Linux-Advocacy Digest #353

2001-06-18 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353, Volume #35   Mon, 18 Jun 01 07:13:04 EDT

Contents:
  Re: More microsoft innovation (Sandman)
  Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed (Ayende Rahien)
  Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags (Ayende Rahien)
  Re: More micro$oft customer service (Ayende Rahien)
  Re: ZD Net -Win user comments. (Piers Bray)
  Re: Will MS get away with this one? (JamesW)
  Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (You've got MALE.. sex organs!)
  Re: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance (Thaddius Maximus)
  Re: OT: Where is American pride?... (was Re: European arrogance and ignorance...) 
(JS \\ PL)
  Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! 
(mike@ihdudy)
  Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Richard Thrippleton)
  Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Richard Thrippleton)
  Re: New BSD Advocacy site! (Richard Thrippleton)
  Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (Edward 
Rosten)
  Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (pip)
  Re: More microsoft innovation (Woofbert)
  Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare)
  Re: More micro$oft customer service (drsquare)
  Re: Linux inheriting DLL Hell (drsquare)
  Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare)
  Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare)
  Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare)
  Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! (drsquare)
  Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare)
  Re: More microsoft innovation (drsquare)



From: Sandman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More microsoft innovation
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 11:09:55 +0200

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], macman 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  None of it, since none of your objections are facts.   They're all 
  just paranoia.
 
 Is that supposed to be an answer?
 
 The facts are very, very simple. A web page author creates a page the 
 way they want it. Smart tags add things the author never intended.
 
 I personally believe in intellectual property. This is a massive 
 violation.

Actually, I came to think about something... What if I have a anti-IBM site 
for example. A site where I claim IBM is evil and IBM is this and that. How 
inappropriate if every IBM is linked to the site, stock quotes and 
company info and the company homepage, something I would -never- want to 
promote on my anti site.

H. I can see the email going to the webmaster from an unsavvy IE user: 
Thank you for the link to IBM stock quotes, it helped me write my report 
- GAAAH! :-D

-- 
Sandman[.net]

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From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux penetration MUCH lower than previously claimed
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:01:44 +0200


Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...


 Improved networking. When copying files from CDROM to the hard disk, I
 don't want my download speed to come to a crashing hault.

That doesn't have much to do with networking, I guess. It's to do with the
kernel not handling I/O well enough.
It's not supposed to affect the download speed, unless the TCP/IP part of
the kernel has to wait for CPU cycles.



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From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:08:19 +0200


green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:9gk9qc$jmq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...


 the what if is a virus gets in to the backup copies of the files and
changes
 them.
 how do you restore?

From the CD.

 ok I don't really care because I'm sure theres a easy way :)

You've to be an administrator to meddle with those dlls, and Windows would
consider those files tainted (ie, wouldn't use them) if they don't have
digital signature.




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From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft customer service
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:13:48 +0200


GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Dan wrote:
 
  In article
  [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I take it tho that you responded to this ng currently with a Mac?
 
  Yes.   I like MT-NW 3.1!   Actually, I'm running it under Classic on OS
  X.
 
   So if you set the default to OFF will the above page still work the
   same?
 
  YES   It's just a display option.
 
   If not do users of other systems be SOL??
 
  NO!   It's a local display option only.   No one else is
  affected.   It doesn't change anything.
 
  Dan

 Well, I can't be a judge yet, but I have read the thread on smart-tags

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353

2001-05-09 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353, Volume #34Wed, 9 May 01 05:13:03 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
  Re: Windows makes good coasters (GreyCloud)
  Re: Windows makes good coasters (GreyCloud)
  Re: Windows makes good coasters (GreyCloud)
  Re: Windows makes good coasters (GreyCloud)
  Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Linux Users...Why? (Edward Rosten)
  Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Windows makes good coasters (Edward Rosten)
  Re: Linux Users...Why? (Matthew Gardiner)
  Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Edward Rosten)
  Re: Linux Users...Why? (Matthew Gardiner)
  Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Edward Rosten)
  Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Edward Rosten)
  Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Edward Rosten)
  Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (GreyCloud)
  Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Edward Rosten)
  Re: Why does Flatfoot feel so threatened? (Edward Rosten)



From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 07:57:46 +0200

T. Max Devlin wrote:

 begin
 
 Said JamesW in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 8 May 2001 12:17:59 +0100;
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
 Note that this will not be readable just as is by the sucking
 newsreader JS PL is using.
 
