Linux-Advocacy Digest #353, Volume #26 Wed, 3 May 00 13:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance... (JEDIDIAH)
Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance...
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance...
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Are we equal? (Craig Kelley)
Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance... (Craig Kelley)
Re: Are we equal? ("Edward L. Sandwicheater")
Re: Linux NFS is buggy ("Cihl")
Re: Linux NFS is buggy (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Linux NFS is buggy (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Linux NFS is buggy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Do us a favor and leave. (Was dreamers) ("Cihl")
Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance... (2:1)
Re: Are we equal? ("Edward L. Sandwicheater")
Re: Help ... ... P l e a s e ? ("Cihl")
Re: Linux NFS is buggy (abraxas)
Re: Linux NFS is buggy (abraxas)
Re: Are we equal? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (Craig Kelley)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance...
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:10:28 GMT
On 3 May 2000 10:36:00 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Thank you Leslie for a sane honest answer to my questions.
>>
>>It's simply incredible to see some of the more rabid Linux users
>>dancing and avoiding a simple direct question and then attacking the
>>messenger when they have no answer, or the real answer does not show
>>Linux in a completely positive manner.
>>
>>Some of these people would be doing Linux a big favor by NOT
>>advocating it because the end result is that they are making Linux
>>look bad and proving the argument that it is an operating system for
>>elitist programmer types.
>>
>>I will let the thread die at this point.
>
>Just keep in mind that Win98SE is a very recent product, and
>not a free upgrade from any other version. Most of the
>others that replied probably gave up on getting windows
For the ~ cost of a software upgrade, you can get dedicated
hardware to do this sort of thing now...
I've seen more positive traffic regarding such solutions on my cable
provider's newsgroups than 98SE.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance...
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:05:55 GMT
1.
With software right out of the box, it is IMPOSSIBLE to do Internet
connection sharing securly with ANY MS OS. All you need comes with
Linux.
2. I blame MS for the problems with sharing ANYTHING in a mixed
environment.
3. With software that COMES with MS software it is basiclly IMPOSSIBLE
to do firewalls. All that you need COMES with Linux.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So again for the 3rd time, prove me wrong and show me specifically how
> much easier it is to set up:
>
> 1. Internet connection sharing.
> 2. Printer/scanner sharing with Linux/Windows mixed system.
> 3. Firewall (software based).
>
> Again under Win98SE:
>
> 1. Internet connection sharing:
> Try help "how do I share my internet connection?" duhhhhhh
>
> 2. Printer Sharing:
> Click on Printers/Share Duhhhh again.
>
> 3. Firewall:
> Try Zonealarm which has been written up in just about every
> magazine and trade rag. No configuration necessary. It blocks your
> ports and informs you with a popup everytime something is trying to
> gain access to your system. You have the option of giving access or
> not. No need to type in all kinds of ip addresses although you can do
> that if you wish also.
>
> So how does one go about doing this easily under Linux?
>
> It's very easy to do under Windows. Not one file to edit.
>
> So how about a direct rebuttal to prove me wrong instead of all of the
> lame attempts at deflecting a direct question.
>
> Is answering a direct question too difficult for the Linux people?
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance...
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:14:10 GMT
In article <8eod0l$2dqa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>1. Internet connection sharing.
> >
> > Compared to the need to download some strange new package,
> > even bare ipchains commands fare better.
>
> No, Win98SE does it out of the box.
>
Secure????????? <SNICKER> are you claiming that Win98SE is a SECURE
platform for seting up internet sharing with a fire wall <Roaring Laugh>
Thanks, I needed that!
> >>So how does one go about doing this easily under Linux?
> >>
> >>It's very easy to do under Windows. Not one file to edit.
> >
> > Yet you can't seem to describe these processes in nice easy
> > steps. They're so simple, yet so hard for you to express.
> >
> > Don't you have enough of those (1000*(steps)) words to describe
> > it all. <snicker>
>
> It really is a yes or no question. Turning it on activates NAT,
> a DHCP server on the NATed range (which it figures out), and
> demand dialing, automatically triggered by client access. And
> maybe some other things I haven't found yet. I was amazed
> that on my dual-boot machine it worked just the same as my
> hand-built setup under Linux down to the way I had set up
> dhcp. Don't compare this to anything prior to SE - they
> got the defaults right this time, although they should warn
> you about running the dhcp server since it would destroy a
> network that was already using one.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Subject: Re: Are we equal?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 03 May 2000 10:07:37 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029) writes:
> >> [...] Why should Elian be allowed to stay in the States? He should
> >> have been back the same day he arrived here.
