or folklorism or whatever) but who does Fluxus asan avocation. Artists
were to be retrained for socially constructive rather than parasitic work.
RA
--- Reed Altemus--- [EMAIL PROTECTED]---
EarthLink: It's your Internet.

FLUXLIST: test y

2001-07-15 Thread Rod Stasick


as in:
 
testy




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Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-15 Thread narvis ...pez

Title: Re: FLUXLIST: test x



i wonder if this words 
can not be considered an intend
of jump to the fire
by ken friedman.


 Call for papers

FLUXUS was an international community of artists, architects, 
designers, and composers described as the most radical and 
experimental art movement of the 1960s. As a laboratory of 
experimental art, Fluxus was the first locus of intermedia, concept 
art, events, and video, and a central influence on performance art, 
arte povera, and mail art.






De: Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fecha: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:25:44 +0200
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x


Of course, nobody defined it. Why is that so strange? 
 
 

Reed Altemus wrote: 
 

Secondly, George Maciunas did certainly not define Fluxus. 

To which I would reply: neither did or do you, Mr. Anderson, sir. In certain areas he 

defined it well enough for me. 

RA 

Reed Altemus wrote: 
 Hey Eric, 
members that none of the original artists from the Flux festivalsconsidered KenFriedman to be an artist. We all saw him as an agent and promoter. Andmost of Did it ever occur to you that some people on the list don't give a flying fuckwhat the original artists from the Flux festivals think? In addition, what the hell havethe original aritstsfrom the Flux festivals ever done for me (besides, in your case,parading a kind of juvenile popularity contest on this list which I find very amusingconsidering that it was Ken and Dick Higgins who, with others, started the list)So Ken Friedman is a sociologist and not an artist, what's the big deal? Since I've foundhis past activities under the Fluxus banner interesting, why should I feel a need foryour or anyone else's Fluxus seal of approval. Besides, Eric, it was Maciunas whosaid that t! ! he artist should eventually be replaced by the Fluxworker, someone who hasemployment in another field (like sociology or folklorism or whatever) but who does Fluxus asan avocation. Artists were to be retrained for socially constructive rather than parasitic work. RA
--- Reed Altemus--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink: It's your Internet.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-15 Thread St.Auby Tamas


High, dear Fluxlisters!

I'm giving you the choice to either stop this
pointless agitation and contribute to the list in a positive way or
I remove you both from the list permanently ..
this decision will NOT be voted
upon apart from by the owner group!

Brahmahaha!

 we let Eric and his sidekick Tamas get away with so much in the past

Brahmahaha!

Anyway George Maciunas expelled Eric from Fluxus in the sixties
so any act that's good enough for George Maciunas
is good enough for me.

Brahmahaha!

how nasty things got the last two times Tamas and Eric
decided to complain about the list and attack people on it.

Brahmahaha!

these two make myself and others pretty angry.

Brahmahaha!

Sol.

(...)
Jean Sellem: What was the most articulated manifestation of Fluxus?

Ken Friedman: (...) Really, the stories - all the stories, all the little
stories
people tell about each other, the arguments about who is really part of
Fluxus and who isn't - that big dialogue streching out over all these years
is the most articulated manifestation. (...)

/On Fluxus - Interview; in: Lund Art Press, vol. 1, #4. Lund, Sweden, 1990/

Brahmahaha!

Hugh!

a1o1a

FLUXLIST: test y

2001-07-15 Thread Tom Grothus


Oh, yeah!

TESTIFY - to swear upon one's testicles.

My mailbox reeks of testosterone now.

Cheerful regards from Sunny Seattle
Tom Grothus
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: test y
Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001, 3:54 PM


 as in:

 testy




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Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-14 Thread John Blower




http://www.originalism.com/



http://www.feniks.com/vote.html




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Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-14 Thread alan bowman


why does eric constantly have to refer to ken friedman, why does he bring up
ken's name?
was ken involved in the G2000 thing, or tamas' tests?


let's vote

hands up who give a 

ahem!

