Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 03.06.2010 um 13:03 schrieb Stephan Witt:

 Am 03.06.2010 um 12:48 schrieb Jean-Marc LASGOUTTES:
 
 Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net writes:
 I suspect some broken font cache in my user environment of mac os.
 I googled a hint how to fix this for acrobat reader.
 
 Did you try to clear the font cache with an application like Onyx? This
 is a very common mac problem.
 
 No, I didn't. 
 AFAIK I have to reboot after clearing font cache with Onyx too.

Now I did it. But it does not improve the situation.
The Times font is really broken. I have to experiment with another user account.
I can see an entry Times in my ~/Library/Fonts, don't know if it is standard or
if it is installed by some Office package. And the umlauts display problem is
manifest in OpenOffice too. See the second line in the screen shot below.

inline: Bildschirmfoto 2010-06-04 um 08.53.48.png


Am 03.06.2010 um 13:02 schrieb Anders Ekberg:

 
 Long shot, but could the fix that was done some year ago to hardcode Times to 
 Times New Roman (due to an error where a wrong screen font was shown) have an 
 influence here?
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/3684

I had a look and would say it is not related. At least there is no Qt-bug in 
the display of umlauts.
Maybe the cursor positioning thing is another story...

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 03.06.2010 um 13:03 schrieb Stephan Witt:

> Am 03.06.2010 um 12:48 schrieb Jean-Marc LASGOUTTES:
> 
>> Stephan Witt  writes:
>>> I suspect some broken font cache in my user environment of mac os.
>>> I googled a hint how to fix this for acrobat reader.
>> 
>> Did you try to clear the font cache with an application like Onyx? This
>> is a very common mac problem.
> 
> No, I didn't. 
> AFAIK I have to reboot after clearing font cache with Onyx too.

Now I did it. But it does not improve the situation.
The Times font is really broken. I have to experiment with another user account.
I can see an entry Times in my ~/Library/Fonts, don't know if it is standard or
if it is installed by some Office package. And the umlauts display problem is
manifest in OpenOffice too. See the second line in the screen shot below.

<>


Am 03.06.2010 um 13:02 schrieb Anders Ekberg:

> 
> Long shot, but could the fix that was done some year ago to hardcode Times to 
> Times New Roman (due to an error where a wrong screen font was shown) have an 
> influence here?
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/3684

I had a look and would say it is not related. At least there is no Qt-bug in 
the display of umlauts.
Maybe the cursor positioning thing is another story...

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 06/03/2010 10:59 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

It looks like I have a broken Times font in my user font cache.
If I change the screen font for serifs to Georgia the users guide is 
displayed ok.
   


Question: Do you have the pixmap cahe enabled in LookFeel  Screen Fonts?

Maybe the bug is there...

Abdel.

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 03.06.2010 um 11:06 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:

 On 06/03/2010 10:59 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:
 It looks like I have a broken Times font in my user font cache.
 If I change the screen font for serifs to Georgia the users guide is 
 displayed ok.
   
 
 Question: Do you have the pixmap cahe enabled in LookFeel  Screen Fonts?
 
 Maybe the bug is there...

Short answer: no.

I suspect some broken font cache in my user environment of mac os.
I googled a hint how to fix this for acrobat reader.

But I have to reboot twice to fix this and didn't want to do it until now.
Finally it is not sure it's solved then.

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[Jean-Marc LASGOUTTES]

Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net writes:
 I suspect some broken font cache in my user environment of mac os.
 I googled a hint how to fix this for acrobat reader.

Did you try to clear the font cache with an application like Onyx? This
is a very common mac problem.

JMarc

Re: Branch frozen

[Anders Ekberg]

On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:59 , Stephan Witt wrote:

 Am 02.06.2010 um 14:05 schrieb BH:
 
 On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 
 There is a difference in display of text as demonstrated by the following 
 two screen shots.
 Qt4.7 is slightly better but the umlauts are not displayed correctly too.
 
 The first is produced with the alpha3 release made with 
 qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.6.2.
 
 
 
 
 The second one I've made with the current lyx-svn + qt-4.7.0-beta1.
 
 That's strange. I can't reproduce this with Qt-4.7b1 (see attached).
 
 And notice that even in your screenshots there is the misplaced
 cursor problem: note how much space there is between the end of long
 words (like selbsterklärend) and following punctuation. (It seems
 worse in qt-4.7, but it's there in qt4.6.2.) Once again, though, this
 is not apparent in my screenshot.
 
 It looks like I have a broken Times font in my user font cache.
 If I change the screen font for serifs to Georgia the users guide is 
 displayed ok.

Long shot, but could the fix that was done some year ago to hardcode Times to 
Times New Roman (due to an error where a wrong screen font was shown) have an 
influence here?
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/3684

/Anders

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 03.06.2010 um 12:48 schrieb Jean-Marc LASGOUTTES:

 Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net writes:
 I suspect some broken font cache in my user environment of mac os.
 I googled a hint how to fix this for acrobat reader.
 
 Did you try to clear the font cache with an application like Onyx? This
 is a very common mac problem.

No, I didn't. 
AFAIK I have to reboot after clearing font cache with Onyx too.

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 BTW, I couldn't compile Qt4.7 with GCC 4.0... so Tiger support seems 
 impossible for Qt4.7.
 How did you compile Qt4.7+LyX?

I haven't been able to do it. That's why I've switched to the
precompiled Qt for 4.6 and 4.7.

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Abdelrazak Younes]

On 06/03/2010 10:59 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

It looks like I have a broken Times font in my user font cache.
If I change the screen font for serifs to "Georgia" the users guide is 
displayed ok.
   


Question: Do you have the pixmap cahe enabled in Look > Screen Fonts?

Maybe the bug is there...

Abdel.

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 03.06.2010 um 11:06 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes:

> On 06/03/2010 10:59 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:
>> It looks like I have a broken Times font in my user font cache.
>> If I change the screen font for serifs to "Georgia" the users guide is 
>> displayed ok.
>>   
> 
> Question: Do you have the pixmap cahe enabled in Look > Screen Fonts?
> 
> Maybe the bug is there...

Short answer: no.

I suspect some broken font cache in my user environment of mac os.
I googled a hint how to fix this for acrobat reader.

But I have to reboot twice to fix this and didn't want to do it until now.
Finally it is not sure it's solved then.

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[Jean-Marc LASGOUTTES]

Stephan Witt  writes:
> I suspect some broken font cache in my user environment of mac os.
> I googled a hint how to fix this for acrobat reader.

Did you try to clear the font cache with an application like Onyx? This
is a very common mac problem.

JMarc

Re: Branch frozen

[Anders Ekberg]

On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:59 , Stephan Witt wrote:

> Am 02.06.2010 um 14:05 schrieb BH:
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
>> 
>>> There is a difference in display of text as demonstrated by the following 
>>> two screen shots.
>>> Qt4.7 is slightly better but the umlauts are not displayed correctly too.
>>> 
>>> The first is produced with the alpha3 release made with 
>>> qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.6.2.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The second one I've made with the current lyx-svn + qt-4.7.0-beta1.
>> 
>> That's strange. I can't reproduce this with Qt-4.7b1 (see attached).
>> 
>> And notice that even in your screenshots there is the "misplaced
>> cursor" problem: note how much space there is between the end of long
>> words (like "selbsterklärend") and following punctuation. (It seems
>> worse in qt-4.7, but it's there in qt4.6.2.) Once again, though, this
>> is not apparent in my screenshot.
> 
> It looks like I have a broken Times font in my user font cache.
> If I change the screen font for serifs to "Georgia" the users guide is 
> displayed ok.

