Unable to change voice settings
Dear all, I somehow am unable to change the qualities of the voiceover. Everything is read out really slow. VO-Cmd used with arrows doesn't work. although the percentages are changed, the voice still sounds the same. I tried to reinstall the voices, but I still keep having the same issues. So, please help! Best, Fresco --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Multilingual texts with VO
Dear all, Another question, is there a way to deal with multilingual text using the voiceover? For work, I have to read multilingual texts (dutch, mandarin, english)- meaning more languages within one document. Really could use some advice. Best, Fresco --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: page wrap in pages
Hello Linda, Pages is not good for reading straight through a document. Sometimes it works but most often it doesn't. If this is a document created in Pages, then I'd just select all (Cmd-a), copy to clikpboard and paste into a TextEdit document which will read straight through just fine. I set a short cut for the Service New TextEdit Window Containing Selection. You can do this by going to System Preferences/Keyboard/Short cuts and selecting Services in the first table. You'll find this option under Text in the second table. It's a very useful command in many situations. Cheers, Anne On 30 Jul 2013, at 04:41, Linda C. Knight l...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hi all, I have a five page document on my screen in pages. It stops reading at the end of the first page. Is there a setting I can set pages to automatically wrap? I've looked everywhere and I must be missing something. Thank you Hugs and 73 Linda C. Knight shirley CallSign: kk4hrg Please note email: l...@tampabay.rr.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Re-installing the OS on a MacBook Air
Hello Andy, You might find it useful to buy a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor for your MBA so that you aren't solely dependent on wi-fi. Cheers, Anne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Multilingual texts with VO
Hello Fresco, VoiceOver doesn't automatically switch languages, but if you leave the Voice rotor on Voice, VO-Cmd-Down Arrow will switch voices rapidly. Cheers, Anne On 30 Jul 2013, at 09:03, Fresco Sam-Sin fresco.sam...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Another question, is there a way to deal with multilingual text using the voiceover? For work, I have to read multilingual texts (dutch, mandarin, english)- meaning more languages within one document. Really could use some advice. Best, Fresco --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Re-installing the OS on a MacBook Air
Andy You can find our blog here: http://blog.mac-ios-access.net We haven't had time to update it recently but plan to do so shortly. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 29 Jul 2013, at 22:36, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Gordon - I would find that blog most helpful I'm sure, and imagine so would others. I'd be interested to read what is already available there, so if you can let me have the address details, that'd be great - Andy On 29 Jul 2013, at 20:33, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: May I just point out that the MacBook Air doe snot have an Ethernet port. The only kind of network interface is, therefore, WiFi and, if you possess such a thing as a BlueTooth dongle or modem, you could do it that way. Otherwise, the USB stick is the only way. Creating a boot image is very easy but I guess it's only fair to say that the new user might find the process daunting. I would be happy to write an article for our blog on this if anybody thinks it would be of help? Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 29 Jul 2013, at 19:58, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: You will need an internet connection hence wy we are suggestion making usb key for your mb air. It will depending on your connection speed take between 2 and 6 hours to download all 4 gigs of the thing it uses to install. Take care. On Jul 29, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Thanks Chris - this sounds the most strait forward method as appose to those suggested by Anne and Sarah, [I thank both for their input too] I'm hoping I never need to do this, but do need to know what to do if trouble strikes. Will I need an internet connection for a reinstall, I can't think why I might? - Andy On 29 Jul 2013, at 19:17, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, when you hear the startup chime hold down command r for at most 30 seconds, might be much less on an Air though. The recovery partition should boot up and you can start VoiceOver with command f5. The rest should be self explanatory but if not please ask for further help. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the
to anne r.RE: page wrap in pages
Thank you anne, Do you recommend another word processing program or would text edit do a great deal for a document. I don't know if I should keep pages or not. I want a document to read straight through and if text edit will be good for long documents then, this will be nice. Thank you for the tip. I'd like to thank each and all who take the time to answer my questions. I am so new at this, but I am learning a good deal. Hugs and 73 Linda C. Knight shirley CallSign: kk4hrg Please note email: l...@tampabay.rr.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: to anne r.RE: page wrap in pages
