Re: [gentoo-user] OpenRC: Need to start net.eth1 and ntp-client by hand
on 05/12/2011 06:13 AM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote the following: Hi, after upgradeing to openrc there still some issues... 1) After reboot eth1 (there was/is no eth0!) is up and running (according to ifconfig) but ping site returns unknown host. After calling /etc/init.d/net.eth1 (which is a symlink to /etc/net.lo) as root by hand again the ping comand works How can I make this working at boot time? rc-update add net.eth0 default 2) /etc/ntp-client gets not called at boot time. Calling it by hand as root afterwards reveals no errors and all works find. How can I make this working at boot time,too? add to runlevel as above... rc-update add servicename runlevel
[gentoo-user] Re: Update nvidia-drivers
meino.cra...@gmx.de: this morning there was an update to nvidia-drivers-270.41.06. I am back to 270.41.03 because dosemu caused a high load and games with it acted poorly. Haven't investigated further. Hartmut -- Usenet-ABC-Wiki http://www.usenet-abc.de/wiki/ Von Usern fuer User :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Update nvidia-drivers
Hartmut Figge: I am back to 270.41.03 because dosemu caused a high load... dosbox, not dosemu. ;) Hartmut -- Usenet-ABC-Wiki http://www.usenet-abc.de/wiki/ Von Usern fuer User :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Wednesday 11 May 2011 07:27:32 Dale wrote: Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Dale. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 04:55:01PM -0500, Dale wrote: Hi folks, I was curious, what's the results of the openrc update for people that have done theirs? Is it pretty simple and just works or are there issues? I'm mostly interested in x86 and amd64 since that is what I have. Just a simple works here and I'm X86 or amd64 would be nice. List issues if you had any. For me, it just worked. But it took me well over two hours, and that was after spending several hours studying the FM (practically memorising it, actually). Things which threaten to make my PC unbootable have that effect on me. I was surprised by the number of config files which had changed (though I was surprised not to see inittab amongst them). I had a few problems with consolefont and keymaps, but that probably had to do with my converting from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 the day before. I take my hat off to Christian Faulhammer and William Hubbs, true gentlemen, who took so much trouble to make a difficult transition so smooth and easy. Thanks for the feedback. Dale :-) :-) After reading some replies here, I did mine. It went well. I agree, hats off to the folks who worked on this. Seems like their work paid off very well. I just hope everyone else's is as easy as mine. There was a LOT of config files to update. It appears that a LOT of it was done during the update tho. I'm just glad this is done. Sort of been dreading this. Dale :-) :-) I actually did mine before noticing this thread and didn't actually pay much attention to it all. Not had any issues and didn't need to spend much time in fixing anything. The only problem I had was that /etc/init.d/eth0 had dissapeared. That was easily fixed. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] OpenRC: Need to start net.eth1 and ntp-client by hand
2011/5/12 Thanasis thana...@asyr.hopto.org: on 05/12/2011 06:13 AM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote the following: Hi, after upgradeing to openrc there still some issues... 1) After reboot eth1 (there was/is no eth0!) is up and running (according to ifconfig) but ping site returns unknown host. After calling /etc/init.d/net.eth1 (which is a symlink to /etc/net.lo) as root by hand again the ping comand works How can I make this working at boot time? rc-update add net.eth0 default This will only work if the OP first reads the migration web page[1] that the devs have kindly provided and included in the elog of KDE 4.6, which explicitly states that the net.eth0 - net.lo symlink may need to be recreated. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde44-46-upgrade.xml -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] OpenRC: Need to start net.eth1 and ntp-client by hand
On 12 May 2011 09:27, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/5/12 Thanasis thana...@asyr.hopto.org: on 05/12/2011 06:13 AM meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote the following: Hi, after upgradeing to openrc there still some issues... 1) After reboot eth1 (there was/is no eth0!) is up and running (according to ifconfig) but ping site returns unknown host. After calling /etc/init.d/net.eth1 (which is a symlink to /etc/net.lo) as root by hand again the ping comand works How can I make this working at boot time? rc-update add net.eth0 default This will only work if the OP first reads the migration web page[1] that the devs have kindly provided and included in the elog of KDE 4.6, which explicitly states that the net.eth0 - net.lo symlink may need to be recreated. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde44-46-upgrade.xml Oops! My bad, I'm getting confused with all these upgrades! :)) The guide to read is of course the OpenRC migration: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On 11 May 2011 15:43, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 15:45 on Wednesday 11 May 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/11/2011 02:50 AM, Dale wrote: [...] What do you know, I upgraded and it worked. Now if I can just get rid of this Nepomuk thingy that pops up a bit after I login to KDE. You disable that in System Settings. There's an icon for it there. Or, you build KDE with -semantic-desktop in your make.conf, which builds KDE without it. This is odd. I thought I turned that off before but figured maybe a config update turned it back on. I just checked, it is turned off. That thing just won't die. lol I do have the USE flag enabled. I read somewhere that turning the flag off gets rid of a lot of stuff, some that I use on occasion. Has that changed? We all know the USE flag descriptions don't always shed much light on the real use of it. ;-) Maybe it will give up one day and just go away. You can't disable USE=semantic-desktop Parts of KDE don't (or soon won't) build at all without the configure options it provides. In other words, it's a gentoo thing and completely unsupported by KDE. Get used to having it enabled. Tis true, if you try to build kdepim-meta it'll go into a fit, because some package therein won't build without semantic-desktop. I had to put mine back. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] OpenRC: Need to start net.eth1 and ntp-client by hand
Mick wrote: On 12 May 2011 09:27, Mickmichaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: This will only work if the OP first reads the migration web page[1] that the devs have kindly provided and included in the elog of KDE 4.6, which explicitly states that the net.eth0 - net.lo symlink may need to be recreated. [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde44-46-upgrade.xml Oops! My bad, I'm getting confused with all these upgrades! :)) The guide to read is of course the OpenRC migration: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/openrc-migration.xml Yep. I had to recreate my link to eth0 as well. Glad I noticed that before I rebooted. Then again, I did cheat a little. I copied the upgrade guide as plain text and put it in my root directory. If something did go oopsy, I could open the file with nano and see where I went wrong. Neat huh? OP. You really need to go through that guide step by step. Things should work fine if you do. At least all the big stuff anyway. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean after kde-4.6 upgrade
On 12 May 2011 06:31, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 11 May 2011 23:26:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 05/12/2011 12:28 AM, Mick wrote: Having completed the upgrade I noticed that a few packages are being called up for removal: sys-apps/dmidecode selected: 2.10 protected: none omitted: none I can't think of it being a dependency - did I emerge it and forgot about it? Do you care? Does it matter? :-) It probably doesn't matter, but I don't know if it does and was curious. Found what caused this. My removing of hal which was pulling this in. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] Update nvidia-drivers
meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, this morning there was an update to nvidia-drivers-270.41.06. After running dmesg I found this: ioremap error for 0x9a000-0x9b000, requested 0x10, got 0x0 ioremap error for 0xcfe9-0xcfe91000, requested 0x10, got 0x0 I dont know, whether this is related to that update... In the context of the output of dmesg it looks like: nvidia :08:00.0: PCI INT A - GSI 24 (level, low) - IRQ 24 nvidia :08:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 vgaarb: device changed decodes: PCI::08:00.0,olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=none:owns=io+mem NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 270.41.06 Mon Apr 18 14:53:56 PDT 2011 microcode: CPU0: patch_level=0x1bf microcode: CPU1: patch_level=0x1bf microcode: CPU2: patch_level=0x1bf microcode: CPU3: patch_level=0x1bf microcode: CPU4: patch_level=0x1bf microcode: CPU5: patch_level=0x1bf microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.00tig...@aivazian.fsnet.co.uk, Peter Oruba EXT4-fs (sda11): re-mounted. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda5): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda6): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda7): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda8): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda9): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda10): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda3): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda12): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) sky2 :05:00.0: eth1: enabling interface sky2 :05:00.0: eth1: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex, flow control both sky2 :05:00.0: eth1: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex, flow control both Adding 6291452k swap on /dev/sda2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:6291452k ioremap error for 0x9a000-0x9b000, requested 0x10, got 0x0 ioremap error for 0xcfe9-0xcfe91000, requested 0x10, got 0x0 Is this something to care of? And if yes -- what do I have to fix where ? Thank you very much for any help! :) Best regards mcc I get one of those in mine too. root@fireball / # dmesg | grep ioremap [ 31.812410] ioremap error for 0xbfcf3000-0xbfcf4000, requested 0x10, got 0x0 root@fireball / # I'm using nvidia-drivers-260.19.44 so at least one of those applies to a different series. You are not completely alone here. Let's hope it is not a serious problem or even a problem at all. The rest of dmesg looks normal to me. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?