Long shot, but could the fix that was done some year ago to hardcode Times to 
Times New Roman (due to an error where a wrong screen font was shown) have an 
influence here?
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/3684

/Anders

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 03.06.2010 um 12:48 schrieb Jean-Marc LASGOUTTES:

> Stephan Witt  writes:
>> I suspect some broken font cache in my user environment of mac os.
>> I googled a hint how to fix this for acrobat reader.
> 
> Did you try to clear the font cache with an application like Onyx? This
> is a very common mac problem.

No, I didn't. 
AFAIK I have to reboot after clearing font cache with Onyx too.

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
> BTW, I couldn't compile Qt4.7 with GCC 4.0... so Tiger support seems 
> impossible for Qt4.7.
> How did you compile Qt4.7+LyX?

I haven't been able to do it. That's why I've switched to the
precompiled Qt for 4.6 and 4.7.

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 02.06.2010 um 10:39 schrieb Stephan Witt:

 Am 18.05.2010 um 22:46 schrieb Stephan Witt:
 
 Am 18.05.2010 um 20:01 schrieb Andre Poenitz:
 
 On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 05:52:54PM +0200, Stephan Witt wrote:
 Am 17.05.2010 um 21:27 schrieb Andre Poenitz:
 
 On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:20:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list
 revival, I will try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.
 
 please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build
 it against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).
 
 Can anyone remind me what the issues with Qt 4.5/4.6/4.7 are?
 
 Andre', do you think LyX builds with Qt 4.7 are running better then with 
 4.6?
 
 That's what I'd try to figure out once I know what the problems in 4.5
 and 4.6 are.  The problems being present only on Mac does not make it
 easier for me, though...
 
 I have to admit that I ignored some font oddities I saw since my upgrade to 
 Snow Leopard.
 And it's not only LyX where I saw it. The umlauts of times roman fonts e.g.
 Maybe it's not a Qt or LyX problem...
 
 Should I try this?
 
 In any case I would not expect much changes (if any at all) in the areas
 that are interesting for LyX before 4.7.0 from now on, so for all
 practical reasons 4.7.0 beta1 should be as good or as bad as the final
 from LyX's point of view.
 
 So I'll give it a try.
 
 There have been changes to the font handling in 4.7 cycle, also
 regarding the x positioning of glyphs. I've been bitten by one bug there
 myself, but this has been fixed again in the mean time.
 
 Maybe someone who knows how to reproduce the 4.5/4.6 problem could
 indeed try 4.7.0 beta and see whether it makes a difference?
 
 I've built the svn version with the qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.7.0-beta1 
 download.
 
 There is a difference in display of text as demonstrated by the following two 
 screen shots.
 Qt4.7 is slightly better but the umlauts are not displayed correctly too.
 
 The first is produced with the alpha3 release made with 
 qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.6.2.
 
 Bildschirmfoto 2010-06-02 um 10.24.35.png
 
 The second one I've made with the current lyx-svn + qt-4.7.0-beta1.
 
 Bildschirmfoto 2010-06-02 um 10.24.59.png
 
 With both versions I cannot reproduce the so called 4.5/4.6 problem.

Ok, I have to correct my last statement.

With Qt4.7.0 beta I have drawing problems with very long words. Then the cursor 
is drawn right shifted. The longer the word is the wider the offset of the 
misplaced cursor is. This is a problem I don't have with Qt4.6.2.

See the screenshot below:

inline: Bildschirmfoto 2010-06-02 um 12.28.57.png

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 02.06.2010 um 14:05 schrieb BH:

 On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Stephan Witt st.w...@gmx.net wrote:
 
 There is a difference in display of text as demonstrated by the following 
 two screen shots.
 Qt4.7 is slightly better but the umlauts are not displayed correctly too.
 
 The first is produced with the alpha3 release made with 
 qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.6.2.
 
 The second one I've made with the current lyx-svn + qt-4.7.0-beta1.
 
 That's strange. I can't reproduce this with Qt-4.7b1 (see attached).
 
 And notice that even in your screenshots there is the misplaced
 cursor problem: note how much space there is between the end of long
 words (like selbsterklärend) and following punctuation. (It seems
 worse in qt-4.7, but it's there in qt4.6.2.) Once again, though, this
 is not apparent in my screenshot.

Yes, you're right. I've no clue what happens here :(

My account on Snow Leopard is migrated from Leopard...
...and I can see some strange glyphs within the Preview app too.

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 02.06.2010 um 10:39 schrieb Stephan Witt:

> Am 18.05.2010 um 22:46 schrieb Stephan Witt:
> 
>> Am 18.05.2010 um 20:01 schrieb Andre Poenitz:
>> 
>>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 05:52:54PM +0200, Stephan Witt wrote:
 Am 17.05.2010 um 21:27 schrieb Andre Poenitz:
 
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:20:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
>> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>>> Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list
>>> revival, I will try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.
>> 
>> please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build
>> it against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).
> 
> Can anyone remind me what the issues with Qt 4.5/4.6/4.7 are?
 
 Andre', do you think LyX builds with Qt 4.7 are running better then with 
 4.6?
>>> 
>>> That's what I'd try to figure out once I know what the problems in 4.5
>>> and 4.6 are.  The problems being present only on Mac does not make it
>>> easier for me, though...
>> 
>> I have to admit that I ignored some font oddities I saw since my upgrade to 
>> Snow Leopard.
>> And it's not only LyX where I saw it. The umlauts of times roman fonts e.g.
>> Maybe it's not a Qt or LyX problem...
>> 
 Should I try this?
>> 
>>> In any case I would not expect much changes (if any at all) in the areas
>>> that are interesting for LyX before 4.7.0 from now on, so for all
>>> practical reasons 4.7.0 beta1 should be as good or as bad as the final
>>> from LyX's point of view.
>> 
>> So I'll give it a try.
>> 
>>> There have been changes to the font handling in 4.7 cycle, also
>>> regarding the x positioning of glyphs. I've been bitten by one bug there
>>> myself, but this has been fixed again in the mean time.
>>> 
>>> Maybe someone who knows how to reproduce the 4.5/4.6 problem could
>>> indeed try 4.7.0 beta and see whether it makes a difference?
> 
> I've built the svn version with the qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.7.0-beta1 
> download.
> 
> There is a difference in display of text as demonstrated by the following two 
> screen shots.
> Qt4.7 is slightly better but the umlauts are not displayed correctly too.
> 
> The first is produced with the alpha3 release made with 
> qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.6.2.
> 
> 
> 
> The second one I've made with the current lyx-svn + qt-4.7.0-beta1.
> 
> 
> 
> With both versions I cannot reproduce the so called 4.5/4.6 problem.

Ok, I have to correct my last statement.

With Qt4.7.0 beta I have drawing problems with very long words. Then the cursor 
is drawn right shifted. The longer the word is the wider the offset of the 
misplaced cursor is. This is a problem I don't have with Qt4.6.2.

See the screenshot below:

<>

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 02.06.2010 um 14:05 schrieb BH:

> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:39 AM, Stephan Witt  wrote:
> 
>> There is a difference in display of text as demonstrated by the following 
>> two screen shots.
>> Qt4.7 is slightly better but the umlauts are not displayed correctly too.
>> 
>> The first is produced with the alpha3 release made with 
>> qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.6.2.
>> 
>> The second one I've made with the current lyx-svn + qt-4.7.0-beta1.
> 
> That's strange. I can't reproduce this with Qt-4.7b1 (see attached).
> 
> And notice that even in your screenshots there is the "misplaced
> cursor" problem: note how much space there is between the end of long
> words (like "selbsterklärend") and following punctuation. (It seems
> worse in qt-4.7, but it's there in qt4.6.2.) Once again, though, this
> is not apparent in my screenshot.

