Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
On Tue, 2015-06-02 at 10:39 -0400, John Hupp wrote: On 5/30/2015 4:29 PM, John Hupp wrote: I have 3 old ISA sound cards that I was trying to get working in an a useful search term is ABANDONWARE. Sometimes exploring that can reveal hidden treasure. CWSIV -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
Hi, Just a few more tidbits: On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: I did test a bunch of things on my old P4. Most of it didn't work. I've forgotten most of the programs I stumbled upon back in the day. Even then, I didn't use them enough to claim to be intimately familiar with them. One such app (I think?) was Damp (WIP), an old DJGPP-based .MP3 player, but even that doesn't work on my P4. Of course, that's no surprise since it's apparently Allegro-based. Oops, I take it back, even he admits (2001) in his README.TXT to preferably use SB16 or download the Linux driver source code ... and write a full Live! driver for Allegro (which of course no one did, apparently). Allegro doesn't support DOS anymore, so the last version we have is 4.2.2 circa 2007 (on DJGPP mirrors: /v2tk/allegro). Almost the only thing that did work was PC speaker. At least some rare tools support that: Impulse Tracker does (optionally) work with PC speaker output, so it works. (But it's hard to hear with the a/c running. Yeah, gotta get rid of the smell of burnt noodles, doh! I can't cook, sigh.) Another program that I forgot about is RealMIDI, which FreeDOS mirrors for us: http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=realmidi While it doesn't work with all .MID files (sadly, my favorite MAPLELEF.MID that I found years ago), it does (optionally) have a .WAV writer, so you can later use the (included!) PLAY.EXE to play .WAV through PC speaker as well. The simplistic (single-tone) MIDIPLAY works with MAPLELEF.MID, but it assumes that the highest note is always the main melody, which isn't always true. Cubic Player may have a .WAV writer too, I can't remember. Oh, and let's not forget Trixter's Monotone (PC speaker) tracker. ;-) Obviously it's better to have proper sound support, but (as cheesy as it sounds) I still think PC speaker is better than nothing. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
In the past I had half a dozen machines with various ESS chipsets which were (mostly) SB Pro compatible. Under DOS I would run ESSCFG followed by ESSVOL, and maybe set a BLASTER environment variable (or did the utility do that itself??? I can't remember) and then it would work. Check this archive http://www.hyakushiki.net/essdos.zip On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 10:46:04 -0400, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every SB/ESS driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it worked. For my modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly ESS or Yamaha) I can only get sound through the internal speaker, but MPXPLAY QView work through the lineout - I think any successful configuration will be a compromise. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I've quit working on it for a while. Tried every address and interupt I can think of. None work I think the chip is in off mode and needs to be turned on by windows. These sound drivers work on sound blaster cards but not on a laptop with ESS. cheers DS On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:18:52 +0200 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de writes: Hi! What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to the background and they work but who wants that. There are many different ESS chips, so more information is needed: http://support.toshiba.com/support/viewContentDetail?contentId=107869 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_AudioPCI http://www.daqarta.com/ess.htm What would also help is a tool to detect I/O base, IRQ and DMA details without hanging. No matter which card you have, often one or several of those aspects go wrong. In particular with PCI cards trying to be compatible to ISA SoundBlaster standards of any type, failing DMA and mis-routed IRQ signals are a common source of havoc. In some cases, it even is a hardware problem (a new mainboard cannot make PCI stuff look sufficiently ISA compatible any more). With SB Live, SB PCI and the ESS Ensoniq Audio PCI, the SoundBlaster compatibility even is a completely fake driver generated virtual hardware experience in the first place. Regards, Eric - - ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/556f0deaaf252dea23d8mp07duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
