[gentoo-user] cxx/nocxx error building gcc-4.5.3-r1
I'm doing a fresh 32-bit install on an older Dell with an AMD K8, for experimentation. I'm getting a build failure on gcc as listed below. I start off my USE variable with -* and then add on stuff as necessary. A Google search turned up http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/242446 where vapier says... this way when i do cut over from USE=nocxx to USE=cxx, we don't end up with users missing C++ compilers simply because they have old make.conf settings that started out with: USE=-* ... That appears to be relavant to me. But I'm not a developer, and I don't claim to totally understand what he's talking about. I do have some ebuilds that use C++. Should I add cxx to my USE variable? The build error message follows... * Fixing misc issues in configure files * Applying gcc-configure-texinfo.patch ... * Touching generated files * Touching gcc/cstamp-h.in * Touching gcc/config.in * Touching libjava/aclocal.m4 * Touching libjava/Makefile.in * Touching libjava/configure * Applying gcc-spec-env.patch ... Source unpacked in /var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r1/work Compiling source in /var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r1/work/gcc-4.5.3 ... * CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -pipe * CXXFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -pipe * Configuring gcc ... * We are migrating USE=nocxx to USE=cxx, but your USE settings do not make * sense. Please make sure these two flags line up logically in your setup. * ERROR: sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r1 failed (compile phase): * USE='cxx nocxx' and USE='-cxx -nocxx' make no sense * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 56: Called src_compile * environment, line 4463: Called toolchain_src_compile * environment, line 5158: Called gcc_do_configure * environment, line 2417: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * die USE='cxx nocxx' and USE='-cxx -nocxx' make no sense; * -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] cxx/nocxx error building gcc-4.5.3-r1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, since you have not posted your specific USE-flags, it gets harder to help you. I think you could try to add cxx to your USE-flags. If the does not help you, you should post your USE-flags and eventually the output of emerge --info to make it easier for us to help you. regards Hinnerk On 08.12.2011 09:15, Walter Dnes wrote: I'm doing a fresh 32-bit install on an older Dell with an AMD K8, for experimentation. I'm getting a build failure on gcc as listed below. I start off my USE variable with -* and then add on stuff as necessary. A Google search turned up http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/242446 where vapier says... this way when i do cut over from USE=nocxx to USE=cxx, we don't end up with users missing C++ compilers simply because they have old make.conf settings that started out with: USE=-* ... That appears to be relavant to me. But I'm not a developer, and I don't claim to totally understand what he's talking about. I do have some ebuilds that use C++. Should I add cxx to my USE variable? The build error message follows... * Fixing misc issues in configure files * Applying gcc-configure-texinfo.patch ... * Touching generated files * Touching gcc/cstamp-h.in * Touching gcc/config.in * Touching libjava/aclocal.m4 * Touching libjava/Makefile.in * Touching libjava/configure * Applying gcc-spec-env.patch ... Source unpacked in /var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r1/work Compiling source in /var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r1/work/gcc-4.5.3 ... * CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -pipe * CXXFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -pipe * Configuring gcc ... * We are migrating USE=nocxx to USE=cxx, but your USE settings do not make * sense. Please make sure these two flags line up logically in your setup. * ERROR: sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r1 failed (compile phase): * USE='cxx nocxx' and USE='-cxx -nocxx' make no sense * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 56: Called src_compile * environment, line 4463: Called toolchain_src_compile * environment, line 5158: Called gcc_do_configure * environment, line 2417: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * die USE='cxx nocxx' and USE='-cxx -nocxx' make no sense; * -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO4H2NAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYcrFYH/RmfTfh5FIraOANoqVQ7OS/T m+595mqZbtQQOuMS3/0xUD9v0CDIDiUlEMqOOutaNi0RCksZV+Wnu6q8lQ3xeom6 s6darHCheXheHP9pD5OjYiK5iZGJOEq4alN1Po7ibQC9Y0hebHUQ+SfqQQ6qJydY Y2cUn8rdGyOcL5ch67djsiEFgt8LEU4AIVOVfCXPq4XXuH6J+uLX3HDSKo87r6Ru UN7S5bjRraNoyI7hq+7d2Qzt1nosDgVR35ibK8FTZ65y9F1Nw1H7fsN4tioKLJQ6 FT4/lyQfwb02UbIm7McLuMDzHJ+jlD37bKucnfPfrj1O87cGMfmNUXZZOUO1CRo= =Ut67 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] cxx/nocxx error building gcc-4.5.3-r1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just for clarification: - -* means -cxx and -nocxx This can produce the failure you get. Therefore you should set cxx (normally you should want a c++ compiler). If you have -* cxx nocxx you will have to remove one of the two useflags. Hinnerk On 08.12.2011 10:04, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: Hi, since you have not posted your specific USE-flags, it gets harder to help you. I think you could try to add cxx to your USE-flags. If the does not help you, you should post your USE-flags and eventually the output of emerge --info to make it easier for us to help you. regards Hinnerk On 08.12.2011 09:15, Walter Dnes wrote: I'm doing a fresh 32-bit install on an older Dell with an AMD K8, for experimentation. I'm getting a build failure on gcc as listed below. I start off my USE variable with -* and then add on stuff as necessary. A Google search turned up http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/242446 where vapier says... this way when i do cut over from USE=nocxx to USE=cxx, we don't end up with users missing C++ compilers simply because they have old make.conf settings that started out with: USE=-* ... That appears to be relavant to me. But I'm not a developer, and I don't claim to totally understand what he's talking about. I do have some ebuilds that use C++. Should I add cxx to my USE variable? The build error message follows... * Fixing misc issues in configure files * Applying gcc-configure-texinfo.patch ... * Touching generated files * Touching gcc/cstamp-h.in * Touching gcc/config.in * Touching libjava/aclocal.m4 * Touching libjava/Makefile.in * Touching libjava/configure * Applying gcc-spec-env.patch ... Source unpacked in /var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r1/work Compiling source in /var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r1/work/gcc-4.5.3 ... * CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -pipe * CXXFLAGS=-O2 -march=native -pipe * Configuring gcc ... * We are migrating USE=nocxx to USE=cxx, but your USE settings do not make * sense. Please make sure these two flags line up logically in your setup. * ERROR: sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r1 failed (compile phase): * USE='cxx nocxx' and USE='-cxx -nocxx' make no sense * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 56: Called src_compile * environment, line 4463: Called toolchain_src_compile * environment, line 5158: Called gcc_do_configure * environment, line 2417: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * die USE='cxx nocxx' and USE='-cxx -nocxx' make no sense; * -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO4IMVAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYcBEoIAJMvgDfaMmjs4fsW+JQTUhyG TRvZ9/izNITIhdFR0uA0Qv6bdCUIMl65WlhV7GqKwxanO8CMrtM50uX5KxgzdgS7 6f5o8v/AFGLFAg6MsZjGIGHaovmtlgB0K2qbj1N6GA031Ldj9OWEZj7LeCCm4WsO MaKZ5DCSV5INY8B6aYLeLrW0Ojo3RrwYAzXax5OhxdJ1FhxH6cM51dOg+vxMXrac QBJj7xzU4vs7SrsrMUFQuBEHZEheSYjIYVXRwlYYEL1vTzGOPloaCso8RzGvapGr GVTkad1o4+VbAEpWDA4psktWeeyTUlLRdXkTvUKwfemV/MuMBeBnejEcsC7gNtU= =YEpY -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome 3: GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE is too small.
Am 30.11.2011 13:24, schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: glxinfo -l | grep MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE Hi Michael, GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 1024 is this enough? Kind regards, der Max
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome 3: GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE is too small.
