Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Mike Wickham]

Man, I am cursed in this thread. The third link the message below, 
should be http://mikewickham.com/misc/3.gif 
. I left out the misc in the link. D'oh!


Mike Wickham

On 4/15/2021 1:11 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
I set all four colors (CMYK) to process and overprint. Using Save as 
PDF (not print to Adobe PDF).


Below, you can see the PDF with all four plates turned on in Output 
Preview. It is easy to see that yellow is overprinting. It turns green 
on top of cyan, and  easy to see that black is, too-- although not so 
much in this GIF. The black is darker over the cyan, wit the "E" 
showing in two colors, as expected with overprinting. The cyan and 
magenta plates, though, are not correctly overprinting and have 
letters of unchanged color where they are supposed to overprint:


CMYK 

Below is the PDF with the black and yellow plates turned off. You can 
see that they were overprinted. The full cyan plate remains:


CM plates only 

Below is the image with the magenta plate turned off. You can see that 
it knocks out the cyan plate, even though all colors are set to 
overprint:


CYK only 

And below is the cyan plate turned off. It knocks out the yellow 
plate, even though all colors are set to overprint:


MYK only 

So there is definitely some error in the process. Overprinting works 
with black and yellow plates, but not cyan and magenta. The Object 
Inspector in Acrobat works similarly to your Quite Revealing. It 
accurately shows what the PDF presents, i.e. overprint=true for black 
and yellow, but false for cyan and magenta. I confirmed this by 
printing to a Xerox Phaser CMYK printer to be sure it wasn't a display 
artifact.


I cannot figure out why overprints are only flowing to the PDF for two 
of the four plates! All four color definitions are set to Process 
Overprint in FrameMaker.


Mike Wickham


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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Mike Wickham]

I set all four colors (CMYK) to process and overprint. Using Save as PDF 
(not print to Adobe PDF).


Below, you can see the PDF with all four plates turned on in Output 
Preview. It is easy to see that yellow is overprinting. It turns green 
on top of cyan, and  easy to see that black is, too-- although not so 
much in this GIF. The black is darker over the cyan, wit the "E" showing 
in two colors, as expected with overprinting. The cyan and magenta 
plates, though, are not correctly overprinting and have letters of 
unchanged color where they are supposed to overprint:


CMYK 

Below is the PDF with the black and yellow plates turned off. You can 
see that they were overprinted. The full cyan plate remains:


CM plates only 

Below is the image with the magenta plate turned off. You can see that 
it knocks out the cyan plate, even though all colors are set to overprint:


CYK only 

And below is the cyan plate turned off. It knocks out the yellow plate, 
even though all colors are set to overprint:


MYK only 

So there is definitely some error in the process. Overprinting works 
with black and yellow plates, but not cyan and magenta. The Object 
Inspector in Acrobat works similarly to your Quite Revealing. It 
accurately shows what the PDF presents, i.e. overprint=true for black 
and yellow, but false for cyan and magenta. I confirmed this by printing 
to a Xerox Phaser CMYK printer to be sure it wasn't a display artifact.


I cannot figure out why overprints are only flowing to the PDF for two 
of the four plates! All four color definitions are set to Process 
Overprint in FrameMaker.


Mike Wickham
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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Mike Wickham]

Dang, my graphics didn't come through and I just found that I need to 
link them. I will repost with links.


Mike Wickham

On 4/15/2021 11:58 AM, Mike Wickham wrote:
I set all four colors (CMYK) to process and overprint. Using Save as 
PDF (not print to Adobe PDF).


Below, you can see the PDF with all four plates turned on in Output 
Preview. It is easy to see that yellow is overprinting. It turns green 
on top of cyan, and  easy to see that black is, too-- although not so 
much in this GIF. The black is darker over the cyan, wit the "E" 
showing in two colors, as expected with overprinting. The cyan and 
magenta plates, though, are not correctly overprinting and have 
letters of unchanged color where they are supposed to overprint:


CMYK

Below is the PDF with the black and yellow plates turned off. You can 
see that they were overprinted. The full cyan plate remains:


CM plates only

Below is the image with the magenta plate turned off. You can see that 
it knocks out the cyan plate, even though all colors are set to 
overprint:


CYK only

And below is the cyan plate turned off. It knocks out the yellow 
plate, even though all colors are set to overprint:


MYK only

So there is definitely some error in the process. Overprinting works 
with black and yellow plates, but not cyan and magenta. The Object 
Inspector in Acrobat works similarly to your Quite Revealing. It 
accurately shows what the PDF presents, i.e. overprint=true for black 
and yellow, but false for cyan and magenta. I confirmed this by 
printing to a Xerox Phaser CMYK printer to be sure it wasn't a display 
artifact.


