[gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
As the subject says, here's what I get: /bin/sh: line 3: 10089 Abandon ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall -D ../../dist/public/dbm make[1]: *** [../../dist/public/dbm] Erreur 134 make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/dbm/include » make: *** [export] Erreur 2 * ERROR: dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 failed: * dbm make failed * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 54: Called src_compile * environment, line 2703: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * emake -j1 CC=$(tc-getCC) || die dbm make failed; * * If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8', * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8'. * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/environment'. * S: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8' Failed to emerge dev-libs/nss-3.12.8, Log file: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log' * Messages for package dev-libs/nss-3.12.8: * ERROR: dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 failed: * dbm make failed * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 54: Called src_compile * environment, line 2703: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * emake -j1 CC=$(tc-getCC) || die dbm make failed; * * If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8', * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8'. * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/environment'. * S: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8' isba alain # emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 [ebuild U ] dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 [3.12.7] USE=utils isba alain # emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 Portage 2.1.8.3 (hardened/linux/amd64/10.0, gcc-4.4.4, glibc-2.11.2-r3, 2.6.34-gentoo-r12 x86_64) Any cue ?
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
Apparently, though unproven, at 10:21 on Tuesday 09 November 2010, alain.didierj...@free.fr did opine thusly: As the subject says, here's what I get: What's the output just before the section you posted? /bin/sh: line 3: 10089 Abandon ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_ 64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall -D ../../dist/public/dbm make[1]: *** [../../dist/public/dbm] Erreur 134 make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/dbm/i nclude » make: *** [export] Erreur 2 * ERROR: dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 failed: * dbm make failed * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 54: Called src_compile * environment, line 2703: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * emake -j1 CC=$(tc-getCC) || die dbm make failed; * * If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8', * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8'. * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/environment'. * S: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8' Failed to emerge dev-libs/nss-3.12.8, Log file: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log' * Messages for package dev-libs/nss-3.12.8: * ERROR: dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 failed: * dbm make failed * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 54: Called src_compile * environment, line 2703: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * emake -j1 CC=$(tc-getCC) || die dbm make failed; * * If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8', * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8'. * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/environment'. * S: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8' isba alain # emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 [ebuild U ] dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 [3.12.7] USE=utils isba alain # emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 Portage 2.1.8.3 (hardened/linux/amd64/10.0, gcc-4.4.4, glibc-2.11.2-r3, 2.6.34-gentoo-r12 x86_64) Any cue ? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[solved] Re: [gentoo-user] Setup for two graphical logins on one machine
Hi everybody, I managed to get it running as I wished. The only thing, that I couldn't solve in a nice way was using fluxbox instead of Xfce upon login in xdm, but a little hack did the trick. I left my setup as described and added an init-script /etc/init.d/xdm2 which is mostly copy and paste from /etc/init.d/xdm trimmed down to what I actually need. It simply starts xdm, which does the Right Things(tm) after configuration. I edited /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers to account for the allready running X. Then I hacked /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to point to fluxbox in a hard-coded way. That's it. Works fine :) Markus -- Aoccdrnig to a threoy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer are in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it in msot csaes. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. And I awlyas thought slpeling was ipmorantt. xdm2 Description: Binary data Xservers Description: Binary data xdm-config Description: Binary data
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone using consolekit?
I don't know how to solve this, but I hope the following messages may help you. Messages generated by process 14982 on 2010-10-18 23:54:00 CST for package sys-auth/polkit-0.96-r1: WARN: postinst If you don't use GDM or KDM for logging in, you must start your desktop environment (DE) as follows: ck-launch-session $STARTGUI Where $STARTGUI is a DE-starting command such as 'gnome-session'. You should add this to your ~/.xinitrc if you use startx. End. 2010/11/6 walt w41...@gmail.com When I turned on the consolekit useflag, all the nice auto-mounting stuff in gnome stopped working. The cause seems to be that when I'm using X, I'm listed by ck-list-sessions as both non-active and non-local, so I can't mount e.g. a usb stick unless I switch to a virtual console where I'm recognized as both local and active. I don't know if this is a bug or a feature, or maybe I need to reconfigure something. Any opinions on how consolekit should handle this fairly common scenario? I can fix my problem by turning off the consolekit useflag, of course, but I'd rather learn something :) -- Jian Li
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with upgrading portage
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:04 on Tuesday 09 November 2010, Benyamin Dvoskin did opine thusly: Hi Everyone , I am actually quite new to Gentoo , so give me a break if my question is a newbie one. anyway , while installing Gentoo , I got to the point where I want to compile the kernel , and for that I've done the following : emerge --sync it did the sync , but stated at the end that I must upgrade portage using emerge portage so I tried that , and it doesn't seem to work , but giving out the following output : * --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.05-r1 This syntax needs an operator before it, something like , =, This is true for any line in any of those files with a version number. In this case, you can delete the line entirely. That package and version is marked stable and is always available so there is no need to keyword it at all. Calculating dependencies / !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy dev-perl/Locale-gettext have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.05-r1 (masked by: EAPI 2) You are getting this because of the above incorrect line in the keywords file For more info, read the keywords and masking sections of the Gentoo Install Doc, and the portage man pages - all of them. Actually, just read them all several times. emerge(1) ebuild(5) make.conf(5) portage(5) There's no easy way round this. To drive Gentoo effectively, you MUST read and study the man pages in depth. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with upgrading portage
On 11/09/2010 06:04 AM, Benyamin Dvoskin wrote: Hi Everyone , I am actually quite new to Gentoo , so give me a break if my question is a newbie one. anyway , while installing Gentoo , I got to the point where I want to compile the kernel , and for that I've done the following : emerge --sync it did the sync , but stated at the end that I must upgrade portage using emerge portage so I tried that , and it doesn't seem to work , but giving out the following output : / --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.05-r1 Calculating dependencies / !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy dev-perl/Locale-gettext have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.05-r1 (masked by: EAPI 2) The current version of portage supports EAPI '1'. You must upgrade to a newer version of portage before EAPI masked packages can be installed. For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. (dependency required by sys-apps/help2man-1.37.1 [ebuild]) /What should I do to solve this ? I've googled it , yet haven't found a solution ... ( found some stuff about it , but couldn't make it work ) please help ... Benny, welcome to the club. Try env-update then source /etc/profile. The env-update command straightens out all the /etc/env.d directories for the new software that you installed. You're at the hard part, here, so keep going. After that, just post for us the output from emerge --info and a little basic info about the machine you're running.