Am 30.11.2011 12:57, schrieb Albert W. Hopkins: On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 10:11 +0100, Maximilian Bräutigam wrote: (2) Mesa is built with gallium and it is enables using eselect. AFAIK intel drivers didn't work (well) with gallium, at least I checked[1]. Anyway you might want to try the classic. Works for me. [1] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=ODE0OQ Wow, it's working. Thanks a lot, Albert! Kind regards, Max
[gentoo-user] Can't build firmware into kernel
I'm being working out with building KDE environment recently. Now I need installing Xorg first. As the The X Server Configuration HOWTO says, if I use radeon card ,then I need emerge radeon-ucode or linux-firmware package. Then I need rebuild my kernel with External firmware blobs . My video card belongs to radeon 4000 series, so I should add radeon/R600_rlc.bin radeon/R700_rlc.bin as it says into External firmware blobs . But when I make, it says that it can't find files that I specific.. Can anyone help?
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On 8 December 2011 06:57, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: I tried Ubuntu, hated this *so* much. I'm sure all the respondents were just trying to be helpful, but they made Ubuntu look like the distro of idiots. How do you say like this? Can you give me an example please? The next time you have a problem with anything related to linux, follow a link to an Ubuntu user forum. Unfortunately, the quality of advice on them tends to be pretty low. :-(
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't build firmware into kernel
2011/12/8 Lavender lavender_mat...@163.com: I'm being working out with building KDE environment recently. Now I need installing Xorg first. As the The X Server Configuration HOWTO says, if I use radeon card ,then I need emerge radeon-ucode or linux-firmware package. Then I need rebuild my kernel with External firmware blobs . My video card belongs to radeon 4000 series, so I should add radeon/R600_rlc.bin radeon/R700_rlc.bin as it says into External firmware blobs . But when I make, it says that it can't find files that I specific.. Can anyone help? I maintain http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Radeon , which should sort you out. If not, please post again I'll update the article to be more helpful.
[gentoo-user] How can I keep baselayout-1?
Hi, I just upgraded gcc and after switching to the new version I want to update system too. But it wants to emerge baselayout-2 as dependency of system: !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy sys-apps/baselayout have !!! been masked. One of the following masked packages is required !!! to complete your request: - sys-apps/baselayout-2.1::gentoo (masked by: package.mask, ~amd64 keyword) /etc/portage/package.mask: - sys-apps/baselayout-2.0.3::gentoo (masked by: package.mask) (dependency required by @system [argument]) I do not want to upgrade to baselayout-2, but I want to re-emerge system. So how can I do it now, when all 1.x versions have been removed from portage? Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I keep baselayout-1?
On 8 December 2011 11:17, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I just upgraded gcc and after switching to the new version I want to update system too. But it wants to emerge baselayout-2 as dependency of system: !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy sys-apps/baselayout have !!! been masked. One of the following masked packages is required !!! to complete your request: - sys-apps/baselayout-2.1::gentoo (masked by: package.mask, ~amd64 keyword) /etc/portage/package.mask: - sys-apps/baselayout-2.0.3::gentoo (masked by: package.mask) (dependency required by @system [argument]) I do not want to upgrade to baselayout-2, but I want to re-emerge system. So how can I do it now, when all 1.x versions have been removed from portage? I think that the standard answer is you can't. I mean, you could fetch an old copy of the ebuild from cvs, and add it to a local overlay, but you'd be completely unsupported (unsupportable?). A better question would be - Why do you want to?
Re: [gentoo-user] recovering plain alsa [WAS:]: no sound on upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 - using pulse audio
Francisco Ares wrote:
Thank you all who replied my last messages.
Now I am back to plain alsa, but no two programs can use it at the
same time. Alsa drivers are built on the kernel, and I have the
following packages installed:
media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.24.1:0
media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa-0.10.35:0.10
media-sound/alsa-utils-1.0.24.2-r1:0.9
The two first ones were puled by emerging alsa-utils.
I have lost /etc/asound.conf, and I guess this is the key. Looking
to which package it belongs to, equery found none. I have put a
quite simple version (as explained here:
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/ALSA#Default_Sound_Device)
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/ALSA#Default_Sound_Device%29::
pcm.!default { type hw card Intel }
ctl.!default { type hw card Intel }
Any hints on how can I get all programs to mix up as before?
Thanks again
Francisco
--
If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then
you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and
I have one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have
two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw
I build my audio drivers into my kernel. I also have these alsa related
packages installed:
root@fireball / # equery list *alsa*
* Searching for *alsa* ...
[IP-] [ ] media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.24.1:0
[IP-] [ ] media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa-0.10.35:0.10
[IP-] [ ] media-sound/alsa-headers-1.0.24:0
[IP-] [ ] media-sound/alsa-utils-1.0.24.2-r1:0.9
[IP-] [ ] media-sound/alsamixergui-0.9.0.1.2-r4:0
root@fireball / #
See if yours looks something like this. I can watch videos and other
programs play sound at the same time.
Dale
:-) :-)
--
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how
you interpreted my words!
Miss the compile output? Hint:
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re:Re: [gentoo-user] Can't build firmware into kernel
I maintain http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Radeon , which should sort you out. If not, please post again I'll update the article to be more helpful. I'm sorry, cause the policy of Internet in my country, I can't open the webpage.Could you send it to me or use other methods?
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I keep baselayout-1?
James Broadhead writes: On 8 December 2011 11:17, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: I just upgraded gcc and after switching to the new version I want to update system too. But it wants to emerge baselayout-2 as dependency of system: !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy sys-apps/baselayout have !!! been masked. One of the following masked packages is required !!! to complete your request: - sys-apps/baselayout-2.1::gentoo (masked by: package.mask, ~amd64 keyword) /etc/portage/package.mask: - sys-apps/baselayout-2.0.3::gentoo (masked by: package.mask) (dependency required by @system [argument]) I do not want to upgrade to baselayout-2, but I want to re-emerge system. So how can I do it now, when all 1.x versions have been removed from portage? I think that the standard answer is you can't. I mean, you could fetch an old copy of the ebuild from cvs, and add it to a local overlay, but you'd be completely unsupported (unsupportable?). The ebuilds of currently installed packages can also be found as /var/db/pkg/category/package/package.ebuild. They are masked now, but when putting the packages in /etc/portage/package.unmask it should be possible to install them again. A better question would be - Why do you want to? Probably in order to deal with potential migration problems later, and not risking to harm a system that is currently running fine. The migration should be a smooth one, but some manual changes have to be made, and the syntax in /etc/conf.d/net has changed. But I'd just wait with the system update, and make the switch when I have some time. Wonko
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] Can't build firmware into kernel
2011/12/8 Lavender lavender_mat...@163.com: I maintain http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Radeon , which should sort you out. If not, please post again I'll update the article to be more helpful. I'm sorry, cause the policy of Internet in my country, I can't open the webpage. Could you send it to me or use other methods? Please see my off-list reply.
