Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Tom Gilliard

[Dave Crossland]

Very sad news. Thanks for sharing
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs changing directions

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Thanks Karen! Glad to hear that Conservancy will help make the transition
smooth :)
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Re: [IAEP] welcoming the new Sugar Labs oversight board members

[Dave Crossland]

Thanks for summarizing the recent organizational activity and best wishes
to all :)
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Re: [IAEP] IAEP and sugar-devel mailing list subscriber statistics, by the numbers

[Dave Crossland]

Thanks for sharing!

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 7:06 PM Alex Perez  In case anyone was curious...
>
> Of the 238 subscribers on iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org:
>
> * 32 people have chosen to place their subscription in the "nomail"
> state, so they are able to send e-mail to the list, but don't receive
> normal or digest e-mails.
> * 56 of the 238 subscribers have digest mode enabled.
> * Only three subscriber e-mail addresses are undeliverable (they bounce)
>
> Additionally, 470 members are currently subscribed to the sugar-devel
> mailing list. None of the e-mails to subscribers there are currently
> bouncing.
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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Dave Crossland]

Fair enough

Given the tiny size of the present community, I find it hard to understand
why if all such messages are in a muted thread, it would bother me :)

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 7:22 PM Alex Perez  Dave,
>
> It's not about 'splintering' discussion. There are a lot of logistics
> for a physical event, from "I'll bring X, Y, Z" to "meet us here on
> Friday" that simply _should not_ be happening on the iaep mailing list.
>
> Dave Crossland wrote:
> > I agree with Caryl, in that unlike me and the 229 others not doing
> > anything for scale, she is doing something and that should only be
> > commended.
> >
> > I also think splintering the discussion in many mailing lists is a
> > pity, since email reader app features exist to deal with muting
> > uninteresting threads, and it makes historical research harder.
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019

[Dave Crossland]

I agree with Caryl, in that unlike me and the 229 others not doing anything
for scale, she is doing something and that should only be commended.

I also think splintering the discussion in many mailing lists is a pity,
since email reader app features exist to deal with muting uninteresting
threads, and it makes historical research harder.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 5:07 PM Caryl Bigenho  To Everyone...
>
> I am saddened and a bit discouraged by James' comments about Tony and I
> being "too busy to be involved." There wouldn't have been anyone at SCaLE
> ever if I were not involved. There would be no Primero1° if I had not been
> involved. There would be no small deployment at a women's shelter in Los
> Angeles if I had not been involved... etc, etc, etc.
>
> And as for Tony Anderson... his involvement is totally incredible, and
> most of it is done "on his own dime." The problem is some people are so
> impressed with all the things that they do that they lose sight of the fact
> that many others are also toiling and "fighting the good fight."
>
> Wake up! We are a team. We need to all work together, each in our own way
> according to our own skills, abilities, and interests. No one here should
> put themselves on a pedestal and declare themselves better than anyone else
> as James has done in his note to Alex, sent to all of us below.
>
> Caryl
> --
> *From:* IAEP  on behalf of James
> Cameron 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2018 1:04 PM
> *To:* iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org
> *Subject:* Re: [IAEP] SCaLE 17X March7 -10, 2019
>
> Thanks Alex,
>
> Don't worry about Tony and Caryl.  Like the other 230 or so
> subscribers, they are too busy to be involved.  Rest of us on
> event-planning can keep them updated with occasional posts to IAEP.
>
> In other words; we split our messaging; for the too busy uninvolved we
> will say different things to what we say to the involved.
>
> It is ever thus, in all our mediums.
>
> --
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> http://quozl.netrek.org/
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting Reminder

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I've set that up. Thanks for the instructions :)
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting Reminder

[Dave Crossland]

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 at 09:09, Walter Bender  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 8:04 PM Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing the logs!
>>
>
> FWIW, the logs from every meeting are available in the wiki:
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Minutes
>

Thanks for the reminder!

However, I don't read them, unless they come across my inbox :)
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Meeting Reminder

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Thanks for sharing the logs!
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Re: [IAEP] How to navigate sugar-desktop (actually the Journal activity?) in my vanilla F29

[Dave Crossland]

What sugar activity packages did you install vis yum? My guess is you don't
have any pulled in as dependencies from sugar-desktop.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018, 11:05 PM Kevin  Hi all, and thanks for making and sharing sugar. It looks like wonderful
> software.
>
> I'd like to introduce my 8yo kid to sugar, so I installed vanilla F29 on
> an old MacBook Pro, updated all installed software via yum (no apparent
> problems with that much), and then I followed the instructions I found
> here :
>
> ==
>
> Using Sugar as a Desktop Environment
>
> Install Fedora. Then, in a Terminal, type:
>
> sudo dnf groupinstall sugar-desktop
>
> Then restart your computer. At the Sign in select the Sugar desktop.
>
> ==
>
> I did that, and after having done so, I don't have the same experience
> that I see when I go to https://try.sugarizer.org.
>
> When I visit https://try.sugarizer.org I see two options to click: "New
> user" and "Login", so I chose the former. Then I see "Choose name" and I
> type a trial name in to the text field and click "Next". Then I see "Choose
> at least 4 images:" and I click on "a", "b", "c", and "d" and then click
> "Next". And now I see "Click to change color:", and here is where there is
> one page that has some common features with my F29/Sugar desktop
> environment. So I click until I like a color combination for my trial XO
> character and then click "Done." Then I see a spinny icon and shortly
> afterwards I see my XO character at the center of a spiral of Activity
> icons that I suspect is very familiar to everyone here (what I think of as
> the Sugar desktop).
>
> But this differs in some important ways from what I see in my F29/Sugar
> desktop environment.
>
> When I enter my kid's username and password at the gnome display manager
> in F29 and select the Sugar desktop, I do see the "Click to change color:"
> screen. After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose
> gender. After I click "Next" on this screen, then I see a screen to choose
> a grade. After I click "Done" on this screen, I don't see my XO character
> at the center of a spiral of Activity icons like I do at
> https://try.sugarizer.org. I don't see anything like it at all. I can't
> take a screenshot of it because the screen seems to have no functionality
> for that at all. In the middle of a white screen I see a gray icon of a
> three-ring binder and the phrase: "Your Journal is empty". In the black top
> bar or "title bar", I see a small gray magnifying glass search icon in a
> white text box that reads "Search in Journal" on the far left, and then
> proceeding from left to right, I see a white star, then a white box icon
> with its four top flaps open, then two drop-down menus that read "Anything"
> (entitled "Select filter") and "Anytime" (also entitled "Select filter"
> with date options like "Today" and "Since yesterday"), respectively, then
> lastly I see an icon of a pencil writing on a piece of paper with upward
> and downward pointing triangles (another drop-down menu entitled "Sort
> view").
>
> I get the impression that in my F29/Sugar desktop described above, I'm
> looking at the Journal Activity, not the spiral collection of Activity
> icons that I see at https://try.sugarizer.org.
>
> In https://try.sugarizer.org, I see the same three-ring binder icon just
> below the XO character, and when I click on it at
> https://try.sugarizer.org, I'm taken to a screen that is similar to my
> desktop in my F29/Sugar desktop ("Search in journal", white star,
> "Anything" and "Anytime" drop-down menus, a question mark inside a circle,
> and finally a dot inside a circle on the far right; and the same three-ring
> binder icon in the center of the screen above the words "Your journal is
> empty"). But I can exit this screen and return to the spiral of Activity
> icons by clicking the dot-in-circle icon. There is no way I can find to
> exit the Journal activity in my F29/Sugar desktop.
>
> When I burned the SoaS iso to a DVD-R and booted into that on this old
> MacBook Pro, I had the exact same experience as I described above when
> logging into this vanilla F29 OS and selecting the Sugar desktop within the
> gnome display manager.
>
> So my question is, how do I make my F29/Sugar desktop (apparently just the
> Journal activity) look something like what I see at
> https://try.sugarizer.org (which I think is what I'm supposed to be
> seeing: the Sugar desktop)?
>
> As it is now, the only thing I can really do in my F29/Sugar desktop is to
> kill -9 the only running process that I see owned by my kid's account when
> I issue the "[alpha@localhost ~]$ w" command (/usr/libexec/gdm-x-session
> --run-script sugar). I do this while logged into F29 as another user in
> either a virtual console or in the gnome desktop environment running a
> terminal window. Then I can login as my kid again and go through the same
> 

[IAEP] The Verge article on OLPC/Sugar

[Dave Crossland]

www.theverge.com/2018/4/16/17233946/olpcs-100-laptop-education-where-is-it-now
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[IAEP] Fwd: [Sugar-devel] Farewell GStreamer on Python 2, a push for Python 3 porting

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

This seems important for the Sugar Labs strategy discussions that Sameer is
reinvigorating.


-- Forwarded message --
From: "James Cameron" 
Date: Jan 24, 2018 3:56 AM
Subject: [Sugar-devel] Farewell GStreamer on Python 2, a push for Python 3
porting
To: "sugar-devel" 
Cc:

Sugar uses Python 2.

GStreamer project is dropping support for Python 2, and as a consequence
Sugar won’t be available in Debian, and then later Ubuntu.

Hope I understand this correctly.

Haven’t heard yet what Fedora will do, but guess it will be similar.

Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Sebastian Dröge 
*Subject: **[Pkg-sugar-devel] Bug#849092: Port to Python 3 and
python3-gst-1.0*
*Date: *24 January 2018 at 7:37:42 pm AEDT
*To: *849...@bugs.debian.org
*Cc: *Debian Sugar Team 
*Resent-From: *Sebastian Dröge 
*Resent-To: *debian-bugs-d...@lists.debian.org
*Resent-Cc: *Debian Sugar Team 
*Reply-To: *Sebastian Dröge , 849...@bugs.debian.org

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 17:52:13 +0200 Sebastian Dröge  wrote:

your package currently depends on python-gst-1.0. Upstream is planning
to drop Python 2.x support in the near future, leaving only Python 3
support.

Please update your package to Python 3 to make this as painless as
possible later. Thanks!


Just an update here, this will likely happen in the next 2-3 months
with the next upstream release. Your package will become uninstallable
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs - Goals for 2018 and beyond

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

I agree with the general idea - this is going to only become more painful
the longer it is left undone, and if not done, will mean the end of the
python codebase. That might be acceptable, given the maturation of
Sugarizer.

Perhaps its worth having the Sugar core and toolkit part (vs the Sugarizer
part) of GSOC focus on this over the summer, and then use the contractor to
review, validate and complete the work.

And then have in mind that the following GCI and GSOC be focused on the
python3'ization of the key activities.


On 24 January 2018 at 11:28, Alex Perez  wrote:

> Sameer,
>
> Apologies for top-posting.
>
> For 2018, I would really like to see Sugar Labs get behind and commit to
> getting the core of Sugar working fully with Python 3. I personally believe
> this is critical to its long(er) term success, as Python 2 continues be
> deprecated. Python 2 will not be supported at all past 2020 (see
> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0373/)
>
> I asked Walter about the feasibility of this, to which he reiplied "we had
> a GSoC intern do a pretty thorough investigation a few years ago. Doesn't
> look like a lot of work for Sugar itself (or the toolkit). But updating all
> of the activities will be a chore."
>
> Personally I would propose that this be done under contract to someone
> with a very complete understanding of the differences and best coding
> practices between Python 2 and 3 (eg, a "professional"), due to the
> importance of getting this right the first time. Will that cost some money?
> Absolutely, but I suspect that it would be money well spent.
>
> I would appreciate your thoughts on this.
>
> Greetings!
>>
>> Here is a proposal to solicit various goals towards mission of
>> Sugarlabs. I am sending this out as per my comments on the recent
>> #sugar-meeting on IRC.
>>
>> In the past, I have noticed that whenever we propose to discuss
>> various goals that this community may pursue, we tend to fail quite
>> rapidly at not arriving at a consensus. It is not that we have
>> incorrect ideas about how we think the project should proceed. We tend
>> to disagree prematurely. To remedy the situation, I am proposing that
>> we gather opinions from the community about goals and do so in a
>> manner where it remains temporarily shielded from public view. Then,
>> at a given time (say two weeks) we make all of these items public.
>> This may reveal if we have convergent ideas or if we are still very
>> divergent. Either is okay.
>>
>> Next, we would try to merge similar items into tangible goals with a
>> specific time frame. Depending on who the champions are for a specific
>> goal and its objectives, these people may then band together into an
>> ad-hoc group and pursue said goals.
>>
>> The time line for this project is relatively short. I propose that we
>> collect ideas for two weeks. At the end of two weeks, we would then
>> make the items public, and solicit more ideas for a third week. At the
>> end of the third week, we would then try to collate similar responses
>> into clusters of tangible goals. From there on, each set of goals may
>> be pursued independently, depending on its sponsors, champions,
>> supporters and participants.
>>
>> If this sounds like something that will help us move forward, I am
>> ready to set this in motion. I have already discussed this with
>> Hillary Naylor, who is an active participant in our OLPC-SF group.
>> When it's time to collate responses, I may solicit some more help from
>> some of you.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Sameer
>> --
>> Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
>> Professor, Information Systems
>> San Francisco State University
>> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
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Re: [IAEP] Sugarlabs - Goals

[Dave Crossland]

This is great! Thank you Sameer!