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with upgrading portage
Benyamin Dvoskin writes: Hi Everyone , I am actually quite new to Gentoo , so give me a break if my question is a newbie one. Welcome :) anyway , while installing Gentoo , I got to the point where I want to compile the kernel , and for that I've done the following : emerge --sync it did the sync , but stated at the end that I must upgrade portage using emerge portage This is a suggestion, but not really necessary. You can probably also just emerge your kernel if you like to continue with this, and deal with the portage update later. so I tried that , and it doesn't seem to work , but giving out the following output : * --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.05-r1 The format in this file is either category/package, or something like =category/package-version. The '=' may also be something like '' or '='. So this line is being ignored, and the package is still masked. I'd add a '=', or change it like this: ~dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.05 This means that you want version 1.05, including all r-something versions which usually are small (probably security) updates you want to have. Calculating dependencies / !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy dev-perl/Locale-gettext have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.05-r1 (masked by: EAPI 2) The current version of portage supports EAPI '1'. You must upgrade to a newer version of portage before EAPI masked packages can be installed. Oky, it seems this package needs a newer portage than you have, but you cannot install this portage because it needs the package... strange, btu these things hapen from time to time. Is your install CD an old one? If you have gentoolkit installed, you can use the equery command to find out what a package depends on: wo...@weird ~ $ equery depends Locale-gettext * These packages depend on Locale-gettext: games-arcade/frozen-bubble-2.2.0 (dev-perl/Locale-gettext) sys-apps/help2man-1.38.2 (nls ? dev-perl/Locale-gettext) So, I have it too, because frozen-bubble needs it. And help2man, if the nls USE flag is set. Try this: USE=-nls emerge portage So you install portage and dependencies temporarily without nls support. Once you have the new portage, you can emerge it again, and this time Locale-gettext will be included as a dependency. Good luck, Wonko
[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
On 2010-11-09, Florian Philipp li...@f_philipp.fastmail.net wrote: Am 09.11.2010 05:52, schrieb Grant: This is OT, but you guys have proven extremely insightful over the years and I would love to hear what you think. I've been working on a particular software project for a long time. I'd like to hire a team of developers to take over the project, but I consider the code to be valuable and I'd like to keep the whole of it secure, even from my own developers. You can't work on code you can't understand. If you try, you just end up breaking things. I was thinking I could do this by using some technique to obfuscate the true intention of the code modules. Maybe a recorded series of search/replaces for variable names which are reversed once code editing is complete? Has any software been made available to aid in an endeavor like this? About what programming language are we talking? For Java and Javascript, there is a range of obfuscators available. For C/C++, I don't think it is really necessary. Can't you simply put your stuff into a binary-only library? Read the OP again. He wants to obsfuscate the code to make it unreadable for the people he's hiring to work on it. It would be simpler and cheaper to hire developers who don't understand programming language in question, computers, programming in general, or even english. Then don't let them access any computers that have the source code. You'll get better results that way -- far fewer bugs will be introduced. 1/2 :) -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I think my career at is ruined! gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Problem with upgrading portage
Hi Everyone , I am actually quite new to Gentoo , so give me a break if my question is a newbie one. anyway , while installing Gentoo , I got to the point where I want to compile the kernel , and for that I've done the following : emerge --sync it did the sync , but stated at the end that I must upgrade portage using emerge portage so I tried that , and it doesn't seem to work , but giving out the following output : * --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.05-r1 Calculating dependencies / !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy dev-perl/Locale-gettext have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.05-r1 (masked by: EAPI 2) The current version of portage supports EAPI '1'. You must upgrade to a newer version of portage before EAPI masked packages can be installed. For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. (dependency required by sys-apps/help2man-1.37.1 [ebuild]) *What should I do to solve this ? I've googled it , yet haven't found a solution ... ( found some stuff about it , but couldn't make it work ) please help ... Thanks a lot Benny
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with upgrading portage
Hi , Thanks for the suggestions. In the proccess of trying to understand my possible mistake I'm wondering , which stage3 file should I use ? the i686 or the i486 ? I'm trying to install it on an Asus EEEPC 1005ha netbook which stage should I use ? ( and I suppose i'll have to use the same with the CFLAGS .. ? ) Thanks, Benny On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Bill Longman bill.long...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/09/2010 06:04 AM, Benyamin Dvoskin wrote: Hi Everyone , I am actually quite new to Gentoo , so give me a break if my question is a newbie one. anyway , while installing Gentoo , I got to the point where I want to compile the kernel , and for that I've done the following : emerge --sync it did the sync , but stated at the end that I must upgrade portage using emerge portage so I tried that , and it doesn't seem to work , but giving out the following output : / --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.05-r1 Calculating dependencies / !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy dev-perl/Locale-gettext have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - dev-perl/Locale-gettext-1.05-r1 (masked by: EAPI 2) The current version of portage supports EAPI '1'. You must upgrade to a newer version of portage before EAPI masked packages can be installed. For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. (dependency required by sys-apps/help2man-1.37.1 [ebuild]) /What should I do to solve this ? I've googled it , yet haven't found a solution ... ( found some stuff about it , but couldn't make it work ) please help ... Benny, welcome to the club. Try env-update then source /etc/profile. The env-update command straightens out all the /etc/env.d directories for the new software that you installed. You're at the hard part, here, so keep going. After that, just post for us the output from emerge --info and a little basic info about the machine you're running.
[gentoo-user] Suspect fs, or suspect disk, or something else?
Hi All, I've had at least 3 fs corruptions on a Reiser4 fs, in as many months. I understand that the fs type is experimental, but am wondering if it is the fs at fault here or Dell's hard drive: === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === Model Family: Seagate Momentus 7200.4 series Device Model: ST9500420ASG Serial Number:5VJ377P2 Firmware Version: 0004SDM1 User Capacity:500,107,862,016 bytes Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] ATA Version is: 8 ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 4 Local Time is:Tue Nov 9 15:42:19 2010 GMT I've run a short and long test with smartmontools and it passed both. I need to mention here that the machine is a laptop which I use regularly on train journeys (bumpy ride). The drive has a Seagate G-Force Protection™ which is meant to park the head in case of a fall. Could this be causing the problems I'm experiencing? Shall I abandon this fs and opt for another? -- Regards, Mick
[gentoo-user] Openconnect, Failed to open tun device
Hi all, Anyone out there that has installed Openconnect and has it connecting to a VPN? I need to get into my Uni's vpn, and being on linux, the Cisco thingy is useless. I'm attempting to use openconnect, which I've got from an overlay. I've installed it and when I try to start it up, as root, with the command: openconnect --script /etc/vpnc/vpnc-script https://sslvpn.curtin.edu.au I get: Attempting to connect to 134.7.249.196:443 SSL negotiation with sslvpn.curtin.edu.au Connected to HTTPS on sslvpn.curtin.edu.au GET https://sslvpn.curtin.edu.au/ Got HTTP response: HTTP/1.0 302 Temporary moved SSL negotiation with sslvpn.curtin.edu.au Connected to HTTPS on sslvpn.curtin.edu.au GET https://sslvpn.curtin.edu.au/+webvpn+/index.html?tgroup=VPN-SSL-GROUP Got HTTP response: HTTP/1.1 303 See Other GET https://sslvpn.curtin.edu.au/+webvpn+/index.html?tgroup=VPN-SSL-GROUPtgcookieset=1 Got HTTP response: HTTP/1.1 303 See Other GET https://sslvpn.curtin.edu.au/+webvpn+/index.html Please enter your username and password. Username:MY_USERNAME_GOES_HERE Password:MY_PASSWORD_GOES_HERE POST https://sslvpn.curtin.edu.au/+webvpn+/index.html Got CONNECT response: HTTP/1.1 200 OK CSTP connected. DPD 10, Keepalive 180 Failed to open tun device: No such file or directory From my reading of the openconnect website, which is quite bare, I don't need a tun driver if I'm running as root - correct? In my kernel I have: bluey etc # grep -n TUN /usr/src/linux/.config 532:CONFIG_INET_XFRM_TUNNEL=y 533:CONFIG_INET_TUNNEL=y 535:CONFIG_INET_XFRM_MODE_TUNNEL=y 816:# CONFIG_TUN is not set bluey etc # Any other thoughts on what I should have? Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with upgrading portage
Benyamin Dvoskin writes: In the proccess of trying to understand my possible mistake I'm wondering , which stage3 file should I use ? the i686 or the i486 ? I'm trying to install it on an Asus EEEPC 1005ha netbook i686 if you want a 32 bit OS, x86_64 for 64 bit. which stage should I use ? ( and I suppose i'll have to use the same with the CFLAGS .. ? ) Have a look here: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags http://en.gentoo- wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags/Intel#Atom_230.2C_Atom_330.2C_Atom_N-Series Or use -march=native, if you compile locally. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Suspect fs, or suspect disk, or something else?
