Re: [gentoo-user] Cryptic warning message x11-drivers:ati-drivers-8.32.5 build
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Walter Dnes wrote: On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 10:13:36AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote Rconfigure and recompile the kernel: make menuconfig - Device Drivers - Character Devices - Direct Rendering Manager make it a module. Or, you can just deselect it as the ati drivers provide their own drm implementation. If you leave the in-kernel version enabled as a module you will have to ensure that the drm module is not loaded when X starts Thanks for the explanation of the process. Yr welcome This is all documented by ATI in nice html format in an ati* directory in /usr/share/doc/ Not if I have -doc in my USE varg. I know the feeling. I keep taking doc out of my USE and putting it back in. Never can make up my mind On the one hand, /usr/share/doc has been almost 2G big (!) at times, and otoh one can miss the really useful stuff alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
Hi. I was having major problems getting gnome to work at all when I discovered that it onlyy works if I login using gdm -- is there something about the gentoo distribution which has broken startx so gnome does not run or am I doing something wrong here? Thanks. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
On Wednesday 21 Feb 2007 13:32:59 John covici wrote: Hi. I was having major problems getting gnome to work at all when I discovered that it onlyy works if I login using gdm -- is there something about the gentoo distribution which has broken startx so gnome does not run or am I doing something wrong here? Is your ~/.xinitrc proper? Someting like `exec gnome-session'. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgp2VhXL6GfQ8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, John covici wrote: Hi. I was having major problems getting gnome to work at all when I discovered that it onlyy works if I login using gdm -- is there something about the gentoo distribution which has broken startx so gnome does not run or am I doing something wrong here? No-one can answer that question for you easily, as you haven't supplied any information at all beyond that you use startx. It's always a good idea on a mailing list to supply all relevant data up front At a minimum we would at least need to know what's in your ~/.xinitrc To start gnome, it should contain (usually as the last line): exec gnome-session -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 'why does not startx or xinit start gnome?': Because I want to use KDE. Seriously though, Gentoo allows you to set up your .xsession manually and 'startx' should use it. I know KDE also provides a 'startkde' script that will start X and bring up the standard KDE stuff like kicker, kwin, and kdesktop. Maybe Gnome has something similar, or at least a xsession that you can edit and use? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ New GPG Key! Old key expires 2007-03-25. Upgrade NOW! pgpByKDibqJCC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed
On Tuesday 21 February 2007 06:38 Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Tuesday 20 February 2007 13:43:08 Konstantin Budylov wrote: This error appears in my Xorg.0.log at boot time: (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file ordirectory) (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering And It seems that 3D rendering is exists, but I think that something wrong in it, because FPS (I think so) is too slow ( about 240 ) and I have some strange errors in multimedia drivers (e.g. mplayer fails on playing DVD with 'opengl' driver, and any other drivers is generally fails with message about can't open vo device ). I think it consequence of AIGLX error but even if it's not, a want to fix this error anyway I use x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.27.10-r1 and x11-base/xorg-x11-7.1 on gentoo-sources-2.6.17-r8 [SNIP] Can anybody help me? Please provide the output of: # equery check ati-drivers # equery files ati-drivers | egrep dri|env # env | grep LIBGL # eselect opengl list -- Bo Andresen # equery check ati-drivers [ Checking x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.27.10-r1 ] * 149 out of 149 files good # equery files ati-drivers | egrep dri|env /etc/env.d /etc/env.d/09ati /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/atiogl_a_dri.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so /usr/share/doc/fglrx/driverfaq.html # env | grep LIBGL LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH=$LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH::/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri # eselect opengl list Available OpenGL implementations: [1] ati * [2] nvidia [3] xorg-x11 I tried to make symlink from /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so to /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so, but I have a new error in this case: (EE) AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: undefined symbol: __driCreateNewScreen_20050727) (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering So, what's wrong? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Konstantin Budylov wrote: So, what's wrong? fglrx doesn't do AIGLX. Sry. -- /PA -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 12:33 Peter Alfredsen wrote: On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Konstantin Budylov wrote: So, what's wrong? fglrx doesn't do AIGLX. Sry. -- /PA So, what should I do? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so failed
Konstantin Budylov a gentiment tapote: On Wednesday 21 February 2007 12:33 Peter Alfredsen wrote: On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Konstantin Budylov wrote: So, what's wrong? fglrx doesn't do AIGLX. Sry. -- /PA So, what should I do? Hi, You should use the OS radeon driver which works very well. Cheers, Jacques -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] spamassassin-ruledujour failing...
I'm getting these three emails every day from ruledujour... I'm using the latest stable ebuild of each i.e.: mail-filter/spamassassin-3.1.8 mail-filter/spamassassin-ruledujour-20051123 Does everyone who has ruledujour execute daily get these faults reported? -- Subject: RulesDuJour/gifu: Matt Kettler's AntiDrug RuleSet has been updated Matt Kettler's AntiDrug has changed on gifu. Version line: # rev 0.65 10/01/2006 - updated URL, etc -- Subject: RulesDuJour/gifu: Catch German language spam. Maintained by Michael Monnerie RuleSet has been updated Catch German language spam. Maintained by Michael Monnerie has changed on gifu. Version line: # Version: 01.21.08 # Anti Raucher Gesetze SPA -- -- -- Subject: RulesDuJour/gifu: lint failed. Updates rolled back. ***WARNING***: spamassassin --lint failed. Rolling configuration files back, not restarting SpamAssassin. Rollback command is: mv -f /etc/spamassassin/antidrug.cf /etc/spamassassin/RulesDuJour/antidrug.cf.2; mv -f /etc/spamassassin/RulesDuJour/antidrug.cf.20070221-0313 /etc/spamassassin/antidrug.cf; mv -f /etc/spamassassin/70_zmi_german.cf /etc/spamassassin/RulesDuJour/70_zmi_german.cf.2; mv -f /etc/spamassassin/RulesDuJour/70_zmi_german.cf.20070221-0313 /etc/spamassassin/70_zmi_german.cf; Lint output: [22610] warn: config: unparseable chars in 'if you are running SA 3.0.0 or higher, you already have antidrug and this file': '3.0.0' [22610] warn: lint: 1 issues detected, please rerun with debug enabled for more information -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 09:02, John covici wrote: Hi. I was having major problems getting gnome to work at all when I discovered that it onlyy works if I login using gdm -- is there something about the gentoo distribution which has broken startx so gnome does not run or am I doing something wrong here? I think that's what XSESSION in /etc/rc.con is for. At least, in my system I see that 'startx' honors that setting. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Error emerging gcc-4.1.1-r3
I was updating my system with emerge --update --deep world and the follow error is returned to me when emerging gcc-4.1.1-r3: begin [...] make[2]: *** [tree-ssa-loop-ivcanon.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3/work/build/gcc' make[1]: *** [stageprofile_build] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3/work/build/gcc' make: *** [profiledbootstrap] Error 2 !!! ERROR: sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3 failed. Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1614: Called dyn_compile ebuild.sh, line 971: Called qa_call 'src_compile' environment, line 5305: Called src_compile ebuild.sh, line 1304: Called toolchain_src_compile toolchain.eclass, line 24: Called gcc_src_compile toolchain.eclass, line 1548: Called gcc_do_make toolchain.eclass, line 1422: Called die !!! emake failed with profiledbootstrap !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. !!! A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3/temp/build.log'. === end === What should I do? Thanks! -- FABRÍCIO L. RIBEIRO === [icq: 66770900] [e-mail, gtalk e msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [blog: http://opalavrorio.blogspot.com]
Re: [gentoo-user] Error emerging gcc-4.1.1-r3
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Fabrício L. Ribeiro wrote: I was updating my system with emerge --update --deep world and the follow error is returned to me when emerging gcc-4.1.1-r3: begin [...] make[2]: *** [tree-ssa-loop-ivcanon.o] Error 1 The display of what caused the error is before this part. No-one will know what is happening with your emerge without it. make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3/work/build/gcc' make[1]: *** [stageprofile_build] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3/work/build/gcc' make: *** [profiledbootstrap] Error 2 !!! ERROR: sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3 failed. Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1614: Called dyn_compile ebuild.sh, line 971: Called qa_call 'src_compile' environment, line 5305: Called src_compile ebuild.sh, line 1304: Called toolchain_src_compile toolchain.eclass, line 24: Called gcc_src_compile toolchain.eclass, line 1548: Called gcc_do_make toolchain.eclass, line 1422: Called die !!! emake failed with profiledbootstrap !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. Please post the part of the output that contains the line causing the error. alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Keymap for Spanish laptop
Grant wrote: My girlfriend is from Spain as is her laptop and many of the keys I press don't coincide with the characters printed on the screen. I changed /etc/conf.d/keymap to: KEYMAP=es and rebooted but the keymap behavior doesn't seem to have changed. Does anyone know how to fix this? - Grant You also need to add the keymaps init script to your boot runlevel rc-update add keymaps boot So that updates my keymap for the console? It must default to us then? - Grant As far as I am informed the keymaps init script sets the console keymap to the value of the KEYMAP variable. Cheers, Jay -- My system configuration (Gentoo Linux): http://www.linux-stats.org/index.php?c=userpagesys=810 Registered Linux User #373457 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] spamassassin-ruledujour failing...