I like to play cds with SJGPlay which is a great dos cd player. I also use PV and quickview to watch home movies. They work well on my desktop but not on the laptop unless Windows is there. I'm running DOS on cf chips without Windows. I could also could use a method to control screen resolution. The standard screen doctor dosn't seem to work here. cheers DS On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 11:33:09 -0500 Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com writes: Hi, On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to the background and they work but who wants that. But what kinds of things are you trying to play on it?? What file formats or programs?? Are you just looking for a universal driver that emulates ye olde SB16 entirely (100%), thus working with (almost) all classic DOS software?? Allegro 4.2.2 was the last DJGPP release, AFAIK. One of their examples was PLAY.EXE, which could play *.mid or *.voc or *.wav. I'm not sure if you need an additional PATCHES.DAT file (converted by pat2dat on Soundfont .sf2 or whatever) for your particular machine. Heck, maybe your machine isn't (properly) supported, dunno. All I'm saying is that one of the few well-supported libraries / toolsets was Allegro, so (generally speaking) it is one of the foremost things to test if you're trying to see if your sound hardware works under DOS. (Actually, I don't remember if PLAY.EXE was broken / regressed since Allegro 3.1.2. I had put the older .EXE on my RUFFIDEA, and it worked on my old AWE64, but that was years ago. No idea if either will truly work for you, but it's worth a shot. Well, 4.2.2's version works fine under DOSBox [SB16/OPL3], at least.) http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/djgpp/current/v2tk/allegro/ http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/dl/ofc/current/v2tk/allegro/all422b.zip/alle gro/bin/play.exe A quick run of PLAY.EXE (without filename) shows the following supported hardware: === Sound code test program for Allegro 4.2.2, djgpp By Shawn Hargreaves, 2007 Usage: play [digital driver [midi driver]] files.(mid|voc|wav) Digital drivers: ESC - Soundscape ESS - ESS AudioDrive WSS - Windows Sound System SB16- Sound Blaster 16 SBP - Sound Blaster Pro SB20- Sound Blaster 2.0 SB15- Sound Blaster 1.5 SB10- Sound Blaster 1.0 MIDI drivers: AWE - AWE32/EMU8000 DIGI- DIGMID OPL3- Adlib (OPL3) OPLX- Adlib (dual OPL2) OPL2- Adlib (OPL2) MPU - MPU-401 SB - SB MIDI interface If you don't specify the card, Allegro will auto-detect (ie. guess :-) === - - ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/557062f49c7a962f451b2mp09duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
Hi, On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: For the Dell sound, its a chip soldered on the main board. You could check with PCISLEEP for DOS or LSPCI for Linux or any similar tool for Windows what chip it is. Presumably by running pcisleep l? http://ericauer.cosmodata.virtuaserver.com.br/soft/pcisleep-2005mar12.zip IIRC, my old P4 says Creative, but it didn't tell me enough to know more than that. You'd have to search further online: http://pciids.sourceforge.net/ I don't know if that directly helped me or not. I don't remember the details, but my P4's card is apparently SB Live! (aka, EMU10k1), which is not (directly) DOS friendly! There are various hardware detection programs out in the wild, but I just don't know which ones are any good. (I've been saying for years that FD UTIL's COMPINFO needs serious fixing.) Maybe this one is still semi-reliable? http://www.navsoft.cz/nssi060.exe ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/utildiag/nssi060.zip Any better ideas? -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
Hi again, On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I've quit working on it for a while. Tried every address and interupt I can think of. None work I think the chip is in off mode and needs to be turned on by windows. These sound drivers work on sound blaster cards but not on a laptop with ESS. Just for completeness, here's two driver sites that sound promising. If you have some extra hours one day and want to go digging around (and fiddling, natch), take a look: 1). http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/ 2). http://files.mpoli.fi/hardware/SOUND/ N.B. The second site has a (very small) ESS/ subdir, but it does have Win 3.x drivers (which presumably means DOS-friendly). -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on
an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on
somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the
drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to
the background and they work but who wants that.
cheers
DS
On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 07:37:56 -0500 Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com writes:
Hi,
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Dale E Sterner
sunbeam...@juno.com wrote:
Have the same problem with a DELL laptop. Tried a few dozen
drivers
and none worked.
What stuff are you trying to run anyways? Games? Audio CD? MP3?
WAV?
MOD? MID? AVI?
I did test a bunch of things on my old P4 [EMU10k1]. Most of it
didn't work
Now I remember an old freeware module player called LMP ('L' for SB
Live!), which does actually work, too.
ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/sound/lmp09.zip
So, just in general, it's not that literally nothing works, just
sometimes it's hard to find.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
What kind of Windows is it? It it's some 9x version, chances are that
the Windows drivers you have already are installing their DOS
counterpart in autoexec config.sys files.
If that's the case, it would just be a matter of copying the required
files from your windows installation, note the exact entries added to
autoexec config.sys, and replicate the whole stuff on your DOS-only PC.
First step would be to look into your autoexec.bat and config.sys files
on the Windows installation - do you see anything related to your sound
card there?
Mateusz
On 03/06/2015 16:08, Dale E Sterner wrote:
What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on
an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on
somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the
drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to
the background and they work but who wants that.
cheers
DS
On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 07:37:56 -0500 Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com writes:
Hi,
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Dale E Sterner
sunbeam...@juno.com wrote:
Have the same problem with a DELL laptop. Tried a few dozen
drivers
and none worked.
What stuff are you trying to run anyways? Games? Audio CD? MP3?
WAV?
MOD? MID? AVI?
I did test a bunch of things on my old P4 [EMU10k1]. Most of it
didn't work
Now I remember an old freeware module player called LMP ('L' for SB
Live!), which does actually work, too.
ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/sound/lmp09.zip
So, just in general, it's not that literally nothing works, just
sometimes it's hard to find.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every SB/ESS driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it worked. For my modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly ESS or Yamaha) I can only get sound through the internal speaker, but MPXPLAY QView work through the lineout - I think any successful configuration will be a compromise. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I've quit working on it for a while. Tried every address and interupt I can think of. None work I think the chip is in off mode and needs to be turned on by windows. These sound drivers work on sound blaster cards but not on a laptop with ESS. cheers DS On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:18:52 +0200 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de writes: Hi! What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to the background and they work but who wants that. There are many different ESS chips, so more information is needed: http://support.toshiba.com/support/viewContentDetail?contentId=107869 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_AudioPCI http://www.daqarta.com/ess.htm What would also help is a tool to detect I/O base, IRQ and DMA details without hanging. No matter which card you have, often one or several of those aspects go wrong. In particular with PCI cards trying to be compatible to ISA SoundBlaster standards of any type, failing DMA and mis-routed IRQ signals are a common source of havoc. In some cases, it even is a hardware problem (a new mainboard cannot make PCI stuff look sufficiently ISA compatible any more). With SB Live, SB PCI and the ESS Ensoniq Audio PCI, the SoundBlaster compatibility even is a completely fake driver generated virtual hardware experience in the first place. Regards, Eric - - ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/556f0deaaf252dea23d8mp07duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
Hi! What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to the background and they work but who wants that. There are many different ESS chips, so more information is needed: http://support.toshiba.com/support/viewContentDetail?contentId=107869 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_AudioPCI http://www.daqarta.com/ess.htm What would also help is a tool to detect I/O base, IRQ and DMA details without hanging. No matter which card you have, often one or several of those aspects go wrong. In particular with PCI cards trying to be compatible to ISA SoundBlaster standards of any type, failing DMA and mis-routed IRQ signals are a common source of havoc. In some cases, it even is a hardware problem (a new mainboard cannot make PCI stuff look sufficiently ISA compatible any more). With SB Live, SB PCI and the ESS Ensoniq Audio PCI, the SoundBlaster compatibility even is a completely fake driver generated virtual hardware experience in the first place. Regards, Eric -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
I've quit working on it for a while. Tried every address and interupt I can think of. None work I think the chip is in off mode and needs to be turned on by windows. These sound drivers work on sound blaster cards but not on a laptop with ESS. cheers DS On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:18:52 +0200 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de writes: Hi! What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to the background and they work but who wants that. There are many different ESS chips, so more information is needed: http://support.toshiba.com/support/viewContentDetail?contentId=107869 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensoniq_AudioPCI http://www.daqarta.com/ess.htm What would also help is a tool to detect I/O base, IRQ and DMA details without hanging. No matter which card you have, often one or several of those aspects go wrong. In particular with PCI cards trying to be compatible to ISA SoundBlaster standards of any type, failing DMA and mis-routed IRQ signals are a common source of havoc. In some cases, it even is a hardware problem (a new mainboard cannot make PCI stuff look sufficiently ISA compatible any more). With SB Live, SB PCI and the ESS Ensoniq Audio PCI, the SoundBlaster compatibility even is a completely fake driver generated virtual hardware experience in the first place. Regards, Eric - - ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/556f0deaaf252dea23d8mp07duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
Hi,
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote:
Have the same problem with a DELL laptop. Tried a few dozen drivers
and none worked.
