Re: [LegacyUG] Fake news and vitriol

[johnbernacki1]

I do not think it is helpful to allege “fake news and vitriol”. What is a 
priority, concern or experience of some may not be the same for others. I think 
Millennia would like please as many customers as possible.

I did not say it was MH’s terms and conditions. Anyway, Companies change their 
terms and conditions on a regular basis. Most people do not read them first 
time, let alone when they are updated.

I am not only talking about the current situation but what may happen.

I agree these are mere “First World Problems”. Many people however have 
invested a lot of time learning to use Legacy and come to like it and trust it 
with their family history. I have only ever been interested in standalone 
software, and for me, Legacy has been the overall best.

"Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them." - Albert Einstein.

John


From: Alta Lee Futch 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:43 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fake news and vitriol

All this is just a teeny tiny ripple in the waters of the world.



On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Dennis Birke  wrote:

  Thanks, Susie.  You expressed what I have been thinking over the past few 
days as a read all of the alarmist postings.   

  The world is not ending because of this corporate transaction.  We all have 
far more important things to worry about.

  On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Susie Zada  wrote:

Hi Folks,

I suggest that everyone take a big deep breath and read the facts and not
fly off at ignorant statements.

It is very sad to see some of the mis-information followed by unwarranted
attacks on both MyHeritage and LegacyFamilyTree / Millennium.  I am a very
happy user of both and yes they all have their faults but firstly you can't
blame either for incorrect data on the trees on their sites.  You should be
aiming your anger at the poor research done by some people - but hey, is
there ANYONE who hasn't made a mistake on their tree on this list?  BE
HONEST!

READ exactly how the hints and matching work - NO-ONE has stolen your data.

And I know this statement might upset a lot of people but this IS a fact - I
joined MyHeritage and have had some wonderful assistance with their various
matches and suggestions because there are so many non-Americans involved -
in other words it's not USA-centric!  And don't start arguing about that or
denying that as an issue - go back and look at how many messages comment on
the LFT location 'rules' don't fit the rest of the world.

I love Legacy and still use it.

I love My Heritage and definitely use it.  I have made more progress with
hints in recent times from My Heritage than any other research I've done.

A very happy customer of both!

Regards ... Susie Zada
Geelong, Victoria, Australia with ancestors in Australia, Germany, France,
Italy, Prussia, England and Ireland - with just a couple of family detouring
via the USA


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Re: [LegacyUG] Fake news and vitriol

[Laura Ellene]

A big thanks to Alta Lee of Australia, from a Legacy/My Heritage user in Texas, 
for adding a longer perspective.  I’m going to look at this positively also and 
learn how to use all of these well before I start throwing rocks.  It just 
might be a “user” problem I’m dealing with; and I don’t want to embarrass 
myself any more than I already do from time to time.

 

Night, ya’ll.  Laura

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Alta Lee Futch
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 9:44 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fake news and vitriol

 

All this is just a teeny tiny ripple in the waters of the world.

 

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Dennis Birke  wrote:

Thanks, Susie.  You expressed what I have been thinking over the past few days 
as a read all of the alarmist postings.  

 

The world is not ending because of this corporate transaction.  We all have far 
more important things to worry about.

 

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Susie Zada  wrote:

Hi Folks,

I suggest that everyone take a big deep breath and read the facts and not
fly off at ignorant statements.

It is very sad to see some of the mis-information followed by unwarranted
attacks on both MyHeritage and LegacyFamilyTree / Millennium.  I am a very
happy user of both and yes they all have their faults but firstly you can't
blame either for incorrect data on the trees on their sites.  You should be
aiming your anger at the poor research done by some people - but hey, is
there ANYONE who hasn't made a mistake on their tree on this list?  BE
HONEST!

READ exactly how the hints and matching work - NO-ONE has stolen your data.

And I know this statement might upset a lot of people but this IS a fact - I
joined MyHeritage and have had some wonderful assistance with their various
matches and suggestions because there are so many non-Americans involved -
in other words it's not USA-centric!  And don't start arguing about that or
denying that as an issue - go back and look at how many messages comment on
the LFT location 'rules' don't fit the rest of the world.

I love Legacy and still use it.

I love My Heritage and definitely use it.  I have made more progress with
hints in recent times from My Heritage than any other research I've done.

A very happy customer of both!

