Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2017-03-16 20:52, nore...@z505.com wrote:
> Cool, is it like a quickbooks product?
> Written in fpgui or lazarus lcl?

No, not quite. It is called BS1 Accounts, written by a Canadian using
Delphi 7 I believe. Everything is written using only standard Delphi
components and reporting tools included with Delphi. NO 3rd party
components at all.

BS1 Accounts has been around for absolute ages, and does an amazing
amount of stuff. There are now multiple versions of the product, and the
one targeted for contractors (BS1 Professional Time Billing) are now
free (single user license). It uses multiple different database (SQL)
backends. The one I got is an embedded database (not sure what database
exactly - NexusDB or something I think).


  http://www.dbsonline.com/accounting/


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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Travis Siegel]

I have to say that I'm a big fan of FreeBSD as well.  I have linux 
machines, windows machines, MacOSX machines, and FreeBSD machines, and 
out of all of them, I've had the fewest problems with the FreeBSD 
machines.  As Graham points out, linux machines have a habbit of 
updating everything under the sun just for a simple upgrade, and that 
can get expensive timewise and downloading time invested.  When I need 
to update something in BSD, I just hop over to the packages directory, 
and update that speecific package, and all continues to work as it has.  
FPC isn't always the latest, but since I compiled my own copy, that's 
not really an issue for me.


I too prefer to install from source, since that way, if my particular 
setup encounters a problem (as oes happen from time to time) it's 
relatively easy to solve with some judicial editing of source, then 
recompiling.  Generally, it's quick and simple, and painless.  I Like 
linux too, but for different reasons.  I used to use linux for my 
hosting, but if I ever did the selling hosting services I hosted myself 
thing again, I'd definitely use FreeBSD instead of linux for the servers.




On 3/13/2017 5:45 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

On 2017-03-13 02:50, nore...@z505.com wrote:

What do you mean by binary package systems:
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/pkgng-intro.html

Yes, that. And in Linux terms, it would be *.deb, *.rpm etc files.

To give you an example of "binary package dependency hell" - which I
hate. Say I prefer to run Firebird RDBMS v2.1.x for some specific
reason, but I also like to use the utility FlameRobin to connect and
manage my Firebird databases. Now a new version of FlameRobin comes out,
and it has a feature I would like to use.

With binary packages, they will link FlameRobin to the latest Firebird
v2.5 or now even v3.0 client libraries, which in turn might link to the
Firebird v2.5 or v3.0 Firebird Database Server package.

So if I wanted to upgrade FlameRobin, it would upgrade the database
client libraries and might upgrade the data server. This has actually
happened to me under Ubuntu Linux before.

That is definitely not something I would have liked or wanted. So with
FreeBSD's ports system, everything is more modular and configurable, and
even though everything is also compiled from source code, the FreeBSD
team has made it super simple and uncomplicated (I know nothing about
C/C++ development and I have limit knowledge about Makefiles). The
FreeBSD ports system hides all that from you with simple commands no
matter the ports package.

   $ make config// to configure dependencies and features.

   $ make install clean  // compile, install and clean-up afterwards

   $ make deinstall // uninstall something - without
// recursively uninstalling dependencies or
// dependants.

Also, the base OS installs things in /etc/ and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin.
User installed programs and libraries (both not part of the base OS)
install things into /usr/local/etc/ and /usr/local/bin/
Nice and clear separation, and things NEVER get mixed up.


Regards,
   Graeme




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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2017-03-13 07:46, Luca Olivetti wrote:
> El 13/03/17 a les 00:15, Graeme Geldenhuys ha escrit:
> Basically, it's true that there's no real transition path: ipv6 is 
> useless for servers since they cannot be contacted by ipv4 clients

The problem lies full heartedly with the ISPs as far as I'm concerned.
They are the problem and the bottleneck. They are the ones dragging
their feet.

Any web server software worth using supports both IPv4 and IPv6 for a
very long time already. All OSes worth using have been supporting IPv4
and IPv6 for over a decade.

If ISPs enabled IPv6 faster, then more companies and people can start
serving content via IPv6. Pretty soon, IPv4 would end up being legacy
and could be totally removed a few years later.