个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～ 2011/5/12 刘勇泰 lyt...@gmail.com: Hello everyone. I am going to build a new gentoo box. Will the next auto-build stage tar ball (2011-5-12) for amd64 include the OpenRC update? If so I will not suffer the baselayout updating.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Mike Edenfield wrote: On 5/11/2011 6:51 PM, Dale wrote: Does this look more better? root@fireball / # locale LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF8 LC_NAME=en_US.UTF8 LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF8 LC_PAPER, is that like paper in my printer? What the heck does it want my phone number, address and other stuff for? Some of that I get but some is just plain nosy. O_O These are all proposed, but ultimately rejected, POSIX extensions to hold other standard, region-specific settings. glibc grabbed onto them when the latest POSIX was still in draft status and implemented them. LC_PAPER is one of a few places that holds the default paper sizes (I think Debian has an /etc/papersize or some such). It's kinda silly, since en_US isn't a paper size, but roughly speaking, en_US = 8.5x11 letter and everything else = A4. The others are for tracking: proper name format (e.g. family name first or last); postal address format; telephone number format (local, international, etc); units of measurement (imperial vs. metric); and the standards that govern the rest of the formats. Support for them is pretty sketchy and you can probably safely ignore them :) --Mike I wouldn't mind setting them myself. It may not matter much right now but we all know how things change. Going to see what Google can find. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:56:05PM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote Possibly one more problem, rdate seems to have stopped working for me. I've opened a separate thread on that. Not really. It seems that rdate is being dprecated in favour of NTP. I found an rdate server, but will eventually switch to ntpd I suppose. If ntp gives you grief, try chrony. I use ntp on one machine where ntp works well and chrony on my main rig since ntp sucks on it. Weird but it works. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
James Wall wrote: On May 11, 2011 4:38 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com mailto:w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/11/2011 03:10 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 04:55:46 -0500, Dale wrote: I'll leave it like it is I guess. I like all the little green OK's that scroll up anyway. Reassuring, aren't they? I'd like a similar system for checking my marriage. +1 for the marriage checker. That would save me some headaches big time. James Wall I wish I had one before I got married. I'm just not into druggies. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Joost Roeleveld wrote: I actually did mine before noticing this thread and didn't actually pay much attention to it all. Not had any issues and didn't need to spend much time in fixing anything. The only problem I had was that /etc/init.d/eth0 had dissapeared. That was easily fixed. -- Joost Same here. I had to recreate my link as well. Glad it was in the guide tho. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Apparently, though unproven, at 02:40 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Walter Dnes did opine thusly: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 05:45:07PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the curve. Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it. IBM walked away from their market leading AT. Rather than put a 386 cpu on the motherboard, they went with the PS/2 design, which bombed. Micropro *OWNED* word-processing with a DOS-port of their cpm-based Wordstar product. People were begging and pleading with them to patch it to recognize subdirectories. Instead, Micropro dropped Wordstar, and came up with a user friendly menu-driven abortion called Wordstar 2000. That was the end. Do you see a pattern here? Yes. It's the pattern where you selectively cherry pick stuff that supports your point. Do you *really* want to go down this road? Because that argument can't end well for you. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Prevent depclean from removing Python-2.6?
Apparently, though unproven, at 04:13 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Kevin O'Gorman did opine thusly: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently so. It seems like it ought to pay attention to eselect. If I've explicitly configured my system to use 2.6 instead of 2.7, removing 2.6 doesn't seem like a good thing... Sounds to me like that should be made into a feature request. What does the list think? If there's support I will log it. +1 It bit me, and just seems stupid. +1 I like Neil's suggestion - eselect can put packages it knows about into a specially-named set. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the curve. Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it. IBM walked away from their market leading AT. Rather than put a 386 cpu on the motherboard, they went with the PS/2 design, which bombed. Micropro *OWNED* word-processing with a DOS-port of their cpm-based Wordstar product. People were begging and pleading with them to patch it to recognize subdirectories. Instead, Micropro dropped Wordstar, and came up with a user friendly menu-driven abortion called Wordstar 2000. That was the end. Do you see a pattern here? The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and implying they are the norm. Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from floppy disks to hard disks, or CDs to DVDs? Companies try to predict where the market should go so they can lead. No one gets it right all the time, the ones that survive are those that get it right often enough. The ones that are most likely to fail are those that never try to innovate in case someone doesn't like it. The important point is that KDE wanted something better, it's unfortunate that it took so much longer than planned, but it would have taken even longer if they had not tried. -- Neil Bothwick Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On 5/12/2011 5:21 AM, Dale wrote: Mike Edenfield wrote: On 5/11/2011 6:51 PM, Dale wrote: Does this look more better? root@fireball / # locale LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF8 LC_NAME=en_US.UTF8 LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF8 The others are for tracking: proper name format (e.g. family name first or last); postal address format; telephone number format (local, international, etc); units of measurement (imperial vs. metric); and the standards that govern the rest of the formats. Support for them is pretty sketchy and you can probably safely ignore them :) I wouldn't mind setting them myself. It may not matter much right now but we all know how things change. Going to see what Google can find. They're already set, as your locale output showed :) The definitions of those various formats are built into the locale definitions, so they should have the same value as all your other LC_* variables. You can see your locale's idea of what those things mean in the localedef file (bring alone a Unicode character chart): /usr/share/i18n/locale/en_US --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?
On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote: 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～ huh? 2011/5/12 刘勇泰 lyt...@gmail.com: Hello everyone. I am going to build a new gentoo box. Will the next auto-build stage tar ball (2011-5-12) for amd64 include the OpenRC update? If so I will not suffer the baselayout updating.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:00:01PM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 20:40:02 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: KDE devs decided to take the risk and make the jump ahead of the curve. Coca Cola went from Coke Classic to New Coke; at least they had the guts to admit that it was a bad idea, and reverse it. 88some snippage88 The important point is that KDE wanted something better, it's unfortunate that it took so much longer than planned, but it would have taken even longer if they had not tried. Just to clarify: I applaud the attempt, even if I find the current results questionable. The thing about KDE is it used to be instrumental for me in converting non-geek windows users to Linux. It was excellent for that. The new one really requires users who not only know what they're doing, but also have the inclination to fiddle and and tune all the time. Hopefully, this phase of it's development will soon draw to a conclusion and we'll once more be able to put non-tech users on kde without drama. But I apologise for opening that can of worms in the first place, it was probably not apropriate here. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thursday 12 May 2011 04:25:58 Dale wrote: Joost Roeleveld wrote: I actually did mine before noticing this thread and didn't actually pay much attention to it all. Not had any issues and didn't need to spend much time in fixing anything. The only problem I had was that /etc/init.d/eth0 had dissapeared. That was easily fixed. -- Joost Same here. I had to recreate my link as well. Glad it was in the guide tho. Yep, as I noticed after reading the guide, which was after I did the update without actually checking first :) -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:40:02PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote: 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～ huh? It surely does look cool though, wish I could read and write in such a picturesque manner. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Neil Bothwick wrote: The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and implying they are the norm. Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from floppy disks to hard disks, or CDs to DVDs? Companies try to predict where the market should go so they can lead. No one gets it right all the time, the ones that survive are those that get it right often enough. The ones that are most likely to fail are those that never try to innovate in case someone doesn't like it. The important point is that KDE wanted something better, it's unfortunate that it took so much longer than planned, but it would have taken even longer if they had not tried. I just hope they also learned from their mistakes. Dropping KDE3 support long before KDE4 was ready was a big one. That shouldn't be repeated. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Mike Edenfield wrote: They're already set, as your locale output showed :) The definitions of those various formats are built into the locale definitions, so they should have the same value as all your other LC_* variables. You can see your locale's idea of what those things mean in the localedef file (bring alone a Unicode character chart): /usr/share/i18n/locale/en_US --Mike A, I see. It sort of does like portage's profile. It points to a file where everything is config'd at. Kewl !! Now I wonder why PAPER is config'd as mm instead of inches. lol Thanks. Looks like I got everything set correctly, until it changes again. lol Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 04:25:58 Dale wrote: Joost Roeleveld wrote: I actually did mine before noticing this thread and didn't actually pay much attention to it all. Not had any issues and didn't need to spend much time in fixing anything. The only problem I had was that /etc/init.d/eth0 had dissapeared. That was easily fixed. -- Joost Same here. I had to recreate my link as well. Glad it was in the guide tho. Yep, as I noticed after reading the guide, which was after I did the update without actually checking first :) -- Joost Hindsight. 20/20 as always. LOL I just wish my eyes was. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?
Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote: 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～ huh? Remember the old saying, 'you can say that again'? Let's not. I didn't understand it the first time and won't the next time either. lol I got a friend that lived in China for a long time, maybe he can read it. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Apparently, though unproven, at 14:54 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Neil Bothwick wrote: The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and implying they are the norm. Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from floppy disks to hard disks, or CDs to DVDs? Companies try to predict where the market should go so they can lead. No one gets it right all the time, the ones that survive are those that get it right often enough. The ones that are most likely to fail are those that never try to innovate in case someone doesn't like it. The important point is that KDE wanted something better, it's unfortunate that it took so much longer than planned, but it would have taken even longer if they had not tried. I just hope they also learned from their mistakes. Dropping KDE3 support long before KDE4 was ready was a big one. That shouldn't be repeated. They can do any damn thing they want to with their code. They also you owe support for it in exactly the same amount you paid for it. Which is to say nothing. It's not a question of should, it's only a question of Dale would prefer it if -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Update nvidia-drivers
Hi, I'm using nvidia-drivers-270.41.03 and got those too. ioremap error for 0xbf7ef000-0xbf7f, requested 0x10, got 0x0 Regards -- Xiangru Chen On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, this morning there was an update to nvidia-drivers-270.41.06. After running dmesg I found this: ioremap error for 0x9a000-0x9b000, requested 0x10, got 0x0 ioremap error for 0xcfe9-0xcfe91000, requested 0x10, got 0x0 I dont know, whether this is related to that update... In the context of the output of dmesg it looks like: nvidia :08:00.0: PCI INT A - GSI 24 (level, low) - IRQ 24 nvidia :08:00.0: setting latency timer to 64 vgaarb: device changed decodes: PCI::08:00.0,olddecodes=io+mem,decodes=none:owns=io+mem NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 270.41.06 Mon Apr 18 14:53:56 PDT 2011 microcode: CPU0: patch_level=0x1bf microcode: CPU1: patch_level=0x1bf microcode: CPU2: patch_level=0x1bf microcode: CPU3: patch_level=0x1bf microcode: CPU4: patch_level=0x1bf microcode: CPU5: patch_level=0x1bf microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.00tig...@aivazian.fsnet.co.uk, Peter Oruba EXT4-fs (sda11): re-mounted. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda5): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda6): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda7): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda8): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda9): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda10): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda3): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) EXT4-fs (sda12): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) sky2 :05:00.0: eth1: enabling interface sky2 :05:00.0: eth1: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex, flow control both sky2 :05:00.0: eth1: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex, flow control both Adding 6291452k swap on /dev/sda2. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:6291452k ioremap error for 0x9a000-0x9b000, requested 0x10, got 0x0 ioremap error for 0xcfe9-0xcfe91000, requested 0x10, got 0x0 Is this something to care of? And if yes -- what do I have to fix where ? Thank you very much for any help! :) Best regards mcc I get one of those in mine too. root@fireball / # dmesg | grep ioremap [ 31.812410] ioremap error for 0xbfcf3000-0xbfcf4000, requested 0x10, got 0x0 root@fireball / # I'm using nvidia-drivers-260.19.44 so at least one of those applies to a different series. You are not completely alone here. Let's hope it is not a serious problem or even a problem at all. The rest of dmesg looks normal to me. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?
He said that, according to his experiences, updating baselayout isn't really suffering. Regards On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote: 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～ huh? Remember the old saying, 'you can say that again'? Let's not. I didn't understand it the first time and won't the next time either. lol I got a friend that lived in China for a long time, maybe he can read it. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Alan McKinnon wrote: They can do any damn thing they want to with their code. They also you owe support for it in exactly the same amount you paid for it. Which is to say nothing. It's not a question of should, it's only a question of Dale would prefer it if So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable? For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye candy but not functional even for the little I do. Yea, it is what I want but it is also what MANY others wanted. Some of those people switched to something else or still use KDE3. It's their code, but if people stop using it, what is it really worth? I'm sure KDE wants to gain users not piss them off and make them go away. For me, if KDE does such a lousy switch over again, I'll be using something else. Given the posts I read where others have already done so, I doubt I would be alone. I'm all for second chances. We all learn the hard way sometimes. I'm just hoping KDE did. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 03:50:02PM +0200, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: They can do any damn thing they want to with their code. They also you owe support for it in exactly the same amount you paid for it. Which is to say nothing. It's not a question of should, it's only a question of Dale would prefer it if So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable? For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye candy but not functional even for the little I do. Yea, it is what I want but it is also what MANY others wanted. Some of those people switched to something else or still use KDE3. It's their code, but if people stop using it, what is it really worth? I'm sure KDE wants to gain users not piss them off and make them go away. For me, if KDE does such a lousy switch over again, I'll be using something else. Given the posts I read where others have already done so, I doubt I would be alone. I'm all for second chances. We all learn the hard way sometimes. I'm just hoping KDE did. I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009. Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot, finally putting them on xfce. If xfce gets a wild hair and changes my plan is to dumb down the fluxbox or openbox configs I have for my own use, add some scripting and call it a day. No-one disputes the freedom of the devs to do anything they wish with their code. It's just like anything else in life: you're free to do anything you want. Just know the consequences before you act or you may get burned. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?