I recently began updating the ideas I drafted a few years ago with Samson.
Please let us know where to submit the ideas when you are ready :D

On 11 January 2018 at 17:21, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> Here is a proposal to solicit various goals towards mission of
> Sugarlabs. I am sending this out as per my comments on the recent
> #sugar-meeting on IRC.
>
> In the past, I have noticed that whenever we propose to discuss
> various goals that this community may pursue, we tend to fail quite
> rapidly at not arriving at a consensus. It is not that we have
> incorrect ideas about how we think the project should proceed. We tend
> to disagree prematurely. To remedy the situation, I am proposing that
> we gather opinions from the community about goals and do so in a
> manner where it remains temporarily shielded from public view. Then,
> at a given time (say two weeks) we make all of these items public.
> This may reveal if we have convergent ideas or if we are still very
> divergent. Either is okay.
>
> Next, we would try to merge similar items into tangible goals with a
> specific time frame. Depending on who the champions are for a specific
> goal and its objectives, these people may then band together into an
> ad-hoc group and pursue said goals.
>
> The time line for this project is relatively short. I propose that we
> collect ideas for two weeks. At the end of two weeks, we would then
> make the items public, and solicit more ideas for a third week. At the
> end of the third week, we would then try to collate similar responses
> into clusters of tangible goals. From there on, each set of goals may
> be pursued independently, depending on its sponsors, champions,
> supporters and participants.
>
> If this sounds like something that will help us move forward, I am
> ready to set this in motion. I have already discussed this with
> Hillary Naylor, who is an active participant in our OLPC-SF group.
> When it's time to collate responses, I may solicit some more help from
> some of you.
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
> --
> Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
> Professor, Information Systems
> San Francisco State University
> http://verma.sfsu.edu/
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Re: [IAEP] A pending donation to Sugar Labs

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Awesome!!
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[IAEP] The Father Of Mobile Computing Is Not Impressed

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Re: [IAEP] Interesting quote from Alan Kay '72 paper

[Dave Crossland]

Love it! Thanks for sharing

On Sep 17, 2017 8:20 AM, "Sebastian Silva" 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> *"A combination of this "carry anywhere" device and a global information
> utility such as the ARPA network or two-way cable TV, will bring the
> libraries and schools (not to mention stores and billboards) or the world
> to the home. One can imagine one of the first programs an owner will write
> is a filter to eliminate advertising!"*
>
> *- Alan Kay, 1972*
>
> *https://mprove.de/diplom/gui/kay72.html*
>  (full text)
>
> *http://history-computer.com/Library/Kay72.pdf
> * (original)
>
> I couldn't help but feeling identified with this "owner".
>
> Regards,
>
> Sebastian
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?

[Dave Crossland]

Cool :)

I'm excited about the GSOC projects!! :)

On 12 May 2017 at 13:42, Samuel Cantero <scante...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No yet. But I know they are working to upgrade it ASAP. Hopefully they
> will end that soon.
>
> Aside from that, we're going to try to build a new ASLO in GSoC which must
> ease activities management, for both image builders and developers. I will
> be helping on that.
>
> On May 12, 2017 1:25 PM, "Dave Crossland" <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>
>> Do those xo run the latest release?
>>
>> On May 12, 2017 1:01 PM, "Samuel Cantero" <scante...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not agree. In Paraguay, kids are still using a lot the python
>>> codebase and I guess we're not the only one. We should work to find out a
>>> new release manager if Sam P can't make it anymore.
>>>
>>> Certainly there are many things to improve, but we shall overcome. I
>>> don't think solution is to discard all XOs schools have around here.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Sam C.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It seems to me that the classic Sugar python codebase could be returned
>>>> to Quozl / OLPC, and Sugar Labs could focus on the JS Sugarizer codebase.
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?

[Dave Crossland]

Do those xo run the latest release?

On May 12, 2017 1:01 PM, "Samuel Cantero" <scante...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not agree. In Paraguay, kids are still using a lot the python codebase
> and I guess we're not the only one. We should work to find out a new
> release manager if Sam P can't make it anymore.
>
> Certainly there are many things to improve, but we shall overcome. I don't
> think solution is to discard all XOs schools have around here.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sam C.
>
> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>
>> It seems to me that the classic Sugar python codebase could be returned
>> to Quozl / OLPC, and Sugar Labs could focus on the JS Sugarizer codebase.
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] (Goals and Mission) with Microsoft in it?

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It seems to me that the classic Sugar python codebase could be returned to
Quozl / OLPC, and Sugar Labs could focus on the JS Sugarizer codebase.
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Re: [IAEP] GSoC 2017 results for SugarLabs

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Congrats!! :) Looking forward to Monday IRC meeting :)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Technical Service Request - Project: Sugar Network

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Laura

I sympathize with your concern for active users. But my recommendation is
to use this as motivation to shut down Sugar Network.

In my opinion: Everything associated with the old Python codebase has
entered terminal decline, is no longer sustainable, and should be archived
and turned off. All efforts should be on Sugarizer, all XO hardware should
be abandoned. If kids have xo computers that they use, let them use them,
but no more updates and no more network services.

Perhaps the shut down message should inform users where in github to get
the source to self host, and or, who to contact to get paid support.

On Apr 24, 2017 5:53 AM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:

>
>> I think we can wait a bit longer for Adam and Sameer to register their
>> votes.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>>
>>>
> Walter,
>
> Now that motion failed, I'm totally out of ideas on how to achieve our
> maintenance goals. Spam was not a problem for the first 3 years of Sugar
> Network and now it consumes lot's of the User Interface and thus children
> attention. I really can't sleep relaxed while this is happening.
>
> Maybe, you can reformulate the motion in a manner that suits your approval
> criteria?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Laura
>
>
>>
>>> Since a clear majority on favor is required to pass a Motion[1], Motion
>>> has failed.
>>>
>>> Thank you all that supported the motion! We hope we'll find some other
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Regards and blessings to all,
>>>
>>> Laura V
>>>
>>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Requesting_a_SLOBs_decision
>>>
>>> 2017-04-17 10:42 GMT-05:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>>>
 Well as I said +1.

 Lets hope everything gets resolved ASAP

 On 4/17/17, Walter Bender  wrote:
 > -1 from me. It seems an arbitrary and unscalable request.
 >
 > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Laura Vargas 
 > wrote:
 >
 >> Ignacio, I believe you'll need to state your vote again :D
 >>
 >> Since I am the requesting party, my vote will be "abstain".
 >>
 >> For all other slobs that haven't vote yet: Adam, Sameer and Walter,
 >> please
 >> keep in mind motions need to be voted on via email within 7 days of
 >> posting.
 >>
 >> In case any of you slobs require additional information please do
 ask on
 >> time.
 >>
 >>
 >> Regards,
 >>
 >> Laura V
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> 2017-04-13 9:07 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
 >>
 >>> +1 for me.
 >>>
 >>> On Apr 13, 2017 11:25 AM, "Lionel Laské" 
 wrote:
 >>>
  Motion: Urgent maintenance budget of 500$ for fixing spam attacks
 on
  Sugar Network. Detail of the tasks to do are described in the
 Technical
  Service Request provided by Laura. It's an one shot motion to avoid
  interruption of service for Sugar Network users. Further
 investments on
  Sugar Network will be correlated to discussion about long-term
 support
  of
  the platform.
 
  Please second this motion to start the vote.
 
  Best regards.
 
   Lionel.
 
  2017-04-12 14:22 GMT+02:00 Laura Vargas :
 
 > Thank you Lionel, Samson and Ignacio!
 >
 > The formal procedure requires a SLOB to propose "A motion" and
 then
 > another SLOB to second it. In this way all other SLOBs will
 understand
 > they
 > are called to vote.
 >
 > I would appreciate if you guys can do this.
 >
 > Blessings and regards
 > Laura V
 >
 >
 > 2017-04-09 11:36 GMT-05:00 Lionel Laské :
 >
 >> I'm agree with the idea to think to the long-term but I think we
 >> can't
 >> leave loyal Sugar user without their tools.
 >>
 >> So +1 to process this TSR considering we can't process other
 requests
 >> without thinking to the long term support of Sugar Network.
 >>
 >> Lionel.
 >>
 >>
 >> 2017-04-08 16:39 GMT+02:00 Laura Vargas :
 >>
 >>> Once we solve the urgent need to neutralize Spam attacks, I
 would
 >>> love to open the discussion for long-term support.
 >>>
 >>> Regards
 >>>
 >>> 2017-04-08 9:34 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <
 walter.ben...@gmail.com>:
 >>>
 
 
  On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Laura Vargas
   wrote:
 
 > We have supported Sugar Network on a voluntary basis without
 > retribution since it's deployment on 2014. Unfortunately we
 ran out
 

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Mission & The 6 lesson Schoolteacher

[Dave Crossland]

Which of Papert's is definitive?

On Apr 23, 2017 10:54 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 10:51 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2017 10:37 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I watched some of Papert's lectures from the mid 90s on YouTube last
>>> year... Is Mindstorms the definitive work?
>>>
>>> If sugar is "against school", by which I mean is not anti school but
>>> critical, is that worth encoding in the mission more explicitly?
>>>
>>
>> Sugar is against teaching.
>>
>>
>> Okay :)
>>
>> I see the mission motion already went up, so I retract the above
>> suggestion to out it in there.
>>
>> Over the summer I'll see about working​ with the website gsoc student on
>> the website copy to this affect
>>
>
> +1
>
>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Mission & The 6 lesson Schoolteacher

[Dave Crossland]

On Apr 23, 2017 10:37 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:



On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I watched some of Papert's lectures from the mid 90s on YouTube last
> year... Is Mindstorms the definitive work?
>
> If sugar is "against school", by which I mean is not anti school but
> critical, is that worth encoding in the mission more explicitly?
>

Sugar is against teaching.


Okay :)

I see the mission motion already went up, so I retract the above suggestion
to out it in there.

Over the summer I'll see about working​ with the website gsoc student on
the website copy to this affect

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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs Mission & The 6 lesson Schoolteacher

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

I watched some of Papert's lectures from the mid 90s on YouTube last
year... Is Mindstorms the definitive work?

If sugar is "against school", by which I mean is not anti school but
critical, is that worth encoding in the mission more explicitly?

Cheers
Dave


On Apr 23, 2017 1:09 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:



On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> What motivates me to contribute to sugar labs is an intuition that it is a
> reasonable response to the topics raised in the following essay.
>
> Since we are talking about the mission, I wonder if my intuition is
> correct. Is the mission of sugar labs to counter schoolteaching as
> described below?
>

Have you read Papet?  The phrases "explore, discover, create, and reflect"
while "taking ownership and responsibility" are code for Constructionist
Learning. But it might be interesting as an exercise to look at the
specific ways in which Sugar undermines the Six Lessons. Thanks for sharing
this.