Regards ... Susie Zada
Geelong, Victoria, Australia with ancestors in Australia, Germany, France,
Italy, Prussia, England and Ireland - with just a couple of family detouring
via the USA


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Re: [LegacyUG] Fake news and vitriol

[Alta Lee Futch]

All this is just a teeny tiny ripple in the waters of the world.


On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Dennis Birke  wrote:

> Thanks, Susie.  You expressed what I have been thinking over the past few
> days as a read all of the alarmist postings.
>
> The world is not ending because of this corporate transaction.  We all
> have far more important things to worry about.
>
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Susie Zada  wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I suggest that everyone take a big deep breath and read the facts and not
>> fly off at ignorant statements.
>>
>> It is very sad to see some of the mis-information followed by unwarranted
>> attacks on both MyHeritage and LegacyFamilyTree / Millennium.  I am a very
>> happy user of both and yes they all have their faults but firstly you
>> can't
>> blame either for incorrect data on the trees on their sites.  You should
>> be
>> aiming your anger at the poor research done by some people - but hey, is
>> there ANYONE who hasn't made a mistake on their tree on this list?  BE
>> HONEST!
>>
>> READ exactly how the hints and matching work - NO-ONE has stolen your
>> data.
>>
>> And I know this statement might upset a lot of people but this IS a fact
>> - I
>> joined MyHeritage and have had some wonderful assistance with their
>> various
>> matches and suggestions because there are so many non-Americans involved -
>> in other words it's not USA-centric!  And don't start arguing about that
>> or
>> denying that as an issue - go back and look at how many messages comment
>> on
>> the LFT location 'rules' don't fit the rest of the world.
>>
>> I love Legacy and still use it.
>>
>> I love My Heritage and definitely use it.  I have made more progress with
>> hints in recent times from My Heritage than any other research I've done.
>>
>> A very happy customer of both!
>>
>> Regards ... Susie Zada
>> Geelong, Victoria, Australia with ancestors in Australia, Germany, France,
>> Italy, Prussia, England and Ireland - with just a couple of family
>> detouring
>> via the USA
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Merger with MyHeritage

[F B]

I called MH this evening and talk to someone there and there will be no a 
problem  between the two of them and I went to my Ancestor's and check on  
Thomas Rogers who came from England by the way Holland to on the Mayflower I 
was lower to Plymouth, Mass. One of my ancestor's The sent me to a Globle Site 
and they has a special Price and now I will able to go to Europe any time. This 
wasn't much more then what's​ I was Paying  before Please check It out

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To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Merger with MyHeritage

I've stopped at Legacy 8 until they fix what I consider a major flaw.  If and 
when they fix this will determine whether I upgrade.

Brian

On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Wes Jester [Masked] <> wrote:


I am sorry to see this happen.  Legacy has been a wonderful program to use even 
though it was vastly outdated technologically speaking.

I came to Legacy from another pretty good program and I guess I will now need 
to return to it.  Roots Magic has Unicode and is available on multiple 
platforms.  I regret that I just upgraded to V9 as I now consider that a huge 
waste of a precious resource - my money

Wes





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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

[Cathy Pinner]

This is more misinformation.

MyHeritage is not reading your file to send you Hints.

Legacy is sending search criteria to MyHeritage as it does to 
FamilySearch or FindMyPast or Genealogy Bank - and as it will for any 
site that you have a search for under Internet Searches.


Yes MyHeritage hints are on by default but they are not being given 
access to your file.


Cathy

Roberta Montpetit 
Monday, 7 August 2017 3:33 AM
"When you sign into v9 MH reads your file and compares with theirs to 
offer hunts.  The feature is automatic unless you turn it off."


That is exactly the point that several people have made!


GORDON M TAYLOR 
Monday, 7 August 2017 3:05 AM
When you sign into v9 MH reads your file and compares with theirs to 
offer hunts.  The feature is automatic unless you turn it off.


Get Outlook for Android 


*From:* LegacyUserGroup  on 
behalf of Carrie Pillow 

*Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:25:16 AM
*To:* Legacy User Group
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

How can they ?

Your data is on your computer, it is only seen if you share it!

Carrie

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[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *GORDON 
M TAYLOR

*Sent:* 06 August 2017 15:44
*To:* Legacy User Group 
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

Carrie Pillow 
Monday, 7 August 2017 12:25 AM

How can they ?

Your data is on your computer, it is only seen if you share it!