I cannot figure out why overprints are only flowing to the PDF for two 
of the four plates! All four color definitions are set to Process 
Overprint in FrameMaker.


Mike Wickham
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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Mike Wickham]

I set all four colors (CMYK) to process and overprint. Using Save as PDF 
(not print to Adobe PDF).


Below, you can see the PDF with all four plates turned on in Output 
Preview. It is easy to see that yellow is overprinting. It turns green 
on top of cyan, and  easy to see that black is, too-- although not so 
much in this GIF. The black is darker over the cyan, wit the "E" showing 
in two colors, as expected with overprinting. The cyan and magenta 
plates, though, are not correctly overprinting and have letters of 
unchanged color where they are supposed to overprint:


CMYK

Below is the PDF with the black and yellow plates turned off. You can 
see that they were overprinted. The full cyan plate remains:


CM plates only

Below is the image with the magenta plate turned off. You can see that 
it knocks out the cyan plate, even though all colors are set to overprint:


CYK only

And below is the cyan plate turned off. It knocks out the yellow plate, 
even though all colors are set to overprint:


MYK only

So there is definitely some error in the process. Overprinting works 
with black and yellow plates, but not cyan and magenta. The Object 
Inspector in Acrobat works similarly to your Quite Revealing. It 
accurately shows what the PDF presents, i.e. overprint=true for black 
and yellow, but false for cyan and magenta. I confirmed this by printing 
to a Xerox Phaser CMYK printer to be sure it wasn't a display artifact.


I cannot figure out why overprints are only flowing to the PDF for two 
of the four plates! All four color definitions are set to Process 
Overprint in FrameMaker.


Mike Wickham
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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Mike,

in the office where I work, we still have the old FM 10 installed.

I checked this here and it is still the same as with the other FM 
versions. (BTW, I always work with "save as PDF", stopped using the 
print to ps-file nonsense in 2007 with FM 8.)


Well, how do you know that there is an overprint?
This will be decided while effectively printing or separating, it cannot 
be seen as such in the PDF. (Not in my test...)


Here is the result, checked with the "Quite revealing" tool.
The black color was successfully set to "overprint" in FM 8, FM 10 and 
FM 2017:


The rectangle behind is defined as knockout (both screenshots show the 
same area of the PDF).


Best -- Tino (Heiko)

2021-04-15 05:33 Mike Wickham:

Ok, this has gotten way weirder, but I have managed a partial solution 
that lets me create this particular file the way I want. I suspect the 
book will bomb out, though. I've always had trouble getting Save as PDF 
to work with books. Here is what fixed it enough for now:


1. I used Save as PDF. Print to PDF does not seem capable of passing 
overprints to PDF. But, even using Save as PDF, Acrobat may say "Page 
has Overprint: Yes," but still knockout backgrounds.


2. Changing ink from 100% black to 99% black in my Overprint Black 
color definition, makes it overprint. Oddly, creating an Overprint 
Yellow at 100% works fine. Magenta and Cyan do not overprint, even at 
99% ink. Fortunately, I only need black to work in this book.


Anyway, I've been troubleshooting for two days. As long as black works, 
I'm probably okay. I'll be back if I can't get the whole book to Save 
as PDF.


And, a final note to Heiko, I'm curious how you created your PDF and if 
you actually turned off individual ink plates to see if overprints 
actually worked or if Acrobat was just lying to you, like it did to me! 
:)


Mike Wickham

On 4/14/2021 3:16 PM, Heiko Haida wrote:


Hi Mike,

I checked using a simple rectangle and some text.
I checked the behaviour with FM 8 and FM 2017 (no FM10 installed)

Changing the color definition to "overprint" worked, as the pdf has 
marked the black color as "overprint".


Here the info in the Acrobat "output preview" tool for the modified 
file:


In case the normal color definition is used, "Page has Overprint" will 
show a "No" in the resulting PDF.