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:58 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: The next time you have a problem with anything related to linux, follow a link to an Ubuntu user forum. Unfortunately, the quality of advice on them tends to be pretty low. :-( Really?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On 7 December 2011 15:58, Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-12-07, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 6 December 2011, at 23:25, Grant Edwards wrote: ... The Ubuntu documentation seems to be mainly user-forum threads full of wrong answers posted by people who didn't understand the question. I tried Ubuntu, hated this *so* much. I'm sure all the respondents were just trying to be helpful, but they made Ubuntu look like the distro of idiots. Ubuntu is intended to be usable by people ignorant of how Linux/Unix works. As such, it does tend to get used by people who are ignorant of how Linux/Unix works. Asking such a group for technical help is an express-train to frustration -- but there doesn't really seem to be anywhere you can ask questions of Ubuntu users who _do_ understand things. This actually expresses it quite well - because they dropped the barrier to entry, they end up with a much wider audience, but one which doesn't obsess over learning how their system operates as much as other distros. Additionally, Ubuntu suffers from the devs attempts to include the newest versions of packages as stable before the majority of distros think that they are ready[1], while trying to maintain wide 'it just works' compatibility. They also tend towards over-engineering around problems in linux / apt, rather than solving the root problem, or relying on their users to adapt or deal with it themselves.[2] Especially in the past, they have allowed their political views on Open Source / Free Software to interfere with the best user experience[3]. [1] Pulseaudio, KDE4 (others, I'm sure) [2] The grub2 config process in Ubuntu is torturous, and includes editing a file in /etc/defaults of all things. [3] The whole concept of 'restricted extras' is detrimental to distro usability, as is having a separate package-manager-frontend for installing them, as is a separate repository which is disabled by default.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:10 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Especially in the past, they have allowed their political views on Open Source / Free Software to interfere with the best user experience[3]. [3] The whole concept of 'restricted extras' is detrimental to distro usability, as is having a separate package-manager-frontend for installing them, as is a separate repository which is disabled by default. I'm not a fan of Ubuntu, but that really didn't start with them. *Debian* has it in a far worse way. As an example, say you're in my position and want Squid running as a website accelerator, and you want SSL support. Squid can do this. Except the binary packages Debian builds have SSL disabled because of fears of incompatible licenses between Squid and OpenSSL. -- :wq
Re: Re: [gentoo-user] recovering plain alsa [WAS:]: no sound on upgraded Firefox from 7 to 8 - using
On , Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Francisco Ares wrote:
Thank you all who replied my last messages.
Now I am back to plain alsa, but no two programs can use it at the same
time. Alsa drivers are built on the kernel, and I have the following
packages installed:
media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.24.1:0
media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa-0.10.35:0.10
media-sound/alsa-utils-1.0.24.2-r1:0.9
The two first ones were puled by emerging alsa-utils.
I have lost /etc/asound.conf, and I guess this is the key. Looking to
which package it belongs to, equery found none. I have put a quite
simple version (as explained here:
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/ALSA#Default_Sound_Device)
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/ALSA#Default_Sound_Device%29::
pcm.!default { type hw card Intel }
ctl.!default { type hw card Intel }
Any hints on how can I get all programs to mix up as before?
Thanks again
Francisco
--
If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have
one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two
ideas. - George Bernard Shaw
I build my audio drivers into my kernel. I also have these alsa related
packages installed:
root@fireball / # equery list *alsa*
* Searching for *alsa* ...
[IP-] [ ] media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.24.1:0
[IP-] [ ] media-plugins/gst-plugins-alsa-0.10.35:0.10
[IP-] [ ] media-sound/alsa-headers-1.0.24:0
[IP-] [ ] media-sound/alsa-utils-1.0.24.2-r1:0.9
[IP-] [ ] media-sound/alsamixergui-0.9.0.1.2-r4:0
root@fireball / #
See if yours looks something like this. I can watch videos and other
programs play sound at the same time.
Dale
:-) :-)
--
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
how you interpreted my words!
Miss the compile output? Hint:
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
In another machine I have at the office, sound works great without ever
having pulse installed. And there is no /etc/asoud.whatever
I will recompile the kernel to remove a loop device that is going default
every time.
Will post the results.
Thanks
Francisco
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 08:55:48 -0500 LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:58 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: The next time you have a problem with anything related to linux, follow a link to an Ubuntu user forum. Unfortunately, the quality of advice on them tends to be pretty low. :-( Really? Don't take our word for it, go look for yourself. I could give you examples of how that forum works, I could give you links that show what we are saying, but NOTHING can prepare you for what you really find on the Ubuntu user forums. Like I said, just go there and have a look for yourself. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, 8 Dec 2011 01:55:20 -0500 LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Claudio Roberto França Pereira spide...@gmail.com wrote: Going back to Ubuntu bashing, I think that the multiple versions, multiple repositories, multiple software choices (gnome 2, then unity, for example, hal then no hal) get in the way of the newbie user. Gentoo solves that by making the user understand what he's doing, how he's system works. But at least the user should be know what he is going to do in the only way possible - CLI! That's not a workable approach in the big wide world out there. It's simplistic taken to the point of extreme. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On 8 December 2011 14:25, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:10 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: Especially in the past, they have allowed their political views on Open Source / Free Software to interfere with the best user experience[3]. [3] The whole concept of 'restricted extras' is detrimental to distro usability, as is having a separate package-manager-frontend for installing them, as is a separate repository which is disabled by default. I'm not a fan of Ubuntu, but that really didn't start with them. *Debian* has it in a far worse way. As an example, say you're in my position and want Squid running as a website accelerator, and you want SSL support. Squid can do this. Except the binary packages Debian builds have SSL disabled because of fears of incompatible licenses between Squid and OpenSSL. Especially in the past _means_ 'back when they were closer to being Debian'. Things have improved over the years, but it's still difficult to get a codec-heavy mplayer in Ubuntu without building it manually for example.
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I keep baselayout-1?
On 08-Dec-11 12:26, James Broadhead wrote: I do not want to upgrade to baselayout-2, but I want to re-emerge system. So how can I do it now, when all 1.x versions have been removed from portage? I think that the standard answer is you can't. I mean, you could fetch an old copy of the ebuild from cvs, and add it to a local overlay, but you'd be completely unsupported (unsupportable?). A better question would be - Why do you want to? This server is ~50 miles away, and if I screw something and it does not boot up, I will have to go there and fix it on place. One small typo in ~50 config-files which must be updated is just enough to cause it... Anyway I'm surprised that everything older than 2.0.3 has been simply thrown overboard, especially while it worked for us without a problem for many years... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDEPIM-4.7.3 hits the stable tree ... brrrrr!
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 06:47:22AM +, Mick wrote: Following Alan's disastrous experience where he saw all his messages disappear before his eyes I am doubly cautious. Has anyone tried the migration to 4.7 yet? I installed my first 4.7.x kdepim on 30th of July. I was quite happy with it. Migration went smooth and I only had to recreate my filters, I guess because the filters’ target folders were now addressed differently. kdepimlibs-4.7.3 came on 4th of november. The only thing I remember from the last weeks is that I was unable to read any mail. All I got in KMail were revolving cirlces and “Fetching folder content” screens. I didn’t lose any mail, as far as I can tell. But I was growing tired of Akondi even before that. So being unable to read anything finally pushed me to mutt. ^^ Oh dear! I better get prepared for learning all the mutt shortcuts then? Hihi, well there are tons of alternatives. Despite my keeping distance from GTK for general use (except for the obvious, such as Gimp and Inkscape), Thunderbird is very good (which I used before I switched to Linux). Its handling of data was very stable and efficient, last time I used it. I still have it installed in my old Windows and keep it up to date. I don’t have _that_ many mails, at the time of my switching about 13000 or so, mostly in a few mailing lists. The average dev probably has much more than that. But even with that number, I had more than 30 seconds of additional full HDD load after login (once I removed the mail resources, login time until idle went from 1:05 to ~33 seconds). What?!! Each time you load the desktop/start kmail?! This can't be right! Well, starting KMail is quite quick. But so it was before Akonadi times, because KMail used the storage layer natively. Plus, all mail files were individually duplicated in the Akonadi folder... what gives? While I understand the reasoning behind Akonadi and its potential, I do question the implementation. I can't even understand the reasoning! Enforcing a database backend on a desktop use case should not be the default solution for a PIM. Well when it eventually works as imagined it’s quite nice, I guess. A database “cache” usually is meant to increase access speed, but they’re not quite there yet. The benefit is that you can access the same information from one single data source (like all your mails) from several applications, such as KMail, or a plasmoid, or... uhm... well those two. ^^ (how about a web service, or integration into other PIM apps) rumble To me it seems we Gentooians don’t care much about social sharing, semantic desktops or data associations. We know where our files are and what they contain, we want to control ourselves where our personal information is stored. We want efficient environments that do what we want, not what the devs imagine is the future of the desktop. :D /rumble Hehe, that sounds like a political manifesto. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. 55% of all oaks are deciduous trees -- still! pgpnVFS1gMpnJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I keep baselayout-1?
