Re: Score Order
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Mthimkhulu Molekwa wrote: Typically, scores of SATB with piano puts the SATB above the piano. What about the addition of other instruments? Where would you put things like solo flutes or violins, or percussion. What about a comination of instruments such as SATB with a Marimba set? The convention you mention stems from the baroque time where the lowest line was reserved for the basso continuo. Accompagnato was noted by one line and ciphers, but obligato required two staves for the keyboard at bottom. Upwards then follow the vocals (SATB or soloists), then the strings, then the woods and the brass. Percussion (at that time timpani) were noted with the brass. Later percussion came above the brass. In later times keyboard instruments were no longer an obligatory constituent of an orchestra but rather a solo instrument. I do not know how the conventions are nowadays. Happy MusixTeXing, Christof
Re: Score Order
Mthimkhulu Molekwa skryf: Typically, scores of SATB with piano puts the SATB above the piano. What about the addition of other instruments? Where would you put things like solo flutes or violins, or percussion. What about a comination of instruments such as SATB with a Marimba set? The closest approximation of such a score that I have seen is a piano-and-percussion version of 'Misa Criolla' by Ariel Ramirez. The soloists were at the top, SATB next, then the guitar or banjo, then the percussion, then the piano. Dirk
Re: Score with different meter
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:54:43 +0200 From: Nicolas ASPERT [EMAIL PROTECTED] I took a quick look at your solutions, and it looks like both are working. However, I find that the one proposed by Mthimkhulu Molekwa (no spelling mistakes ? :-) is easier to use than the one proposed by Werner, My "solution" is based upon "putting anything anywhere", Mthimkhulu Molekwa's solution is integrated into MusiXTeX. Therefore I asked him whether I may post his solution on http://www.gmd.de/Misc/Music/ under MusiXTeX add-ons. He gave me the permission and I'll do it as soon as I have time. except for the fact that hidden bars are not protected against the line breaks... Maybe it can be done automatically, but I don't know enough about LaTex to do it... LaTeX? \xbar produces a bar line, which will not be used as line break [in the same way as \zbar can be used to generate a possible break point without generating a bar line]. That's basic MusiXTeX and as far as I can see hidden bar lines work completely independent of the type of the bar line. -- Werner
Re: Score with different meter
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:32:00 +0200 From: Nicolas ASPERT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Werner Icking wrote: Again, I do not understand what you mean with "bars aligned". Normally a barline is typeset for all voices of a score. Do you want to have seperate bar lines in seperate voices at different places? e.g. voice 1 o o o | o o o | voice 2 o o | o o | o o | This is exactly what I want to do. Sorry for not being clear. I guess I am not used to explain these things at least in english. But English is easier for me than "Schwizer Dütsch" (sp? :-) I will soon have a 3rd voice at 3/8 , so the score should look like : voice 1 ooo | ooo | voice 2 oo | oo | oo | voice 3 o. | o. | o. | o. | o. | o. | Do you have any idea about how to do this ? Without knowing how to solve it I have some questions again. In your ASCII picture the third voice behaves different from the first two. In the first two voices a quarter occupies the space of a quarter. In the third voice a dotted quarter occupies the space a normal quarter occupies in the first two voices. Or do you mean: voice 1: o o o|o o o| voice 2: o o|o o|o o| voice 3: o.|o.|o.|o.| And a technical question: how should the bars be numbered? AFAIK in earlier times _your_ version would have been coded as 2/4 and 6/8 with "o" as accented quarter to indicate the rhythmic change in the first voice
Re: Score with different meter
Werner Icking wrote: Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:32:00 +0200 From: Nicolas ASPERT [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is exactly what I want to do. Sorry for not being clear. I guess I am not used to explain these things at least in english. But English is easier for me than "Schwizer Dütsch" (sp? :-) Yes, but I don't speak Schwyzerdu:tsch (sorry for the umlaut...I have a US keyboard)... But people say that it is easy. Just forget about the german grammar and you speak Schwyzerdutsch :-) I will soon have a 3rd voice at 3/8 , so the score should look like : voice 1 ooo | ooo | voice 2 oo | oo | oo | voice 3 o. | o. | o. | o. | o. | o. | Do you have any idea about how to do this ? Without knowing how to solve it I have some questions again. In your ASCII picture the third voice behaves different from the first two. In the first two voices a quarter occupies the space of a quarter. In the third voice a dotted quarter occupies the space a normal quarter occupies in the first two voices. Or do you mean: voice 1: o o o|o o o| voice 2: o o|o o|o o| voice 3: o.