Steve [Gentoo] wrote: Does everyone who has ruledujour execute daily get these faults reported? Nope. But I've disabled AntiDrug in /etc/rulesdujour/config because for a few days, I was getting a warning about antidrug's maintainer losing it's domain/host/isp or something like that. And BTW: Lint output: [22610] warn: config: unparseable chars in 'if you are running SA 3.0.0 or higher, you already have antidrug and this file': '3.0.0' ^ ;-) Regards, Norberto pgpl1euQ1CAjE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
on Wednesday 02/21/2007 Etaoin Shrdlu([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote On Wednesday 21 February 2007 09:02, John covici wrote: Hi. I was having major problems getting gnome to work at all when I discovered that it onlyy works if I login using gdm -- is there something about the gentoo distribution which has broken startx so gnome does not run or am I doing something wrong here? I think that's what XSESSION in /etc/rc.con is for. At least, in my system I see that 'startx' honors that setting. Yep, that does work, but I had no idea that functionality was even there -- the line was commented out in the file. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
on Wednesday 02/21/2007 Alan McKinnon([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote On Wednesday 21 February 2007, John covici wrote: Hi. I was having major problems getting gnome to work at all when I discovered that it onlyy works if I login using gdm -- is there something about the gentoo distribution which has broken startx so gnome does not run or am I doing something wrong here? No-one can answer that question for you easily, as you haven't supplied any information at all beyond that you use startx. It's always a good idea on a mailing list to supply all relevant data up front At a minimum we would at least need to know what's in your ~/.xinitrc To start gnome, it should contain (usually as the last line): exec gnome-session OK, but I had none of that -- I had just installed gnome and all its packages, so I had no idea that I needed that file -- I figured the default one would start gnome, if I had gnome installed. But I have since found an rc.conf variable which takes care of things. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:19, John covici wrote: Yep, that does work, but I had no idea that functionality was even there -- the line was commented out in the file. That sets a systemwide default. As others suggested, the file ~/.xinitrc might be used to choose on a per-user basis the X session to run (it has to be created by each user who wants it). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] spamassassin-ruledujour failing...
Norberto Bensa wrote: Steve [Gentoo] wrote: Does everyone who has ruledujour execute daily get these faults reported? Nope. But I've disabled AntiDrug in /etc/rulesdujour/config because for a few days, I was getting a warning about antidrug's maintainer losing it's domain/host/isp or something like that. And BTW: I've followed your lead... much more pleasant. :-) Lint output: [22610] warn: config: unparseable chars in 'if you are running SA 3.0.0 or higher, you already have antidrug and this file': '3.0.0' ^ ;-) Yes... but... I'd have hoped that the default configuration would not generate errors like this. If the error is caused by my specific configuration... then I'd understand that it is all my fault... (as they say) - but it seems a bad idea to have a broken rule-set included in the defaults... (which, to me, it appears to be.) Steve -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 09:02:59 John covici wrote: Hi. I was having major problems getting gnome to work at all when I discovered that it onlyy works if I login using gdm -- is there something about the gentoo distribution which has broken startx so gnome does not run or am I doing something wrong here? I'm surprised noone has pointed you to this and based on your replies you don't seem to have found it yourself either.. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gnome-config.xml -- Bo Andresen pgp5So2Qp1W9L.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
On Wednesday 21 Feb 2007 18:36:59 Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:19, John covici wrote: Yep, that does work, but I had no idea that functionality was even there -- the line was commented out in the file. That sets a systemwide default. As others suggested, the file ~/.xinitrc might be used to choose on a per-user basis the X session to run (it has to be created by each user who wants it). Actually, GDM uses Xsessions and startx uses xinitrc files. If you look at the /etc/X11/xinitrc file, it looks for and uses the ~/.xinitrc file if present. Otherwise, it uses the system default of /etc/X11/chooser.sh, which uses the variable XSESSION. If neither of the methods works, it starts a twm session. Correct me if I'm wrong please. HTH. -- Mrugesh Karnik GPG Key 0xBA6F1DA8 Public key on http://wwwkeys.pgp.net pgprnaz4AOvRf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:59, Mrugesh Karnik wrote: Actually, GDM uses Xsessions and startx uses xinitrc files. If you look at the /etc/X11/xinitrc file, it looks for and uses the ~/.xinitrc file if present. Otherwise, it uses the system default of /etc/X11/chooser.sh, which uses the variable XSESSION. If neither of the methods works, it starts a twm session. Correct me if I'm wrong please. startx's behavior is explained here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml#using_startx If you want to use a display manager, you should set DISPLAYMANAGER in /etc/conf.d/xdm. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:23:40 John covici wrote: OK, but I had none of that -- I had just installed gnome and all its packages, so I had no idea that I needed that file -- I figured the default one would start gnome, if I had gnome installed. Nothing prevents you from installing kde, gnome, xfce4, fluxbox and at least 5 other window managers all at the same time (unless you have a small disk)... Hence you have to configure it. The default is the most minimal of all (twm) which is so ugly that no sane person will use it for an extended period of time. That way the default will work even if only xorg-server (with the minimal use flag globally disabled) has been emerged... -- Bo Andresen pgpuSM0pv6grq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why does not startx or xinit start gnome?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 14:41, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: If you want to use a display manager, you should set DISPLAYMANAGER in /etc/conf.d/xdm. and, of course, add xdm to your runlevel. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 19:26:21 Peter Lewis wrote: The arrogance of these responses is astounding. Does anyone believe in civility any more? [SNIP] Quite. I know very little about the topic which the OP was asking about, Gentoo solutions or otherwise. I was merely defending the guy's right to ask the question without being shot down for being lazy. I really don't see how suggesting that the OP might be lazy is so arrogant. If it's not actually the case then he can just say so. Thus far he hasn't replied to any of the replies in this thread anyway and the original post contained so little information that I gave up on deciphering it. Even if it's a language issue he can just say that... -- Bo Andresen pgpfjbttFIWlk.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] Which wireless cardbus?