On 8 December 2011 14:41, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 08-Dec-11 12:26, James Broadhead wrote: I do not want to upgrade to baselayout-2, but I want to re-emerge system. So how can I do it now, when all 1.x versions have been removed from portage? I think that the standard answer is you can't. I mean, you could fetch an old copy of the ebuild from cvs, and add it to a local overlay, but you'd be completely unsupported (unsupportable?). A better question would be - Why do you want to? This server is ~50 miles away, and if I screw something and it does not boot up, I will have to go there and fix it on place. One small typo in ~50 config-files which must be updated is just enough to cause it... Anyway I'm surprised that everything older than 2.0.3 has been simply thrown overboard, especially while it worked for us without a problem for many years... Personally, I quite like baselayout-2, and had a smooth time upgrading my 3 boxes - two in advance of stabilisation and one which did the baselayout upgrade as part of a normal upgrade. I only noticed when the latter asked me to merge the config files :P I suppose that your options for packages which depend back to baselayout are to hack their various config files / init scripts to make them baselayout-1 compatible, or to avoid upgrading them. You could clone your current install into a new /root, upgrade and set grub to boot into /root one time only, then to fall back to /bakroot. Slightly outside my expertise, but grub can be told to boot one option by default just once, and then to return to a different default subsequently. Good luck!
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I keep baselayout-1?
On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:41:38 +0100 Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: On 08-Dec-11 12:26, James Broadhead wrote: I do not want to upgrade to baselayout-2, but I want to re-emerge system. So how can I do it now, when all 1.x versions have been removed from portage? I think that the standard answer is you can't. I mean, you could fetch an old copy of the ebuild from cvs, and add it to a local overlay, but you'd be completely unsupported (unsupportable?). A better question would be - Why do you want to? This server is ~50 miles away, and if I screw something and it does not boot up, I will have to go there and fix it on place. One small typo in ~50 config-files which must be updated is just enough to cause it... Anyway I'm surprised that everything older than 2.0.3 has been simply thrown overboard, especially while it worked for us without a problem for many years... KDE-2 and even KDE-3 also worked just fine for many years. Those are not in the tree either. baselayout and openrc changes over the past year were not done on a whim, it has been leading up to this for about 3 years if not more. The external apparancy is that the old versions worked and everything was just fine. But the actual problems with it were many, here's a few: 1. too many things in baselayout had legacy problems attached, files in odd places, file that were inconsistent with everything else 2. it had a hard dependancy on bash, which is a rather bad thing, it means you have to have bash installed on anything using Gentoo. What if your platform did not support bash, or didn't support it well? 3. the init system itself was creaking and groaning a lot and becoming a maintenance burden Things do change over time, bits do rot, and periodically legacy shit needs to be turfed. People resist change for very little good reason (as you are currently doing) and prefer to only think of their own little space and not the big picture. This is what happened with baselayout. All reasonable prior steps that techies like to have done with migrations were done, there was more than adequate notice, and all discussions were out in the open. Really, the presence of baselayout-2 is good and the absence of baselayout-1 is better. You haven't been left out in the cold with no way forward. You were given notice, you chose to not act on it, so the maintenance burden shifts to you. This is the general contract between gentoos devs and users. Portage gives you all the tools you need to maintain your systems at current levels, so you CAN keep it as-is until your next maintenence windows on that server 50 miles away when you intend being in the room. Some recent decisions in gentoo-land about what to deprecate and when have indeed been questionable, but in all honesty baselayout is not one of them. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Don't take our word for it, go look for yourself. I could give you examples of how that forum works, I could give you links that show what we are saying, but NOTHING can prepare you for what you really find on the Ubuntu user forums. Okay but at least Ubuntu is good for new users and Windows convert and for those doesn't it give a learning curve in Linux?
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On 8 December 2011 15:10, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Don't take our word for it, go look for yourself. I could give you examples of how that forum works, I could give you links that show what we are saying, but NOTHING can prepare you for what you really find on the Ubuntu user forums. Okay but at least Ubuntu is good for new users and Windows convert and for those doesn't it give a learning curve in Linux? That's debatable; it generally means that the amount of time that passes before they realise that Linux is not Windows is increased. It definitely gets them booted into a desktop environment quicker, but it doesn't really save on the learning curve - something will go awry sooner or later, and the fact that they've had the command-line hidden from them until that first fateful trip to the forums won't feel like such a benefit then.
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I keep baselayout-1?
On Thu, 2011-12-08 at 15:41 +0100, Jarry wrote: Anyway I'm surprised that everything older than 2.0.3 has been simply thrown overboard, especially while it worked for us without a problem for many years... With all due respect, baselayout-2/openrc has been around for a while too (I've been using it for at least 3 years) and has been deemed stable enough to move to the stable trees. And version 2 has been in stable for quite some time. You can't blame the volunteer developers for not wanting to have to support 2 versions of the software indefinitely.
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I keep baselayout-1?
On 12/08/2011 09:41 AM, Jarry wrote: This server is ~50 miles away, and if I screw something and it does not boot up, I will have to go there and fix it on place. That's it? If you drive really awesome you can be there in half an hour!
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:18 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: That's debatable; it generally means that the amount of time that passes before they realise that Linux is not Windows is increased. It definitely gets them booted into a desktop environment quicker, but it doesn't really save on the learning curve - something will go awry sooner or later, and the fact that they've had the command-line hidden from them until that first fateful trip to the forums won't feel like such a benefit then. Ok, I agree with you but I have just installed since I had to Linux experience but everything is working like a charm. I don't know if any problem would come.
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:35 AM, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: That's debatable; it generally means that the amount of time that passes before they realise that Linux is not Windows is increased. It definitely gets them booted into a desktop environment quicker, but it doesn't really save on the learning curve - something will go awry sooner or later, and the fact that they've had the command-line hidden from them until that first fateful trip to the forums won't feel like such a benefit then. Ok, I agree with you but I have just installed since I had to Linux experience but everything is working like a charm. I don't know if any problem would come. I mean i have no Linux experience and everything is working like a charm in Ubuntu and yes you are correct to say that command line is hidden which is the real gem in linux. I agree with you in this regard. But I guess (not sure) if Ubuntu would give me the Linux learning environment?