> >
> > His mother died brining him here.
>
> While that is clearly a tragedy, how does that pertain to this
> discussion? Are you going to claim that everyone whose mother dies in
> the process of gaining illegal entry to a country should have the
> automatic right to stay in that country?
The honoroable congressman Mayor Owens (D - New York) is proposing
just that, and I support him.
I suppose, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I was a
peace corps volunteer for a few years working with the latin people,
and I came to know people from all over south america. My view of
Cuba may have been tainted by them, but they know Cuba better than any
"real" American that I've ever known.
What do you think of the confiscated sedatives that were just found at
the airport (for Elian)?
http://www.foxnews.com/channel/oreilly/commentary.sml
> Elian is well below the age of responsibility, so he didn't choose
> to go to the US. He was not estranged from his father either.
Why can't the father visit with Elian on US soil by himself?
> To me, looking in from outside, it seems that the only reason that
> there is any serious debate on this matter is because there is a
> politically influential group of Cuban exiles in Florida who will do
> virtually anything to get one back at Castro, no matter who they hurt
> in the process. Everything I've read in several UK newspapers of
> varying political persuasions has taken roughly equivalent lines. How
> is this anything other than an unnecessarily cruel farce, with the
> exiles as chief scallywags in this drama?
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2000/04/23/stifgnusa02005.html
Hardly flattering.
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Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance...
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 03 May 2000 10:22:56 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Again under Win98SE:
>
> 1. Internet connection sharing:
> Try help "how do I share my internet connection?" duhhhhhh
[under RedHat Linux]
Click on the network control panel, click on routing, click on
"Network Packet Forwarding (IPv4)"
Now, how do I do IPv6 forwarding under Windows 98se? :)
> 2. Printer Sharing:
> Click on Printers/Share Duhhhh again.
Click on control panel, click on system configuration, click on Samba,
choose "setup for printers", click on "public access".
UNIX print sharing via lpd is automatic.
> 3. Firewall:
> Try Zonealarm which has been written up in just about every
> magazine and trade rag. No configuration necessary. It blocks your
> ports and informs you with a popup everytime something is trying to
> gain access to your system. You have the option of giving access or
> not. No need to type in all kinds of ip addresses although you can do
> that if you wish also.
>
> So how does one go about doing this easily under Linux?
man ipchains
If you want a GUI:
http://icarus.autostock.co.kr/
http://www.prismaopentech.com/kgateway/page.html
> It's very easy to do under Windows. Not one file to edit.
>
> So how about a direct rebuttal to prove me wrong instead of all of the
> lame attempts at deflecting a direct question.
>
> Is answering a direct question too difficult for the Linux people?
*yawn* Whatever.
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Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Edward L. Sandwicheater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:29:42 GMT
JEDIDIAH wrote:
> >Obviously thats not the case. BTW US gunboats turn back those boats too.
>
> Calling a Coast Gaurd cutter a 'gunboat' shows your obvious bias
> on this issue.
>
Saying they are not gunboats shows that you havent seen them, they are
heavily armed.try looking here on the Coast Guards own Page.
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-o/g-opl/images/vivianna.jpg
> >We dont live in paradise,niether do the Cubans but to assume that all
> >Cubans want to leave because some have left is ridiculous.
>
> Quite a few people on the planet seem to have this notion that
> things ARE better in the US. That is what typically inspires
> the influx of people there, rather than Cuba, Albania or China.
>
And this proves what? My point is that not everyone wants to leave their
country just because the have a communist government some people believe
in socialism and/or communism ( i dont, but many do).
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From: "Cihl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux NFS is buggy
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:29:48 GMT
Does, by any chance, the backup stop within the /proc directory?
You can't backup this directory, as it is constantly in use by the kernel
itself. Samba won't work either. Leave /proc out of the backup list and
it'll probably work fine.
"Full Name" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in bericht
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> We have an Ultra 10 running Solaris 2.7 with a SCSI DAT Drive. We NFS
> mount the users' files on a second Ultra, a Sparc 10, an old HP UNIX
> box and an old SCO Intel box so they may be tar'd to tape.
>
> About a month ago we introduced a Linux box (Mandrake 7.x) into the
> equation. What a mistake! The backup stops at random locations
> within the NFS mounted Linux file system. At first we thought the
> tape drive was faulty and dragged a Sun technician out to replace it.
> But the problems still recurred.
