Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[James Flusche]

Use the Microsoft media creation tool  to update, to the anniversary update
for W-10. Works great.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Marek Durila
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:44 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect


Hi,
I am waiting for update as well.
It is interesting, on one computer, where I did fresh installation and
installed Jaws no problems.
But in second still waiting and I was surprised with video display issues,
because Freedom released now new version of Jaws and it is surprising for
me, why is this happening.



 

 Regards,

 

 Marek Durila

 Nordic Health Check - Perform Health Check Team Member

 IBM Client Innovation Centre Central Europe

 

 

 

 

 Phone: 420-53341-4788 | Mobile: 420-605-031-743
Technicka 21 
 E-mail: marek_dur...@cz.ibm.com
Brno, 61600 
 Czech
Republic 
 






"JAWS-Users-List"  wrote on
04.08.2016 22:40:23:

> From: "Joseph Lee" 
> To: 
> Date: 04.08.2016 22:41
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
expect
> Sent by: "JAWS-Users-List" 
>
> Hi all,
> I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607
propagate
> throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now
VFO)
> are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those 
> upgrading
via
> MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party
screen
> readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who said 
> it affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent 
> out yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on
Windows
> Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in 
> Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT
(trying
> to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable to 
> use Windows Update.
> The advisories and related threads are:
> * Update to 1607, no go:
>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0

> ,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
> * Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:
>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=

> ,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
> * Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:
>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p

> =,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
> For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion
around
> Windows 10 Anniversary Update.
>
> As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many 
> things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
> * Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in 
> consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with 
> the Windows NT kernel restructuring, things that goes into core basic
components
> will be found on all devices running Windows 10 Anniversary Update 
> (PC's, smartphones, HoloLens, Xbox, Server 2016, IoT and so on)).
> * Vastly improved UI Automation.
> * Much better Edge that opens up possibilities via extensions (touch
cursor
> must be employed), UIA attribute changes and no longer allows 
> traditional ways of virtual cursor to function (the last one came from 
> a recent Main Menu podcast).
> * Settings app reorganized, including the behavior Jim described earlier.
> * New settings in Settings app, including universal dark theme,
projecting
> screen content from Windows 10 Mobile or another PC, app notification 
> priorities, dedicated subcategory for Windows Insider Program, ability 
> to prevent Windows Update from being attempted at a predefined time 
> period, rearrange and enable/disable quick actions and more.
> * Control Panel's Taskbar properties has moved to Settings app.
> * Start menu: reorganized, first-letter navigation partially returns 
> (see Jim's notes).
> * Action Center: when you press Escape, Action Center will close 
> instead
of
> focus moving to a quick action.
> * Press Delete from Action Center to remove notifications.
> * Toasts (app notifications) no longer fires tooltip event, 
> potentially confusing screen readers. A slight modification to FSUIA 
> or related UIA handling code in jfw.exe must be modified to recognize 
> window open event instead and to keep an eye on UIA attribute 
> differences between normal
and
> priority toasts.
> * Skype Preview app is usable to some extent (touch cursor should be 
> employed in some cases).
> * For Home and Pro, You cannot turn off Cortana easily (you need to go 
> deeper into Group Policy to change this). You can do this easily 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Marek Durila]

Hi,
I am waiting for update as well.
It is interesting, on one computer, where I did fresh installation and
installed Jaws no problems.
But in second still waiting and I was surprised with video display issues,
because Freedom released now new version of Jaws and it is surprising for
me, why is this happening.




   
 Regards,   
   

   
 Marek Durila   
   
 Nordic Health Check - Perform Health Check Team Member 
   
 IBM Client Innovation Centre Central Europe
   

   






 Phone: 420-53341-4788 | Mobile: 420-605-031-743   
Technicka 21 
 E-mail: marek_dur...@cz.ibm.comBrno, 
61600 
 Czech 
Republic 







"JAWS-Users-List"  wrote on
04.08.2016 22:40:23:

> From: "Joseph Lee" 
> To: 
> Date: 04.08.2016 22:41
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
expect
> Sent by: "JAWS-Users-List" 
>
> Hi all,
> I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607
propagate
> throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now
VFO)
> are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading
via
> MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party
screen
> readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who said it
> affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
> yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on
Windows
> Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
> Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT
(trying
> to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable to use
> Windows Update.
> The advisories and related threads are:
> * Update to 1607, no go:
>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0

> ,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
> * Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:
>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=

> ,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
> * Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:
>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p

> =,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
> For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion
around
> Windows 10 Anniversary Update.
>
> As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
> things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
> * Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
> consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with the
> Windows NT kernel restructuring, things that goes into core basic
components
> will be found on all devices running Windows 10 Anniversary Update (PC's,
> smartphones, HoloLens, Xbox, Server 2016, IoT and so on)).
> * Vastly improved UI Automation.
> * Much better Edge that opens up possibilities via extensions (touch
cursor
> must be employed), UIA attribute changes and no longer allows traditional
> ways of virtual cursor to function (the last one came from a recent Main
> Menu podcast).
> * Settings app reorganized, including the behavior Jim described earlier.
> * New settings in Settings app, including universal dark theme,
projecting
> screen content from Windows 10 Mobile or another PC, app notification
> priorities, dedicated subcategory for Windows Insider Program, ability to
> prevent Windows Update from being attempted at a predefined time period,
> rearrange and enable/disable quick actions and more.
> * Control Panel's Taskbar properties has moved to Settings app.
> * Start menu: reorganized, first-letter navigation partially returns (see
> Jim's notes).
> * Action Center: when you press Escape, Action Center will close instead
of
> focus moving to a quick action.
> * Press Delete from Action Center to remove notifications.
> * Toasts (app notifications) no longer fires tooltip event, potentially
> confusing screen readers. A 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Joseph Lee]

Hi,
You're welcome anytime. I still don't get why this was happening...
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 5:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Joseph, OK.  After restarting the computer I can now move between more than
two windows with the alt tab.  Sorry to get you scratching your head.
Thanks for your help.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:56 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
> Hmmm, that's odd... What do you see when you open Task View (Windows=TAB)?
> If you don't mind, I'll forward this to Win10 forum so people over 
> there can contact you directly.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:51 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to 
> expect
>
> Thanks Joseph but I still can alt tab only between two open windows 
> after choosing all desktops.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
> Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
> --Dalai Lama
>
> On 8/4/2016 7:36 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Ah, default virtual desktops setting might be in effect... Are you 
>> using multiple virtual desktops (that is, can you navigate between 
>> them by pressing Control+Windows+left or right arrows)? Try:
>> 1. Press Windows+I to open Settings, then navigate to 
>> System/Multitasking (select the subcategory and press ENTER).
>> 2. Press TAB until you arrive at "Pressing Alt+Tab shows windows that 
>> are open on" combo box.
>> 3. If you see "only the desktop I'm using", select "all desktops". 
>> Press
> TAB
>> and your preference will be saved.
>> Let us know if this doesn't resolve the problem.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
>> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:27 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
> expect
>> The only issue I've  seen with the upgrade is that I can only alt tab 
>> between two open windows, even though I have more than two open.  If
> anyone
>> can help me remedy this, I'd love it.  Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maria Campbell
>> luc...@gmail.com
>>
>> Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
>> Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
>> --Dalai Lama
>>
>> On 8/4/2016 7:16 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
>>> I have upgraded with no issues. well I mostly use NVDA I have a jaws 
>>> demo on here as a secondary screen reader in case i need it for 
>>> something. I hope though that VFO or freedom scientific makes a free 
>>> jaws tied to ms-office or something though so I don't have to 
>>> restart every 40 minutes. because I think jaws is better and has 
>>> some more useful features than window eyes does.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/4/2016 6:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
 Hi,
 Not quite: FS is aware of display compatibility issue. If you don't 
 get the error, you can go ahead nad upgrad,e otherwise it is best 
 to wait for a while.
 Cheers,
 Joseph

 -Original Message-
 From: JAWS-Users-List 
 [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
 On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
 Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:11 PM
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes 
 to expect

 or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media 
 creation tool and choose upgrade.