-walter

> The Six-Lesson Schoolteacher
>
> by John Taylor Gatto, New York State Teacher of the Year, 1991
>
> *Call me* Mr. Gatto, please. Twenty-six years ago, having nothing better
> to do, I tried my hand at schoolteaching. My license certifies me as an
> instructor of English language and literature, but that isn't what I do at
> all. What I teach is school, and I win awards doing it.
>
> Teaching means many different things, but six lessons are common to
> schoolteaching from Harlem to Hollywood. You pay for these lessons in more
> ways than you can imagine, so you might as well know what they are:
>
> *The first* lesson I teach is: "Stay in the class where you belong." I
> don't know who decides that my kids belong there but that's not my
> business. The children are numbered so that if any get away they can be
> returned to the right class. Over the years the variety of ways children
> are numbered has increased dramatically, until it is hard to see the human
> being under the burden of the numbers each carries. Numbering children is a
> big and very profitable business, though what the business is designed to
> accomplish is elusive.
>
> In any case, again, that's not my business. My job is to make the kids
> like it -- being locked in together, I mean -- or at the minimum, endure
> it. If things go well, the kids can't imagine themselves anywhere else;
> they envy and fear the better classes and have contempt for the dumber
> classes. So the class mostly keeps itself in good marching order. That's
> the real lesson of any rigged competition like school. You come to know
> your place.
>
> Nevertheless, in spite of the overall blueprint, I make an effort to urge
> children to higher levels of test success, promising eventual transfer from
> the lower-level class as a reward. I insinuate that the day will come when
> an employer will hire them on the basis of test scores, even though my own
> experience is that employers are (rightly) indifferent to such things. I
> never lie outright, but I've come to see that truth and [school]teaching
> are incompatible.
>
> The lesson of numbered classes is that there is no way out of your class
> except by magic. Until that happens you must stay where you are put.
>
> *The second* lesson I teach kids is to turn on and off like a light
> switch. I demand that they become totally involved in my lessons, jumping
> up and down in their seats with anticipation, competing vigorously with
> each other for my favor. But when the bell rings I insist that they drop
> the work at once and proceed quickly to the next work station. Nothing
> important is ever finished in my class, nor in any other class I know of.
>
> The lesson of bells is that no work is worth finishing, so why care too
> deeply about anything? Bells are the secret logic of schooltime; their
> argument is inexorable; bells destroy past and future, converting every
> interval into a sameness, as an abstract map makes every living mountain
> and river the same even though they are not. Bells inoculate each
> undertaking with indifference.
>
> *The third* lesson I teach you is to surrender your will to a predestined
> chain of command. Rights may be granted or withheld, by authority, without
> appeal. As a schoolteacher I intervene in many personal decisions, issuing
> a Pass for those I deem legitimate, or initiating a disciplinary
> confrontation for behavior that threatens my control. My judgments come
> thick and fast, because individuality is trying constantly to assert itself
> in my classroom. Individuality is a curse to all systems of classification,
> a contradiction of class theory.
>
> Here are som

Re: [IAEP] 2017 Goals for Sugar Labs

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

Thanks Walter. I'd like to better understand some additional context before
diving in :)

Does this mean Sameer you have stopped the project planning process you
started, and we should not expect you to restart it again?

Walter, are these the goals for this year, or are they your proposal for
the goals for this year?



On Apr 9, 2017 3:31 PM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:

> As per the discussion in the last Suagr Labs Oversight Board Meeting, I
> had agreed to write a draft statement of goals for 2017. The document below
> includes feedback from Samson G. I hope this document can serve to
> revitalize our discussion from 2016 that never reached resolution.
>
> Sugar Labs Plans, Goals, Aspirations
>
> What is Sugar Labs?
>
> Sugar Labs creates, distributes, and maintains learning software for
> children. Our approach to learning is grounded in Constructionism, a
> pedagogy developed by Seymour Papert and his colleagues in the 1960s and
> 70s at MIT. Papert pioneered the use of the computer by children to help
> engage them in the “construction of knowledge.” His long-time colleague
> Cynthia Solomon expanded up his ideas by introducing the concept of
> engaging children in debugging as a pathway into problem-solving. Their
> 1971 paper, “Twenty things to do with a computer”, is arguably the genesis
> of contemporary movements such as the Maker Movement and Hour of Code.
>
> At the core of Constructionism is “learning through doing.” If you want
> more learning, you want more doing. At Sugar Labs we provide tools to
> promote doing. (We focus almost exclusively on tools, not instructional
> materials.) However, we go beyond “doing” by incorporating critical dialog
> and reflection into the Sugar learning environment, through mechanisms for
> collaboration, journaling, and portfolio.
>
> Sugar Labs is a spinoff of the One Laptop per Child (OLPC) project and
> consequently it has inherited many of its goals from that project. The goal
> of OLPC is to bring the ideas of Constructionism to scale in order to reach
> more children. A particular focus is on children in the developing world.
> In order to meet that goal, Sugar, which was originally developed for OLPC,
> was by necessity a small-footprint solution that required few resources in
> terms of CPU, memory, storage, or network connectivity. The major change on
> focus from the OLPC project is that Sugar Labs strives to make the Sugar
> desktop available to multiple platforms, not just the OLPC XO hardware.
>
> Who develops Sugar?
>
> Sugar Labs is a 100% volunteer effort (although we do occasionally raise
> money for paid student internships). Sugar development and maintenance is
> incumbent upon volunteers and hence we strive to provide as much control as
> possible to our community members, including our end-users. (In fact, one
> of our assertions is that by enabling our users to participate in the
> development of the tools that they use will lead to deeper engagement in
> their own learning.) Towards these ends, we chose the GPL as our primary
> license. It has been said of the GPL that it “restricts my right [as a
> developer] to restrict yours [as a user and potential developer]”, which
> seems ideal for a project that wants to engage a broad and diverse set of
> learners. But at Sugar Labs we go beyond the usual goals of FOSS: a license
> to make changes to the code is not enough to ensure that users make
> changes. We also strive to provide the means to make changes. Our success
> in this goal is best reflected in the number of patches we receive from our
> community. (We achieve this goal through providing access to source code
> and development tools within Sugar itself. We also actively participate in
> workshops and internship programs such as Google Summer of Code,
> Outreaching, and Google Code-In.)
>
> Who uses Sugar?
>
> Ultimately, our goal is to reach learners (and educators) with powerful
> tools and engage them in Constructionist learning. Currently we reach them
> in many ways: the majority of our users get the Sugar desktop preinstalled
> on OLPC XO hardware. We have a more modest set of users who get Sugar
> packaged in Fedora, Trisquel, Debian, Ubuntu, or other GNU/Linux platforms.
> Some users get Sugar on Live Media (i.e., Sugar on a Stick). Recently
> Sugarizer, a repackaging of some of the core Sugar ideas for the browser,
> has been finding its way to some users. There are also a number of Sugar
> activities that are popular outside of the context Sugar itself, for
> example, Turtle Blocks, which has wide-spread use in India. Harder to
> measure is the extent to which Sugar has influenced other providers of
> “educational” software. If the Sugar pedagogy is incorporated by others,
> that advances our goal.
>
> Who supports Sugar?
>
> When we first created Sugar Labs, we envisioned “Local Labs”—hence the
> name “Sugar Labs”, plural—that would provide local support in terms of
> local-language support, 

Re: [IAEP] Sugarizer dev platform is now open

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Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF March meeting: Ethiopia

[Dave Crossland]

Will anyone run a Facebook live video of the presentation? :)

On Mar 7, 2017 11:46 AM, "Aaron Borden"  wrote:

> Hello folks,
>
> OLPC San Francisco will be hosting our monthly meeting Saturday,
> March 11th, from 10AM - 1PM at the downtown SFSU campus, 835 Market
> Street, 6th floor, room 609. Please RSVP[1].
>
> This month, the **new** OLPC XO-NL3 Laptop is going to Ethiopia. Come and
> see the new device at work. We'll have a discussion with the project
> lead Andres Gros of Facebook and project computer expert Sameer Verma of
> SFSU. Discussion will be moderated by Alex Kleider.
>
> We will have Ethiopian coffee and light snacks.
>
> Agenda
> - Meet and greet
> - Ethiopia and the new OLPC XO-NL3 Laptop
> - Project updates
> - Project working time
>
> Our meetings are held on the second Saturday of every month. Everyone is
> welcome to join us for our monthly meeting! We'll be discussing the
> latest in OLPC events and give updates on our local (and global)
> projects. There will be plenty of XO laptops with the latest builds to
> play around with, too.
>
> [1] https://www.eventbrite.com/e/olpc-sf-march-meeting-
> ethiopia-tickets-8350942895
>
>
> Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/1812685709045722/
> Google+ https://plus.google.com/events/c9fkbhafqujutd4bqb1as28il70
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Re: [IAEP] Resubmission of Proposed Project for Sugarizer1°

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Great questions! Thank you Caryl :)
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Re: [IAEP] Resubmission of Proposed Project for Sugarizer1°

[Dave Crossland]

I encourage you to add this to the wiki so it can be revised
collaboratively
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

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Sorry to say I'm on vacation tomorrow but I will check the logs :)
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Dave Crossland]

Thanks for clarifying :)

The question remains then: Is Sugar Labs to direct attention entirely to a
few hundreds of very-to-somewhat old XO laptops maintained by experts like
Tony and those in Caacupe, or to the millions of children who have
computers/tablets capable of accessing/installing Sugarizer, or to some mix
of the two; and if the latter, what mix is appropriate in 2017 and 2018?

On 1 March 2017 at 05:26, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net> wrote:

> All models are obviously xo-1, xo-1.5, xo-1.75 and xo-4. Sugarizer is not
> relevant since the XOs deploy Sugar. The Sugarizer activities are mostly
> also available as Sugar web activities. We are using the Python Turtle
> blocks.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 02/28/2017 02:29 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2017 11:34 PM, "Tony Anderson" <tony_ander...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, Sugar 0.110 (OLPC OS 13.2.8) has been installed on
> hundreds of XO laptops, all models in Rwanda. The codebase is reaching
> these classrooms.
>
>
> That is great to know!!! :)
>
> What xo models are those?
>
> Does anyone know of any other classrooms using the latest release?
>
> I am not sure what you mean by the js codebase, but if you mean the sugar
> web activities. Yes they are available for optional installment (along with
> the other activities in ASLO)
>
>
> Sugarizer
>
>
>


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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Dave Crossland]

On Feb 27, 2017 11:34 PM, "Tony Anderson"  wrote:

For what it's worth, Sugar 0.110 (OLPC OS 13.2.8) has been installed on
hundreds of XO laptops, all models in Rwanda. The codebase is reaching
these classrooms.


That is great to know!!! :)

What xo models are those?

Does anyone know of any other classrooms using the latest release?

I am not sure what you mean by the js codebase, but if you mean the sugar
web activities. Yes they are available for optional installment (along with
the other activities in ASLO)


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Re: [IAEP] Need photos!

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Caryl!

Were you able to obtain more photos? :)


On 21 February 2017 at 22:56, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> Hi Folks...
>
>
> We will be having a booth at SCaLE next month featuring OLPC spin-offs
> like Sugarizer, IIAB, and UnleashKids. If you are involved in any kind of
> deployment or other project, please send an update and, especially, photos.
>
>
> The photos you send can be made into a constantly running dvd with text
> instead of narration (the exhibit hall can get pretty noisy). But, time is
> of the essence! SCaLE happens the first weekend of March. So, send your
> best project photos with short descriptions of each and they can be
> included.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Caryl Bigenho
>
>
> P.S. Pass this on to anyone who might miss it who would have something to
> contribute.
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Network maintenance

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

Was this resolved?