Hello Linda, TextEdit is a simplified word processor which is very useful, but it isn't a professional tool. Pages, on the other hand, is much more sophisticated and can produce all kinds of professional documents. Everyone has different requirements. I couldn't work as a professional translator without Pages since MS Office isn't accessible. You can create templates in Pages which is a useful feature. It's handy to have a template for business letters, for instance. It can save a lot of time. However, until you're really comfortable with VoiceOver, Pages is likely to be more trouble than it's worth, and TextEdit is so easy to use. Cheers, Anne On 30 Jul 2013, at 16:33, Linda C. Knight l...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Thank you anne, Do you recommend another word processing program or would text edit do a great deal for a document. I don't know if I should keep pages or not. I want a document to read straight through and if text edit will be good for long documents then, this will be nice. Thank you for the tip. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: to anne r.RE: text edit
Hi anne, I have learned to set text edit as my default processor. I plan to use text edit for what I need. I take correspondence courses, but they aren't professional. I think I saw your instructions on a google group when I was searching for the means of setting text edit as the default processor. smile. If it was you, thank you! I am a homemaker and not in a professional.field. So I am thinking text edit will be the thing for me now. Hugs and 73 Linda C. Knight shirley CallSign: kk4hrg Please note email: l...@tampabay.rr.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
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itunes sorting shortcuts
Dear all, When in the music table I was wondering if there was a way to click on the column headers without using a mouse? I like to sort by date added now and again, or by artist. Can anyone give me a keyboard way to do this? With thanks Ian --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: itunes sorting shortcuts
Hi Ian, VO-Shift-backslash works to sort any column of a table, whether you're in Finder or in iTunes. If you use it again, it will reverse the order of sort. (On English language keyboards the backslash key is under the delete key.) Remember to interact. Cheers, Esther On Jul 30, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Ian Harrison harrisonc...@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk wrote: Dear all, When in the music table I was wondering if there was a way to click on the column headers without using a mouse? I like to sort by date added now and again, or by artist. Can anyone give me a keyboard way to do this? With thanks Ian --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: itunes sorting shortcuts
sure. Vo shift cabk slash will do you fine, so hit that, then hit space on the button you want to sort by. It's a toggle so you will with one press sort down and the next press sort up. When you choose what you want to sort by hit vo shift back slash again to stop the process. On Jul 30, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Ian Harrison harrisonc...@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk wrote: Dear all, When in the music table I was wondering if there was a way to click on the column headers without using a mouse? I like to sort by date added now and again, or by artist. Can anyone give me a keyboard way to do this? With thanks Ian --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Unable to change voice settings
Can you change it via the voice over utility? vo f8? if not I don't know as something might have gotten corrupted. Not sure though. Good luck and hope that helps. On Jul 29, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Fresco Sam-Sin fresco.sam...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I somehow am unable to change the qualities of the voiceover. Everything is read out really slow. VO-Cmd used with arrows doesn't work. although the percentages are changed, the voice still sounds the same. I tried to reinstall the voices, but I still keep having the same issues. So, please help! Best, Fresco --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: opening an attachment in mail
You can vo shift m on the attachment. you will see it as embedded something where the something will be the name of the file. Then choose open. You can also go to the headers area with vo left then interact and click the attachments pop up button. I like the first way better though. lol! Take care. On Jul 30, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Linda C. Knight l...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hi all, I have one more question for today. LOL! I dragged and dropped and attachment into a new message and sent it to myself. How do I read the enbeded or attached file. Thank you, Hugs and 73 Linda C. Knight shirley CallSign: kk4hrg Please note email: l...@tampabay.rr.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: opening an attachment in mail
Linda - When VO reads 'embeded', move the mouse pointer to that spot, by pressing and holding the VO keys, with Command and F5. Then, open the context menu [VO shift and the letter m] and then use the arrow keys to get to save to downloads, you can always move it from there. Anne told me how to do this, and it worked for me, so good luck - Andy On 30 Jul 2013, at 19:20, Linda C. Knight l...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hi all, I have one more question for today. LOL! I dragged and dropped and attachment into a new message and sent it to myself. How do I read the enbeded or attached file. Thank you, Hugs and 73 Linda C. Knight shirley CallSign: kk4hrg Please note email: l...@tampabay.rr.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: opening an attachment in mail