 Peter
 
 end
 
  begin
^^
You need to put two spaces in front of the begin to fool OE. The
braindead newsreader expects an attachment - true if there was a
matching space-space-end somewhere after the space-space-begin. Since
there is no space-space-end working newsreaders ignore the begin and
display the text.

OE thinking there is an attachment will displays a paperclip instead -
another M$ product that substitutes useless paperclips for
functionality...
 
 You mean like this?  (I've already adjust for your correction that it is
 begin-space-space, not space-space-begin.)
 
 end
 

Yeah, I know about that space space. Somehow in composing that message
i managed to delete them without noticing.

Peter

-- 
There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't.



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From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 00:57:03 -0700

T. Max Devlin wrote:
 
 Said GreyCloud in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon, 07 May 2001 23:49:35
 Steve Sheldon wrote:
 
  Peter Köhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
  news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
   Jan Johanson wrote:
  
It continues to amaze me that the ONLY people having these sorts of
absolute failures under Windows are linux users.
   
Are linux users that univerally inadept at running Windows?
  
   Jan at his best, dumb and without any clue whatsoever.
 
  I'm not sure why you would call Jan dumb, I found his statement to be very
  close to the truth.
 
   Did you ever think that the overwhelmng majority of these linux-users did
   use windows before they switched or are still using it today in addition
   to linux?
 
  You know, I once considered this.  But then wouldn't these people actually
  have some knowledge of the product?
 
   There your whole argument falls apart. But that was clear from the
   beginning - you are simply a wintroll (saying by itself that youŽre about
   as dumb as a pile of horseshit)
 
  Wow, name calling.  How vogue that must be.
 
  Jan is right, you are wrong.  I think maybe you should learn to deal with
  that.  Or better yet, crack the books open and start learning something so
  you can argue from an informed point of view.
 
 What I do know is that some CD burners don't work too well under windows
 and then others do. One I know of my neighbor bought from Costco.  The
 burner software provided had a Y2K problem in it.  I told him to take it
 back and get an HP CD burner.  That one worked fine for his needs.
 
 As briefly mentioned earlier, you really have to get a Plextor burner if
 you want to have a hope of burning CDs on Windows.  Its a hardware
 function, then, and is pretty bullet-proof.  If you don't have their
 technology, though, then you're taking your chances; even Linux can make
 a toaster on a bog-standard burner.
 
 As far as Jans comments that ONLY linux users have this problem...  he's
 cruising for the Darwin of the year award.
 
 I know about the Darwin Awards, but this 'Darwin of the year', thing,
 V, I don't know about that.  Jan's just... a sock puppet.
 
 --
 T. Max Devlin
   *** The best way to convince another is
   to state your case moderately and
  accurately.   - Benjamin Franklin ***

My fingers were getting tired... I meant to type Darwin Award of the
year for this ng.
Someday

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353

2001-02-20 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353, Volume #32   Tue, 20 Feb 01 18:13:07 EST

Contents:
  Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Linux and QA (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Microsoft dying, was Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
  Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Gregory L. Hansen)
  Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Matthias Warkus)
  Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Help with display properties
  Re: Information wants to be free, Revisited (ZnU)



From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:17:41 -0500



Robert Surenko wrote:
 
 In comp.os.linux.misc Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Robert Surenko wrote:
 
  In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:57:50 GMT, Robert Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In comp.os.linux.misc Ian Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   [deletia]
 
 Then again, you are blathering about an historical even that
 was caught on tape and who's firsthand witnesses are still
 living.
 