on 05/12/2011 03:43 PM Indi wrote the following: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:40:02PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote: 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～ huh? It surely does look cool though, wish I could read and write in such a picturesque manner. :) The wonders of UTF8 ... the topic of another thread :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Up until a few weeks ago I have never used kde opting for xfce and openbox and cannot make any comments about kde3 and upgrade. I always preferred the lighter desktops. I really like 4.x, it has lots of features and seems to me at least, very easy to use (intuitive). So perhaps the kde team will over new fans. Its oodles better than any of its contemicropories. JDM -Original Message- From: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone? Alan McKinnon wrote: They can do any damn thing they want to with their code. They also you owe support for it in exactly the same amount you paid for it. Which is to say nothing. It's not a question of should, it's only a question of Dale would prefer it if So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable? For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye candy but not functional even for the little I do. Yea, it is what I want but it is also what MANY others wanted. Some of those people switched to something else or still use KDE3. It's their code, but if people stop using it, what is it really worth? I'm sure KDE wants to gain users not piss them off and make them go away. For me, if KDE does such a lousy switch over again, I'll be using something else. Given the posts I read where others have already done so, I doubt I would be alone. I'm all for second chances. We all learn the hard way sometimes. I'm just hoping KDE did. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote: So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable? For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye candy but not functional even for the little I do. I didn't switch until 4.3 or 4.4, KDE 3.5 worked fine for me up until then. It probably still works just as well now as part of the Trinity project. -- Neil Bothwick It's not a bug, it's tradition! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009. Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot, finally putting them on xfce. If xfce gets a wild hair and changes my plan is to dumb down the fluxbox or openbox configs I have for my own use, add some scripting and call it a day. So why didn't you just leave the users on KDE3? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Indi wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 03:50:02PM +0200, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: They can do any damn thing they want to with their code. They also you owe support for it in exactly the same amount you paid for it. Which is to say nothing. It's not a question of should, it's only a question of Dale would prefer it if So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable? For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye candy but not functional even for the little I do. Yea, it is what I want but it is also what MANY others wanted. Some of those people switched to something else or still use KDE3. It's their code, but if people stop using it, what is it really worth? I'm sure KDE wants to gain users not piss them off and make them go away. For me, if KDE does such a lousy switch over again, I'll be using something else. Given the posts I read where others have already done so, I doubt I would be alone. I'm all for second chances. We all learn the hard way sometimes. I'm just hoping KDE did. I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009. Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot, finally putting them on xfce. If xfce gets a wild hair and changes my plan is to dumb down the fluxbox or openbox configs I have for my own use, add some scripting and call it a day. No-one disputes the freedom of the devs to do anything they wish with their code. It's just like anything else in life: you're free to do anything you want. Just know the consequences before you act or you may get burned. Yep. A lot of KDE users was upset. The thing is, if they had got out just a few more releases, it would have been much better. They were improving KDE4 pretty fast but not fast enough. Since KDE3 was fairly complete, all it needed was a little love here and there. They didn't have to reinvent the wheel every month to keep KDE3 running. It can't be to bad since some users got together and are still maintaining KDE3 tho I don't know how good that is working out since I don't have it installed here anymore. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thu, 12 May 2011 07:54:13 -0500, Dale wrote: I just hope they also learned from their mistakes. Dropping KDE3 support long before KDE4 was ready was a big one. That shouldn't be repeated. If it's as good as everyone says, what more support did it need? Did the KDE guys come knocking on your door to remove it, or do it remotely (Android anyone?), or did it just keep working? I'd say that you got excellent value for money, and a lot more support for an EOL product than you paid for. Yes, it would have been nice if they had waited until KDE4 was a little more polished before EOLing KDE3, but who would have paid for two dev teams? -- Neil Bothwick I thought I saw the light at the end of the tunnel... but it was just some sod with a torch bringing me more work! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote: So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable? For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye candy but not functional even for the little I do. I didn't switch until 4.3 or 4.4, KDE 3.5 worked fine for me up until then. It probably still works just as well now as part of the Trinity project. Which supports my point. Maintain KDE3 until KDE4 is stable and usable. If it is still working, which I think it is tho some fixes have had to be made, then why couldn't KDE support KDE3 just a little while longer. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:30:02PM +0200, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011 07:54:13 -0500, Dale wrote: I just hope they also learned from their mistakes. Dropping KDE3 support long before KDE4 was ready was a big one. That shouldn't be repeated. If it's as good as everyone says, what more support did it need? Did the KDE guys come knocking on your door to remove it, or do it remotely (Android anyone?), or did it just keep working? That argument is probably valid when limiting the scope of the discussion to gentoo, but the only use I ever had for kde3 was for non-techie users who wouldn't know whether to poop or go blind if they click on something and nothing happens (or the worng thing happens). I had all but two on openSuse and the rest on Kubuntu in the kde3 days, but kde3 is nowhere near as idiot-proof now on either of those distros. I do not want to support non-techie users using obscure, deprecated, unmaintained code for something as critical as their DE! It's hard enough when everything works as advertised... To be honest, I haven't quite worked up the courage to put any users on gentoo, though it's become the only distro I feel really good about using. If we had more uniform hardware it would be a lot less daunting and I'd have probably done it already, but the idea of having to manage so many individual builds is just highly suboptimal. I'd say that you got excellent value for money, and a lot more support for an EOL product than you paid for. Yes, it would have been nice if they had waited until KDE4 was a little more polished before EOLing KDE3, but who would have paid for two dev teams? Yes, but you should have heard the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the non-tech users, it was like being surrounded by 8000 drunken harpies and it lasted almost three months til they finally resigned themselves to xfce. I will not go through that again. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009. Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot, finally putting them on xfce. If xfce gets a wild hair and changes my plan is to dumb down the fluxbox or openbox configs I have for my own use, add some scripting and call it a day. So why didn't you just leave the users on KDE3? For the same reason I didn't leave them on windows 98 se. Yes, it technically still works but is far less useful than it was when it was enthusiastically supported by its creators and still considered one of two default choices for DE duty. I'm sorry if this discussion has offended you, Alan. That was certainly not my intent. However, admins with stories like mine are not at all uncommon, and the bottom line is that kde4 lost a lot of users to other DEs. The kde devs clearly bit off more than could chew, but obviously that's water under the bridge now. But to deny it or make excuses now does no service to anyone. Oops, better not do that again, is what we all hope they learned. We all make mistakes, just don't make the same ones repeatedly! :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Indi wrote: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009. Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot, finally putting them on xfce. If xfce gets a wild hair and changes my plan is to dumb down the fluxbox or openbox configs I have for my own use, add some scripting and call it a day. So why didn't you just leave the users on KDE3? For the same reason I didn't leave them on windows 98 se. Yes, it technically still works but is far less useful than it was when it was enthusiastically supported by its creators and still considered one of two default choices for DE duty. I'm sorry if this discussion has offended you, Alan. That was certainly not my intent. However, admins with stories like mine are not at all uncommon, and the bottom line is that kde4 lost a lot of users to other DEs. The kde devs clearly bit off more than could chew, but obviously that's water under the bridge now. But to deny it or make excuses now does no service to anyone. Oops, better not do that again, is what we all hope they learned. We all make mistakes, just don't make the same ones repeatedly! :) +1 Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On 5/12/2011 9:25 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 14:54 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Neil Bothwick wrote: The pattern I see is that of selecting only changes that failed and implying they are the norm. Why not add other improvements that were so bad, like the switch from floppy disks to hard disks, or CDs to DVDs? Companies try to predict where the market should go so they can lead. No one gets it right all the time, the ones that survive are those that get it right often enough. The ones that are most likely to fail are those that never try to innovate in case someone doesn't like it. The important point is that KDE wanted something better, it's unfortunate that it took so much longer than planned, but it would have taken even longer if they had not tried. I just hope they also learned from their mistakes. Dropping KDE3 support long before KDE4 was ready was a big one. That shouldn't be repeated. They can do any damn thing they want to with their code. They also you owe support for it in exactly the same amount you paid for it. Which is to say nothing. It's not a question of should, it's only a question of Dale would prefer it if parent Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. /parent Of course the KDE3 team had every right to drop KDE3 support whenever they pleased. And we as free consumers had no real recourse other than to stop using KDE and/or deal with it. But it was still a bad decision from a software development standpoint, and one that ideally should not be made again. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say If the KDE4 team expects users to continue to use the software they spend so much of their time making, they shouldn't make that kind of decision again. --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On 12/5/2011, at 12:31am, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:14:55 Mike Edenfield wrote: The only problem with LC_ALL is that it overrides all of the other LC_* variables. - which is precisely what most ordinary desktop users want. No, I think they want all locale variables to be right. That may be achieved by setting LC_ALL, but you are advised, I believe, to set only LANG. You haven't justified why LC_ALL is better. ... Personally, I have no intention of ever allowing US English to pollute any of my boxes (no offence meant to anyone here), so LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF-8 suits me (so far - until I trip over something!). Could you possibly post the output of `date +%l:%M%P`? In doing so you'd be doing me a favour. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Stroller wrote: `date +%l:%M%P` Here's mine: root@fireball / # date +%l:%M%P 12:19pm root@fireball / # Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: depclean after kde-4.6 upgrade