Hi Linda, You can also Quick Look mail attachments with Command-Y to read. Helpful if you don't want to save the attachment. Cheers, Esther On Jul 30, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com wrote: Press the voiceover keys plus shift plus M on it and go to Open. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Linda C. Knight l...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hi all, I have one more question for today. LOL! I dragged and dropped and attachment into a new message and sent it to myself. How do I read the enbeded or attached file. Thank you, Hugs and 73 Linda C. Knight shirley CallSign: kk4hrg Please note email: l...@tampabay.rr.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: opening an attachment in mail
Press the voiceover keys plus shift plus M on it and go to Open. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Linda C. Knight l...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hi all, I have one more question for today. LOL! I dragged and dropped and attachment into a new message and sent it to myself. How do I read the enbeded or attached file. Thank you, Hugs and 73 Linda C. Knight shirley CallSign: kk4hrg Please note email: l...@tampabay.rr.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: opening an attachment in mail
You can also go to file and then save all attachments and then save them on your desk top as well. This for multiple attachments in an email and it's a fast way to do just that. Take care. On Jul 30, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Linda - When VO reads 'embeded', move the mouse pointer to that spot, by pressing and holding the VO keys, with Command and F5. Then, open the context menu [VO shift and the letter m] and then use the arrow keys to get to save to downloads, you can always move it from there. Anne told me how to do this, and it worked for me, so good luck - Andy On 30 Jul 2013, at 19:20, Linda C. Knight l...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Hi all, I have one more question for today. LOL! I dragged and dropped and attachment into a new message and sent it to myself. How do I read the enbeded or attached file. Thank you, Hugs and 73 Linda C. Knight shirley CallSign: kk4hrg Please note email: l...@tampabay.rr.com --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Re-installing the OS on a MacBook Air
Hi Anne - Is a thunderbolt adapter one that has a standard rj45 on the other end, that goes in to the router? - Andy On 30 Jul 2013, at 08:36, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Andy, You might find it useful to buy a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor for your MBA so that you aren't solely dependent on wi-fi. Cheers, Anne --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Reading tables in Safari
Hi all - When I try to do this using VO and the arrow keys, I get lost, things don't read in a way that makes much sense. If I arrow down, VO announces ro 4, and the next down arrow will say row 7, and down again will say row 5… so clearly, isn't really helping me see which rows go with which columns. Are there any tricks/tips for working with tables on a webpage, or any kind of table really? - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Get Iplayer is always busy
hi all - Does anybody else find this to be the case? Everytime I open the app, It spends ages updating indexes etc, or just hangs showing me the busy indicator, and I have to close the programme, even though it tells me doing so is not a good idea! So, is this just how it is then? - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Reading tables in Safari
You are actually doing it correctly, but check to see if you are in dom vs group mode. You should be in dom mode to read properly. It might also be the web site coder who messed up as well but those are just my thoughts. Be blessed. On Jul 30, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - When I try to do this using VO and the arrow keys, I get lost, things don't read in a way that makes much sense. If I arrow down, VO announces ro 4, and the next down arrow will say row 7, and down again will say row 5… so clearly, isn't really helping me see which rows go with which columns. Are there any tricks/tips for working with tables on a webpage, or any kind of table really? - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Reading tables in Safari
What adds to the difficulty in reading these tables, is that VO will say column one, expanded across 5 rows. And then I arrow down, and I hear different co-ordinates spoken, but there doesn't appear to be a pattern to it. I was looking at some savings accounts that had fixed terms for investments, and different rates of interest determined by the term, but I couldn't make sense of which interest rate applied to which term etc, as I could only read horizontally, and not vertically. so, is there a way of reading up and down as well as right and left with VO? I know of course the up and down arrows can be used, but half the time, reading using the up arrow is the same as using left arrow, and down arrow does the same as using the right arrow. Puzzled, and need a bit of help. Thanks - Andy On 30 Jul 2013, at 20:56, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: You are actually doing it correctly, but check to see if you are in dom vs group mode. You should be in dom mode to read properly. It might also be the web site coder who messed up as well but those are just my thoughts. Be blessed. On Jul 30, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Hi all - When I try to do this using VO and the arrow keys, I get lost, things don't read in a way that makes much sense. If I arrow down, VO announces ro 4, and the next down arrow will say row 7, and down again will say row 5… so clearly, isn't really helping me see which rows go with which columns. Are there any tricks/tips for working with tables on a webpage, or any kind of table really? - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Reading tables in Safari