-Original Message- From: Stroller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 February 2007 14:22 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Which wireless cardbus? [Stuff] I've had good luck with RALink based cards (I have a PCMCIA Asus WL107g if I remember the model correctly - early (~2005ish) drivers were utterly horrendous but later ones were far far better). I currently have an Intel IPW3945 if I have the model right - which is an onboard chipset built into the laptop so not sure if it's around in PC card form as well. It was easy enough set up with WPA and so forth. Hope this perhaps helps the OP and/or others. -- djn I do not represent anyone else in emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] X-Forwarding over wireless
Is anyone using X-Forwarding over a local wireless connection? I'm forwarding a couple of light apps and they work fine with -Y but -X is unusable. I've been trying to use vmware workstation with an XP guest OS over wireless, but it's no good. Would I have better luck with vnc? - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
Actually I did Google extensively and looked at three packages which would require too much time to implement. The Vyatta was working in 10 min and now my lab's three Gentoo boxes are routed. Thanks again. -Original Message- From: Bo Ørsted Andresen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:54 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD? On Tuesday 20 February 2007 19:26:21 Peter Lewis wrote: The arrogance of these responses is astounding. Does anyone believe in civility any more? [SNIP] Quite. I know very little about the topic which the OP was asking about, Gentoo solutions or otherwise. I was merely defending the guy's right to ask the question without being shot down for being lazy. I really don't see how suggesting that the OP might be lazy is so arrogant. If it's not actually the case then he can just say so. Thus far he hasn't replied to any of the replies in this thread anyway and the original post contained so little information that I gave up on deciphering it. Even if it's a language issue he can just say that... -- Bo Andresen -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 13:54, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Tuesday 20 February 2007 19:26:21 Peter Lewis wrote: The arrogance of these responses is astounding. Does anyone believe in civility any more? [SNIP] Quite. I know very little about the topic which the OP was asking about, Gentoo solutions or otherwise. I was merely defending the guy's right to ask the question without being shot down for being lazy. I really don't see how suggesting that the OP might be lazy is so arrogant. If it's not actually the case then he can just say so. Thus far he hasn't replied to any of the replies in this thread anyway and the original post contained so little information that I gave up on deciphering it. Even if it's a language issue he can just say that... I don't really think that it's arrogant, as you put it, just not that helpful. All I'm really saying is that it's good to try to maintain a friendly atmostphere where people feel like they can post without feeling like they might be acting too silly. Perhaps some people are lazy, perhaps some aren't, but like another poster said, you can just ignore the post if you don't like it. I'm a big fan of the there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers way of thinking. IMO this list should be as non-threatening for people-who-want-to-find-out-stuff-they-don't-know as possible. :-) Pete. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Mikie wrote: Actually I did Google extensively and looked at three packages which would require too much time to implement. The Vyatta was working in 10 min and now my lab's three Gentoo boxes are routed. And this entire bullshit thread would have been prevented had you done the normal thing on mailing lists: SUPPLY ALL REQUIRED AND RELEVANT INFORMATION. Here's what you said: Anyone out there know where I could DL an iso file with a simple route only linux? I just need routing and no other features. Thanks Here's an example of what you should have said: Hi all, I need a small simple distro to use for a router. It must run on a tiny machine insert hardware, RAM and disk specs here, I don't need iptables and conntrack functionality so ram is not a major issue. It will route for three hosts and I'll need it to scale to 6 easily. Google found me products A, B and C, and all seem OK but none strike me as being perfectly suited insert short reasons as to why here. Anyone here used these distros and can give comment? Or maybe recommend something I haven't listed already? thanks, your name See the difference? I can give you a real answer to the example, but can't really respond positively to the original (and it has nothing to do with grammar or language) alan p.s. this was not a flame -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:17:45 +, Peter Lewis wrote: I'm a big fan of the there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers way of thinking. A job providing technical support will soon cure you of that :) More seriously, there is such a thing as a bad question, and they significantly outnumber the good. Most questions provide too little information to get a really useful answer. GIGO applies here as much as anywhere else. -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 011: Window open - Do not look outside signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] loop devices not present
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:51:45 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: That would be true except I've beeen setting loop to M since many kernel versions back. I actually suspect it's more a udev thing, there has been a lot of activity and changes with the rules recently. But I'm too rushed to decrypt all the rules syntax and see what changed. My loop devices disappeared like this some time ago - are you using stable? I initially put loop in modules.autoload.d but since I use loop devices every time I boot, I moved them into the kernel instead. -- Neil Bothwick Plagarism prohibited. Derive carefully. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 16:03, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:17:45 +, Peter Lewis wrote: I'm a big fan of the there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers way of thinking. A job providing technical support will soon cure you of that :) Ha ha, perhaps :-) More seriously, there is such a thing as a bad question, and they significantly outnumber the good. Most questions provide too little information to get a really useful answer. That may well be true, but it doesn't make the question invalid - just perhaps in the wrong forum. GIGO applies here as much as anywhere else. Too true. I wouldn't want to encourage the asking of questions! So, and I ask this as an honest question, is it generally accepted that the level of technical knowledge expected on this list is higher than, say, on the forums? Or the IRC channels? I'm relatively new to the Gentoo community, though not to online or computing communities generally, and am finding that there are a lot more unspoken norms or rules than I am used to (or perhaps the seasoned members are less forgiving of them being broken), which can be quite a disincentive to a newcomer. This is all just my opinion, of course, but I was just wondering. Pete. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 16:36, I wrote: Too true. I wouldn't want to encourage the asking of questions! D'oh! That was supposed to be the asking of *stupid* questions... sorry -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On 21 February 2007 18:03, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:17:45 +, Peter Lewis wrote: I'm a big fan of the there are no stupid questions, just stupid answers way of thinking. A job providing technical support will soon cure you of that :) :-) I will never take up a technical support job because I know I will soon start to throw bricks through the phone line. For the same reason, I can not be a teacher - not a good one, anyway. More seriously, there is such a thing as a bad question, and they significantly outnumber the good. Most questions provide too little information to get a really useful answer. GIGO applies here as much as anywhere else. While I agree with you in general, I still think that most noise on most mailing lists is due to bad answers, not questions. Answers tend to get triggered by keywords without the answering folks reading the whole question. So I put up with the occasional bad question. ;-) Uwe -- A fast and easy generator of fractals for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/iwy-1.0.tar.bz2 Proof of concept of a TSP solver for KDE: http://www.SysEx.com.na/epat-0.1.tar.bz2 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] HP Cluster on Gentoo
Hallo, today I updated portage and installed the newest kernel. uname -a now says Linux storm1 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 #1 SMP Wed Feb 21 15:45:46 CET 2007 x86_64 AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 280 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux Now DLM and GFS2 are compiled as modules storm1 linux # grep DLM .config CONFIG_GFS2_FS_LOCKING_DLM=m CONFIG_DLM=m # CONFIG_DLM_DEBUG is not set storm1 linux # grep GFS .config CONFIG_GFS2_FS=m # CONFIG_GFS2_FS_LOCKING_NOLOCK is not set CONFIG_GFS2_FS_LOCKING_DLM=m CONFIG_CONFIGFS_FS=m So far so good. However, then I tried to re-install the cluster manager software (packages cman, cman-headers and cman-kernel), since cman is not included into the kernel. No problems ocurred with cman and cman-headers. But an emerge of cman-kernel crashed. ... * Determining the location of the kernel source code * Found kernel source directory: * /usr/src/linux * Found kernel object directory: * /lib/modules/2.6.19-gentoo-r5/build * Found sources for kernel version: * 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 -- this is the correct location of the sources !! ... make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.19-gentoo-r5' CC [M] /var/tmp/portage/sys-cluster/cman-kernel-1.03.00/work/cluster-1.03.00/cman-kernel/src/cnxman.o /var/tmp/portage/sys-cluster/cman-kernel-1.03.00/work/cluster-1.03.00/cman-kernel/src/cnxman.c: In function 'do_ioctl_join_cluster': /var/tmp/portage/sys-cluster/cman-kernel-1.03.00/work/cluster-1.03.00/cman-kernel/src/cnxman.c:1751: error: 'system_utsname' undeclared (first use in this function) !!! ERROR: sys-cluster/cman-kernel-1.03.00 failed. Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1614: Called dyn_compile ebuild.sh, line 971: Called qa_call 'src_compile' environment, line 4024: Called src_compile cman-kernel-1.03.00.ebuild, line 37: Called die !!! compile error !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. !!! A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/sys-cluster/cman-kernel-1.03.00/temp/build.log'. The variable mentioned in the above error message (system_utsname) is nowhere defined in the kernel source tree 2.6.19. In the older kernel 2.6.18 it was defined in: /usr/src/linux/init/version.c For me this means that the cnan-kernel package is not made for this kernel. Is there a newer package of cman for gentoo available? Best regards, Stefan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't emerge dazuko 2.3.x with kernel 2.6.20