>
> We spent a good fortnight getting NFS on the Linux box to work in the
> first place. Now we find it's buggy.
>
> The irony of this is that we are now looking at using a cron job to
> use Samba to backup the users' files onto the NT box sitting on my
> desk. We are hoping that Samba (unlike NFS) works reliably on Linux.
>
> At this stage we are all quite fed up with this pile of crap you
> people seem to think is God's gift to the IT industry.
>
> No wonder they give the thing away.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Linux NFS is buggy
Date: 3 May 2000 11:24:11 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Full Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>We have an Ultra 10 running Solaris 2.7 with a SCSI DAT Drive. We NFS
>mount the users' files on a second Ultra, a Sparc 10, an old HP UNIX
>box and an old SCO Intel box so they may be tar'd to tape.
>
>About a month ago we introduced a Linux box (Mandrake 7.x) into the
>equation. What a mistake! The backup stops at random locations
>within the NFS mounted Linux file system. At first we thought the
>tape drive was faulty and dragged a Sun technician out to replace it.
>But the problems still recurred.
>
>We spent a good fortnight getting NFS on the Linux box to work in the
>first place. Now we find it's buggy.
You'll find NFS bugs everywhere, including Solaris. Be sure you
have the latest patches (although I thought 2.7 was OK, 2.6 wasn't).
On the Linux side you might want to start with the VALinux distribution
that you can find at ftp://ftp.valinux.com/pub/software/VALinux/
because it will have H. J. Lu's patches applied already.
>The irony of this is that we are now looking at using a cron job to
>use Samba to backup the users' files onto the NT box sitting on my
>desk. We are hoping that Samba (unlike NFS) works reliably on Linux.
If what you really want is a backup, why don't you use a multi-platform
backup tool like the free amanda from www.amanda.org? Or just
rsh tar from one machine to dd on the other machine if you want
to keep it simple. NFS isn't that great for backups anyway.
>At this stage we are all quite fed up with this pile of crap you
>people seem to think is God's gift to the IT industry.
>
>No wonder they give the thing away.
What were you doing in the time you claim you spent 'making NFS work'?
It couldn't have been checking previous newsgroup postings for
the answers or you would have found them in minutes. Yet here
you are posting in newsgroups....
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Linux NFS is buggy
Date: 3 May 2000 11:28:55 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux....
>
>Two questions if I may ask?
>
>Why in the world would you want to poison a professional, time proven
>real Unix operating system like Solaris with junk like Linux?
That's funny, considering that at least if the Solaris had been
2.6 or earlier, the bug would have been on that side instead.
>How many man hours billed in dollars/hour have you spent already
>trying to make this thing work?
>
>That's the hidden part of Linux they like to ignore.
And equally funny considering that a search on dejanews will
find the answers in seconds, including the problem number
that you need to find the solaris patches.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux NFS is buggy
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:18:59 GMT
And what about the NFS that comes with Windows????? Ha, nothing! HA!
welcome the the wonderful world of windows. Pay thought the nose to BYE
the OS then Pay though the nose to connect it to a Unix server! That is,
Unless you use SAMBA from the Unix side! Hmmm, common onebite WHAT TOOLS
COME WITH MS SOFTWARE TO CONNECT WITH UNIX OR LINUX????
BTH, NFS does all we need mounting Linux to Unix or Unix to Linux.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux....
>
> Two questions if I may ask?
>
> Why in the world would you want to poison a professional, time proven
> real Unix operating system like Solaris with junk like Linux?
>
> How many man hours billed in dollars/hour have you spent already
> trying to make this thing work?
>
> That's the hidden part of Linux they like to ignore.
>
> On Wed, 03 May 2000 13:39:55 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Full Name) wrote:
>
> >We have an Ultra 10 running Solaris 2.7 with a SCSI DAT Drive. We
NFS
> >mount the users' files on a second Ultra, a Sparc 10, an old HP UNIX
> >box and an old SCO Intel box so they may be tar'd to tape.
> >
> >About a month ago we introduced a Linux box (Mandrake 7.x) into the
> >equation. What a mistake! The backup stops at random locations
> >within the NFS mounted Linux file system. At first we thought the
> >tape drive was faulty and dragged a Sun technician out to replace it.
> >But the problems still recurred.
> >
> >We spent a good fortnight getting NFS on the Linux box to work in the
> >first place. Now we find it's buggy.
> >
> >The irony of this is that we are now looking at using a cron job to
> >use Samba to backup the users' files onto the NT box sitting on my
> >desk. We are hoping that Samba (unlike NFS) works reliably on Linux.