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:18 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 December 2011 15:10, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Don't take our word for it, go look for yourself. I could give you examples of how that forum works, I could give you links that show what we are saying, but NOTHING can prepare you for what you really find on the Ubuntu user forums. Okay but at least Ubuntu is good for new users and Windows convert and for those doesn't it give a learning curve in Linux? That's debatable; it generally means that the amount of time that passes before they realise that Linux is not Windows is increased. It definitely gets them booted into a desktop environment quicker, but it doesn't really save on the learning curve - something will go awry sooner or later, and the fact that they've had the command-line hidden from them until that first fateful trip to the forums won't feel like such a benefit then. I got started with Linux via Red Hat 5.2. (Pre-Fedora, pre-RHEL days). I used it for only a few days before switching to Debian. If I hadn't seen Red Hat's relatively automagic setup of X, and the availability of all the tools to do things I wanted using a GUI interface, I probably would have hopped back to Windows 95. As it was, seeing that GUI and knowing that a familiar interface was what left me willing to deal with the couple weeks it took me to learn how to set up XFree86 3.3.6 on Debian.[1] Fortunately, just about every Linux distro, including Gentoo, has much better resource for getting a GUI up and running, so a modern newbie experience shouldn't be nearly so taxing on initial patience. Sure, being able to learn a system inside and out is a good thing, but you need to get past that initial hurdle before you're ready to tackle it, and Ubuntu handles that initial hurdle quite well. Give a user six months to a year, and they'll grow tired of Ubuntu constantly breaking their customizations, and they'll probably switch to Debian or Linux Mint. I've watched that leap several times now. A few of them eventually leave Debian or Mint for Gentoo. Some land on Fedora or OpenSuSE, but they're usually heavily working with RHEL or CentOS in other contexts. [1] Luckily, I wasn't even an adolescent yet; I don't think I'd have had the time or patience for that as an adult. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:36 AM, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:35 AM, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: That's debatable; it generally means that the amount of time that passes before they realise that Linux is not Windows is increased. It definitely gets them booted into a desktop environment quicker, but it doesn't really save on the learning curve - something will go awry sooner or later, and the fact that they've had the command-line hidden from them until that first fateful trip to the forums won't feel like such a benefit then. Ok, I agree with you but I have just installed since I had to Linux experience but everything is working like a charm. I don't know if any problem would come. I mean i have no Linux experience and everything is working like a charm in Ubuntu and yes you are correct to say that command line is hidden which is the real gem in linux. I agree with you in this regard. But I guess (not sure) if Ubuntu would give me the Linux learning environment? As long as we're talking about *you*, and not about someone you're setting things up for, here's what I'd suggest: 1) Keep your existing Ubuntu setup operational, at least for a while. Gentoo isn't something you should dive into unless you have a fallback, at least until you learn enough to be able to fix the things you'll encounter. 2) Set up Gentoo as a second machine; it really is a great way to learn how a lot of the moving parts in Linux work. Once you've got Gentoo doing everything you want it to do, and you've burned yourself a couple times, you'll be in a good position to make a decision for yourself. I've actually bounced back and forth between Ubuntu and Gentoo twice in the last three or four years, but I think I'm finally ready to go steady with Gentoo. :) Ubuntu is great for it just works. Ubuntu isn't so great for it just keeps working. Neither is Gentoo, for that matter, but, at least with Gentoo, you'll know how to fix it. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I keep baselayout-1?
On Dec 8, 2011 9:46 PM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: This server is ~50 miles away, and if I screw something and it does not boot up, I will have to go there and fix it on place. One small typo in ~50 config-files which must be updated is just enough to cause it... That's why I no longer deploy baremetal servers these days. Always as a VM on top of a hypervisor, with a small VM dedicated as an SSH tunnel. If I mess up, I can use the hypervisor management tool to reboot the VM, or open a console session, or even revert to a known good state. Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: As long as we're talking about *you*, and not about someone you're setting things up for, here's what I'd suggest: 1) Keep your existing Ubuntu setup operational, at least for a while. Gentoo isn't something you should dive into unless you have a fallback, at least until you learn enough to be able to fix the things you'll encounter. 2) Set up Gentoo as a second machine; it really is a great way to learn how a lot of the moving parts in Linux work. Once you've got Gentoo doing everything you want it to do, and you've burned yourself a couple times, you'll be in a good position to make a decision for yourself. I've actually bounced back and forth between Ubuntu and Gentoo twice in the last three or four years, but I think I'm finally ready to go steady with Gentoo. :) Ubuntu is great for it just works. Ubuntu isn't so great for it just keeps working. Neither is Gentoo, for that matter, but, at least with Gentoo, you'll know how to fix it. Ah, thanks for the nice suggestions, I would keep a note of it. I would install in one old machine, I mean I would try to install Gentoo after going through the docs..(of course, required in Gentoo). But one more request can you also suggest about openSUSE? Is openSUSE lies in the middle between Ubuntu and Gentoo?
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
2011/12/8 LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Don't take our word for it, go look for yourself. I could give you examples of how that forum works, I could give you links that show what we are saying, but NOTHING can prepare you for what you really find on the Ubuntu user forums. Okay but at least Ubuntu is good for new users and Windows convert and for those doesn't it give a learning curve in Linux? Well, maybe my experience will be useful to you. Ubuntu was my introduction to linux. First, I'll start by saying that before linux I didn't know absolutely nothing about computers and the like. I had my first desktop pc at home (windows xp) when I was 15 or 16 years old. Before that, only my father owned a pc, for his work, and I was not allowed to use it. My high school was centered around humanities/classical studies: ancient greek, latin, philosophy; after high school, I managed to get into med school. So, no computer science/informatics at all. However, I was really curios about computers, and I messed up my family's desktop pc a couple of times :) At 19, I was given a laptop, only for me (windows vista, if I remember correctly). I decided to install linux on it, and I chose Ubuntu because it was the distro of wich I heard about the most. After some months, I decided to move away from ubuntu because I felt it was too limited - I wanted to learn. In the following two years I tried other distros, but at last I felt that only two were apt to me: Gentoo and Arch Linux. Of these two, I tend to prefer Gentoo. What's the point in this story: I started as a computer illiterate. I think that, had I chosen Gentoo (or Arch, or Slackware) as my first distro, probably I would have given up with linux. I could never get started so abruptly with the terminal, CLI etc. I needed a gradual introduction, to get familiar with filesystems, directory hierarchy, basilar command line usage etc. Ubuntu, at the time, provided this. Just remember that *probably* you won't learn much by using Ubuntu. If you want to learn, when you're ready, you will have to move on. You learn more after an attempt to install Gentoo than in one year of plain Ubuntu usage :) At least, that is my real life experience and my opinion. I'm just one user; on this ML there are really knowledgeable users, so you should listen to them[1]. [1] BTW, I just want to say that I really love this ML. Thanks guys. Hope this helps, Lorenzo -- Nothing is interesting if you're not interested.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDEPIM-4.7.3 hits the stable tree ... brrrrr!