I cannot say more about this.
Of course, for overprint or knock-out to become visible or effective, 
a separation is necessary.


Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Mike Wickham]

Ok, this has gotten way weirder, but I have managed a partial solution 
that lets me create this particular file the way I want. I suspect the 
book will bomb out, though. I've always had trouble getting Save as PDF 
to work with books. Here is what fixed it enough for now:


1. I used Save as PDF. Print to PDF does not seem capable of passing 
overprints to PDF. But, even using Save as PDF, Acrobat may say "Page 
has Overprint: Yes," but still knockout backgrounds.


2. Changing ink from 100% black to 99% black in my Overprint Black color 
definition, makes it overprint. Oddly, creating an Overprint Yellow at 
100% works fine. Magenta and Cyan do not overprint, even at 99% ink. 
Fortunately, I only need black to work in this book.


Anyway, I've been troubleshooting for two days. As long as black works, 
I'm probably okay. I'll be back if I can't get the whole book to Save as 
PDF.


And, a final note to Heiko, I'm curious how you created your PDF and if 
you actually turned off individual ink plates to see if overprints 
actually worked or if Acrobat was just lying to you, like it did to me! :)


Mike Wickham

On 4/14/2021 3:16 PM, Heiko Haida wrote:


Hi Mike,

I checked using a simple rectangle and some text.
I checked the behaviour with FM 8 and FM 2017 (no FM10 installed)

Changing the color definition to "overprint" worked, as the pdf has 
marked the black color as "overprint".


Here the info in the Acrobat "output preview" tool for the modified file:

In case the normal color definition is used, "Page has Overprint" will 
show a "No" in the resulting PDF.


I cannot say more about this.
Of course, for overprint or knock-out to become visible or effective, 
a separation is necessary.


Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Mike Wickham]

Well, hmmf. Mine says "Page has Overprint: No," and knocks out 
everything below it. I even tried using a drawn rectangle on the body 
page, as you did, instead of a background graphic. Same result. I also 
tried setting the color definition of regular black to overprint. Same 
result. So there must be a bug in my FM10 or Acrobat 2017. I wonder if I 
have a plugin that conflicts and causes the failure.


Mike

On 4/14/2021 3:16 PM, Heiko Haida wrote:


Hi Mike,

I checked using a simple rectangle and some text.
I checked the behaviour with FM 8 and FM 2017 (no FM10 installed)

Changing the color definition to "overprint" worked, as the pdf has 
marked the black color as "overprint".


Here the info in the Acrobat "output preview" tool for the modified file:

In case the normal color definition is used, "Page has Overprint" will 
show a "No" in the resulting PDF.


I cannot say more about this.
Of course, for overprint or knock-out to become visible or effective, 
a separation is necessary.


Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Peter Gold]

I’m just wondering if your concern is in regard to printing on a printer
you control, or a print vendor. Registration IIRC relates to print
processes that involve multiple passes (AKA the old way.) Have you found
issues with misregistration on printers you control, or your client's
printers? If the job will go to a print provider, ask them what they need
you to supply.

HTH

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 1:26 PM Mike Wickham  wrote:

> In the meantime, I believe I've found the sad answer to my question.
> Overprint settings only work when printing _separations_ to PDF. This is
> ridiculous! They should work on composite PDFs, too!
>
> So, in the end, creating an Overprint Black color definition,and
> assigning it to appropriate paragraph formats on the body page and to
> the line rules on the master page is all that is necessary. It just does
> not work with composite PDFs. Does anyone send separations to their
> printer, rather than a composite PDF in this day and age?
>
> Mike Wickham
> >> Hi, all,
> >>
> >> I'm having issues getting overprint settings to work. I have a document
> >> that has a full-page, solid-color graphic imported and filling the
> >> entire master page background. So the page is not white, but has a
> >> color. I want to overprint black text on it, rather than have the text
> >> knockout the background and risk registration issues at press time. But
> >> I cannot get overprint to work. The text keeps knocking out the
> >> background. Here is what I have done:
> >>
> >> 1. I created a color definition called Overprint Black, set to Process,
> >> CMYK, 0% CMY and 100% black, and Overprint.
> >>
> >> 2. I assigned Overprint Black as the text color for all text formats on
> >> the body page. I thought this would be enough, but it wasn't so, I did
> >> the following in progressive steps.
> >>
> >> 3. On the master page, I set Object Properties of all text frames and
> >> the background EPS graphic to Overprint. I found some Adobe help that
> >> says that EPS files don't overprint, so I tried with a TIF background
> >> graphic instead. Same result.
> >>
> >> 4. On the reference page, I set the Object Properties of the Single Line
> >> background frame item (there are a couple of these on the page) to
> >> Color: Overprint Black and Overprint: Overprint.
> >>
> >> So I have text color, text frames, and even the graphic (though it is
> >> behind everything) set to overprint. I expect text and single line rules
> >> to overprint the colored background graphic. But they all knock out the
> >> background graphic.
> >>
> >> Using File>Print with printer set to Adobe PDF (with and without print
> >> to file) I generate a complete PDF, using FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat
> >> 2017. The PDF is beautiful, but the Object Inspector in Acrobat shows
> >> "Overprint=False" for everything. And if I look at separations, the
> >> non-black plates are, indeed, knocked out.
> >>
> >> I have been away from FrameMaker for a while, so am a little rusty. What
> >> am I missing? Why is Overprint not working?
> >>
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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Mike,

I checked using a simple rectangle and some text.
I checked the behaviour with FM 8 and FM 2017 (no FM10 installed)

Changing the color definition to "overprint" worked, as the pdf has 
marked the black color as "overprint".


Here the info in the Acrobat "output preview" tool for the modified 
file:


In case the normal color definition is used, "Page has Overprint" will 
show a "No" in the resulting PDF.


I cannot say more about this.
Of course, for overprint or knock-out to become visible or effective, a 
separation is necessary.


Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

---

2021-04-14 05:04, Mike Wickham:


Hi, all,

I'm having issues getting overprint settings to work. I have a document 
that has a full-page, solid-color graphic imported and filling the 
entire master page background. So the page is not white, but has a 
color. I want to overprint black text on it, rather than have the text 
knockout the background and risk registration issues at press time. But 
I cannot get overprint to work. The text keeps knocking out the 
background. Here is what I have done:


1. I created a color definition called Overprint Black, set to Process, 
CMYK, 0% CMY and 100% black, and Overprint.


2. I assigned Overprint Black as the text color for all text formats on 
the body page. I thought this would be enough, but it wasn't so, I did 
the following in progressive steps.


3. On the master page, I set Object Properties of all text frames and 
the background EPS graphic to Overprint. I found some Adobe help that 
says that EPS files don't overprint, so I tried with a TIF background 
graphic instead. Same result.


4. On the reference page, I set the Object Properties of the Single 
Line background frame item (there are a couple of these on the page) to 
Color: Overprint Black and Overprint: Overprint.


So I have text color, text frames, and even the graphic (though it is 
behind everything) set to overprint. I expect text and single line 
rules to overprint the colored background graphic. But they all knock 
out the background graphic.


Using File>Print with printer set to Adobe PDF (with and without print 
to file) I generate a complete PDF, using FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat 
2017. The PDF is beautiful, but the Object Inspector in Acrobat shows 
"Overprint=False" for everything. And if I look at separations, the 
non-black plates are, indeed, knocked out.


I have been away from FrameMaker for a while, so am a little rusty. 
What am I missing? Why is Overprint not working?


Mike Wickham
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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Lin Sims]

Whoa, I hadn't noticed the versions you were using. For all I know, it's
been fixed since FM 10. FM got an entirely new PDF engine in FM 2019.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 2:57 PM Lin Sims  wrote:

> I'm the wrong person to ask. :-)
>
> I would suggest logging a bug or feature request at the Adobe Tracker:
> https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 2:26 PM Mike Wickham  wrote:
>
>> In the meantime, I believe I've found the sad answer to my question.
>> Overprint settings only work when printing _separations_ to PDF. This is
>> ridiculous! They should work on composite PDFs, too!
>>
>> So, in the end, creating an Overprint Black color definition,and
>> assigning it to appropriate paragraph formats on the body page and to
>> the line rules on the master page is all that is necessary. It just does
>> not work with composite PDFs. Does anyone send separations to their
>> printer, rather than a composite PDF in this day and age?
>>
>> Mike Wickham
>> >> Hi, all,
>> >>
>> >> I'm having issues getting overprint settings to work. I have a document
>> >> that has a full-page, solid-color graphic imported and filling the
>> >> entire master page background. So the page is not white, but has a
>> >> color. I want to overprint black text on it, rather than have the text
>> >> knockout the background and risk registration issues at press time. But
>> >> I cannot get overprint to work. The text keeps knocking out the
>> >> background. Here is what I have done:
>> >>
>> >> 1. I created a color definition called Overprint Black, set to Process,
>> >> CMYK, 0% CMY and 100% black, and Overprint.
>> >>
>> >> 2. I assigned Overprint Black as the text color for all text formats on
>> >> the body page. I thought this would be enough, but it wasn't so, I did
>> >> the following in progressive steps.
>> >>
>> >> 3. On the master page, I set Object Properties of all text frames and
>> >> the background EPS graphic to Overprint. I found some Adobe help that
>> >> says that EPS files don't overprint, so I tried with a TIF background
>> >> graphic instead. Same result.
>> >>
>> >> 4. On the reference page, I set the Object Properties of the Single
>> Line
>> >> background frame item (there are a couple of these on the page) to
>> >> Color: Overprint Black and Overprint: Overprint.
>> >>
>> >> So I have text color, text frames, and even the graphic (though it is
>> >> behind everything) set to overprint. I expect text and single line
>> rules
>> >> to overprint the colored background graphic. But they all knock out the
>> >> background graphic.
>> >>
>> >> Using File>Print with printer set to Adobe PDF (with and without print
>> >> to file) I generate a complete PDF, using FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat
>> >> 2017. The PDF is beautiful, but the Object Inspector in Acrobat shows
>> >> "Overprint=False" for everything. And if I look at separations, the
>> >> non-black plates are, indeed, knocked out.
>> >>
>> >> I have been away from FrameMaker for a while, so am a little rusty.
>> What
>> >> am I missing? Why is Overprint not working?
>> >>
>> >> Mike Wickham
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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Lin Sims]

I'm the wrong person to ask. :-)

I would suggest logging a bug or feature request at the Adobe Tracker:
https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 2:26 PM Mike Wickham  wrote:

> In the meantime, I believe I've found the sad answer to my question.
> Overprint settings only work when printing _separations_ to PDF. This is
> ridiculous! They should work on composite PDFs, too!
>
> So, in the end, creating an Overprint Black color definition,and
> assigning it to appropriate paragraph formats on the body page and to
> the line rules on the master page is all that is necessary. It just does
> not work with composite PDFs. Does anyone send separations to their
> printer, rather than a composite PDF in this day and age?
>
> Mike Wickham
> >> Hi, all,
> >>
> >> I'm having issues getting overprint settings to work. I have a document
> >> that has a full-page, solid-color graphic imported and filling the
> >> entire master page background. So the page is not white, but has a
> >> color. I want to overprint black text on it, rather than have the text
> >> knockout the background and risk registration issues at press time. But
> >> I cannot get overprint to work. The text keeps knocking out the
> >> background. Here is what I have done:
> >>
> >> 1. I created a color definition called Overprint Black, set to Process,
> >> CMYK, 0% CMY and 100% black, and Overprint.
> >>
> >> 2. I assigned Overprint Black as the text color for all text formats on
> >> the body page. I thought this would be enough, but it wasn't so, I did
> >> the following in progressive steps.
> >>
> >> 3. On the master page, I set Object Properties of all text frames and
> >> the background EPS graphic to Overprint. I found some Adobe help that
> >> says that EPS files don't overprint, so I tried with a TIF background
> >> graphic instead. Same result.
> >>
> >> 4. On the reference page, I set the Object Properties of the Single Line
> >> background frame item (there are a couple of these on the page) to
> >> Color: Overprint Black and Overprint: Overprint.
> >>
> >> So I have text color, text frames, and even the graphic (though it is
> >> behind everything) set to overprint. I expect text and single line rules
> >> to overprint the colored background graphic. But they all knock out the
> >> background graphic.
> >>
> >> Using File>Print with printer set to Adobe PDF (with and without print
> >> to file) I generate a complete PDF, using FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat
> >> 2017. The PDF is beautiful, but the Object Inspector in Acrobat shows
> >> "Overprint=False" for everything. And if I look at separations, the
> >> non-black plates are, indeed, knocked out.
> >>
> >> I have been away from FrameMaker for a while, so am a little rusty. What
> >> am I missing? Why is Overprint not working?
> >>
> >> Mike Wickham
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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Mike Wickham]

In the meantime, I believe I've found the sad answer to my question. 
Overprint settings only work when printing _separations_ to PDF. This is 
ridiculous! They should work on composite PDFs, too!