On Wednesday 11 May 2011 23:26:28 Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: kde-base/knetworkconf selected: 4.4.5 protected: none omitted: none Is asking to be removed, but there isn't a 4.6 version. Has it been replaced by something else? It was replaced by knetworkmanager Not sure it is. knetworkconf-4.4.5 is part of kde-base family of packages and has no networkmanager support or indeed wicd, but knetworkmanager is part of kde-misc and has support for both (at least as far as their USE flags advise). Also, knetworkconf was brought in as part kdeadmin-meta-4.4.5, knetworkmanager is not. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thursday 12 May 2011 18:06:27 Stroller wrote: Could you possibly post the output of `date +%l:%M%P`? In doing so you'd be doing me a favour. $ date +%l:%M%P 8:39 That's the wall-clock time (p.m.) in my local time-zone. What Americans call daylight savings time, though how they imagine any time is saved I don't know. Again: :) -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thursday 12 May 2011 10:23:42 Dale wrote: If ntp gives you grief, try chrony. I use ntp on one machine where ntp works well and chrony on my main rig since ntp sucks on it. Weird but it works. I've been using chrony for years. It's a nice piece of code: it keeps the clock in sync, regardless of what other OSes you may run on the same box, and it makes gradual adjustments so as not to upset, e.g., postfix. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thursday 12 May 2011 14:00:16 Dale wrote: Hindsight. 20/20 as always. LOL I just wish my eyes was. What? In the back of your head? :) -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:00:02PM +0200, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 14:00:16 Dale wrote: Hindsight. 20/20 as always. LOL I just wish my eyes was. What? In the back of your head? :) My hair hides the eyes in the back of my head (and hides my horns, too). -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
[gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org writes: On Wednesday 11 May 2011 22:14:55 Mike Edenfield wrote: The only problem with LC_ALL is that it overrides all of the other LC_* variables. - which is precisely what most ordinary desktop users want. Most perhaps, but certainly not all. For me it's important that swedish charaters is usable, that åäö is sorted correctly, and that uppercase å is Å, so that case-insensitiv searches works. But it's equally important for me to have messages in english, so I have LANG=sv_SE.utf8, but LC_MESSAGES=C -- Christer
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thursday 12 May 2011 18:20:15 Dale wrote: Stroller wrote: `date +%l:%M%P` Here's mine: root@fireball / # date +%l:%M%P 12:19pm root@fireball / # Dale $ date +%l:%M%P 9:23 $ locale LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_TIME=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_MONETARY=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF-8 -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 14:00:16 Dale wrote: Hindsight. 20/20 as always. LOL I just wish my eyes was. What? In the back of your head? :) You know, you do something then look back and wish you had done it differently. Then again, I have arthritis in my neck and can't turn my head much. That kind of hind sight might be good to. That would come in handy when I am on the tractor. lol Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] mirrorselect on new install
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=6 seems to have a circular reference, that is, suggesting the use of the subject utility prior to chrooting and having any such utility in $PATH. I've never installed Gentoo before, so maybe I've missed something. Or maybe that page could use another link or some rewrite to clarify? I tried to find an answer via http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/ but it seems to lack a search function/box. :-( -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] mirrorselect on new install
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=6 seems to have a circular reference, that is, suggesting the use of the subject utility prior to chrooting and having any such utility in $PATH. I've never installed Gentoo before, so maybe I've missed something. Or maybe that page could use another link or some rewrite to clarify? I tried to find an answer via http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/ but it seems to lack a search function/box. :-( -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ If it's the first line in the link, then this is done before the chroot. Note that the path is the etc directory in the eventual install. You get the make.conf file set up and then chroot. The guide is correct. mirrorselect -i -o /mnt/gentoo/etc/make.conf That's not to say that it couldn't be done after the chroot. It possibly could. I've never done it that way though. Hope this helps, Mark mirrorselect -i -o /mnt/gentoo/etc/make.conf
Re: [gentoo-user] mirrorselect on new install
* Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net [110512 16:15]: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=6 seems to have a circular reference, that is, suggesting the use of the subject utility prior to chrooting and having any such utility in $PATH. I've never installed Gentoo before, so maybe I've missed something. Or maybe that page could use another link or some rewrite to clarify? I tried to find an answer via http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/ but it seems to lack a search function/box. :-( -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ mirrorselect is available in the system you're running before you chroot. I believe the instructions in the handbook you reference above assume you've booted off a Gentoo install disk (which should have mirrorselect on it.) Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Apparently, though unproven, at 17:06 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009. Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot, finally putting them on xfce. If xfce gets a wild hair and changes my plan is to dumb down the fluxbox or openbox configs I have for my own use, add some scripting and call it a day. So why didn't you just leave the users on KDE3? For the same reason I didn't leave them on windows 98 se. Yes, it technically still works but is far less useful than it was when it was enthusiastically supported by its creators and still considered one of two default choices for DE duty. I'm sorry if this discussion has offended you, Alan. That was certainly not my intent. No, you didn't offend me. I usually talk and type like that. However, admins with stories like mine are not at all uncommon, and the bottom line is that kde4 lost a lot of users to other DEs. The kde devs clearly bit off more than could chew, but obviously that's water under the bridge now. But to deny it or make excuses now does no service to anyone. Oops, better not do that again, is what we all hope they learned. We all make mistakes, just don't make the same ones repeatedly! :) Your first three sentences above contain huge sweeping generalities disguised as facts, but all they really are is what Indi thinks. If you are going to make comments like that, you have to back them up with some kind of independant unbiased metrics, otherwise you are talking through a hole in your ass. I have what I think might be an interesting exercise. One of the machines I admin is an enormous ftp server that serves an entire continent. It hosts every major (and many minor) distros, including gentoo and it's distfiles. One day when I'm motivated enough to do it, I might just draw download stats per distro for packages with kde in the name and plot this going back to before KDE-4.0.0 was released. I feel the numbers might prove very interesting. I won't be doing it today though, the motivation is not there (in the same way that the authors of KDE didn't have the motivation to maintain kde3 anymore). -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] mirrorselect on new install
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:41 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Felix Miata did opine thusly: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=6 seems to have a circular reference, that is, suggesting the use of the subject utility prior to chrooting and having any such utility in $PATH. I've never installed Gentoo before, so maybe I've missed something. Or maybe that page could use another link or some rewrite to clarify? I tried to find an answer via http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/ but it seems to lack a search function/box. :-( Where exactly is this supposed circular reference? As in, quote the exact text and why you feel it is in error. You have to select a mirror before the chroot step; to get a working chroot you have to acquire a stage (usually by downloading it) and to do that you need to select a download source. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Pre OpenRC update question...
Probably a dumb one, but... I have /home, /usr and /var on separate partitions... If I want to image my system prior to the update 'just in case' something goes south, am I correct that all I need to worry about is /, since /etc is located there? In other words, is anything on /usr or /var touched during this update?
Re: [gentoo-user] mirrorselect on new install
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:50:02PM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=6 seems to have a circular reference, that is, suggesting the use of the subject utility prior to chrooting and having any such utility in $PATH. I've never installed Gentoo before, so maybe I've missed something. Or maybe that page could use another link or some rewrite to clarify? I tried to find an answer via http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/ but it seems to lack a search function/box. :-( -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ It's been quite awhile since I installed, but ISTR that mirrorselect must be emerged after chrooting into the new envirnment. You can also just add mirrors manually, like this: GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/gentoo/ ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/gentoo/; -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] Pre OpenRC update question...