Mick writes: I've had at least 3 fs corruptions on a Reiser4 fs, in as many months. I understand that the fs type is experimental, but am wondering if it is the fs at fault here or Dell's hard drive: [...] I've run a short and long test with smartmontools and it passed both. You could also try badblocks [-n]. I need to mention here that the machine is a laptop which I use regularly on train journeys (bumpy ride). The drive has a Seagate G-Force Protection™ which is meant to park the head in case of a fall. Which probably would not help in the train, unless you drop it there. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with upgrading portage
whats the i468 for ? On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: Benyamin Dvoskin writes: In the proccess of trying to understand my possible mistake I'm wondering , which stage3 file should I use ? the i686 or the i486 ? I'm trying to install it on an Asus EEEPC 1005ha netbook i686 if you want a 32 bit OS, x86_64 for 64 bit. which stage should I use ? ( and I suppose i'll have to use the same with the CFLAGS .. ? ) Have a look here: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags http://en.gentoo- wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags/Intel#Atom_230.2C_Atom_330.2C_Atom_N-Series Or use -march=native, if you compile locally. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Suspect fs, or suspect disk, or something else?
2010/11/9 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: Hi All, I've had at least 3 fs corruptions on a Reiser4 fs, in as many months. I understand that the fs type is experimental, but am wondering if it is the fs at fault here or Dell's hard drive: Check your RAM using memtest86. -- Maciej Grela
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with upgrading portage
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 17:00:01 +0100, Alex Schuster wrote:
I'm trying to install it on an Asus EEEPC 1005ha netbook
i686 if you want a 32 bit OS, x86_64 for 64 bit.
The 1005HA has a 32 bit CPU.
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-O2 -march=prescott -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
MAKEOPTS=-j3
works for me, or you could use -march=native.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
Read the OP again. He wants to obsfuscate the code to make it unreadable for the people he's hiring to work on it. It would be simpler and cheaper to hire developers who don't understand programming language in question, computers, programming in general, or even english. Then don't let them access any computers that have the source code. You'll get better results that way -- far fewer bugs will be introduced. The idea isn't to make the code unreadable. Obviously anyone working on it needs to be able to read and understand it. This idea was brought on while reading a Wikipedia page about modular programming: Theoretically, a modularized software project will be more easily assembled by large teams, since no team members are creating the whole system, or even need to know about the system as a whole. They can focus just on the assigned smaller task. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_programming I don't mind system administration but I don't want to be a programmer any more. I'd like to hire programmers to work in the manner described above. They would each work on modules and not know about the system as a whole. How can something like this be implemented? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
On 9 November 2010 09:14, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: Theoretically, a modularized software project will be more easily assembled by large teams, since no team members are creating the whole system, or even need to know about the system as a whole. They can focus just on the assigned smaller task. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_programming I don't mind system administration but I don't want to be a programmer any more. I'd like to hire programmers to work in the manner described above. They would each work on modules and not know about the system as a whole. How can something like this be implemented? Okay, so this has nothing to do with obfuscation, not trusting people, or protecting IP. This is normal software development. One would want to break a large application into manageable pieces. Usually, those pieces would be libraries (where the meaning of library depends on your programming language of choice: SOs, DLLs, JARs, etcetera). If your application is monolithic right now then you (and/or your developers) will have to spend some time modularizing it. So is your question really how do I modularize my code?
[gentoo-user] 32bit-Executables on a AMD64 system...
Hi, it is possible to run a 32-bit binary executable on a 64-bit system (AMD64). But: Is it possible to compile source code on a 64-bit system and get an 32-bit executable a the result ??? And if 'yes'...how??? Thank you very much for any help in advance! Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit-Executables on a AMD64 system...
On 9. 11. 2010 18:25, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: But: Is it possible to compile source code on a 64-bit system and get an 32-bit executable a the result ??? And if 'yes'...how??? I think that is what cross-compilation is good for... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit-Executables on a AMD64 system...
2010/11/9 meino.cra...@gmx.de:
Hi,
it is possible to run a 32-bit binary executable on a 64-bit system
(AMD64).
But: Is it possible to compile source code on a 64-bit system and get
an 32-bit executable a the result ??? And if 'yes'...how???
gr...@kraken ~ $ cat test.c
void main() {}
gr...@kraken ~ $ gcc -o a.out.64 test.c
gr...@kraken ~ $ gcc -m32 -o a.out.32 test.c
gr...@kraken ~ $ file a.out.*
a.out.32: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
(GNU/Linux), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux
2.6.9, not stripped
a.out.64: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux),
dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not
stripped
gr...@kraken ~ $
Br,
Maciej Grela
Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit-Executables on a AMD64 system...
Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com [10-11-09 18:36]: On 9. 11. 2010 18:25, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: But: Is it possible to compile source code on a 64-bit system and get an 32-bit executable a the result ??? And if 'yes'...how??? I think that is what cross-compilation is good for... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted. Is there a toolchain already setup for cross-compiling 32-bit executables on a AMD64 system, or do I have to do all that cross- compiling magic by myself ? Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit-Executables on a AMD64 system...
Maciej Grela maciej.gr...@gmail.com [10-11-09 18:40]:
2010/11/9 meino.cra...@gmx.de:
Hi,
it is possible to run a 32-bit binary executable on a 64-bit system
(AMD64).
But: Is it possible to compile source code on a 64-bit system and get
an 32-bit executable a the result ??? And if 'yes'...how???
gr...@kraken ~ $ cat test.c
void main() {}
gr...@kraken ~ $ gcc -o a.out.64 test.c
gr...@kraken ~ $ gcc -m32 -o a.out.32 test.c
gr...@kraken ~ $ file a.out.*
a.out.32: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
(GNU/Linux), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux
2.6.9, not stripped
a.out.64: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux),
dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not
stripped
gr...@kraken ~ $
Br,
Maciej Grela
Oh YEAH! That's a definition of straight forward I do like very much!
Thanks a lot, Maciej! You saved me a lot of half defunct bits ! ;)
Best regards,
mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit-Executables on a AMD64 system...
Maciej Grela maciej.gr...@gmail.com [10-11-09 18:40]:
2010/11/9 meino.cra...@gmx.de:
Hi,
it is possible to run a 32-bit binary executable on a 64-bit system
(AMD64).
But: Is it possible to compile source code on a 64-bit system and get
an 32-bit executable a the result ??? And if 'yes'...how???
gr...@kraken ~ $ cat test.c
void main() {}
gr...@kraken ~ $ gcc -o a.out.64 test.c
gr...@kraken ~ $ gcc -m32 -o a.out.32 test.c
gr...@kraken ~ $ file a.out.*
a.out.32: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
(GNU/Linux), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux
2.6.9, not stripped
a.out.64: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux),
dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not
stripped
gr...@kraken ~ $
Br,
Maciej Grela
Sorry a little offtopic, but: There is kinda nonsense-humor of
gcc in you lines. To call a program, which only consists of void main() {},
to be non stripped is - at least - british understatement (no
punt intended!) :) ;) X-}
Best regards,
mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit-Executables on a AMD64 system...