Peter Ruskin wrote: CONFIG_SECURITY_NETWORK is not set Thanks, I thought so. The compile error occurs in a sections encapsuled in #ifdef CONFIG_SECURITY_NETWORK_XFRM, and your kernel configuration does not include XFRM Networking Security Hooks. I'll probably disable this, because the machine doesn't need IPSec anyway. -R -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: XV locks up X server after recent update
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 17:36, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2007-02-20, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither the ati-drivers version nor kernel has changed. Bzzt, wrong! The ati-drivers package was updated from 8.27.10-r1 to 8.32.5. Rolling it back to 8.27.10-r1 made xv work again. The lock up occurred with xorg-xserver versions 1.1.1-r1, 1.1.1-r4, 1.2.0-r1. ati-drivers 8.33.6-r1 also locked up. Hmm... My ati-drivers actually crashes the XServer completely. And (Usually) restarts (Sometimes kdm just gives up as well). I did attempt to raise a support request about it... And got an email back from ATI/AMD saying I shuld be thankful for what they've given me not to bother them about it... Not sure why they even bother to solicit feedback myself... H pgpiZQojE4Za0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] OT - Need help setting up a name-based virtual host in Apache
I hope this email gets to the list. My last post didn't. This is semi-urgent. Over the past year I've been developing a PHP-based web interface for my college's music festival. This web interface would allow participating directors to enter all their information via the Internet, rather than having to send it to us and having us do all the work. The interface is now ready for widespread use (as opposed to the handful of directors I've had testing it and returning feedback.) The problem is this: The web address of the interface is http://camille.espersunited.com/~festival . I want to them to be able to use http://festival.espersunited.com because it's easier to remember (some of them don't remember that they have bookmarks.) I created a file in /etc/apache2/vhosts.d for this: camille vhosts.d # cat 01_festival_vhost.conf VirtualHost * ServerName festival.espersunited.com DocumentRoot /home/festival/webspace/html Directory /home/festival/webspace/html Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory /VirtualHost From the information I can find for what I'm trying to do, this seems to be the correct syntax. I set up a CNAME record in my espersunited.com DNS configuration to point festival.espersunited.com at camille.espersunited.com . However, when I reloaded apache2 and went to http://festival.espersunited.com, instead of seeing the interface at /home/festival/webspace/html/index.php, I saw /var/www/localhost/htdocs/index.html . Is something wrong with my config? Please help! -Michael Sullivan- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 17:36:28 Peter Lewis wrote: GIGO applies here as much as anywhere else. Too true. I wouldn't want to encourage the asking of [stupid] questions! So, and I ask this as an honest question, is it generally accepted that the level of technical knowledge expected on this list is higher than, say, on the forums? Or the IRC channels? From the OPs, no. Any newcomers with zero knowledge are welcome to ask questions on this list. It's just a matter of trying to use provide useful info, trying to apply common sense, being responsive and trying to learn from the answers. I'm fairly sure most people on this list regard it as a very tolerant list. -- Bo Andresen pgp0avHm0AM3f.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: XV locks up X server after recent update
On 2007-02-21, Hamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ati-drivers package was updated from 8.27.10-r1 to 8.32.5. Rolling it back to 8.27.10-r1 made xv work again. The lock up occurred with xorg-xserver versions 1.1.1-r1, 1.1.1-r4, 1.2.0-r1. ati-drivers 8.33.6-r1 also locked up. On my list of things to do is check to see if 8.28.8 with the 2.6.19 patch works... Hmm... My ati-drivers actually crashes the XServer completely. And (Usually) restarts (Sometimes kdm just gives up as well). I did attempt to raise a support request about it... And got an email back from ATI/AMD saying I shuld be thankful for what they've given me not to bother them about it... I was bying ATI cards because the open-source driver supported DRI (it was a bit flakey, but it mostly just worked). But, that ended with the 92xx series. My experience (and the general consensus, AFAICT) is that the NVidia closed-source drivers are far less problematic than the ATI ones. I've got a 3 year old ATI card that ATI doesn't support at all anymore with Linux drivers. I've got a 6 year old NVidia card that still works perfectly and all I had to do is emerge nvidia-drivers So I think NVidia is the way to go in general. [The problem is that you don't get much of a choice with laptops. My IBM ThinkPad was too good a deal to pass up even though it came with an ATI M300.] -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I always wanted a at NOSE JOB!! visi.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan
www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin www.petitiononline.com/golfinho -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Peter Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?': On Wednesday 21 February 2007 16:03, Neil Bothwick wrote: More seriously, there is such a thing as a bad question, and they significantly outnumber the good. Most questions provide too little information to get a really useful answer. That may well be true, but it doesn't make the question invalid - just perhaps in the wrong forum. It doesn't make the question invalid, at all. But, it does reduce the amount of responses you get AND limit their quality, no matter what medium is used. AFAIK, no one on IRC/email/forums is getting paid to do Gentoo support, so when answering a question is too much work, we can just skip it. If we have to guess to much of your setup or list a large number of possible problems (because we don't know which ones it isn't) or enter a longer dialog to get the information to solve the problem, you might just get skipped. While ESR is sometimes full of crap, he does have good guide on how to ask questions that will attract good answers: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html So, and I ask this as an honest question, is it generally accepted that the level of technical knowledge expected on this list is higher than, say, on the forums? Or the IRC channels? I tend to think that technically savvy users will migrate to email/IRC, but I don't have any foundation for that belief. That probably me just being elitist. I've always thought that web forums generally suck as a medium. I'm relatively new to the Gentoo community, though not to online or computing communities generally, and am finding that there are a lot more unspoken norms or rules than I am used to (or perhaps the seasoned members are less forgiving of them being broken), which can be quite a disincentive to a newcomer. Hrm, I can't say there are many more rules here than on my other mailing lists, but there are a number of informal rules that are NOT laid out in any FAQ or welcome message. It would be helpful for at least some people if we would let them know about our 5 pillars: Plain-Text Only, No Top-Posting, No Thread Hijacking, Attachments Only By Request (and consider private mail), and Trim Quoted Material. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ New GPG Key! Old key expires 2007-03-25. Upgrade NOW! pgpLduR6Cqciw.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan
-Original Message- From: Aggelos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2007 17:49 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin www.petitiononline.com/golfinho -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list I hate to be a nasty evil person and say this, but I will anyway - this has no place on a Gentoo mailing list IMO. Post it in the off topic section of the Gentoo forums I guess but posting these on a mailing list is pretty much spam. David baby eater Nelson -- djn I do not represent anyone else in emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
-Original Message- From: Peter Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2007 16:36 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD? So, and I ask this as an honest question, is it generally accepted that the level of technical knowledge expected on this list is higher than, say, on the forums? Or the IRC channels? I'm not sure exactly. IRC channels are good for instant help - mailing lists I feel yield more complete, verbose and useful results in an easier to store and search form. Grep and irc logs works to a point but emails are much easier IMO. As Bo said new users are welcome to ask questions - however it's much more painful to drag information out of people via Email compared to IRC. If someone comes into #gentoo and says NFS wont work you can ask them there and then for specs, setup, etc etc etc. On Email if someone says NFS wont work it's much more hassle to get all the necessary information to make informed suggestions. I'm relatively new to the Gentoo community, though not to online or computing communities generally, and am finding that there are a lot more unspoken norms or rules than I am used to (or perhaps the seasoned members are less forgiving of them being broken), which can be quite a disincentive to a newcomer. Everywhere has their own ground rules I guess - I like to think the obvious things are what we abide to here - proper spelling and grammar as far as is possible (I appreciate many are not English speakers mainly although some still manage to put my English to shame), posting relevant and useful information in the right quantity and formatted correctly, civil and polite conduct. The only semi-obscure policy is around top posting - I only participate in two areas on mailing lists, Gentoo and an IRC Security mailing list. The latter is low traffic. I don't have a great deal of mailing list experience so top vs bottom posting was a new one for me. People are often quick (and usually polite in doing so) to point out that top posting is not the way we do things here, if and when someone does it. David it's 6pm ... why am I still at work Nelson -- djn I do not represent anyone else in emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 18:52:49 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: It would be helpful for at least some people if we would let them know about our 5 pillars: [...] Attachments Only By Request (and consider private mail) Actually I disagree with that one. Sometimes when people think some failing build log or revdep-rebuild -p output is too long I would much rather they attached it as a compressed file than pasting it inline (and hence uncompressed) or leaving it out so we have to request it to get it.. -- Bo Andresen pgp4d3aGR4uy3.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
-Original Message- From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2007 17:53 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD? Hrm, I can't say there are many more rules here than on my other mailing lists, but there are a number of informal rules that are NOT laid out in any FAQ or welcome message. It would be helpful for at least some people if we would let them know about our 5 pillars: Plain-Text Only, No Top-Posting, No Thread Hijacking, Attachments Only By Request (and consider private mail), and Trim Quoted Material. IMO it would be useful if all new mailing list subscribers were told these 5 pillars when signing up. Makes for a happier mailing list overall. -- djn I do not represent anyone else in emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan
on 02/21/2007 07:58 PM Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote the following: -Original Message- From: Aggelos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2007 17:49 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin www.petitiononline.com/golfinho -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list I hate to be a nasty evil person and say this, but I will anyway - this has no place on a Gentoo mailing list IMO. Post it in the off topic section of the Gentoo forums I guess but posting these on a mailing list is pretty much spam. David baby eater Nelson -- djn I do not represent anyone else in emails I send to this list. I would not define such a mail as spam. Aggelos -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 19:06:21 Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: IMO it would be useful if all new mailing list subscribers were told these 5 pillars when signing up. Makes for a happier mailing list overall. Then file a bug. :) -- Bo Andresen pgpDrjXyeN7sD.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 17:58 +, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: [...] I hate to be a nasty evil person and say this, but I will anyway - this has no place on a Gentoo mailing list IMO. Post it in the off topic section of the Gentoo forums I guess but posting these on a mailing list is pretty much spam. To the contrary, I think that the OP has a lot to do with Gentoo and Linux in general. You see every day, like the poor Japanese Dolphins, countless numbers of cows are murdered every day. They are slaughtered, cut up, ground into little bits, you name it, all in the name of greed (both in terms of money and food). These innocent little souls are brought to an early death so that some may enjoy a half pound greasy burger or perhaps a 12 oz. prime rib (with grilled onions, mashed potatoes, and cream corn on the side). Like our Rising Sun Flipper, we must do something to stop the bovine genocide. Remember that our mascot and transgendered spiritual leader, Larry, is a cow, and therefore shares the same risk to his life as Willy or Bessie. And if they can go after dolphins and cows, then can penguins be next? Could little Tux's life be in danger as well? These are the things every (Gentoo) Linux user should be concerned about. Kudos to the OP for bringing this important issue to our attention! -m -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan
You see every day, like the poor Japanese Dolphins, countless numbers of cows are murdered every day. They are slaughtered, cut up, ground into little bits, you name it, all in the name of greed (both in terms of money and food). These innocent little souls are brought to an early death so that some may enjoy a half pound greasy burger or perhaps a 12 oz. prime rib (with grilled onions, mashed potatoes, and cream corn on the side). Like our Rising Sun Flipper, we must do something to stop the bovine genocide. Remember that our mascot and transgendered spiritual leader, Larry, is a cow, and therefore shares the same risk to his life as Willy or Bessie. I'm hungry -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 01:39:02 pm Albert Hopkins wrote: Today 01:39:02 pm On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 17:58 +, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: [...] I hate to be a nasty evil person and say this, but I will anyway - this has no place on a Gentoo mailing list IMO. Post it in the off topic section of the Gentoo forums I guess but posting these on a mailing list is pretty much spam. To the contrary, I think that the OP has a lot to do with Gentoo and Linux in general. You see every day, like the poor Japanese Dolphins, countless numbers of cows are murdered every day. They are slaughtered, cut up, ground into little bits, you name it, all in the name of greed (both in terms of money and food). These innocent little souls are brought to an early death so that some may enjoy a half pound greasy burger or perhaps a 12 oz. prime rib (with grilled onions, mashed potatoes, and cream corn on the side). Like our Rising Sun Flipper, we must do something to stop the bovine genocide. Remember that our mascot and transgendered spiritual leader, Larry, is a cow, and therefore shares the same risk to his life as Willy or Bessie. And if they can go after dolphins and cows, then can penguins be next? Could little Tux's life be in danger as well? These are the things every (Gentoo) Linux user should be concerned about. Kudos to the OP for bringing this important issue to our attention! Mmmm roasted penguin... Jerry McBride -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:03:20 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote: More seriously, there is such a thing as a bad question, and they significantly outnumber the good. Most questions provide too little information to get a really useful answer. GIGO applies here as much as anywhere else. While I agree with you in general, I still think that most noise on most mailing lists is due to bad answers, not questions. Answers tend to get triggered by keywords without the answering folks reading the whole question. That's a fair point, but there are also a lot of bad answers because the questions required too much guesswork to answer. -- Neil Bothwick Out of sorts? Heck, I'm out of *most* algorithms! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:36:28 +, Peter Lewis wrote: More seriously, there is such a thing as a bad question, and they significantly outnumber the good. Most questions provide too little information to get a really useful answer. That may well be true, but it doesn't make the question invalid - just perhaps in the wrong forum It does make the question invalid if it provides insufficient information to permit a helpful answer. After all, the whole point of posting the question is to get the answer. -- Neil Bothwick Velilind's Laws of Experimentation: 1. If reproducibility may be a problem, conduct the test only once. 2. If a straight line fit is required, obtain only two data points. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan
Aggelos wrote: www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin www.petitiononline.com/golfinho Thanks for the info. Signed both this and and thepetitionsite.com version. Best regards Peter K -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan
On Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007, Aggelos wrote: I would not define such a mail as spam. Aggelos I would. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 18:06, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 February 2007 17:53 It would be helpful for at least some people if we would let them know about our 5 pillars: Plain-Text Only, No Top-Posting, No Thread Hijacking, Attachments Only By Request (and consider private mail), and Trim Quoted Material. IMO it would be useful if all new mailing list subscribers were told these 5 pillars when signing up. Makes for a happier mailing list overall. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Well, I found this discussion quite helpful in the end - and sorry for hijacking the thread ;-) I hope I can be of some use on the list. Pete. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:54:43 -0500, Jerry McBride wrote: Mmmm roasted penguin... Die, heretic! -- Neil Bothwick Self-explanatory: technospeak for Incomprehensible undocumented signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
Uwe Thiem wrote: While I agree with you in general, I still think that most noise on most mailing lists is due to bad answers, not questions. Answers tend to get triggered by keywords without the answering folks reading the whole question. So I put up with the occasional bad question. ;-) I've noticed in myself that I'll avoid answering questions that have been framed poorly because I know that it'll require four or five exchanges if we're lucky to get to the real problem. Additionally you might have to fix another three things along the way just to figure out what the original question is. Unfortunately I don't have the time to get in the guts of a problem, but I'm pretty good at diagnosing your issue if you have presented all the relevant facts. I imagine most of us professional admins are in the same boat. In summary if you want busy admins (well at least this one) who may have the experience to give better answers to look at your problem and respond do your research, run a few tests, do some searching, write a nice email, and frame a specific question. and because I'm avoiding a meeting, I point out how complciated the above really is. Contrary to Eric Raymond's How to Ask Intelligent Questions it is actually very hard to ask good questions or even search about a subject you do not fully understand. Try this little exercise: Your motorcycle has choppy acceleration at speeds under 45 mph. Think of twenty things that could cause that. Now rank them the in order of most likely to least likely. Now rank them in easiest to fix to hardest. Now rank them in easiest to test for to hardest. It is unlikely that you can think up more than five root causes unless you've owned a motorcycle for a year or so. Even with a few years of experience you will be hard pressed to rank them correctly in the most likely to least likely. If you're anywhere close on the last two, you are a motorcycle mechanic and I'll be over shortly to personally fix your computer while you look at my bike. So there we have it. Experienced users don't want to play twenty questions and inexperienced users don't know what information is relevant to the problem. Sort of a Catch22, though this is one of the better lists in all respects. However to new users more info is almost always better than less, but do try to present it with some organization. BTW after replacing the plugs, the plug wires, the coil, cleaning the points, replacing the points with solid state, greasing the throttle wires and mechanisms, new air filter, putting in a fuel filter, new fuel lines, rebuilding the petcock from the fuel tank, carb cleaning, carb adjusting, carb rebuilding with new float needles to match the changes in specific gravity of todays fuel vs fuel in the 70s (I was getting a bit desperate around this point), changing the oil (wet transmission), and countless drills in the parking lot to increase smoothness on the throttle it was pointed out that the chain had a bit too much slack and probably needed to be replaced. $28 and one half hour later the problem was fixed. kashani -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Recommendation
I have used Mandriva and Kubuntu and several other distributions before I thought I would give Gentoo a try because I like to tweak and learn more about Linux. The live cd works great on my machine, but when I attempted to install Gentoo on that same machine, X does not work, nor does my network connection. I have tried the Gentoo handbook, but I am unable to find the answers to solve my problems. I have found myself quickly over my head and now I begin to wonder if I am not quite ready for Gentoo. What would you all recommend?