Carrie

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M TAYLOR

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Re: [LegacyUG] Fake news and vitriol

[Dennis Birke]

Thanks, Susie.  You expressed what I have been thinking over the past few
days as a read all of the alarmist postings.

The world is not ending because of this corporate transaction.  We all have
far more important things to worry about.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Susie Zada  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I suggest that everyone take a big deep breath and read the facts and not
> fly off at ignorant statements.
>
> It is very sad to see some of the mis-information followed by unwarranted
> attacks on both MyHeritage and LegacyFamilyTree / Millennium.  I am a very
> happy user of both and yes they all have their faults but firstly you can't
> blame either for incorrect data on the trees on their sites.  You should be
> aiming your anger at the poor research done by some people - but hey, is
> there ANYONE who hasn't made a mistake on their tree on this list?  BE
> HONEST!
>
> READ exactly how the hints and matching work - NO-ONE has stolen your data.
>
> And I know this statement might upset a lot of people but this IS a fact -
> I
> joined MyHeritage and have had some wonderful assistance with their various
> matches and suggestions because there are so many non-Americans involved -
> in other words it's not USA-centric!  And don't start arguing about that or
> denying that as an issue - go back and look at how many messages comment on
> the LFT location 'rules' don't fit the rest of the world.
>
> I love Legacy and still use it.
>
> I love My Heritage and definitely use it.  I have made more progress with
> hints in recent times from My Heritage than any other research I've done.
>
> A very happy customer of both!
>
> Regards ... Susie Zada
> Geelong, Victoria, Australia with ancestors in Australia, Germany, France,
> Italy, Prussia, England and Ireland - with just a couple of family
> detouring
> via the USA
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

[Cathy Pinner]

Tom,
There is no equivalent to the US County Verifier for the UK - and 
there's no need for it that I can see. Yes the boundaries of UK counties 
change a little and I guess more recently - I have little research in UK 
post 1920 and even less post 197? when more changes were made?
However in the US, counties were formed and changed dramatically over 
their history. The US County Verifier will tell you that the county 
didn't exist for the date you've attached it to and is some help in 
finding the right county.
UK counties are the equivalents of US states. Counties are more like 
Parishes.
If by Location database you mean the downloadable Geolocation database. 
I haven't even downloaded it for years. Some find it helpful and others 
don't. It's most helpful for US locations. The Facebook group has files 
in the file section for how to use hidden features to make it more 
useful. I prefer simply to research the locations I come across and map 
them onto the Bing maps in Legacy myself if Bing can't find it (as it 
can't usually with historic names).


Where an equivalent to the US County Verifier would be useful is in 
Europe for the many country border changes there. The best tool for 
negotiating them is apparently the Centennia Historical Atlas.


It's your choice whether you follow Chris's practice of using empty 
commas for non-existent location parts in order to fit the US 4 field 
standard.
I won't. I only enter empty commas when I have yet to find a part of a 
location - eg I know the town but not the English county. town, , England
I simply sort my location list right to left. So I can highlight all 
locations in Dorset and then use the Show List tool (under the Options 
button) to get a list of everyone with some association with Dorset.


Also note that if you want to be a purist and keep addresses out of your 
location list, the tools and reports for the Address List are meager and 
very inferior to the tools and reports available for the location list. 
I also don't like the way addresses are entered or the way they're used 
in reports. So I don't use Legacy Event Addresses. Another reason is 
that unless you repeat it in the Description field of an Event, it is 
completely hidden.


Another place to find standard locations is FamilySearch. They've moved 
away from the 4 field "standard" for everywhere in the world.
When you enter locations in FamilySearch tree, you are asked to link the 
location to a "standard" location.


Legacy is a tool for doing genealogy. There are standards in genealogy 
and it's good to know them and to use them. If you break them, know why 
and what the consequences are.
I haven't found any negative consequences for doing locations as I do. 
There may be if you are writing for a professional journal.


Cathy

Chris Hill 
Monday, 7 August 2017 7:29 PM
For the UK addresses, I normally use this structure - Banbury, ,
Oxfordshire, England - though there other options suggested in the Geo
Database lookups that you can use. If needed, I then add to the left 
of list
so that I can then get one like this - Milton Regis, Sittingbourne, , 
Kent,

England.

It is really your choice about how you want to record addresses, and I 
went

through my large database a few years ago to sort out all of the various
versions that I had been building over many years.

Similarly, I use these as well - Airdrie, , Alberta, Canada and 
Adelaide, ,

South Australia, Australia.