  Yes, but the experiment can not be repeated. In your previous
  blatherings you claimed that the only way something can be known
  is the Scientific Method, and it's reliable because the event can
  be repeated.
 
  You don't have to repeat the shooting...all you need to do is exhume
  the body.
 
 Your missing the point. How do we "know" that a historical event happened?
 

How do you know that this was posted?


 --
 -
 - Bob Surenko  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 - http://www.fred.net/surenko/
 -

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and QA
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:14:06 GMT

In article 96sv9f$46a$[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
says...

 Please don't do that!  You had troubles all ready.  Go back to windows.
 this is not to be mean, but to help you. If you were meant to use linux,
 you would have fixed mandrake.  reinstalling will just give you headaches.
 Better to install and fix troubles, if you do you will have a stable install.
 If you buy and install all distros, you will constantly bitch about the 
 install process.  It _is_ hard.  MS only products (win modems) make it harder.
 Trying to do things all gui and expecting things to work like windows makes
 things harder still.  _anyone_ would hate linux after that.  My gf told me
 that she sees why people suffer under linux.  They try to use it just like
 linux.  Step one would be to forget about windows.  Reinstalling can help
 windows troubles, but I think it tends to make things worse in linux, not
 inherently but b/c it gives you a bad attitude and a poor state of mind.

Then perhaps Linux should change, is that what you're saying?

If Microsoft work hard at making installation easy, then surely Linux can 
do more if not better?

 Be the computer, Pete, and not all is lost.

I'll be myself and get on with my life.

Pete

--

From: Aa

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353

2001-01-09 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353, Volume #31Tue, 9 Jan 01 14:13:04 EST

Contents:
  Re: Microsoft releases Games console (Matthias Warkus)
  Re: Microsoft releases Games console (Matthias Warkus)
  Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? (Ian Pulsford)
  Re: VB job offer, and ensuing dilemma ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: kernel problems (.)
  Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (.)
  Re: KDE Hell (*)
  Re: KDE Hell (.)
  Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. (*)
  Re: VB job offer, and ensuing dilemma ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Linux is awful (chrisv)
  Re: KDE Hell (*)
  Re: KDE Hell (Donovan Rebbechi)
  Re: KDE Hell (Donovan Rebbechi)
  Re: KDE Hell (Donovan Rebbechi)
  Re: Windows 2000 (Peter Hayes)
  Re: Linux a non-starter at CES ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time? (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: You and Microsoft... (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: kernel problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: KDE Hell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:57:48 +
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It was the Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:58:14 +...
...and Richard Thrippleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Where's the Linux games console? Has anyone invented one yet? Linux is
  quite capable of it - so why not? Why is it not even a starter?
 
 Hmmm. Linux might be good at and suited for a lot of things, but I
 can't see it being suitable for a games console. Software for games
 consoles doesn't have to peacefully co-exist with lots of other
 processes, so you can get the best results through just about every hack
 a coder can think of. Writing to the I/O ports directly, rather than
 going through some uniform abstracted driver system for example. And
 memory protection is just pointless for obvious reasons. Ditto for smooth
 multitasking.

Smooth multitasking (more exactly: multithreading), I/O that can
easily be programmed without bare-metal assembly hacking and memory
protection are good features for a gaming platform.

Why? No software is programmed as fast, as sloppily and under as much
pressure as games. More power to you if your platform offers easy
development, features that ease performance problems (such as the
Linux low-latency patches) and crash protection.

mawa
-- 
Contemporary American feminism's simplistic psychology is illustrated
by the new cliche of the date-rape furor: "`No' always means `no'."
Will we ever graduate from the Girl Scouts?
-- Camille Paglia, New York Times, December 14th, 1990, Op Ed.