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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2017-03-13 01:52, nore...@z505.com wrote:
> Unless you just change the entire bloatware software industry to stop 
> shipping 290 MB products that could be 1MB instead. 

Oh yeah, this is another pet hate of mine. My accounting package is a
5-8MB install and does absolutely everything. Compare that to commercial
off the shelf accounting packages which install 500MB-1GB to run. What
the hell!!

But that's for another discussion. ;-)

Regards,
  Graeme

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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Luca Olivetti]

El 13/03/17 a les 00:15, Graeme Geldenhuys ha escrit:

On 2017-03-12 20:22, Luca Olivetti wrote:

AFAIK it isn't.

https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html


Take everything you read on the Internet with a pinch of salt. :)  That
page seems very old and much out of date. ie: it references multiple
times articles dated cira 2002 - that's 14 years ago.

eg:
"Example of the difference: As of 2002.11, Google hasn't published IPv6
addresses for www.google.com. What exactly is Google's reward for
spending time setting up useless IPv6 addresses for its perfectly
functional IPv4 machines? In contrast, they've had IPv6 software for years."

I've got IPv6 enabled here, and my ISP supports IPv6 fully. I enabled
IPv6 as my preferred IP protocol, and http://ipv6.google.com works
perfectly for me, and many (if not all web servers) will determine the
best protocol to use if both IPv4 and IPv6 are enabled for the same URL.


But, correct me if I'm wrong, if you don't run a dual stack os, you 
can't contact an ipv4 host, on an ipv4 address, from an ipv6 host.
Basically, it's true that there's no real transition path: ipv6 is 
useless for servers since they cannot be contacted by ipv4 clients 
(unless they also have an ipv4 address), and it's equally useless for 
clients (unless, again, they also have an ipv4 address to contact 99% of 
the Internet).



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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[noreply]

On 2017-03-10 17:15, Bo Berglund wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 12:03:12 -0600, nore...@z505.com wrote:


For websites with 10 visitors a day it might suffice... but then if
those 10 visitors download a 5mb file even, it's super slow for 
them...


Maybe ISP upload speeds are better in your country, I don't know, but
IMO upload speeds are still too pathetic and slow for hosing stuff 
from

your own router/server setup from home/work.  Unless you have $1000's
for a fast connection (they used to call them T1? I'm unfamiliar with
what it's called now).


Here in Sweden I am on a 250/100 Mbit/s fiber connection to my home
for 339 SEK/month (that is about 38 USD/month)
That is 100 Mbit/s upload speed.




That's a good deal, almost worth it to move to sweden just for it.
Too bad your country is infected by...
Nope sorry, won't start a Islam rant here.
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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[noreply]

On 2017-03-10 20:36, Travis Siegel wrote:

2 dollarsfor an additional 5GB of storage if you want it regardless of
the plan you choose.  Heck, I'm seriously considering getting one of
these myself, and I don't even have an immediate need for it, just
things I'd like to do that I've been putting off for years.  This
might give me the access to go ahead with loads of plans I've shelved
for lack of proper server access.  Should prove fun and interesting.




Don't forget to compare vultr to competitors as each company has a 
slightly different offering...
All seem to be good. For example DigitalOcean, was mentioned in one of 
my previous posts.


There are other ones that I forget the name of
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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[noreply]

On 2017-03-10 20:35, Travis Siegel wrote:

Just for reference, a T1 hasn't costed thousands of dollars for more
than 20 years.  The last time I had one, it was less than 600 a month,
and that was more than 10 years ago.


Indeed, I only did research on them about 15-20 years ago and haven't 
done any research on them since.


IMO every person should be able to run their own server in their home at 
low cost. ISP's are simply ripping people off, IMO.
It does not cost 600 dollars a month to "ship" electricity to someone's 
house
They have almost no costs involved other than installing the wires and 
boxes and infrastructure. Indeed the infrastructure had up front costs, 
but there is a reason why telephone companies are multi million dollar 
for profit companies: Because suckers pay for their services at inflated 
prices.


Still I'm happy that they give you good download speeds for a good price 
, just not the upload speeds




Of course, these days, with fiber, and highspeed dsl, a T1 line is
relatively useless considering the cost and transfer speeds.