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-14 Thread narvis ...pez


i
don't
belive
in
god

(pausa)

...pez

 De: narvis  ...pez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Fecha: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:25:17 -0400
 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
 
 a nostalgic event on-line
 called 
 
 fluxtest x
 
 1. go to your window
  tell the world 
 why genius-2000 
 must become our meshias
 in no more than 5 seconds
 5 words without pausas
 
 2. take a pause
 came on back to computer
  tell us what you did.
 
 (all fluxlisters are invited to do the job)
 
 ...p
 
 
 De: Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Fecha: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:20:24 +0200
 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
 
 I entirely agree to it all / Eric
 
 
 
 
 narvis  ...pez wrote:
 
 yeah!!
 vote for g-2000!
 he promised a fluxus-fluxlist-fluxsit-fluxist-flixits
 god-good comeback
 (without video copyrights)
 
 ...p
 
 De: { brad brace } [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Fecha: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:48:06 -0700 (PDT)
 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
 
 On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, narvis  ...pez wrote:
 
 maybe we have an other genius 2000
 or similar god in campaing again?
 
 Well, if this was a _real Fluxist fluxlist, the (apparently)
 one person banned (G-2000), would be the logical choice as
 new (sole) list-owner.
 
 /:b

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-14 Thread narvis ...pez


hey, hey
i'm not ready to vote!!!
but if i must to do
i vote for ??

(see next event)
let genius-2mil rest in peace

...pez

 De: alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Fecha: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:29:08 +0200
 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
 
 why does eric constantly have to refer to ken friedman, why does he bring up
 ken's name?
 was ken involved in the G2000 thing, or tamas' tests?
 
 
 let's vote
 
 hands up who give a 
 
 ahem!

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-14 Thread Carol Starr


MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING


-- 
carol starr
taos, new mexico, usa
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-14 Thread Rod Stasick


--- Carol Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING

MUCH DOO-DOO ABOUT NOTHING is more like it.

I'm ready for the happy pictures and stories from our
London/Tate excursion!

Rod (in the morning, before his tai chi and his chai tea)







-- 
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bevy \BEV-ee\, noun:
   1. A group; an assembly or collection.
   2. A flock of birds, especially quails or larks; also, a
  herd of roes. 

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Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-14 Thread St.Auby Tamas



High!

On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Carol Starr wrote:

 MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING

It's about Parity, Sisterhood, Leave.

Hugh!

a101a

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-14 Thread Eric Andersen


Sol brought Ken Friedman's name up. I didn't

alan bowman wrote:

 why does eric constantly have to refer to ken friedman, why does he bring up
 ken's name?
 was ken involved in the G2000 thing, or tamas' tests?

 let's vote

 hands up who give a 

 ahem!

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-14 Thread George Free


At 01:01 AM 7/14/01 +0200, Eric Anderson wrote:

I still think Bukoff and the rest of the old listowners should step down
asap.

And what purpose would be served by that?

The term listowner is a technical term related to the software, kindly 
hosted by scribble.com, that operates the e-mail list. The role of the 
listowner is simply to manage the various technical tasks that are part of 
running an e-mail list. E.g., unsubscribing e-mail addresses that are dead 
and other details.

The FLUXLIST listowner group is simply a collection of people who have 
agreed to carry out these mundane tasks. Sol and Allen have done the lion's 
share of this work and everyone should be grateful to them.

The listowner group has also been called upon to make various policy and 
administrative decisions, including the banning of 1 person.

Eric, and others: if you do not like how this e-mail list operates you are 
more than welcome to unsubscribe!

You are also more than welcome to start your own e-mail list that you can 
operate as you see fit.

George

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-14 Thread Heiko Recktenwald


At 1:01 Uhr +0200 14.07.2001, Eric Andersen wrote:
Not only highly appreciated by Emmett Williams, Arthur Koepcke, Tomas
Schmit and
myself but by most artists connected to the network and finally by
George Maciunas
with a delay of some 10 years.

Well, as you seem to know them all, what did you or do you think of Dick
Higgins ?

And, speakinf of Mr M, what do you think of Al Hanson ? Was he an artist ?
Which works would you say are art ? (I liked the early theoretical things
on Happenings most.
And his sentence: I dont like artists who make other artists bad.)