Yes, you're right. I've no clue what happens here :(

My account on Snow Leopard is migrated from Leopard...
...and I can see some strange glyphs within the Preview app too.

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Andre Poenitz
andre.poen...@mathematik.tu-chemnitz.de wrote:
 On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:20:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list
  revival, I will try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.

 please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build
 it against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).

 Can anyone remind me what the issues with Qt 4.5/4.6/4.7 are?

Font spacing: LyX/Mac when compiled with Qt/Mac-4.5 and later seems
not to know how wide each character is for some fonts, and so the
location of the cursor on screen does not always correspond to the
actual place between letters. This is not a problem for the beginnings
of words, but as the cursor moves towards the end of the word, its
location on screen sometimes gets further and further off. (It always
seems to be that the letters are displayed narrower than LyX thinks,
so that the cursor appears farther to the right than it actually is,
and then there's extra space between words.)

I said this is true with some fonts. Two examples here: Hoefler Text
Italics and Courier. The problem with Hoefler Text Italics seems to
arise from the extra swashes that font has. Thus an italic e will
have an extra swash to the right of the letter when it is the last
letter in a word, but not when it is in the middle of a word; the same
is true for w, which has a swash before the letter when it is the
first letter in a word, but not otherwise. LyX seems to think an e
or a w is as wide as it is with the swash, even when the swash is
not displayed; hence the cursor tends to be further to the right than
it should be.

With Courier, I'm less sure what's going on. In ERT, when I type
\LongLaTeXCommand{}, the cursor ends up an extra space to the right.
Hitting left-arrow brings it just to the right of the }, but then
typing inserts text between the braces rather than to the right of
them (as the position of the cursor onscreen would indicate).

Let me know if that description isn't clear. As I said before, this is
not an issue with LyX compiled with Qt-4.4. (I currently have both 4.4
and 4.7beta1 installed; the font issue shows up with self-compiled
Qt-4.5 and with the precompiled 4.6 (all released versions) and 4.7.)

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
 Let me know if that description isn't clear. As I said before, this is
 not an issue with LyX compiled with Qt-4.4. (I currently have both 4.4
 and 4.7beta1 installed; the font issue shows up with self-compiled
 Qt-4.5 and with the precompiled 4.6 (all released versions) and 4.7.)

isn't this by chance dupe of #6523?

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
 BH wrote:
 Let me know if that description isn't clear. As I said before, this is
 not an issue with LyX compiled with Qt-4.4. (I currently have both 4.4
 and 4.7beta1 installed; the font issue shows up with self-compiled
 Qt-4.5 and with the precompiled 4.6 (all released versions) and 4.7.)

 isn't this by chance dupe of #6523?

It seems to be -- at least it accurately fits the original
description. I can add that when selecting characters in the middle of
a long word when using Hoefler Text Italics, the extra swashes show up
before and after the selection.

However, the cursor-problem.lyx file that's attached to the bug report
is not a problem for me on all fonts: the display of cursor position
is perfect with Times New Roman and Minion Pro, and it's only
*slightly* off with Hoefler Text.

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
 On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
  BH wrote:
  Let me know if that description isn't clear. As I said before, this is
  not an issue with LyX compiled with Qt-4.4. (I currently have both 4.4
  and 4.7beta1 installed; the font issue shows up with self-compiled
  Qt-4.5 and with the precompiled 4.6 (all released versions) and 4.7.)
 
  isn't this by chance dupe of #6523?
 
 It seems to be -- at least it accurately fits the original
 description. I can add that when selecting characters in the middle of
 a long word when using Hoefler Text Italics, the extra swashes show up
 before and after the selection.
 
 However, the cursor-problem.lyx file that's attached to the bug report
 is not a problem for me on all fonts: the display of cursor position
 is perfect with Times New Roman and Minion Pro, and it's only
 *slightly* off with Hoefler Text.

so the problem is soft hyphen?
pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
 BH wrote:
 On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
  BH wrote:
  Let me know if that description isn't clear. As I said before, this is
  not an issue with LyX compiled with Qt-4.4. (I currently have both 4.4
  and 4.7beta1 installed; the font issue shows up with self-compiled
  Qt-4.5 and with the precompiled 4.6 (all released versions) and 4.7.)
 
  isn't this by chance dupe of #6523?

 It seems to be -- at least it accurately fits the original
 description. I can add that when selecting characters in the middle of
 a long word when using Hoefler Text Italics, the extra swashes show up
 before and after the selection.

 However, the cursor-problem.lyx file that's attached to the bug report
 is not a problem for me on all fonts: the display of cursor position
 is perfect with Times New Roman and Minion Pro, and it's only
 *slightly* off with Hoefler Text.

 so the problem is soft hyphen?

I don't think so, which is why I said it fit the original description
in the bug report. That I don't have the problem with the
cursor-problem.lyx file but do in the cases I described (and the
original bug reporter described) seems to indicate that it's not a
soft hyphen. (Or am I not understanding something?)

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
  However, the cursor-problem.lyx file that's attached to the bug report
  is not a problem for me on all fonts: the display of cursor position
  is perfect with Times New Roman and Minion Pro, and it's only
  *slightly* off with Hoefler Text.
 
  so the problem is soft hyphen?
 
 I don't think so, which is why I said it fit the original description
 in the bug report. That I don't have the problem with the
 cursor-problem.lyx file but do in the cases I described (and the
 original bug reporter described) seems to indicate that it's not a
 soft hyphen. (Or am I not understanding something?)

i'm just trying to to make sense from the various notes around ;)
- original reporter has visually the same problem as you. seems to be related 
to MAC only.
- Enrico come with claim that its soft-hyphen problem unrelated to OS
- Driadan claims in qt 4.6.2 + alpha2 on MAC its fixed

maybe these are various bugs, dunno.
- are you able to produce example file which shows the problem with qt 4.6.2 + 
alpha3 (or trunk)
  and has nothing todo with hyphen?

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
 BH wrote:
  However, the cursor-problem.lyx file that's attached to the bug report
  is not a problem for me on all fonts: the display of cursor position
  is perfect with Times New Roman and Minion Pro, and it's only
  *slightly* off with Hoefler Text.
 
  so the problem is soft hyphen?

 I don't think so, which is why I said it fit the original description
 in the bug report. That I don't have the problem with the
 cursor-problem.lyx file but do in the cases I described (and the
 original bug reporter described) seems to indicate that it's not a
 soft hyphen. (Or am I not understanding something?)

 i'm just trying to to make sense from the various notes around ;)
 - original reporter has visually the same problem as you. seems to be related 
 to MAC only.
 - Enrico come with claim that its soft-hyphen problem unrelated to OS
 - Driadan claims in qt 4.6.2 + alpha2 on MAC its fixed

 maybe these are various bugs, dunno.
 - are you able to produce example file which shows the problem with qt 4.6.2 
 + alpha3 (or trunk)
  and has nothing todo with hyphen?