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation
I would advise you to go through and follow the handbook using the command line in the livecd environment. The livecd can be buggy and personally, I like to know EXACTLY what is being done to my system. It's good to know if something is my fault or theirs. As per your X server woes, there is a great howto on gentoo's site. Good luck! On 2/21/07, Scott W. McMikle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have used Mandriva and Kubuntu and several other distributions before I thought I would give Gentoo a try because I like to tweak and learn more about Linux. The live cd works great on my machine, but when I attempted to install Gentoo on that same machine, X does not work, nor does my network connection. I have tried the Gentoo handbook, but I am unable to find the answers to solve my problems. I have found myself quickly over my head and now I begin to wonder if I am not quite ready for Gentoo. What would you all recommend? -- -·=»Ðŧħ«=·- z� ��(��j)b� b�
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 22:07:17 Scott W. McMikle wrote: I have used Mandriva and Kubuntu and several other distributions before I thought I would give Gentoo a try because I like to tweak and learn more about Linux. The live cd works great on my machine, but when I attempted to install Gentoo on that same machine, X does not work, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml It that doesn't help look for errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. # egrep (EE|WW) /var/log/Xorg.0.log nor does my network connection. We sort of need to know which nic you have. If you really have no clue use `lspci`. I believe it's on the livecd if you can't emerge pciutils due to the lack of network. `lsmod` or `dmesg | grep Link` executed from the livecd should be helpful too... -- Bo Andresen pgpyEts3Jq3yA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Scott W. McMikle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Recommendation': I have found myself quickly over my head and now I begin to wonder if I am not quite ready for Gentoo. What would you all recommend? Ask good specific, questions early and often. Use all the Gentoo support options (IRC/email/forums) and read the wiki. Have another, working system available (dual-boot maybe) until you trust your Gentoo system. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ New GPG Key! Old key expires 2007-03-25. Upgrade NOW! pgpXN5WypOjCF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
Neil Bothwick wrote: It does make the question invalid if it provides insufficient information to permit a helpful answer. Not at all. It just means that the question needs expansion. After all, the whole point of posting the question is to get the answer. Very often, the questioner lacks the experience and knowledge to frame a question that you would deem valid. It's a very sad fact that Linux users generally have an appalling reputation for arrogance and a lack of helpfulness. :( I frequently see examples of this such as Google is your friend when the OP states that he can't get his Internet connection to work! :( The standard complaint about Linux users is that RTFM is the typical reply to a question. As it happens, I have never,ever asked a question here or anywhere else about Linux, Gentoo, whatever - I always find my own answers one way or another. However, not everyone has the time, skill or patience to do that. I'm glad to say that, generally speaking, Gentoo users do not sink quite that low - but we are heading that way. :( We need to take stock of what community really means and try to show a little more patience towards people who have just entered our community rather than alienating them. Just my thoughts, anyway. ;) Be lucky, Neil (another one) ;) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I dont know about your X Server (there are some great guides out there - don't despair, it never worked for me in the first run either) but I think I have a clue to whats with you network card: The LiveCD has a kernel with all the drivers enabled as modules (or probably build in). The kernel you compiled yourself will probably not have those. Try this: Find out what kind of network card you have (Bo Andresen wrote in his mail how to do this) - go back and configure the Kernel - you can find the ethernet-drivers under Device Drivers - Network Device Support - - Ethernet (10 or 100 Mbit) || Ethernet (1000 Mbit) || Ethernet (1 Mbit). Now find your card's driver (read the help-pages or search the web if you don't know it) and build it into your kernel (press y). Then recompile your kernel and boot it. You should see your card with ifconfig -a now. HTH Paul Scott W. McMikle schrieb: I have used Mandriva and Kubuntu and several other distributions before I thought I would give Gentoo a try because I like to tweak and learn more about Linux. The live cd works great on my machine, but when I attempted to install Gentoo on that same machine, X does not work, nor does my network connection. I have tried the Gentoo handbook, but I am unable to find the answers to solve my problems. I have found myself quickly over my head and now I begin to wonder if I am not quite ready for Gentoo. What would you all recommend? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF3MVcaHrXRd80sY8RCmUoAKDkTMYRcGsMiUScvsMcvk8IW1q7XQCg47LJ lMZoQdnx4W4HHzSZ2mGpnNE= =Q8vB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:14:20 +, Neil Walker wrote: It does make the question invalid if it provides insufficient information to permit a helpful answer. Not at all. It just means that the question needs expansion. Ah, so it's not invalid, just incomplete? Either way, it doesn't work. After all, the whole point of posting the question is to get the answer. Very often, the questioner lacks the experience and knowledge to frame a question that you would deem valid. This may be true in some cases, but not always. This is a peer-to-peer help forum, not some paid support line. If people want something for nothing, they should put in a little effort and not expect others to do everything for them. If you won't describe the symptoms fully, don't expect an accurate diagnosis. Granted, this is a lesson that has to be learned, but some people seem incapable of learning it. If that happens, they are the losers, those with the answers to the question they failed to ask usefully won't suffer for it. It's a very sad fact that Linux users generally have an appalling reputation for arrogance and a lack of helpfulness. I have yet to meet a significant number of these generally arrogant Linux users. How can you say that something so community-driven lacks helpfulness? I accept that many programmers respond poorly to certain types of question, but they are volunteers too and should be criticised for how they choose to use their own time, even if that includes not spending too much of it on tact. -- Neil Bothwick Windows Error #09: Game Over. Exiting Windows. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:22:40 +0200, Aggelos wrote: I would not define such a mail as spam. Of course not, you sent it. -- Neil Bothwick Today's subliminal message is: . signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation
Thank you all for your support. If you don't mind the questions, then I will ask, providing as much info as I can so that you can help. I thought perhaps that I would have to give up Gentoo until such time that my Linux skills have improved. Scott On 2/21/07, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Scott W. McMikle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Recommendation': I have found myself quickly over my head and now I begin to wonder if I am not quite ready for Gentoo. What would you all recommend? Ask good specific, questions early and often. Use all the Gentoo support options (IRC/email/forums) and read the wiki. Have another, working system available (dual-boot maybe) until you trust your Gentoo system. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ New GPG Key! Old key expires 2007-03-25. Upgrade NOW!
[gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???