One 'fault' that I made was to include 'buildings', like this All Saints
Church, Poplar, London, England within the locations and not as a separate
address record. I am still clearing those out from my system.

I think the idea was for the location to relate to a general place, like a
village or town, and that the address would cover an explicit 
building, like

a church.

But, ultimately, it is your choice how to do it, but be aware that, if
exchanging data, the other parties may have a different view on how they
would treat it.

Regards

Chris - UK based

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Jenny M Benson
Sent: 07 August 2017 12:07
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

I presume you are referring to options such as the US Counties 
Verification.

As far as I know there is no UK equivalent for this.
"English (UK) language" mainly means that you get English spellings.

If you look at Options>Customise you will see there are lots of 
choices you

can make about how dates, measurements, etc are displayed.

One thing you want to ignore if your research is largely in the UK is the
"encouragement" to use 4-field locations. UK places (whether or not you
choose to include street address in a location) do not fit into this 
mould.

Use as many fields as you want/need and then sort the list from right to
left (country, county, city, etc) so the grouping is correct.

Legacy is, of 

[LegacyUG] Fake news and vitriol

[Susie Zada]

Hi Folks,

I suggest that everyone take a big deep breath and read the facts and not
fly off at ignorant statements.

It is very sad to see some of the mis-information followed by unwarranted
attacks on both MyHeritage and LegacyFamilyTree / Millennium.  I am a very
happy user of both and yes they all have their faults but firstly you can't
blame either for incorrect data on the trees on their sites.  You should be
aiming your anger at the poor research done by some people - but hey, is
there ANYONE who hasn't made a mistake on their tree on this list?  BE
HONEST!

READ exactly how the hints and matching work - NO-ONE has stolen your data.

And I know this statement might upset a lot of people but this IS a fact - I
joined MyHeritage and have had some wonderful assistance with their various
matches and suggestions because there are so many non-Americans involved -
in other words it's not USA-centric!  And don't start arguing about that or
denying that as an issue - go back and look at how many messages comment on
the LFT location 'rules' don't fit the rest of the world.

I love Legacy and still use it.

I love My Heritage and definitely use it.  I have made more progress with
hints in recent times from My Heritage than any other research I've done.

A very happy customer of both!

Regards ... Susie Zada
Geelong, Victoria, Australia with ancestors in Australia, Germany, France,
Italy, Prussia, England and Ireland - with just a couple of family detouring
via the USA


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Re: [LegacyUG] Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9

[Denise Moss-Fritch]

John, you really need to read the privacy policy dealing with family trees on 
MyHeritage. Your second paragraph is not even remotely accurate for MyHeritage.

 

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 5:27 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9

 

To me, MH appears to have a company culture or business model of ripping-off 
customers. I think it will affect Millennia. There would have been negotiations 
going on between them during the lead up to release of Legacy 9. Was it a 
coincidence that Millennia did not allow us to run Legacy 8 and 9 at the same 
time, or was MH’s tentacles or influence already in Millennia? It seems to 
getting more like MH which is geared to channelling customers like sheep 
through a sheep-dip.  Also Millennia has already started straying from  
standalone Legacy with cloud storage of family files.

Many, if not all companies with cloud technology (e.g. social media and Google 
Docs etc.) have in their terms and conditions that they can use anything in any 
way they like. They render copyright useless for the customer. Any time in the 
future, at their whim, they can do anything and everything with your data, 
narratives or images etc.

John

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Re: [LegacyUG] Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9

[johnbernacki1]

To me, MH appears to have a company culture or business model of ripping-off 
customers. I think it will affect Millennia. There would have been negotiations 
going on between them during the lead up to release of Legacy 9. Was it a 
coincidence that Millennia did not allow us to run Legacy 8 and 9 at the same 
time, or was MH’s tentacles or influence already in Millennia? It seems to 
getting more like MH which is geared to channelling customers like sheep 
through a sheep-dip.  Also Millennia has already started straying from  
standalone Legacy with cloud storage of family files.

Many, if not all companies with cloud technology (e.g. social media and Google 
Docs etc.) have in their terms and conditions that they can use anything in any 
way they like. They render copyright useless for the customer. Any time in the 
future, at their whim, they can do anything and everything with your data, 
narratives or images etc.