Crosstools On Nov 9, 2010 12:39 PM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com [10-11-09 18:36]: On 9. 11. 2010 18:25, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: But: Is it possible to compile source code on a 64-bit system and get an 32-bit executable a the result ??? And if 'yes'...how??? I think that is what cross-compilation is good for... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted. Is there a toolchain already setup for cross-compiling 32-bit executables on a AMD64 system, or do I have to do all that cross- compiling magic by myself ? Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
Selon Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: Apparently, though unproven, at 10:21 on Tuesday 09 November 2010, alain.didierj...@free.fr did opine thusly: As the subject says, here's what I get: What's the output just before the section you posted? Here you are : make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/coreconf/nsinstall » make -j3 -j1 CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc cd include; make export make[1]: entrant dans le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/dbm/include » Creating ../../dist/public/dbm /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x3972)[0x2b497350a972] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x3a03)[0x2b497350aa03] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0xbdfc)[0x2b4973512dfc] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x413c)[0x2b497350b13c] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x749c)[0x2b497350e49c] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(mkdir+0x37)[0x2b4973511807] ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall(+0x191c)[0x2b49730e391c] ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall(+0x19e0)[0x2b49730e39e0] /proc/13606/cmdline: ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall -D ../../dist public dbm /bin/sh: line 3: 10089 Abandon ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_ 64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall -D ../../dist/public/dbm make[1]: *** [../../dist/public/dbm] Erreur 134 make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/dbm/i nclude » make: *** [export] Erreur 2 * ERROR: dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 failed: * dbm make failed * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 54: Called src_compile * environment, line 2703: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * emake -j1 CC=$(tc-getCC) || die dbm make failed; * * If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8', * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8'. * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/environment'. * S: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8' Failed to emerge dev-libs/nss-3.12.8, Log file: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log' * Messages for package dev-libs/nss-3.12.8: * ERROR: dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 failed: * dbm make failed * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 54: Called src_compile * environment, line 2703: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * emake -j1 CC=$(tc-getCC) || die dbm make failed; * * If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8', * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8'. * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/environment'. * S: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8' isba alain # emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 [ebuild U ] dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 [3.12.7] USE=utils isba alain # emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 Portage 2.1.8.3 (hardened/linux/amd64/10.0, gcc-4.4.4, glibc-2.11.2-r3, 2.6.34-gentoo-r12 x86_64) Any cue ? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
Theoretically, a modularized software project will be more easily assembled by large teams, since no team members are creating the whole system, or even need to know about the system as a whole. They can focus just on the assigned smaller task. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_programming I don't mind system administration but I don't want to be a programmer any more. I'd like to hire programmers to work in the manner described above. They would each work on modules and not know about the system as a whole. How can something like this be implemented? Okay, so this has nothing to do with obfuscation, not trusting people, or protecting IP. This is normal software development. One would want to break a large application into manageable pieces. Usually, those pieces would be libraries (where the meaning of library depends on your programming language of choice: SOs, DLLs, JARs, etcetera). If your application is monolithic right now then you (and/or your developers) will have to spend some time modularizing it. So is your question really how do I modularize my code? I'm most interested in the part about developers not knowing about the system as a whole. I'd like developers to work on my code, but prevent them from selling the code or using it themselves. I thought a good way to accomplish this might be to modularize heavily and change variable names. It sounds like I'm really going against the grain here. Is it standard practice to hire a developer on the internet from any given country, never meet him or her, have them fax a signed NDA, and turn over your biggest asset to them? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: Read the OP again. He wants to obsfuscate the code to make it unreadable for the people he's hiring to work on it. It would be simpler and cheaper to hire developers who don't understand programming language in question, computers, programming in general, or even english. Then don't let them access any computers that have the source code. You'll get better results that way -- far fewer bugs will be introduced. The idea isn't to make the code unreadable. Obviously anyone working on it needs to be able to read and understand it. This idea was brought on while reading a Wikipedia page about modular programming: Theoretically, a modularized software project will be more easily assembled by large teams, since no team members are creating the whole system, or even need to know about the system as a whole. They can focus just on the assigned smaller task. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_programming I don't mind system administration but I don't want to be a programmer any more. I'd like to hire programmers to work in the manner described above. They would each work on modules and not know about the system as a whole. How can something like this be implemented? - Grant Get ready to pay a lot more for the documentation and testing portions of your costs. If you write a clear spec for the modular block that the programmer is developing or maintaining then they can follow that during implementation. However, how do they test their code if they don't understand the environment that it's being used in? 1) Write test programs that call the block they developed or maintained. Ensure those test programs exercise _ALL_ the functions of the block in all possible permutations with all possible initial states that the module will see during it's life in the larger product. That's a very difficult problem to _prove_ you've done. I have worked on chip designs with hundreds of millions of transistors. In a sense every transistor is a line of code somewhere and it's simply very difficult to prove you've ever tested everything. I promise you that the processor in your computer has bugs in the hardware. They are there. Once in awhile you'll hit on and your PC will crash. No processor is 'perfect'. 2) Pay the developer to 'Instrument' your module so that every time it's called it saves some info that can be used to backtrace what has been happening. When a problem arises have a way to read and understand the implementation. This can slow down the performance of the system terribly. Keeping the software developers completely in the mushroom barn is (possibly) a pretty expensive thing to try and do. Hope this helps, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
Only expose the teams to what they need, give them prototypes and discriptions to the other parts. Like a man page. On Nov 9, 2010 12:16 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: Read the OP again. He wants to obsfuscate the code to make it unreadable for the people he's hiring to work on it. It would be simpler and cheaper to hire developers who don't understand programming language in question, computers, programming in general, or even english. Then don't let them access any computers that have the source code. You'll get better results that way -- far fewer bugs will be introduced. The idea isn't to make the code unreadable. Obviously anyone working on it needs to be able to read and understand it. This idea was brought on while reading a Wikipedia page about modular programming: Theoretically, a modularized software project will be more easily assembled by large teams, since no team members are creating the whole system, or even need to know about the system as a whole. They can focus just on the assigned smaller task. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_programming I don't mind system administration but I don't want to be a programmer any more. I'd like to hire programmers to work in the manner described above. They would each work on modules and not know about the system as a whole. How can something like this be implemented? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