 On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi all,
> I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607 
> propagate throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom 
> Scientific (now
 VFO)
> are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those 
> upgrading
 via
> MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some 
> third-party
 screen
> readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who 
> said it affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and 
> others sent out yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 
> 1607 to show up on Windows Update, or if you really like to use 
> MCT, you need to fiddle around in Device Manager, uninstall 
> whichever display driver is offending MCT
 (trying
> to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable 
> to use Windows Update.
> The advisories and related threads are:
> * Update to 1607, no go:
>
> 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Joseph Lee]

Hi,
Uh oh, something really odd might be going on... Have you tried with
Narrator with the same results, and is this with Anniversary Update? If so,
try contacting MS accessibility support desk and see what's next.
In the meantime, I'll forward this thread to Win10 group (if you give me
permission) so others can investigate.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 5:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

When I press the windows plus tab I only hear the same window each time I
press these keys, and then when using alt tab I hear new desktop.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 8:19 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
> Windows+TAB.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 5:03 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
expect
>
> Sorry.  I don't know how to open task view I don't think?
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
> Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
> --Dalai Lama
>
> On 8/4/2016 7:56 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Hmmm, that's odd... What do you see when you open Task View
(Windows=TAB)?
>> If you don't mind, I'll forward this to Win10 forum so people over
>> there can contact you directly.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
>> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:51 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
>> expect
>>
>> Thanks Joseph but I still can alt tab only between two open windows
>> after choosing all desktops.
>>
>>
>> Maria Campbell
>> luc...@gmail.com
>>
>> Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
>> Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
>> --Dalai Lama
>>
>> On 8/4/2016 7:36 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Ah, default virtual desktops setting might be in effect... Are you
>>> using multiple virtual desktops (that is, can you navigate between
>>> them by pressing Control+Windows+left or right arrows)? Try:
>>> 1. Press Windows+I to open Settings, then navigate to
>>> System/Multitasking (select the subcategory and press ENTER).
>>> 2. Press TAB until you arrive at "Pressing Alt+Tab shows windows that
>>> are open on" combo box.
>>> 3. If you see "only the desktop I'm using", select "all desktops".
>>> Press
>> TAB
>>> and your preference will be saved.
>>> Let us know if this doesn't resolve the problem.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:27 PM
>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
>> expect
>>> The only issue I've  seen with the upgrade is that I can only alt tab
>>> between two open windows, even though I have more than two open.  If
>> anyone
>>> can help me remedy this, I'd love it.  Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maria Campbell
>>> luc...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
>>> Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
>>> --Dalai Lama
>>>
>>> On 8/4/2016 7:16 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
 I have upgraded with no issues. well I mostly use NVDA I have a jaws
 demo on here as a secondary screen reader in case i need it for
 something. I hope though that VFO or freedom scientific makes a free
 jaws tied to ms-office or something though so I don't have to
 restart every 40 minutes. because I think jaws is better and has
 some more useful features than window eyes does.



 On 8/4/2016 6:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
> Not quite: FS is aware of display compatibility issue. If you don't
> get the error, you can go ahead nad upgrad,e otherwise it is best
> to wait for a while.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List
> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:11 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes
> to expect
>
> or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media
> creation tool and choose upgrade.
>
>
>
> On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607
>> 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Maria Campbell]

Joseph, OK.  After restarting the computer I can now move between more 
than two windows with the alt tab.  Sorry to get you scratching your 
head.  Thanks for your help.



Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:56 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Hmmm, that's odd... What do you see when you open Task View (Windows=TAB)?
If you don't mind, I'll forward this to Win10 forum so people over there can
contact you directly.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Thanks Joseph but I still can alt tab only between two open windows after
choosing all desktops.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:36 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Ah, default virtual desktops setting might be in effect... Are you using
multiple virtual desktops (that is, can you navigate between them by
pressing Control+Windows+left or right arrows)? Try:
1. Press Windows+I to open Settings, then navigate to System/Multitasking
(select the subcategory and press ENTER).
2. Press TAB until you arrive at "Pressing Alt+Tab shows windows that are
open on" combo box.
3. If you see "only the desktop I'm using", select "all desktops". Press

TAB

and your preference will be saved.
Let us know if this doesn't resolve the problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to

expect

The only issue I've  seen with the upgrade is that I can only alt tab
between two open windows, even though I have more than two open.  If

anyone

can help me remedy this, I'd love it.  Thanks.



Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:16 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I have upgraded with no issues. well I mostly use NVDA I have a jaws
demo on here as a secondary screen reader in case i need it for
something. I hope though that VFO or freedom scientific makes a free
jaws tied to ms-office or something though so I don't have to restart
every 40 minutes. because I think jaws is better and has some more
useful features than window eyes does.



On 8/4/2016 6:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Not quite: FS is aware of display compatibility issue. If you don't
get the error, you can go ahead nad upgrad,e otherwise it is best to
wait for a while.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
expect

or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media
creation tool and choose upgrade.



On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,
I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607
propagate
throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now

VFO)

are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading

via

MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party

screen

readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who
said it
affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on
Windows
Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT

(trying

to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable
to use
Windows Update.
The advisories and related threads are:
* Update to 1607, no go:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0

,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
* Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=

,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
* Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p

=,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion
around
Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
* Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Maria Campbell]

When I press the windows plus tab I only hear the same window each time 
I press these keys, and then when using alt tab I hear new desktop.



Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 8:19 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Windows+TAB.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 5:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Sorry.  I don't know how to open task view I don't think?


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:56 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Hmmm, that's odd... What do you see when you open Task View (Windows=TAB)?
If you don't mind, I'll forward this to Win10 forum so people over
there can contact you directly.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
expect

Thanks Joseph but I still can alt tab only between two open windows
after choosing all desktops.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:36 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Ah, default virtual desktops setting might be in effect... Are you
using multiple virtual desktops (that is, can you navigate between
them by pressing Control+Windows+left or right arrows)? Try:
1. Press Windows+I to open Settings, then navigate to
System/Multitasking (select the subcategory and press ENTER).
2. Press TAB until you arrive at "Pressing Alt+Tab shows windows that
are open on" combo box.
3. If you see "only the desktop I'm using", select "all desktops".
Press

TAB

and your preference will be saved.
Let us know if this doesn't resolve the problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to

expect

The only issue I've  seen with the upgrade is that I can only alt tab
between two open windows, even though I have more than two open.  If

anyone

can help me remedy this, I'd love it.  Thanks.



Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:16 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I have upgraded with no issues. well I mostly use NVDA I have a jaws
demo on here as a secondary screen reader in case i need it for
something. I hope though that VFO or freedom scientific makes a free
jaws tied to ms-office or something though so I don't have to
restart every 40 minutes. because I think jaws is better and has
some more useful features than window eyes does.



On 8/4/2016 6:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Not quite: FS is aware of display compatibility issue. If you don't
get the error, you can go ahead nad upgrad,e otherwise it is best
to wait for a while.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes
to expect

or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media
creation tool and choose upgrade.



On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,
I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607
propagate throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom
Scientific (now

VFO)

are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those
upgrading

via

MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some
third-party

screen

readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who
said it affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and
others sent out yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version
1607 to show up on Windows Update, or if you really like to use
MCT, you need to fiddle around in Device Manager, uninstall
whichever display driver is offending MCT

(trying

to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable
to use Windows Update.
The advisories and related threads are:
* Update to 1607, no go:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,
,,20,0

,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
* Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321
788?p=

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Joseph Lee]

Hi,
Windows+TAB.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 5:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Sorry.  I don't know how to open task view I don't think?