And I dont care if any original fluxers participate in this list.
As I didnt care about Ken very much. If he was an artist or not.

To be an artist, thats mostly a personal view of others. He was a
cofounder of
this list, which was mostly based on Higgins internet experiences. Higgins
liked
to see things fly.  Ken was sometimes a little bit pedantic. Both praised
Mr M very much.

What do you think of Als pornographic stuff ? I think such stuff was once
topic in
fluxus politics. There we can see allready some peoples lameness...

H.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-14 Thread John Blower


At 11:32 AM 7/14/01, you wrote:

StAubryThomas:

Piss off, will you.

The High/Hugh is not remotely amusing, and is, in fact, tedious in the 
extreme.

Slide back to your burrow like a good rodent, will you?

Now, about planting...



High!

On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Carol Starr wrote:

  MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING
 
It's about Parity, Sisterhood, Leave.

Hugh!

a101a



Cheers!

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795 Mammoth Rd, #23, Manchester, NH 03104
V: 603 668 5601 F: 707 220 7490
Trainer at Large/Ace Copywriter
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Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-14 Thread Eryk Salvaggio


Okay. This topic seems done. If anyone else has something 
disparaging to say about Eric/Tamas, it seems like it's 
already been said. 

Lets talk about other things. Has anyone heard anything 
about the game show exhibit at the Mass Moca? I went there
a few weeks ago. It was the first time I had seen any of 
the fluxus work in person. It also had contributions from
a few net.artists and whatnot. 

At one point, there was the Yoko Ono Nail piece, with the 
hammers and a bucket of nails, which confused a seven year 
old girl to no end. She couldn't understand why the nails 
and hammers were out in the open if people weren't allowed
to put nails into the canvas, on account of all of the 
enormous Do Not Touch The Art signs. It was pretty great, 
and probably the best critique of Yoko Ono's work I'd heard. 

-e. 

John Blower wrote:
 
 At 11:32 AM 7/14/01, you wrote:
 
 StAubryThomas:
 
 Piss off, will you.
 
 The High/Hugh is not remotely amusing, and is, in fact, tedious in the
 extreme.
 
 Slide back to your burrow like a good rodent, will you?
 
 Now, about planting...
 
 High!
 
 On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Carol Starr wrote:
 
   MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING
  
 It's about Parity, Sisterhood, Leave.
 
 Hugh!
 
 a101a
 
 Cheers!
 
 John Blower/FeNiKs Business Communications
 795 Mammoth Rd, #23, Manchester, NH 03104
 V: 603 668 5601 F: 707 220 7490
 Trainer at Large/Ace Copywriter
 http://www.feniks.com/  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread Heiko Recktenwald


So - what is/ was genius 2000?

An online personality by some idiot. He was spamming the list with shit.
Question remains how this should have been adressed properly.
Was there any censorship ?

I think he would have been kicked off every list.

H.


I (and probably a lot of others)
haven't a clue what anyone's been talking about on this topic these last few
weeks

XXX
Roger

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread Heiko Recktenwald


What they are asking for carries no weight, and you are escalating

Blablablabla. Please give us a definition for censorship.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread Roger Stevens


Hi

I get the feeling I'm the only one who thinks Eric and Tamas are funny.
And

possibly

I wondered if it was an event
maybe funny

but reading through it all
I can't see the humour

I don't mean that ironically.  More to the point, I believe they are very
much aware that they're being funny.

possibly
but I don't think so

for something to be funny
people have to laugh
did you laugh?

XXX
Ernest

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread Roger Stevens


by the way
IS the fluxlist a democracy?

I live in a democracy
(not an ideal one, I admit)
but my websites
my books
my house
my car
my garden

they are not democracies

I ask troublemakers to leave

it's nice to share your lettuces with slugs and snails
but if you want edible lettuces...

