Linux-Advocacy Digest #191
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191, Volume #35 Wed, 13 Jun 01 13:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
(Edward Rosten)
Re: IBM Goes Gay (Edward Rosten)
Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
(Edward Rosten)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Edward Rosten)
Re: More micro$oft customer service (Daniel Johnson)
Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
(Edward Rosten)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Craig Kelley)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? (Edward Rosten)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Craig Kelley)
Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (JS \\ PL)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Ed Allen)
From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and
ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:14:24 +0100
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thaddius Maximus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matthew Gardiner (BOFH) wrote:
Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:9g7njd$9ko$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Cultured? The French/Germans/Italians are cultured, the British are
no more cultured than the Americans.
The average levelof culture is falling rapidly, but we've got a long
way to go to catch you guys up. Still proud to be forging a new path
at the head of the world?
The Conservative's had a crushing defeat :) well, it definately shows
that the British public aren't about to be sucked into the lower tax
hype created by the Bush admin. in the US. Well, hopefully Tony
Blaire's second term will be a good one. Oh, also, what's even better,
we know who won! unlike the US election that just dragged on and on.
Mind you, I never followed it, esp. when a nation that preaches
democracy doesn't practice it when election time rolls around.
Matthew Gardiner
If you are going to bash the US incessantly please understand that the
USA is a republic and NOT a democracy.
It's a representative democracy.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM Goes Gay
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:17:06 +0100
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
pip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Edward Rosten wrote:
I have recently been singing the praises of BBC Basic. Will that do?
The Z80 was the best processor ever made.
Gak!
6502 rules OK!
What are you two on about There is no debate here : it was the
MC68000 (and is the processor where I tried my hand at assembly coding).
Not your 8-bit junk in a 1-bit computer.
:)
No fair!
The 68000 is newer (I think).
To be honest, I've only done assembly coding for the 6502 and it was
pretty good fun. It is quite amazing the performance you can get if you
do it by hand.
-Ed
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From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:20:53 +0100
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Stephen Cornell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[pasteurised cheese]
I think you can, if you went to a shop with a good range of cheese. It
is normally located around the Deli section of the supermarket.
It's rare, and becoming rarer in Britain. The EC keep trying to kill it
off, for the absurd reason that it carries a health risk. I'm happy at
the moment, because I smuggled a few cheeses back from France this
weekend that smell (and look) like something that had crawled behind the
fridge and died six months ago :)
yay! Now we can have a holy war about which cheese it best :-)
I'm quite a fan of proper mature English Cheddar
oh, btw, we also have unpasteurised beer as well :)
But I bet it's fizzy and too cold :-)
What is your tipple of choice?
Fortunately they sell Old Speckled Hen in my college bar. It's not my all
ime favourte
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191, Volume #34Fri, 4 May 01 16:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Ayende Rahien) Re: WinTrolls and advocates are the ones who are geeks! (Jasper) Re: The Text of Craig Mundie's Speech (Craig Kelley) Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (Craig Kelley) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (WesTralia) Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (Craig Kelley) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Ayende Rahien) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Chronos Tachyon) Re: The Text of Craig Mundie's Speech (Peter Hayes) Re: The Text of Craig Mundie's Speech (Peter Hayes) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Ayende Rahien) From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 22:35:51 +0200 T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 02 May 2001 Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Daniel Johnson wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Well, no. Windows 1 and 2 were bundled with Excel and (I think) Word for the PC, but Windows 3 was sold retail, then sold to OEMs. Then it was combined (or bundled, if you like) with DOS, renamed Windows 95, and becomes more comparable to OS/2 than GEM. MS didn't go for the integration thing until Windows 3 was firmly on top. They minized the risk that way. If it could survive on its onw, yhen why did the MANDATE bundling? Microsoft was thinking of the future. They don't need the limitations of being stuck with a DOS codebase; Yea, we know; its there *customers* who demand backwards compatibility. Of course, dimwit. Couple of months ago we discussed application barrier, remember? If Windows didn't have backward compatability with DOS, users of DOS applications wouldn't move to it, period. So Windows had backward compatability, because the *users* wanted it. If MS could've its way, it was NT all the way. But NT couldn't handle a lot of the stuff that was written to DOS, so the 9x beast was born, had a short time of glory, and now is dying. -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 22:44:23 +0200 T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 2 May 2001 21:08:31 [...] No, I'm not talking about copyright here. I'm talking software design. [...] Well, that's the problem then. When you are talking about API, you talk about software design, when you make erronomous statement about API, I'll correct you. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jasper) Subject: Re: WinTrolls and advocates are the ones who are geeks! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 19:46:37 GMT Linux users are really cool??? Give me a break! Rock climbing, skydiving, bushwalking and dirt bikes are cool. Using a computer is just a means to finding the time and money to do these things. Only a computer geek would ever post something like what is written below. On Thu, 03 May 2001 18:39:53 -0400, Donn Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've gotta love the crap you read in here, how we're all supposed to be Linux geeks. You hear that repeated many times in here by the Wintrolls. In fact, the Wintrolls are the ones who are geeks. Did you ever see how geeky Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer are? Damn, but if those two aren't the biggest geeks I've ever seen! Linus Torvalds is much cooler by comparison. Windows lovers are the ones who are geeks. For some reason, I feel a lot more geeky when I'm running Windows. I just can't put my finger on it. Linux users are really cool, because when a problem arises, they very calmly know how to fix the problem. WinTrolls are so obsessed with Windows' ease of use and excessive automation of things, you know they have to be geeks. Then you've got all these Borland C++ and Developer Studio geeks who love to sit their little pimple-faced butts in front of their slick little multiple-document viewing IDEs, and spout off about how makefiles suck compared to their IDE's with project file formats. I've found that Windows users are very geeky, because Windows is such a cliche`, and Linux is this cool new OS. Also, you have all these file-format geeks who
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191, Volume #33 Fri, 30 Mar 01 08:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing? (mlw)
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("JD")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why does Open Source exist, and what way is it developing?
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:01:44 -0500
Karel Jansens wrote:
Here is why I think Darwin's theory does not apply to software
development:
1. Biological evolution does _not_ look to the future (it cannot, for
there is noone to do the looking), but builds up on the past. - Software
development does nothing but look to the future (this has to be faster,
that could be coded more efficiently...).
Evolution is the selection of the "best" survivor for the current environment.
Assuming the environment is a steadily changing along a predictable pattern,
then changes now, based on natural selection, better prepare the survivors for
the future.
This is, in fact, how evolution works. It is only when we have had drastic
changes that we have seen many species extinct within a small period of time.
Normally there is time for random traits to develop into recurring traits if
they allow a specimen to be more successful and reproduce more so than one
without.
2. Biological evolution is not guided (there is no master plan behind
it), it just happens. - Software development is _always_ guided (no
programmer sits behind his console just tapping blindly at the keys (*);
he wants to create something, and usually has a pretty good idea of what
it is going to be).
This isn't really true either. A particular module of software, especially OSS,
can be guided by one person, but there are usually many people working on
software projects with their own views and feelings about what should be in it.
Plus don't discount the users asking for features, randomly changing the
application to be more than it was before.
Just look at the Linux kernel, I'd say it "evolved" it grew new features, it
has all but lost the Minux file system. It is a picture perfect example of
software evolution.
3. Biological evolution is never interested in the best possible
solution, only in a solution that works sufficiently. - (I have to admit
I got stuck here, because this is eerily reminiscent of how Windows
"works") Software development should (see my previous remark) be
interested in the best possible solution, to avoid needless future
labour.
I would go this far either. Biological evolution is based on competition for
reproduction. Good features win, better features often do better. Biological
evolution refines, over time, the species until they are very well adapted for
their environment. You can't say a cockroach is not an almost perfect creature.
Long after we humans die out, the near perfect cockroach will still be here.
Now, if one insists on twisting Darwin's scientific theory into a
philosophical system (for which it was never meant BTW), one might come
up with a utopian construct (in the line of marxism) that said that
software _ought_to_ develop according to the laws of natural selection.
It'd be dead wrong, but one might fool a number of people for some
Science and philosophy walk hand in hand. One can not realize that truths about
physical universe and not internalize them. Philosophy is what bridges
knowledge and understanding. A theory as profound as the origin of species must
generate a philosophy. One may not agree with it, nor even intend it's
creation, but it will exist.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
http://www.mohawksoft.com
--
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 07:42:10 -0500
Roger Perkins wrote:
aaron, aaron, aaron, your ass must be frostbitten hanging out the way it
does. How does someone as stupid as you survive in the modern world. Now,
I know that's now where you mind is, but still! You don't know history, you
don't know politics, you certainly don't know the military but you insist on
shooting your mouth off.