On 9 November 2010 10:08, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: It sounds like I'm really going against the grain here. Is it standard practice to hire a developer on the internet from any given country, never meet him or her, have them fax a signed NDA, and turn over your biggest asset to them? :-) No way. :-) That is a recipe for disaster. Firstly, in general, when it comes to code: you get what you pay for. And bad code will cost you much more in the long run than simply paying more for good code. Now that doesn't mean that by definition all cheap(er) developers are bad (or that all expensive ones are good) but the odds are not in your favour. So if you still want to pay less then go with a reputable company that provides that service. (I don't mean IBM, I mean some company in India or Russia.) You'll not only get your developers but you'll also be guaranteed that they'll be automatically replaced should they leave the company. You still have to insist on talking to the developers. Make sure they can code and know what they're talking about. I think you'll find that it takes a *lot* of time and effort (and a teaspoon of luck) to create a good team. And handling a distributed team in different timezones is hard work too. You'll need a lot more documentation which then will still be interpreted incorrectly. Yes, I'm talking for experience. :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote: Selon Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com: Apparently, though unproven, at 10:21 on Tuesday 09 November 2010, alain.didierj...@free.fr did opine thusly: As the subject says, here's what I get: What's the output just before the section you posted? Here you are : make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/coreconf/nsinstall » make -j3 -j1 CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc cd include; make export make[1]: entrant dans le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/dbm/include » Creating ../../dist/public/dbm /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x3972)[0x2b497350a972] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x3a03)[0x2b497350aa03] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0xbdfc)[0x2b4973512dfc] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x413c)[0x2b497350b13c] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x749c)[0x2b497350e49c] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(mkdir+0x37)[0x2b4973511807] ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall(+0x191c)[0x2b49730e391c] ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall(+0x19e0)[0x2b49730e39e0] /proc/13606/cmdline: ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall -D ../../dist public dbm I would try it with sandbox disabled. FEATURES=-*sandbox* your emerge command here It may work. Certainly worth a shot I guess. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with upgrading portage
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:10 on Tuesday 09 November 2010, Benyamin Dvoskin did opine thusly: whats the i468 for ? For any cpu that's less capable than a genuine 686 In other words, it's for ancient machines. It's not supposed to be used lots. On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org wrote: Benyamin Dvoskin writes: In the proccess of trying to understand my possible mistake I'm wondering , which stage3 file should I use ? the i686 or the i486 ? I'm trying to install it on an Asus EEEPC 1005ha netbook i686 if you want a 32 bit OS, x86_64 for 64 bit. which stage should I use ? ( and I suppose i'll have to use the same with the CFLAGS .. ? ) Have a look here: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags http://en.gentoo- wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags/Intel#Atom_230.2C_Atom_330.2C_Atom_N-Series Or use -march=native, if you compile locally. Wonko -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
The language of this list is English. You might be lucky and find someone who understands French and knows the answer to your problem, but the odds are not good. I don't speak French at all, I can't even make jokes about le BigMac and get it right, so I can't help you much :-) I suggest you find and post to a French speaking list, or translate the French error messages to English. Apparently, though unproven, at 19:56 on Tuesday 09 November 2010, alain.didierj...@free.fr did opine thusly: Selon Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: Apparently, though unproven, at 10:21 on Tuesday 09 November 2010, alain.didierj...@free.fr did opine thusly: As the subject says, here's what I get: What's the output just before the section you posted? Here you are : make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/corec onf/nsinstall » make -j3 -j1 CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc cd include; make export make[1]: entrant dans le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/dbm/i nclude » Creating ../../dist/public/dbm /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x3972)[0x2b497350a972] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x3a03)[0x2b497350aa03] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0xbdfc)[0x2b4973512dfc] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x413c)[0x2b497350b13c] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x749c)[0x2b497350e49c] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(mkdir+0x37)[0x2b4973511807] ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_ 64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall(+0x191c)[0x2b49730e391c] ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH _64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall(+0x19e0)[0x2b49730e39e0] /proc/13606/cmdline: ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_ 64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall -D ../../dist public dbm /bin/sh: line 3: 10089 Abandon ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_ PTH_ 64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall -D ../../dist/public/dbm make[1]: *** [../../dist/public/dbm] Erreur 134 make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/d bm/i nclude » make: *** [export] Erreur 2 * ERROR: dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 failed: * dbm make failed * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 54: Called src_compile * environment, line 2703: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * emake -j1 CC=$(tc-getCC) || die dbm make failed; * * If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8', * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8'. * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/environment'. * S: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8' Failed to emerge dev-libs/nss-3.12.8, Log file: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log' * Messages for package dev-libs/nss-3.12.8: * ERROR: dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 failed: * dbm make failed * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 54: Called src_compile * environment, line 2703: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * emake -j1 CC=$(tc-getCC) || die dbm make failed; * * If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8', * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8'. * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/environment'. * S: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8' isba alain # emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 [ebuild U ] dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 [3.12.7] USE=utils isba alain # emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 Portage 2.1.8.3 (hardened/linux/amd64/10.0, gcc-4.4.4, glibc-2.11.2-r3, 2.6.34-gentoo-r12 x86_64) Any cue ? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
Apparently, though unproven, at 20:08 on Tuesday 09 November 2010, Grant did opine thusly: It sounds like I'm really going against the grain here. Is it standard practice to hire a developer on the internet from any given country, never meet him or her, have them fax a signed NDA, and turn over your biggest asset to them? You are posting to a list dedicated to a Free and Open Source distro. Folks here won't even bother with an NDA, they'll mostly just give away the entire code base for free. Come on Grant, you know the ropes. What kind of response did you expect? I'll repeat my earlier question, which you didn't answer as yet. You want to keep your code away from your own staff. Obviously, you do not trust your staff completely (for whatever reason). Why did you hire them if you can't trust them? You are also abusing code modularity for a purpose it was not intended. It improves code quality and reduces cohesion. It does not increase obfuscation. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
Am 09.11.2010 19:08, schrieb Grant: Theoretically, a modularized software project will be more easily assembled by large teams, since no team members are creating the whole system, or even need to know about the system as a whole. They can focus just on the assigned smaller task. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_programming I don't mind system administration but I don't want to be a programmer any more. I'd like to hire programmers to work in the manner described above. They would each work on modules and not know about the system as a whole. How can something like this be implemented? Okay, so this has nothing to do with obfuscation, not trusting people, or protecting IP. This is normal software development. One would want to break a large application into manageable pieces. Usually, those pieces would be libraries (where the meaning of library depends on your programming language of choice: SOs, DLLs, JARs, etcetera). If your application is monolithic right now then you (and/or your developers) will have to spend some time modularizing it. So is your question really how do I modularize my code? I'm most interested in the part about developers not knowing about the system as a whole. I'd like developers to work on my code, but prevent them from selling the code or using it themselves. I thought a good way to accomplish this might be to modularize heavily and change variable names. Well, there are two ways to go here: 1. Modularize what you have. Give every developer only the source he is supposed to work on and binary interfaces (libs + header files for C/C++) and documentation for everything else. Then the devs will be able to run the software but no one will have all the source code. 2. Do not give working code to anyone. Define specs, test cases, prototypes and mock-ups. Then tell your devs to develop against these. When they have finished their modules (classes, units, whatever), it is your job to integrate these modules and see whether they work together as expected. If they don't, improve your specs and tests and give the code back to the devs for another iteration. I favor the second approach, especially as there are tools available to help you and it is safer against reverse-engineering. I repeat myself but: It would help a lot to know more about the project. What programming language? What basic structure? Object-oriented, procedural, distributed (sockets, web services, RPC, ...)? Hope this helps, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