I'm using current trunk, and I'm not explicitly entering any soft
hyphens. So for me, a procedure to reproduce is:

create new document
enter in ERT: \LongLaTeXCommand{} [cursor is now an extra space to the right]
hit left-arrow [cursor is now immediately to the right of the }]
type [text entered to the left of the }]

All this on Mac (10.6.3) with trunk compiled with Qt-4.7b1, and
Courier as the fixed-width font. It is not a problem for trunk
compiled with Qt-4.4.

I downloaded LyX/Mac-2.0alpha2, and do not experience the bug with
Courier. (Was this compiled with Qt-4.5 or later?)

One correction in what I said before: I noted 2 examples of font
spacing issues, one with Courier and one with Hoefler Text, saying
that both were problematic with Qt-4.5 and later but that neither was
problematic with Qt-4.4. I was partially misremembering. The problem
with Courier shows up only with Qt-4.5 and later but not with Qt-4.4
(as I said previously); however the problem with Hoefler Text italics
*also* shows up with Qt-4.4, and it shows up with both trunk and
branch.

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
 All this on Mac (10.6.3) with trunk compiled with Qt-4.7b1, and
 Courier as the fixed-width font. It is not a problem for trunk
 compiled with Qt-4.4.
 
 I downloaded LyX/Mac-2.0alpha2, and do not experience the bug with
 Courier. (Was this compiled with Qt-4.5 or later?)

in other words Hoefler Text is wrong with all Qt's while other fonts
work with alpha2/3 prepared by Stephan?

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
 BH wrote:
 All this on Mac (10.6.3) with trunk compiled with Qt-4.7b1, and
 Courier as the fixed-width font. It is not a problem for trunk
 compiled with Qt-4.4.

 I downloaded LyX/Mac-2.0alpha2, and do not experience the bug with
 Courier. (Was this compiled with Qt-4.5 or later?)

 in other words Hoefler Text is wrong with all Qt's while other fonts
 work with alpha2/3 prepared by Stephan?

I think that's right (though I haven't tried Stephan's alpha3).

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 18.05.2010 um 17:19 schrieb BH:

 On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
 BH wrote:
 However, the cursor-problem.lyx file that's attached to the bug report
 is not a problem for me on all fonts: the display of cursor position
 is perfect with Times New Roman and Minion Pro, and it's only
 *slightly* off with Hoefler Text.
 
 so the problem is soft hyphen?
 
 I don't think so, which is why I said it fit the original description
 in the bug report. That I don't have the problem with the
 cursor-problem.lyx file but do in the cases I described (and the
 original bug reporter described) seems to indicate that it's not a
 soft hyphen. (Or am I not understanding something?)
 
 i'm just trying to to make sense from the various notes around ;)
 - original reporter has visually the same problem as you. seems to be 
 related to MAC only.
 - Enrico come with claim that its soft-hyphen problem unrelated to OS
 - Driadan claims in qt 4.6.2 + alpha2 on MAC its fixed
 
 maybe these are various bugs, dunno.
 - are you able to produce example file which shows the problem with qt 4.6.2 
 + alpha3 (or trunk)
  and has nothing todo with hyphen?
 
 I'm using current trunk, and I'm not explicitly entering any soft
 hyphens. So for me, a procedure to reproduce is:
 
 create new document
 enter in ERT: \LongLaTeXCommand{} [cursor is now an extra space to the 
 right]
 hit left-arrow [cursor is now immediately to the right of the }]
 type [text entered to the left of the }]
 
 All this on Mac (10.6.3) with trunk compiled with Qt-4.7b1, and
 Courier as the fixed-width font. It is not a problem for trunk
 compiled with Qt-4.4.
 
 I downloaded LyX/Mac-2.0alpha2, and do not experience the bug with
 Courier. (Was this compiled with Qt-4.5 or later?)

It is compiled with Qt-4.6.2. The Qt-libraries are included in the LyX.app
as private frameworks.

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 17.05.2010 um 21:27 schrieb Andre Poenitz:

 On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:20:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list
 revival, I will try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.
 
 please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build
 it against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).
 
 Can anyone remind me what the issues with Qt 4.5/4.6/4.7 are?

Andre', do you think LyX builds with Qt 4.7 are running better then with 4.6?
Should I try this? And what's the release plan for 4.7?

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
 On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
  BH wrote:
  All this on Mac (10.6.3) with trunk compiled with Qt-4.7b1, and
  Courier as the fixed-width font. It is not a problem for trunk
  compiled with Qt-4.4.
 
  I downloaded LyX/Mac-2.0alpha2, and do not experience the bug with
  Courier. (Was this compiled with Qt-4.5 or later?)
 
  in other words Hoefler Text is wrong with all Qt's while other fonts
  work with alpha2/3 prepared by Stephan?
 
 I think that's right (though I haven't tried Stephan's alpha3).

but this would indicate that the problem might be with the font if all others 
are working...

it means that we fixed this for 2.0 and the rest of 1.6 series can be
done in 4.4...

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[Andre Poenitz]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 05:52:54PM +0200, Stephan Witt wrote:
 Am 17.05.2010 um 21:27 schrieb Andre Poenitz:
 
  On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:20:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
  Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list
  revival, I will try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.
  
  please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build
  it against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).
  
  Can anyone remind me what the issues with Qt 4.5/4.6/4.7 are?
 
 Andre', do you think LyX builds with Qt 4.7 are running better then with 4.6?

That's what I'd try to figure out once I know what the problems in 4.5
and 4.6 are.  The problems being present only on Mac does not make it
easier for me, though...

 Should I try this?

 And what's the release plan for 4.7?

Even if I knew a date the answer would be Releases are announced when
they are out ;-) I am sort of waiting for it myself.

In any case I would not expect much changes (if any at all) in the areas
that are interesting for LyX before 4.7.0 from now on, so for all
practical reasons 4.7.0 beta1 should be as good or as bad as the final
from LyX's point of view.

There have been changes to the font handling in 4.7 cycle, also
regarding the x positioning of glyphs. I've been bitten by one bug there
myself, but this has been fixed again in the mean time.

Maybe someone who knows how to reproduce the 4.5/4.6 problem could
indeed try 4.7.0 beta and see whether it makes a difference?

Andre'

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 18.05.2010 um 20:01 schrieb Andre Poenitz:

 On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 05:52:54PM +0200, Stephan Witt wrote:
 Am 17.05.2010 um 21:27 schrieb Andre Poenitz:
 
 On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:20:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list
 revival, I will try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.
 
 please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build
 it against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).
 
 Can anyone remind me what the issues with Qt 4.5/4.6/4.7 are?
 
 Andre', do you think LyX builds with Qt 4.7 are running better then with 4.6?
 
 That's what I'd try to figure out once I know what the problems in 4.5
 and 4.6 are.  The problems being present only on Mac does not make it
 easier for me, though...

I have to admit that I ignored some font oddities I saw since my upgrade to 
Snow Leopard.
And it's not only LyX where I saw it. The umlauts of times roman fonts e.g.
Maybe it's not a Qt or LyX problem...

 Should I try this?
 
 And what's the release plan for 4.7?
 
 Even if I knew a date the answer would be Releases are announced when
 they are out ;-) I am sort of waiting for it myself.

I see. I would act likewise if I had to responsibility :)

 In any case I would not expect much changes (if any at all) in the areas
 that are interesting for LyX before 4.7.0 from now on, so for all
 practical reasons 4.7.0 beta1 should be as good or as bad as the final
 from LyX's point of view.

So I'll give it a try.

 There have been changes to the font handling in 4.7 cycle, also
 regarding the x positioning of glyphs. I've been bitten by one bug there
 myself, but this has been fixed again in the mean time.
 
