[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Finer grained kde*-meta packages
· Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday 15 June 2007, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Re: Finer grained kde*-meta packages': Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 15 June 2007, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] But maybe dialup might be good. But that's details. Yes, much easier to understand. Well, fine. Details, details :) I mean, what's the advantage of the kde*-meta packages over the kde package, when the kde*-meta require just as much junk, as the kde package does? Hm, really, what's the use of the kde*-meta package anyway? The kde-meta package is meant to replace the kde package. The is no advantage (and without a workable confcache, at least one disadvantage) to running split ebuilds. The advantage of split ebilds is that you have the choice to install only the kde applications you want, by using the individual ebaulds, without dragging in all of kde (which is what old style kde packages pulled in as a dependency.) But with using the kde*-meta package, this advantage doesn't exist. Right, because kde*-meta is supposed to replace, and act as much as possible like the monolithic kde* package. If you don't want all of kdenetwork you don't install kdenetwork-meta, you install individual applications from kdenetwork. Well, but as kdenetwork-meta is a dependency of kde-meta, this solution means, that about 300 packages should be manually listed, just because one package is not wanted. Because of that, this is not really a solution - at least not a good one. Alexander Skwar -- Judges, as a class, display, in the matter of arranging alimony, that reckless generosity which is found only in men who are giving away someone else's cash. -- P.G. Wodehouse, Louder and Funnier -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Finer grained kde*-meta packages
On Saturday 16 June 2007, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Finer grained kde*-meta packages': · Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Right, because kde*-meta is supposed to replace, and act as much as possible like the monolithic kde* package. If you don't want all of kdenetwork you don't install kdenetwork-meta, you install individual applications from kdenetwork. Well, but as kdenetwork-meta is a dependency of kde-meta, this solution means, that about 300 packages should be manually listed, just because one package is not wanted. No, because as I covered in my other reply, you can still use kdebase-meta, kdepim-meta, etc. to pull is all the packages from those parts of kde and only list individual applications from the parts you don't want everything from (in your case you should be able to use every kdefoo-meta 'cept for kdenetwork-meta). For your particular use case it's still 30 packages, not 300. Sure, maybe that's still too many. Perhaps a recommends/suggests dependency type (all recommends would be post-dependencies) to allow a package to install even if all of the packages that satisfy one of it's recommend atoms are masked would be better, but you'll have to take that up with the developers responsible for specifying the EAPI levels. Careful how you phrase any suggestion though or you'll just get shouted down by Gentoo isn't Debian replies. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Make portage assume, that a package is installed
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[gentoo-user] lvm without initrd
Hi! I'd like to know which parts of my system need to stay on traditional partitions and which directories can be moved to an lvm if I don't want to use initrd and still be able to boot. I think it's safe to move /home but what do I do with /var, /usr, /tmp and /opt? Thanks in advance! Florian Philipp pgp6Np58wEw7q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] lvm without initrd
On Saturday 16 June 2007, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] lvm without initrd': I'd like to know which parts of my system need to stay on traditional partitions and which directories can be moved to an lvm if I don't want to use initrd and still be able to boot. Anything 'cept / (and /boot of course) can live on LVM without the need for an initrd. Of course, /lib and /etc can't be on separate block devices from /. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] lvm without initrd
Am Samstag, 16. Juni 2007 schrieb Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.: On Saturday 16 June 2007, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about '[gentoo-user] lvm without initrd': I'd like to know which parts of my system need to stay on traditional partitions and which directories can be moved to an lvm if I don't want to use initrd and still be able to boot. Anything 'cept / (and /boot of course) can live on LVM without the need for an initrd. Yep, and even swap can be a logical volume. So here is an example partition layout: [hs]da1: /boot,64M,ext2 (a little bit larger than needed, 32M would also be sufficient.) [hs]da2: /,256M,choose whatever fs you prefer [hs]da3: LVM,everything else Make sure to create LVs for at least /opt, /var, /usr. Regarding /home, I prefer one LV per user, mounted via automounter. I also add three more LVs for the Gentoo related stuff, also mounted via automounter: /gentoo/overlays (portage tree and other overlays, ~1G) /gentoo/distfiles (~2G) /gentoo/build (size depends, mine is currently ~5G to satisfy openoffice builds). HTH... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] lvm without initrd
On Sat, 2007-06-16 at 14:45 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote: I'd like to know which parts of my system need to stay on traditional partitions and which directories can be moved to an lvm if I don't want to use initrd and still be able to boot. Pretty much what everyone else has said. The only reason you *need* an initrd is to be able to mount the root partition. Since usually the init process starts the device mapper, finds your LVM volumes and sets device nodes, etc, and init depends on / being mounted. You have the chicken and egg problem. The initrd solves that problem by creating an initial /, assembling the LVM volumes, and then mounting the real /. Also you should make sure that /boot is either on / or on it's own non-LVM partition as most boot loaders don't understand LVM either (though I hear GRUB 2 will). I've used setups with a 4GB non-LVM root and everything else on LVM though YMMV. Refer to the FHS for what should be contained in the root fs. -- Albert W. Hopkins -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: lvm without initrd
· Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi! I'd like to know which parts of my system need to stay on traditional partitions and which directories can be moved to an lvm if I don't want to use initrd and still be able to boot. If you don't want to use an initrd, / needs to stay traditional. And as Grub cannot use LVM either, /boot also needs to stay traditional. From the top level directories, thus the following need to stay traditional/cannot be moved to LVM: / /boot /bin /lib /sbin /dev /proc I think it's safe to move /home but what do I do with /var, /usr, /tmp and /opt? They can all be on LVM. Alexander Skwar -- You do not beg the sun for mercy. -- Maud'dib's Travail from The Stilgar Commentary -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Modelling software - free - preferably easy to install under Gentoo.