Googling your error messages give Bug #339157 and some forums threads, one of which is in french. The bug still open but there is a patch claimed to be working. Give it a shot after trying Dale's sandbox trick. bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339157 -- Fatih On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 19:56, alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote: Selon Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: Apparently, though unproven, at 10:21 on Tuesday 09 November 2010, alain.didierj...@free.fr did opine thusly: As the subject says, here's what I get: What's the output just before the section you posted? Here you are : make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/coreconf/nsinstall » make -j3 -j1 CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc cd include; make export make[1]: entrant dans le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/dbm/include » Creating ../../dist/public/dbm /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x3972)[0x2b497350a972] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x3a03)[0x2b497350aa03] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0xbdfc)[0x2b4973512dfc] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x413c)[0x2b497350b13c] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x749c)[0x2b497350e49c] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(mkdir+0x37)[0x2b4973511807] ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall(+0x191c)[0x2b49730e391c] ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall(+0x19e0)[0x2b49730e39e0] /proc/13606/cmdline: ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall -D ../../dist public dbm /bin/sh: line 3: 10089 Abandon ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_ 64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall -D ../../dist/public/dbm make[1]: *** [../../dist/public/dbm] Erreur 134 make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/dbm/i nclude » make: *** [export] Erreur 2 * ERROR: dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 failed: * dbm make failed * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 54: Called src_compile * environment, line 2703: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * emake -j1 CC=$(tc-getCC) || die dbm make failed; * * If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8', * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8'. * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/environment'. * S: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8' Failed to emerge dev-libs/nss-3.12.8, Log file: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log' * Messages for package dev-libs/nss-3.12.8: * ERROR: dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 failed: * dbm make failed * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 54: Called src_compile * environment, line 2703: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * emake -j1 CC=$(tc-getCC) || die dbm make failed; * * If you need support, post the output of 'emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8', * the complete build log and the output of 'emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8'. * The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/build.log'. * The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/temp/environment'. * S: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8' isba alain # emerge -pqv =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 [ebuild U ] dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 [3.12.7] USE=utils isba alain # emerge --info =dev-libs/nss-3.12.8 Portage 2.1.8.3 (hardened/linux/amd64/10.0, gcc-4.4.4, glibc-2.11.2-r3, 2.6.34-gentoo-r12 x86_64) Any cue ? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 22:05, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The language of this list is English. You might be lucky and find someone who understands French and knows the answer to your problem, but the odds are not good. I don't speak French at all, I can't even make jokes about le BigMac and get it right, so I can't help you much :-) I suggest you find and post to a French speaking list, or translate the French error messages to English. Come on, there was nothing French there except 'Leaving directory' message preceded by its mnemonic 'make[1]':) -- Fatih
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
2010/11/9 Fatih Tümen fthtmn+gen...@gmail.com On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 22:05, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The language of this list is English. You might be lucky and find someone who understands French and knows the answer to your problem, but the odds are not good. I don't speak French at all, I can't even make jokes about le BigMac and get it right, so I can't help you much :-) I suggest you find and post to a French speaking list, or translate the French error messages to English. Come on, there was nothing French there except 'Leaving directory' message preceded by its mnemonic 'make[1]':) ..and 'entering directory' ofcourse -- Fatih
Re: [gentoo-user] swap usage creeping up
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 08:45, Iain Buchanan iai...@netspace.net.au wrote: OK so vm.swappiness seemed to help a bit but today I notice that swap usage is up again. It's firefox: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 14072 iain 20 0 1369m 897m 15m S 3 29.5 113:14.91 firefox I think that's 1.3Gb + 900Mb... sounds like a memory leak to me. Anyone else run firefox for 113+ hours? I'm using 3.6.9-r1. 1.3G is the grant total of Res and Swap. You need to read man top before judging not-entirely-accurate values reported by top. 900M is resident on your main memory. '113+ hours' is not a decent information to draw conclusion from. Running firefox for 113+ hours with a single tab on a text-only website is not same as running dozens of tabs with dozens of multimedia/embedded objects. You say swap usage was up again but dont give data about it. 472M is what top would report in the above case but it is an unrealictic values as it is uncompressed size. output of cat /proc/swaps or free is what one needs to see. Also make sure that you put the swapiness value which you say worked for you in /etc/sysctl.conf. -- Fatih
Re: [gentoo-user] Perl update = emerge cannot create executables
After fixinf fs errors with fsck emerge stopped working so i fixed with http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/portage/doc/manually-fixing-portage.xml Then downloaded a stage3, chrooted, compiled gcc, created a binpkg and emerged it on the broken system with emerge -K Now i'm rebuilding the whole system. Thanks for all :) 2010/11/8 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: On Monday 08 November 2010 18:28:58 Pau Peris wrote: Please, is there any developer/geek who can help to solve the situation? Why do i get : [code]/usr/bin/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc: Exec format error [/code] I did nothing than updating the system, also /etc/make.conf (which i took a look before getting errors) seems ok. I can't say why you *suddenly* started getting problems, but it may indicate that there is some hardware problem which caused a fs corruption. So, check the obvious for errors like hard drive (smartmontools) and memory (memtest86+). If I were you I would follow the instructions in the previous link I sent you, and use that to rebuild portage and tool chain before you finish off rebuilding the packages that were giving you errors. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
On 11/9/10, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I've been working on a particular software project for a long time. I'd like to hire a team of developers to take over the project, but I consider the code to be valuable and I'd like to keep the whole of it secure, even from my own developers. I was thinking I could do this by using some technique to obfuscate the true intention of the code modules. Maybe a recorded series of search/replaces for variable names which are reversed once code editing is complete? Has any software been made available to aid in an endeavor like this? Can you reveal a bit about the nature of the valuable secret in the code? Is it some weights like with Coca-Cola's recipe and Google's PageRank? Some entire algorithm, like some proprietary stock trading scheme/plan implementation? Or something bigger? The entire thing? Just ickyness over the quality of it, and the glaring holes that'd be visible to outside devs? :) You might be able to re-factor the whole codebase to use something like Strategy Patterns from Gamma et al's book. Then you'd keep the Strategy implementation parts to your own code base and development, while the more generic engine part (which just calls the Strategy when needed) might be developed a bit more freely and openly. Still I doubt this is your case since you apparently already have some functional code, so there hopefully is some designed structure in it. -- Arttu V.