On 21 February 2017 at 10:34, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> Again we are having a spam attack that modifies the texts of one of the
> contexts of the main visualization of the Sugar Network :(
>
> This problem was reported last year and resolved during the past month but
> was present again today and so I'm asking for your help.
>
> March is the month in which the students start their learning cycle here
> in the South and thus it would be nice to be prepared.
>
>
>
> Regards and Blessings
>
> --
> Laura Victoria
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “No paradox, no progress.”
> ~ Niels Bohr
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] GSoC

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[IAEP] Mountain View school's "Teach to One" math learner software

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

The Mountain View school district apparently budgeted $521,000 to implement
and operate this new-fangled math program in two local schools (Graham and
Crittenden Middle Schools). Had they adequately beta tested the program
beforehand, the school district might have discovered that Teach to One
teaches math–we have observed–in a disjointed, non-linear and often erratic
fashion that leaves many students baffled and disenchanted with math. The
program contains errors in the math it teaches. Parents end up having to
teach kids math at home and make up for the program’s deficiencies. And all
the while, the math teachers get essentially relegated to “managing the
[Teach to One] program rather than to providing direct instruction”
themselves.


http://www.openculture.com/2017/01/the-teach-to-one-math-experiment-in-mountain-view-ca-is-a-trainwreck.html

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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On 26 February 2017 at 09:32, Samson Goddy  wrote:
>
> At the last meeting, walter gave (Ignacio, Laura and me) tasks on how we can
> attract funding to the Community, i came up with the idea of creating
> awareness to the general public through SMM role. Which received negative
> comments, due to the fact that it was attached with $$

Kindly, your idea for attracting funding involves spending existing
funds, with no clear path to future income.

> What are these money for?

The monies in the general fund can be used for any purpose the SLOBs
approve; for them to approve a motion to spend money, they must be
convinced that the motion is likely to succeed, that success can be
measured, and that success will be aligned with the ethos
(vision/mission/etc) of both Sugar Labs, and the Software Freedom
Conservancy of which it is a part.

Reviewing https://sfconservancy.org/projects/apply/ may be helpful to
understand the benefits and constraints that Conservancy brings to
Sugar Labs.

> How do we get funds outside Google programs?

I don't think it is worth spending effort on this.

> What will happen to Sugar Labs if Google terminates GSOC or GCI one day?

I would expect  Sugar Labs would no longer see its general fund
increase year over year, through sponsored development by young
people.

More importantly, that would mean development would slow down
significantly, since most development seems to be performed by
GSOC/GCI sponsorees, and it would then only be done by the current few
active volunteer developers (such as Lionel, Chris, Walter, Sam,
Tymon, etc.)

But other than that, not much would change. Sugar Labs will continue
to be a part of the Conservancy, so until the development community
loses all its developers and the whole thing is archived and unless
no-one revives it, then it would become a historical project in the
history of computing - as so many great projects that are now archived
and abandoned (or even, lost to sands of time)

> These are questions that i will love to have answers on.
>
> Concerning possible loosing support for python version. I think of we have
> good strategy of how sugar can impact learning in schools, i don't think any
> version of sugar matters. Last year after my project, i started doing
> research on SEED/OLPC schools. I got a call from a teacher in Southern Part
> of Nigeria. He was telling me about xo machines in his schools. He told me
> that for the past years, after SEED terminated the project. They stop using
> the sugar because no body could support them. He also mention that his
> school is willing to Re:sugar with over 1,000 xo machines working. I told
> him i was going to contact the community for support. Which i did but didn't
> get any response aside from Tony and Walter.

Right. In a way it is a pity, since the machines were designed to
physically last and indeed they have! :)

Continuing to support the XO-1 is definitely an option for the next 10 years.

Discontinuing support for the python version completely is also an option.

How to decide? =)

I wonder what the price of abandoning the machines and buying cheap
Android tablets is, compared to the price of maintaining them with the
latest OLPC/Sugar release.

> Concerning what Caryl was saying about paying teachers to test sugar in
> schools. I think that is a great plan. But is shouldn't just focus on the
> Sugarizer only yet. Of course i know JS is the feature but before that if we
> can support python let us do it. "Let us use what we have to get want we
> want". Example, i am planning a mega workshop in Nigeria, concerning
> targeting school with E-learning capabilities. There are lot of schools in
> Nigeria using tablet in class to play games. Why won't SL sit down and think
> how we can get this schools to use Sugarizer  in their tablet, deploy
> schools servers for collaborations. Install python version in computer labs
> as my school did back in the olpc days.

The nature of libre software is that no one is prevented from doing
any of that.

However, the question is, what does the SL org want to focus on, to
drive attention to, to nurture?  Focus requires saying no to things :)

> I have the ability to do this, because what they care about is success
> stories, how does this benefit our students. GCI can be a pinpoint, my story
> about how i became what i am now was because of Sugar.

:)

> P.S i have been invited to a Scratch conference in Bordeaux, France. Which
> is scheduled to happen in July i can't remember the date. Also a mini
> scratch events in Nairobi, Kenya for prep talk which i am going to talk
> about Sugar. All because i posted my passion about computer science in
> Medium. So this is what we should be doing as a community not doing
> otherwise.

Great!

Focusing SL as a home for young developers seems like a good option :)

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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On 26 February 2017 at 11:44, Sebastian Silva  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> On 25/02/17 20:33, Tymon Radzik wrote:
>
>> Sugar Labs is by its statement volunteer-driven project. We are volunteers.
>> We work for the idea of the free and open software and not for own financial
>> profit.
>
> It is worth to reflect upon this point. Certainly the design and engineering
> teams of Redhat and OLPC that built Sugar in the first place weren't unpaid
> volunteers.

They were also not part of Sugar Labs.

> I like to think that we're all volunteers, in that, we are not
> motivated by money, and if we could do more, we would.
>
> (Lack of) Investment in software infrastructure for education is a large
> void that ultimately implies a hidden cost of integration, field support,
> even the impossibility of deployment. Who is doing this work required to
> take Sugar* (a component) and make it into end user solutions?

There are organizations like oneeducation and kidsoncomputers that do
this work; and it seems to me that they don't focus on Sugar because
it isn't what people want.

An anecdote: Around the end of last summer, I spoke to someone
involved in Sugar a while ago, based in the US, who helps refugees to
the US with some computing stuff. He was listed in the wiki. The idea
of booting a PC off a USB stick - let alone installing a dual boot
setup - was so intimidating for these families, where any trouble
running the existing Windows/Office tools that the parents in the
families needed to keep their families off the streets - that he was
unable to get a single child, highly motivated from tutored use of
Sugar at school - to make use of it at home.

Sugarizer presents such children with a more viable option to take
more active direction over their own learning, being web based, and
packaged for a kid who has a hand-me-down mobile device.

However, it is unclear to me if my premise in the line above - that
Sugar Labs should focus on subverting schools, by empowering kids to
teach themselves, and avoiding the need for field support and
deployment managed by adults - is closer to what Sugar Labs should be,
or if the premie that Caryl outlined in her last email in this thread
- that Sugar Labs should focus on supporting schools, by adjusting
Sugar software to meet the pedagogical theories of common schools - is
closer.

As Samson and I have been saying, last year we all agreed to wait for
Sameer to provide a vision, missions, etc.

I suppose that if Sameer doesn't do this soon,

> While it is probably human nature to distrust, I think Laura is proposing to
> shift from just hiring strangers that walk away after 3 months with $5000,

I'm confused. When was $5,000 paid out to someone who delivered nothing? :)

> to sustaining long term active members with a small stipend for a year, in
> the hope (and trust) that they will increase their effort and involvement,
> as well as attract more active contributors. Whether this will result in a
> better Sugar a year from now, and whether it is sustainable, remains to be
> seen, as well as the specific dynamics of such a program.

This strategy seems high risk, to me.

> The following is an excerpt from "Roads and Bridges: The Unseen Labor Behind
> Our Digital Infrastructure" (license: CC-BY, author: Nadia Eghbal)
>
> I recommend reading the whole book and we can think how it applies to a
> project like Sugar Labs, that has no money making product, but rather is a
> knowledge multiplying community, and how society can nurture it.

I've read the book; after publishing it, Nadia then went to work for
Github and in her role there has just published
http://opensource.guide which has a section on funding directly.

However, I think the funds that accrue to SL from its GSOC/GCI
programs provide adequate funding for the project to continue
indefinitely as a volunteer-run one. It is not clear to me that any
additional funds should be sought until the org and the project have
been reconstituted for 2017 to 2027. That costs nothing :)

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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Dave Crossland]

On 26 February 2017 at 04:15, Chris Leonard  wrote:
>
> To clarify, I had negotiated a contract with Sugar Labs / SFC for a
> monthly stipend to support the Translation Manager position.  I did
> NOT submit a single invoice for that work (which I have been doing)
> and allowed the contract to lapse.  I have not received a dime from
> Sugar Labs funds in in the 10 years I have been volunteering and I
> have come to regret that I opened the door to the current effort to
> drain those funds into members pockets.

Thanks for the clarification Chris! I was not aware of the status of
the contract and payments either way.

> I believe the funds (the majority of which come from the TripAdvisor
> grant obtained by Walter) should go to their intended purpose,
> supporting TurtleArt promotion and internationalization and
> localization efforts.  I understand that for legal reasons the funds
> are officially considered fungible and in a general pool, but I
> believe we should honor the original intent of the donor.

I agree with you.

> I now regret having opened the door to paid efforts

I think with this message the door is now closed!
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Dave Crossland]

On Feb 25, 2017 6:27 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:



On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Sam Parkinson <sam@sam.today> wrote:

> On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 08:36 +0530, Dave Crossland wrote:
> > Actually I am not convinced of this; I do not believe that the latest
> > releases of the Python codebase reach classrooms, and the js codebase
> > only reaches one.
> >
> > One of the projects listed is social help. It's a fine idea, but a
> > cursory look at the site shows it has extremely low activity. I think
> > it would be better to shut it down.
>
> Sugar tries to literally replace every part of the computer that a user
> sees.  And believe it or not; that is a hard goal for a small free
> software community.  3 people in their spare time can't replace the
> years of work poured into every other desktop environment & their
> software.
>
> You're 100% spot on.  The future of SL is things like TurtleJS.
>

I am obviously a fan of Turtle (and Music Blocks), but I am convinced that,
for example, Sugar on Raspberry PI has a big future. It is a very
experience, relatively easy to set up, and a good fit for the maker space.
We should push hard to really make the process smooth and robust.


Sugar or sugarizer? 

How many classrooms do we know of using the latest sugar release on pi
hardware? 藍
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Dave Crossland]

On Feb 25, 2017 1:31 AM, "Martin Abente Lahaye" <t...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:



On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org>
wrote:

> Hi martin,
>
> i believe this is it
>


Thanks!


>
> Some time ago Aleksey suggested to the list, that we should sponsor with
> US$500/month to active Sugar Labs contributors in need on a monthly basis.
>
> Today we have many active contributors that are vital to the Sugar Labs
> ecosystem
>

Actually I am not convinced of this; I do not believe that the latest
releases of the Python codebase reach classrooms, and the js codebase only
reaches one.

One of the projects listed is social help. It's a fine idea, but a cursory
look at the site shows it has extremely low activity. I think it would be
better to shut it down.


and many of them have expressed they are somehow in need of financial
> resources, perhaps it is time we retribute them with trust and monthly
> donations.
>
> At the same time and as part of the Marketing and Funding plan, there is
> interest among active contributors to start an implementation of Open
> Badges for Sugar Labs.
>
> I personally believe, Open Badges may be one way to open channels for
> resources to flow to active contributors.
>

While resources can flow through SFC, where are the resources coming from?
The SL general fund is not a source, it is a destination for funds. Eg,
Gsoc and gci pay contributors and also pay into the SL general fund. Other
grant opportunities exist.

But the whole sugar labs  doesn't have a direction that makes sense, so
applying successfully for grants is not possible.