--

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:54:56 +
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It was the Mon, 8 Jan 2001 18:59:42 +...
...and Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Where's the Linux games console? Has anyone invented one yet? Linux is 
 quite capable of it - so why not? Why is it not even a starter?

Indrema.

mawa
-- 
Contemporary American feminism's simplistic psychology is illustrated
by the new cliche of the date-rape furor: "`No' always means `no'."
Will we ever graduate from the Girl Scouts?
-- Camille Paglia, New York Times, December 14th, 1990, Op Ed.

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 02:37:35 +1000
From: Ian Pulsford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?

They're just hanging out for Bush jr. to take the reins.

tony roth wrote:
 
 MS has filed an appeal and is asking for a new trial!  hmm they're saying
 the whole thing was a sham forget the sentance!
 
 "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: VB job offer, and ensuing dilemma
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 17:08:22 GMT

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 mlw wrote:

  (10) Never say it is easy to do, because it never is.

 Very true.  If asked for a time estimate...multiply by a factor of 5x
 in case you run into problems...

I call that the Scottie method of engineering.

"Captain, I cannae possibly do it in less than 4 hours."

Multiply all time estimates by 4 or 5, and make yourself look like a
genius when you deliver it in half that amount of time.   Use the
remaining time on training or posting to cola. :)


Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: kernel problems
Date: 9 Jan 2001 17:23:16 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 9 Jan 2001 05:32:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:


And lots of time to lie about how much you understand about high level
sound engineering, of course.

 Tell us again mr . all about how VM is "sort of an operating system"

Ah, so it is you, claire.

Ca

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353

2000-09-28 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353, Volume #29   Thu, 28 Sep 00 23:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Is Linux some kind of a joke? ("John Garrison")
  Re: Windows+Linux+MacOS = BeOS ("Philo")
  Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Donovan 
Rebbechi)
  Re: Linux? ("Ingemar Lundin")
  Re: Linux? (Grega Bremec)
  Re: Is Linux some kind of a joke? (Matt Gaia)
  Re: Windows+Linux+MacOS = BeOS (Michael Marion)
  Re: Windows+Linux+MacOS = BeOS (.)
  Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Joseph T. Adams")
  Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? 
("Blacknight")
  Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
  Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)



From: "John Garrison" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is Linux some kind of a joke?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:15:17 -0400

IN the 80's we had compact code that a computer could use efficiently. Linux
manages to do that here in 21st century.  Linux is emminently maleable and
it can indeed do all the stuff you want it to do, but like any OS it needs
drivers and software to do it. Planinly your are not willing to do the
legwork to get them.

--
Counfucious said:
He cannot die happy; that hasn't owned a Jeep.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Is Linux some kind of a joke or something?
  I mean I instaled Redhat and it looks like shit. No games, no support
 for my video card. No support for my soundcard or any of my USB
 devices...

 This has to be a joke?

 Why should I return to the 1980's just to run Linux?

 Linux is a piece of shit


 The Whore...





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From: "Philo" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows+Linux+MacOS = BeOS
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:23:18 -0500

 and a life? you do have oneright? ;)
 

well the funny thing is i have turned into a total computer geek at the age
of 51.
sure i was a hell raiser back in the 60's
then turned to a family man in the 70's
then from about 1985 until a year ago i was one of those performance
poets...
and really became a hell raiser again...but finally
blew all the anger out of my system...
the whole time i used my trusty 1939 smith corona typewriter and hated
computers...( to this day at least...i don't have a teevee)
and barely tolerated my friends who were into it...
and now i am one :)
used to restore vacuum tube radios...now i fix up old computers and get all
my moneyless friends going...
used to do a lot of volunteer work too;
photo instructor for mentally ill adults...
i was even president of a community art center...
but now it's quiet time for me and a time to learn all the new technology.
i repair industrial batteries and battery chargers for a living and those
things require a lot of physical strength...(transformers weigh 50-250
pounds...
and the cells can weigh 150-200#)
so i need to learn as much about computers now...sort of as a back up incase
i need a career change.
so i took all this time writing to avoid just admitting that i guess *no* i
don't have alife right now...
but i had one...and probably will again soon

Philo

website www.plazaearth.com/philo




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: 29 Sep 2000 00:28:23 GMT

On 28 Sep 2000 22:50:09 GMT, FM wrote:

Although I have respect for the fact that you have ideas for a new O/S,
wouldn't you be better off posting your ideas in comp.os.research?