The speeds still are not any faster than a 10/100 network card which is 
very old technology.
I'd like to see internet speeds reach the 1000 speed cards, and for wifi 
to also improve to that.

But this is just a dreamer speaking.

Even usb2.0 speed is pretty slow compared to a 1000 card. So why use 
internet at usb 2.0 speeds or 10/100 card speeds?  But again: just 
dreaming here...

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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[noreply]

On 2017-03-12 18:18, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

On 2017-03-12 21:27, nore...@z505.com wrote:

With 1.8Mbps up link, that's roughly 0.2 mega bytes per second, so, if
you run servers from your home that your customers access, what 
happens

if someone downloads a 100MB file


And that is exactly why I cancelled my VirginMedia contract after 2
weeks (over subscribed area for downloads, and a rubbish upload speed),
and moved back to Sky Broadband which gives me 18Mbps upload speeds, 
and

a much more consistent download speed (never drops below 71Mbps).

Regards,
  Graeme



Okay 18Mbps becomes about 1.8 mega bytes per second, divide 10-50 
customers...


180 Kilobytes per second is a tolerable download speed, but some users 
may complain... as they are used to 500-1500kilobytes download speeds 
;-)


Then if 50 customers... 180 becomes divided by 5, but maybe not likely 
that 50 customers all download a file at the exact same time. Depends 
how "busy" the "busyness" is :-)

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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2017-03-12 21:27, nore...@z505.com wrote:
> Conspiracy theory: they are all purposely limiting upload speeds so we 
> don't run our own servers!


Interesting theory. ;-)

Regards,
  Graeme

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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2017-03-12 20:22, Luca Olivetti wrote:
> AFAIK it isn't.
> 
> https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html

Take everything you read on the Internet with a pinch of salt. :)  That
page seems very old and much out of date. ie: it references multiple
times articles dated cira 2002 - that's 14 years ago.

eg:
"Example of the difference: As of 2002.11, Google hasn't published IPv6
addresses for www.google.com. What exactly is Google's reward for
spending time setting up useless IPv6 addresses for its perfectly
functional IPv4 machines? In contrast, they've had IPv6 software for years."

I've got IPv6 enabled here, and my ISP supports IPv6 fully. I enabled
IPv6 as my preferred IP protocol, and http://ipv6.google.com works
perfectly for me, and many (if not all web servers) will determine the
best protocol to use if both IPv4 and IPv6 are enabled for the same URL.
I've also installed a Firefox add-on which hows me in the URL bar if I'm
talking to a web server using IPv4 or IPv6. I often see IPv6 enabled
these days (and that's not just for Google domains).

Regards,
  Graeme

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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[noreply]

On 2017-03-12 15:22, Luca Olivetti wrote:

El 12/03/17 a les 19:08, Graeme Geldenhuys ha escrit:

On 2017-03-12 16:09, nore...@z505.com wrote:

Won't switching off ipv4 break old software apps?
or backwards compatibility is in place?


As far as I know IPv6 is backwards compatible (in that it can handle
IPv4 traffic)


AFAIK it isn't.


https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html

Bye
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So what does this mean for an old software app written with only ipv4 
sockets procedures that is not updated to ipv6?


There are plenty of old windows nt apps or possibly even old fpc sockets 
apps that were only built for ipv4 at the time.


And what does it mean when an old ipv4 app connects to an ISP that is 
designed for ipv6?

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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Luca Olivetti]

El 12/03/17 a les 19:08, Graeme Geldenhuys ha escrit:

On 2017-03-12 16:09, nore...@z505.com wrote:

Won't switching off ipv4 break old software apps?
or backwards compatibility is in place?