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:11 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Thankfully eselect news spells it out and this link makes me thing twice about my next steps: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDEPIM-4.7_upgrade Following Alan's disastrous experience where he saw all his messages disappear before his eyes I am doubly cautious. Has anyone tried the migration to 4.7 yet? Only to make things slightly more complicated ... has anyone tried it who's been using sqlite3 like I do, instead of the recommended MySQL? Any gotchas other than backups of everything recommended in the news article? Hi, In the KDEPIM full stack, I use only Kopete. Today I upgraded both kdepimlibs and kopete to 4.7.3. After the upgrading, Kwallet did not work properly (it displayed a totally blank window without any wallets). I started Kopete and immediately I encountered the error message: kopete(xxx) couldn't create slave: Unknown protocol 'file' Of course Kopete did not work with Kwallet, so I had to type my password manually. After typing the password, nothing happened in the Kopete window, and the error message I got from the terminal was kopete(xxx) couldn't create slave: Unknown protocol 'https' At first I thought there are some broken packages, but revdep-rebuild didn't help. I rebuilt kdepimlibs, Kwallet, and Kopete manually with emerge, didn't help either. I read the news (from eselect) again, found the wiki page, followed the direction althought I didn't use KMail or any other piece of software from the KDEPIM stack, it didn't work either. Eventually, I masked the packages (mentioned in the news) and downgraded kdepimlibs and Kopete to 4.6.3, and everything worked again! Just to share my short story today. And I think KDEPIM should *not* be marked as stable at the moment. Kindest regards, Dương Yang -- Dương Yang ヤン Hà Nguyễn (Nguyễn Hà Dương in Vietnamese, 「グエンヤン」 in Japanese) Web log: http://cmpitg.wordpress.com/ Life is a hack -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GIT/C/ED/L d++ s-:-(:) !a C+++() ULU$ P-- L+++$ E+++ W+ N+ o+ K w--- O- M@ V- PS+ PE++ Y+++ PGP++ t+ 5 X+ R- tv+ b+++ DI+++ D++ G+++ e* h* r* y- -END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Lorenzo Bandieri lorenzo.bandi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, maybe my experience will be useful to you. Ubuntu was my introduction to linux. First, I'll start by saying that before linux I didn't know absolutely nothing about computers and the like. I had my first desktop pc at home (windows xp) when I was 15 or 16 years old. Before that, only my father owned a pc, for his work, and I was not allowed to use it. My high school was centered around humanities/classical studies: ancient greek, latin, philosophy; after high school, I managed to get into med school. So, no computer science/informatics at all. However, I was really curios about computers, and I messed up my family's desktop pc a couple of times :) At 19, I was given a laptop, only for me (windows vista, if I remember correctly). I decided to install linux on it, and I chose Ubuntu because it was the distro of wich I heard about the most. After some months, I decided to move away from ubuntu because I felt it was too limited - I wanted to learn. In the following two years I tried other distros, but at last I felt that only two were apt to me: Gentoo and Arch Linux. Of these two, I tend to prefer Gentoo. That's really nice to know. What's the point in this story: I started as a computer illiterate. I think that, had I chosen Gentoo (or Arch, or Slackware) as my first distro, probably I would have given up with linux. I could never get started so abruptly with the terminal, CLI etc. I needed a gradual introduction, to get familiar with filesystems, directory hierarchy, basilar command line usage etc. Ubuntu, at the time, provided this. Just remember that *probably* you won't learn much by using Ubuntu. If you want to learn, when you're ready, you will have to move on. You learn more after an attempt to install Gentoo than in one year of plain Ubuntu usage :) At least, that is my real life experience and my opinion. I'm just one user; on this ML there are really knowledgeable users, so you should listen to them[1]. [1] BTW, I just want to say that I really love this ML. Thanks guys. Yeahs thanks and your story really gives nice things to remember. I would definitely try now Gentoo and since it is an advanced version of Linux usage, so people here are, of course, having more knowledge and more mature, including you. When you say 'You learn more after an attempt to install Gentoo than in one year of plain Ubuntu usage :)', this line is really good to know. If this is true, I guess after some initial learning I would step towards Gentoo, I bet. But since Gentoo was not in top 5 at distrowatch.org so that also (earlier) made me thought that Ubuntu or openSUSE are more matured Linux distributions but I forgot that the rating I saw was of popularity and not of more advanced or the one giving more learning curvature. Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: Whaddayatawkinbout, gentoo is more than great, it's awesome! Gentoo isn't intended for beginners, and makes no claims about user friendliness of which I'm aware. Generally speaking, making things user friendly entails adding more layers of abstraction. It's nice for those who don't want to study to learn how to use their computer, but it's not going to give the best performance. Security is also frequently impacted to some degree. I just want to say that I love Gentoo Linux, have used it as my primary OS for years on multiple computers and can't stand to use anything else. I like having total control over everything. I truly enjoy it, the Gentoo Way just feels like the right way in general to me. That is my subjective opinion. But I also want to say that just because you're forced to do things yourself doesn't mean that makes them inherently better-performing or secure. :) One can just as easily screw up their CFLAGS and a have terrible security setup, especially a beginner. This list's archives are full of such stories... I say install a binary distro to get your feet wet with Linux. Understand the basic concepts of how the system works, using a shell, editing config files, etc. Once that's not a 100% foreign experience to you, then go and install Gentoo using the great docs, wikis, forums, mailing lists and IRC as your guide, and we can be your hand-holding friends along the way. I would also suggest using a virtual machine for your first installations. It will make it a lot less scary. You messed up partitioning? No problem, you didn't just destroy your Windows installation or your life-long collection of digital photos (that you probably never got around to making a backup of). As a newbie to Linux, comparing distros is usually equivalent to comparing the default desktop environment, wallpaper and color scheme. They don't know enough to care about bootloader, filesystem layout, LVM, package manager, or whatever holy wars linux distros are having these days. :) A beginner can certainly follow along the Gentoo install docs, but I think it takes a certain kind of person to tolerate it... Blindly copy-pasting commands that they don't understand isn't necessarily going to teach them anything. Not any more than blindly copy-pasting example code from a programming textbook makes you a programmer... Having at least some basic understand of the commands you're typing in will greatly enhance the experience, in my opinion. Good luck to the OP, whatever he chooses. Welcome to the dark side. :)
[gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On 2011-12-08, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:58 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: The next time you have a problem with anything related to linux, follow a link to an Ubuntu user forum. Unfortunately, the quality of advice on them tends to be pretty low. :-( Really? Yes, really. When searching for answers to Ubuntu questions, I've learned to ignore the user forum. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I own seven-eighths of at all the artists in downtown gmail.comBurbank!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
Grant Edwards wrote: On 2011-12-08, LinuxIsOnelinuxis...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:58 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: The next time you have a problem with anything related to linux, follow a link to an Ubuntu user forum. Unfortunately, the quality of advice on them tends to be pretty low. :-( Really? Yes, really. When searching for answers to Ubuntu questions, I've learned to ignore the user forum. I learned to ask here. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome 3: GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE is too small.
Hi, Am Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2011, 10:30:14 schrieb Maximilian Bräutigam: Am 30.11.2011 13:24, schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: glxinfo -l | grep MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE Hi Michael, GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 1024 is this enough? don't think so. Afaik gnome-shell composes the desktop into a large texture. If your screen resolution exceeds 1024 in width or height (I assume it does), the screen does not fit into the maximum texture available on your hardware. Kind regards, der Max Best, Michael
[gentoo-user] Gentoo location for squirrelmail attachments
I ran squirrelmail/configtest.php and realized I don't have an attachment directory set up for Squirrelmail: ERROR: Attachment dir (/var/local/squirrelmail/attach/) does not exist! I don't even have a /var/local/. Would a good Gentoo'er create the directory in that location? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo location for squirrelmail attachments
On 8 December 2011, at 19:17, Grant wrote: I ran squirrelmail/configtest.php and realized I don't have an attachment directory set up for Squirrelmail: ERROR: Attachment dir (/var/local/squirrelmail/attach/) does not exist! I don't even have a /var/local/. Would a good Gentoo'er create the directory in that location? Is this a new installation of Squirrelmail or an existing one? When you install Squirrelmail you're supposed to (last time I did so, which is admittedly a long time ago) run a setup program (it uses curses / text-menus). That asks what kind of IMAP server you're going to be connecting to (it works with all of them, but optimises itself for different ones), and the naming convention for Trash / Deleted Items, Drafts c on your server. I would have thought paths like this would be configured during this setup stage. I'm pretty sure it's safe to rerun this setup program at any time. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDEPIM-4.7.3 hits the stable tree ... brrrrr!