> >
> >At this stage we are all quite fed up with this pile of crap you
> >people seem to think is God's gift to the IT industry.
> >
> >No wonder they give the thing away.
>
>
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From: "Cihl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Do us a favor and leave. (Was dreamers)
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:38:24 GMT
Firewalling and IP-sharing are much easier set up in Windows than in Linux,
simply because Microsoft aims primarily at userfriendliness. Linux, on the
other hand, aims at configurability, which often seems to be in direct
contradiction with userfriendliness.
But you'll see, Linux will catch up sooner or later. Linux isn't there to
destroy Microsoft, Linux these days is there primarily there to test a
different philosophy behind making software. And, to be honest, for the
sheer -fun- of it. :-)
It seems to be working already! It has become big enough to attract
attention from big companies like Microsoft, which, to me, is actually a big
compliment! Thanks very much!
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in bericht
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> A person puts up a scenario and everybody attacks him. That really makes
> a lot of sense in a group that is supposed to be advocating Linux. I use
> Linux and I like it a lot, but I also use Windows and I know for a fact
> that what he is trying to do is so much easier under Windows. It is not
> as flexible nor powerful but you don't have to know an ip address from a
> mac address to do it.
>
> It would have been much more productive if the question was answered
> with the focus on learning something and flexability instead of
> attacking him for not being a Linux expert.
>
> You so called advocates should really do us and Linux a favor if you
> would simply leave this group because you are making the rest of us, and
> we outnumber you by far, look bad.
>
> Who would even want to try Linux after reading some of the responses
> given?
>
>
>
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance...
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:40:07 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> What kind of an idiotic answer is that?
>
> People want to share internet connections.
> People want to share resources (printers).
> People want some kind of security protection.
Realistically, how many people have a home network?
I found, that at home, the easiest way to share printers was to unplug
and move them...
But back to your question:
OK, so windows is easier to set up than linux for a firewall, but the
results aren't as secure, so it's your choice: expend more effort to
have a better system, or expend less effort and have a worse system.
As for sharing network connections, all you have to do is get the two
linux boxes networked, which isn't hard at all - linuxconf under X will
do it.
I haven't actually tried printer sharing under linux, so I won't commen
on that.
-Ed
> And people would like it to be simple to set up.
>
> You are saying that this is not an important set of items?
>
> Windows makes this extremely easy and as of yet nobody has shown me
> precisely how Linux is at least as easy.
>
> A half answer like "Samba comes installed" is not an answer.
>
> So again:
>
> How about an answer.
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From: "Edward L. Sandwicheater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:43:37 GMT
"Edward L. Sandwicheater" wrote:
>
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
> > >Obviously thats not the case. BTW US gunboats turn back those boats too.
> >
> > Calling a Coast Gaurd cutter a 'gunboat' shows your obvious bias
> > on this issue.
> >
>
> Saying they are not gunboats shows that you havent seen them, they are
> heavily armed.try looking here on the Coast Guards own Page.
> http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-o/g-opl/images/vivianna.jpg
>
More about the Coast guard cutter that you imply isnt a gun boat.
Length: 270 Feet Length at
Waterline: 255 feet
Beam: 38 Feet
Draft: 14 feet
Displacement: 1,780 Tons Maximum
Speed: 20 knots
Propulsion: Twin V-18 ALCO diesel engines each delivering 3,600
shaft horsepower, twin
reduction gears, twin shafts and rudders, twin 9 foot
diameter controllable
pitch propellers
Armament: MK-75 Gun, 76mm rapid fire, fully automatic MK-92
Gunfire Control System,
Super Rapid Blooming Off-Board Chaff Launchers, 50
Caliber Machine Guns and
small arms.
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From: "Cihl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help ... ... P l e a s e ?
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:46:42 GMT
"tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in bericht
news:8eo59f$m63$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> (also posted to alt.linux)
>
> There seem to be a lot of people who post here to defend Linux. Maybe
> one or two of you will be willing & able to give me a hand at
> installing it. Everyone ignored me in the comp.os.linux.setup group
> (or didn't know the answer), so I'll try this here.
>
> I've tried to install two versions of Linux that I got from CheapBytes
> (the download version Corel and Caldera OpenLinux 2.3) on a P266
> w/128ram, but I haven't had any luck at all. I'm hoping someone here
> can help.
>
> 1. First Caldera...
>
> I set up a 2G partition on my C: drive(8.6G) for linux using fips, and
> formatted the partition so that Windows also recognizes it.