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 22:05:36 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I suggest you find and post to a French speaking list, or translate the French error messages to English. LANG=en emerge foo... should have GCC spit out English error messages. -- Neil Bothwick The best things in life are free, but the expensive ones are still worth a look. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Laptop battery not showing up in KDE, Smart Battery calibration
Hi, I have a laptop running Gentoo (with dual-boot to Windows XP). It was manufactured in 2004 and battery life have been consistent for all those years. However, it sat dormant for almost a year, after which I did a few days worth of updating to bring it up to current kernel and ~amd64 package levels. There are two issues that have arisen: 1) The smart battery is not so smart anymore. It only charges about halfway, then the charging light turns green and it stops. Effective battery capacity is about one-third of what it used to be. From what I understand, while Li-ion don't have memory like old Ni-Cd batteries, the smart circuitry cannot account for power drain that happens when the battery is not in use. Say the battery lost half of its power while it was in storage, so the chip thinks charge is at one level when it is really much lower. When recharging, it stops when it is full even though it's only halfway there. Has anyone successfully re-calibrated one of these batteries to recognize a larger capacity? My understanding is that, to do this, I should discharge at a constant rate until it is empty, then charge to full. Repeat ?? times. I've drained the poor little battery after regular usage (not a constant rate of discharge) a few times and haven't noticed any change so far. So I'm probably doing it wrong (or completely misunderstanding...) This is complicated by my second problem: 2) If I click on the Power Management in the KDE system settings, it says Number of CPUs 0 Number of batteries 0 and battery-related options are greyed out. Since battery monitoring does not work, I have no idea how much battery life is left and have no warning when it suddenly shuts down, causing filesystem corruption and who knows what other problems. Everything in /proc/acpi/battery/ seems normal and /proc/cpuinfo does as well: $ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/info present: yes design capacity: 4400 mAh last full capacity: 1984 mAh battery technology: rechargeable design voltage: 14800 mV design capacity warning: 300 mAh design capacity low: 100 mAh cycle count: 0 capacity granularity 1: 32 mAh capacity granularity 2: 32 mAh model number:01ZG serial number: 1020 battery type:LION OEM info:SMP $ cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state present: yes capacity state: ok charging state: charged present rate:0 mA remaining capacity: 1984 mAh present voltage: 16384 mV $ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 15 model : 28 model name : Mobile AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+ stepping: 0 cpu MHz : 2000.000 cache size : 512 KB fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good bogomips: 4009.21 TLB size: 1024 4K pages clflush size: 64 cache_alignment : 64 address sizes : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual power management: ts fid vid ttp That all seems to look normal to me, so I'm not sure if I'm missing some setting somewhere else. Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Laptop battery not showing up in KDE, Smart Battery calibration
2010/11/9 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com: Hi, I have a laptop running Gentoo (with dual-boot to Windows XP). It was manufactured in 2004 and battery life have been consistent for all those years. However, it sat dormant for almost a year, after which I did a few days worth of updating to bring it up to current kernel and ~amd64 package levels. There are two issues that have arisen: 1) The smart battery is not so smart anymore. It only charges about halfway, then the charging light turns green and it stops. Effective battery capacity is about one-third of what it used to be. From what I understand, while Li-ion don't have memory like old Ni-Cd batteries, the smart circuitry cannot account for power drain that happens when the battery is not in use. Say the battery lost half of its power while it was in storage, so the chip thinks charge is at one level when it is really much lower. When recharging, it stops when it is full even though it's only halfway there. The inbuilt battery circuit can account for the self-discharge, the charge on a lithium cell is proportional to it's voltage IIRC. The problem is, that li-ion cells don't like being totaly discharged (for example lying unused for a year). It's advised to charge them and only then put them into storage (and recharge every once in a while). So your battery may simply have 3 cells, 2 of which have been damaged by self-discharge, therefore you are seeing only 30 % of the previous capacity. Br, Maciej Grela
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:56 AM, alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote: Selon Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com: Apparently, though unproven, at 10:21 on Tuesday 09 November 2010, alain.didierj...@free.fr did opine thusly: As the subject says, here's what I get: What's the output just before the section you posted? Here you are : make[1]: quittant le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/coreconf/nsinstall » make -j3 -j1 CC=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc cd include; make export make[1]: entrant dans le répertoire « /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/nss-3.12.8/work/nss-3.12.8/mozilla/security/dbm/include » Creating ../../dist/public/dbm /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x3972)[0x2b497350a972] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x3a03)[0x2b497350aa03] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0xbdfc)[0x2b4973512dfc] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x413c)[0x2b497350b13c] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(+0x749c)[0x2b497350e49c] /usr/lib/libsandbox.so(mkdir+0x37)[0x2b4973511807] ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall(+0x191c)[0x2b49730e391c] ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall(+0x19e0)[0x2b49730e39e0] /proc/13606/cmdline: ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall -D ../../dist public dbm Looks similar to this: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-850517.html
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
On 9/11/2010, at 9:03pm, Fatih Tümen wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 22:05, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The language of this list is English. You might be lucky and find someonewhounderstands French and knows the answer to your problem, but the odds arenotgood. I don't speak French at all, I can't even make jokes about leBigMacand get it right, so I can't help you much :-) I suggest you find and post to a French speaking list, or translate theFrencherror messages to English. Come on, there was nothing French there except 'Leaving directory' message preceded by its mnemonic 'make[1]':) The point is that I don't know that the error message translates to 'Leaving directory'. And it's the only error message there is. Isn't it possible for non-English speakers to set something like LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 in /etc/env.d/02locale and then simply `export LANG=en_GB.UTF-8` before posting their errors? Additionally: Alain, if the only error message shown is 'Leaving directory', then you probably need to show us some more, earlier, output. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Suspect fs, or suspect disk, or something else?
On 9/11/2010, at 4:04pm, Alex Schuster wrote: ... I need to mention here that the machine is a laptop which I use regularly on train journeys (bumpy ride). The drive has a Seagate G-Force Protection™ which is meant to park the head in case of a fall. Which probably would not help in the train, unless you drop it there. Further to Alex's comment: the G-Force Protection™ probably parks the head in the event that the laptop goes weightless (a cheap sensor built into the drive would be quite adequate to detect that), but it probably takes half a second to do so. In the case of up and down jolts I'm not sure that it would detect those the same way - maybe it is indeed clever enough to do so, but would it have time to park the head? aB.
[gentoo-user] Maya 2011 anyone
Hey guys,
I've been trying to install Maya 2011 for some time now. I get the rpms
unpacked
(http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112id=15770983linkID=9242259)
with no major difficulties.
The dynamic linking needed is in place (ebuild I'm writing to make life easier
for other people is attatched) as far as I can tell.
The problem occurs when I attempt to run it. I get (What I've found to be error
20) an error with the licensing despite having a valid license.
Questions are:
Does anyone have maya 2011 running on their gentoo box, and possibly willing to
help?
If not then is anyone willing to help? This has me boggled, I've tried to the
best of my knowledge to make it run but can't seem to get past it.
I've primarily followed this (http://etoia.free.fr/?p=1611) article on how to
install.
The only deviation has been not copying to /usr, /var, there's nothing needing
/etc, and /opt.
I've the instruction of exporting the maya path has been followed although it's
been directed to where the maya install is, rather than to /usr/autodesk/maya...
Help would be much appreciated :)
--
Zeerak Waseem
# Copyright 1999-2005 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
# $Header: Maya-2011 for x86 and amd64$
# RPM versions within the tarballs which will get installed
# Matchmover is a camera tracking tool
# Adlmapps is needed to activate
# Adlclient and server are needed to activate
# There is no support for backburner at the current time
# Backburner can distribute cputime to another computer
# Backburner monitor can monitor same with webmonitor
# Toxik is a film compositing tool
# Maya is a 3d editing tool
# Mayadocs for documentation
inherit rpm eutils versionator
IUSE=bundled-libs backburner backburner-monitor backburner-webmonitor doc
matchmover toxik openmotif
S=${WORKDIR}
DESCRIPTION=Autodesk's Maya. Commercial modeling and animation package
HOMEPAGE=http://www.alias.com/eng/products-services/maya/index.shtml;
# Patches to download go into SRC_URI
SRC_URI=autodesk_maya_2011_sp1_linux_64bit.tgz
RESTRICT=fetch nouserpriv
SLOT=$(get_version_component_range 1-2)