What stuff are you trying to run anyways? Games? Audio CD? MP3? WAV?
MOD? MID? AVI?
I did test a bunch of things on my old P4 [EMU10k1]. Most of it didn't work
Now I remember an old freeware module player called LMP ('L' for SB
Live!), which does actually work, too.
ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/sound/lmp09.zip
So, just in general, it's not that literally nothing works, just
sometimes it's hard to find.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
Thank you On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 11:10:43 -0400 Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com writes: http://www.georgpotthast.de/dossound/ On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: For the Dell sound, its a chip soldered on the main board. I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha. I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer. cheers DS On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:49:13 +0200 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de writes: Hi Dale and Don, I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every SB/ESS driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it worked. For my modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly ESS or Yamaha) I can only get sound through the internal speaker, but MPXPLAY QView work through the lineout - I think any successful configuration will be a compromise. What exactly is DOSSOUND and what does it do? And for Dale: It is important to know what card and chip exactly causes the trouble. ESS made many of them. I agree that you might find the solution in some turn chip on tool, but that, too, will depend on which chip and card exactly you have. If your card is ISA with plug and play support, you may need the general (Intel?) plug and play drivers for DOS to activate and configure the plug and play things it at boot :-) Back in ISA days, PnP simply meant auto-select non-colliding I/O port bases, IRQ etc.. Cheers, Eric - - ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/556f154de186c154d0a57mp03duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** - - ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/556f1bfdcbc2f1bfd100fst04duc -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
http://www.georgpotthast.de/dossound/ On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: For the Dell sound, its a chip soldered on the main board. I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha. I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer. cheers DS On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:49:13 +0200 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de writes: Hi Dale and Don, I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every SB/ESS driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it worked. For my modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly ESS or Yamaha) I can only get sound through the internal speaker, but MPXPLAY QView work through the lineout - I think any successful configuration will be a compromise. What exactly is DOSSOUND and what does it do? And for Dale: It is important to know what card and chip exactly causes the trouble. ESS made many of them. I agree that you might find the solution in some turn chip on tool, but that, too, will depend on which chip and card exactly you have. If your card is ISA with plug and play support, you may need the general (Intel?) plug and play drivers for DOS to activate and configure the plug and play things it at boot :-) Back in ISA days, PnP simply meant auto-select non-colliding I/O port bases, IRQ etc.. Cheers, Eric - - ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/556f154de186c154d0a57mp03duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
For the Dell sound, its a chip soldered on the main board. I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha. I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer. cheers DS On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 16:49:13 +0200 Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de writes: Hi Dale and Don, I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every SB/ESS driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it worked. For my modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly ESS or Yamaha) I can only get sound through the internal speaker, but MPXPLAY QView work through the lineout - I think any successful configuration will be a compromise. What exactly is DOSSOUND and what does it do? And for Dale: It is important to know what card and chip exactly causes the trouble. ESS made many of them. I agree that you might find the solution in some turn chip on tool, but that, too, will depend on which chip and card exactly you have. If your card is ISA with plug and play support, you may need the general (Intel?) plug and play drivers for DOS to activate and configure the plug and play things it at boot :-) Back in ISA days, PnP simply meant auto-select non-colliding I/O port bases, IRQ etc.. Cheers, Eric - - ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Protect what matters Floods can happen anywhere. Learn your risk and find an agent today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/556f154de186c154d0a57mp03duc ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