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Tanstaafl did opine thusly: Probably a dumb one, but... I have /home, /usr and /var on separate partitions... If I want to image my system prior to the update 'just in case' something goes south, am I correct that all I need to worry about is /, since /etc is located there? In other words, is anything on /usr or /var touched during this update? No. $ equery files openrc | grep '/usr/|\/var/' $ equery files baselayout | grep '/usr/|\/var/' $ All the affected configs are in /etc/ -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote: So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable? For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye candy but not functional even for the little I do. I didn't switch until 4.3 or 4.4, KDE 3.5 worked fine for me up until then. It probably still works just as well now as part of the Trinity project. Which supports my point. Maintain KDE3 until KDE4 is stable and usable. If it is still working, which I think it is tho some fixes have had to be made, then why couldn't KDE support KDE3 just a little while longer. So here's two killer questions for you: 1. How much money did you pay towards KDE dev salaries overall? 2. How many times does your name appear in KDE Changelogs? While the answer to both is zero you do not get to complain. Here's another killer: Q. What's the difference between KDE devs and Dale? A: KDE devs launched an editor and typed code. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:10:03PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 17:06 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 04:40:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: I had 8 users on kde before 3 was deprecated in 2009. Now I have zero. It was a harrowing time, switching everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot, finally putting them on xfce. If xfce gets a wild hair and changes my plan is to dumb down the fluxbox or openbox configs I have for my own use, add some scripting and call it a day. So why didn't you just leave the users on KDE3? For the same reason I didn't leave them on windows 98 se. Yes, it technically still works but is far less useful than it was when it was enthusiastically supported by its creators and still considered one of two default choices for DE duty. I'm sorry if this discussion has offended you, Alan. That was certainly not my intent. No, you didn't offend me. I usually talk and type like that. However, admins with stories like mine are not at all uncommon, and the bottom line is that kde4 lost a lot of users to other DEs. The kde devs clearly bit off more than could chew, but obviously that's water under the bridge now. But to deny it or make excuses now does no service to anyone. Oops, better not do that again, is what we all hope they learned. We all make mistakes, just don't make the same ones repeatedly! :) Your first three sentences above contain huge sweeping generalities disguised as facts, but all they really are is what Indi thinks. If you are going to make comments like that, you have to back them up with some kind of independant unbiased metrics, otherwise you are talking through a hole in your ass. I have what I think might be an interesting exercise. One of the machines I admin is an enormous ftp server that serves an entire continent. It hosts every major (and many minor) distros, including gentoo and it's distfiles. One day when I'm motivated enough to do it, I might just draw download stats per distro for packages with kde in the name and plot this going back to before KDE-4.0.0 was released. I feel the numbers might prove very interesting. I won't be doing it today though, the motivation is not there (in the same way that the authors of KDE didn't have the motivation to maintain kde3 anymore). You might be correct, but I very much doubt it. I will say though that it's almost a certainty the *type* of user who uses kde4 is probably different from those who used kde3. As I mentioned before, IMO the forte of kde3 was making migration to linux easy for windows users. I don't think anyone can say that about kde4 with a straight face. On this list we constantly see pretty advanced users having trouble keeping kde4 running. My own experiments with it were extremely frustrating. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:19 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: You might be correct, but I very much doubt it. I will say though that it's almost a certainty the type of user who uses kde4 is probably different from those who used kde3. There you go again, offering opinion disguised as fact. Other than your own (necessarily biased) experience, what do you base this statement on? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On 12/5/2011, at 6:20pm, Dale wrote: Stroller wrote: `date +%l:%M%P` Here's mine: root@fireball / # date +%l:%M%P 12:19pm root@fireball / # And what are your locale settings? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote: So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable? For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye candy but not functional even for the little I do. I didn't switch until 4.3 or 4.4, KDE 3.5 worked fine for me up until then. It probably still works just as well now as part of the Trinity project. Which supports my point. Maintain KDE3 until KDE4 is stable and usable. If it is still working, which I think it is tho some fixes have had to be made, then why couldn't KDE support KDE3 just a little while longer. So here's two killer questions for you: 1. How much money did you pay towards KDE dev salaries overall? 2. How many times does your name appear in KDE Changelogs? While the answer to both is zero you do not get to complain. Here's another killer: Q. What's the difference between KDE devs and Dale? A: KDE devs launched an editor and typed code. Your questions don't disprove what me and others have posted. As I have said on the KDE mailing list, KDE made a serious mistake dropping KDE3 before KDE4 was ready. I didn't make that decision so it is not my mistake regardless of what is paid or not paid or what effort I have or have not put into it. There is a LOT of things that are beyond my control but it doesn't mean I don't have the right to point out a mistake. I point it out so that hopefully it won't be made again. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Pre OpenRC update question...
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:00 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Tanstaafl did opine thusly: Probably a dumb one, but... I have /home, /usr and /var on separate partitions... If I want to image my system prior to the update 'just in case' something goes south, am I correct that all I need to worry about is /, since /etc is located there? In other words, is anything on /usr or /var touched during this update? No. $ equery files openrc | grep '/usr/|\/var/' $ equery files baselayout | grep '/usr/|\/var/' $ All the affected configs are in /etc/ That was all I backed up when I did mine to. If it does go south, just re-emerge the old packages and restore /etc from your backups. Should be back to normal. That said, follow the guide and you should be fine. It went smoothly for me. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On 12/5/2011, at 8:41pm, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 18:06:27 Stroller wrote: Could you possibly post the output of `date +%l:%M%P`? In doing so you'd be doing me a favour. $ date +%l:%M%P 8:39 That's the wall-clock time (p.m.) in my local time-zone. What Americans call daylight savings time, though how they imagine any time is saved I don't know. From `man date`: %l hour ( 1..12) ... %M minute (00..59) ... %p locale's equivalent of either AM or PM; blank if not known %P like %p, but lower case I'd be curious to compare with the output of `date +%r` on your system, but you probably actually want to set: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_TIME=POSIX in order to get the correct results. Stroller.
[gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On 05/12/2011 07:00 AM, Indi wrote: ...It was a harrowing time, switching everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot... Just curious: what sort of complaints did you get about gnome?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:30:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 16:38 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2011 08:46:32 -0500, Dale wrote: So, you think most of the KDE users were happy to see support for KDE3 being dropped, especially considering KDE4 was much less than stable? For me and a lot of others, it was worthless at first. It was good eye candy but not functional even for the little I do. I didn't switch until 4.3 or 4.4, KDE 3.5 worked fine for me up until then. It probably still works just as well now as part of the Trinity project. Which supports my point. Maintain KDE3 until KDE4 is stable and usable. If it is still working, which I think it is tho some fixes have had to be made, then why couldn't KDE support KDE3 just a little while longer. So here's two killer questions for you: 1. How much money did you pay towards KDE dev salaries overall? 2. How many times does your name appear in KDE Changelogs? While the answer to both is zero you do not get to complain. Here's another killer: Q. What's the difference between KDE devs and Dale? A: KDE devs launched an editor and typed code. That's called grandstanding, where I come from. I certainly agree that the devs' rights trump the users' rights in FOSS, and that's as it should be. It is however a fact of life that while you have no ethical obligation to your users beyond telling the truth and not being evil, some users will choose not to use your software if the devs' attitude is perceived as dismissive or insensitive toward the concerns of their users. That's just human nature. You don't have to like it or agree with it but in the end you are limited by it. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:50:02PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:19 on Thursday 12 May 2011, Indi did opine thusly: You might be correct, but I very much doubt it. I will say though that it's almost a certainty the type of user who uses kde4 is probably different from those who used kde3. There you go again, offering opinion disguised as fact. Other than your own (necessarily biased) experience, what do you base this statement on? Yes yes yes, I am merely offering my opinion. No scientific peer-reviewd paper will be published, so by all means be combative and demand I agree I am wrong. Boy, you will not win that one. I expressed my opinion. You dismiss it. It's over now. Try to be happy. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:30:01AM +0200, walt wrote: On 05/12/2011 07:00 AM, Indi wrote: ...It was a harrowing time, switching everyone to gnome, finding that is not so hot... Just curious: what sort of complaints did you get about gnome? Oh to be honest I think most of the complaints were that it wasn't kde and it was the first thing I put them on. Since they got xfce after that I think they simply learned to lower their expectations. Probably if I'd put them on xfce first they'd be attached to using gnome now. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Stroller wrote: On 12/5/2011, at 6:20pm, Dale wrote: Stroller wrote: `date +%l:%M%P` Here's mine: root@fireball / # date +%l:%M%P 12:19pm root@fireball / # And what are your locale settings? Stroller. root@fireball / # locale LANG=en_US.UTF8 LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF8 LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF8 LC_TIME=en_US.UTF8 LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF8 LC_MONETARY=en_US.UTF8 LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF8 LC_PAPER=en_US.UTF8 LC_NAME=en_US.UTF8 LC_ADDRESS=en_US.UTF8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_US.UTF8 LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.UTF8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US.UTF8 LC_ALL=en_US.UTF8 root@fireball / # locale -a C en_US en_US.iso88591 en_US.utf8 POSIX root@fireball / # That what you was needing? Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?
Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote: ?baselayout?suffer,??? huh? Google Translate : **Personal experience, baselayout how updates are in fact not suffer, Oh~ ** Xiangru Chen's translation is a bit better, I must admit.
Re: [gentoo-user] mirrorselect on new install
On 2011/05/12 17:03 (GMT-0400) Indi composed: On 2011/05/12 16:41 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=6 seems to have a circular reference, that is, suggesting the use of the subject utility prior to chrooting and having any such utility in $PATH. I've never installed Gentoo before, so maybe I've missed something. Or maybe that page could use another link or some rewrite to clarify? I tried to find an answer via http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/ but it seems to lack a search function/box. :-( It's been quite awhile since I installed, but ISTR that mirrorselect must be emerged after chrooting into the new envirnment. You can also just add mirrors manually, like this: GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/gentoo/ ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/gentoo/; Since I'm familiar and happy with mirrors.us.kernel.org performance, I might rather use that, or rsync.us.gentoo.org (if that's not yet another/separate entry make.conf needs, not clear from my reading of the OP URL). So all GENTOO_MIRRORS needs is the same URL once as http and once as ftp, or is that something specific to mcs.anl.gov? It's encouraging to try a new distro, join its mailing list, ask a question, and get 3 answers within half an hour of asking, and even get one 17 minutes before I asked the question (2011/05/12 16:24 (GMT-0400) Todd Goodman using Mutt). :-) In the pages preceding http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=6 it seemed as though the process would be easy enough, having built up some experience working in chroot lately to fix fubar'd Fedora and Mandriva rpm database disasters (https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=32547 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680508). I guess I missed the requirement to be running Gentoo to be able to initiate an install of Gentoo. I thought whatever Linux was already installed would be good enough, until I got to the mirrorselect instructions, and found no incorporated alternative such as Indi has replied with. Indeed, not needing to have booted Gentoo to run a Gentoo installer was part of the allure that got me started. I have more than 20 functional multiboot puters, with few having less than 4 installed operating systems. More typical is 12+. What I use 24/7 are openSUSE and eComStation. Most of the rest are either backup, or [OS,browser,web site] testing only. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] Pre OpenRC update question...
On 13/05/2011 5:00 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: Probably a dumb one, but... I have /home, /usr and /var on separate partitions... If I want to image my system prior to the update 'just in case' something goes south, am I correct that all I need to worry about is /, since /etc is located there? In other words, is anything on /usr or /var touched during this update? If you want to be reeaallyyy safe, and want an image and not a backup, grab the latest copy of SystemRescueCd, a couple of TB of usb external drive space, which is very cheap these days, and use partImage to grab a true image of your whole system. I started doing this recently and it's saved me once so far. Things flew apart big time for me recently, a disk failure, I rebooted into the rescue cd and hey presto, 30 minutes later, everything was good. Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] mirrorselect on new install
On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2011/05/12 17:03 (GMT-0400) Indi composed: On 2011/05/12 16:41 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=6 seems to have a circular reference, that is, suggesting the use of the subject utility prior to chrooting and having any such utility in $PATH. I've never installed Gentoo before, so maybe I've missed something. Or maybe that page could use another link or some rewrite to clarify? I tried to find an answer via http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/ but it seems to lack a search function/box. :-( It's been quite awhile since I installed, but ISTR that mirrorselect must be emerged after chrooting into the new envirnment. You can also just add mirrors manually, like this: GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/gentoo/ ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/gentoo/; Since I'm familiar and happy with mirrors.us.kernel.org performance, I might rather use that, or rsync.us.gentoo.org (if that's not yet another/separate entry make.conf needs, not clear from my reading of the OP URL). So all GENTOO_MIRRORS needs is the same URL once as http and once as ftp, or is that something specific to mcs.anl.gov? It's encouraging to try a new distro, join its mailing list, ask a question, and get 3 answers within half an hour of asking, and even get one 17 minutes before I asked the question (2011/05/12 16:24 (GMT-0400) Todd Goodman using Mutt). :-) In the pages preceding http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=6 it seemed as though the process would be easy enough, having built up some experience working in chroot lately to fix fubar'd Fedora and Mandriva rpm database disasters (https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=32547 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680508). I guess I missed the requirement to be running Gentoo to be able to initiate an install of Gentoo. I thought whatever Linux was already installed would be good enough, until I got to the mirrorselect instructions, and found no incorporated alternative such as Indi has replied with. Indeed, not needing to have booted Gentoo to run a Gentoo installer was part of the allure that got me started. I have more than 20 functional multiboot puters, with few having less than 4 installed operating systems. More typical is 12+. What I use 24/7 are openSUSE and eComStation. Most of the rest are either backup, or [OS,browser,web site] testing only. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ Felix, Welcome. OK, I personally think (not speaking for anyone except myself here...) that the Gentoo Install Guide is based on what Todd suggested - the *idea* that the person that's following it booted a Gentoo Install CD. That' a pretty natural assumption I think. You want to install Fedora, you boot a Fedora CD, Ubuntu, Ubuntu CD, etc. That does _not_ mean however that you MUST boot a Gentoo Install CD, and it doesn't mean that you have to follow the guide explicitly. For instance, I seldom set up mirrorselect on new installs as I generally just copy a make.conf file from another machine and that copy has the address. I typically don't use links to download the two big tar file, I do that on some other machine that's already running Gentoo and the ssh them over to do the new install. I guess the point is that there are about as many ways as you want to do this install. The documentation folks did what works for most people and let others proceed on their own as they wish. Hope this helps, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] mirrorselect on new install
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 02:20:01AM +0200, Felix Miata wrote: On 2011/05/12 17:03 (GMT-0400) Indi composed: On 2011/05/12 16:41 (GMT-0400) Felix Miata composed: Since I'm familiar and happy with mirrors.us.kernel.org performance, I might rather use that, or rsync.us.gentoo.org (if that's not yet another/separate entry make.conf needs, not clear from my reading of the OP URL). So all GENTOO_MIRRORS needs is the same URL once as http and once as ftp, or is that something specific to mcs.anl.gov? You can use either http, ftp, or rsync and you can use (AFAIK) as many entries as you wish. I think it even works if you don't bother with it, too. It's encouraging to try a new distro, join its mailing list, ask a question, and get 3 answers within half an hour of asking, and even get one 17 minutes before I asked the question (2011/05/12 16:24 (GMT-0400) Todd Goodman using Mutt). :-) Yes I love that too, as well as the fact that the documentation is extremely thorough in most respects, and what little is lacking or over my head is usually easily found via searching the fine web. In the pages preceding http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=6 it seemed as though the process would be easy enough, having built up some experience working in chroot lately to fix fubar'd Fedora and Mandriva rpm database disasters (https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=32547 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680508). I guess I missed the requirement to be running Gentoo to be able to initiate an install of Gentoo. I thought whatever Linux was already installed would be good enough, until I got to the mirrorselect instructions, and found no incorporated alternative such as Indi has replied with. Indeed, not needing to have booted Gentoo to run a Gentoo installer was part of the allure that got me started. I have never installed gentoo with a gentoo installer disc. Always seemed unecessary. I have more than 20 functional multiboot puters, with few having less than 4 installed operating systems. More typical is 12+. What I use 24/7 are openSUSE and eComStation. Most of the rest are either backup, or [OS,browser,web site] testing only. Well you'll probably love gentoo. Once you get the make.conf and package.use files figured out and all your hardware properly accounted for it's just amazingly good, IME. I'm totally spoiled by gentoo, and sure do notice that everytime I have to use any other system. -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] mirrorselect on new install
Apparently, though unproven, at 02:06 on Friday 13 May 2011, Felix Miata did opine thusly: I guess I missed the requirement to be running Gentoo to be able to initiate an install of Gentoo. This is not correct I thought whatever Linux was already installed would be good enough, this is correct until I got to the mirrorselect instructions, and found no incorporated alternative such as Indi has replied with. Indeed, not needing to have booted Gentoo to run a Gentoo installer was part of the allure that got me started. That part of the doc assumes that the user is indeed running from the LiveCD-like environment provided by the official installer. There are other docs (far less verbose in their explanations) covering alternate install sources. All an installer (for any distro does) is write stuff to disk, and what it writes is in the correct format so that when the user reboots into it, what has been written there functions correctly as an OS. Most distros provide a customized environment to do this in, usually in the form of a bootable CD. This works well for them because that installer was coded to take care of all the distro's quirks (and to provide a seamless installer, and if necessary to dumb it down to the point where Aunt Tillie can do it). There is no *requirement* anywhere that the installer OS matches the installed OS. Heck the installer can even be Windows, and in the case of Wubi, is IS windows :-) Virtually anything that can fetch, use and unpack a stage3 then do a chroot works fine as an installer, as long as it has drivers for your hardware and the filesystem you plan to use. Of all the Gentoo installs I have done, I can only remember the first ever using a Gentoo installer - that was long ago when doing a stage1 earned streetcred points. Nowadays doing a stage1 usually tags you as a sado- masochist (but I digress). All my installs since then have been whatever LiveCD I happen to have handy, usually Ubuntu or my trusty RIPLinux rescue system on a flash drive. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?