As far as I know IPv6 is backwards compatible (in that it can handle
IPv4 traffic)


AFAIK it isn't.


https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html

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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[David W Noon via fpc-other]

On Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:41:22 +0100, José Mejuto (joshy...@gmail.com)
wrote about "Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server
instances?" (in <4ec7b29b-be2e-dacb-9694-522d0375f...@gmail.com>):

> El 12/03/2017 a las 19:06, Graeme Geldenhuys escribió:
>> On 2017-03-11 17:13, José Mejuto wrote:
>>> IPv6 in most ISPs will continue to be dynamic :-/ which have its
>>> advantages and problems.
>>
>> With my ISP (Sky Broadband in the UK), they allocate a huge amount of
>> IPv6 addresses to each Sky Fibre customers. These addresses don't change
>> as far as I know - unlike the IPv4 ones.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Taken from helpforum.sky.com:
> 
> "... however do note that Sky's IPv6 allocation to you is dynamic, so
> this may change over time."

If you are going to use an IPv6 network at home, you also need to read
RFC 4193, as that is the IPv6 work-alike to RFC 1918.

I have been using IPv6 at home for about 10 years, but the routers run
by my ISP (Virgin Media) either reject IPv6 addresses or go into a state
of catalepsy when they receive a packet with an IPv6 header.
Consequently, IPv6 is still only for internal use.
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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[José Mejuto]

El 12/03/2017 a las 19:06, Graeme Geldenhuys escribió:

On 2017-03-11 17:13, José Mejuto wrote:

IPv6 in most ISPs will continue to be dynamic :-/ which have its
advantages and problems.


With my ISP (Sky Broadband in the UK), they allocate a huge amount of
IPv6 addresses to each Sky Fibre customers. These addresses don't change
as far as I know - unlike the IPv4 ones.



Hello,

Taken from helpforum.sky.com:

"... however do note that Sky's IPv6 allocation to you is dynamic, so 
this may change over time."



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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2017-03-12 16:09, nore...@z505.com wrote:
> Won't switching off ipv4 break old software apps?
> or backwards compatibility is in place?

As far as I know IPv6 is backwards compatible (in that it can handle
IPv4 traffic), but IPv6 has so many benefits and makes so many IPv4
"features" obsolete. IPv6 is also faster than IPv4.

Regards,
  Graeme

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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2017-03-11 17:13, José Mejuto wrote:
> IPv6 in most ISPs will continue to be dynamic :-/ which have its 
> advantages and problems.

With my ISP (Sky Broadband in the UK), they allocate a huge amount of
IPv6 addresses to each Sky Fibre customers. These addresses don't change
as far as I know - unlike the IPv4 ones.

Regards,
  Graeme

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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

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El 11/03/2017 a las 11:04, Graeme Geldenhuys escribió:


Now the only thing remaining is for all ISP's to switch off IPv4 and
only use IPv6 (wishful thinking).


Won't switching off ipv4 break old software apps?
or backwards compatibility is in place?

Yet another latest and greatest I will have to rersearch
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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Allan]

På Fri, 10 Mar 2017 22:08:16 +
Graeme Geldenhuys  skrev:
> On 2017-03-10 17:05, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
> > I see my router has a few such
> > entries like DynDNS.org etc.  
> 
> 
> I just had a look at this. $40 per year, plus another $29 per year for
> Managed DNS support. Without the latter, I'll not be able to redirect
> my purchased domain names to the DynDNS hostname I chose, which in
> turn will redirect to my dynamic IP address.
> 
> That's if I understand it all correctly. So this options is currently
> more expensive than what Vultr offers ($30/yr all in (or $60/yr for a
> bigger package), and I can do what I want on that VPS and easily point
> my DNS entries to the VPS IP address - the latter without extra cost).
> 
> I'll still take a look at other dynamic dns companies too, and see how
> they compare or what they offer.

dyndns.dk is a free service for exactly that.


  Allan.



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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2017-03-11 12:20, Marco van de Voort wrote:
> In most Dutch cities too. I'm currently on 60/60mbps for 65 eur/month triple
> play. (fullhd TV, internet, telephone landline).

VirginMedia has very good triple deals and download speeds. I used to
have 160Mbps down with full HD TV and phone for £30/month. Unfortunately
only a 1.8Mbps up-link.

Then we moved house, and when Virgin finally connected my home (almost 2
years later), I got a 120Mbps connection that dropped to 1Mbps every
single day between 4pm-10pm due to over subscribing and too small
infrastructure. Totally useless, and at the time you need it most
(Netflix and YouTube in the evenings), so switched back to my previous
provider, and it the process lost my static IPv4 address because my
contract lapsed. Then I got the news that they don't offer static IP's
any more. I was pissed off to say the least.