 Maybe someone who knows how to reproduce the 4.5/4.6 problem could
 indeed try 4.7.0 beta and see whether it makes a difference?

I've some unfinished work with spell checkers and a real life too.
But having a look is possible.

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Andre Poenitz
 wrote:
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:20:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
>> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>> > Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list
>> > revival, I will try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.
>>
>> please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build
>> it against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).
>
> Can anyone remind me what the issues with Qt 4.5/4.6/4.7 are?

Font spacing: LyX/Mac when compiled with Qt/Mac-4.5 and later seems
not to know how wide each character is for some fonts, and so the
location of the cursor on screen does not always correspond to the
actual place between letters. This is not a problem for the beginnings
of words, but as the cursor moves towards the end of the word, its
location on screen sometimes gets further and further off. (It always
seems to be that the letters are displayed narrower than LyX thinks,
so that the cursor appears farther to the right than it actually is,
and then there's extra space between words.)

I said this is true with some fonts. Two examples here: Hoefler Text
Italics and Courier. The problem with Hoefler Text Italics seems to
arise from the extra swashes that font has. Thus an italic "e" will
have an extra swash to the right of the letter when it is the last
letter in a word, but not when it is in the middle of a word; the same
is true for "w", which has a swash before the letter when it is the
first letter in a word, but not otherwise. LyX seems to think an "e"
or a "w" is as wide as it is with the swash, even when the swash is
not displayed; hence the cursor tends to be further to the right than
it should be.

With Courier, I'm less sure what's going on. In ERT, when I type
"\LongLaTeXCommand{}", the cursor ends up an extra space to the right.
Hitting left-arrow brings it just to the right of the "}", but then
typing inserts text between the braces rather than to the right of
them (as the position of the cursor onscreen would indicate).

Let me know if that description isn't clear. As I said before, this is
not an issue with LyX compiled with Qt-4.4. (I currently have both 4.4
and 4.7beta1 installed; the font issue shows up with self-compiled
Qt-4.5 and with the precompiled 4.6 (all released versions) and 4.7.)

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
> Let me know if that description isn't clear. As I said before, this is
> not an issue with LyX compiled with Qt-4.4. (I currently have both 4.4
> and 4.7beta1 installed; the font issue shows up with self-compiled
> Qt-4.5 and with the precompiled 4.6 (all released versions) and 4.7.)

isn't this by chance dupe of #6523?

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> BH wrote:
>> Let me know if that description isn't clear. As I said before, this is
>> not an issue with LyX compiled with Qt-4.4. (I currently have both 4.4
>> and 4.7beta1 installed; the font issue shows up with self-compiled
>> Qt-4.5 and with the precompiled 4.6 (all released versions) and 4.7.)
>
> isn't this by chance dupe of #6523?

It seems to be -- at least it accurately fits the original
description. I can add that when selecting characters in the middle of
a long word when using Hoefler Text Italics, the extra swashes show up
before and after the selection.

However, the cursor-problem.lyx file that's attached to the bug report
is not a problem for me on all fonts: the display of cursor position
is perfect with Times New Roman and Minion Pro, and it's only
*slightly* off with Hoefler Text.

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> > BH wrote:
> >> Let me know if that description isn't clear. As I said before, this is
> >> not an issue with LyX compiled with Qt-4.4. (I currently have both 4.4
> >> and 4.7beta1 installed; the font issue shows up with self-compiled
> >> Qt-4.5 and with the precompiled 4.6 (all released versions) and 4.7.)
> >
> > isn't this by chance dupe of #6523?
> 
> It seems to be -- at least it accurately fits the original
> description. I can add that when selecting characters in the middle of
> a long word when using Hoefler Text Italics, the extra swashes show up
> before and after the selection.
> 
> However, the cursor-problem.lyx file that's attached to the bug report
> is not a problem for me on all fonts: the display of cursor position
> is perfect with Times New Roman and Minion Pro, and it's only
> *slightly* off with Hoefler Text.

so the problem is soft hyphen?
pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> BH wrote:
>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
>> > BH wrote:
>> >> Let me know if that description isn't clear. As I said before, this is
>> >> not an issue with LyX compiled with Qt-4.4. (I currently have both 4.4
>> >> and 4.7beta1 installed; the font issue shows up with self-compiled
>> >> Qt-4.5 and with the precompiled 4.6 (all released versions) and 4.7.)
>> >
>> > isn't this by chance dupe of #6523?
>>
>> It seems to be -- at least it accurately fits the original
>> description. I can add that when selecting characters in the middle of
>> a long word when using Hoefler Text Italics, the extra swashes show up
>> before and after the selection.
>>
>> However, the cursor-problem.lyx file that's attached to the bug report
>> is not a problem for me on all fonts: the display of cursor position
>> is perfect with Times New Roman and Minion Pro, and it's only
>> *slightly* off with Hoefler Text.
>
> so the problem is soft hyphen?

I don't think so, which is why I said it fit the original description
in the bug report. That I don't have the problem with the
cursor-problem.lyx file but do in the cases I described (and the
original bug reporter described) seems to indicate that it's not a
soft hyphen. (Or am I not understanding something?)

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
> >> However, the cursor-problem.lyx file that's attached to the bug report
> >> is not a problem for me on all fonts: the display of cursor position
> >> is perfect with Times New Roman and Minion Pro, and it's only
> >> *slightly* off with Hoefler Text.
> >
> > so the problem is soft hyphen?
> 
> I don't think so, which is why I said it fit the original description
> in the bug report. That I don't have the problem with the
> cursor-problem.lyx file but do in the cases I described (and the
> original bug reporter described) seems to indicate that it's not a
> soft hyphen. (Or am I not understanding something?)

i'm just trying to to make sense from the various notes around ;)
- original reporter has visually the same problem as you. seems to be related 
to MAC only.
- Enrico come with claim that its soft-hyphen problem unrelated to OS
- Driadan claims in qt 4.6.2 + alpha2 on MAC its fixed

maybe these are various bugs, dunno.
- are you able to produce example file which shows the problem with qt 4.6.2 + 
alpha3 (or trunk)
  and has nothing todo with hyphen?

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> BH wrote:
>> >> However, the cursor-problem.lyx file that's attached to the bug report
>> >> is not a problem for me on all fonts: the display of cursor position
>> >> is perfect with Times New Roman and Minion Pro, and it's only
>> >> *slightly* off with Hoefler Text.
>> >
>> > so the problem is soft hyphen?
>>
>> I don't think so, which is why I said it fit the original description
>> in the bug report. That I don't have the problem with the
>> cursor-problem.lyx file but do in the cases I described (and the
>> original bug reporter described) seems to indicate that it's not a
>> soft hyphen. (Or am I not understanding something?)
>
> i'm just trying to to make sense from the various notes around ;)
> - original reporter has visually the same problem as you. seems to be related 
> to MAC only.
> - Enrico come with claim that its soft-hyphen problem unrelated to OS
> - Driadan claims in qt 4.6.2 + alpha2 on MAC its fixed
>
> maybe these are various bugs, dunno.
> - are you able to produce example file which shows the problem with qt 4.6.2 
> + alpha3 (or trunk)
>  and has nothing todo with hyphen?

I'm using current trunk, and I'm not explicitly entering any soft
hyphens. So for me, a procedure to reproduce is:

create new document
enter in ERT: "\LongLaTeXCommand{}" [cursor is now an extra space to the right]
hit  [cursor is now immediately to the right of the "}"]
type [text entered to the left of the "}"]

All this on Mac (10.6.3) with trunk compiled with Qt-4.7b1, and
Courier as the fixed-width font. It is not a problem for trunk
compiled with Qt-4.4.