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:56 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
> Hmmm, that's odd... What do you see when you open Task View (Windows=TAB)?
> If you don't mind, I'll forward this to Win10 forum so people over 
> there can contact you directly.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:51 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to 
> expect
>
> Thanks Joseph but I still can alt tab only between two open windows 
> after choosing all desktops.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
> Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
> --Dalai Lama
>
> On 8/4/2016 7:36 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Ah, default virtual desktops setting might be in effect... Are you 
>> using multiple virtual desktops (that is, can you navigate between 
>> them by pressing Control+Windows+left or right arrows)? Try:
>> 1. Press Windows+I to open Settings, then navigate to 
>> System/Multitasking (select the subcategory and press ENTER).
>> 2. Press TAB until you arrive at "Pressing Alt+Tab shows windows that 
>> are open on" combo box.
>> 3. If you see "only the desktop I'm using", select "all desktops". 
>> Press
> TAB
>> and your preference will be saved.
>> Let us know if this doesn't resolve the problem.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
>> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:27 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
> expect
>> The only issue I've  seen with the upgrade is that I can only alt tab 
>> between two open windows, even though I have more than two open.  If
> anyone
>> can help me remedy this, I'd love it.  Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maria Campbell
>> luc...@gmail.com
>>
>> Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
>> Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
>> --Dalai Lama
>>
>> On 8/4/2016 7:16 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
>>> I have upgraded with no issues. well I mostly use NVDA I have a jaws 
>>> demo on here as a secondary screen reader in case i need it for 
>>> something. I hope though that VFO or freedom scientific makes a free 
>>> jaws tied to ms-office or something though so I don't have to 
>>> restart every 40 minutes. because I think jaws is better and has 
>>> some more useful features than window eyes does.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/4/2016 6:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
 Hi,
 Not quite: FS is aware of display compatibility issue. If you don't 
 get the error, you can go ahead nad upgrad,e otherwise it is best 
 to wait for a while.
 Cheers,
 Joseph

 -Original Message-
 From: JAWS-Users-List 
 [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
 On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
 Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:11 PM
 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
 Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes 
 to expect

 or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media 
 creation tool and choose upgrade.



 On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi all,
> I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607 
> propagate throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom 
> Scientific (now
 VFO)
> are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those 
> upgrading
 via
> MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some 
> third-party
 screen
> readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who 
> said it affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and 
> others sent out yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 
> 1607 to show up on Windows Update, or if you really like to use 
> MCT, you need to fiddle around in Device Manager, uninstall 
> whichever display driver is offending MCT
 (trying
> to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable 
> to use Windows Update.
> The advisories and related threads are:
> * Update to 1607, no go:
>
> https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,
> ,,20,0
> ,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
> * Advisory: for JAWS users, 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Maria Campbell]

Sorry.  I don't know how to open task view I don't think?


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:56 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Hmmm, that's odd... What do you see when you open Task View (Windows=TAB)?
If you don't mind, I'll forward this to Win10 forum so people over there can
contact you directly.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Thanks Joseph but I still can alt tab only between two open windows after
choosing all desktops.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:36 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Ah, default virtual desktops setting might be in effect... Are you using
multiple virtual desktops (that is, can you navigate between them by
pressing Control+Windows+left or right arrows)? Try:
1. Press Windows+I to open Settings, then navigate to System/Multitasking
(select the subcategory and press ENTER).
2. Press TAB until you arrive at "Pressing Alt+Tab shows windows that are
open on" combo box.
3. If you see "only the desktop I'm using", select "all desktops". Press

TAB

and your preference will be saved.
Let us know if this doesn't resolve the problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to

expect

The only issue I've  seen with the upgrade is that I can only alt tab
between two open windows, even though I have more than two open.  If

anyone

can help me remedy this, I'd love it.  Thanks.



Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:16 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I have upgraded with no issues. well I mostly use NVDA I have a jaws
demo on here as a secondary screen reader in case i need it for
something. I hope though that VFO or freedom scientific makes a free
jaws tied to ms-office or something though so I don't have to restart
every 40 minutes. because I think jaws is better and has some more
useful features than window eyes does.



On 8/4/2016 6:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Not quite: FS is aware of display compatibility issue. If you don't
get the error, you can go ahead nad upgrad,e otherwise it is best to
wait for a while.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
expect

or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media
creation tool and choose upgrade.



On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,
I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607
propagate
throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now

VFO)

are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading

via

MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party

screen

readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who
said it
affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on
Windows
Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT

(trying

to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable
to use
Windows Update.
The advisories and related threads are:
* Update to 1607, no go:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0

,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
* Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=

,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
* Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p

=,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion
around
Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
* Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with the
Windows NT kernel restructuring, things 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Joseph Lee]

Hi,
Hmmm, that's odd... What do you see when you open Task View (Windows=TAB)?
If you don't mind, I'll forward this to Win10 forum so people over there can
contact you directly.
Cheers,
Joseph 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Thanks Joseph but I still can alt tab only between two open windows after
choosing all desktops.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:36 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
> Ah, default virtual desktops setting might be in effect... Are you using
> multiple virtual desktops (that is, can you navigate between them by
> pressing Control+Windows+left or right arrows)? Try:
> 1. Press Windows+I to open Settings, then navigate to System/Multitasking
> (select the subcategory and press ENTER).
> 2. Press TAB until you arrive at "Pressing Alt+Tab shows windows that are
> open on" combo box.
> 3. If you see "only the desktop I'm using", select "all desktops". Press
TAB
> and your preference will be saved.
> Let us know if this doesn't resolve the problem.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Maria Campbell
> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:27 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
expect
>
> The only issue I've  seen with the upgrade is that I can only alt tab
> between two open windows, even though I have more than two open.  If
anyone
> can help me remedy this, I'd love it.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> luc...@gmail.com
>
> Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
> Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
> --Dalai Lama
>
> On 8/4/2016 7:16 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
>> I have upgraded with no issues. well I mostly use NVDA I have a jaws
>> demo on here as a secondary screen reader in case i need it for
>> something. I hope though that VFO or freedom scientific makes a free
>> jaws tied to ms-office or something though so I don't have to restart
>> every 40 minutes. because I think jaws is better and has some more
>> useful features than window eyes does.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/4/2016 6:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Not quite: FS is aware of display compatibility issue. If you don't
>>> get the error, you can go ahead nad upgrad,e otherwise it is best to
>>> wait for a while.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:11 PM
>>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
>>> expect
>>>
>>> or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media
>>> creation tool and choose upgrade.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
 Hi all,
 I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607
 propagate
 throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now
>>> VFO)
 are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading
>>> via
 MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party
>>> screen
 readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who
 said it
 affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
 yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on
 Windows
 Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
 Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT
>>> (trying
 to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable
 to use
 Windows Update.
 The advisories and related threads are:
 * Update to 1607, no go:

>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0
>
 ,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
 * Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:

>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=
>
 ,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
 * Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:

>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p
>
 =,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
 For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion
 around
 Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

 As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
 things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
 * Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Maria Campbell]

Thanks Joseph but I still can alt tab only between two open windows 
after choosing all desktops.



Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:36 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Ah, default virtual desktops setting might be in effect... Are you using
multiple virtual desktops (that is, can you navigate between them by
pressing Control+Windows+left or right arrows)? Try:
1. Press Windows+I to open Settings, then navigate to System/Multitasking
(select the subcategory and press ENTER).
2. Press TAB until you arrive at "Pressing Alt+Tab shows windows that are
open on" combo box.
3. If you see "only the desktop I'm using", select "all desktops". Press TAB
and your preference will be saved.
Let us know if this doesn't resolve the problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

The only issue I've  seen with the upgrade is that I can only alt tab
between two open windows, even though I have more than two open.  If anyone
can help me remedy this, I'd love it.  Thanks.



Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:16 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I have upgraded with no issues. well I mostly use NVDA I have a jaws
demo on here as a secondary screen reader in case i need it for
something. I hope though that VFO or freedom scientific makes a free
jaws tied to ms-office or something though so I don't have to restart
every 40 minutes. because I think jaws is better and has some more
useful features than window eyes does.



On 8/4/2016 6:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Not quite: FS is aware of display compatibility issue. If you don't
get the error, you can go ahead nad upgrad,e otherwise it is best to
wait for a while.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to
expect

or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media
creation tool and choose upgrade.



On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,
I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607
propagate
throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now

VFO)

are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading

via

MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party

screen

readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who
said it
affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on
Windows
Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT

(trying

to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable
to use
Windows Update.
The advisories and related threads are:
* Update to 1607, no go:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0


,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
* Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=


,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
* Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p


=,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion
around
Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
* Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with the
Windows NT kernel restructuring, things that goes into core basic

components

will be found on all devices running Windows 10 Anniversary Update
(PC's,
smartphones, HoloLens, Xbox, Server 2016, IoT and so on)).
* Vastly improved UI Automation.
* Much better Edge that opens up possibilities via extensions (touch

cursor

must be employed), UIA attribute changes and no longer allows
traditional
ways of virtual cursor to function (the last one came from a recent
Main
Menu podcast).
* Settings app reorganized, including the behavior Jim described
earlier.
* New settings in Settings app, including universal dark theme,
projecting
screen content from Windows 10 Mobile or another PC, app notification
priorities, dedicated subcategory for Windows 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Joseph Lee]

Hi,
Ah, default virtual desktops setting might be in effect... Are you using
multiple virtual desktops (that is, can you navigate between them by
pressing Control+Windows+left or right arrows)? Try:
1. Press Windows+I to open Settings, then navigate to System/Multitasking
(select the subcategory and press ENTER).
2. Press TAB until you arrive at "Pressing Alt+Tab shows windows that are
open on" combo box.
3. If you see "only the desktop I'm using", select "all desktops". Press TAB
and your preference will be saved.
Let us know if this doesn't resolve the problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 4:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

The only issue I've  seen with the upgrade is that I can only alt tab
between two open windows, even though I have more than two open.  If anyone
can help me remedy this, I'd love it.  Thanks.



Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:16 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
> I have upgraded with no issues. well I mostly use NVDA I have a jaws 
> demo on here as a secondary screen reader in case i need it for 
> something. I hope though that VFO or freedom scientific makes a free 
> jaws tied to ms-office or something though so I don't have to restart 
> every 40 minutes. because I think jaws is better and has some more 
> useful features than window eyes does.
>
>
>
> On 8/4/2016 6:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Not quite: FS is aware of display compatibility issue. If you don't 
>> get the error, you can go ahead nad upgrad,e otherwise it is best to 
>> wait for a while.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
>> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:11 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to 
>> expect
>>
>> or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media 
>> creation tool and choose upgrade.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607 
>>> propagate
>>> throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now
>> VFO)
>>> are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading
>> via
>>> MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party
>> screen
>>> readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who 
>>> said it
>>> affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
>>> yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on 
>>> Windows
>>> Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
>>> Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT
>> (trying
>>> to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable 
>>> to use
>>> Windows Update.
>>> The advisories and related threads are:
>>> * Update to 1607, no go:
>>>
>>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0

>>
>>> ,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
>>> * Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:
>>>
>>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=

>>
>>> ,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
>>> * Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:
>>>
>>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p

>>
>>> =,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
>>> For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion 
>>> around
>>> Windows 10 Anniversary Update.
>>>
>>> As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
>>> things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
>>> * Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
>>> consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with the
>>> Windows NT kernel restructuring, things that goes into core basic
>> components
>>> will be found on all devices running Windows 10 Anniversary Update 
>>> (PC's,
>>> smartphones, HoloLens, Xbox, Server 2016, IoT and so on)).
>>> * Vastly improved UI Automation.
>>> * Much better Edge that opens up possibilities via extensions (touch
>> cursor
>>> must be employed), UIA attribute changes and no longer allows 
>>> traditional
>>> ways of virtual cursor to function (the last one came from a recent 
>>> Main
>>> Menu podcast).
>>> * Settings app reorganized, including the behavior Jim described 
>>> earlier.
>>> * New settings in Settings app, including universal dark theme, 
>>> projecting
>>> screen content from Windows 10 Mobile or another PC, app notification
>>> priorities, 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Maria Campbell]

The only issue I've  seen with the upgrade is that I can only alt tab 
between two open windows, even though I have more than two open.  If 
anyone can help me remedy this, I'd love it.  Thanks.




Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/4/2016 7:16 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
I have upgraded with no issues. well I mostly use NVDA I have a jaws 
demo on here as a secondary screen reader in case i need it for 
something. I hope though that VFO or freedom scientific makes a free 
jaws tied to ms-office or something though so I don't have to restart 
every 40 minutes. because I think jaws is better and has some more 
useful features than window eyes does.




On 8/4/2016 6:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Not quite: FS is aware of display compatibility issue. If you don't 
get the

error, you can go ahead nad upgrad,e otherwise it is best to wait for a
while.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to 
expect


or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media 
creation

tool and choose upgrade.



On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,
I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607 
propagate

throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now

VFO)

are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading

via

MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party

screen
readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who 
said it

affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on 
Windows

Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT

(trying
to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable 
to use

Windows Update.
The advisories and related threads are:
* Update to 1607, no go:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0 


,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
* Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p= 


,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
* Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:

https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p 


=,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion 
around

Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
* Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with the
Windows NT kernel restructuring, things that goes into core basic

components
will be found on all devices running Windows 10 Anniversary Update 
(PC's,

smartphones, HoloLens, Xbox, Server 2016, IoT and so on)).
* Vastly improved UI Automation.
* Much better Edge that opens up possibilities via extensions (touch

cursor
must be employed), UIA attribute changes and no longer allows 
traditional
ways of virtual cursor to function (the last one came from a recent 
Main

Menu podcast).
* Settings app reorganized, including the behavior Jim described 
earlier.
* New settings in Settings app, including universal dark theme, 
projecting

screen content from Windows 10 Mobile or another PC, app notification
priorities, dedicated subcategory for Windows Insider Program, 
ability to
prevent Windows Update from being attempted at a predefined time 
period,

rearrange and enable/disable quick actions and more.
* Control Panel's Taskbar properties has moved to Settings app.
* Start menu: reorganized, first-letter navigation partially returns 
(see

Jim's notes).
* Action Center: when you press Escape, Action Center will close 
instead

of

focus moving to a quick action.
* Press Delete from Action Center to remove notifications.
* Toasts (app notifications) no longer fires tooltip event, potentially
confusing screen readers. A slight modification to FSUIA or related UIA
handling code in jfw.exe must be modified to recognize window open 
event
instead and to keep an eye on UIA attribute differences between 
normal and

priority toasts.
* Skype Preview app is usable to some extent (touch cursor should be
employed in some cases).
* For Home and Pro, You cannot turn off Cortana easily (you need to go
deeper into Group Policy to change this). You can do this easily (or in

some
cases, Cortana might be disabled) if using Pro Education, Enterprise 
and

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Josh Kennedy]

I have upgraded with no issues. well I mostly use NVDA I have a jaws 
demo on here as a secondary screen reader in case i need it for 
something. I hope though that VFO or freedom scientific makes a free 
jaws tied to ms-office or something though so I don't have to restart 
every 40 minutes. because I think jaws is better and has some more 
useful features than window eyes does.




On 8/4/2016 6:16 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Not quite: FS is aware of display compatibility issue. If you don't get the
error, you can go ahead nad upgrad,e otherwise it is best to wait for a
while.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media creation
tool and choose upgrade.



On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,
I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607 propagate
throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now

VFO)

are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading

via

MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party

screen

readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who said it
affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on Windows
Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT

(trying

to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable to use
Windows Update.
The advisories and related threads are:
* Update to 1607, no go:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0

,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
* Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=

,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
* Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:


https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p

=,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion around
Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
* Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with the
Windows NT kernel restructuring, things that goes into core basic

components

will be found on all devices running Windows 10 Anniversary Update (PC's,
smartphones, HoloLens, Xbox, Server 2016, IoT and so on)).
* Vastly improved UI Automation.
* Much better Edge that opens up possibilities via extensions (touch

cursor

must be employed), UIA attribute changes and no longer allows traditional
ways of virtual cursor to function (the last one came from a recent Main
Menu podcast).
* Settings app reorganized, including the behavior Jim described earlier.
* New settings in Settings app, including universal dark theme, projecting
screen content from Windows 10 Mobile or another PC, app notification
priorities, dedicated subcategory for Windows Insider Program, ability to
prevent Windows Update from being attempted at a predefined time period,
rearrange and enable/disable quick actions and more.
* Control Panel's Taskbar properties has moved to Settings app.
* Start menu: reorganized, first-letter navigation partially returns (see
Jim's notes).
* Action Center: when you press Escape, Action Center will close instead

of

focus moving to a quick action.
* Press Delete from Action Center to remove notifications.
* Toasts (app notifications) no longer fires tooltip event, potentially
confusing screen readers. A slight modification to FSUIA or related UIA
handling code in jfw.exe must be modified to recognize window open event
instead and to keep an eye on UIA attribute differences between normal and
priority toasts.
* Skype Preview app is usable to some extent (touch cursor should be
employed in some cases).
* For Home and Pro, You cannot turn off Cortana easily (you need to go
deeper into Group Policy to change this). You can do this easily (or in

some

cases, Cortana might be disabled) if using Pro Education, Enterprise and
Education.
* You can invoke Cortana from lock screen if you choose.
* Windows Subsystem for Linux, complete with Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) image
(x64 only), Bash (Bourn Again Shell), emulation of Linux kernel 3.4 API

and

so on. Running GUI Linux programs will require a hack, and kernel modules,
such as Speakup will not run.
* User Account Control (UAC) dialog interface is now powered by XAML
(eXtensible 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Joseph Lee]

Hi,
Not quite: FS is aware of display compatibility issue. If you don't get the
error, you can go ahead nad upgrad,e otherwise it is best to wait for a
while.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media creation
tool and choose upgrade.