|o.|o.|o.| Nope. The meter for voice 3 is 3/8 so a quarter in voice 1 and 2 equals a dotted quarter in voice 3. And a technical question: how should the bars be numbered? The bars are numbered according to voice 1 (that's the way it's done in the full score), but this should not cause any trouble since you can force the bar numbers easily in MusixTex AFAIK in earlier times _your_ version would have been coded as 2/4 and 6/8 with "o" as accented quarter to indicate the rhythmic change in the first voice. voice 1 2/4: o o | o o | o o | voice 2 2/4: o o | o o | o o | voice 3 6/8: o. o.| o. o. | o. o.| The second version would be typeset as: voice 1 3/4: o o o |o o o | voice 2 3/4: oo o|o oo | voice 3 6/8: o. o. |o. o. | Both versions are simple to code with MusiXTeX or PMX and inline-TeX :-) In cases Mozart wrote such music, in the first example three notes of the first voice were slurred and in the second example two notes of the 2nd voice were slurred. The problem is that Mozart wrote the way I showed you in my ASCII example (well at least, this is how it is written in my full score...) If you heard "Don Giovanni", the end of Act I, this is when Leporello is dancing with Masetto (- 3/8 part) while the others are dancing a Menuet (3/4 part)... There are in fact 3 small orchestras on the stage to play each part. Nicolas. -- Nicolas Aspert Signal Processing Laboratory (LTS) Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) Office: ELE 237 Phone: +41 - 21 - 693 36 32 (Office) or 46 21 (LTS lab) Fax: +41 - 21 - 693 76 00
Re: Score with different meter
Nicolas ASPERT wrote: Werner Icking wrote: Again, I do not understand what you mean with "bars aligned". Normally a barline is typeset for all voices of a score. Do you want to have seperate bar lines in seperate voices at different places? e.g. voice 1 o o o | o o o | voice 2 o o | o o | o o | Hello This is exactly what I want to do. Sorry for not being clear. I guess I am not used to explain these things at least in english. This definitely NOT supported by MusiXTeX. I will soon have a 3rd voice at 3/8 , so the score should look like : voice 1 ooo | ooo | voice 2 oo | oo | oo | voice 3 o. | o. | o. | o. | o. | o. | Do you have any idea about how to do this ? Thanks in advance Nicolas. -- Daniel Taupin, Physique des Solides, Univ. Paris-Sud, 91405 ORSAY E-mail= mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tél: (33)1.69.15.60.79, Fax: (33)1.69.15.60.86, home/fax: (33)1.60.10.26.44
Re: Score with different meter
taupin wrote: voice 1 o o o | o o o | voice 2 o o | o o | o o | This definitely NOT supported by MusiXTeX. That's what it seemed to me... The MusixTex doc did not mentioned such things. But do you think there is any hope for me to do this by any mean, even redefining some of the MusixTex macros, or using another "language" to write my score... If you have any idea about the subject, please let me know. Best regards. Nicolas. -- Nicolas Aspert Signal Processing Laboratory (LTS) Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) Office: ELE 237 Phone: +41 - 21 - 693 36 32 (Office) or 46 21 (LTS lab) Fax: +41 - 21 - 693 76 00
Re: Score with different meter
Hello Thanks a lot for all your solutions. I will try this tonight on my PC ! Best regards. Nicolas. -- Nicolas Aspert Signal Processing Laboratory (LTS) Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (EPFL) Office: ELE 237 Phone: +41 - 21 - 693 36 32 (Office) or 46 21 (LTS lab) Fax: +41 - 21 - 693 76 00
Re: Score with different meter
On Monday, 20 September 1999, taupin writes:
Nicolas ASPERT wrote:
Werner Icking wrote:
Again, I do not understand what you mean with "bars aligned". Normally
a barline is typeset for all voices of a score. Do you want to have
seperate bar lines in seperate voices at different places? e.g.
voice 1 o o o | o o o |
voice 2 o o | o o | o o |
Hello
This is exactly what I want to do. Sorry for not being clear. I guess I
am not used to explain these things at least in english.
This definitely NOT supported by MusiXTeX.
In that case, have a look at LilyPond. Is this what you want?
:r different-time-signatures.ly
\score{
\context Staff=a \notes{
\time 3/4;
c4 c c | c c c |
}
\context Staff=b \notes{
\time 2/4;
c4 c | c c | c c
}
\paper{
linelength = -1.0\cm;
\translator{
\ScoreContext
\remove Timing_engraver;
}
\translator{
\StaffContext
\consists Timing_engraver;
}
}
}
The output is at:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien/lilypond/different-time-signatures.ps.gz
Greetings,
Jan.