Hence me hunting for a better solution than a Dynamic IP address setup
to host some servers.


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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Marco van de Voort]

In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said:
> > 100 bucks, I'm not complaining, since a standard T1 is only 1.54MBPS.
> 
> Here in the UK they have been trial'ing 1Gbps fiber-to-the-home
> connections in a single town for a couple months now. The rate is
> ?30/month. I can't remember the exact upload speed, I think it was 100Mbps.

In most Dutch cities too. I'm currently on 60/60mbps for 65 eur/month triple
play. (fullhd TV, internet, telephone landline). 100mbps and higher speeds
are also available.

It is a bit expensive though, and I want to downgrade, but they seem to have
abandoned their cheaper offerings. So probably back to cable again soon.

P.s. the best thing about fiber is the latency and general reliability.
(ssh's never time out)
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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2017-03-10 14:53, Santiago A. wrote:
> I register i.e "mycompanyname.dyndns.com", and in the DNS of our hosting
> I add a  CNAME entry "office.mydomain.com" that points to
> "mycompanyname.dyndns.com"

My problem is how do I get "mydomain.com" to point to
"mycompanyname.dyndns.com". As far as I understand you can't change a A
name record to point to another domain name, only a IP address.

Sub-domains are not a problem, as you mentioned, a simple CNAME record
solves that issue.


> For legal reasons our server must be in EU. Our hosting server is in
> Spain. It's not the best (hosting in Spain is expensive),

Voltr is based in Germany I think. Either way, they have a couple
hosting sites in the EU and others scattered around the globe.


> Be careful with very cheap plans. 512 Mb ram may be short, i.e. a
> wordpress doesn't run, crawls, you have errors, services that suddenly

Yeah, if I do decide to go with a VPS solution, I'll not go for less
than 1GB or RAM. I currently run 4 websites (two being Wordpress) and
some other services on a 1GB RAM VM using FreeBSD as the guest OS. I
haven't had any problems for the past 4 years. But yes, I would consider
1GB RAM the minimum.



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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2017-03-11 02:35, Travis Siegel wrote:
> I've not priced them recently, so have no idea what it would cost to get 
> one, but considering I get 25MBPS from my current provider for less than 
> 100 bucks, I'm not complaining, since a standard T1 is only 1.54MBPS.

Here in the UK they have been trial'ing 1Gbps fiber-to-the-home
connections in a single town for a couple months now. The rate is
£30/month. I can't remember the exact upload speed, I think it was 100Mbps.

I currently pay £15/month for a mere 75Mbps, so I'll pay £30 for that
speeds with a smile. If this is what the future Internet in the UK looks
like, I'll be pretty happy.

Now the only thing remaining is for all ISP's to switch off IPv4 and
only use IPv6 (wishful thinking). My ISP already supports IPv6, which is
great. Hopefully when IPv6 finally picks up, they will stop charging us
the ridiculous amounts for static IP addresses.

Regards,
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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Travis Siegel]

2 dollarsfor an additional 5GB of storage if you want it regardless of 
the plan you choose.  Heck, I'm seriously considering getting one of 
these myself, and I don't even have an immediate need for it, just 
things I'd like to do that I've been putting off for years.  This might 
give me the access to go ahead with loads of plans I've shelved for lack 
of proper server access.  Should prove fun and interesting.




On 3/10/2017 5:54 PM, Andreas Berger wrote:
Graeme, a question about Vultr. I looked at it superficially and 
didn't see the answer, but you obviously studied the package well. Can 
I use the VPS for data storage as well. My personal VPS has a small 
CGI program to monitor my clients, but is mostly used to store large 
amounts of logs.


Regards,

Andreas


On 10/03/2017 19:08, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

On 2017-03-10 17:05, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

I see my router has a few such
entries like DynDNS.org etc.


I just had a look at this. $40 per year, plus another $29 per year for
Managed DNS support. Without the latter, I'll not be able to redirect my
purchased domain names to the DynDNS hostname I chose, which in turn
will redirect to my dynamic IP address.