Well, for one thing, it's a moderated newsgroup and
I fully hope that they would not let him post this
much nonsense.

I suggest he post his ideas to /dev/null until he has something more
concrete than hot air.

-- 
Donovan

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From: "Ingemar Lundin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux?
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:51:34 GMT


"Grega Bremec" [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 ...and Ingemar Lundin used the keyboard:
 
 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!..Aa..good one little slacker..;)
 that did hurt didnt it?
 

 No, it didn't hurt. I know for what Slackware is worth. I've been
 using it for six years now, and it wasn't exclusively, you know.

 It's just that what you were trying to say above is so without any
 grounds that it doesn't make sense. Go tell that to a friend of yours,
 if he/she is willing to listen to that crap, but please, don't do it
 in a public forum, to a person that's trying to get objective
 information about some product.

that was totally objective...telling a newbie to start with a total geek
product isnt!

so go someplace else were you can bitch about slack!

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353

2000-06-26 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353, Volume #27   Mon, 26 Jun 00 18:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: (Aaron 
Kulkis)
  Re: Processing data is bad! (rich)
  Re: Windows98
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: (Aaron 
Kulkis)
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:(Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:(Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS? (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS? (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Windows98
  Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh ("Marcus Turner")
  Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh ("Marcus Turner")
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:Microsoft 
Ruling Too Harsh
  Re: Comparing Windows NT and UNIX System Management
  Re: [JOB] Debian installer needed near Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
  Re: Comparing Windows NT and UNIX System Management
  Re: Fan of General Wojciech Jaruzelski? was Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose 
Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Loren Petrich)
  Re: 10 Linux "features" nobody cares about. (Andy Newman)
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: Microsoft Ruling 
Too Harsh (Loren Petrich)
  Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh ("Marcus Turner")
  Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS? (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: correct way of 8-bit char encoding? (Jens =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pr=FCfer?=)
  Re: LILO problems -- Any suggestions? (Jens =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pr=FCfer?=)



From: Aaron Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:52:59 -0400



Loren Petrich wrote:
 
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron Kulkis  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Loren Petrich wrote:
 
  Russia is clearly in *disarray*.
 
 Wrongthe CIVILIAN POPULATION is in disarray.
 
 The bigwigs in government, on the other hand, has managed to consolidate
 even more power than before...what used to be "state property" is now
 firmly in the hands of "The Oligarchs", who just happen to ALL be
 party insiders.
 
 And how are they supposed to be a unified front rather than some
 loose community of feudal lords?
 
 Back in the 1970's, one of their philosophical leaders  (can't remember
 who) said, "We will feign weakness at the time of our greatest
 strength).
 
 From a grove of birch trees it came.

Actually, I first learned about it in a book written by a Soviet
colonel who defected.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rich)
Subject: Re: Processing data is bad!
Date: 26 Jun 2000 20:57:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Also schrieb Aaron Kulkis:

[snipped rant including 26-line stupid .sig]

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer

Oh, good Lord, once wasn't enough, was it?