John


From: Philip Solida 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 9:41 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9

Add that to placing indo of living persons as readily available could be 
IDENTITY THEFT 

On Aug 7, 2017 7:40 PM, "Philip Solida"  wrote:

  Seeing work placed there by me or copying it is one thing giving the 
ability to others to edit it without my permission because you bought the Web 
site or program and I do not subscribe to your site is another... that is 
plain, pure theft of my intellectual property and work and holding it for 
ransom, or giving it to others who may well have no idea what they are talking 
about..  even if they do, PERMISSION OF THE OWNER OF THE WORK (one who placed 
it on a site they bought) is and should be necessary... anything else is THEFT.

  On Aug 7, 2017 5:51 PM, "wabby62--- via LegacyUserGroup" 
 wrote:

The original message to the list is in the attachment.

This action is required because of the DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy
imposed by some email providers. Users who want to send messages
without conversion to attachments should use a different email address
for their subscription.

Known providers for free email accounts whose emails do not require
this conversion include gmail.com and hotmail.com.  Many other email
providers will also work but you will have to give them a try.

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Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 11:42:59 -0400
Subject: Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9
I am amazed at the amount of recent anguish and hand-wringing about 
MyHeritage and Legacy. My take is that putting your info in the cloud is to 
promote sharing. You see my tree, I see your tree. It's give an take. If you 
just want to surf the web and check everyone else's data but are unwilling to 
open your site to others, then I consider you to be greedy. I see no reason to 
make your file private. If you just want to use it as a backup, why put it up 
there in the first place.? Why not keep your data on your desktop or if you're 
so paranoid, put it on 3x5 cards in a shoe box and put it under your bed. There 
is plenty of security built in if you would try using it instead of complaining 
about it.
Same holds true on upgrading to Version 9. I used to keep my data on 
chiseled sandstone, then they invented paper and pencil, Oh Heavens, should I 
upgrade? Then they invented computer programs, with each version making 
improvements. Bite the bullet and learn to use the latest technology. 
Do you still use 5 inch floppy disks, and maybe cassette Basic?
Flame-off
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Re: [LegacyUG] Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9

[Philip Solida]

Add that to placing indo of living persons as readily available could be
IDENTITY THEFT

On Aug 7, 2017 7:40 PM, "Philip Solida"  wrote:

> Seeing work placed there by me or copying it is one thing giving the
> ability to others to edit it without my permission because you bought the
> Web site or program and I do not subscribe to your site is another... that
> is plain, pure theft of my intellectual property and work and holding it
> for ransom, or giving it to others who may well have no idea what they are
> talking about..  even if they do, PERMISSION OF THE OWNER OF THE WORK (one
> who placed it on a site they bought) is and should be necessary... anything
> else is THEFT.
>
> On Aug 7, 2017 5:51 PM, "wabby62--- via LegacyUserGroup" <
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>> Subject: Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9
>> I am amazed at the amount of recent anguish and hand-wringing about
>> MyHeritage and Legacy. My take is that putting your info in the cloud is to
>> promote sharing. You see my tree, I see your tree. It's give an take. If
>> you just want to surf the web and check everyone else's data but are
>> unwilling to open your site to others, then I consider you to be greedy. I
>> see no reason to make your file private. If you just want to use it as a
>> backup, why put it up there in the first place.? Why not keep your data on
>> your desktop or if you're so paranoid, put it on 3x5 cards in a shoe box
>> and put it under your bed. There is plenty of security built in if you
>> would try using it instead of complaining about it.
>> Same holds true on upgrading to Version 9. I used to keep my data on
>> chiseled sandstone, then they invented paper and pencil, Oh Heavens, should
>> I upgrade? Then they invented computer programs, with each version making
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Re: [LegacyUG] Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9

[Philip Solida]

Seeing work placed there by me or copying it is one thing giving the
ability to others to edit it without my permission because you bought the
Web site or program and I do not subscribe to your site is another... that
is plain, pure theft of my intellectual property and work and holding it
for ransom, or giving it to others who may well have no idea what they are
talking about..  even if they do, PERMISSION OF THE OWNER OF THE WORK (one
who placed it on a site they bought) is and should be necessary... anything
else is THEFT.