According to our financial status, I calculated at least 7 badges with
> stipends can be created and granted on a yearly basis starting 2017.
>
> Under this model and for the first year (03/2017 - 03/2018), each badge
> could have a US$500/month stipend attached, for a total of US$3,500 per
> month, totaling US$ 42,000 per year in stipends [1] to Active contributors.
>
> The beneficiary or "badge holder" can choose to accept our* monthly
> donation* or if not in need can also choose to pass it on to any active
> contributor in need or to give it back to the General Funds account. I
> volunteer myself to co-manage payments and logistics with Adam and SFC and
> Ignacio has volunteer to lead the development of the Badges.
>
> Here are the names for the badges with stipends and their holders I'm
> proposing for the first year of the model:
>
> # 1 Infrastructure Hero - Samuel Cantero
> # 2 Infrastructure Hero - Sebastian Silva
> # 3 Release Manager - Ignacio Rodriguez
> # 4 Translations Manager - Chris Leonard
> # 5 Marketing Team Leader - Samson Goddy
> # 6 Sugar Network Project Leader - Laura Vargas
> # 7 Social Help Project Leader - Sam Parkinson
>
> Here are the names for the badges without stipends and their holders I'm
> proposing for the first year of the model:
>
> # 8 Sugarizer Project Leader - Lionel Laske
> # 9 Sugar Labs Honor Badge - Walter Bender
> # 10 Secretary - Dave Crossland
> # 11 Treasure Keeper - Adam Holt
>
> Please share your toughs on the subject.
>


Is there a plan to ensure that this proposal is financially sustainable?
e.g. What will SL do in concrete to ensure that it won't run out of funds
after 2 years?


Exactly :)



> If you consider there are more Badges and/or Badge holders that should be
> considered for the first year, please feel free to nominate someone else or
> yourself and give a name to the Badge.
>
> Also, if you have a strong opposition to the model or to any of the listed
> badges or badge holders, please share the reasons openly.
>
> Hopefully by the end of next week we can give it a try to put it all into
> a single motion :D
>
> Best regards and blessings for all,
> Laura Victoria
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipend
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Martin Abente Lahaye <t...@sugarlabs.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Where can people find more information about the " open badges" proposal?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-02-24 13:51 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hello Again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hola Caryl,
>>>
>>>> The "Badge" proposal is a totally inappropriate use of SL funds and
>>>> could result in litigation and the possible end of SugarLabs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please do elaborate on this. We have already allocated stipends for
&

Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Dave Crossland]

On 24 February 2017 at 12:44, Samson Goddy  wrote:
> Also, if you have a strong opposition to the model or to any of the listed
> badges or badge holders, please share the reasons openly.

Where is the $42k coming from?
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Re: [IAEP] Sugar Labs 2017 Budget

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

Where can I read more about the sugar open badges? :)

On Feb 23, 2017 9:57 PM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:

Hello all! Hola a todos!

2016 Fiscal year is soon coming to its end (March 1st 2016 until February
28th 2017).

Subject to final reports from Adam, we must consider and project our
expenses of the 2017 fiscal year. I would like to help in a first draft.


>From the systems, marketing and funding threads, it has become clear Sugar
Labs Project basically requires:


*[1] To sponsor any motivated, active individuals in need to continue doing
the best they can to support our mission.*

- For this end I'm leading the initiative of Open Badges (12 Badges in
total, 6 with a US$ 500 monthly stipend) totaling US$36,000.
- Also for this end, Walter is leading the Outreachy internship initiative
with a budget of US$ 5,500.

*[2] To make sure our servers are safe and our systems are distributed.*

- For this end systems have required to budget and acquire a UPS for our
servers at MIT. On January Samuel quoted 3 options budget range of US$200 -
US$1.000.
- Please can anyone confirm if we require to maintain and budget for
additional infrastructure?

*[3] To maintain domains and trademarks*.

- As far as I understand only sugarlabs.org and sugarlabs.net will need to
be renewed this year at a estimated cost of less than US$100.
- Last year we spent $700 on trademark registration, I'm not sure if this
is a yearly fee, please can anyone confirm? I will assume it is.



*This give us a preliminary Total of Estimated Expenses for 2017 of
US$43,300  *


This is what I'm aware of, as the community still needs to define its
Marketing objectives and strategies and therefore it may be too soon to
estimate a Budget on that.

Please share any other initiatives or commitments that will require funds
for the 2017 fiscal year so we can get to work on a first draft!


Regards and blessings,



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Re: [IAEP] Motion for Social Media Manager

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On Feb 19, 2017 11:19 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:



On 18 Feb 2017 10:51 p.m., "Dave Crossland" <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

Hi

There is no need to pay for ads because these as companies offer free
credit to charities and libre projects like ours.


Other than Google that gives ads credit worth $10k a month. I don't think
facebook, twitter, instagram etc offers same. But if it true that would be
nice.


You maybe right Eg https://nonprofits.fb.com is just training info

http://www.thenonprofittimes.com/news-articles/2-million-in-facebook-ads-going-to-nonprofits/
was a temporary thing for
http://actionsprout.com/


As Caryl and Tony are discussing, the most basic things about the homepage
can be improved.


Was she talking about the homepage (website). There is a plan to redesign
it at GSOC. I am also learning web development to further add more features
to the site.


Yes, I encourage you to review Tony's email about it :)



I don't think a push on SMM is needed; indeed I don't think a push on any
marketing is needed, until the mission / vision / goals / objectives are
clarified, so the next few years have a direction. Until then as Samson
days it's going in circles, not growing.


Yeah i agree to this statement too, clearly we need mission statement to
clarify what our goals are and to really know what to market. Who is
responsible for these??


We are waiting for Sameer.

I agree with Caryl about ditching the Python code base; let OLPC deal with
it.


Caryl stated a good point too. I believe i mentioned it in the motion.
Letting people to more about Sugarizer. Because i believe that where the
future lies. But there is still nothing wrong with the python base.


There is now 1 real world deployment of sugarizer, thanks to efforts of the
OLPC France community. This is a huge step from last year when I rejoined
the community and there was not yet one. With that milestone now passed I
think I would have recommended the font editor gsoc be done with js not
Python.




On Feb 18, 2017 1:10 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:


At the last meeting, i proposed a motion concerning funding the Social
Media role, there where lot of questions asked. So this is the updated
document, i think is something SL should really consider for the future of
Sugar Labs. Below are the links of Social Media that already exist.


 [1]  https://www.facebook.com/SugarLabsforall/

 [2]   https://twitter.com/sugar_labs

 [3]https://www.linkedin.com/company/454719?trk=vsrp_companies_c
luster_name=VSRPsearchId%3A1954828041487359711037%
2CVSRPtargetId%3A454719%2CVSRPcmpt%3Acompanies_cluster

 [4]https://www.instagram.com/sugarlabsforall/
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Re: [IAEP] Motion for Social Media Manager

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

There is no need to pay for ads because these as companies offer free
credit to charities and libre projects like ours.

As Caryl and Tony are discussing, the most basic things about the homepage
can be improved.

I don't think a push on SMM is needed; indeed I don't think a push on any
marketing is needed, until the mission / vision / goals / objectives are
clarified, so the next few years have a direction. Until then as Samson
days it's going in circles, not growing.

I agree with Caryl about ditching the Python code base; let OLPC deal with
it.


On Feb 18, 2017 1:10 AM, "Samson Goddy"  wrote:


At the last meeting, i proposed a motion concerning funding the Social
Media role, there where lot of questions asked. So this is the updated
document, i think is something SL should really consider for the future of
Sugar Labs. Below are the links of Social Media that already exist.


 [1]  https://www.facebook.com/SugarLabsforall/

 [2]   https://twitter.com/sugar_labs

 [3]https://www.linkedin.com/company/454719?trk=vsrp_
companies_cluster_name=VSRPsearchId%3A1954828041487359711037%
2CVSRPtargetId%3A454719%2CVSRPcmpt%3Acompanies_cluster

 [4]https://www.instagram.com/sugarlabsforall/
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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] The first Sugarizer deployment is now live!

[Dave Crossland]

This is HUGE! Congratts to Lionel and the OLPC France and Sugarizer
communities! :)
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Google Code In wrap up

[Dave Crossland]

Regarding a possible move from IRC to Slack, or Gitter, or something else
as suggested by Ignacio, I wonder that we could just upgrade
http://chat.sugarlabs.org from qwebchat to http://demo.shout-irc.com :)
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[IAEP] Sugar Labs Vision/Mission/etc clarity

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Sameer

Back in June you posted a wonderful video about how to gain clarity
on Vision/Mission/etc - https://www.mail-archive.com/
iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg17035.html - and said that you'd follow up with
more soon - https://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/
msg17054.html :)

Would you like to schedule some time with me to go over your ideas and
prepare the next presentation? :)

No pressure, just let us know how we can help you :)

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Re: [IAEP] Motion #1-2017 Future of Sugar Labs - Elections 2016

[Dave Crossland]

Thanks Laura! This sounds good to me

Happy New year to all

On Dec 31, 2016 6:39 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

Helllo all! Hola a todos!

I'm addressing the community and the Oversight Board with great news as
Ignacio, Samson and I (Laura), understanding the mission of the Oversight
Board (to ensure the Sugar Labs community has clarity of purpose and means
to collaborate in achieving its goals), would like to *confirm our
intention to become part of the Board for the 2016-2018 period*.

As interested as we are in participating, we have decided to unite our
forces in order to help out with this year's election. From 2015 election's
call [1], we understand there are 3 seats available for the period
2016-2018 and will be calling openly for additional candidates to make it a
fair election :D

According to our time availability we have pre-agreed on the following
election schedule:

01 Additional candidates call and deadline: January 7 to January 21.

02 If by January 22 we have more than this 3 candidates, we will need to
have members list debugged by the 30th of January. If by January 22 we
don't have any additional candidates, we would have 3 candidates for the 3
board places and no election may be necessary.

03 Send ballots and run the elections for the period from February 1 to the
28th of 2017.


Hopefully current Board members will find it convenient to second the
following motion for approval during the upcoming Slobs January's meeting:


*Motion 1 for January 2017's meeting:*

"To appoint volunteers Ignacio Rodriguez, Samson Goddoy and Laura Vargas as
the new elections and membership committee, with the purpose of debugging
current membership list and running the 2016's elections for the 3 seats at
the Board available for the 2016-2018 period and to appoint Dave Crossland
as an impartial election oversight party."


Regards and may the holidays find you all in a good cycle of joy and
renovation!


[1] http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_dd38dc6aa11d1a98

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[IAEP] Meet the Pinebook, a $89 ARM Laptop

[Dave Crossland]

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/11/pinebook-arm-laptop-runs-ubuntu

This looks more promising than other options
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[IAEP] Google VR "Expeditions" in UK schools

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

https://www.blog.google/products/google-vr/google-expeditions-comes-to-uk-taking/

Interesting :)

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On 3 December 2016 at 19:54, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

> I pray to the Gods for your forgiveness!!! :D
>

lol


> 2016-12-02 23:21 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com>:
>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I checked the http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-12-02 log
>> - sorry I couldn't make it, was in transit at that time. Sameer, sorry to
>> hear about your colleague. No pressure, just looking forward to your next
>> installment - when you can :)
>>
>> On 2 December 2016 at 12:36, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would assume they *do* wish to stand for re-election.
>>>
>> Tony, Jose Miguel, and Claudia, please could you reply to this email
>> confirming or denying your wish to stand for reelection in 2017.
>>
>
> If you don't set clear deadlines don't expect execution. // Please set a
> deadline :D
>

Whoever runs the election should set deadlines (and make application pages
:)

> The publicity on this has been terrible.
>>>
>> Actually non-existent, because there is nothing to publicize.
>>
>>> I don't know who is in charge,
>>>
>> No one is in charge.
>>
>
> You are in charge Dave! we know you can do it :D
>

Sadly I will not have any real spare time to work on this kind of thing
until December 18/19/20, and then no time until Jan 7, and then Jan 28/29.
My calendar is completely full with work/family/friends obligations until
then.

SLOBs, do you have a 'semi-legal' duty to perform the election before a
certain date?