So, in the end, creating an Overprint Black color definition,and 
assigning it to appropriate paragraph formats on the body page and to 
the line rules on the master page is all that is necessary. It just does 
not work with composite PDFs. Does anyone send separations to their 
printer, rather than a composite PDF in this day and age?


Mike Wickham

Hi, all,

I'm having issues getting overprint settings to work. I have a document
that has a full-page, solid-color graphic imported and filling the
entire master page background. So the page is not white, but has a
color. I want to overprint black text on it, rather than have the text
knockout the background and risk registration issues at press time. But
I cannot get overprint to work. The text keeps knocking out the
background. Here is what I have done:

1. I created a color definition called Overprint Black, set to Process,
CMYK, 0% CMY and 100% black, and Overprint.

2. I assigned Overprint Black as the text color for all text formats on
the body page. I thought this would be enough, but it wasn't so, I did
the following in progressive steps.

3. On the master page, I set Object Properties of all text frames and
the background EPS graphic to Overprint. I found some Adobe help that
says that EPS files don't overprint, so I tried with a TIF background
graphic instead. Same result.

4. On the reference page, I set the Object Properties of the Single Line
background frame item (there are a couple of these on the page) to
Color: Overprint Black and Overprint: Overprint.

So I have text color, text frames, and even the graphic (though it is
behind everything) set to overprint. I expect text and single line rules
to overprint the colored background graphic. But they all knock out the
background graphic.

Using File>Print with printer set to Adobe PDF (with and without print
to file) I generate a complete PDF, using FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat
2017. The PDF is beautiful, but the Object Inspector in Acrobat shows
"Overprint=False" for everything. And if I look at separations, the
non-black plates are, indeed, knocked out.

I have been away from FrameMaker for a while, so am a little rusty. What
am I missing? Why is Overprint not working?

Mike Wickham
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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Lin Sims]

I don't have an answer for you, because I've never worked with printhouses
or FM's printer capabilities. However, both Bob Niland and Matt Sullivan
hang out on the Adobe FrameMaker community, and they do have experience
with both. I suggest you post your question there and @ them to get their
attention.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker

Good luck.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 11:05 PM Mike Wickham  wrote:

> Hi, all,
>
> I'm having issues getting overprint settings to work. I have a document
> that has a full-page, solid-color graphic imported and filling the
> entire master page background. So the page is not white, but has a
> color. I want to overprint black text on it, rather than have the text
> knockout the background and risk registration issues at press time. But
> I cannot get overprint to work. The text keeps knocking out the
> background. Here is what I have done:
>
> 1. I created a color definition called Overprint Black, set to Process,
> CMYK, 0% CMY and 100% black, and Overprint.
>
> 2. I assigned Overprint Black as the text color for all text formats on
> the body page. I thought this would be enough, but it wasn't so, I did
> the following in progressive steps.
>
> 3. On the master page, I set Object Properties of all text frames and
> the background EPS graphic to Overprint. I found some Adobe help that
> says that EPS files don't overprint, so I tried with a TIF background
> graphic instead. Same result.
>
> 4. On the reference page, I set the Object Properties of the Single Line
> background frame item (there are a couple of these on the page) to
> Color: Overprint Black and Overprint: Overprint.
>
> So I have text color, text frames, and even the graphic (though it is
> behind everything) set to overprint. I expect text and single line rules
> to overprint the colored background graphic. But they all knock out the
> background graphic.
>
> Using File>Print with printer set to Adobe PDF (with and without print
> to file) I generate a complete PDF, using FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat
> 2017. The PDF is beautiful, but the Object Inspector in Acrobat shows
> "Overprint=False" for everything. And if I look at separations, the
> non-black plates are, indeed, knocked out.
>
> I have been away from FrameMaker for a while, so am a little rusty. What
> am I missing? Why is Overprint not working?
>
> Mike Wickham
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