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> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 11:42:59 -0400
> Subject: Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9
> I am amazed at the amount of recent anguish and hand-wringing about
> MyHeritage and Legacy. My take is that putting your info in the cloud is to
> promote sharing. You see my tree, I see your tree. It's give an take. If
> you just want to surf the web and check everyone else's data but are
> unwilling to open your site to others, then I consider you to be greedy. I
> see no reason to make your file private. If you just want to use it as a
> backup, why put it up there in the first place.? Why not keep your data on
> your desktop or if you're so paranoid, put it on 3x5 cards in a shoe box
> and put it under your bed. There is plenty of security built in if you
> would try using it instead of complaining about it.
> Same holds true on upgrading to Version 9. I used to keep my data on
> chiseled sandstone, then they invented paper and pencil, Oh Heavens, should
> I upgrade? Then they invented computer programs, with each version making
> improvements. Bite the bullet and learn to use the latest technology.
> Do you still use 5 inch floppy disks, and maybe cassette Basic?
> Flame-off
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[LegacyUG] Hand-wring about MyHeritage and and Version 9

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I am amazed at the amount of recent anguish and hand-wringing about MyHeritage 
and Legacy. My take is that putting your info in the cloud is to promote 
sharing. You see my tree, I see your tree. It's give an take. If you just want 
to surf the web and check everyone else's data but are unwilling to open your 
site to others, then I consider you to be greedy. I see no reason to make your 
file private. If you just want to use it as a backup, why put it up there in 
the first place.? Why not keep your data on your desktop or if you're so 
paranoid, put it on 3x5 cards in a shoe box and put it under your bed. There is 
plenty of security built in if you would try using it instead of complaining 
about it.
Same holds true on upgrading to Version 9. I used to keep my data on chiseled 
sandstone, then they invented paper and pencil, Oh Heavens, should I upgrade? 
Then they invented computer programs, with each version making improvements. 
Bite the bullet and learn to use the latest technology. 
Do you still use 5 inch floppy disks, and maybe cassette Basic?
Flame-off
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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Issue

[Trevor Carlson]

Thank you everyone for your input and advice. Cathy's explanation definitely
cleared up the why it is happening. I will be trying a few tricks and/or
programs suggested.

Thanks again,

Trevor Carlson


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Sent: 6-Aug-17 8:37 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Issue

With Windows 10, perhaps one of the Picture viewers that you have already is
Windows Photo Viewer* ? (it was available as a free Microsoft program in
earlier versions of Windows - probably easily found to download but I
haven't tried)

I use WPV* for photos taken with my phone (sometimes they are upside-down;
often at 90 degrees) and I use this free application to rotate 90 or more
degrees L or R as appropriate. When moving on to the next pic, it
automatically rewrites the image to disk - but the useful EXIF data - for
example, the GPS info, etc - is retained.  
I also use Irfanview (have done so for 15+ years) but it does have some
features that are confusing for newer users. I would recommend WPV* instead.

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia


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Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 9:48 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Issue

Trevor,

You need to find the setting in FastStone Image Viewer or whatever you
choose to use to not automatically rotate images using the EXIF metadata.
Then you can truly rotate and save the picture in the right orientation. In
FastStone see Settings - Settings - Viewer  and uncheck Auto-Rotate by EXIF
orientation tag.
Legacy doesn't use the EXIF metadata to orientate the pictures, your phone
and many programs do.
Note you can edit images linked to Legacy in other programs - to rotate
them, remove flaws or crop them, resize them, ... provided you don't change
their filename. They'll still be linked.
Just make sure that if it's your only copy, you copy it somewhere else for
an archive copy first.

Cathy
> Hotrum family  Monday, 7 August 2017 
> 7:10 AM
>
> I recommend that you download and install either IrfanView or 
> FastStone (or both) and get your pictures the way you want them 
> (orientation, cropping, size, colours, brightness, etc.) before 
> attaching to Legacy. Both are free and can be downloaded from the 
> internet.
>
> FastStone has a more up-to-date user interface and is better at adding 
> text/graphics.
>
> IrfanView has the advantage of being able to convert to/from PDF files 
> and does more precise cropping.
>
> I use both of them.
>
> Cheers! -- Dave N.
> Trevor Carlson  Monday, 7 August 2017 
> 5:13 AM
>
> Well, I have a particularly perplexing issue that I cannot figure out. 
> I've taken a number of photos on my iPhone 6 in which the photos are 
> showing perfectly fine in the files (downloaded to my computer), but 
> are all on its side when opening the folder in Legacy. No amount of 
> 'rotating' the pictures in the file folders helps, and you cannot edit 
> photos directly in Legacy. What do i do?
>
> Note, when the photo was taken in landscape, there is no issue. It is 
> a problem only when taken in portrait.
>
> I'm using the latest version of Legacy9 Deluxe, and use the default 
> photo program from Windows 10. What is truly disturbing is that I 
> never had the problem in Legacy 8. I've also attached into Legacy9 
> pictures which had been downloaded prior to the Legacy9 upgrade 
> without issue only two weeks ago. Why is this a problem now? Is there 
> some setting on the iPhone6 screwing this up while snapping the 
> pictures as well? If so, I cannot understand why the rotating function 
> wouldn't work.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Trevor Carlson
>
> Edmonton, AB
>