LICENSE=maya-11.0 mayadoc-11.0
# Still having trouble getting the docs working right.
KEYWORDS=~amd64
DEPEND=app-arch/rpm2targz app-arch/tar
RDEPEND=|| ( app-shells/tcsh app-shells/csh )
x11-libs/libxcb app-admin/gamin dev-libs/libgamin
media-libs/libquicktime dev-lang/python media-libs/audiofile
sys-libs/e2fsprogs-libs media-libs/openal
media-libs/libpng:1.2
amd64? (
!bundled-libs? ( x11-libs/libXpm x11-libs/libXmu x11-libs/libXt
x11-libs/libXp x11-libs/libXi x11-libs/libXext
x11-libs/libX11
x11-libs/libXau x11-libs/libxcb )
bundled-libs? ( app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-xlibs )
bundled-libs? ( app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-baselibs )
bundled-libs? ( app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-qtlibs )
openmotif? ( x11-libs/openmotif ) )
MAYADIR=/opt/Autodesk
pkg_nofetch() {
einfo This ebuild expects your files to be placed in ${DISTDIR}:
# einfo
# einfo Downloads from Alias's support server:
# einfo
htp://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?linkID=9242259id=15113998siteID=123112
}
src_unpack() {
# Unpack downloaded tarall containing RPMss
unpack ${A}
# Begin the mass rpm conversion/unpacking
rpm2cpio adlmapps3-3.0.17-0.x86_64.rpm | cpio -idmvu
assert Failed to unpack adlmapps3-3.0.17-0.x86_64.rpm
rpm2cpio adlmflexnetclient-3.0.17-0.x86_64.rpm | cpio -idmvu
assert Failed to unpack adlmflexnetclient-3.0.17-0.x86_64.rpm
rpm2cpio adlmflexnetserver-3.0.17-0.x86_64.rpm | cpio -idmvu
assert Failed to adlmflexnetserver-3.0.17-0.x86_64.rpm
rpm2cpio Maya2011_0_64-2011.0-419.x86_64.rpm | cpio -idmvu
assert Failed to unpack Maya2011_0_64-2011.0-419.x86_64.rpm
if use doc; then
rpm2cpio Maya2011_0_64-docs_en_US_64-2011-88.x86_64.rpm | cpio
-idmvu
assert Failed to unpack
maya2011_0_64-docs_en_US_64-2011-88.x86_64.rpm
fi
# Due to backburner having to be in 32-bit and depending
# On packages such as glibc it is for now (with my current
# knowledge on ebuilds and such, not possible to support
# the install of backburner.
#
if use backburner ; then
rpm2cpio backburner.sw.base-2011-1470.i386.rpm | cpio -idmvu
assert Failed to unpack backburner.sw.base-2011-1470.i386.rpm
rpm2cpio autodesk.backburner.monitor-2011-377.i386.rpm | cpio
-idmvu
assert Failed to unpack
autodesk.backburner.monitor-2011-377.i386.rpm
fi
if use backburner-webmonitor ; then
rpm2cpio backburner_webmonitor.sw.base-2011-1470.i386.rpm
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't update dev-lib/nss
On 11/9/2010 6:45 PM, Stroller wrote: On 9/11/2010, at 9:03pm, Fatih Tümen wrote: On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 22:05, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The language of this list is English. You might be lucky and find someonewhounderstands French and knows the answer to your problem, but the odds arenotgood. I don't speak French at all, I can't even make jokes about leBigMacand get it right, so I can't help you much :-) I suggest you find and post to a French speaking list, or translate theFrencherror messages to English. Come on, there was nothing French there except 'Leaving directory' message preceded by its mnemonic 'make[1]':) The point is that I don't know that the error message translates to 'Leaving directory'. And it's the only error message there is. I'm pretty sure this is the actual error part (from his original post): /bin/sh: line 3: 10089 Abandon ../../coreconf/nsinstall/Linux2.6_x86_64_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc_glibc_PTH_ 64_OPT.OBJ/nsinstall -D ../../dist/public/dbm make[1]: *** [../../dist/public/dbm] Erreur 134 Even a lowly American such as myself can figure out Abandon means aborted and Erreur means error :) The problem is most likely a directory permissions problem. A quick google for nss Error 134 returns two promising results, both of them implicating sandbox as the problem: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300982 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292050
[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
On 2010-11-09, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: So is your question really how do I modularize my code? I'm most interested in the part about developers not knowing about the system as a whole. I'd like developers to work on my code, but prevent them from selling the code or using it themselves. Have programmers stolen a lot of code from you or somebody you know in the past? I thought a good way to accomplish this might be to modularize heavily and change variable names. I don't understand what changing the variable names accomplishes if the source code is still readable and understandable by those working on it. It sounds like I'm really going against the grain here. Is it standard practice to hire a developer on the internet from any given country, never meet him or her, have them fax a signed NDA, and turn over your biggest asset to them? You've got to do some due diligence. Mostly to find out if they're competent. Also I suppose to find out if they're honest. Personally, I think the former is the big problem. Maybe you should hire local developers whom you've interviewed and whose references you've checked? -- Grant
[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
On 2010-11-09, Florian Philipp li...@f_philipp.fastmail.net wrote: Well, there are two ways to go here: 1. Modularize what you have. Give every developer only the source he is supposed to work on and binary interfaces (libs + header files for C/C++) and documentation for everything else. Then the devs will be able to run the software but no one will have all the source code. 2. Do not give working code to anyone. Define specs, test cases, prototypes and mock-ups. Then tell your devs to develop against these. When they have finished their modules (classes, units, whatever), it is your job to integrate these modules and see whether they work together as expected. If they don't, improve your specs and tests and give the code back to the devs for another iteration. I favor the second approach, especially as there are tools available to help you and it is safer against reverse-engineering. Both of these approaches are going to involve a lot of overhead (the second more so that the first). I would _guess_ than approach 2 will add at least 50-100% overhead. IOW, there's a pretty good chance that writing the whole thing yourself would take less of your time than designing, specifying, coordinating, integrating, testing and managing approach 2. I've seen it happen more than once when somebody decided to outsource software development. The in-house hours spent specifying, testing, coordinating were more than it would have taken to just write the program in-house. I've seen than happen even when there were no language or timezone barriers. Throw in a 10-hour time difference and a language barrier, and it's a minor miracle if the project ever gets finished (even at twice the in-house cost of doing it). -- Grant (the other one)
[gentoo-user] Re: {OT} Deliberately obfuscating my code
On 2010-11-09, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I don't mind system administration but I don't want to be a programmer any more. ??I'd like to hire programmers to work in the manner described above. ??They would each work on modules and not know about the system as a whole. ??How can something like this be implemented? Get ready to pay a lot more for the documentation and testing portions of your costs. A lot more. If you write a clear spec Anybody who thinks they can write a clear spec is deluded. I've seen a _one_page_spec_ where the requirement was completely re-stated three different ways (with examples!) -- and the programmers in eastern Europe still mis-understood it. Even after several days of e-mails back and forth where the specification was re-explained in several more ways, they still didn't understand. After about a week of daily e-mails back and forth, the light finally came on. The implementation of that spec (adding a command to a protocol), took 15 lines on code on my end, and there's no way it could have taken any more than that on the other end -- except they completely misunderstood the requirement, and they simply couldn't understand how what we were telling them was different than what they did. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] 32bit-Executables on a AMD64 system...
meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, it is possible to run a 32-bit binary executable on a 64-bit system (AMD64). But: Is it possible to compile source code on a 64-bit system and get an 32-bit executable a the result ??? And if 'yes'...how??? Thank you very much for any help in advance! Best regards, mcc Hello Meino, My setup is one 32bit pc with gentoo and another 64bit pc with gentoo I managed to get this going on the 64bit with a 32-bit chroot, distcc, and crosstools Just make sure you compiled your kernel with IA32 binary support (should be default) Here are some links: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1chap=2 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/index.xml?part=1chap=2 Regards, Coert Waagmeester