2011/5/12 Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:40:02PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote: 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～ huh? It surely does look cool though, wish I could read and write in such a picturesque manner. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ I agree with you. Being a Chinese, I even feel it's cool to write Chinese in calligraphy way with ink brushes. I think it's a intresting game for a phonogram language speeker to learn a pictograph language, just like when I was learning English.
Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?
2011/5/12 Thanasis thana...@asyr.hopto.org on 05/12/2011 03:43 PM Indi wrote the following: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:40:02PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote: 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～ huh? It surely does look cool though, wish I could read and write in such a picturesque manner. :) The wonders of UTF8 ... the topic of another thread :) Can Chinese character be displayed correctly when there is no zh* setting in LINGUAS variant?
Re: [gentoo-user] mirrorselect on new install
On 2011/05/13 02:37 (GMT+0200) Alan McKinnon composed: That part of the doc assumes that the user is indeed running from the LiveCD-like environment provided by the official installer. There are other docs (far less verbose in their explanations) covering alternate install sources. My actual starting point was The Gentoo Linux alternative installation method HOWTO http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml#doc_chap5. It was from its link to http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=4 that I wound up at the OP link after two next clicks. Most distros provide a customized environment to do this in, usually in the form of a bootable CD. I used a few of those many many moons ago, but have only installed in recent years using an installation kernel and initrd loaded by Grub, and usually via HTTP, rarely by a previously downloaded iso. This installation via chroot is completely new to me, though I suspect it's probably common among paid OS devs, not unique to Gentoo. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?
On 5/12/2011 9:27 PM, 刘勇泰 wrote: 2011/5/12 Thanasis thana...@asyr.hopto.org mailto:thana...@asyr.hopto.org on 05/12/2011 03:43 PM Indi wrote the following: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:40:02PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote: 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～ huh? It surely does look cool though, wish I could read and write in such a picturesque manner. :) The wonders of UTF8 ... the topic of another thread :) Can Chinese character be displayed correctly when there is no zh* setting in LINGUAS variant? Yes. The characters you see depends on your character set, not your locale. Unicode supports a huge set of Han characters, assuming you have a font with those characters in it. Anyone with a UTF-8 based locale should be able to see the characters just fine. --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] Will the next auto-build stage tar ball include OpenRC update?
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 03:40:01AM +0200, 刘勇泰 wrote: 2011/5/12 Thanasis [1]thana...@asyr.hopto.org on 05/12/2011 03:43 PM Indi wrote the following: On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 02:40:02PM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Thursday 12 May 2011 17:12:30 dong l wrote: 个人经历，baselayout的更新其实都不怎么suffer,呵呵～ huh? It surely does look cool though, wish I could read and write in such a picturesque manner. :) The wonders of UTF8 ... the topic of another thread :) Can Chinese character be displayed correctly when there is no zh* setting in LINGUAS variant? You'd be more qualified to answer that than I, but I think so. Everything appears to work for me after defining en_US.UTF-8 and switching the fonts to Deja Vu Sans Mono, but as I am illiterate in Asian languages that may be assuming a lot. :) -- caveat utilitor ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫
Re: [gentoo-user] mirrorselect on new install
On 5/12/2011 8:06 PM, Felix Miata wrote: In the pages preceding http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=6 it seemed as though the process would be easy enough, having built up some experience working in chroot lately to fix fubar'd Fedora and Mandriva rpm database disasters (https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=32547 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=680508). I guess I missed the requirement to be running Gentoo to be able to initiate an install of Gentoo. I thought whatever Linux was already installed would be good enough, until I got to the mirrorselect instructions, and found no incorporated alternative such as Indi has replied with. Indeed, not needing to have booted Gentoo to run a Gentoo installer was part of the allure that got me started. You don't need to be running Gentoo to install Gentoo. You do need to be running a Gentoo install CD to follow the Handbook's How to install Gentoo using a Gentoo install CD guide. But you could perform the same basic steps using any bootable CD and get a working Gentoo system. Mirrorselect in particular is completely optional; you don't *have* to set a specific distfile or rsync mirror. Portage will use sensible defaults. Or, you could just as easily set up your selected mirror with a text editor :) --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] How's the openrc update going for everyone?
Just ran into a gotcha with my main server upgrade to openrc/baselayout2 - it appears that the old ifconfig network syntax no longer works. I kept getting the message: Error: either local is duplicate, or netmask is garbage until I changed the syntax from config_eth0=XX.YY.ZZ.WW broadcast XX.YY.ZZ.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 to config_eth0=XX.YY.ZZ.WW/24 The other syntax worked in baselayout1. -- Manuel A. McLure WW1FA man...@mclure.org http://www.mclure.org ...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law, no man may kill a cat. -- H.P. Lovecraft
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How's the openrc update going for everyone?
On 2011-05-12 23:44, Dale wrote: Your questions don't disprove what me and others have posted. As I have I think Alans point is that while the KDE developers (volunteers, or paid for) have certain goals which may or may not be tangential to yours (clearly, in the case of KDE3 vs KDE4 they are not). So unless you pay someone to have your specific requirements satisfied you don't get to complain. The volunteers have an itch to scratch, i.e. they want some certain functionality which they care about and are, probably, not interested in anything else. Paid for developers are (probably/most likely) being told what to work on. And developer resources are, probably, scarce so... If you (and others) wish KDE3 to be supported then you either need to: 1. Support/maintain KDE3 yourselves. 2. Pay someone to support/maintain KDE3. That's the way it works, which is also somewhat valid for commercial software, but you usually don't get the option of paying the producer to maintain your specific version unless you are a _big_ customer (with lots of money), but with open source you at least have the option of scratching an itch yourself or paying someone to do the work for you (and even pool resources with people who share the same interests). mistake. I point it out so that hopefully it won't be made again. Of course, anyone can have an opinion! :-D Best regards Peter K