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Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

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How do I turn off My Heritage hints on everyone?Cindy

  From: Roberta Montpetit 
 To: Legacy User Group  
 Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 12:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage
   
"When you sign into v9 MH reads your file and compares with theirs to offer 
hunts.  The feature is automatic unless you turn it off."
That is exactly the point that several people have made!
On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 3:05 PM, GORDON M TAYLOR  wrote:

When you sign into v9 MH reads your file and compares with theirs to offer 
hunts.  The feature is automatic unless you turn it off.

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Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:25:16 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage How can they ? Your data 
is on your computer, it is only seen if you share it! Carrie From: 
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To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage MH can see your file now 
in LFT 9. gmtFrom: LegacyUserGroup  
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Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2017 3:02:56 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage  One of the concerns that 
I am seeing in this set of messages is a fear that
MyHeritage will be able to extract a copy of your tree from your local PC
through Legacy.

To do that, they will need to get Millennia to make changes to the Legacy
program, which I doubt that they will do so long as they are operating
totally separately.

If they did manage to make that change they would also need your explicit
permission to do it.

Doing it without permission, which could be done, is the theft of your
private information, including information on living people. 

That would be illegal in the EU, GB and, I assume, USA, and I am sure that
your USA based users are quite capable of raising a class issue against them
if they did it.

If, as it has been suggested, MyHeritage have ignored a user setting that a
tree is Private and converted it to Public tree with no permission, they are
again breaking our laws.

 So, there should not be an issue here, but we do need to keep an eye on
what they are planning and doing.

Regards

Chris

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Sent: 06 August 2017 03:31
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Fw: Concerns about MyHeritage

Anne,
It still applies.

Besides it's not so easy to sync a desktop database with an online tree
system. Note the delay in the release of FTM and RootsMagic sync ability
with the Ancestry tree.
Any syncing between a Legacy family file and a My Heritage tree requires the
development of the mechanism to do it.
It won't come before Legacy 10 and is expected to be entirely optional. 
On top of that you then have the Privacy settings on a MyHeritage tree
apparently. I don't have one.

Cathy

> Anne Wiltshire  Sunday, 6 August 2017
> 10:21 AM Hello all Does My Heritage Privacy Policy for Legacy Family 
> Tree (in the Help
> file) still apply or will My Heritage be able to take all my tree onto 
> their website.
> With thanks
> Anne Wiltshire
> Runaway Bay QLD Australia
> *From:* CE WOOD
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 6, 2017 10:55 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Concerns about MyHeritage
>
> Their TreeBuilder syncs with their website. I do not use it, so know 
> only that.
>
> Complete privacy on the website occurs *_ONLY_* if you set those 
> options on your website tree. If you have more than one tree loaded on 
> your website, you must set the privacy settings for each. Some people 
> don't mind having people find and/or view some of their trees.
>
> You can even set your tree so that it *_cannot be found _*if someone 
> searches. You can do the same for any pictures or files you upload. If 
> someone can't find your info by searching, they cannot view it.
>
> You can limit those who can find your site to only your list of 
> "members", and you can prevent "members" from changing 

Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

[Chris Hill]

For the UK addresses, I normally use this structure - Banbury, ,
Oxfordshire, England - though there other options suggested in the Geo
Database lookups that you can use. If needed, I then add to the left of list
so that I can then get one like this - Milton Regis, Sittingbourne, , Kent,
England. 

It is really your choice about how you want to record addresses, and I went
through my large database a few years ago to sort out all of the various
versions that I had been building over many years. 

Similarly, I use these as well - Airdrie, , Alberta, Canada and Adelaide, ,
South Australia, Australia.

One 'fault' that I made was to include 'buildings', like this All Saints
Church, Poplar, London, England within the locations and not as a separate
address record. I am still clearing those out from my system.