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Dave Crossland]

On 5 December 2016 at 07:15, José Miguel García <logo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hola!
>
> 2016-12-04 2:34 GMT-03:00 Sameer Verma <sve...@sfsu.edu>:
>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > I checked the http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-12-02
>> log -
>> > sorry I couldn't make it, was in transit at that time. Sameer, sorry to
>> hear
>> > about your colleague. No pressure, just looking forward to your next
>> > installment - when you can :)
>> >
>>
>
> No pude encontrar la página de postulaciones para el año 2017. No sería
> ese el lugar natural para que se realizaran, en lugar de una cadena de
> correo?
>

Yes, whoever runs the election should make an applications page. ;)

[ Sí, quien ejecuta la elección debe hacer una página de solicitudes. ;) ]


> Me alegro que haya jóvenes que quieran sumarse!
>

Yes, I agree!! :)

[ ¡¡Sí estoy de acuerdo!! ]



> >Thank you. Apart from the personal loss, we've had to pick up his
>> >classes, which has been difficult to manage along with everything
>> >else. I do have some stuff lined up for us. My semester ends in two
>> >weeks.
>> >
>> > On 2 December 2016 at 12:36, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I would assume they do wish to stand for re-election.
>> >
>> > Tony, Jose Miguel, and Claudia, please could you reply to this email
>> > confirming or denying your wish to stand for reelection in 2017.
>> >
>>
>
> Si bien entiendo que el lugar de definir las postulaciones no es este, y
> habiendo interesantes candidatos nuevo, no me presentaré este año.
>

Cool :D So, what I am wondering is if there are only 3 people seeking
(re)election and 3 slots open, then there is no need for the election. XD

[ Enfriar :D Por lo tanto, lo que me pregunto es si hay sólo 3 personas que
buscan (re) elección y 3 espacios abiertos, entonces no hay necesidad de la
elección. XD ]

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

I checked the http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-12-02 log -
sorry I couldn't make it, was in transit at that time. Sameer, sorry to
hear about your colleague. No pressure, just looking forward to your next
installment - when you can :)

On 2 December 2016 at 12:36, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> I would assume they *do* wish to stand for re-election.
>
Tony, Jose Miguel, and Claudia, please could you reply to this email
confirming or denying your wish to stand for reelection in 2017.


> The publicity on this has been terrible.
>
Actually non-existent, because there is nothing to publicize.


> I don't know who is in charge,
>
No one is in charge.

> but they should have made sure they sent several reminders of deadlines to
> file for candidacy. In fact, was there ever an announcement sent out to all
> of the membership asking if they wish to run and giving deadlines and a
> timeline? I didn't see even one. This has always been done in the past. It
> looks like someone is trying to rig the election! (Sorry... but that is how
> some of us from the US feel about elections right now!
>
There is no election to be rigged ;)

On 2 December 2016 at 18:45, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> What I don't understand is why it wasn't made (or delegated) on time? this
> should have been done in September-October and November, don't you agree?


Well, sure - shoulda woulda coulda :)

I said I would do some things, and I did not do them, and no one else has
said anything about any of this I apologise.

- I ought to have been more proactive, and said in September when all my
time got taken with my employment that I wouldn't be able to do anything,
as I had said I would

- Each SLOB ought to have been more proactive, realised the obligation to
run the election, and solicited a new volunteer

- Anyone else active in the community could have been more proactive on this

But no one was. Alas!

Now, rather than focusing on who in this very small community ought to have
done, I suggest we all focus on moving forwards and suggest what we may do
as next steps.

I am unlikely to have any real spare time from now until mid-January. I'm
happy for anyone to ask me to do something and I'll do what I can, but
basically I'm checked out until then.

# https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRh_vgS2dFE #
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Dave Crossland]

On 2 December 2016 at 11:28, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

>
>
> 2016-12-02 11:27 GMT-05:00 Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com>:
>
>>
>> On 2 December 2016 at 11:24, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like we have 3 seats for 3 candidates :D
>>>
>>
>> 6 candidates, assuming the 3 people in those 3 seats want to stand for
>> reeleection?
>>
>
> Why would you assume this?
>

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why would you not? :D

lol :)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Dave Crossland]

On 2 December 2016 at 11:24, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Looks like we have 3 seats for 3 candidates :D
>

6 candidates, assuming the 3 people in those 3 seats want to stand for
reeleection?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

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On 2 December 2016 at 09:19, Walter Bender  wrote:

> I have heard nothing from the Election/Membership committee about any
> update.


I hope my email last night could serve as such an update :)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Future of Sugar Labs

[Dave Crossland]

There is a IAEP thread "Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election" in early
August that has more details about all this.

First, I want to note that while an 'election committee' has been
mentioned, Walter said in that earlier thread:

I am of the opinion that SLOB does not have to approve individual
membership in committees. SLOB responsibility vis-a-vis committees is to
appoint a representative. So I don't think we need a motion.


As Caryl and Seb have reiterated on this thread: while they both helped run
the election last year, they both said a few months ago that they are
unable to volunteer for this year.

At that time I offered to volunteer, as did Samson; and I found a possible
web app to run the election and suggested Samuel Cantero could set it up,
and he graciously did set it up.

However, by September, (a) the GSOC project to make a font editor activity
wound up, and (b)  Sameer offered to lead the vision thing, and until that
is done I am not confident about taking any other actions, and (c) I
accepted an employment offer by Google and have had less free time since
then compared to when I was working as a consultant, so I haven't done more
of the things I said I would do. I wrote on August 5:


So, I volunteer to do the following before the next SLOB meeting:

- I will ask Sam C to set up a new sugar-annou...@lists.sugarlabs.org mailing
list with himself, myself, samson, caryl and seb as list admins.

- I will complete the review of all accounts on the wiki to mark the ones
that look like spammers

- I will make a final 'all possible members' email list

- I will draft the email that asks people to join the announce list and
explains why I am asking them to do this, and a motion to approve the
election email, and share it on the IAEP list for community review

- I will ask SLOBs to post and second the motion

Then in early September I can send the email, and prepare a report with the
new list of members and similarly to before another draft email soliciting
board applications for SLOB to review and approve in the October meeting.

Then in early October I can send that email, perhaps also with the donation
request, and then prepare a final email calling for votes that SLOB can
review and approve in the November meeting.

Then in early November the call for votes can go out, votes can come in,
and in early December the results can be announced.


I still think this process is a good one, but regretfully I am not going to
be able to put much effort into this until January at the earliest.

So, I suggest that Samson and anyone who wants to volunteer to run the
election take a look at that web app with Sam C and see if it really will
work for Sugar Labs in 2016.

If not, http://civs.cs.cornell.edu was used last year and should be a
suitable mechanism for people to cast votes.

Finally, I think the very next step is for whoever volunteers to run the
election to come up with a list of members emails to solicit votes from.
(Where the discussions last trailed off was in discussing who should be on
this 'final members list' - I think we agreed to cast a very wide net, and
I made some progress reviewing wiki accounts and, defining the members list
based on wiki + mailing list posters. I am happy to share that WIP and
explain what I would do next with it, but it may be better for the person
to start their own list.)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Future of Sugar Labs

[Dave Crossland]

The discussion stopped because we are waiting for Sameer to publish the
second episode of his video about the process of formally defining a
vision, mission, goals, tasks and doing a swot analysis and so on.

Sameer proposed and I think we all agreed that each of us throwing our own
unilateral attempts at each other was not productive

(resent from correct email address)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Walter!

On 6 October 2016 at 19:37, Walter Bender  wrote:

> We have a meeting on Friday, 7 October at 3PM EST [1] on irc.freenode.net
> #sugar-meeting.
>
> Among other topics, we will be discussing the upcoming electron, Turtle
> Art Day(s), and the next software release.
>

Thanks for the reminder; sadly I won't be able to make it. Sam C has made
the voting web app container I suggested, but I didn't make time to follow
up with trying it out. I invite the community to do so :)

Cheers
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Re: [IAEP] 100 Application

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

The google adwords grant account owned by Conservancy is in place, but I
didn't take time to set anything up.

I'd like to work more on the website, but I've been focused on my day job
(and will be for a few more weeks, at least)


On 4 October 2016 at 09:53, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> That's nice Samson,
>
> Every action counts.
>
> Dave, Caryl
>
> Any news on your side?
>
> Regards
>
> 2016-10-04 0:28 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>> That's nice Laura. I just mail SFC to reduce $20 from my $3660 to pay
>> back into sugarlabs account for the donation task.
>>
>> Get Outlook for Android 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 5:36 AM +0100, "Laura Vargas" <
>> la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would like to share with the community, that I have successfully
>> submitted an application for the 100 grant from the John D. and
>> Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation (MacArthur Foundation).
>>
>> I have submitted the application under my personal name and according to
>> the guidelines in order to be able to meet the time line of the
>> competition. We will know if we make it to the finals by mid-november.
>>
>> Here a note from Forbes about the competition:
>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/bridgespan/2016/06/28/a-wow-mome
>> nt-in-us-philanthropy-macarthur-foundations-100-million-
>> competition/#642709746d42
>> Here is a link to an extract of the application:
>> http://pe.sugarlabs.org/ir/Red%20Esperanza
>> Here a link to the video-pitch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>> v=9DqQ7KAYjNk
>>
>> I thank in advance any contribution to the documentation as after
>> finishing the application I feel eager to start with HOPE.
>>
>> Regards and blessings to all.
>>
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>> Happy Learning!
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> I SomosAZUCAR.Org
>
> Identi.ca/Skype acaire
> IRC kaametza
>
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>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Another school with XO laptops.

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On 29 September 2016 at 17:49, samsongo...@hotmail.com <
samsongo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I believe they run an older version of sugar.. I will make contact with
> the school again concerning this.
>
> I would not be surprised if their version is 8-10 years old :)
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Another school with XO laptops.

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I'm keen to understand which release they run, and how they would like to
proceed to upgrade them :)
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Re: [IAEP] Yoruba localization contract completed

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Well done Samson & Team + Chris and Adam! :)
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Re: [IAEP] OLPC-SF Community Summit save the date

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The week after the GSOC Mentor Summit :)
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[IAEP] "Screens In Schools Are a $60 Billion Hoax" article in TIME

[Dave Crossland]

http://time.com/4474496/screens-schools-hoax/

Interesting quotes :)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

On 17 August 2016 at 21:32, Walter Bender  wrote:

> I'm fine with that, but is seems to be a change in policy.
>
>

We'll have to trust that they are Sugar users. Why would they want to join
> if they had no interest in the project? (I suppose we could get invaded by
> trolls, in which case we can "build a wall." But I see no evidence that
> that is a problem.)
>

Nor me - a luxury problem ;)


> - what criteria should be used to define what is and is not a Sugar Labs
 owned project?

>>>
>>> From 1 feet, I'd say if it is FOSS and focused on learning, it can
>>> qualify. But there also has to be an intention to have the project somehow
>>> connected to the Sugar community.
>>>
>>
>> Concretely, would each of these projects qualify?
>>
>> - Childsplay
>> - Scratch
>> - Squeak
>> - Tux Math
>> - Tux Paint
>> - XSCE
>>
>
> Sure. And don't forget gcompris.
>

Okay cool :) I think a single mail to each project's user list will be
sufficient, then.


> What do you think about hardware projects? Does Butia qualify? Rodi? What
> about RPi?
>

I think a single mail to each project's user list would also be fine.

Does the XO Infinity have a FOSS option or is it just Windows?
>

They will create a Sugar SKU if we can order 500 units or more, and they
will donate to Sugar Labs the same amount or more that they pay to MS for
Windows

(One Education doesn't use the XO trademark owned by OLPC Inc)

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

On 17 August 2016 at 21:11, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 17 August 2016 at 20:54, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 August 2016 at 20:41, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am of the opinion that SLOB does not have to approve individual
>>>>> membership in committees. SLOB responsibility vis-a-vis committees is to
>>>>> appoint a representative. So I don't think we need a motion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members doesn't specify a
>>>> representative; nor could I find a reference to one in the logs I mentioned
>>>> in my recent post. Was one appointed?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't recall. Could be me :)
>>>
>>
>> I suggest adding this to the next SLOB meeting agenda as a discussion
>> point (and possible immediate motion :)
>>
>
> +1
>
>>
>> This is a side issue though; the primary concerns of Caryl and myself
>> that we would appreciate SLOB guidance on are
>>
>> - what criteria should be used to define who is and is not eligible to be
>> counted as a Sugar Labs member?
>>
>
> I agree with the "big tent" premise. We have a diverse project with many
> parts. Contributions of all types are welcome and qualifying IMHO. Since we
> also try to blur the line between users and contributors, I am also of the
> opinion that a user who would like to be a member should be welcome.
>

Since it is libre software, anyone can be a user; thus you are proposing
that anyone who self-asserts to become a voting member by emailing
memb...@sugarlabs.org should be added to the membership list (which I
propose is itself a mailman mailing list.)