Hi, On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to the background and they work but who wants that. But what kinds of things are you trying to play on it?? What file formats or programs?? Are you just looking for a universal driver that emulates ye olde SB16 entirely (100%), thus working with (almost) all classic DOS software?? Allegro 4.2.2 was the last DJGPP release, AFAIK. One of their examples was PLAY.EXE, which could play *.mid or *.voc or *.wav. I'm not sure if you need an additional PATCHES.DAT file (converted by pat2dat on Soundfont .sf2 or whatever) for your particular machine. Heck, maybe your machine isn't (properly) supported, dunno. All I'm saying is that one of the few well-supported libraries / toolsets was Allegro, so (generally speaking) it is one of the foremost things to test if you're trying to see if your sound hardware works under DOS. (Actually, I don't remember if PLAY.EXE was broken / regressed since Allegro 3.1.2. I had put the older .EXE on my RUFFIDEA, and it worked on my old AWE64, but that was years ago. No idea if either will truly work for you, but it's worth a shot. Well, 4.2.2's version works fine under DOSBox [SB16/OPL3], at least.) http://na.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/djgpp/current/v2tk/allegro/ http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/dl/ofc/current/v2tk/allegro/all422b.zip/allegro/bin/play.exe A quick run of PLAY.EXE (without filename) shows the following supported hardware: === Sound code test program for Allegro 4.2.2, djgpp By Shawn Hargreaves, 2007 Usage: play [digital driver [midi driver]] files.(mid|voc|wav) Digital drivers: ESC - Soundscape ESS - ESS AudioDrive WSS - Windows Sound System SB16- Sound Blaster 16 SBP - Sound Blaster Pro SB20- Sound Blaster 2.0 SB15- Sound Blaster 1.5 SB10- Sound Blaster 1.0 MIDI drivers: AWE - AWE32/EMU8000 DIGI- DIGMID OPL3- Adlib (OPL3) OPLX- Adlib (dual OPL2) OPL2- Adlib (OPL2) MPU - MPU-401 SB - SB MIDI interface If you don't specify the card, Allegro will auto-detect (ie. guess :-) === -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
Hi again, On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: What I need for my Dell is a sound blaster pro driver that works on an ESS chip without windows being there. Windows turns the chip on somehow. The programs are for DOS running under windows. None of the drivers are for dos alone, even if they claim to be. Add windows to the background and they work but who wants that. Yet another program to try would be something like Impulse Tracker. It had various sound drivers back in the day. I need to test that myself on my old Dell P4, just for curiosity's sake. ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/sound/it214v5.zip Actually, here's some more programs to try, too. Go ahead and give them a whirl, and tell us if any of these actually work for you. ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/sound/mp102.zip ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/sound/megam166.zip P.S. Although the license is (AFAIK) unknown / undecided [eh??], Impulse Tracker has actually been (loosely speaking) opened these days. I'm not sure if anyone here is active enough to care, though. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
Hi again, http://www.georgpotthast.de/dossound/ Thanks, interesting :-) For the Dell sound, its a chip soldered on the main board. You could check with PCISLEEP for DOS or LSPCI for Linux or any similar tool for Windows what chip it is. The DOSSOUND website says, it is a WAV player for some AC97 sound chips, so I guess loading it does not help DOS games which expect SoundBlasters? I remember that I have a small tool for some VIA mainboard chip which claims to support SoundBlaster: The tool just activates that mode. However, only the official DOS driver also has some software simulation of Adlib / OPL3 which you can load as TSR. By using the activation tool, you only get basic SB D/A output. DOSSound currently supports the following AC'97 controllers: Intel ICH-ICH7 and compatible (not ICH8-ICH10) VIA 82686, 8233, 8235 and 8237 SIS 7012 controller untested: AMD 768, 8111 nVidia NForce 1-3 High Definition Audio controllers are currently not supported. By the way: I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha. I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer. That is not the only problem. Winmodems and Win GDI printers etc. often do not support normal command languages. Instead, there is only a proprietary interface to some low level device. In the Winmodem case, this is often a simple soundcard. All the smart things to turn data into tones and back have to be done by some Windows (or Linux) driver, so just starting Windows is not enough to activate the modem for DOS. For printers, your mileage may vary - they may at least support plain text but that might indeed depend on some Windows driver activating the printer at boot. Regards, Eric -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