I think the idea was for the location to relate to a general place, like a
village or town, and that the address would cover an explicit building, like
a church.

But, ultimately, it is your choice how to do it, but be aware that, if
exchanging data, the other parties may have a different view on how they
would treat it.

Regards

Chris - UK based 

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Sent: 07 August 2017 12:07
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

On 07-Aug-17 11:40 AM, Tom Beckham via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> I have just installed the basic version of Legacy. Although I have 
> specified uk English language.  I can see that certain parts of the 
> program have US part i.e the state/counties. Is it possible to be 
> changed to the UK counties. Or is this possible in the full version.

I presume you are referring to options such as the US Counties Verification.
As far as I know there is no UK equivalent for this. 
"English (UK) language" mainly means that you get English spellings.

If you look at Options>Customise you will see there are lots of choices you
can make about how dates, measurements, etc are displayed.

One thing you want to ignore if your research is largely in the UK is the
"encouragement" to use 4-field locations.  UK places (whether or not you
choose to include street address in a location) do not fit into this mould.
Use as many fields as you want/need and then sort the list from right to
left (country, county, city, etc) so the grouping is correct.

Legacy is, of course, a program developed in the US by Americans so it does
have an American bias (as do the wonderful Legacy Webinars - have you
discovered them yet?) but don't let that put you off.

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Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

[Jenny M Benson]

On 07-Aug-17 11:40 AM, Tom Beckham via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
I have just installed the basic version of Legacy. Although I have 
specified uk English language.  I can see that certain parts of the 
program have US part i.e the state/counties. Is it possible to be 
changed to the UK counties. Or is this possible in the full version.


I presume you are referring to options such as the US Counties 
Verification.  As far as I know there is no UK equivalent for this. 
"English (UK) language" mainly means that you get English spellings.


If you look at Options>Customise you will see there are lots of choices 
you can make about how dates, measurements, etc are displayed.


One thing you want to ignore if your research is largely in the UK is 
the "encouragement" to use 4-field locations.  UK places (whether or not 
you choose to include street address in a location) do not fit into this 
mould.  Use as many fields as you want/need and then sort the list from 
right to left (country, county, city, etc) so the grouping is correct.


Legacy is, of course, a program developed in the US by Americans so it 
does have an American bias (as do the wonderful Legacy Webinars - have 
you discovered them yet?) but don't let that put you off.


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Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

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Hi Cathy

One point is the place tools: location database and the US county verifier.
Is this not changeable to the UK county verifier?

Tom

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017, 11:49 am Cathy Pinner,  wrote:

> Tom,
> Do you mean in the Location List? Look under the Sort button and change
> to Generic if it bothers you. I use generic. I enter locations from
> smallest unit to country and sort the list right to left.
>
> There's no difference in the Deluxe version from that point of view -
> are Maps a Deluxe feature? I think so.
>
> SourceWriter Templates can also use US geographical parts for locations.
> I just ignore them and use them for whatever I think is appropriate.
>
> My research is basically in England and Australia. I'm a long term
> Legacy user and Legacy tester.
>
> Cathy
>
> Tom Beckham via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > I have just installed the basic version of Legacy. Although I have
> > specified uk English language.  I can see that certain parts of the
> > program have US part i.e the state/counties. Is it possible to be
> > changed to the UK counties. Or is this possible in the full version.
> > Tom Beckham
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Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

[Cathy Pinner]

Tom,
Do you mean in the Location List? Look under the Sort button and change 
to Generic if it bothers you. I use generic. I enter locations from 
smallest unit to country and sort the list right to left.


There's no difference in the Deluxe version from that point of view - 
are Maps a Deluxe feature? I think so.


SourceWriter Templates can also use US geographical parts for locations. 
I just ignore them and use them for whatever I think is appropriate.


My research is basically in England and Australia. I'm a long term 
Legacy user and Legacy tester.


Cathy

Tom Beckham via LegacyUserGroup wrote:


Hello,
I have just installed the basic version of Legacy. Although I have 
specified uk English language.  I can see that certain parts of the 
program have US part i.e the state/counties. Is it possible to be 
changed to the UK counties. Or is this possible in the full version.

Tom Beckham



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[LegacyUG] UK version

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Hello,
I have just installed the basic version of Legacy. Although I have
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have US part i.e the state/counties. Is it possible to be changed to the UK
counties. Or is this possible in the full version.
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