I'm fine with that, but is seems to be a change in policy.


> - what criteria should be used to define what is and is not a Sugar Labs
>> owned project?
>>
>
> From 1 feet, I'd say if it is FOSS and focused on learning, it can
> qualify. But there also has to be an intention to have the project somehow
> connected to the Sugar community.
>

Concretely, would each of these projects qualify?

- Childsplay
- Scratch
- Squeak
- Tux Math
- Tux Paint
- XSCE

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

On 17 August 2016 at 20:54, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 17 August 2016 at 20:41, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am of the opinion that SLOB does not have to approve individual
>>> membership in committees. SLOB responsibility vis-a-vis committees is to
>>> appoint a representative. So I don't think we need a motion.
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members doesn't specify a
>> representative; nor could I find a reference to one in the logs I mentioned
>> in my recent post. Was one appointed?
>>
>
> I don't recall. Could be me :)
>

I suggest adding this to the next SLOB meeting agenda as a discussion point
(and possible immediate motion :)

This is a side issue though; the primary concerns of Caryl and myself that
we would appreciate SLOB guidance on are

- what criteria should be used to define who is and is not eligible to be
counted as a Sugar Labs member?

- what criteria should be used to define what is and is not a Sugar Labs
owned project?

- is the proposed strategy of contacting anyone who has contributed or even
just registered with SL to ask if they would like to be a member (and
providing criteria if they say yes) appropriate?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

On 17 August 2016 at 20:41, Walter Bender  wrote:

> I am of the opinion that SLOB does not have to approve individual
> membership in committees. SLOB responsibility vis-a-vis committees is to
> appoint a representative. So I don't think we need a motion.


https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members doesn't specify a
representative; nor could I find a reference to one in the logs I mentioned
in my recent post. Was one appointed?
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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On 7 August 2016 at 13:48, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

>
> On 7 August 2016 at 10:44, Sebastian Silva <sebast...@fuentelibre.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Instead of raising the barrier to entry, I would prefer to enforce our
>> currency policy ("are you still interested in being a member?" - every
>> year) so that hopefully only active members get to vote.
>>
>
> I don't think that's precisely what is bein debated :)
>
> Rather, the issue is that we have to define who it is we consider worth
> asking if they are interested to be a member. I am happy to cast as wide a
> net as possible, while Caryl would like to cast the net wider in some ways
> and narrower in others, and would like SLOBs to decide rather than the
> delegated committee.
>

Do you have any further comments on how wide a net to cast here?

On 5 August 2016 at 19:11, I wrote in this thread:

>
> I agree that we could clarify how we determine what level of contribution
> counts to make one eligible for membership.
>
> I propose the following are sufficient:
>
> - owning a computer or being part of an organization that owns computers
> that regularly use Sugar
>
> - creating a wiki account and making 1 edit to the wiki
>
> - posting to a SL mailing list
>
> - contributing a patch to a sugar software package
>
> - owning a laptop.org or sugarlabs.org email account, now or in the past
>
> What are possible verifiable criteria are possible? Should any of these
> not count?
>

I saw https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members says, bold emphasis
mine:

Any "significant and sustained" contributor to Sugar Labs is eligible for
membership. Although it is difficult to specify a precise definition, a
contributor generally must have* contributed to a non-trivial improvement* of
the Sugar project or Sugar Labs activity. Contributions may be *code,
documentation, translations, maintenance of project-wide resources, running
a Sugar deployment, or other non-trivial activities which benefit Sugar
Labs.* Membership eligibility is an individual determination: while
contributions made in the course of employment will be considered, they
will generally be ascribed to the individuals involved, rather than
accruing to all employees of a "contributing" corporation. The Membership
and Elections Committee will oversee membership applications (Please apply
by sending email to members at sugarlabs.org).


I think all the items on my list above are trivial, and therefore if we
continue to use that membership bar, then none of those should count, but I
think most items can be 'significant and sustained' if they are qualified
by a specific volume metric, ie,

- managing an organization/deployment that regularly uses Sugar (note -
this excludes sugar users from being members)

- creating a wiki account and making 10+ edits to the wiki in the last 3-12
months

- posting to a SL mailing list 10+ times in the last 3-12 months

- contributing 10+ patches to any software package hosted in
github.com/sugarlabs or http://git.sugarlabs.org in the last 3-12 months

Should we include such criteria in the email to potential members, so they
can confirm they are on par within 2016? If so, what should the criteria be?

I am in favor of casting a wide net with a relatively low barrier, such
that anyone who wants to be a member can say make 10 list emails or wiki
edits 91 days or more before the election and qualify, but just saying "I
want to be a member" without any participation in the last year can not.

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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 August 2016 at 10:09, Samson Goddy  wrote:

> Yeah nice one dave! i will think of more!
>

Did you think of any? :)
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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Facebook Software Puts Students in Charge of Curating Their Own Lesson Plans

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Thanks for sharing this :)
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Re: [IAEP] TurtleArtDay.org domain transfer + new site

[Dave Crossland]

On 8 August 2016 at 17:06, Samuel Cantero  wrote:

> It is in zatoichi. The VM is hosted on justice. Do you need access? I can
> create an account for you.
>

Yes, please :)
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Re: [IAEP] TurtleArtDay.org domain transfer + new site

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

Sam, do you have access to the original site files? If so, could you
confirm where the files are - on sunjammer, perhaps?

On 2 August 2016 at 14:55, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Looking good!
>
> As a suggestion, after the text:
> "Sugar Labs® is supported by donations and is seeking funding to
> accelerate development."
>
> Some basic instructions might come in place, something like:
>
> "To make a donation, please get in contact with the IAEP mailing list."
>

Done!


> Would be great to have a version in Spanish too...
>

Please translate
https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtleartday.org/blob/gh-pages/README.md and
make a pull request :)

Maybe http://tortugarte.org/ can be available for the Tortugarte Day in the
> Spanish version?
>

It seems Paul Comfort owns this domain. I will email him.

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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

On 7 August 2016 at 10:44, Sebastian Silva 
wrote:

> Instead of raising the barrier to entry, I would prefer to enforce our
> currency policy ("are you still interested in being a member?" - every
> year) so that hopefully only active members get to vote.
>

I don't think that's precisely what is bein debated :)

Rather, the issue is that we have to define who it is we consider worth
asking if they are interested to be a member. I am happy to cast as wide a
net as possible, while Caryl would like to cast the net wider in some ways
and narrower in others, and would like SLOBs to decide rather than the
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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

On 7 August 2016 at 10:44, Sebastian Silva 
 wrote:

>
> Of course the committee has to agree on this.


I think we can reach consensus on this within August :)

However, more broadly, if a committee has to reach consensus, then there
needs to be some method of resolving disagreements within the committee; I
assume that will be by voting... and so then, I wonder, does there need to
be an odd number of committee members to prevent a hung decision? Or will,
for example, Walter providing a tie-breaking decision in such cases?


* * *


Also, I recalled this thread from a few months ago where Seb and Caryl
detailed some of the election history:

http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg16445.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg16467.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg16688.html


At the time I made a note on https://wiki.sugarlabs.or
g/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Currency_assurance_policy that says,

The most recent currency review was in January 2016.


>From the thread:

AH> Sebastian, do you recall how many emails bounced by Dec 15th 2015
AH> when you verified 79 active members
>
SS> Of the ~262(+/-) emails sent, 50 bounced. Identifying them will take
SS> some processing.

Seb, did you do this processing? If not, perhaps better to forget it. I
think as Caryl said in the thread,

CB> we need to go back to "square 1" on the active members list

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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

On 7 August 2016 at 10:44, Sebastian Silva 
wrote:

>
> In order to be appointed to Membership and Election committee a SLOBS vote
> was necessary


Ah yes, Seb invited me to join in the non-quorum meeting, and I see that
this isn't sufficient.

For Seb and Caryl (https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#
2015-04-06) I found the logs for the motion (http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/
sugar-meeting/meetings/2015-04-06T23:10:04#i_2838172). (For Samson, (
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2015-05-06) says
that it was done by email; I couldn't find anything in the logs (
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2015-05-04T23:07:10) or
IAEP archives so I guess its another accidentally-secret ballot ;)

Since the last meeting as non-quorum, I would like to suggest any SLOB to
make a motion via email, using the same phrasing as before:



A motion to appoint davelab6 to the election committee




Also, it seems per
http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep%40lists.sugarlabs.org/msg15526.html that
if appointed then I will need my email alias added to /etc/aliases on
sunjammer
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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

On Aug 6, 2016 11:29 PM, "Caryl Bigenho"  wrote:
>
>
>
> 
> From: d...@lab6.com
> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:29:13 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election
> To: ca...@laptop.org
> CC: cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org;
samsongo...@sugarlabs.org
>
>
> On 6 August 2016 at 16:01, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>>
>> I disagree about XSCE
>
>
> Is XSCE a Sugar Labs project?
>
> You will have to ask the XSCE folks that question.

I will do :) Do you have any suggestions for criteria to evaluate how to
define what is and is not a Sugar Labs owned project?

> As far as I know, the project is self-funded by the volunteers who work
on it. Most of them are members of Sugar Lab.

Yes, I've read their weekly call minutes and joined a call earlier this
year :) I encourage anyone who hasn't to also do so :)

Are there any other related projects like this you suggest reaching out to?
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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 August 2016 at 16:01, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> I disagree about XSCE


Is XSCE a Sugar Labs project?
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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On 6 August 2016 at 11:14, Chris Leonard  wrote:

> Contributions to L10n on http://translate.sugarlabs.org
>

Sounds good! Please can you extract and email me a list of all names/emails
of all translation contributions? :)

On 6 August 2016 at 11:13, Tony Anderson  wrote:

>
> Clearly we should be looking for people who are supporting or sponsoring
> XO deployments with Sugar.
>

I'm obviously happy to cast a wide net here, so, sure - please email me a
list of all names/emails of all such contributors :)

You also did not mention contributors to Sugar activities.
>

OK, I'll try to grep the git logs of the activities already Github as well
as the legacy Gitorious codebase.


> What about contributors to support-gang (albeit an olpc list)?
>

Nah, if support-gang or unleashkids or olpc-sf or any other related
community's members are not subscribed to any sugarlabs list, I don't think
they can qualify as as a Sugar Labs contributor :)

What about developers and users of xsce (school server)?
>

Nah, that's a related but separate project for me. There are lots of
projects in the libre edu tech space, I see no reason to reach out to
invite them to vote in the SLOB campaign.

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Re: [IAEP] Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

Glad to hear you were able to get some rest :D

On 5 August 2016 at 18:57, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>
> ...
> qualify by actually making some tangible "contribution" (not money) to
Sugar Labs
> [by] development of software or hardware, having a small deployment,
hosting Sugar
> Labs and OLPC events
> ...
> We should end up with, hopefully, a complete, up-to-date list, with
current
> valid email addresses, of all contributors to Sugar Labs projects (of any
kind)
> who desire to be members.

I agree that we could clarify how we determine what level of contribution
counts to make one eligible for membership.

I propose the following are sufficient:

- owning a computer or being part of an organization that owns computers
that regularly use Sugar

- creating a wiki account and making 1 edit to the wiki

- posting to a SL mailing list

- contributing a patch to a sugar software package

- owning a laptop.org or sugarlabs.org email account, now or in the past

What are possible verifiable criteria are possible? Should any of these not
count?

:)

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[IAEP] Translations Community Manager Blog & Summer Report

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Chris!

We missed you at the SLOB meeting today :)

Laura mentioned she received some PO files for a translation to Miksito,
and asked about funds availability.

Also for an update on the status of the Yoruba project, Samson said he got
the 1st payment! But it was short US$10, haha :) Will it be possible to add
$10 to the next payment? What's next?

I'm also curious about the state of the blog you said you were setting up.
I'm happy to set up a Jekyll blog for you, if that would be helpful (eg
http://sugarlabs.github.io/translations) and help edit any draft posts you
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[IAEP] Summer Finance Report & How to Appoint a FM?