I have some (say 100) discrete data sequences sampling a single analogue system with time-stamp data. I would like to do some analysis on these signals to see if there are any interesting things that can be demonstrated - for example, if I could show a strong correlation in the signals between two times, but none at other times, I might be able to conclude that there was communication of some description, but only for a fixed duration. At the moment I'm open minded about what kind of software I'd want to employ - and also about what I'd like to prove. Essentially, I'd like to analyse the data for features - then ask if they correspond with system events I'm already broadly aware about (rather than vice-versa.) Can anyone point me in the right direction, please? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] make oldconfig behaviour
Hi all, I faced an ethernet driver miss during my kernel configuration, because I had a wrong idea of what 'make oldconfig' did. I thought the oldconfig target build up a new .config file starting from the /proc/config.gz one then asking for new options. But It was not the case here: sd-4421 linux-2.6.20-gentoo-r8 # gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | grep VIA CONFIG_MVIAC3_2=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_VIA=y CONFIG_VIA_RHINE=y # CONFIG_VIA_RHINE_MMIO is not set # CONFIG_VIA_RHINE_NAPI is not set CONFIG_VIA_VELOCITY=y CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_VIA=y CONFIG_I2C_VIA=m CONFIG_I2C_VIAPRO=m # CONFIG_SENSORS_VIA686A is not set sd-4421 linux-2.6.20-gentoo-r8 # make mrproper oldconfig [snip] sd-4421 linux-2.6.20-gentoo-r8 # grep VIA .config # CONFIG_MVIAC3_2 is not set # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX is not set CONFIG_SATA_VIA=y # CONFIG_PATA_VIA is not set # CONFIG_VIA_RHINE is not set # CONFIG_VIA_VELOCITY is not set CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_VIA=y # CONFIG_AGP_VIA is not set # CONFIG_SOUND_VIA82CXXX is not set So, I did not build up the VIA RHINE and VELOCITY drivers. Now I have to build my conf again since the whole configuration may not suit what I was looking for. Anyone to tell me what oldconfig target does ? Many thanks for your support, Gal' -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Modelling software - free - preferably easy to install under Gentoo.
On 6/17/07, Steve [Gentoo] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have some (say 100) discrete data sequences sampling a single analogue
system with time-stamp data.
I would like to do some analysis on these signals to see if there are
any interesting things that can be demonstrated - for example, if I
could show a strong correlation in the signals between two times, but
none at other times, I might be able to conclude that there was
communication of some description, but only for a fixed duration.
At the moment I'm open minded about what kind of software I'd want to
employ - and also about what I'd like to prove. Essentially, I'd like
to analyse the data for features - then ask if they correspond with
system events I'm already broadly aware about (rather than vice-versa.)
Can anyone point me in the right direction, please?
Not exactly sure what your asking for, but if the data can be
represented as an audio stream of some description you may want to
look at baudline, its a great tool, but not in portage.
Basicaly an FFT time/frequency analysis tool
http://www.baudline.com/
If its of no use to you, It will probably still have the 'oh thats so
cool' attributes :)
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[gentoo-user] Re: make oldconfig behaviour
· Galevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now I have to build my conf again since the whole configuration may not suit what I was looking for. Take your old .config as a base. Anyone to tell me what oldconfig target does ? It takes the .config it finds in the source directory and builds the config from there. If there are new selections in the new kernel, you'll be asked for the value they should get. In short: Before running make oldconfig, copy the .config from your old kernel to your new kernel tree and then run make oldconfig. Alexander Skwar -- Linux! Guerrilla UNIX Development Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus. -- Mark A. Horton KA4YBR, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Modelling software - free - preferably easy to install under Gentoo.