On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi all,
> I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607 propagate
> throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now
VFO)
> are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading
via
> MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party
screen
> readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who said it
> affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
> yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on Windows
> Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
> Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT
(trying
> to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable to use
> Windows Update.
> The advisories and related threads are:
> * Update to 1607, no go:
>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0
> ,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
> * Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:
>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=
> ,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
> * Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:
>
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p
> =,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
> For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion around
> Windows 10 Anniversary Update.
>
> As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
> things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
> * Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
> consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with the
> Windows NT kernel restructuring, things that goes into core basic
components
> will be found on all devices running Windows 10 Anniversary Update (PC's,
> smartphones, HoloLens, Xbox, Server 2016, IoT and so on)).
> * Vastly improved UI Automation.
> * Much better Edge that opens up possibilities via extensions (touch
cursor
> must be employed), UIA attribute changes and no longer allows traditional
> ways of virtual cursor to function (the last one came from a recent Main
> Menu podcast).
> * Settings app reorganized, including the behavior Jim described earlier.
> * New settings in Settings app, including universal dark theme, projecting
> screen content from Windows 10 Mobile or another PC, app notification
> priorities, dedicated subcategory for Windows Insider Program, ability to
> prevent Windows Update from being attempted at a predefined time period,
> rearrange and enable/disable quick actions and more.
> * Control Panel's Taskbar properties has moved to Settings app.
> * Start menu: reorganized, first-letter navigation partially returns (see
> Jim's notes).
> * Action Center: when you press Escape, Action Center will close instead
of
> focus moving to a quick action.
> * Press Delete from Action Center to remove notifications.
> * Toasts (app notifications) no longer fires tooltip event, potentially
> confusing screen readers. A slight modification to FSUIA or related UIA
> handling code in jfw.exe must be modified to recognize window open event
> instead and to keep an eye on UIA attribute differences between normal and
> priority toasts.
> * Skype Preview app is usable to some extent (touch cursor should be
> employed in some cases).
> * For Home and Pro, You cannot turn off Cortana easily (you need to go
> deeper into Group Policy to change this). You can do this easily (or in
some
> cases, Cortana might be disabled) if using Pro Education, Enterprise and
> Education.
> * You can invoke Cortana from lock screen if you choose.
> * Windows Subsystem for Linux, complete with Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) image
> (x64 only), Bash (Bourn Again Shell), emulation of Linux kernel 3.4 API
and
> so on. Running GUI Linux programs will require a hack, and kernel modules,
> such as Speakup will not run.
> * User Account Control (UAC) dialog interface is now powered by XAML
> (eXtensible application Markup Language), the UI technology that powers
> universal apps.
> * You can pin apps or some windows from apps across virtual desktops.
> * You cannot share Wi-Fi passwords with contacts.
> * Windows Ink to centralize pen support and to provide a workspace for pen
> and touchscreen users.
> * Windows+Shift+C 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Josh Kennedy]

the free microsoft media creation tool gets you around the display 
error. just run it and choose upgrade let everything else at their 
defaults.




On 8/4/2016 5:48 PM, James Flusche wrote:

Yes, I agree about waiting for the anniversary update to come through the
windows update. I tried many times to manually update to the anniversary
update, using Jaws, and narrator. No luck, the same error about the display
came up. No, I would not advise removing the accessibility driver for Jaws.
I would advise waiting for the windows update to show the anniversary
update.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 4:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Hi all,
I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607 propagate
throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now VFO)
are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading via
MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party screen
readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who said it
affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on Windows
Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT (trying
to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable to use
Windows Update.
The advisories and related threads are:
* Update to 1607, no go:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0
,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
* Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=
,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
* Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p
=,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion around
Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
* Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with the
Windows NT kernel restructuring, things that goes into core basic components
will be found on all devices running Windows 10 Anniversary Update (PC's,
smartphones, HoloLens, Xbox, Server 2016, IoT and so on)).
* Vastly improved UI Automation.
* Much better Edge that opens up possibilities via extensions (touch cursor
must be employed), UIA attribute changes and no longer allows traditional
ways of virtual cursor to function (the last one came from a recent Main
Menu podcast).
* Settings app reorganized, including the behavior Jim described earlier.
* New settings in Settings app, including universal dark theme, projecting
screen content from Windows 10 Mobile or another PC, app notification
priorities, dedicated subcategory for Windows Insider Program, ability to
prevent Windows Update from being attempted at a predefined time period,
rearrange and enable/disable quick actions and more.
* Control Panel's Taskbar properties has moved to Settings app.
* Start menu: reorganized, first-letter navigation partially returns (see
Jim's notes).
* Action Center: when you press Escape, Action Center will close instead of
focus moving to a quick action.
* Press Delete from Action Center to remove notifications.
* Toasts (app notifications) no longer fires tooltip event, potentially
confusing screen readers. A slight modification to FSUIA or related UIA
handling code in jfw.exe must be modified to recognize window open event
instead and to keep an eye on UIA attribute differences between normal and
priority toasts.
* Skype Preview app is usable to some extent (touch cursor should be
employed in some cases).
* For Home and Pro, You cannot turn off Cortana easily (you need to go
deeper into Group Policy to change this). You can do this easily (or in some
cases, Cortana might be disabled) if using Pro Education, Enterprise and
Education.
* You can invoke Cortana from lock screen if you choose.
* Windows Subsystem for Linux, complete with Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) image
(x64 only), Bash (Bourn Again Shell), emulation of Linux kernel 3.4 API and
so on. Running GUI Linux programs will require a hack, and kernel modules,
such as Speakup will not run.
* User Account Control (UAC) dialog interface is now powered by XAML
(eXtensible application Markup Language), the UI technology that powers
universal apps.
* You can pin apps or some windows from apps across virtual desktops.
* You cannot share Wi-Fi passwords with contacts.
* Windows 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Josh Kennedy]

or just do what i did. bypass it and use the free microsoft media 
creation tool and choose upgrade.




On 8/4/2016 4:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,
I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607 propagate
throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now VFO)
are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading via
MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party screen
readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who said it
affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on Windows
Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT (trying
to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable to use
Windows Update.
The advisories and related threads are:
* Update to 1607, no go:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0
,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
* Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=
,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
* Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p
=,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion around
Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
* Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with the
Windows NT kernel restructuring, things that goes into core basic components
will be found on all devices running Windows 10 Anniversary Update (PC's,
smartphones, HoloLens, Xbox, Server 2016, IoT and so on)).
* Vastly improved UI Automation.
* Much better Edge that opens up possibilities via extensions (touch cursor
must be employed), UIA attribute changes and no longer allows traditional
ways of virtual cursor to function (the last one came from a recent Main
Menu podcast).
* Settings app reorganized, including the behavior Jim described earlier.
* New settings in Settings app, including universal dark theme, projecting
screen content from Windows 10 Mobile or another PC, app notification
priorities, dedicated subcategory for Windows Insider Program, ability to
prevent Windows Update from being attempted at a predefined time period,
rearrange and enable/disable quick actions and more.
* Control Panel's Taskbar properties has moved to Settings app.
* Start menu: reorganized, first-letter navigation partially returns (see
Jim's notes).
* Action Center: when you press Escape, Action Center will close instead of
focus moving to a quick action.
* Press Delete from Action Center to remove notifications.
* Toasts (app notifications) no longer fires tooltip event, potentially
confusing screen readers. A slight modification to FSUIA or related UIA
handling code in jfw.exe must be modified to recognize window open event
instead and to keep an eye on UIA attribute differences between normal and
priority toasts.
* Skype Preview app is usable to some extent (touch cursor should be
employed in some cases).
* For Home and Pro, You cannot turn off Cortana easily (you need to go
deeper into Group Policy to change this). You can do this easily (or in some
cases, Cortana might be disabled) if using Pro Education, Enterprise and
Education.
* You can invoke Cortana from lock screen if you choose.
* Windows Subsystem for Linux, complete with Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) image
(x64 only), Bash (Bourn Again Shell), emulation of Linux kernel 3.4 API and
so on. Running GUI Linux programs will require a hack, and kernel modules,
such as Speakup will not run.
* User Account Control (UAC) dialog interface is now powered by XAML
(eXtensible application Markup Language), the UI technology that powers
universal apps.
* You can pin apps or some windows from apps across virtual desktops.
* You cannot share Wi-Fi passwords with contacts.
* Windows Ink to centralize pen support and to provide a workspace for pen
and touchscreen users.
* Windows+Shift+C instead of Windows+C to invoke Cortana.
* Windows+Alt+D to open time and calendar.
* Ability to change audio devices straight from Volume Control (there is a
split button to do this).
* Windows+F is used to open Feedback Hub app with screenshots. Consequently,
there is no more Insider Hub nor Windows Feedback apps.
* Windows Insider Program participants will get first of a series of builds
for Redstone 2 sometime this month, with the next stable build scheduled for
2017.
* No more 260 character limit for file paths (raised to 32K chars).
* General performance improvements were observed.