That's if I understand it all correctly. So this options is currently
more expensive than what Vultr offers ($30/yr all in (or $60/yr for a
bigger package), and I can do what I want on that VPS and easily point
my DNS entries to the VPS IP address - the latter without extra cost).

I'll still take a look at other dynamic dns companies too, and see how
they compare or what they offer.

Regards,
   Graeme



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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Travis Siegel]

Just for reference, a T1 hasn't costed thousands of dollars for more 
than 20 years.  The last time I had one, it was less than 600 a month, 
and that was more than 10 years ago.


Of course, these days, with fiber, and highspeed dsl, a T1 line is 
relatively useless considering the cost and transfer speeds.


I've not priced them recently, so have no idea what it would cost to get 
one, but considering I get 25MBPS from my current provider for less than 
100 bucks, I'm not complaining, since a standard T1 is only 1.54MBPS.




On 3/10/2017 6:15 PM, Bo Berglund wrote:

On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 12:03:12 -0600, nore...@z505.com wrote:


For websites with 10 visitors a day it might suffice... but then if
those 10 visitors download a 5mb file even, it's super slow for them...

Maybe ISP upload speeds are better in your country, I don't know, but
IMO upload speeds are still too pathetic and slow for hosing stuff from
your own router/server setup from home/work.  Unless you have $1000's
for a fast connection (they used to call them T1? I'm unfamiliar with
what it's called now).

Here in Sweden I am on a 250/100 Mbit/s fiber connection to my home
for 339 SEK/month (that is about 38 USD/month)
That is 100 Mbit/s upload speed.





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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[José Mejuto]

El 10/03/2017 a las 18:05, Graeme Geldenhuys escribió:


Brilliant idea, thanks for suggesting it. I see my router has a few such
entries like DynDNS.org etc. I'll research this a bit more over the
weekend, and yes it will save me a lot of time (not having to
reconfigure servers from scratch).



Hello,

I'm running a mini VPS (19€/year) where I host minimal services and one 
of them is my own DynIP system (not fully configured right now, 
currently still using No-IP), because free No-IP forces me to "verify" 
still running each month following a link sent by mail.


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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2017-03-10 16:08, Travis Siegel wrote:
> Might save you a whole lot of work and likely to be cheaper than 
> a vpn as well.

Brilliant idea, thanks for suggesting it. I see my router has a few such
entries like DynDNS.org etc. I'll research this a bit more over the
weekend, and yes it will save me a lot of time (not having to
reconfigure servers from scratch).

Regards,
  Graeme

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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 2017-03-10 15:50, nore...@z505.com wrote:
> It's hard to find BSD hosting and digitalocean offers it as you can 
> install your own copy of any OS they have available.

Actually no, there are quite a lot that support FreeBSD VMs. Just last
night I found the following:

 * DigitalOcean
 * Vultr
 * Atlantic.Net
 * RootBSD
 * Cloudsigma
 * Amazon AWS


> The issue with these services is that you have to manage your own 
> server

:) That is exactly what I was looking for. I have different clients
running different versions of WordPress etc. The simple cPanel style
management (some web management interface) can't cater for such situations.

As for FreeBSD updates. That is another reason I switched to FreeBSD
several years ago. The base OS is clearly separated from user installed
software (unlike ALL Linux distros). Upgrading the base FreeBSD OS
(that's the kernel and base utilities and libraries) is an absolute
breeze, and I've never had it fail on me before. I've upgraded many
FreeBSD systems multiple times over the past 4+ years and every time it
worked flawlessly.

As for the user installed programs or services (eg: Apache, Firebird
etc), I always do those via the FreeBSD ports system. And again, that
has worked out very well for me. I don't like binary package systems
(with hard-code dependencies).


> bsd web hosting companies out there. But even if you get a cloud bsd 
> solution, it likely runs on a linux kernel in a vm anyway

Some run Xen on bare metal systems. Vultr utilizes KVM ( Kernel-based
Virtual Machine ) on 100% of their infrastructure.