*plonk*

- 
Catch the cluetrain.  http://www.cluetrain.com
ALL programs are poems, it's just that not all programmers are poets.
-- Jonathan Guthrie in the scary.devil.monastery

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Windows98
Date: 26 Jun 2000 17:01:33 -0400

On 26 Jun 2000 06:29:04 -0500, Tim Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:54:28 -0500, Tim Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James wrote:
 
 David,
 
 Even though Win98 is a much more usable desktop in many respects
 (including games) than Linux it is, agreeably, highly unreliable.
 Therefore your post in this NG will have no credibility, even
 though it deserves some.  In the company I work for we run
 Win95 on most desktops (some 2+) and of course experience
 the usual problems - mostly users corrupting their own systems.
 The company will in the next 2-3 years upgrade all desktops
 and backends (from Novell  GroupWise) to W2k.  Linux, with
 its limite

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353

2000-05-03 Thread Digestifier

Linux-Advocacy Digest #353, Volume #26Wed, 3 May 00 13:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance... (JEDIDIAH)
  Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance... 
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance... 
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Are we equal? (Craig Kelley)
  Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance... (Craig Kelley)
  Re: Are we equal? ("Edward L. Sandwicheater")
  Re: Linux NFS is buggy ("Cihl")
  Re: Linux NFS is buggy (Leslie Mikesell)
  Re: Linux NFS is buggy (Leslie Mikesell)
  Re: Linux NFS is buggy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Do us a favor and leave. (Was dreamers) ("Cihl")
  Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance... (2:1)
  Re: Are we equal? ("Edward L. Sandwicheater")
  Re: Help ... ... P l e a s e ? ("Cihl")
  Re: Linux NFS is buggy (abraxas)
  Re: Linux NFS is buggy (abraxas)
  Re: Are we equal? (JEDIDIAH)
  Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (Craig Kelley)



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance...
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:10:28 GMT

On 3 May 2000 10:36:00 -0500, Leslie Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you Leslie for a sane honest answer to my questions.

It's simply incredible to see some of the more rabid Linux users
dancing and avoiding a simple direct question and then attacking the
messenger when they have no answer, or the real answer does not show
Linux in a completely positive manner.

Some of these people would be doing Linux a big favor by NOT
advocating it because the end result is that they are making Linux
look bad and proving the argument that it is an operating system for
elitist programmer types.

I will let the thread die at this point.

Just keep in mind that Win98SE is a very recent product, and
not a free upgrade from any other version.  Most of the
others that replied probably gave up on getting windows

For the ~ cost of a software upgrade, you can get dedicated
hardware to do this sort of thing now...

I've seen more positive traffic regarding such solutions on my cable
provider's newsgroups than 98SE.

[deletia]


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance...
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:05:55 GMT

1.
With software right out of the box, it is IMPOSSIBLE to do Internet
connection sharing securly with ANY MS OS. All you need comes with
Linux.

2. I blame MS for the problems with sharing ANYTHING in a mixed
environment.

3. With software that COMES with MS software it is basiclly IMPOSSIBLE
to do firewalls. All that you need COMES with Linux.



In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So again for the 3rd time, prove me wrong and show me specifically how
 much easier it is to set up:

 1. Internet connection sharing.
 2. Printer/scanner sharing with Linux/Windows mixed system.
 3. Firewall (software based).

 Again under Win98SE:

 1. Internet connection sharing:
   Try help "how do I share my internet connection?" duhh

 2. Printer Sharing:
   Click on Printers/Share  Du again.

 3. Firewall:
   Try Zonealarm which has been written up in just about every
 magazine and trade rag. No configuration necessary. It blocks your
 ports and informs you with a popup everytime something is trying to
 gain access to your system. You have the option of giving access or
 not. No need to type in all kinds of ip addresses although you can do
 that if you wish also.

 So how does one go about doing this easily under Linux?

 It's very easy to do under Windows. Not one file to edit.

 So how about a direct rebuttal to prove me wrong instead of all of the
 lame attempts at deflecting a direct question.

 Is answering a direct question too difficult for the Linux people?




Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance...
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:14:10 GMT

In article 8eod0l$2dqa$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 JEDIDIAH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 1. Internet connection sharing.
 
  Compared to the need to download some strange new package,
  even bare ipchains commands fare better.

 No, Win98SE does it out of the box.


Secure? SNICKER are you claim