On Thursday 08 Dec 2011 14:51:52 Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 06:47:22AM +, Mick wrote: Following Alan's disastrous experience where he saw all his messages disappear before his eyes I am doubly cautious. Has anyone tried the migration to 4.7 yet? I installed my first 4.7.x kdepim on 30th of July. I was quite happy with it. Migration went smooth and I only had to recreate my filters, I guess because the filters’ target folders were now addressed differently. kdepimlibs-4.7.3 came on 4th of november. The only thing I remember from the last weeks is that I was unable to read any mail. All I got in KMail were revolving cirlces and “Fetching folder content” screens. I didn’t lose any mail, as far as I can tell. But I was growing tired of Akondi even before that. So being unable to read anything finally pushed me to mutt. ^^ Oh dear! I better get prepared for learning all the mutt shortcuts then? Hihi, well there are tons of alternatives. Despite my keeping distance from GTK for general use (except for the obvious, such as Gimp and Inkscape), Thunderbird is very good (which I used before I switched to Linux). Its handling of data was very stable and efficient, last time I used it. I still have it installed in my old Windows and keep it up to date. I don’t have _that_ many mails, at the time of my switching about 13000 or so, mostly in a few mailing lists. The average dev probably has much more than that. But even with that number, I had more than 30 seconds of additional full HDD load after login (once I removed the mail resources, login time until idle went from 1:05 to ~33 seconds). What?!! Each time you load the desktop/start kmail?! This can't be right! Well, starting KMail is quite quick. But so it was before Akonadi times, because KMail used the storage layer natively. Plus, all mail files were individually duplicated in the Akonadi folder... what gives? While I understand the reasoning behind Akonadi and its potential, I do question the implementation. I can't even understand the reasoning! Enforcing a database backend on a desktop use case should not be the default solution for a PIM. Well when it eventually works as imagined it’s quite nice, I guess. A database “cache” usually is meant to increase access speed, but they’re not quite there yet. The benefit is that you can access the same information from one single data source (like all your mails) from several applications, such as KMail, or a plasmoid, or... uhm... well those two. ^^ (how about a web service, or integration into other PIM apps) rumble To me it seems we Gentooians don’t care much about social sharing, semantic desktops or data associations. We know where our files are and what they contain, we want to control ourselves where our personal information is stored. We want efficient environments that do what we want, not what the devs imagine is the future of the desktop. :D /rumble Hehe, that sounds like a political manifesto. I don't care if it is - I would definitely vote for it! :p -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thursday 08 Dec 2011 16:11:56 LinuxIsOne wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: As long as we're talking about *you*, and not about someone you're setting things up for, here's what I'd suggest: 1) Keep your existing Ubuntu setup operational, at least for a while. Gentoo isn't something you should dive into unless you have a fallback, at least until you learn enough to be able to fix the things you'll encounter. 2) Set up Gentoo as a second machine; it really is a great way to learn how a lot of the moving parts in Linux work. Once you've got Gentoo doing everything you want it to do, and you've burned yourself a couple times, you'll be in a good position to make a decision for yourself. I've actually bounced back and forth between Ubuntu and Gentoo twice in the last three or four years, but I think I'm finally ready to go steady with Gentoo. :) Ubuntu is great for it just works. Ubuntu isn't so great for it just keeps working. Neither is Gentoo, for that matter, but, at least with Gentoo, you'll know how to fix it. Ah, thanks for the nice suggestions, I would keep a note of it. I would install in one old machine, I mean I would try to install Gentoo after going through the docs..(of course, required in Gentoo). But one more request can you also suggest about openSUSE? Is openSUSE lies in the middle between Ubuntu and Gentoo? OpenSUSE is not that different from Ubuntu, but is a long way from Gentoo. There is no way to meaningfully compare *Ubuntu and OpenSUSE, because it depends what suits your taste and preferences. You can install both, run them for a few weeks and see which you feel more comfortable with. Last time I installed OpenSUSE (some years ago) I had to reinstall it when time came to upgrade to the latest version. With Ubuntu the upgrade path was pretty seamless. The Ubuntu devs had it all scripted out via the update manager. So, Ubuntu is I think easier to look after and keep upgrading than OpenSUSE was back then. Not sure how things have evolved since then in the OpenSUSE world. CentOS was no better than OpenSUSE in this regard. So, for a newcomer to Linux I would recommend *Ubuntu. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 08:09:34PM +, Mick wrote: Ubuntu is great for it just works. Ubuntu isn't so great for it just keeps working. Neither is Gentoo, for that matter, but, at least with Gentoo, you'll know how to fix it. Ah, thanks for the nice suggestions, I would keep a note of it. I would install in one old machine, I mean I would try to install Gentoo after going through the docs..(of course, required in Gentoo). But one more request can you also suggest about openSUSE? Is openSUSE lies in the middle between Ubuntu and Gentoo? OpenSUSE is not that different from Ubuntu, but is a long way from Gentoo. There is no way to meaningfully compare *Ubuntu and OpenSUSE, because it depends what suits your taste and preferences. You can install both, run them for a few weeks and see which you feel more comfortable with. Last time I installed OpenSUSE (some years ago) I had to reinstall it when time came to upgrade to the latest version. With Ubuntu the upgrade path was pretty seamless. The Ubuntu devs had it all scripted out via the update manager. So, Ubuntu is I think easier to look after and keep upgrading than OpenSUSE was back then. Not sure how things have evolved since then in the OpenSUSE world. CentOS was no better than OpenSUSE in this regard. So, for a newcomer to Linux I would recommend *Ubuntu. I did this in the past. But recently I’m reassessing this, with Ubuntu changing the default look and the way it works with every other release (remember the hassle about window buttons to the left by default?). I can’t really explain -- let alone justify -- to a newbie, who had to adapt from Win to Ubuntu that he has to do so again, whether he wants to or not. Plus it seems to me they are trying to become Apple in the Linux world, with own services (and design). I am totally at a loss with entry-level distros right now. I tried Mint, also the new one with Gnome 3. The praised Mint menu seems overloaded to me (it shows too much at once IMHO). I somehow dislike custom layers over a standard interface, much like, if I bought an HTC Android, I would reflash it without Sense UI, but I’m digressing. OpenSuse seems even more overloaded. Albeit it provides a whole environment, Yast was full of stuff a simple user will never need. It also caused a very long and voluminous installation process. I must add though that I peeked into both Mint and Suse only for a day or so, without ever using it myself, so I don’t know jack about update procedures. A friend of mine wanted Linux, so I installed Debian stable for her with KDE 4.4. It’s not bleeding edge, but it works because it doesn’t change much (hence keeps working) and because she doesn’t do a lot of fancy stuff. (And also because I used Debian testing for a while, so I know a bit about how to do some helpdesking). -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. Everything is poisonous -- it just comes down to the dosage. pgpxGzE4PrJFs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDEPIM-4.7.3 hits the stable tree ... brrrrr!
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 11:26:27PM +0700, Dương Yang ヤン Hà Nguyễn wrote: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:11 AM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In the KDEPIM full stack, I use only Kopete. Today I upgraded both kdepimlibs and kopete to 4.7.3. After the upgrading, Kwallet did not work properly (it displayed a totally blank window without any wallets). I started Kopete and immediately I encountered the error message: That reminds me that I could put an addendum to my mail: I’m also having problems with Kopete since the upgrade 4.7.2→4.7.3. Sometimes it doesn’t fully start; the window comes up, but without account indicators in the status bar. And while I still had my mails set up with Akonadi, I was regularly asked for the password, even though it was stored in the wallet. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. A computer only crashes if your haven’t saved your text for a long time. pgpfNfmSxr0tY.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: How to increase console (text) screen resolution
Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de writes: AFAIK you also need to use a supporting Graphics driver. I, for instance, Even for a no X setup?. What ever it needs must be there since it pops up in a high resolution, but then drops back. If the good weren't there to create that resolution, I doubt it would enter a high res at all.
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I keep baselayout-1?
I upgraded 2 systems (both servers, one about 30 miles from me and one a VPS on another continent) and had zero issues. Unless you have the king of all obscure setups or you insist on merging config files by-hand instead of using etc-update or dispatch-conf, there's only a miniscule chance that you'll have any problems. I'd say go for it. On 8 December 2011 09:41, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: This server is ~50 miles away, and if I screw something and it does not boot up, I will have to go there and fix it on place. One small typo in ~50 config-files which must be updated is just enough to cause it... Anyway I'm surprised that everything older than 2.0.3 has been simply thrown overboard, especially while it worked for us without a problem for many years... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
[gentoo-user] FYI: problems with 3.1.3/3.1.4 and btrfs
On two different machines I've had fs mount failures, even though earlier mounts of the same filesystems on those kernels worked. 3.1.0 seems ok, and it mounted the fs that 3.1.3 couldn't.