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Josh Kennedy]

you can force windows to give you the update by downloading and running 
the media creation tool and choose the upgrade radio button.




On 8/4/2016 3:58 PM, Holger wrote:

Still waiting for the update




Holger Fiallo
Send from my iPhone


On Aug 4, 2016, at 2:33 PM, James Flusche  wrote:

Hi Jaws user list.
Hi group, I just did a Jaws tandem into Ed's new laptop which is running the 
anniversary update of W-10.

The settings area, changes:

1.   After pressing Windows key+I, you are now in the search edit box.

2.   Tab one time to the category list of 9 main categories.

3.   After pressing enter on any of these categories, again you are in the 
search edit box, just tab one time to the list of sub-categories.

4.   . The first sub-category is always selected for you.

5.   Just begin tabbing across the choices.

6.   Again Jaws speaks too much information, just like at the first.

7.   Always press, insert+Tab, this makes Jaws repeat what control you are 
sitting on.

8.   There are many new sub-categories in this new update.

9.   I found a few places where Jaws had a hard time.

10.   But overall, worked pretty good, at times, too much speaking.

The start button area:

1.   After pressing the windows key, or pressing enter on the start button.

2.   You are in the search edit box.

3.   Tab one time to, the navigation button.

4.   Press the down arrow to get to all your shortcuts, Documents, 
downloads, personal folders, and power button.

5.   Tab again to, your list of apps and programs.

6.   First letter navigation only works from say, A to B. From whatever 
letter you are currently in to, to the next letter, no further.

7.   Tab again to, the live tile region.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[James Flusche]

One thing I forgot to say about what I saw on the anniversary update. I am
not sure if it was because of the Jaws tandem. But I could not use the
Control+Tab, to switch tabs in the Task manager. Jaws only stayed on the
first page. So could one of you who is running the anniversary update to
W-10, please confirm this for me. If this is the case I know that Freedom
Scientific is listening to this list and will fix it in a future update to
Jaws. I Thank all of you for your help. I am still waiting for the
anniversary update myself.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 5:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Hi Jim,
Thank you so much for giving us a sneak peak of the anniversary update. I am
still waiting on it as well.
David Moore


-Original Message- 
From: James Flusche
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Hi Jaws user list.
Hi group, I just did a Jaws tandem into Ed's new laptop which is running the

anniversary update of W-10.

The settings area, changes:

1.   After pressing Windows key+I, you are now in the search edit box.

2.   Tab one time to the category list of 9 main categories.

3.   After pressing enter on any of these categories, again you are in 
the search edit box, just tab one time to the list of sub-categories.

4.   . The first sub-category is always selected for you.

5.   Just begin tabbing across the choices.

6.   Again Jaws speaks too much information, just like at the first.

7.   Always press, insert+Tab, this makes Jaws repeat what control you 
are sitting on.

8.   There are many new sub-categories in this new update.

9.   I found a few places where Jaws had a hard time.

10.   But overall, worked pretty good, at times, too much speaking.

The start button area:

1.   After pressing the windows key, or pressing enter on the start 
button.

2.   You are in the search edit box.

3.   Tab one time to, the navigation button.

4.   Press the down arrow to get to all your shortcuts, Documents, 
downloads, personal folders, and power button.

5.   Tab again to, your list of apps and programs.

6.   First letter navigation only works from say, A to B. From whatever 
letter you are currently in to, to the next letter, no further.

7.   Tab again to, the live tile region.

8.   OK, let me review.

9.   After pressing enter on the start button, or pressing the windows 
key.

10.   You will be in the search edit box, tab one time to, your shortcuts to

your folders and the power button, tab again to, the list of apps and 
programs, tab again to, the live tile region.

11.   In my opinion, Freedom Scientific, needs to do some work with Jaws to 
have it more ready for the new start button area in the anniversary update.



Action center.

1.   What was the notification center is now the action center?

2.   So either pressing Windows key+A, or pressing enter on the action 
center on the notification bar.

3.   You can sometimes tab across here as usual, but if you find the 
tablet icon, just press the right arrow key to go across all the items here.

4.   When you find action center notices, just down arrow through the 
list of notices.

5.   Tab one time to the delete these notices.



1.   Everything else looked as it does now, as far as what I had the 
time to look at.

2.   Make sure you look at the back-ground-apps, most of them are turned

back on again.

3.I will have to wait until my computer gets updated to play with 
some of the new settings area sub-categories, to figure out exactly what 
they do.

4.   Anyhow, this is the best I can do for now.



Good luck...

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ 


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[James Flusche]

Yes, I agree about waiting for the anniversary update to come through the
windows update. I tried many times to manually update to the anniversary
update, using Jaws, and narrator. No luck, the same error about the display
came up. No, I would not advise removing the accessibility driver for Jaws.
I would advise waiting for the windows update to show the anniversary
update.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 4:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Hi all,
I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607 propagate
throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now VFO)
are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading via
MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party screen
readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who said it
affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on Windows
Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT (trying
to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable to use
Windows Update.
The advisories and related threads are:
* Update to 1607, no go:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0
,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
* Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=
,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
* Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p
=,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion around
Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
* Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with the
Windows NT kernel restructuring, things that goes into core basic components
will be found on all devices running Windows 10 Anniversary Update (PC's,
smartphones, HoloLens, Xbox, Server 2016, IoT and so on)).
* Vastly improved UI Automation.
* Much better Edge that opens up possibilities via extensions (touch cursor
must be employed), UIA attribute changes and no longer allows traditional
ways of virtual cursor to function (the last one came from a recent Main
Menu podcast).
* Settings app reorganized, including the behavior Jim described earlier.
* New settings in Settings app, including universal dark theme, projecting
screen content from Windows 10 Mobile or another PC, app notification
priorities, dedicated subcategory for Windows Insider Program, ability to
prevent Windows Update from being attempted at a predefined time period,
rearrange and enable/disable quick actions and more.
* Control Panel's Taskbar properties has moved to Settings app.
* Start menu: reorganized, first-letter navigation partially returns (see
Jim's notes).
* Action Center: when you press Escape, Action Center will close instead of
focus moving to a quick action.
* Press Delete from Action Center to remove notifications.
* Toasts (app notifications) no longer fires tooltip event, potentially
confusing screen readers. A slight modification to FSUIA or related UIA
handling code in jfw.exe must be modified to recognize window open event
instead and to keep an eye on UIA attribute differences between normal and
priority toasts.
* Skype Preview app is usable to some extent (touch cursor should be
employed in some cases).
* For Home and Pro, You cannot turn off Cortana easily (you need to go
deeper into Group Policy to change this). You can do this easily (or in some
cases, Cortana might be disabled) if using Pro Education, Enterprise and
Education.
* You can invoke Cortana from lock screen if you choose.
* Windows Subsystem for Linux, complete with Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) image
(x64 only), Bash (Bourn Again Shell), emulation of Linux kernel 3.4 API and
so on. Running GUI Linux programs will require a hack, and kernel modules,
such as Speakup will not run.
* User Account Control (UAC) dialog interface is now powered by XAML
(eXtensible application Markup Language), the UI technology that powers
universal apps.
* You can pin apps or some windows from apps across virtual desktops.
* You cannot share Wi-Fi passwords with contacts.
* Windows Ink to centralize pen support and to provide a workspace for pen
and touchscreen users.
* Windows+Shift+C instead of Windows+C to invoke Cortana.
* Windows+Alt+D to open time and calendar.
* 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[James Flusche]

Hi Vicky, you are welcome.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 4:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Thank you James for your detailed information and instructions for the new
Windows 10! It helps a lot.