False premise,
Ah yes, Roger's favorite method of debate..
Proof by ... assertion.
Check out the local university and see if the philosophy department has
a course on logic a
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191, Volume #32 Wed, 14 Feb 01 14:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Ethernet card for UNIX/Linux (John Travis)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: To Aaron (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: KDE Whiners (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Interesting article ("Mike Byrns")
Re: Interesting article ("Mike Byrns")
Re: RH7/3Com and 3Com Mini PCI Ethernet adapter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Interesting article ("Mike Byrns")
Re: Interesting article ("Mike Byrns")
Re: Interesting article ("Mike Byrns")
Re: linux is dieing (Aaron Kulkis)
From: John Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Ethernet card for UNIX/Linux
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:01:24 GMT
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:33:14 GMT, "Martin Eden"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi everybody.
I need an ethernet card for my new system. I'll dual boot Linux and FreeBSD.
Any advice on which one to get?
Thanks in advance.
Realtek (RTL) 8029. Great cheap cards. I haven't had problems with the
8139 (not the 8129!) either. I also like the 3Com 3C900s (Tornado's I
think). I would avoid Linksys as they seem to give a lot of people fits.
But the Realtek 8029 is the only one I have used for _both_ GNU/Linux and
FreeBSD. Free picked it up, and my dhcp server, without any problems. It's
an ne2k-pci clone sold under several names. I think mine was branded a
Focus Networks EtherLAN PCI adapter of something (it said it worked for
Novell, SCO UNIX etc. so I wasn't too woried :-).
jt
Alternative Computing Solutions...
Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian.org
FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org
--
From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:20:13 -0500
Martin Eden wrote:
"jtnews" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I just saw a news piece on Windows XP!
Microsoft claims that it can run for days
without crashing! Anyone have any real
world experience with Windows XP?
Is it really reliable?
I kept Win2K up for over a month once. I played Half-Life on it and ran the
seti at home screensaver whenever I wasn't around. The only reason I ended
up re-booting was to install SP1.
Windows is more stable than Linux for desktop use - if you have half a brain
^
How much did M$ pay you to write that load of horse shit?
in your head and some decent hardware. The problem with WinXP resides in the
Two machines...IDENTICAL hardware
The LoseDOS machine makes it a couple of days.
The Linux machine stays up for MONTHS.
fact that once you install it, you will end up granting Microsoft the
de-facto title to your hardware. Thus, upgrading to Whistler is (IMO) too
expensive at any price.
I already have 5 PC's at home all running
Linux. I don't see why I need a new OS.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To Aaron
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:22:21 -0500
Todd wrote:
Ok,
So check out www.tkpowers.com now... you will see that I have finally
*PROVEN* you wrong...
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191, Volume #31Tue, 2 Jan 01 14:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Why Hatred? (Form@C)
Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Uptimes ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Uptimes ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Conclusion ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: COM on UNIX (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: COM on UNIX (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: EXCLUSIVE: Hacker Steals Redhat Linux Source Code (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Uptimes ("JSPL")
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes itdoes) )
(The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Form@C)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 18:15:46 GMT
Glitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
snip
don't forget about all the fun viruses available. That's another thing
Windows users can brag about. They got more viruses than we do. It just
makes you wanna cry b/c windows users get all the fun.
yeah. Where's the fun in writing viruses for Linux? There arn't enough
floppy disk users on that OS to let them spread well! Come to think of it,
there arn't enough users for it to be fun at all!
On the other hand, all those nice ascii config files, put in a nice,
standard directory tree, would be great fun to edit with a very simple
virus wouldn't they?
grin
(Don't comment about Linux security here - this is a joke - don't take it
to heart guys!)
--
Mick
Olde Nascom Computers - http://www.mixtel.co.uk
--
From: "Ayende Rahien" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:02:27 +0200
"Roberto Alsina" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:92sku2$qla$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article 92j7hc$lj6$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
"Ayende Rahien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Roberto Alsina" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:92j3of$456$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article 92isv1$fu3$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
"Ayende Rahien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Les Mikesell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:b6W26.52507$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
"Ayende Rahien" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:92h7sc$mqn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Because IT WOULD MAKE SENSE. That's why.