Steve [Gentoo] gentoo_steve at shic.co.uk writes: I have some (say 100) discrete data sequences sampling a single analogue system with time-stamp data. It's unclear what you are after. Advice on which mathematical approaches will work or which software contains those mathematical approaches? Matlab is the standard for mathematical analysis of all sorts of phenomenon, from a mathematical perspective. I would like to do some analysis on these signals to see if there are any interesting things that can be demonstrated - for example, if I could show a strong correlation in the signals between two times, but none at other times, I might be able to conclude that there was communication of some description, but only for a fixed duration. Very unclear what you are saying. Are these signals related to events in your network? More information will help. At the moment I'm open minded about what kind of software I'd want to employ - and also about what I'd like to prove. Essentially, I'd like to analyse the data for features - then ask if they correspond with system events I'm already broadly aware about (rather than vice-versa.) Can anyone point me in the right direction, please? You might want to 'cd /usr/portage' and then pick a dir... 'cd sci-mathematics' and emerge some software who's description you find potentially interesting for example 'exi octave' reveals: * sci-mathematics/koctave Available versions: 0.65-r1 Homepage:http://athlone.ath.cx/~matti/kde/koctave/ Description: A KDE GUI for Octave numerical computing system * sci-mathematics/octave Available versions: 2.1.57-r1 2.1.69 ~2.1.71-r2 ~2.1.72 2.1.73 ~2.1.73-r1 ~2.1.73-r2 Homepage:http://www.octave.org/ Description: GNU Octave is a high-level language (MatLab compatible) intended for numerical computations * sci-mathematics/octave-forge Available versions: ~2004.11.16-r1 2004.11.16-r2 ~2005.06.13 ~2005.06.13-r1 ~2006.01.28 2006.03.17 ~2006.03.17-r1 Homepage:http://octave.sourceforge.net/ Description: A collection of custom scripts, functions and extensions for GNU Octave hth, James -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: make oldconfig behaviour
Many thanks Alexander, I misunderstood what oldconfig means. just any existing .config file into ... into the src dir. LOL. Thanks again. Gal' 2007/6/16, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: · Galevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now I have to build my conf again since the whole configuration may not suit what I was looking for. Take your old .config as a base. Anyone to tell me what oldconfig target does ? It takes the .config it finds in the source directory and builds the config from there. If there are new selections in the new kernel, you'll be asked for the value they should get. In short: Before running make oldconfig, copy the .config from your old kernel to your new kernel tree and then run make oldconfig. Alexander Skwar -- Linux! Guerrilla UNIX Development Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus. -- Mark A. Horton KA4YBR, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list z� ��(��j)b� b�
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: lvm without initrd
Am Samstag, 16. Juni 2007 schrieb Alexander Skwar: I think it's safe to move /home but what do I do with /var, /usr, /tmp and /opt? They can all be on LVM. Yep. But if you have enough RAM, you could also put /tmp on tmpfs. Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] network trouble
hello, I'm trying to install on a Gigabyte M61PM-S2. that card works well, but uses some chipsets that are only supported in the latest kernels. Network is such a chipset, it's an nvidia nForce 430 chipset that uses a Realtek RTL8211 PHY that, apparently, does not require drivers (if I understand it rignt it's the nvidia part that has drivers. Now the problem I don't understand: I've installed from the 2007.0 minimal install CD, using a stage 3. net-setup finds the card and configures it. It says it uses the forcedeth module. And it works perfectly, with fast downloads. After compiling a kernel (I've used genkernel) and a succesful reboot I have the following situation: the forcedeth module is loaded revolv.conf and /etc/conf.d/net seem to be OK. They look just the same as those on my other machine running Sabayon. If I ping the local IP there is no problem but I can't ping any computer on my network, nor can I ping my gateway It can't be the crad itself, as it works when I use the install CD. So where should I look to find the answer? Thierry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] lvm without initrd
Am Samstag 16 Juni 2007 14:45 schrieb Florian Philipp: Hi! I'd like to know which parts of my system need to stay on traditional partitions and which directories can be moved to an lvm if I don't want to use initrd and still be able to boot. I think it's safe to move /home but what do I do with /var, /usr, /tmp and /opt? Thanks in advance! Florian Philipp Thanks everyone for your answers! pgp26VZ5sdg0y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] network trouble