XXX
Agent Green

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread S.E. Nte


Hi Alex,

Actually I too do not want to see anyone kicked off Fluxlist. In fact I urge
people to kick people onto Fluxlist. Although I suggest the use of soft
shoes.

cheers,

Sol.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread bibiana padilla




I live in a democracy
(not an ideal one, I admit)
but my websites
my books
my house
my car
my garden

Hey Roger,
I live in Mexico's cradle of democracy -Baja California does it count?
xxbb
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Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread { brad brace }


On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, narvis  ...pez wrote:

 maybe we have an other genius 2000
 or similar god in campaing again?

Well, if this was a _real Fluxist fluxlist, the (apparently) 
one person banned (G-2000), would be the logical choice as
new (sole) list-owner.

/:b

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread Eric Andersen


As always, ex-listowner Sol doesn't get it.

1.
Tamas is not my sidekick and I am not his sidekick.

2.
More people are driven away from the list due to boredom than dispute.

3.
I didn't kick Ken Friedman off the list. He left out of plain
embarrassment after
he realized that it was absolutely ridiculous of him to publish his
private
slandering letters on the list.

4.
Most artists were expelled from and later included again by George
Maciunas in
this fantasy of a Fluxus Movement that in fact never existed.

5.
The wonderful event Sol refers to on the Red Square in Moscow in 1964
(Mr.
Fluxus by Emmett Williams) has become one of the most legendary tales in
Fluxus.
Not only highly appreciated by Emmett Williams, Arthur Koepcke, Tomas
Schmit and
myself but by most artists connected to the network and finally by
George Maciunas
with a delay of some 10 years.

6.
I have never abused somebody.

7.
As far as I remember, I have addressed myself to the list 3 times during
the
last 3 years. The first time was when I was kind enough to inform the
list
members that none of the original artists from the Flux festivals
considered Ken
Friedman to be an artist. We all saw him as an agent and promoter. And
most of
us would have preferred him to promote something else.
The second time was when the same Ken Friedman without any provocation
whatsoever started to publish his private slandering correspondence with
Tamas
and me. In this case I plainly responded to his absurd attacks.
The third time was when Tamas informed me that his mails to the list
were
censored. The result so far has been that the silly ban on Genius 2000
has
been lifted. He never did spam the list much more than many others,
including
Sol. It is interesting to observe that as soon this ban of one person is
being
lifted, it is proposed to ban 2 new persons. When these bans will be
lifted I am
sure 4 new person will be banned and so on.

8.
Has anyone on the list ever wondered why absolutely none of the artist
originally taken part in the Flux festivals ever mind the list? Could it
be that
the list has misunderstood itself?

9.
Somebody on the list, I don't recall who, had the impression that I had
decided
to appoint somebody as listowner. Not true. I just proposed.
I still think Bukoff and the rest of the old listowners should step down
asap.




Best wishes to all and especially to the ones who get it.
Eric Andersen.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread narvis ...pez


yeah!!
vote for g-2000!
he promised a fluxus-fluxlist-fluxsit-fluxist-flixits
god-good comeback
(without video copyrights)

...p



 De: { brad brace } [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Fecha: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:48:06 -0700 (PDT)
 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
 
 On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, narvis  ...pez wrote:
 
 maybe we have an other genius 2000
 or similar god in campaing again?
 
 Well, if this was a _real Fluxist fluxlist, the (apparently)
 one person banned (G-2000), would be the logical choice as
 new (sole) list-owner.
 
 /:b

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread Eric Andersen


I entirely agree to it all / Eric




narvis  ...pez wrote:

 yeah!!
 vote for g-2000!
 he promised a fluxus-fluxlist-fluxsit-fluxist-flixits
 god-good comeback
 (without video copyrights)

 ...p

  De: { brad brace } [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Fecha: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:48:06 -0700 (PDT)
  Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
 
  On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, narvis  ...pez wrote:
 
  maybe we have an other genius 2000
  or similar god in campaing again?
 
  Well, if this was a _real Fluxist fluxlist, the (apparently)
  one person banned (G-2000), would be the logical choice as
  new (sole) list-owner.
 
  /:b

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread Deborah


At 01:01 AM 7/14/01 +0200, you wrote:
As always, ex-listowner Sol doesn't get it.

1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

Best wishes to all and especially to the ones who get it.
Eric Andersen.

yawn

Is this going to be over soon?