I downloaded LyX/Mac-2.0alpha2, and do not experience the bug with
Courier. (Was this compiled with Qt-4.5 or later?)

One correction in what I said before: I noted 2 examples of font
spacing issues, one with Courier and one with Hoefler Text, saying
that both were problematic with Qt-4.5 and later but that neither was
problematic with Qt-4.4. I was partially misremembering. The problem
with Courier shows up only with Qt-4.5 and later but not with Qt-4.4
(as I said previously); however the problem with Hoefler Text italics
*also* shows up with Qt-4.4, and it shows up with both trunk and
branch.

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
> All this on Mac (10.6.3) with trunk compiled with Qt-4.7b1, and
> Courier as the fixed-width font. It is not a problem for trunk
> compiled with Qt-4.4.
> 
> I downloaded LyX/Mac-2.0alpha2, and do not experience the bug with
> Courier. (Was this compiled with Qt-4.5 or later?)

in other words Hoefler Text is wrong with all Qt's while other fonts
work with alpha2/3 prepared by Stephan?

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> BH wrote:
>> All this on Mac (10.6.3) with trunk compiled with Qt-4.7b1, and
>> Courier as the fixed-width font. It is not a problem for trunk
>> compiled with Qt-4.4.
>>
>> I downloaded LyX/Mac-2.0alpha2, and do not experience the bug with
>> Courier. (Was this compiled with Qt-4.5 or later?)
>
> in other words Hoefler Text is wrong with all Qt's while other fonts
> work with alpha2/3 prepared by Stephan?

I think that's right (though I haven't tried Stephan's alpha3).

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 18.05.2010 um 17:19 schrieb BH:

> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
>> BH wrote:
> However, the cursor-problem.lyx file that's attached to the bug report
> is not a problem for me on all fonts: the display of cursor position
> is perfect with Times New Roman and Minion Pro, and it's only
> *slightly* off with Hoefler Text.
 
 so the problem is soft hyphen?
>>> 
>>> I don't think so, which is why I said it fit the original description
>>> in the bug report. That I don't have the problem with the
>>> cursor-problem.lyx file but do in the cases I described (and the
>>> original bug reporter described) seems to indicate that it's not a
>>> soft hyphen. (Or am I not understanding something?)
>> 
>> i'm just trying to to make sense from the various notes around ;)
>> - original reporter has visually the same problem as you. seems to be 
>> related to MAC only.
>> - Enrico come with claim that its soft-hyphen problem unrelated to OS
>> - Driadan claims in qt 4.6.2 + alpha2 on MAC its fixed
>> 
>> maybe these are various bugs, dunno.
>> - are you able to produce example file which shows the problem with qt 4.6.2 
>> + alpha3 (or trunk)
>>  and has nothing todo with hyphen?
> 
> I'm using current trunk, and I'm not explicitly entering any soft
> hyphens. So for me, a procedure to reproduce is:
> 
> create new document
> enter in ERT: "\LongLaTeXCommand{}" [cursor is now an extra space to the 
> right]
> hit  [cursor is now immediately to the right of the "}"]
> type [text entered to the left of the "}"]
> 
> All this on Mac (10.6.3) with trunk compiled with Qt-4.7b1, and
> Courier as the fixed-width font. It is not a problem for trunk
> compiled with Qt-4.4.
> 
> I downloaded LyX/Mac-2.0alpha2, and do not experience the bug with
> Courier. (Was this compiled with Qt-4.5 or later?)

It is compiled with Qt-4.6.2. The Qt-libraries are included in the LyX.app
as private frameworks.

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 17.05.2010 um 21:27 schrieb Andre Poenitz:

> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:20:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
>> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>>> Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list
>>> revival, I will try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.
>> 
>> please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build
>> it against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).
> 
> Can anyone remind me what the issues with Qt 4.5/4.6/4.7 are?

Andre', do you think LyX builds with Qt 4.7 are running better then with 4.6?
Should I try this? And what's the release plan for 4.7?

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> > BH wrote:
> >> All this on Mac (10.6.3) with trunk compiled with Qt-4.7b1, and
> >> Courier as the fixed-width font. It is not a problem for trunk
> >> compiled with Qt-4.4.
> >>
> >> I downloaded LyX/Mac-2.0alpha2, and do not experience the bug with
> >> Courier. (Was this compiled with Qt-4.5 or later?)
> >
> > in other words Hoefler Text is wrong with all Qt's while other fonts
> > work with alpha2/3 prepared by Stephan?
> 
> I think that's right (though I haven't tried Stephan's alpha3).

but this would indicate that the problem might be with the font if all others 
are working...

it means that we "fixed" this for 2.0 and the rest of 1.6 series can be
done in 4.4...

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[Andre Poenitz]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 05:52:54PM +0200, Stephan Witt wrote:
> Am 17.05.2010 um 21:27 schrieb Andre Poenitz:
> 
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:20:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> >> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> >>> Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list
> >>> revival, I will try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.
> >> 
> >> please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build
> >> it against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).
> > 
> > Can anyone remind me what the issues with Qt 4.5/4.6/4.7 are?
> 
> Andre', do you think LyX builds with Qt 4.7 are running better then with 4.6?

That's what I'd try to figure out once I know what the problems in 4.5
and 4.6 are.  The problems being present only on Mac does not make it
easier for me, though...

> Should I try this?

> And what's the release plan for 4.7?

Even if I knew a date the answer would be "Releases are announced when
they are out" ;-) I am sort of waiting for it myself.

In any case I would not expect much changes (if any at all) in the areas
that are interesting for LyX before 4.7.0 from now on, so for all
practical reasons 4.7.0 beta1 should be as good or as bad as the final
from LyX's point of view.

There have been changes to the font handling in 4.7 cycle, also
regarding the x positioning of glyphs. I've been bitten by one bug there
myself, but this has been fixed again in the mean time.

Maybe someone who knows how to reproduce the 4.5/4.6 problem could
indeed try 4.7.0 beta and see whether it makes a difference?

Andre'

Re: Branch frozen

[Stephan Witt]

Am 18.05.2010 um 20:01 schrieb Andre Poenitz:

> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 05:52:54PM +0200, Stephan Witt wrote:
>> Am 17.05.2010 um 21:27 schrieb Andre Poenitz:
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:20:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list
> revival, I will try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.
 
 please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build
 it against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).
>>> 
>>> Can anyone remind me what the issues with Qt 4.5/4.6/4.7 are?
>> 
>> Andre', do you think LyX builds with Qt 4.7 are running better then with 4.6?
> 
> That's what I'd try to figure out once I know what the problems in 4.5
> and 4.6 are.  The problems being present only on Mac does not make it
> easier for me, though...

I have to admit that I ignored some font oddities I saw since my upgrade to 
Snow Leopard.
And it's not only LyX where I saw it. The umlauts of times roman fonts e.g.
Maybe it's not a Qt or LyX problem...

>> Should I try this?
> 
>> And what's the release plan for 4.7?
> 
> Even if I knew a date the answer would be "Releases are announced when
> they are out" ;-) I am sort of waiting for it myself.

I see. I would act likewise if I had to responsibility :)

> In any case I would not expect much changes (if any at all) in the areas
> that are interesting for LyX before 4.7.0 from now on, so for all
> practical reasons 4.7.0 beta1 should be as good or as bad as the final
> from LyX's point of view.

So I'll give it a try.