Why just those? Why not every window manager known to man?
Why not make a file like RPM, so each application can have,
which will
contain its configurations and will be openable by some common
program.
And no, I'm talking about
pico/ed/whatever-other-text-editor-you-had-in-mind.
XML would do nicely here.
XML is just syntax. It saves you from writing a parser or reusing
any of the more free-form parsers already done, but nothing
else. This is not unreasonable for new programs but the
people who have copied the same config files from machine
to machine for the last 20 years and know how to read and
type them aren't going to be happy if they suddenly are forced
to make them ugly and unreadable. XML is easy for the
computer to parse but I'm not sure it makes sense these days
to make it harder for the human and easier for the CPU.
The advantage XML has is in that it's both human machine readable.
So is sendmail.cf for some value of readable, human and computer ;-).
Which use different fomrat than what other config tools user.
Parse error, if you pardon the topical pun.
Opps.
And building a program that would be able to read change every
program's setting that I can think of would not be a problem.
There is one, it's called "pico". Just because a program can parse
XML, it doesn't mean that it can figure out what the XML means.
But it means that the file contain all the options, and that one
program can be used to config all the config files without the user
needing to know about the file's format.
XML means nothing like that. A specific file format based on XML MIGHT
mean that, in SOME cases, though. For some apps, XML just doesn't
have enough power. For instance, XEmacs' config files are programs!
I've posted a XML file format that should be abel to do this.
Take, for example, a very simple config file format: INI-like files.
You know, tag/value pairs grouped on sections?
Yeah, I know, and that is why it's bad.
take apahce's configuration, frex:
ServerType: standalone
The other option is "inetd"
No where it the config file
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191, Volume #30 Sun, 12 Nov 00 13:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: NT/2000 true multiuser? (The Great Suprendo)
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Can you love a platform without being a bigot? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windows vs. everybody-else in the desktop/server markets. (Long!) ("Ayende
Rahien")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: We will never know what the MS intruder did ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
From: The Great Suprendo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: NT/2000 true multiuser?
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:46:22 +
A certain Russ Lyttle, of comp.os.linux.advocacy "fame", writes :
This is a capability that Citrix Metaframe has - "seamless window"
applications. That's where the window looks as though it is running on
your own desktop, ie you don't get a second desktop. This can be very
useful indeed - you can migrate a set of applications to terminal server
without your users being aware of it, retrained or whatever.
Believe me, users are very much aware of the migration. All the friggin
shortcuts broke is the usual symption. Also the friggin terminal server
version is never quiet the same as the old version, it runs much slower,
and dies everytime the network gets heavy usage. We stupid users never
have any idea whether our problems are something we did, something in
the OS, or someone is migrating applications without our being aware.
"stupid users" (ie non-IT people) generally aren't aware of seamless
window applications being updated - if it's done right. Admittedly it is
quite a feat to pull off without there being problems, but I have seen
it done.
OK, end rant. I just had to spend 1 hour doing my on-line time card
because the system administrators silently migrated the application.
Admins who are professional about it will usually warn the users. The
users usually ignore the warning.
--
ROAR UP MY TWAT!!!
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 16:49:54 GMT
On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:30:44 +, Pete Goodwin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try reading a 100k log file that Windows created when it booted, esp. if
you're trying to work out why it didn't work. Notepad will refer you to
WordPad.
And it does so automatically with no intervention from the user.
I still don't know what needs to be Administered on a home system?
Dfrag/scandisk/recoverydisk/add an ip address/change the dialup phone
number...All trivial to do without any real admin tools.
fdisk?
What's so hard about that?
It's included. We were talking about what Admin tools are needed that
are not included.
Is that available as a GUI tool on Windows 95/98/ME? It is on NT/Win2k, but
not those others.
If you add a disk, aren't you doing administration?
fdisk is included.
If you add hardware, ...
Plug and play or USB trivial under recent versions of Windows. A
nightmare under any version of Linux.
I'm still trying it out. So far nothing particularly serious.