Deborah

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread Eric Andersen


Probably not / Eric



Deborah wrote:

 At 01:01 AM 7/14/01 +0200, you wrote:
 As always, ex-listowner Sol doesn't get it.
 
 1.
 
 2.
 
 3.
 
 4.
 
 5.

 6.
 
 7.
 
 8.
 
 9.
 
 Best wishes to all and especially to the ones who get it.
 Eric Andersen.

 yawn

 Is this going to be over soon?

 Deborah

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-13 Thread Tom Grothus


Many of us are already well aware that:

 
  I, [Max Herman] have been on netime, Rhizome, and Fluxlist as a
  first rate pest. I, [Max Herman] tell you this in earnest not to
  brag about myself but to rather convince you that you stand a
  better chance to develop as a genius if your teacher is an evil
  web genius. ... I simply ask that you accept ... that I am a
  genius and you can learn to be a genius from me.
  Copyright © 1999 Max Herman, Genius
 
  I'm extremely guilty of the sin of pride. - Max Herman, Genius
  I think I'm the next Jesus Christ. - Max Herman, Genius
  I think I have the answer for humanity. - Max Herman, Genius
  I think that I understand love better than everybody else.
  - Max Herman, Genius
  If people would just listen to me and learn my wisdom, the world
  would be so good. - Max Herman, Genius
 

That's all I care to hear. If anyone wants to read more, go to the site
http://www.geocities.com/genius-2000/
and read as much of this as you want.

As far as I'm concerned, Max Herman is no John Cage. The roots of Fluxus are
anti-ego. That's the reason for casting dice. The G2K program has nothing to
do with Fluxus and it has no place on Fluxlist.

Tom Grothus


--
 From: narvis  ...pez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
 Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001, 8:25 PM
 

  a nostalgic event on-line
  called
 
  fluxtest x
 
  1. go to your window
   tell the world
  why genius-2000
  must become our meshias
  in no more than 5 seconds
  5 words without pausas
 
  2. take a pause
  came on back to computer
   tell us what you did.
 
  (all fluxlisters are invited to do the job)
 
  ...p
 
 
  De: Eric Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Fecha: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:20:24 +0200
  Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
 
  I entirely agree to it all / Eric
 
 
 
 
  narvis  ...pez wrote:
 
  yeah!!
  vote for g-2000!
  he promised a fluxus-fluxlist-fluxsit-fluxist-flixits
  god-good comeback
  (without video copyrights)
 
  ...p
 
  De: { brad brace } [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Fecha: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:48:06 -0700 (PDT)
  Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
 
  On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, narvis  ...pez wrote:
 
  maybe we have an other genius 2000
  or similar god in campaing again?
 
  Well, if this was a _real Fluxist fluxlist, the (apparently)
  one person banned (G-2000), would be the logical choice as
  new (sole) list-owner.
 
  /:b

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-12 Thread Roger Stevens


So - what is/ was genius 2000?

I (and probably a lot of others)
haven't a clue what anyone's been talking about on this topic these last few
weeks

XXX
Roger

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-12 Thread Sol Nte


Hi Roger and all,

So - what is/ was genius 2000?

It and its creator were the cause of serious flames and tensions on Fluxlist
in the summer of 1999. Mainly because the list was constantly bombarded with
information about it. Nevertheless it was single-handedly responsible for
the need to create a listowner group that could act to stop people behaving
with no regard for others on the list. We just got to a stage where no-one
was posting apart from the Genius 2000 guy. More info is at his website
http://www.geocities.com/genius-2000/

Actually the project itself wasn't what annoyed people it was more the fact
that he had no interest in Fluxlist other than using it to promote the
Genius 2000 concept. Some people on Fluxlist became quite involved with this
project and hopefully they enjoyed it but the real point was that there was
a Genius 2000 list and a large number of mails being sent to Fluxlist at the
time really belonged on their own list.

Anyway I suggest anyone interested has a look at his website and makes up
their own minds. Or you can dig up the posts in the Fluxlist archive at
http://king.dom.de/fluxus/list/

approximately, pages 320-326

cheers,

Sol.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-12 Thread St.Auby Tamas



High, dear Fluxlisters!