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Adam

I'm curious if you have any news about the state of the finances?

In the SLOB meeting, Walter mentioned he thought you may be taking the lead
on deciding how to appoint a Financial Manager; if you don't expect to be
able to dive into the ledger-cli stuff in the summer months, perhaps you
could share some thoughts about this topic instead? :)

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[IAEP] What Babies Know About Physics and Foreign Languages - NYTimes.com

[Dave Crossland]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/opinion/sunday/what-babies-know-about-physics-and-foreign-languages.html

Nice piece that dog whistles for unschooling
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[IAEP] Scratch Community Manager Job (Boston area)

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

http://www.media.mit.edu/about/opportunities/scratch-community-manager-lifelong-kindergarten

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Re: [IAEP] TurtleArtDay.org domain transfer + new site

[Dave Crossland]

On 27 July 2016 at 00:46, Samuel Cantero  wrote:

> We can apply the same procedure for turtleartday.org.
>
>>
Yes, that will be perfect. I proposed some variant names for things in
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/turtleartday.org - please update this
page if your implementation differs :)
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Re: [IAEP] TurtleArtDay.org domain transfer + new site

[Dave Crossland]

On 26 July 2016 at 13:56, Bernie Innocenti  wrote:

> We already
> have an obsolete page here:
>
>   https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/www
>

I updated it.


> We should have a similar page for turtleart.org.
>

I made this as a start:

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/turtleartday.org

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Re: [IAEP] TurtleArtDay.org domain transfer + new site

[Dave Crossland]

On 26 July 2016 at 22:38, Samuel Cantero  wrote:

> Zone added.
>

Awesome! Thanks guys!


> Now we need to configure the site in freedom. Dave, in what is written the
> new site?
>

Its a jekyll site, I assume Sam P has used
https://developer.github.com/webhooks/ to set up freedom so that on each
commit to the master branch of https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs then
freedom pulls that repo master branch and runs jekyll to update
the www.sl.o website

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Re: [IAEP] TurtleArtDay.org domain transfer + new site

[Dave Crossland]

On 26 July 2016 at 13:56, Bernie Innocenti <ber...@codewiz.org> wrote:

> On 26/07/16 13:24, Dave Crossland wrote:
> > OK :) Would you like to create a container on freedom for a nginx
> > server, that is set up similarly to how Sam P has set up
> > www.sugarlabs.org <http://www.sugarlabs.org> on freedom?
> >
> > Sam P, could you describe anything special you did to set up freedom for
> > the main website?
>
> Would be good to document this once and for all in the wiki. We already
> have an obsolete page here:
>
>   https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/www
>
> We should have a similar page for turtleart.org. I've been pondering the
> idea of requiring people to draft the documentation of future services
> in the wiki *before* granting them access to the host where the work is
> to be done. It may sound a bit fascist, but I can't think of another way
> to keep our documentation up to date ;-)


Sounds good to me :)
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Re: [IAEP] TurtleArtDay.org domain transfer + new site

[Dave Crossland]

On 26 July 2016 at 13:16, Samuel Cantero <scante...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> On 26 July 2016 at 13:03, Samuel Cantero <scante...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> On 18 July 2016 at 14:48, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2 July 2016 at 17:29, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Claudia can follow
>>>>>> https://wiki.gandi.net/en/domains/transfer/fromgodaddy
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I worked with Claudia on this and she has just sent the auth code to
>>>>> Bernie. Thank you Claudia!
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed the domain needs renewal on September 24 this year, so would
>>>>> be great to be ready for that when the finance manager is appointed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for renewing it Bernie!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2. Bernie can follow https://wiki.gandi.net/en/domains/transfer
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bernie, let me know if you'd like me to carry this out for you, or Sam
>>>>> C, etc :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good news - over the weekend I met up with Bernie at HOPE and he
>>>> figured out how to authorize the transfer with GoDaddy, so the transfer is
>>>> now complete.
>>>>
>>>> Bad news - right now it seems http://www.turtleartday.org is down
>>>> again; I assume this is because the Gandhi.net hosting transfer is complete
>>>> but the A records are now not set up.
>>>>
>>>
>>> According to whois, turtleartday.org is pointing out to these NS:
>>>
>>> Name Server: NS66.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
>>> Name Server: NS65.DOMAINCONTROL.COM
>>>
>>> We should modify it to point out to ns1.sugarlabs.org and add the DNS
>>> records.
>>>
>>
>> Yes that sounds ideal :)
>>
>
> I guess Bernie has access to the platform. Do you also have access? Who
> can change the NS?
>

I do not have access; if you don't have access to the www.gandi.net control
panel to change the nameservers, I suggest you work with Bernie to set up
your access :)

 I can add the DNS records for turtleartday.org after we define where to
> host.
>

Would you like to set up a A record for turtleartday.org pointing to
freedom's IP, and a CNAME record pointing www. at the domain.


>>>>
>>>>> A. I offer to port the existing website to
>>>>>> https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtleartday.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've done the content for this, and the next step is to do the CSS/JS.
>>>>> I hope to do that next weekend.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> B. I ask Sam to set up another git hook on the sugar webserver to
>>>>>> keep that repo sync'd with the webserver
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sam, no need to do this before the CSS is ready, I think :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The CSS is now ready - please see
>>>> https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtleartday.org (with live preview at
>>>> https://sugarlabs.github.io/turtleartday.org)
>>>>
>>>> So now the next steps are for the A records to be set up (if needed);
>>>> and github webhooks made so that the sugar webserver keep the repo sync'd
>>>> with the webserver, or, to point the A records to 192.30.252.153 and
>>>> 192.30.252.154 and create a CNAME file in the repo.
>>>>
>>>> Where are we going to host the site?
>>>
>>
>> I think we should use a similar set up to www.sugarlabs.org - how is
>> that hosted?
>>
>
> It is hosted in freedom, but it is not inside a container. We just use
> nginx. It was set up by Sam P. Are we using the same technologies?
>

OK :) Would you like to create a container on freedom for a nginx server,
that is set up similarly to how Sam P has set up www.sugarlabs.org on
freedom?

Sam P, could you describe anything special you did to set up freedom for
the main website?

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Re: [IAEP] TurtleArtDay.org domain transfer + new site

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On 18 July 2016 at 14:48, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

> On 2 July 2016 at 17:29, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> 1. Claudia can follow
>> https://wiki.gandi.net/en/domains/transfer/fromgodaddy
>>
>
> I worked with Claudia on this and she has just sent the auth code to
> Bernie. Thank you Claudia!
>
> I noticed the domain needs renewal on September 24 this year, so would be
> great to be ready for that when the finance manager is appointed.
>

Thanks for renewing it Bernie!


> 2. Bernie can follow https://wiki.gandi.net/en/domains/transfer
>>
>
> Bernie, let me know if you'd like me to carry this out for you, or Sam C,
> etc :)
>

Good news - over the weekend I met up with Bernie at HOPE and he figured
out how to authorize the transfer with GoDaddy, so the transfer is now
complete.

Bad news - right now it seems http://www.turtleartday.org is down again; I
assume this is because the Gandhi.net hosting transfer is complete but the
A records are now not set up.


> A. I offer to port the existing website to
>> https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtleartday.org
>>
>
> I've done the content for this, and the next step is to do the CSS/JS. I
> hope to do that next weekend.
>
>
>> B. I ask Sam to set up another git hook on the sugar webserver to keep
>> that repo sync'd with the webserver
>>
>
> Sam, no need to do this before the CSS is ready, I think :)
>

The CSS is now ready - please see
https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtleartday.org (with live preview at
https://sugarlabs.github.io/turtleartday.org)

So now the next steps are for the A records to be set up (if needed); and
github webhooks made so that the sugar webserver keep the repo sync'd with
the webserver, or, to point the A records to 192.30.252.153 and
192.30.252.154 and create a CNAME file in the repo.

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Re: [IAEP] Wiki Gardening, August 6/7?

[Dave Crossland]

Sadly Walter isn't available that weekend. The next weekend I could travel
to Boston is October 13/14/15, the weekend before the OLPCSF Community
Summit
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Re: [IAEP] TurtleArtDay.org domain transfer + new site

[Dave Crossland]

On 21 July 2016 at 17:46, Bernie Innocenti  wrote:

> Are you sure there's nothing else to do on the GoDaddy side? The
> transfer is still waiting for authorization on the Gandi side.


I couldn't see anything else when I logged in; Claudia, I'm sorry if you
get more emails with new authorization codes, I think when searching for
all options I triggered another code request.

Bernie, I note that your email said of step 4, "Note: This step is
optional; the transfer will proceed automatically after timeout unless
denied by the current registrar." How long is the timeout?

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Re: [IAEP] Revision 50 of the Sugar Labs Fundraising Committe notes

[Dave Crossland]

On 19 July 2016 at 00:24, Sebastian Silva  wrote:

> Donations will be recognized separately.


Except the appear not to be,  per https://www.debian.org/donations#donors
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Re: [IAEP] Revision 50 of the Sugar Labs Fundraising Committe notes

[Dave Crossland]

On 18 July 2016 at 23:15, Sebastian Silva  wrote:

> El 18/07/16 a las 19:55, Laura Vargas escribió:
> > How does Google resonate with SL values more than Microsoft?
> They should mean the same really. I see nothing wrong with accepting
> their funds.
>
> That doesn't mean that we endorse technology that doesn't respect a
> user's rights.
>
> In fact - producers of such technology should help offset the evil they
> do by actively supporting Free (Libre) Software. Kind of how polluters
> offset their carbon footprint by buying carbon bonds (for funding
> reforestation/conservation).
>

I think the way the FSF and Debian handle sponsorship is good.

If MS gave SL money, and asked for its logo on the website in a similar
way, would anyone object?

The FSF shows Google, IBM and HP logos on https://www.fsf.org/patrons

Debian shows HP logo on https://www.debian.org/partners/

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Re: [IAEP] Revision 50 of the Sugar Labs Fundraising Committe notes

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On 18 July 2016 at 20:55, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> "Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it
> universally accessible and useful."
>
> This can be done with 100% free/libre software: no conflict with SL active
> members values.
>

Microsoft's mission: "Our mission is to empower every person and every
organization on the planet to achieve more."

This can be done with 100% free/libre software: no conflict with SL active
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Re: [IAEP] TurtleArtDay.org domain transfer + new site

[Dave Crossland]

Hi

On 2 July 2016 at 17:29, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

>
>
> 1. Claudia can follow
> https://wiki.gandi.net/en/domains/transfer/fromgodaddy
>

I worked with Claudia on this and she has just sent the auth code to
Bernie. Thank you Claudia!

I noticed the domain needs renewal on September 24 this year, so would be
great to be ready for that when the finance manager is appointed.


> 2. Bernie can follow https://wiki.gandi.net/en/domains/transfer
>

Bernie, let me know if you'd like me to carry this out for you, or Sam C,
etc :)


> A. I offer to port the existing website to
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtleartday.org
>

I've done the content for this, and the next step is to do the CSS/JS. I
hope to do that next weekend.


> B. I ask Sam to set up another git hook on the sugar webserver to keep
> that repo sync'd with the webserver
>

Sam, no need to do this before the CSS is ready, I think :)

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Re: [IAEP] Over a thousand xo laptop still exist in Nigeria(re-sugarlabs)

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Samson!

On 18 July 2016 at 12:07, Samson Goddy  wrote:

>
> As you know Sugar Labs is planing Turtle Art day in Abuja, Nigeria which
> the agenda to re sugar OS in Nigeria. I was posting about the workshop
> today via Facebook, After that i got a call from an old friend called Ubong
> Henry in Akwa -Ibom state in Nigeria. Claudia Urrea knows him well. So he
> told me that his school still has over a thousand laptops that he has been
> trying to be in touch of SL. He told me that he was talking to Sameer Verma
> but he got no replies. So he want to re-sugar OS in his community and he
> will like to have a meeting with us. I think the turtle art day is really
> going to pay off in Nigeria
>

Wow that is fantastic! Are these XO-1 machines, or another model?

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