I liked Mandrake 7.0 / 7.1 but after using it for several weeks I
found that the ordinary tasks I do under Windows are more of a pain in
the ass with Linux for me. As an example reading news. I had to set up
4 different programs (leafnode, slrn and the editor and spell checker)
then I had to fire off leafnode to retrieve messages. If I wanted to
go back a day or 2 in a group to check something I had to play with
config files. Read one group while another was downloading? Change the
colors, same thing. Attachments are another mixed bag along with html.
It's a real pain in the ass. I tried pan but could not get it working
on my system as it kept freezing on me. Printing was another problem.
I was stuck with a monochrome printer. I didn't like the way the
screen fonts looked even with ttfonts running. The permissions thing
was another pain, su'ing to root all the time to do things is just
extra steps. My scanner didn't work. My wheel mouse half worked in
that the wheel worked but you had to click on the window first where
as under Windows it hovers and knows what window you want to scroll.
Also how do I assign fu
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Linux-Advocacy Digest #191, Volume #27 Mon, 19 Jun 00 16:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about. (Matthias Warkus) Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server (Matthias Warkus) Re: Can Linux do this? KIOSKS - Lite Linux desktop? Lock-down configs? (JEDIDIAH) Re: Can Linux do this? KIOSKS - Lite Linux desktop? Lock-down configs? (Matthias Warkus) Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Matthias Warkus) Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Matthias Warkus) Re: democracy? (Matthias Warkus) Re: Linux Project at Medfield High School (mike burrell) Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about. (Craig Kelley) Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about. (Craig Kelley) Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about. (Craig Kelley) Re: Can Linux do this? KIOSKS - Lite Linux desktop? Lock-down configs? (JEDIDIAH) Re: What UNIX is good for. (Raymond N Shwake) Re: [Fwd: Newsweek US Edition: Microsoft's Six Fatal Errors] (Leslie Mikesell) stability of culture of helpfulness (Oliver Baker) Re: [Fwd: Newsweek US Edition: Microsoft's Six Fatal Errors] (abraxas) Re: stability of culture of helpfulness (JEDIDIAH) Re: The Tholenbot (was: Microsoft invites Canada south) (EdWIN) Re: Windows2000 Server Resource Kit $299! Welcome to the twilight zone (Leslie Mikesell) Re: stability of culture of helpfulness (Dances With Crows) Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes (tinman) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) Subject: Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about. Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:56:31 +0200 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was the Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:59:23 -0400... ...and Jeff Szarka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, when you say Linux can run on a 386 most people expect it to be just like it would be on a P3-550. "Most people." So you've done a survey on this? My bet is you haven't even asked a *single* person how they think Linux will run on a 386 machine. Linux is more flexibbal than Windows but most people hardly ever learn how to use all of Windows so they're never going to care about removing parts they don't use or adding other things. That's true. But is it a reason to cripple the power users? I don't think Microsoft has. Lets assume a power user wants access to decent command line tools... cmd.exe plus a ton off freeware tools works very well. Why bother with an OS where you need third-party tools that do not come on the installation CD? Why bother with an OS that comes on only one CD anyway? I'd rather take a Linux distribution that ships with the kitchen sink -- no extra software to buy, download or copy; and it's cheaper than Windows, too. Lets assume a power user wants a customized UI, there are many free shell replacements for Windows... some are quite good. There are countless tweaks for the basic UI as well. Why bother with an OS where those tweaks and customisations need to be downloaded, bought or copied separately? Not mentioning that, due to the Windows tradition, this stuff will probably be unfree (shareware or such) unlike most Linux software. mawa -- ... the web is the world's largest vanity press, with all that entails. -- Diane Wilson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) Subject: Re: Why X is better than Terminal Server Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:51:02 +0200 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It was the Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:10:57 -0400... ...and Jeff Szarka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fonts are the most basic and most universal problem of Linux window managers. If you don't know what you're talking about, shut up. No window manager handles fonts(*). Fonts are rendered by the X server, sometimes by the widget set. (*) Except for Enlightenment, wm2 and wmx who render their titlebar fonts pixel-by-pixel. I mention it fist because it's one of the most annoying issues. KDE is a Windows 9x UI clone It isn't. and not a very good one at that. Probably because it never aimed at being a Windows clone. If you look for a Windows clone in KDE, you won't find a good one. mawa -- Zu Rachmaninow habe ich noch nie gedübelt. -- Dietmar Warkus -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) Crossposted-To: alt.comp.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup Subject: Re: Can Linux do this? KIOSKS - Lite Linux desktop? Lock-down configs? Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:12:09 GMT On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:50:33 +0100, Niall Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Netscape 3 could run on a Win 3.1 486 33Mhz with 4Mb Ram on a 14" monitor then I am sure even the newest versions can run on a 486 in Linux. Claiming that anything 'ran' on Win3x under 4M would be an overstatement. [deletia] CRAWL wo