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, ann klefstad wrote:

 Low. Genius 2000 was totally, completely, boring, rude, nonconstructive,
 confrontational, one-note, just like all of your posts tend to be. Your
 obligatory cuteness (High! Hugh!) is embarrassing, the content of the
 messages bracketed between them is equally brainless, and your campaign
 against supposed Power is ludicrous. Go grow something, will you?
 Hiccup.

 AK

 St.Auby Tamas wrote:

  High!
 
  Long live Genius 2000!
 
  Hugh!
 
  a101a


IPUT suggests:

let's vote:

Should the Fluxlisters vote about this subject:

Should be ann klefstad excluded from the Fluxlist
for hir uncivilised behavoiur?

Delete

   YESorNO


If the Fluxlisters majority will vote YES,
then we shall vote about the voting about
the exclusion of ann klefstad.

Hugh!

a101a

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-12 Thread Sol Nte


Tamas wrote:

If the Fluxlisters majority will vote YES,
then we shall vote about the voting about
the exclusion of ann klefstad.

My response:

Dear Tamas and Eric,

There is no question of excluding Ann from the list!

I personally have had enough of your tedious agitation on this list. For two
years now every once in a while you seem to do this and it is wearing very
thin!

Thanks to you two, Ken Friedman and others left the list.. I'm not prepared
to see you try to drive off other people or deteriorate this list just for
your own amusement so I'm giving you the choice to either stop this
pointless agitation and contribute to the list in a positive way or I remove
you both from the list permanently ..this decision will NOT be voted
upon apart from by the owner group!

Some of you may think it odd that I would even consider banning an original
Fluxus artist from Fluxlist..perhaps this is why we let Eric and his
sidekick Tamas get away with so much in the pastAnyway George
Maciunas expelled Eric from Fluxus in the sixties so any act that's good
enough for George Maciunas is good enough for me.

To the majority of this list who make wonderful contributions and with whom
it is a pleasure to interact online I can see that you may wonder what all
the fuss is about. If you have the time read the archive reference in my
earlier post and see how nasty things got the last two times Tamas and Eric
decided to complain about the list and attack people on it. I'm afraid that
the sort of majority decisions that these two suggest for Fluxlist leave
Fluxlist open to abuse, their actions have in the past led to the loss of
several contributors to the list and others feeling intimidated about
posting. In fact we've let them both get away with this for far too long.

I apologise to anyone who has just joined the list as it may seem at the
moment that being on this list is somewhat of a waste of time. Please rest
assured that this list has a good culture that is only occasionally
compromised as is occurring at the moment. I hope anyone currently feeling
worried about the list's value sticks with it. Those of you who've been on
the list for a few months or more know that overall it's a great list and
unique in its position on the web. I personally love being on Fluxlist and
get a lot of pleasure from it which is why these two make myself and others
pretty angry.

Anyway, I'm sorry it had to come to this but I hope this is the end of this
nonsense.

cheers,

Sol.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-12 Thread John M. Bennett


I'm with you, Sol! 
Thanks,
John

At 04:27 PM 7/12/01 +0100, you wrote:
Tamas wrote:

If the Fluxlisters majority will vote YES,
then we shall vote about the voting about
the exclusion of ann klefstad.

My response:

Dear Tamas and Eric,

There is no question of excluding Ann from the list!

I personally have had enough of your tedious agitation on this list. For
two
years now every once in a while you seem to do this and it is wearing
very
thin!

Thanks to you two, Ken Friedman and others left the list.. I'm not
prepared
to see you try to drive off other people or deteriorate this list just
for
your own amusement so I'm giving you the choice to either stop this
pointless agitation and contribute to the list in a positive way or I
remove
you both from the list permanently ..this decision will NOT be
voted
upon apart from by the owner group!

Some of you may think it odd that I would even consider banning an
original
Fluxus artist from Fluxlist..perhaps this is why we let Eric and 
his
sidekick Tamas get away with so much in the pastAnyway
George
Maciunas expelled Eric from Fluxus in the sixties so any act that's
good
enough for George Maciunas is good enough for me.