> There have been changes to the font handling in 4.7 cycle, also
> regarding the x positioning of glyphs. I've been bitten by one bug there
> myself, but this has been fixed again in the mean time.
> 
> Maybe someone who knows how to reproduce the 4.5/4.6 problem could
> indeed try 4.7.0 beta and see whether it makes a difference?

I've some unfinished work with spell checkers and a real life too.
But having a look is possible.

Stephan

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list revival, I will 
 try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.

please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build it 
against
Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
 please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build it
 against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).

#6680 you mean? Yes, I'll add a note. In fact, I'd loved to have this issue 
solved, but I understand we don't have a clue yet, have we? And 1.6.6 is long 
overdue ...

Jürgen

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Pavel Sanda wrote:
  please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build it
  against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).
 
 #6680 you mean? Yes, I'll add a note. In fact, I'd loved to have this issue 
 solved, but I understand we don't have a clue yet, have we? And 1.6.6 is long 
 overdue ...

yes #6680. but we dont want to wait more, 1.6.6 is definitely better wrt qt 4.6
than 1.6.5 and some distros already ships this unfortunate combination...

my guess is that we need more complex version of backported fix for #6522...

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list revival, I will
 try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.

 please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build it 
 against
 Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).

Qt 4.4 is fine, right? (Neither 4.5 nor 4.5 works well on Mac: display
of fonts onscreen is a problem.)

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
 yes #6680. but we dont want to wait more, 1.6.6 is definitely better wrt qt
 4.6 than 1.6.5 and some distros already ships this unfortunate
 combination...

Please have a look at r34419. is this an accurate description?

Jürgen

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Pavel Sanda wrote:
  yes #6680. but we dont want to wait more, 1.6.6 is definitely better wrt qt
  4.6 than 1.6.5 and some distros already ships this unfortunate
  combination...
 
 Please have a look at r34419. is this an accurate description?

yes.
pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
 Qt 4.4 is fine, right? (Neither 4.5 nor 4.5 works well on Mac: display
 of fonts onscreen is a problem.)

fine in the sense that it does not crash. but there would be some regressions
wrt UI in case you used Qt 4.6 for lyx 1.6.5 (did you?).

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
 BH wrote:
 Qt 4.4 is fine, right? (Neither 4.5 nor 4.5 works well on Mac: display
 of fonts onscreen is a problem.)

 fine in the sense that it does not crash. but there would be some regressions
 wrt UI in case you used Qt 4.6 for lyx 1.6.5 (did you?).

No -- the problems with displaying fonts onscreen appeared in Qt-4.5
and haven't yet been fixed. (Because LyX works with Qt-4.4 but not
4.5/4.6, I'm assuming it's a Qt problem rather than a LyX problem.)

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
 No -- the problems with displaying fonts onscreen appeared in Qt-4.5
 and haven't yet been fixed. (Because LyX works with Qt-4.4 but not
 4.5/4.6, I'm assuming it's a Qt problem rather than a LyX problem.)

fine then.
pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[Andre Poenitz]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:20:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
  Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list
  revival, I will try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.
 
 please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build
 it against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).

Can anyone remind me what the issues with Qt 4.5/4.6/4.7 are?

Andre'

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list revival, I will 
> try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.

please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build it 
against
Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
> please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build it
> against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).

#6680 you mean? Yes, I'll add a note. In fact, I'd loved to have this issue 
solved, but I understand we don't have a clue yet, have we? And 1.6.6 is long 
overdue ...

Jürgen

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Pavel Sanda wrote:
> > please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build it
> > against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).
> 
> #6680 you mean? Yes, I'll add a note. In fact, I'd loved to have this issue 
> solved, but I understand we don't have a clue yet, have we? And 1.6.6 is long 
> overdue ...

yes #6680. but we dont want to wait more, 1.6.6 is definitely better wrt qt 4.6
than 1.6.5 and some distros already ships this unfortunate combination...

my guess is that we need more complex version of backported fix for #6522...

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>> Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list revival, I will
>> try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.
>
> please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build it 
> against
> Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).

Qt 4.4 is fine, right? (Neither 4.5 nor 4.5 works well on Mac: display
of fonts onscreen is a problem.)

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
> yes #6680. but we dont want to wait more, 1.6.6 is definitely better wrt qt
> 4.6 than 1.6.5 and some distros already ships this unfortunate
> combination...

Please have a look at r34419. is this an accurate description?

Jürgen

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Pavel Sanda wrote:
> > yes #6680. but we dont want to wait more, 1.6.6 is definitely better wrt qt
> > 4.6 than 1.6.5 and some distros already ships this unfortunate
> > combination...
> 
> Please have a look at r34419. is this an accurate description?

yes.
pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
> Qt 4.4 is fine, right? (Neither 4.5 nor 4.5 works well on Mac: display
> of fonts onscreen is a problem.)

fine in the sense that it does not crash. but there would be some regressions
wrt UI in case you used Qt 4.6 for lyx 1.6.5 (did you?).

pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[BH]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> BH wrote:
>> Qt 4.4 is fine, right? (Neither 4.5 nor 4.5 works well on Mac: display
>> of fonts onscreen is a problem.)
>
> fine in the sense that it does not crash. but there would be some regressions
> wrt UI in case you used Qt 4.6 for lyx 1.6.5 (did you?).

No -- the problems with displaying fonts onscreen appeared in Qt-4.5
and haven't yet been fixed. (Because LyX works with Qt-4.4 but not
4.5/4.6, I'm assuming it's a Qt problem rather than a LyX problem.)

BH

Re: Branch frozen

[Pavel Sanda]

BH wrote:
> No -- the problems with displaying fonts onscreen appeared in Qt-4.5
> and haven't yet been fixed. (Because LyX works with Qt-4.4 but not
> 4.5/4.6, I'm assuming it's a Qt problem rather than a LyX problem.)

fine then.
pavel

Re: Branch frozen

[Andre Poenitz]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 07:20:34PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> > Since I go no more translation updates after the mailing list
> > revival, I will try to set up Lyx 1.6.6 now. Please stand by.
> 
> please make it clear in the announce that we encourage people to build
> it against Qt 4.5 and not 4.6 (#6608).

Can anyone remind me what the issues with Qt 4.5/4.6/4.7 are?

Andre'

Re: branch frozen [update]

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 I'm trying to set up 1.6.4.

Branch remains frozen now until the regression on the Mac reported by Anders 
is sorted out. It looks like we'll have to release a LyX 1.6.4.1, which will 
only fix this very bug.

Please refrain from committing anything to branch for the time being.

Jürgen

Re: branch frozen [update]

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> I'm trying to set up 1.6.4.

Branch remains frozen now until the regression on the Mac reported by Anders 
is sorted out. It looks like we'll have to release a LyX 1.6.4.1, which will 
only fix this very bug.

Please refrain from committing anything to branch for the time being.

Jürgen

Re: branch frozen

[Enrico Forestieri]

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:59:03PM +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 I've uploaded the tarballs to
 ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/lyx-1.6.3.tar.gz
 ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/lyx-1.6.3.tar.bz2
 
 I'd welcome some testing on different platforms. Packagers can build the 
 binaries from this right away. If I do not hear about problems, I'm going to 
 announce LyX 1.6.3 tomorrow.

Jürgen, you can find a cygwin binary here:
http://file.webalice.it
Username: e.forestieri
Password: lyx

-- 
Enrico

Re: branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Enrico Forestieri wrote:
 Jürgen, you can find a cygwin binary here:
 http://file.webalice.it
 Username: e.forestieri
 Password: lyx

Thanks, I have put it on the server.