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191
Linux-Advocacy Digest #191, Volume #26 Thu, 20 Apr 00 06:14:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (George Graves)
Re: Another crosses the floor ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.) (Andrew M. Kuchling)
Re: Elian (DGITC)
Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.) (abraxas)
Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes ("Dan J. Smeski")
Re: VA Linux: Worlds most overpriced PC (Bill Berry)
Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.) (Craig Kelley)
Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000 or server software? (Craig Kelley)
Re: RHCE (Craig Kelley)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (Stefan Ohlsson)
Re: Standard desktop... ("Davorin Mestric")
Re: Binary Thinking ("Davorin Mestric")
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (C Lund)
From: George Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:59:19 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mayor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED], George Graves
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mayor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article gmgravesii-
[EMAIL PROTECTED], George Graves
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund) wrote:
In article gmgravesii-
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
George Graves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But all is
not lost , I think with OS X the Mac will finally crawl
out from under the rock a bit.
A BIT! It should leave that Windows crap so far back in the
dust, that M$ will be struggling for years playing catch-up
and copying OSX features and look-and-feel.
Hrmff..
"Windows2002" will sport a new and "innovative" GUI that
coincidentially resembles the Aqua interface. Underneath
this "groundbreaking" new interface, the same old WindowsX
will be lurking. The result will be yet another kludgy, ugly
OS from Microsoft, and the Wintrolls will be all over
CSMA telling us how much better it is than the lousy ol' Mac
because it supports the floppy drive or some such thing.
OS X will probably leave Microsoft in the dust, but don't
think for a second the WIntrolls will admit it.
Don't worry, I won't. I have learned that the only thing that
Apple could ever do to please Wintrolls who post on CSMA is to
roll over, belly-up and die. With Apple gone, they wouldn't
have that little nagging voice in their head that keeps
saying "did I choose the wrong platform?"
So you think that no other platform would exist without Apple?
How does Apple provide needed sustenance for Sun, SGI or any of
the several OSs that run on Intel HW?
Frankly, I laugh when I hear the Mac called a "niche computer".
The Mac is a niche computer.
The Mac is a niche computer.
The Mac is a niche computer.
That's three laughs for George! ;)
SGI, Sun and any of the several OSs that run on Intel HW, now
THOSE are "niche computers"
But what niches they are!
with market shares so low, they don't even cause a blip on
the radar.
You are not seriously arguing that marketshare determines
usefulness are you?
Because with no Apple, there would be only ONE platform and
the Wintrolls could sleep secure in their beds with no nasty
Apple confusing them with that pesky Macintosh.
Who's confused by Macintosh, George? I was considering a Sun or
SGI along with the PC when I bought my computer. Apple wasn't
even in the running.
Now, those ARE "niche computers."
In some very nice niches!
But I believe the original point was whether or not alternatives
to Windows existed apart from Apple's offerings not who's niche
is nicheier.
And you might have a point about no one knowing that anything
but Windows and Mac existing if it weren't for the fact that
you can get Linux at Wal-Mart these days.
To run what on? A server? Word Perferct, GIMP? And you talk
about there being no software or hardware for the Mac?
I don't believe I've ever said either myself. But don't you
think perhaps your claims about the lack of SW/HW for Linux
might eerily parallel the same claims WRT the Mac?
NO. When Wintrolls say there is no software for the Mac, they just mean
that there isn't AS MUCH software for the Mac as there is for Windows,
and they are right. However, there IS ENOUGH productivity software
available for the Mac to satisfy MOST users. When I say that there is NO
productivity software available for these alternative OSes, I mean that
there is so little productivity software available for these OSes and
that there are so many huge, gaping holes in those offerings as to make
these alternative OSes next to useless for most