Hi, I have question about ramfs and if it is necessary. I have notebook with SATA drive. I generate kernel with genkernel and it generates initramfs file too. My question is if this is realy necessary and if not, what I have to do. And if it is necessary where I can find good documentation (samples, explanation, etc.). And next question is: hat is difference between ramfs and initrd ??? Is it the same thing or not ... ??? Thanks a lot. Pat -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - Need help setting up a name-based virtual host in Apache
Michael Sullivan wrote: I hope this email gets to the list. My last post didn't. This is semi-urgent. Over the past year I've been developing a PHP-based web interface for my college's music festival. This web interface would allow participating directors to enter all their information via the Internet, rather than having to send it to us and having us do all the work. The interface is now ready for widespread use (as opposed to the handful of directors I've had testing it and returning feedback.) The problem is this: The web address of the interface is http://camille.espersunited.com/~festival . I want to them to be able to use http://festival.espersunited.com because it's easier to remember (some of them don't remember that they have bookmarks.) I created a file in /etc/apache2/vhosts.d for this: camille vhosts.d # cat 01_festival_vhost.conf VirtualHost * ServerName festival.espersunited.com DocumentRoot /home/festival/webspace/html Directory /home/festival/webspace/html Options Indexes FollowSymLinks Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory /VirtualHost From the information I can find for what I'm trying to do, this seems to be the correct syntax. I set up a CNAME record in my espersunited.com DNS configuration to point festival.espersunited.com at camille.espersunited.com . However, when I reloaded apache2 and went to http://festival.espersunited.com, instead of seeing the interface at /home/festival/webspace/html/index.php, I saw /var/www/localhost/htdocs/index.html . Is something wrong with my config? Please help! -Michael Sullivan- Try to give festival an address, not a CNAME and please, send the output of apachectl configtest -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT^2] Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 20:59, kashani wrote: Uwe Thiem wrote: [unnecessary but good for the soul work...] throttle it was pointed out that the chain had a bit too much slack and probably needed to be replaced. $28 and one half hour later the problem was fixed. I would have thought that you would be able to hear it clonking if it was that slack to affect take-off. What bike are we talking about? PS. I'm sure there will be some mileage to be gained if we were to do a deal on the mutual help thing. :-) -- Regards, Mick pgpkwulrD9cRc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': And if it is necessary where I can find good documentation (samples, explanation, etc.). Pretty much all of the documenation on early userspace is in the kernel tree. You might even want to emerge the kernel with the 'doc' use flag, to get full (HTML?) documentation, although some of it is in simple plain text (rather than docbook) and available w/o that flag. And next question is: hat is difference between ramfs and initrd ??? Is it the same thing or not ... ??? initrd is the old way. A compressed (usually ext2) filesystem used to load kernel modules, or otherwise initialize things before mounting the root filesystem. initramfs is the new way. A compressed series of cpio archives (with some special treatment) for the same purpose. Both use ram-backed block devices. initrd doesn't need ramfs or tmpfs. I think an initramfs can use either, but it might require ramfs. An initramfs can be compiled into the kernel, either can be a separate file loaded by grub/lilo/xen. ramfs is a fixed-size ram-backed file system. tmpfs is a newer, better way to do this. It has a maximum size (which can be changed by a remount) but will only allocate enough ram to hold what is currently placed on the filesystem. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ New GPG Key! Old key expires 2007-03-25. Upgrade NOW! pgp6xyZaCwbzM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Scott W. McMikle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation': I thought perhaps that I would have to give up Gentoo until such time that my Linux skills have improved. Worst case, you'll get instructions you don't understand and you'll have to ask us how to do use them. :) The best way to develop you linux skills is to use them. :) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ New GPG Key! Old key expires 2007-03-25. Upgrade NOW! pgpGGvI145229.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Aggelos wrote: I would not define such a mail as spam. Aggelos The relevant part of http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [...] This is a very risky thing to do, however, because the hackers' metric for what is exciting probably differs from yours. Posting from the International Space Station would qualify, for example, but posting on behalf of a feel-good charitable or political cause would almost certainly not. In fact, posting “Urgent: Help me save the fuzzy baby seals!” will reliably get you shunned or flamed even by hackers who think fuzzy baby seals are important. [...] -- /PA -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT^2] Simple Linux Router on a live CD?
Mick wrote: On Wednesday 21 February 2007 20:59, kashani wrote: Uwe Thiem wrote: [unnecessary but good for the soul work...] throttle it was pointed out that the chain had a bit too much slack and probably needed to be replaced. $28 and one half hour later the problem was fixed. I would have thought that you would be able to hear it clonking if it was that slack to affect take-off. What bike are we talking about? PS. I'm sure there will be some mileage to be gained if we were to do a deal on the mutual help thing. :-) '74 Honda CB350F making of all of 20HP so the clonking was minimal on take off. Also no one had mentioned that the bike should live at 5000-9000 RPMs so I was probably realizing 9HP at most on take off. With the above in mind the problem was most pronounced at some speed with RPMs around 4000-5000 when I had enough torque to cause the slack to be an issue, usually while changing speed or accelerating through turns. The overall affect was to see saw the bike which was made worse while I tried to compensate for it at the throttle. Springs made in a recent decade might have made it easier to figure out. A used, ancient bike, with issues was probably not the best choice as a starter bike. Relating this back to Gentoo after getting burning in a few consulting gigs I started forcing new jobs to have a level of stability before I'd start the main project. There is nothing worse than DNS that doesn't work or doesn't match reverse DNS when you're trying to read logs. Badly configured networks with chains of crappy hubs are another favorite. I can't tell why Samba doesn't authenticate your users and frankly I'm surprised anything works here with the number of retransmits I'm seeing on your interfaces! A number of new computer users fall into this trap and resort to reinstalling in order to fix what might have been simple issues. Gentoo users sometimes have it worse as there is plenty of rope handed out to hang yourself if you don't approach it in an organized fashion or at least clean up properly after earlier failed experiments. Troubleshooting an issue is always hard when you don't have confidence that the overall system is correct which was some of the trap I fell into with the bike. In regards to mileage I did SF to LA and back this weekend (on the ZR-7S not the 350F, thank God) so don't be surprised when the new '74 CB550F project shows up at your door. :-) kashani -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???
OK, so I have to search for ramfs. What tool is used to create initramsf file for boot or how to compile it into kernel and how to use it with grub ??? Yes, start with kernel documentation ... but something quicker ??? :-) Thanks a lot for your help. Pat On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:16:35 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote On Wednesday 21 February 2007, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': And if it is necessary where I can find good documentation (samples, explanation, etc.). Pretty much all of the documenation on early userspace is in the kernel tree. You might even want to emerge the kernel with the 'doc' use flag, to get full (HTML?) documentation, although some of it is in simple plain text (rather than docbook) and available w/o that flag. And next question is: hat is difference between ramfs and initrd ??? Is it the same thing or not ... ??? initrd is the old way. A compressed (usually ext2) filesystem used to load kernel modules, or otherwise initialize things before mounting the root filesystem. initramfs is the new way. A compressed series of cpio archives (with some special treatment) for the same purpose. Both use ram-backed block devices. initrd doesn't need ramfs or tmpfs. I think an initramfs can use either, but it might require ramfs. An initramfs can be compiled into the kernel, either can be a separate file loaded by grub/lilo/xen. ramfs is a fixed-size ram-backed file system. tmpfs is a newer, better way to do this. It has a maximum size (which can be changed by a remount) but will only allocate enough ram to hold what is currently placed on the filesystem. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ New GPG Key! Old key expires 2007-03-25. Upgrade NOW! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???
On Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007, pat wrote: Hi, I have question about ramfs and if it is necessary. I have notebook with SATA drive. I generate kernel with genkernel and it generates initramfs file too. My question is if this is realy necessary and if not, what I have to do. And if it is necessary where I can find good documentation (samples, explanation, etc.). And next question is: hat is difference between ramfs and initrd ??? Is it the same thing or not ... ??? Thanks a lot. Pat you don't need initrd. You don't need initramfs. You don't need to use genkernel (IMHO genkernel is evil). And you don't need ramfs. initrd/initramfs is mostly for distributions who want to compile everything as module, people with strange settings (like some kind of raid), or people too stupid to build their own kernel. If you build your kernel and build everything you need to boot into it, you can live without that crap. -- Conclusions In a straight-up fight, the Empire squashes the Federation like a bug. Even with its numerical advantage removed, the Empire would still squash the Federation like a bug. Accept it. -Michael Wong -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': OK, so I have to search for ramfs. What tool is used to create initramsf file for boot or how to compile it into kernel and how to use it with grub ??? Each distro has their own, although I think they were mostly spawned from mkinitrd from RedHat. I believe genkernel now creates initramfs (as opposed to initrd) files, and may have support for compiling the initramfs into the kernel. grub/lilo/xen loads an initramfs exactly the same as an initrd -- the kernel determines how to use the uncompressed data by looking for a cpio header. Yes, start with kernel documentation ... but something quicker ??? :-) Not that I've found. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ New GPG Key! Old key expires 2007-03-25. Upgrade NOW! pgpPlTy904K7q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': On Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007, pat wrote: My question is if this is realy necessary and if not, what I have to do. And if it is necessary where I can find good documentation (samples, explanation, etc.). you don't need initrd. You don't need initramfs. You don't need to use genkernel (IMHO genkernel is evil). And you don't need ramfs. That's my experience with genkernel as well. initrd/initramfs is mostly for distributions who want to compile everything as module, people with strange settings (like some kind of raid), or people too stupid to build their own kernel. If you build your kernel and build everything you need to boot into it, you can live without that crap. I need it because my '/' in on an LVM device which does require some userland tools to setup. initrd/ramfs really isn't crap, but they are generally unnecessary (unless you have '/' on EVMS/LVM/software-RAID) on Gentoo. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ New GPG Key! Old key expires 2007-03-25. Upgrade NOW! pgp4GBBupdnGc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:13:56 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote On Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007, pat wrote: Hi, I have question about ramfs and if it is necessary. I have notebook with SATA drive. I generate kernel with genkernel and it generates initramfs file too. My question is if this is realy necessary and if not, what I have to do. And if it is necessary where I can find good documentation (samples, explanation, etc.). And next question is: hat is difference between ramfs and initrd ??? Is it the same thing or not ... ??? Thanks a lot. Pat you don't need initrd. You don't need initramfs. You don't need to use genkernel (IMHO genkernel is evil). And you don't need ramfs. initrd/initramfs is mostly for distributions who want to compile everything as module, people with strange settings (like some kind of raid), or people too stupid to build their own kernel. If you build your kernel and build everything you need to boot into it, you can live without that crap. ... so the initramfs is not necessary for the SATA drive when it is not a module ??? Because I think I need it because of the SATA drive. Thanks Pat -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???