Jürgen

Re: branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

 Please keep branch frozen until 1.6.3 is tagged and 1.6.4svn is set up
 (I'll post a message).

The freeze is over, LyX 1.6.4svn is ready for commits.

I have announced the release on the website in the meantime. I'll announce 
it on the lists this evening.

Jürgen

Re: branch frozen

[Enrico Forestieri]

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:59:03PM +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> I've uploaded the tarballs to
> ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/lyx-1.6.3.tar.gz
> ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/lyx-1.6.3.tar.bz2
> 
> I'd welcome some testing on different platforms. Packagers can build the 
> binaries from this right away. If I do not hear about problems, I'm going to 
> announce LyX 1.6.3 tomorrow.

Jürgen, you can find a cygwin binary here:
http://file.webalice.it
Username: e.forestieri
Password: lyx

-- 
Enrico

Re: branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Enrico Forestieri wrote:
> Jürgen, you can find a cygwin binary here:
> http://file.webalice.it
> Username: e.forestieri
> Password: lyx

Thanks, I have put it on the server.

Jürgen

Re: branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

> Please keep branch frozen until 1.6.3 is tagged and 1.6.4svn is set up
> (I'll post a message).

The freeze is over, LyX 1.6.4svn is ready for commits.

I have announced the release on the website in the meantime. I'll announce 
it on the lists this evening.

Jürgen

Re: branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Please no commits for the time being.
 I'm trying to set up the release.

I've uploaded the tarballs to
ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/lyx-1.6.3.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/lyx-1.6.3.tar.bz2

I'd welcome some testing on different platforms. Packagers can build the 
binaries from this right away. If I do not hear about problems, I'm going to 
announce LyX 1.6.3 tomorrow.

Please keep branch frozen until 1.6.3 is tagged and 1.6.4svn is set up (I'll 
post a message).

Thanks,
Jürgen

Re: branch frozen

[BH]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote:
 Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
 Please no commits for the time being.
 I'm trying to set up the release.

 I've uploaded the tarballs to
 ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/lyx-1.6.3.tar.gz
 ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/lyx-1.6.3.tar.bz2

 I'd welcome some testing on different platforms. Packagers can build the
 binaries from this right away. If I do not hear about problems, I'm going to
 announce LyX 1.6.3 tomorrow.

 Please keep branch frozen until 1.6.3 is tagged and 1.6.4svn is set up (I'll
 post a message).

Works fine for me. I've put the Mac binary here:

http://edisk.fandm.edu/bennett.helm/lyx/LyX-1.6.3-Mac-Universal.dmg

BH

Re: branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

BH wrote:
 Works fine for me. I've put the Mac binary here:

 http://edisk.fandm.edu/bennett.helm/lyx/LyX-1.6.3-Mac-Universal.dmg

Wow, that was fast.

I'll upload it tomorrow, together with the rest.

Thanks,
Jürgen

Re: branch frozen

[BH]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote:
 BH wrote:
 Works fine for me. I've put the Mac binary here:

 http://edisk.fandm.edu/bennett.helm/lyx/LyX-1.6.3-Mac-Universal.dmg

 Wow, that was fast.

All thanks to automated shell scripts (Well, I did look at the
User's Guide and typeset it to make sure things worked correctly.)

 I'll upload it tomorrow, together with the rest.

Thanks!

BH

Re: branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

BH wrote:
  Wow, that was fast.

 All thanks to automated shell scripts (Well, I did look at the
 User's Guide and typeset it to make sure things worked correctly.)

What Qt version do you use nowadays, BTW (just curious)?

Jürgen

Re: branch frozen

[BH]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller sp...@lyx.org wrote:
 BH wrote:
  Wow, that was fast.

 All thanks to automated shell scripts (Well, I did look at the
 User's Guide and typeset it to make sure things worked correctly.)

 What Qt version do you use nowadays, BTW (just curious)?

Qt-4.4.2. (Qt-4.5 is still too flaky on Mac: one big problem is that
the LyX window sometimes goes entirely blank until some event triggers
a refresh.)

BH

Re: branch frozen

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 3 juin 09 à 19:46, BH a écrit :

Qt-4.4.2. (Qt-4.5 is still too flaky on Mac: one big problem is that
the LyX window sometimes goes entirely blank until some event triggers
a refresh.)


And there is the problem with bindings in documentation, for which I  
do not have a good solution yet...


JMarc

Re: branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Please no commits for the time being.
> I'm trying to set up the release.

I've uploaded the tarballs to
ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/lyx-1.6.3.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/lyx-1.6.3.tar.bz2

I'd welcome some testing on different platforms. Packagers can build the 
binaries from this right away. If I do not hear about problems, I'm going to 
announce LyX 1.6.3 tomorrow.

Please keep branch frozen until 1.6.3 is tagged and 1.6.4svn is set up (I'll 
post a message).

Thanks,
Jürgen

Re: branch frozen

[BH]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:
> Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
>> Please no commits for the time being.
>> I'm trying to set up the release.
>
> I've uploaded the tarballs to
> ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/lyx-1.6.3.tar.gz
> ftp://ftp.devel.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/lyx-1.6.3.tar.bz2
>
> I'd welcome some testing on different platforms. Packagers can build the
> binaries from this right away. If I do not hear about problems, I'm going to
> announce LyX 1.6.3 tomorrow.
>
> Please keep branch frozen until 1.6.3 is tagged and 1.6.4svn is set up (I'll
> post a message).

Works fine for me. I've put the Mac binary here:

http://edisk.fandm.edu/bennett.helm/lyx/LyX-1.6.3-Mac-Universal.dmg

BH

Re: branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

BH wrote:
> Works fine for me. I've put the Mac binary here:
>
> http://edisk.fandm.edu/bennett.helm/lyx/LyX-1.6.3-Mac-Universal.dmg

Wow, that was fast.

I'll upload it tomorrow, together with the rest.

Thanks,
Jürgen

Re: branch frozen

[BH]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:
> BH wrote:
>> Works fine for me. I've put the Mac binary here:
>>
>> http://edisk.fandm.edu/bennett.helm/lyx/LyX-1.6.3-Mac-Universal.dmg
>
> Wow, that was fast.

All thanks to automated shell scripts (Well, I did look at the
User's Guide and typeset it to make sure things worked correctly.)

> I'll upload it tomorrow, together with the rest.

Thanks!

BH

Re: branch frozen

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

BH wrote:
> > Wow, that was fast.
>
> All thanks to automated shell scripts (Well, I did look at the
> User's Guide and typeset it to make sure things worked correctly.)

What Qt version do you use nowadays, BTW (just curious)?

Jürgen

Re: branch frozen

[BH]

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller  wrote:
> BH wrote:
>> > Wow, that was fast.
>>
>> All thanks to automated shell scripts (Well, I did look at the
>> User's Guide and typeset it to make sure things worked correctly.)
>
> What Qt version do you use nowadays, BTW (just curious)?

Qt-4.4.2. (Qt-4.5 is still too flaky on Mac: one big problem is that
the LyX window sometimes goes entirely blank until some event triggers
a refresh.)

BH

Re: branch frozen

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 3 juin 09 à 19:46, BH a écrit :

Qt-4.4.2. (Qt-4.5 is still too flaky on Mac: one big problem is that
the LyX window sometimes goes entirely blank until some event triggers
a refresh.)


And there is the problem with bindings in documentation, for which I  
do not have a good solution yet...


JMarc