To the majority of this list who make wonderful contributions and with
whom
it is a pleasure to interact online I can see that you may wonder what
all
the fuss is about. If you have the time read the archive reference in
my
earlier post and see how nasty things got the last two times Tamas and
Eric
decided to complain about the list and attack people on it. I'm afraid
that
the sort of majority decisions that these two suggest for Fluxlist
leave
Fluxlist open to abuse, their actions have in the past led to the loss
of
several contributors to the list and others feeling intimidated
about
posting. In fact we've let them both get away with this for far too
long.

I apologise to anyone who has just joined the list as it may seem at
the
moment that being on this list is somewhat of a waste of time. Please
rest
assured that this list has a good culture that is only occasionally
compromised as is occurring at the moment. I hope anyone currently
feeling
worried about the list's value sticks with it. Those of you who've been
on
the list for a few months or more know that overall it's a great list
and
unique in its position on the web. I personally love being on Fluxlist
and
get a lot of pleasure from it which is why these two make myself and
others
pretty angry.

Anyway, I'm sorry it had to come to this but I hope this is the end of
this
nonsense.

cheers,

Sol.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-12 Thread Deborah


At 04:27 PM 7/12/01 +0100, you wrote:
I apologise to anyone who has just joined the list as it may seem at the
moment that being on this list is somewhat of a waste of time. Please rest
assured that this list has a good culture that is only occasionally
compromised as is occurring at the moment.

I've been here only a few months and can attest, as a relatively new 
person, that this is one of the most unique and fascinating lists I've ever 
encountered. This recent volley will surely pass. Hang in all newcomers. 
It's worth the wait.

Deborah

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-12 Thread Losonczi Júlia


Dear John,


 At 11:26 PM 7/11/01, you wrote:
 Low. Genius 2000 was totally, completely, boring, rude, nonconstructive,
 confrontational, one-note, just like all of your posts tend to be.

This is so untrue! It  wasn't.

 Your
 obligatory cuteness (High! Hugh!) is embarrassing, the content of the
 messages bracketed between them is equally brainless, and your campaign
 against supposed Power is ludicrous. Go grow something, will you?

Don't worry, he will, just like he does ALWAYS! Who the fuck you think
yourself? (Excuse me for being rude.)

Please, you grow someting, will you?

Mmmmnope? Mmcan't

love

j
 Hiccup.
 
 AK


 Brava!




 Cheers!

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 795 Mammoth Rd, #23, Manchester, NH 03104
 V: 603 668 5601 F: 707 220 7490
 Trainer at Large/Ace Copywriter
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Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-12 Thread meryl


My goodness! Such an uproar!

I get the feeling I'm the only one who thinks Eric and Tamas are funny.  And
I don't mean that ironically.  More to the point, I believe they are very
much aware that they're being funny.  Everyone always responds to their
posts which such dead earnestness...aincha got no sensa hewma?

Come on kids,

Lighten up.

BadgerGirl

--
From: Eryk Salvaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
Date: Thu, Jul 12, 2001, 5:00 PM


 Sol is over reacting. If you don't like Eric or Tamas, ignore
 them. Censorship and ostracism is never the answer.

 What they are asking for carries no weight, and you are escalating
 the issue and making it appear as though people are listening by
 declaring them a threat to the list. You want to have an interesting
 conversation, start one. Or at worst, Moderate. I may be forced to
 moderate some of my own lists, but I will not go to kicking people
 off who post something I don't like.

 I don't recommend you do it, either.

 -e.

 Sol Nte wrote:

 Tamas wrote:

 If the Fluxlisters majority will vote YES,
 then we shall vote about the voting about
 the exclusion of ann klefstad.

 My response:

 Dear Tamas and Eric,

 There is no question of excluding Ann from the list!

 I personally have had enough of your tedious agitation on this list. For two
 years now every once in a while you seem to do this and it is wearing very
 thin!

 Thanks to you two, Ken Friedman and others left the list.. I'm not prepared
 to see you try to drive off other people or deteriorate this list just for
 your own amusement so I'm giving you the choice to either stop this
 pointless agitation and contribute to the list in a positive way or I remove
 you both from the list permanently ..this decision will NOT be voted
 upon apart from by the owner group!