Vicky

-Original Message-
From: James Flusche
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 3:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Hi Jaws user list.
Hi group, I just did a Jaws tandem into Ed's new laptop which is running the
anniversary update of W-10.

The settings area, changes:

1.   After pressing Windows key+I, you are now in the search edit box.

2.   Tab one time to the category list of 9 main categories.

3.   After pressing enter on any of these categories, again you are in 
the search edit box, just tab one time to the list of sub-categories.

4.   . The first sub-category is always selected for you.

5.   Just begin tabbing across the choices.

6.   Again Jaws speaks too much information, just like at the first.

7.   Always press, insert+Tab, this makes Jaws repeat what control you 
are sitting on.

8.   There are many new sub-categories in this new update.

9.   I found a few places where Jaws had a hard time.

10.   But overall, worked pretty good, at times, too much speaking.

The start button area:

1.   After pressing the windows key, or pressing enter on the start 
button.

2.   You are in the search edit box.

3.   Tab one time to, the navigation button.

4.   Press the down arrow to get to all your shortcuts, Documents, 
downloads, personal folders, and power button.

5.   Tab again to, your list of apps and programs.

6.   First letter navigation only works from say, A to B. From whatever 
letter you are currently in to, to the next letter, no further.

7.   Tab again to, the live tile region.

8.   OK, let me review.

9.   After pressing enter on the start button, or pressing the windows 
key.

10.   You will be in the search edit box, tab one time to, your shortcuts to

your folders and the power button, tab again to, the list of apps and
programs, tab again to, the live tile region.

11.   In my opinion, Freedom Scientific, needs to do some work with Jaws to 
have it more ready for the new start button area in the anniversary update.



Action center.

1.   What was the notification center is now the action center?

2.   So either pressing Windows key+A, or pressing enter on the action 
center on the notification bar.

3.   You can sometimes tab across here as usual, but if you find the 
tablet icon, just press the right arrow key to go across all the items here.

4.   When you find action center notices, just down arrow through the 
list of notices.

5.   Tab one time to the delete these notices.



1.   Everything else looked as it does now, as far as what I had the 
time to look at.

2.   Make sure you look at the back-ground-apps, most of them are turned

back on again.

3.I will have to wait until my computer gets updated to play with 
some of the new settings area sub-categories, to figure out exactly what
they do.

4.   Anyhow, this is the best I can do for now.



Good luck...

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ 


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[David Moore]

Hi Jim,
Thank you so much for giving us a sneak peak of the anniversary update. I am 
still waiting on it as well.

David Moore


-Original Message- 
From: James Flusche

Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 3:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Hi Jaws user list.
Hi group, I just did a Jaws tandem into Ed's new laptop which is running the 
anniversary update of W-10.


The settings area, changes:

1.   After pressing Windows key+I, you are now in the search edit box.

2.   Tab one time to the category list of 9 main categories.

3.   After pressing enter on any of these categories, again you are in 
the search edit box, just tab one time to the list of sub-categories.


4.   . The first sub-category is always selected for you.

5.   Just begin tabbing across the choices.

6.   Again Jaws speaks too much information, just like at the first.

7.   Always press, insert+Tab, this makes Jaws repeat what control you 
are sitting on.


8.   There are many new sub-categories in this new update.

9.   I found a few places where Jaws had a hard time.

10.   But overall, worked pretty good, at times, too much speaking.

The start button area:

1.   After pressing the windows key, or pressing enter on the start 
button.


2.   You are in the search edit box.

3.   Tab one time to, the navigation button.

4.   Press the down arrow to get to all your shortcuts, Documents, 
downloads, personal folders, and power button.


5.   Tab again to, your list of apps and programs.

6.   First letter navigation only works from say, A to B. From whatever 
letter you are currently in to, to the next letter, no further.


7.   Tab again to, the live tile region.

8.   OK, let me review.

9.   After pressing enter on the start button, or pressing the windows 
key.


10.   You will be in the search edit box, tab one time to, your shortcuts to 
your folders and the power button, tab again to, the list of apps and 
programs, tab again to, the live tile region.


11.   In my opinion, Freedom Scientific, needs to do some work with Jaws to 
have it more ready for the new start button area in the anniversary update.




Action center.

1.   What was the notification center is now the action center?

2.   So either pressing Windows key+A, or pressing enter on the action 
center on the notification bar.


3.   You can sometimes tab across here as usual, but if you find the 
tablet icon, just press the right arrow key to go across all the items here.


4.   When you find action center notices, just down arrow through the 
list of notices.


5.   Tab one time to the delete these notices.



1.   Everything else looked as it does now, as far as what I had the 
time to look at.


2.   Make sure you look at the back-ground-apps, most of them are turned 
back on again.


3.I will have to wait until my computer gets updated to play with 
some of the new settings area sub-categories, to figure out exactly what 
they do.


4.   Anyhow, this is the best I can do for now.



Good luck...

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ 



For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Moderator]

Hi Joseph,
Thank you very much for keeping us apprised of what's happening on the 
technical side of things
with Microsoft and Windows 10 as it applies to Jaws.
I, as well as the list membership do appreciate your knowledge and 
helpfulness!

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Lee" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect


Hi all,
I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607 propagate
throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now VFO)
are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading via
MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party screen
readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who said it
affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on Windows
Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT (trying
to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable to use
Windows Update.
The advisories and related threads are:
* Update to 1607, no go:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0
,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
* Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=
,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
* Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p
=,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion around
Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
* Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with the
Windows NT kernel restructuring, things that goes into core basic components
will be found on all devices running Windows 10 Anniversary Update (PC's,
smartphones, HoloLens, Xbox, Server 2016, IoT and so on)).
* Vastly improved UI Automation.
* Much better Edge that opens up possibilities via extensions (touch cursor
must be employed), UIA attribute changes and no longer allows traditional
ways of virtual cursor to function (the last one came from a recent Main
Menu podcast).
* Settings app reorganized, including the behavior Jim described earlier.
* New settings in Settings app, including universal dark theme, projecting
screen content from Windows 10 Mobile or another PC, app notification
priorities, dedicated subcategory for Windows Insider Program, ability to
prevent Windows Update from being attempted at a predefined time period,
rearrange and enable/disable quick actions and more.
* Control Panel's Taskbar properties has moved to Settings app.
* Start menu: reorganized, first-letter navigation partially returns (see
Jim's notes).
* Action Center: when you press Escape, Action Center will close instead of
focus moving to a quick action.
* Press Delete from Action Center to remove notifications.
* Toasts (app notifications) no longer fires tooltip event, potentially
confusing screen readers. A slight modification to FSUIA or related UIA
handling code in jfw.exe must be modified to recognize window open event
instead and to keep an eye on UIA attribute differences between normal and
priority toasts.
* Skype Preview app is usable to some extent (touch cursor should be
employed in some cases).
* For Home and Pro, You cannot turn off Cortana easily (you need to go
deeper into Group Policy to change this). You can do this easily (or in some
cases, Cortana might be disabled) if using Pro Education, Enterprise and
Education.
* You can invoke Cortana from lock screen if you choose.
* Windows Subsystem for Linux, complete with Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) image
(x64 only), Bash (Bourn Again Shell), emulation of Linux kernel 3.4 API and
so on. Running GUI Linux programs will require a hack, and kernel modules,
such as Speakup will not run.
* User Account Control (UAC) dialog interface is now powered by XAML
(eXtensible application Markup Language), the UI technology that powers
universal apps.
* You can pin apps or some windows from apps across virtual desktops.
* You cannot share Wi-Fi passwords with contacts.
* Windows Ink to centralize pen support and to provide a workspace for pen
and touchscreen users.
* Windows+Shift+C instead of Windows+C to invoke Cortana.
* Windows+Alt+D to open time and calendar.
* Ability to change audio devices straight from Volume Control (there is a
split button to do this).
* Windows+F is 

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Joseph Lee]