Andy, I have the same problem. Any help greatly appreciated. On 30/07/2013 20:35, Andy Collins wrote: Hi all - When I try to do this using VO and the arrow keys, I get lost, things don't read in a way that makes much sense. If I arrow down, VO announces ro 4, and the next down arrow will say row 7, and down again will say row 5… so clearly, isn't really helping me see which rows go with which columns. Are there any tricks/tips for working with tables on a webpage, or any kind of table really? - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Reading tables in Safari
Well Chris - if you're struggling as well, as you are further down the road than me, clearly there is an issue, so let's hope somebody has some tips - Andy On 30 Jul 2013, at 21:36, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, I have the same problem. Any help greatly appreciated. On 30/07/2013 20:35, Andy Collins wrote: Hi all - When I try to do this using VO and the arrow keys, I get lost, things don't read in a way that makes much sense. If I arrow down, VO announces ro 4, and the next down arrow will say row 7, and down again will say row 5… so clearly, isn't really helping me see which rows go with which columns. Are there any tricks/tips for working with tables on a webpage, or any kind of table really? - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Reading tables in Safari
I think that probably what you may be experiencing is a non uniform table. As far as I am aware voiceover does not announce a non unified table layout to alert you to this problem. The non unified table layout will have varying columns and row arrangements throughout the table. Row one may have 3 columns and row 2 may have 6 columns for example. So when coordinates are read outs as you move through the table this may create a result which may not be easy to visualise without sight. A solution may be to decrease Voiceover verbosity so that coordinates are not read out which may make the table slightly more comprehensible. Mac OS is generally pretty dreadful at handling tables but in this instance Windows Screenreaders are little better though they will within documents indicate if a table is non uniform. The solution generally on other platforms is to copy the table off the web to a document format in which the table can be edited so that it becomes a regular uniform table . This is impossible to achieve in Mac Os Word Processors but may be possible in a Numbers or tables Spreadsheet. As I never bother trying to handle tables under Mac OS I will have to defer to other people's experience here as to whether this is a feasible work around. It is definitely a job which it is useful to have sighted support for. I used to use my DSA support for these sorts of problematic tables. David Griffith Unfortunately on all platforms, I needed to use sighted support if I wanted important table information.. -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris H Sent: 30 July 2013 21:36 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Reading tables in Safari Andy, I have the same problem. Any help greatly appreciated. On 30/07/2013 20:35, Andy Collins wrote: Hi all - When I try to do this using VO and the arrow keys, I get lost, things don't read in a way that makes much sense. If I arrow down, VO announces ro 4, and the next down arrow will say row 7, and down again will say row 5. so clearly, isn't really helping me see which rows go with which columns. Are there any tricks/tips for working with tables on a webpage, or any kind of table really? - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability
Re: Reading tables in Safari
Sounds about right I deal with tables all the time with safari and voice over. Never on other platforms unless I have to, and I just visualize those as I had to train myself how to do that because of a class lol! I guess all you can do is just imagine the space the table takes up on a piece of paper or vertically on a screen and imagine it expanding and shrinking to fi the table row and column's need. That probably does not make sense but the 3 years I've been using a mac this is what I've had to do and it works, but you will find your own way of thinking of these tables. Take care. On Jul 30, 2013, at 2:08 PM, David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I think that probably what you may be experiencing is a non uniform table. As far as I am aware voiceover does not announce a non unified table layout to alert you to this problem. The non unified table layout will have varying columns and row arrangements throughout the table. Row one may have 3 columns and row 2 may have 6 columns for example. So when coordinates are read outs as you move through the table this may create a result which may not be easy to visualise without sight. A solution may be to decrease Voiceover verbosity so that coordinates are not read out which may make the table slightly more comprehensible. Mac OS is generally pretty dreadful at handling tables but in this instance Windows Screenreaders are little better though they will within documents indicate if a table is non uniform. The solution generally on other platforms is to copy the table off the web to a document format in which the table can be edited so that it becomes a regular uniform table . This is impossible to achieve