>
> I first tried the Winsetup option with Caldera, where it boots into
> MSDOS, then runs the install routine. It freezes with the message that
> it can't mount root, or something like that.
>
> So I next tried the floppy install option. This gets to the point
> where the Tetris clone game comes up to entertain you while the
> installation is in process. I've heard that you DO NOT play the game
> or install will freeze up. However, the install didn't seem to be
> doing anything anyway. I waited about 10-15min, but nothing seemed to
> happen (and the hd never seemed to have any activity).
>
> 2. Corel - This is kind of weird. On the install, it gets to the setup
> screen, says it's loading Linux, then booting Linux, then detecting
> hardware. THEN, the screen fades to black, after a few seconds, the
> CDrom pops open and closed, the setup screen comes up again, says it's
> loading Linux, then booting Linux,.....etc. etc. over and over.
>
> (3.) Oh yes, I also d/l'd Armed Linux over the weekend. This installed
> just fine, but the startup crashed some message like "Kernel Panic:
> Cannot boot into fs ...")
>
> I'm starting to think there's something funky about my system. Any
> ideas?
>
> Tom
I'd like some more information.
What does the partitioning table on your harddisk look like? (with regard to
the 1024 cylinder limit)
What hardware do you have in your computer -exactly-? (hardware detection
failure, very common with ISAPnP and/or jumpered devices)
Also, first advice, get yourself a brand new distribution, like SuSE 6.4 or
RedHat 6.2. The newest distributions have much better hardware-support and
you get an installation manual, which is mandatory for beginners.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: Linux NFS is buggy
Date: 3 May 2000 16:49:31 GMT
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3 May 2000 14:03:50 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Full Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> At this stage we are all quite fed up with this pile of crap you
>>> people seem to think is God's gift to the IT industry.
>>
>>You're not implementing it correctly. Linux is a fine workstation OS, and
>>not very good for most other things.
> "free Unix server" "God's gift to the IT industry"
> Yup, those two are pretty much equivalent. You might have to
> bang it into place for awhile but at least you don't have to
> get a purchase order for it.
I always find it funny when an IT department that buys completely into
W2K's hype and then later becomes annoyed at how broken it is---becomes even
more annoyed when they buy into redhat's (among others) hype and find out
how broken IT is.
Seriously man, if you have very important network type stuff to do and you
dont want to pay for an operating system, do yourself a favor and use one
of the many BSDs.
> It aint no VMS, but then again: NT aint either.
AIX has lots of VMSey features. Too bad its not free.
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: Linux NFS is buggy
Date: 3 May 2000 16:54:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux....
You mean the one that you dont understand?
> Two questions if I may ask?
> Why in the world would you want to poison a professional, time proven
> real Unix operating system like Solaris with junk like Linux?
Theres lots of reasons to do it. In my environment, I have a few linux
boxes set up to do light-to-medium duty workstation things (graphics
manipulation, playing mp3s, light database management) and pull displays
off the very large and powerful Sun boxen (420r's mostly). Works
great.
> How many man hours billed in dollars/hour have you spent already
> trying to make this thing work?
Ive never had a problem making NFS work under linux. I havent done it
too often though, and when I do I make sure that im implementing it
correctly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 16:57:03 GMT
On Wed, 03 May 2000 16:29:42 GMT, Edward L. Sandwicheater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> >Obviously thats not the case. BTW US gunboats turn back those boats too.
>>
>> Calling a Coast Gaurd cutter a 'gunboat' shows your obvious bias
>> on this issue.
>>
>
>Saying they are not gunboats shows that you havent seen them, they are
>heavily armed.try looking here on the Coast Guards own Page.
>http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-o/g-opl/images/vivianna.jpg
You've got to be kidding.
PT Boats had more firepower than that.
A HMMV with a MK-19 has more firepower than that.
[deletia]
Mebbe to the Cuban Navy this is a 'gunboat'.
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Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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Crossposted-To: alt.lang.basic,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 03 May 2000 10:56:02 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arclight) writes:
> On Tue, 2 May 2000 18:26:50 -0700, "Bob May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Go buy a new copy of Word for Windows 1.0.
> >Go buy a new copy of Visual Basic 2.0
> >YOU CAN'T!!!!! All you can buy is the newer versions of the programs
> >which also cost a lot more than the earlier versions.
>
> So? what's wrong with that?
We run Office97.
How do we buy new copies for the new machines (which aren't just
replacing the old ones).
Either we all have to upgrade to Office2000, or the new machines go
without...
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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