OK, thanks. Pat P.S. Question is what should be part of the initramfs :-| On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:25:36 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote On Wednesday 21 February 2007, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': OK, so I have to search for ramfs. What tool is used to create initramsf file for boot or how to compile it into kernel and how to use it with grub ??? Each distro has their own, although I think they were mostly spawned from mkinitrd from RedHat. I believe genkernel now creates initramfs (as opposed to initrd) files, and may have support for compiling the initramfs into the kernel. grub/lilo/xen loads an initramfs exactly the same as an initrd -- the kernel determines how to use the uncompressed data by looking for a cpio header. Yes, start with kernel documentation ... but something quicker ??? :-) Not that I've found. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ New GPG Key! Old key expires 2007-03-25. Upgrade NOW! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???
On Donnerstag, 22. Februar 2007, pat wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:13:56 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote On Mittwoch, 21. Februar 2007, pat wrote: Hi, I have question about ramfs and if it is necessary. I have notebook with SATA drive. I generate kernel with genkernel and it generates initramfs file too. My question is if this is realy necessary and if not, what I have to do. And if it is necessary where I can find good documentation (samples, explanation, etc.). And next question is: hat is difference between ramfs and initrd ??? Is it the same thing or not ... ??? Thanks a lot. Pat you don't need initrd. You don't need initramfs. You don't need to use genkernel (IMHO genkernel is evil). And you don't need ramfs. initrd/initramfs is mostly for distributions who want to compile everything as module, people with strange settings (like some kind of raid), or people too stupid to build their own kernel. If you build your kernel and build everything you need to boot into it, you can live without that crap. ... so the initramfs is not necessary for the SATA drive when it is not a module ??? Because I think I need it because of the SATA drive. if you compile sata support into the kernel, you don't need the initramfs stuff. I have a sata drive too. / and /home are on it. And I boot every day from it, without using a initrd or similar stuff. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation
I have the HP m7357c computer with the Asus P5LP-LE motherboard, 1.5 GB RAM. I am using the on-board audio card; Realtek ALC 882 CODEC, and the on-board network card; Intel 82562GT, and lastly the video card; NVIDIA GeForce 6200SE Turbo Cache On 2/21/07, Mark Kirkwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: nor does my network connection. We sort of need to know which nic you have. If you really have no clue use `lspci`. I believe it's on the livecd if you can't emerge pciutils due to the lack of network. `lsmod` or `dmesg | grep Link` executed from the livecd should be helpful too... Telling us the make and model no of your motherboard might mean we can give you a good hint about which network controller you need to configure! Also you may as well tell us the make and model of your video card too (unless its included on the motherboard), then we can suggest which of the various X config guides to use. Cheers Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation
Here are the errors I receive when I attempt startx; failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extentsions/libGLcore.so failed to load module GLcore (loader failed, 7) failed to load module VESA (module does not exist, 0) failed to load module kbd (module does not exist, 0) failed to load module 'mouse (module does not exist, 0) No Drivers Available On 2/21/07, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 21 February 2007 22:07:17 Scott W. McMikle wrote: I have used Mandriva and Kubuntu and several other distributions before I thought I would give Gentoo a try because I like to tweak and learn more about Linux. The live cd works great on my machine, but when I attempted to install Gentoo on that same machine, X does not work, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml It that doesn't help look for errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. # egrep (EE|WW) /var/log/Xorg.0.log nor does my network connection. We sort of need to know which nic you have. If you really have no clue use `lspci`. I believe it's on the livecd if you can't emerge pciutils due to the lack of network. `lsmod` or `dmesg | grep Link` executed from the livecd should be helpful too... -- Bo Andresen
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommendation
Forgive me, but I will need step by step instructions to recompile with the necessary driver. On 2/21/07, Paul Sebastian Ziegler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I dont know about your X Server (there are some great guides out there - don't despair, it never worked for me in the first run either) but I think I have a clue to whats with you network card: The LiveCD has a kernel with all the drivers enabled as modules (or probably build in). The kernel you compiled yourself will probably not have those. Try this: Find out what kind of network card you have (Bo Andresen wrote in his mail how to do this) - go back and configure the Kernel - you can find the ethernet-drivers under Device Drivers - Network Device Support - - Ethernet (10 or 100 Mbit) || Ethernet (1000 Mbit) || Ethernet (1 Mbit). Now find your card's driver (read the help-pages or search the web if you don't know it) and build it into your kernel (press y). Then recompile your kernel and boot it. You should see your card with ifconfig -a now. HTH Paul Scott W. McMikle schrieb: I have used Mandriva and Kubuntu and several other distributions before I thought I would give Gentoo a try because I like to tweak and learn more about Linux. The live cd works great on my machine, but when I attempted to install Gentoo on that same machine, X does not work, nor does my network connection. I have tried the Gentoo handbook, but I am unable to find the answers to solve my problems. I have found myself quickly over my head and now I begin to wonder if I am not quite ready for Gentoo. What would you all recommend? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF3MVcaHrXRd80sY8RCmUoAKDkTMYRcGsMiUScvsMcvk8IW1q7XQCg47LJ lMZoQdnx4W4HHzSZ2mGpnNE= =Q8vB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] off topic : Dolphin massacre in Japan
on 02/21/2007 08:39 PM Albert Hopkins wrote the following: On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 17:58 +, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) wrote: [...] I hate to be a nasty evil person and say this, but I will anyway - this has no place on a Gentoo mailing list IMO. Post it in the off topic section of the Gentoo forums I guess but posting these on a mailing list is pretty much spam. To the contrary, I think that the OP has a lot to do with Gentoo and Linux in general. You see every day, like the poor Japanese Dolphins, countless numbers of cows are murdered every day. I know. But at least I hope they are not tortured and killed the way these dolphins are. Plus, as you know, dolphins are not fish, but mammals just like cows and dogs are. And which one of the three is more clever and friend to man is another discussion (not for this list). And there is another difference: The killing of those dolphins. each year, in the numbers seen on the video, may be a threat to nature's ecological system. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???
On Thursday 22 February 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Wednesday 21 February 2007, pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???': First, I think the OP is confused between ramfs and initramfs.Not quite the same thing... But the thread has become about initramfs so we'll stick with that OK, so I have to search for ramfs. What tool is used to create initramsf file for boot or how to compile it into kernel and how to use it with grub ??? Each distro has their own, although I think they were mostly spawned from mkinitrd from RedHat. I believe genkernel now creates initramfs (as opposed to initrd) files, and may have support for compiling the initramfs into the kernel. genkernel will create an initramfs if you ask it to. The 'all' and 'initrd' arguments build the initramfs, as in genkernel all genkernel initrd Yes, the initrd argument does indeed build an initramfs and not an initrd And the OP should keep in mind that the initrd format was dumped many many kernel versions ago and these days we use initramfs, grub/lilo/xen loads an initramfs exactly the same as an initrd -- the kernel determines how to use the uncompressed data by looking for a cpio header. Yes, start with kernel documentation ... but something quicker ??? :-) Not that I've found. True. The only sane docs around I've ever found about this is Documentation/earlyuserspace.txt - it's a tough read, but it's all there alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ramfs - is it necessary ???
On Thursday 22 February 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: initrd/initramfs is mostly for distributions who want to compile everything as module, people with strange settings (like some kind of raid), or people too stupid to build their own kernel. If you build your kernel and build everything you need to boot into it, you can live without that crap. In all fairness, an initramfs and a fully modular kernel is the only realistic way to build a binary distro CDs for redistribution. Or the Gentoo LiveCDs for that matter. We *could* use the slackware approach and supply 10 basic kernels and ask you to choose the most appropriate one, but that never really caught on :-) But you are mostly right, around here in Gentoo-land it's become almost a guerilla rite of passage to be able to drop genkernel and roll your own (raid users excepted of course) alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
