Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On 19/01/07, Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday, 19 בJanuary 2007 00:22, Dotan Cohen wrote: I was thinking along the lines of log files filling up logrotate? and dns cache files filling up. What dns cache files? AFAIK, named(8) has a memory cache only. [even if it did have disk cache, isn't simpler to trim cache files than reinstall your operating system :-O I'm not so good at CS- non of us Mechanical ENgineering types are :) I just figured that if things were slowing down the likelyhood of the problem being on my end of the cable was greater. Now let's assume that I'm wrong. So I'll call Actocom and tell them: Hi Actom, Dotan speaking. I have no benchmark figures other than Shimi's speed test to go by, but I think that my net connection is slower than usual. Actually, Shimi's says that it's the same as it always was. I think that I'm experiencing latency. Please fix And Alex (or Sergei, or Boris) will say: Everything is fine with our systems, must be something with your computer And being how I know not so much about networks, and therefore can bring no smart argument, I'll say OK, thanks. So, what CAN I tell them? I need a smart argument, not a well I think it's slower argument. Better yet, what can I check to PROVE that there is a problem on their end? Thanks. Dotan Cohen http://technology-sleuth.com/long_answer/what_is_hdtv.html http://what-is-what.com/what_is/black_light.html
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On Friday, 19 בJanuary 2007 14:04, Dotan Cohen wrote: So, what CAN I tell them? I need a smart argument, not a well I think it's slower argument. Better yet, what can I check to PROVE that there is a problem on their end? Instead of trying to prove, you can try to use simple tools that would give you a rough idea if there is an exceptional problem and where is its probable location: 1. Check the round trip time when you ping various targets (your ISP mail server, some big Israeli sites, some big US sites, etc.) 2. Even better, traceroute the same addresses and see where you accumulate the biggest latencies (the 'ms' numbers in the end of each line). 3. Even easier to use is 'mtr' (a combination of ping and traceroute). Note that this only give you *latencies* and not *bandwidth*, however if your performance dropped significantly, it'll probably show in the latency as well. -- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron ICQ UIN: 16527398 Windows is NOT a virus: a virus is small and efficient. --Jonathan Leffler, Informix = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 15:06 +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: If you spend most of your time browsing the web, you can do the following to speed things up: 3. Limit the size of your disk cache, but note that it does limit the size of files you can download with the browser with some browsers. How come ? downloads are not going into the cache - they're downloads. Even if they'd somehow would supposedly need to go into the cache, I'm sure that any browser software is not stupid enough to forbid a download just because it can't get into the cache: it will instead simply not cache it. Also - limiting the size of your cache will much more likely cause your web browsing to be slower, check out your next suggestion: 4. If you share your connection among several computers, install and use Squid. i.e. - increasing disk cache will increase performance. -- Oded ::.. Bernard Shaw is an excellent man; he has not an enemy in the world, and none of his friends like him either. -- Oscar Wilde = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: Hi Peter, I've noticed these problems also. Seems to come and go. We are also using Actcom. It is not just actcom, I checked 3 providers, in the country and out of it. All had problems. Maybe a backbone router died or something. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: Hi Peter, I've noticed these problems also. Seems to come and go. We are also using Actcom. - yba Actcom was purchased by Bezeq Ben-leumi. Maybe this is the result?? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
Micha Silver wrote: Actcom was purchased by Bezeq Ben-leumi. Maybe this is the result?? Let's not start the FUD, shall we? In Equal Rites, by Terry Pratchett, an old witch is teaching an apprentice witch the secrets of the trade. She comes to the subject of curses. The quote goes, loosely: One day you, too, will have to curse. Make it long. Make it unpronounceable. Make it up if you have to. The next day, when his finger is hit by an accidental hammer, he'll remember your course. Just to set the record straight, Actcom was not, yet, purchased by anyone. The deal is awaiting the approval of the government. If the relevant branch (not sure which one it is, probably in the chamber of commerce) decide that there is danger that such a merger will reduce the competition in Israel dangerously low then the deal will not be approved at all. Until the deal is approved (and, probably, for some time after it's approved) you see absolutely no change in anything regarding service from the company. I think it's fairly safe to say that whatever the problem is, whether it's a problem on Peter's computer, in the infrastructure, or at Actcom's, it has nothing to do with the planned acquisition. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 10:32:39AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Until the deal is approved (and, probably, for some time after it's approved) you see absolutely no change in anything regarding service from the company. That's an interesting point, but IMHO completely wrong. You are assuming that announcing the deal had no effect on ActCom. For example, I will NEVER purchase anything that comes from BEZEQ International (BBL). If they become the ONLY company selling Internet access in the country, I'll live without it. Since my yearly contract with HOT and Netvision is up this month, and my connection has deteriorated in terms of staying up, from one failure every other month, to three or four a week, I'm looking for alternatives. Now that the possibility exists that if I sign up with ActCom, I'll end up with BBL, they are no longer under consideration. While I doubt that most people don't feel as strongly as I do, there are lots of people out there who won't use their services. If they were considering a new ISP, they won't consider ActCom, if they were ActCom customers and their contract is up, they will change ISPs. This will cause ActCom's income to go down, which means they will have to reduce their expenses. One thing you don't want to do is to have lower profits when you are trying to sell your company. Since most people have no idea of what performance they get, or are supposed to get, the first thing ActCom will do is to reduce the international bandwidth they buy. This has probably started already, and will continue. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Micha Silver wrote: Actcom was purchased by Bezeq Ben-leumi. Maybe this is the result?? I knew that. And the other two providers ? Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: This has probably started already, and will continue. I do not agree. The bandwidth contracts cannot be cut at such short notice. Also the problems affected everyone (3 providers) during the time I was complaining about. The problems seem to be caused by high load (dropped packets) and maybe misconfig on the backbone switches and routers (which should be set up to put torrent streaming traffic where it belongs, at equal bandwidth with other services - as you know a torrent download will connect simultaneously to several hosts and pull data as fast as it can, and may drop and reconnect several times as the network can't cope or slows down). The bittorrent issue could be partly responsible. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On 18/01/07, Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 10:32:39AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Until the deal is approved (and, probably, for some time after it's approved) you see absolutely no change in anything regarding service from the company. That's an interesting point, but IMHO completely wrong. You are assuming that announcing the deal had no effect on ActCom. For example, I will NEVER purchase anything that comes from BEZEQ International (BBL). If they become the ONLY company selling Internet access in the country, I'll live without it. Since my yearly contract with HOT and Netvision is up this month, and my connection has deteriorated in terms of staying up, from one failure every other month, to three or four a week, I'm looking for alternatives. Now that the possibility exists that if I sign up with ActCom, I'll end up with BBL, they are no longer under consideration. While I doubt that most people don't feel as strongly as I do, there are lots of people out there who won't use their services. If they were considering a new ISP, they won't consider ActCom, if they were ActCom customers and their contract is up, they will change ISPs. This will cause ActCom's income to go down, which means they will have to reduce their expenses. One thing you don't want to do is to have lower profits when you are trying to sell your company. Since most people have no idea of what performance they get, or are supposed to get, the first thing ActCom will do is to reduce the international bandwidth they buy. This has probably started already, and will continue. Geoff. I've actually been very happy with Actcom. I've got my own static IP address and a 1.5 MB line for 40 shaH a month. Before I had a router, they help me set up scripts to connect me to the 'net. If Bezek buys them I'll stay so long as it's Actcom representatives that I deal with and not Bezek idiots. However, the day I call them and someone answers the phone with the word Bezek in their mouth, I'm gone. That said, I've noticed a slowdown of my net access over the past few weeks. I thought that it was entrophy building up in my distro, and that the time had come to reinstall. Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/627/ziro.html http://slashedot.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On Thursday, 18 בJanuary 2007 16:46, Dotan Cohen wrote: That said, I've noticed a slowdown of my net access over the past few weeks. I thought that it was entrophy building up in my distro, and that the time had come to reinstall. Care to explain? How exactly does entropy build up in your distro? Disk fragmentation I can understand, but a re-installation that would accelerate your packets is some new theory I haven't heard of. -- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron ICQ UIN: 16527398 .. Complex problems have simple, easy to understand wrong answers. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 13:39 +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Companies that are also long distance carriers split their bandwidth between telephone and Internet service. They adjust it on the fly to keep the phones working. When there are lots of calls in progress, Internet bandwidth is decreased. I would argue that there are ISPs in Israel which have lines dedicated to internet as they are not telephony carriers, but this really isn't the case anymore, right ? ;-) If at their main routers, an ISP lowers the peak useage available to their Internet customers, their throughput and peak useage charges go down. This does not require a contract change, notification of customers, etc. As far as I know, the actual pipes leading out of Israel (fiber and satellites) are far from being fully utilized (I no longer have up to date figures, but I'd be surprised if int'l connectivity is at over 50% capacity), and its cheaper to get more bandwidth on demand then lower throughput to customers, in case of unexpected usage peaks. -- Oded ::.. Self test for paranoia: You know you have it when you can't think of anything that's your own fault. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On 18/01/07, Oron Peled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, 18 בJanuary 2007 16:46, Dotan Cohen wrote: That said, I've noticed a slowdown of my net access over the past few weeks. I thought that it was entrophy building up in my distro, and that the time had come to reinstall. Care to explain? How exactly does entropy build up in your distro? Disk fragmentation I can understand, but a re-installation that would accelerate your packets is some new theory I haven't heard of. I was thinking along the lines of log files filling up and dns cache files filling up. What do I know about that stuff? :) But until I prove otherwise, I always assume that the fault lies with myself and my system rather than the providers of services. Certainly there are problems that I don't know about that could cause my net access to appear slower with time. Even something as simple as adding too many Firefox extensions can have that effect. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com/what_is/ram.html http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/664/p-funk.html
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 21:42 +0200, Oron Peled wrote: On Thursday, 18 בJanuary 2007 16:46, Dotan Cohen wrote: That said, I've noticed a slowdown of my net access over the past few weeks. I thought that it was entrophy building up in my distro, and that the time had come to reinstall. Care to explain? How exactly does entropy build up in your distro? Disk fragmentation I can understand, but a re-installation that would accelerate your packets is some new theory I haven't heard of. I thought its obvious from the second law of thermodynamics ? -- Oded ::.. Software is like Entropy: it's hard to grasp, weighs nothing and obeys the Second Law of Thermodynamics, i.e. it always increases -- Norman Augustine = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 12:18:23AM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: As far as I know, the actual pipes leading out of Israel (fiber and satellites) are far from being fully utilized (I no longer have up to date figures, but I'd be surprised if int'l connectivity is at over 50% capacity), and its cheaper to get more bandwidth on demand then lower throughput to customers, in case of unexpected usage peaks. But that's not my point. While it's cheaper to get more bandwidth on demand, if you are trying to raise profits in anticipation of selling the company, then the easiest way is to limit your throughput, if you pay by either (or both) throughput (bytes transfered) or peak demand. Since during peak demand people have gotten used to lower performance, they hardly could tell. If you can limit your peak bandwidth to 90% of what it was and save 10% of your real costs, it would make a big difference. Your customers probably would not notice, but the purchaser of your company would. By the time the customers figured out what happened, the sale would have been made, and you would be sitting on a beach in Tahiti. :-) Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
On Friday, 19 בJanuary 2007 00:22, Dotan Cohen wrote: I was thinking along the lines of log files filling up logrotate? and dns cache files filling up. What dns cache files? AFAIK, named(8) has a memory cache only. [even if it did have disk cache, isn't simpler to trim cache files than reinstall your operating system :-O -- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron ICQ UIN: 16527398 We continue to live in a world where all our know-how is locked into binary files in an unknown format. If our documents are our corporate memory, Microsoft still has us all condemned to Alzheimer's. -- Simon Phipps = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
Hi Peter,
I've noticed these problems also. Seems to come and go. We are also using
Actcom.
- yba
On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Peter wrote:
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:24:39 +0200 (IST)
From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: IGLU [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Internet speed and page loading problems ?
Hi all,
I see a lot of slowdowns and page loading problems lately. The networks are
very heavily loaded or what ? Loading sites like ynet.com always leaves
pages loading for minutes (Firefox) until they complete. What is causing this
? Many foreign sites do not have this problem. Today even Google had the same
symptoms. I run my own server as a sandbox and there was difficulty loading
images and so on from the outside. Images would transfer 70-90% and then
stall. What is on ?
Peter
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