Re: [gentoo-user] cxx/nocxx error building gcc-4.5.3-r1
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 10:27:50AM +0100, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote Just for clarification: - -* means -cxx and -nocxx This can produce the failure you get. Therefore you should set cxx (normally you should want a c++ compiler). If you have -* cxx nocxx you will have to remove one of the two useflags. Thanks. It builds now, with cxx added to USE. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re:Re: Re: [gentoo-user] Can't build firmware into kernel
I'm sorry, cause the policy of Internet in my country, I can't open the webpage. Could you send it to me or use other methods? Please see my off-list reply. Thanks a lot ! But I used lspci -v | less, it printed vebose information, then I looked up carefullyfor my video card, but I did not find anything about R600,R700 or other like, I'm still not clearabout R*** things , is it chipset name?
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo location for squirrelmail attachments
On 12/08/2011 02:17 PM, Grant wrote: I ran squirrelmail/configtest.php and realized I don't have an attachment directory set up for Squirrelmail: ERROR: Attachment dir (/var/local/squirrelmail/attach/) does not exist! I don't even have a /var/local/. Would a good Gentoo'er create the directory in that location? If a website needs to write files, let it do so under its own directory hierarchy. All of our PHP sites have something equivalent to the following in their apache vhost configs: php_admin_value open_basedir /var/www/example.com/www/ php_admin_value upload_tmp_dir /var/www/example.com/www/tmp php_admin_value session.save_path /var/www/example.com/www/tmp That way, if www.example.com is compromised, the rest of the machine is still safe (barring PHP bugs).
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't build firmware into kernel
Thanks a lot ! But I used lspci -v | less, it printed vebose information, then I looked up carefully for my video card, but I did not find anything about R600,R700 or other like, I'm still not clear about R*** things , is it chipset name? Hmm, I re-installed radeon-ucode package and I'm sure that I have R600_rlc.bin cause I canlocate it in /lib/firmware/ and /usr/src/linux/somewhere. But when I use make , the error message like:make[1]: *** No rule to make target `firmware/radeon/R600_rlc.bin', needed by `firmware/radeon/R600_rlc.bin.gen.o'. Stop.make: *** [firmware] Error 2 It's weird, because I think I have done all the Prerequisite correctly, so how could I fix it out ?
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't build firmware into kernel
In linux.gentoo.user, Lavender wrote: Thanks a lot ! But I used lspci -v | less, it printed vebose information, then I looked up carefully for my video card, but I did not find anything about R600,R700 or other like, I'm still not clear about R*** things , is it chipset name? Hmm, I re-installed radeon-ucode package and I'm sure that I have R600_rlc.bin cause I canlocate it in /lib/firmware/ and /usr/src/linux/somewhere. But when I use make , the error message like:make[1]: *** No rule to make target `firmware/radeon/R600_rlc.bin', needed by `firmware/radeon/R600_rlc.bin.gen.o'. Stop.make: *** [firmware] Error 2 It's weird, because I think I have done all the Prerequisite correctly, so how could I fix it out ? I think you need: CONFIG_PREVENT_FIRMWARE_BUILD=y Configured into your kernel. Have a look at your dmesg output. It should have your Radeon card version listed. Mine is a Radeon REDWOOD chip. Here's my kernel config relating to building firmware into the kernel: (ignore the fact that I wastefully build in all the chip versions other than the REDWOOD) CONFIG_PREVENT_FIRMWARE_BUILD=y CONFIG_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL=y CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE=radeon/REDWOOD_pfp.bin radeon/REDWOOD_rlc.bin \ radeon/REDWOOD_me.bin radeon/CEDAR_pfp.bin radeon/CEDAR_rlc.bin \ radeon/CEDAR_me.bin radeon/CYPRESS_me.bin radeon/CYPRESS_pfp.bin \ radeon/CYPRESS_rlc.bin radeon/JUNIPER_me.bin radeon/JUNIPER_pfp.bin \ radeon/JUNIPER_rlc.bin carl9170-1.fw CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE_DIR=/lib/firmware -- Regards, Gregory.
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo location for squirrelmail attachments
On Thu, December 8, 2011 8:37 pm, Stroller wrote: On 8 December 2011, at 19:17, Grant wrote: I ran squirrelmail/configtest.php and realized I don't have an attachment directory set up for Squirrelmail: ERROR: Attachment dir (/var/local/squirrelmail/attach/) does not exist! I don't even have a /var/local/. Would a good Gentoo'er create the directory in that location? Is this a new installation of Squirrelmail or an existing one? When you install Squirrelmail you're supposed to (last time I did so, which is admittedly a long time ago) run a setup program (it uses curses / text-menus). That asks what kind of IMAP server you're going to be connecting to (it works with all of them, but optimises itself for different ones), and the naming convention for Trash / Deleted Items, Drafts c on your server. I would have thought paths like this would be configured during this setup stage. I'm pretty sure it's safe to rerun this setup program at any time. Yes, it can be rerun at any time. The script is in the webroot where you installed squirrelmail and is called configure. Simply run that, then select option 4 (General Options). The directories you want to check/change are the first 2. HTH, Joost
Re:Re: [gentoo-user] Can't build firmware into kernel
I think you need: CONFIG_PREVENT_FIRMWARE_BUILD=y Configured into your kernel. Have a look at your dmesg output. It should have your Radeon card version listed. Mine is a Radeon REDWOOD chip. Here's my kernel config relating to building firmware into the kernel: Thank you, I'll try. Hope it will be success... (ignore the fact that I wastefully build in all the chip versions other than the REDWOOD) CONFIG_PREVENT_FIRMWARE_BUILD=y CONFIG_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL=y CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE=radeon/REDWOOD_pfp.bin radeon/REDWOOD_rlc.bin \ radeon/REDWOOD_me.bin radeon/CEDAR_pfp.bin radeon/CEDAR_rlc.bin \ radeon/CEDAR_me.bin radeon/CYPRESS_me.bin radeon/CYPRESS_pfp.bin \ radeon/CYPRESS_rlc.bin radeon/JUNIPER_me.bin radeon/JUNIPER_pfp.bin \ radeon/JUNIPER_rlc.bin carl9170-1.fw CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE_DIR=/lib/firmware -- Regards, Gregory.
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't build firmware into kernel
On Friday 09 Dec 2011 02:01:36 Lavender wrote: I'm sorry, cause the policy of Internet in my country, I can't open the webpage. Could you send it to me or use other methods? Please see my off-list reply. Thanks a lot ! But I used lspci -v | less, it printed vebose information, then I looked up carefullyfor my video card, but I did not find anything about R600,R700 or other like, I'm still not clearabout R*** things , is it chipset name? No it's the gpu family. Did you look at this link on James' page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units Above each table it tells you which RXXX you should use, if your card is listed below. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to increase console (text) screen resolution
On Thursday 08 Dec 2011 23:44:25 Harry Putnam wrote: Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de writes: AFAIK you also need to use a supporting Graphics driver. I, for instance, Even for a no X setup?. What ever it needs must be there since it pops up in a high resolution, but then drops back. If the good weren't there to create that resolution, I doubt it would enter a high res at all. Have you tried passing something like: video=1024x768 to your kernel line? I know this is a KMS way of specifying the resolution, but it may just work with recent kernels. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I keep baselayout-1?
On Thu, December 8, 2011 5:01 pm, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Dec 8, 2011 9:46 PM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: This server is ~50 miles away, and if I screw something and it does not boot up, I will have to go there and fix it on place. One small typo in ~50 config-files which must be updated is just enough to cause it... That's why I no longer deploy baremetal servers these days. Always as a VM on top of a hypervisor, with a small VM dedicated as an SSH tunnel. If I mess up, I can use the hypervisor management tool to reboot the VM, or open a console session, or even revert to a known good state. A seperate machine with serial-console or Ethernet-KVM on the mainboard also helps. Especially when updating the host :) My new servers will all have Ethernet-KVM for this reason. -- Joost