Regards,
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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[noreply]

On 2017-03-10 07:18, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

Last night I was investigating the idea of moving some of my personal
and company VMs and services to a remote cloud based VPS (Virtual
Private Server).

  eg:
   https://www.vultr.com/
   https://www.vultr.com/pricing/
   https://www.vultr.com/locations/



There is also DigitalOcean, with good pricing.

It's hard to find BSD hosting and digitalocean offers it as you can 
install your own copy of any OS they have available.


The issue with these services is that you have to manage your own 
server, which IMO takes too much time. I'd rather have hostgator deal 
with server issues so I can focus on real work. You have to update your 
OS yourself, do the patches, etc. I'd rather have someone do that for 
me, as that's kind of like taking out the garbage, doing dishes, 
cleaning up php's messes, that I don't want to take the time out to do.


I love the idea of having my own bsd (non gpl) web hosting OS installed 
myself, but then again it likely runs on a virtual linux server anyway 
and is just a bsd vm, so any linux security breaches would still sort of 
be there. And if some bsd distro comes out every 6 months, I would have 
to update it myself every 6 months and supply patches to programs on the 
OS I do't know every few weeks/days which I have no time to do, so a 
managed shared server for $10/month or less works fine for me with 
the exception of the fact that I'm no fan of gpl, and a lot of the 
shared hosting companies are gpl'd linux servers.  There are very few 
bsd web hosting companies out there. But even if you get a cloud bsd 
solution, it likely runs on a linux kernel in a vm anyway

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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Travis Siegel]

There are dynamic dns services that can solve this problem for you.  
Some of them are even supported directly by some routers, so you might 
want to check your router configuration, and see if it has built-in 
support for any of the dynamic dns services, and use that one, so you 
don't have to do anything at all, just set your dns to point to the 
dynamic dns servers, and the ips will change automatically when your ip 
does.  I've used a couple such services in the past, and they've all 
worked fairly well.  I can't use one now, because somehow, my isp blocks 
incoming traffic to server ports, regardless of what I set them to.  
 Might save you a whole lot of work and likely to be cheaper than 
a vpn as well.



On 3/10/2017 8:18 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

Last night I was investigating the idea of moving some of my personal
and company VMs and services to a remote cloud based VPS (Virtual
Private Server).

   eg:
https://www.vultr.com/
https://www.vultr.com/pricing/
https://www.vultr.com/locations/

This seems amazing value. And the problem I currently have with hosting
many of my company services myself (like I've been doing for over 4
years), is that I lost my static IPv4 address and my ISP can't give me a
new one. This year alone my IP address has changed about 5 times, and
that means until I notice or my clients complain, my services can't be
accessed, and I need to keep updating many DNS entries and wait until
they propagate across the globe. I already stopped self-hosting my email
due to this issue. With a VPS I'll get an assigned IPv4 and IPv6 address
and it will stay mine as long as I don't delete the VPS I set up.

I'm not really a big fan of cloud based services, but with Vultr, I can
pick the country I host in (a choice of 15 I think), so that is a big
plus, and the price is really good - starting at $2.50 per month. I also
have a huge choice of various OSes and versions I can use to configure a
VPS (luckily FreeBSD is in that list too), and it takes 60 seconds to
get a new VPS up and running - amazing!

   https://www.vultr.com/faq/#accordion-tech

Are any of you familiar or use with such services? What's your thoughts
on the subject? Privacy, reliability, speed, preferred country of
hosting etc.

They do per hour billing too, so if one wanted to test a new program or
installation on a different OS, this seems a quick and easy way of doing
it too (without having to create tons of different VM's, though I
already have plenty such VM images lying around). So this might not be
such a big "added advantage" for me.

Regards,
   Graeme




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Re: [fpc-other] Your thoughts on cloud based server instances?

[Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis via fpc-other]

Hi Graeme,

Στις 2017-03-10 15:18, Graeme Geldenhuys έγραψε:

Last night I was investigating the idea of moving some of my personal
and company VMs and services to a remote cloud based VPS (Virtual
Private Server).


< snip >


Are any of you familiar or use with such services? What's your thoughts
on the subject? Privacy, reliability, speed, preferred country of
hosting etc.


i'm using host1plus.com for the past 3 years, which AFAIU, is similar 
tovultr.com .


regards,

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