 Some of you may think it odd that I would even consider banning an original
 Fluxus artist from Fluxlist..perhaps this is why we let Eric and his
 sidekick Tamas get away with so much in the pastAnyway George
 Maciunas expelled Eric from Fluxus in the sixties so any act that's good
 enough for George Maciunas is good enough for me.

 To the majority of this list who make wonderful contributions and with whom
 it is a pleasure to interact online I can see that you may wonder what all
 the fuss is about. If you have the time read the archive reference in my
 earlier post and see how nasty things got the last two times Tamas and Eric
 decided to complain about the list and attack people on it. I'm afraid that
 the sort of majority decisions that these two suggest for Fluxlist leave
 Fluxlist open to abuse, their actions have in the past led to the loss of
 several contributors to the list and others feeling intimidated about
 posting. In fact we've let them both get away with this for far too long.

 I apologise to anyone who has just joined the list as it may seem at the
 moment that being on this list is somewhat of a waste of time. Please rest
 assured that this list has a good culture that is only occasionally
 compromised as is occurring at the moment. I hope anyone currently feeling
 worried about the list's value sticks with it. Those of you who've been on
 the list for a few months or more know that overall it's a great list and
 unique in its position on the web. I personally love being on Fluxlist and
 get a lot of pleasure from it which is why these two make myself and others
 pretty angry.

 Anyway, I'm sorry it had to come to this but I hope this is the end of this
 nonsense.

 cheers,

 Sol.

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-12 Thread narvis ...pez


ooops

if we'll have an election period here
we must have an election campaing previous or not?

maybe we have an other genius 2000
or similar god in campaing again?
 
pez

 De: St.Auby Tamas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Responder a: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Fecha: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:44:32 +0200
 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Asunto: Re: FLUXLIST: test x
 
 
 High, dear Fluxlisters!
 
 On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, ann klefstad wrote:
 
 Low. Genius 2000 was totally, completely, boring, rude, nonconstructive,
 confrontational, one-note, just like all of your posts tend to be. Your
 obligatory cuteness (High! Hugh!) is embarrassing, the content of the
 messages bracketed between them is equally brainless, and your campaign
 against supposed Power is ludicrous. Go grow something, will you?
 Hiccup.
 
 AK
 
 St.Auby Tamas wrote:
 
 High!
 
 Long live Genius 2000!
 
 Hugh!
 
 a101a
 
 
 IPUT suggests:
 
 let's vote:
 
 Should the Fluxlisters vote about this subject:
 
 Should be ann klefstad excluded from the Fluxlist
 for hir uncivilised behavoiur?
 
 Delete
 
 YESorNO
 
 
 If the Fluxlisters majority will vote YES,
 then we shall vote about the voting about
 the exclusion of ann klefstad.
 
 Hugh!
 
 a101a

FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-11 Thread St.Auby Tamas



High!

Long live Genius 2000!

Hugh!

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Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-11 Thread ann klefstad


Low. Genius 2000 was totally, completely, boring, rude, nonconstructive,
confrontational, one-note, just like all of your posts tend to be. Your
obligatory cuteness (High! Hugh!) is embarrassing, the content of the
messages bracketed between them is equally brainless, and your campaign
against supposed Power is ludicrous. Go grow something, will you?
Hiccup.

AK

St.Auby Tamas wrote:

 High!

 Long live Genius 2000!

 Hugh!

 a101a

Re: FLUXLIST: test x

2001-07-11 Thread John Blower


At 11:26 PM 7/11/01, you wrote:
Low. Genius 2000 was totally, completely, boring, rude, nonconstructive,
confrontational, one-note, just like all of your posts tend to be. Your
obligatory cuteness (High! Hugh!) is embarrassing, the content of the
messages bracketed between them is equally brainless, and your campaign
against supposed Power is ludicrous. Go grow something, will you?
Hiccup.

AK


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High!

2000

Hugh!

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High!

Genius

Hugh!

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High!

enius 2000

Hugh!

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