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, June 16, 2007 19:57, Thierry de Coulon wrote: hello, I'm trying to install on a Gigabyte M61PM-S2. that card works well, but uses some chipsets that are only supported in the latest kernels. Network is such a chipset, it's an nvidia nForce 430 chipset that uses a Realtek RTL8211 PHY that, apparently, does not require drivers (if I understand it rignt it's the nvidia part that has drivers. Now the problem I don't understand: I've installed from the 2007.0 minimal install CD, using a stage 3. net-setup finds the card and configures it. It says it uses the forcedeth module. And it works perfectly, with fast downloads. After compiling a kernel (I've used genkernel) and a succesful reboot I have the following situation: the forcedeth module is loaded revolv.conf and /etc/conf.d/net seem to be OK. They look just the same as those on my other machine running Sabayon. If I ping the local IP there is no problem but I can't ping any computer on my network, nor can I ping my gateway Coud you provide us the output of dmesg according forcedeth module (dmesg |grep forcedeth), route -n, ifconfig ethX and /etc/conf.d/net ... It can't be the crad itself, as it works when I use the install CD. So where should I look to find the answer? Thierry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list - -- http://www.linuxant.fr/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGdE44mSNaOeTZvg0RAriVAJ9zd1rPmxVak58jfpHuPMjV7ABT4QCeKx73 lRfGByM/27cmstAlNWc4zOw= =R4R2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] network trouble
On 16 June 2007, Thierry de Coulon wrote: hello, I'm trying to install on a Gigabyte M61PM-S2. that card works well, but uses some chipsets that are only supported in the latest kernels. Network is such a chipset, it's an nvidia nForce 430 chipset that uses a Realtek RTL8211 PHY that, apparently, does not require drivers (if I understand it rignt it's the nvidia part that has drivers. Now the problem I don't understand: I've installed from the 2007.0 minimal install CD, using a stage 3. net-setup finds the card and configures it. It says it uses the forcedeth module. And it works perfectly, with fast downloads. After compiling a kernel (I've used genkernel) and a succesful reboot I have the following situation: the forcedeth module is loaded revolv.conf and /etc/conf.d/net seem to be OK. They look just the same as those on my other machine running Sabayon. A guess from what I have read on another list: You have a conflict because both drivers (modules) are loaded, the RLT one and forcedeth. If you remove the RLT module, does is work? Uwe -- The Informal Linux Group Namibia: http://www.linux.org.na SysEx (Pty) Ltd.: http://www.SysEx.com.na -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] network trouble (solved)
On Saturday 16 June 2007 22:55, Xavier Parizet wrote: Coud you provide us the output of dmesg according forcedeth module (dmesg |grep forcedeth), route -n, ifconfig ethX and /etc/conf.d/net ... I could, but this is no more necessary On Saturday 16 June 2007 23:20, Uwe Thiem wrote: A guess from what I have read on another list: You have a conflict because both drivers (modules) are loaded, the RLT one and forcedeth. If you remove the RLT module, does is work? Uwe Your guess was wrong, Uwe, but it did help me get on the right track. There is no RTL driver for that chip but... looking another time at the output of lsmod and getting the ansers to Xavier's demands I realized that I the system said that eth0 did not exists - but gave it an IP anyway. SO I wondered who could be stealing my eth0 and sure enough, it was eth1394! So although I did configure the ethernet card as eth0 during install, after reboot the firewire port took eth0 and the nforce card became eth1... So now I have put a (useless) config for eth0 in /etc/conf.d/net (perhaps I could remove it, but I don't know) and tranfered my settings on eth1, and I got my network back. Thanks you both for your help! Now is time to start emerge kde and go to bed! Thierry -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Getting ctrl-left/ctrl-right to jump backward/forward by word in non-x console
I just noticed that on all my Gentoo boxes, you can't jump around by word using ctrl-arrow_key in the non-x console. It works fine in xterm/Eterm/etc. while running X, but doesn't directly on the console. I haven't had a chance yet to try it on another distro. Does anyone know how to get this to work? Here's the backward-word/forward-word lines from my /etc/inputrc: # gnome-terminal (escape + arrow key) \e[5C: forward-word \e[5D: backward-word # konsole / xterm / rxvt (escape + arrow key) \e\e[C: forward-word \e\e[D: backward-word # konsole (alt + arrow key) \e[1;3C: forward-word \e[1;3D: backward-word # aterm / eterm (control + arrow key) \eOc: forward-word \eOd: backward-word # xterm \e[1;5C: forward-word \e[1;5D: backward-word