Hi all,
I expect Microsoft to roll out a new MCT and/or let Version 1607 propagate
throughout the world. As of now, Microsoft and Freedom Scientific (now VFO)
are fully aware of display compatibility flag issue for those upgrading via
MCT. Unfortunately, not only this affects JAWS, but some third-party screen
readers are affected as well (I got messages from two people who said it
affects VFO's other offerings). The advisories I and others sent out
yesterday are still in effect: wait for Version 1607 to show up on Windows
Update, or if you really like to use MCT, you need to fiddle around in
Device Manager, uninstall whichever display driver is offending MCT (trying
to pinpoint what it is) and proceed. But for many, it is advisable to use
Windows Update.
The advisories and related threads are:
* Update to 1607, no go:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/update_to_1607_no_go/2301501?p=,,,20,0
,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,20,2301501
* Advisory: for JAWS users, wait until Version 1607 shows up:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/anniversary_update_advisory/2321788?p=
,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,40,2321788
* Display compatibility flag: MS is aware of this:
https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/topic/important_anniversary_update/2327524?p
=,,,20,0,0,0::RecentPostDate%2FSticky,,,20,2,0,2327524
For members of certain Groups.IO lists: see the relevant discussion around
Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

As for what's new and different: besides what Jim said, there are many
things new, changed, fixed and removed, including:
* Redesigned systems architecture (OneCore; cannot explain fully in
consideration for the audience scope, but suffice to say that, with the
Windows NT kernel restructuring, things that goes into core basic components
will be found on all devices running Windows 10 Anniversary Update (PC's,
smartphones, HoloLens, Xbox, Server 2016, IoT and so on)).
* Vastly improved UI Automation.
* Much better Edge that opens up possibilities via extensions (touch cursor
must be employed), UIA attribute changes and no longer allows traditional
ways of virtual cursor to function (the last one came from a recent Main
Menu podcast).
* Settings app reorganized, including the behavior Jim described earlier.
* New settings in Settings app, including universal dark theme, projecting
screen content from Windows 10 Mobile or another PC, app notification
priorities, dedicated subcategory for Windows Insider Program, ability to
prevent Windows Update from being attempted at a predefined time period,
rearrange and enable/disable quick actions and more.
* Control Panel's Taskbar properties has moved to Settings app.
* Start menu: reorganized, first-letter navigation partially returns (see
Jim's notes).
* Action Center: when you press Escape, Action Center will close instead of
focus moving to a quick action.
* Press Delete from Action Center to remove notifications.
* Toasts (app notifications) no longer fires tooltip event, potentially
confusing screen readers. A slight modification to FSUIA or related UIA
handling code in jfw.exe must be modified to recognize window open event
instead and to keep an eye on UIA attribute differences between normal and
priority toasts.
* Skype Preview app is usable to some extent (touch cursor should be
employed in some cases).
* For Home and Pro, You cannot turn off Cortana easily (you need to go
deeper into Group Policy to change this). You can do this easily (or in some
cases, Cortana might be disabled) if using Pro Education, Enterprise and
Education.
* You can invoke Cortana from lock screen if you choose.
* Windows Subsystem for Linux, complete with Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty) image
(x64 only), Bash (Bourn Again Shell), emulation of Linux kernel 3.4 API and
so on. Running GUI Linux programs will require a hack, and kernel modules,
such as Speakup will not run.
* User Account Control (UAC) dialog interface is now powered by XAML
(eXtensible application Markup Language), the UI technology that powers
universal apps.
* You can pin apps or some windows from apps across virtual desktops.
* You cannot share Wi-Fi passwords with contacts.
* Windows Ink to centralize pen support and to provide a workspace for pen
and touchscreen users.
* Windows+Shift+C instead of Windows+C to invoke Cortana.
* Windows+Alt+D to open time and calendar.
* Ability to change audio devices straight from Volume Control (there is a
split button to do this).
* Windows+F is used to open Feedback Hub app with screenshots. Consequently,
there is no more Insider Hub nor Windows Feedback apps.
* Windows Insider Program participants will get first of a series of builds
for Redstone 2 sometime this month, with the next stable build scheduled for
2017.
* No more 260 character limit for file paths (raised to 32K chars).
* General performance improvements were observed.

Good luck.
Cheers,
Joseph


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Holger

Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Vicky Vaughan]

Thank you James for your detailed information and instructions for the new 
Windows 10! It helps a lot.


Vicky

-Original Message- 
From: James Flusche

Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 3:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

Hi Jaws user list.
Hi group, I just did a Jaws tandem into Ed's new laptop which is running the 
anniversary update of W-10.


The settings area, changes:

1.   After pressing Windows key+I, you are now in the search edit box.

2.   Tab one time to the category list of 9 main categories.

3.   After pressing enter on any of these categories, again you are in 
the search edit box, just tab one time to the list of sub-categories.


4.   . The first sub-category is always selected for you.

5.   Just begin tabbing across the choices.

6.   Again Jaws speaks too much information, just like at the first.

7.   Always press, insert+Tab, this makes Jaws repeat what control you 
are sitting on.


8.   There are many new sub-categories in this new update.

9.   I found a few places where Jaws had a hard time.

10.   But overall, worked pretty good, at times, too much speaking.

The start button area:

1.   After pressing the windows key, or pressing enter on the start 
button.


2.   You are in the search edit box.

3.   Tab one time to, the navigation button.

4.   Press the down arrow to get to all your shortcuts, Documents, 
downloads, personal folders, and power button.


5.   Tab again to, your list of apps and programs.

6.   First letter navigation only works from say, A to B. From whatever 
letter you are currently in to, to the next letter, no further.


7.   Tab again to, the live tile region.

8.   OK, let me review.

9.   After pressing enter on the start button, or pressing the windows 
key.


10.   You will be in the search edit box, tab one time to, your shortcuts to 
your folders and the power button, tab again to, the list of apps and 
programs, tab again to, the live tile region.


11.   In my opinion, Freedom Scientific, needs to do some work with Jaws to 
have it more ready for the new start button area in the anniversary update.




Action center.

1.   What was the notification center is now the action center?

2.   So either pressing Windows key+A, or pressing enter on the action 
center on the notification bar.


3.   You can sometimes tab across here as usual, but if you find the 
tablet icon, just press the right arrow key to go across all the items here.


4.   When you find action center notices, just down arrow through the 
list of notices.


5.   Tab one time to the delete these notices.



1.   Everything else looked as it does now, as far as what I had the 
time to look at.


2.   Make sure you look at the back-ground-apps, most of them are turned 
back on again.


3.I will have to wait until my computer gets updated to play with 
some of the new settings area sub-categories, to figure out exactly what 
they do.


4.   Anyhow, this is the best I can do for now.



Good luck...

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Re: [JAWS-Users] The anniversary update to W-10, changes to expect

[Holger]

Still waiting for the update




Holger Fiallo
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> On Aug 4, 2016, at 2:33 PM, James Flusche  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jaws user list.
> Hi group, I just did a Jaws tandem into Ed's new laptop which is running the 
> anniversary update of W-10.
> 
> The settings area, changes:
> 
> 1.   After pressing Windows key+I, you are now in the search edit box.
> 
> 2.   Tab one time to the category list of 9 main categories.
> 
> 3.   After pressing enter on any of these categories, again you are in 
> the search edit box, just tab one time to the list of sub-categories.
> 
> 4.   . The first sub-category is always selected for you.
> 
> 5.   Just begin tabbing across the choices.
> 
> 6.   Again Jaws speaks too much information, just like at the first.
> 
> 7.   Always press, insert+Tab, this makes Jaws repeat what control you 
> are sitting on.
> 
> 8.   There are many new sub-categories in this new update.
> 
> 9.   I found a few places where Jaws had a hard time.
> 
> 10.   But overall, worked pretty good, at times, too much speaking.
> 
> The start button area:
> 
> 1.   After pressing the windows key, or pressing enter on the start 
> button.
> 
> 2.   You are in the search edit box.
> 
> 3.   Tab one time to, the navigation button.
> 
> 4.   Press the down arrow to get to all your shortcuts, Documents, 
> downloads, personal folders, and power button.
> 
> 5.   Tab again to, your list of apps and programs.
> 
> 6.   First letter navigation only works from say, A to B. From whatever 
> letter you are currently in to, to the next letter, no further.
> 
> 7.   Tab again to, the live tile region.
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