To extend the audio hardware supported by DOSSound, there is also support for Soundblaster cards and their emulations. DOSSound first checks whether a soundblaster card is installed. If this is the case it will use that and not check for AC'97 controllers. It uses I/O address 220h, interrupt 7, and DMA1 for 8bit and DMA5 for 16bit operation. The interrupt used can be changed by the command line option /I5 to interrupt 5. On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Hi again, http://www.georgpotthast.de/dossound/ Thanks, interesting :-) For the Dell sound, its a chip soldered on the main board. You could check with PCISLEEP for DOS or LSPCI for Linux or any similar tool for Windows what chip it is. The DOSSOUND website says, it is a WAV player for some AC97 sound chips, so I guess loading it does not help DOS games which expect SoundBlasters? I remember that I have a small tool for some VIA mainboard chip which claims to support SoundBlaster: The tool just activates that mode. However, only the official DOS driver also has some software simulation of Adlib / OPL3 which you can load as TSR. By using the activation tool, you only get basic SB D/A output. DOSSound currently supports the following AC'97 controllers: Intel ICH-ICH7 and compatible (not ICH8-ICH10) VIA 82686, 8233, 8235 and 8237 SIS 7012 controller untested: AMD 768, 8111 nVidia NForce 1-3 High Definition Audio controllers are currently not supported. By the way: I think it works like these stupid win printers; it waits for windows to start it up. After all dos is dead isn't it - ha. I will have to search for this dossound. It might be the answer. That is not the only problem. Winmodems and Win GDI printers etc. often do not support normal command languages. Instead, there is only a proprietary interface to some low level device. In the Winmodem case, this is often a simple soundcard. All the smart things to turn data into tones and back have to be done by some Windows (or Linux) driver, so just starting Windows is not enough to activate the modem for DOS. For printers, your mileage may vary - they may at least support plain text but that might indeed depend on some Windows driver activating the printer at boot. Regards, Eric -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
On 6/3/2015 10:49 AM, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Dale and Don, I have a Compaq Armada (Laptop) with a ESS1869 - I tried every SB/ESS driver I could find then by chance I loaded DOSSOUND and it worked. For my modern desktops with the oldest PCI cards (mostly ESS or Yamaha) I can only get sound through the internal speaker, but MPXPLAY QView work through the lineout - I think any successful configuration will be a compromise. What exactly is DOSSOUND and what does it do? And for Dale: It is important to know what card and chip exactly causes the trouble. ESS made many of them. I agree that you might find the solution in some turn chip on tool, but that, too, will depend on which chip and card exactly you have. If your card is ISA with plug and play support, you may need the general (Intel?) plug and play drivers for DOS to activate and configure the plug and play things it at boot :-) Back in ISA days, PnP simply meant auto-select non-colliding I/O port bases, IRQ etc.. Cheers, Eric That's the Intel ICU (ISA Configuration Utility). -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
Hi, On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Have the same problem with a DELL laptop. Tried a few dozen drivers and none worked. They all require Windows be present. Unless you can fool it into thinking Windows is there; I think its hopeless. I gave up. Somebody would have to contact the soundcard vendors and pester them to release their old drivers in DOS-friendly format. Obviously requiring Windows just to install is a bad move. Also, being able to freely redistribute such drivers publicly would also be a nice touch. Granted, I don't expect any of that will ever happen, but having to blindly search random third-party websites just makes things even more difficult. I did find one (third-party) site that claimed to have SB Live! drivers for my old P4 (Dell), but that too required Windows (and no, HX didn't work). Even the *.CAB weren't accessible to p7zip, so I dunno! Generally speaking, you have to find a modern OS (FreeBSD, Linux, etc) that supports your hardware, and make sure it actually works. Then and only then can you find some genius to maybe port it back to