in Mac Os Word Processors but may be possible in a Numbers or tables Spreadsheet. As I never bother trying to handle tables under Mac OS I will have to defer to other people's experience here as to whether this is a feasible work around. It is definitely a job which it is useful to have sighted support for. I used to use my DSA support for these sorts of problematic tables. David Griffith Unfortunately on all platforms, I needed to use sighted support if I wanted important table information.. -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris H Sent: 30 July 2013 21:36 To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Reading tables in Safari Andy, I have the same problem. Any help greatly appreciated. On 30/07/2013 20:35, Andy Collins wrote: Hi all - When I try to do this using VO and the arrow keys, I get lost, things don't read in a way that makes much sense. If I arrow down, VO announces ro 4, and the next down arrow will say row 7, and down again will say row 5. so clearly, isn't really helping me see which rows go with which columns. Are there any tricks/tips for working with tables on a webpage, or any kind of table really? - Andy --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ . --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Re-installing the OS on a MacBook Air
Hello, Gordon that would be good for us newbees -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:34 PM To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Re-installing the OS on a MacBook Air May I just point out that the MacBook Air doe snot have an Ethernet port. The only kind of network interface is, therefore, WiFi and, if you possess such a thing as a BlueTooth dongle or modem, you could do it that way. Otherwise, the USB stick is the only way. Creating a boot image is very easy but I guess it's only fair to say that the new user might find the process daunting. I would be happy to write an article for our blog on this if anybody thinks it would be of help? Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 29 Jul 2013, at 19:58, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: You will need an internet connection hence wy we are suggestion making usb key for your mb air. It will depending on your connection speed take between 2 and 6 hours to download all 4 gigs of the thing it uses to install. Take care. On Jul 29, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Thanks Chris - this sounds the most strait forward method as appose to those suggested by Anne and Sarah, [I thank both for their input too] I'm hoping I never need to do this, but do need to know what to do if trouble strikes. Will I need an internet connection for a reinstall, I can't think why I might? - Andy On 29 Jul 2013, at 19:17, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, when you hear the startup chime hold down command r for at most 30 seconds, might be much less on an Air though. The recovery partition should boot up and you can start VoiceOver with command f5. The rest should be self explanatory but if not please ask for further help. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way
Re: Reading tables in Safari
I've found Chrome with VO handles some tables better than Safari. In addition, if you install the ChromeVox extension and take an hour or two to learn the ChromeVox navigation keys, you will have an additional TTS option when attempting to navigate troublesome tables. HTH, Bryan On Jul 30, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Andy Collins a...@recreation.plus.com wrote: Well Chris - if you're struggling as well, as you are further down the road than me, clearly there is an issue, so let's hope somebody has some tips - --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
iSangean, An App Full Of Surprises
Hi! Last week I wrote a brief introduction to the Sangean WRF-28D Dab/FM/Internet Radio, I've been playing with the set for a week now and here's my notes, comments and observations. This portable radio is thoroughly recommended as its feature packed and most features people without vision can easily use through either the radio itself, the iSangean App or through a web interface on a computer. Yes, you will need sighted assistance to set the radio up and no, you can't set alarms and you can't navigate through the menu system easily but those are small verses. The iSangean app allows near full remote control and interactivity with the radio to the extent that you can read the information displayed from Internet and DAB+ radio stations. For example, I tuned to the Sky Racing DAB+ channel and was able to see that the next race at Warrick Farm was at 3:15 this afternoon, tuning to the ABC News Radio DAB+ channel allowed me to view the current weather forecast for Melbourne, When I tuned to ABC Radio National I was able to read the currently airing programme and what was up next so we now have - all be it in a round about way - an accessible DAB+ radio. Using the App you can browse for Internet radio channels or search for what you're looking for, you can then save that station to 1 of the 5 preset buttons on the front of the radio or add it to your Favourites list. The Favourites list can be accessed via the web where it can be added to, edited and so on, the radio must be registered with the Radio Fronteer web site so that the site recognises the radio, this is done by creating an account on Radio Fronteer and then typing in a unique Access Code which is found in the radios Help menu. I will write a complete review of the radio shortly, when I've played with the set more. ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 ** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