DOS. At least with sources there is minimal hope. I really don't think binary driver compatibility with other OSes is feasible at all, but I could be wrong. (It's been done before but isn't very popular, apparently.) What stuff are you trying to run anyways? Games? Audio CD? MP3? WAV? MOD? MID? AVI? Although I usually don't do much with sound, thus am horribly unaware of most stuff, I did test a bunch of things on my old P4. Most of it didn't work (e.g. Cubic, Judas, WSS, PacePlayer). Almost the only thing that did work was PC speaker. At least some rare tools (KPC, MP3PC) support that: http://www.advsys.net/ken/utils.htm Even Mpxplay didn't work. But Quickview (shareware) surprisingly worked fine (with its EMU10K1 driver). Then and only then (after successfully playing a file) did Mpxplay start working. (So it's not initializing something properly.) I forgot to test DOSSOUND, but its website doesn't mention my soundcard anyways. Long story short: there are very few developers that are willing and active in such a field. You would have to contact them directly (via email or forum), maybe even donate a few clams! http://mpxplay.sourceforge.net/ http://www.georgpotthast.de/dossound/index.htm http://www.multimediaware.com/qv/ Other than all of that, don't get your hopes up. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
On 5/30/2015 4:29 PM, John Hupp wrote: I have 3 old ISA sound cards that I was trying to get working in an old Pentium 150 machine with a default FD 1.1 installation. But so far no success. I list the card, a driver link, and my brief note for each. Perhaps one of you will have a known-good driver or a tip/trick for any of these: Aztech Sound Galaxy Nova 16 (FCC ID i38-MMSN811 -- OEM'd for Packard Bell) ftp://ftp.aztech.com/support/DOWNLOAD/sg/index.txt Turns out that it tests for Windows, and I haven't tried to fool it or hack it yet. Media Vision Pro Sonic 16 (Jazz 16 chipset) http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=418 This is indeed for pure DOS, but the installer hangs at the step where it analyzes the hardware resources. Ensoniq Soundscape PnP Wavetable Sound Card (Gateway P/N SNDCRD006ABWW) ftp://ftp.gateway.com/pub/hardware_support/drivers/win_95/sound/enwiz95.exe This requires Windows but will also set up for DOS at the same time. I temporarily installed a W98 drive on this same machine, had sound working on it, then copied what seemed to be all the required pieces into the FreeDOS installation. The driver now initializes without error at boot, but so far I have not gotten any sound out of it with mpxplay or ACP CD player (though both act as if they are playing something). I have not yet tried a game or any other app. One piece of good news: I got the Media Vision driver working. It turns out that the installer wanted to look, not just at the C: drive where FreeDOS is, but at the D: and E: partitions which had not yet been formatted. Once I formatted those, the installer worked as expected. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Drivers or tips for 3 ISA sound cards?
Have the same problem with a DELL laptop. Tried a few dozen drivers and none worked. They all require Windows be present. Unless you can fool it into thinking Windows is there; I think its hopeless. I gave up. cheers DS On Sat, 30 May 2015 16:29:28 -0400 John Hupp free...@prpcompany.com writes: I have 3 old ISA sound cards that I was trying to get working in an old Pentium 150 machine with a default FD 1.1 installation. But so far no success. I list the card, a driver link, and my brief note for each. Perhaps one of you will have a known-good driver or a tip/trick for any of these: Aztech Sound Galaxy Nova 16 (FCC ID i38-MMSN811 -- OEM'd for Packard Bell) ftp://ftp.aztech.com/support/DOWNLOAD/sg/index.txt Turns out that it tests for Windows, and I haven't tried to fool it or hack it yet. Media Vision Pro Sonic 16 (Jazz 16 chipset) http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=418 This is indeed for pure DOS, but the installer hangs at the step where it analyzes the hardware resources. Ensoniq Soundscape PnP Wavetable Sound Card (Gateway P/N SNDCRD006ABWW) ftp://ftp.gateway.com/pub/hardware_support/drivers/win_95/sound/enwiz95.e xe This requires Windows but will also set up for DOS at the same time. I temporarily installed a W98 drive on this same machine, had sound working on it, then copied what seemed to be all the required pieces into the FreeDOS installation. The driver now initializes without error at boot, but so far I have not gotten any sound out of it with mpxplay or ACP CD player (though both act as if they are playing something). I have not yet tried a game or any other app. ** From Dale Sterner - MS organic chemistry http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo00975a052 *** Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/556b81c8e26761c855acst01duc -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