--
Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien/ | http://www.lilypond.org/
Re: Score with different meter
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:41:50 +0200
From: Nicolas ASPERT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The problem is the following : I have 2 instruments but the meter for
the first one should be 2/4, and the meter for the 2nd one should be
3/4. (there will also be a third playing 6/8...). [...]
I have no idea about how to write the bars independently on each line of
my score (using \bar just puts a bar in every line...)
I'm not sure what the problem is. Typesetting the meter should be easy.
So I assume the problem is the spacing of the notes. Don Simons has
investigated a lot to find the correct spacing for x-tuplets with
different number of notes in different voices. So I know the "manual"
solution isn't easy. If the bars are simple, e.g. two quarters in
one voice and three in the second the solution can be easy:
\NOtes\qa{cc}\multnoteskip{.667}\qa{ccc}\en
If the rhythm is more complicated the solution is more complex :-(
But the pattern
\notes...\multnoteskip{.667}...\en (with notes, Notes, NOtes, ...)
can be a quite useable approach to the correct spacing.
Here is a sample
\instrumentnumber{2}\setmeter1{{\meterfrac24}}\setmeter2{{\meterfrac34}}
\startextract\NOtes\qa{cc}\multnoteskip{.667}\qa{ccc}\en\endextract
\bye
-- Werner
Re: First score finished: could I have done better?
Alexander Jolk wrote:
Hi, everybody
When our conductor asked whether someone could transpose the bass line
of that one piece we're going to perform in three week's time, I
thought, wasn't there something about automatic transposition in
M-Tx?, and agreed to do it. Stupid me. It turned out to be only 2 or
3 hours of work, which I finished successfully, but I've hit a few
glitches that I wanted to ask your opinion about... I'm including my
.mtx so you can see what I did.
1. How do I get a \caesura right at the end of a bar? Kludging around
with `\atnextbar' works, but isn't beautiful. (As in
a9- | \atnextbar{\caesura}\ d0.d ...)
With mtx 0.52, pmx 2.0 and MUsiXTeX T.97 it doesn't work. The caesura
appears closely to the left of the bass clef !
A 'dirty' solution is to temporarily increment the meter to 9/4, append
a blind 1/4 rest and prepend a \caesura to that:
m9/4/0/0 a9- \caesura\ r4b | m4/2/0/0 d0.d f b2f-.c | d0 c |
2. In a 4/2 measure, a whole bar rest should be using \PAuse, or
shouldn't it? How could I have substituted this? Is this a PMX bug?
(I resorted to ... | \PAuse\ rpb | ...)
One way would be to temporarily redefine the MusiXTeX macro producing
the centered pause (rp). A quick-and-dirty solution is doing as you do
and offsetting the pause with the pmx single space offset command
changing the argument of X until it looks right:
r0 c2+ c- | X7S \PAuse\ rpb | r0 r2 g+ |
2b. ...and how could I have centered it? (\centerPAuse didn't turn
out to work.)
3. The editorial accidental `oen' doesn't get changed to a flat when
transposing, even with relative accidentals in effect. This isn't
hard to substitue by hand, it would just be great if it were done
automatically.
For the record, I'm using M-Tx 0.50a, pmx 1.3.6, and MusiXTeX T.88, on
a Linux (Debian 2.1) system.
Thanks,
Alex
--
Christian Mondrup, Computer Programmer
Scandiatransplant, Skejby Hospital, University Hospital of Aarhus
Brendstrupgaardsvej, DK 8200 Aarhus N, Denmark
Phone: +45 89 49 53 01
RE: First score finished: could I have done better?
From: "Simons, Don" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:59:13 -0700
Alexander Jolk [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
1. How do I get a \caesura right at the end of a bar? Kludging around
with `\atnextbar' works, but isn't beautiful. (As in
a9- | \atnextbar{\caesura}\ d0.d ...)
I don't know, why it isn't "right". But in most cases there is a way
in MusiXTeX to move anything wherever you want to. For this purpose
you may use e.g. pitches, pitches with \zcharnote, \roffset, loffset,
\raise or \lower hboxes, ... That's a great advantage of MusiXTeX
being based upon TeX.
2. In a 4/2 measure, a whole bar rest should be using \PAuse, or
shouldn't it?
Not according to Werner's table of rests, accessible under musixtex/add-ons
on the GMD web page. But I must say I don't quite understand why a simple
whole rest works for a full bar of 4/2 but NOT for 2/1 ??
As far as I know and according to Chlapik a full bar rest is always the same,
independent of the meter: a centered whole pause. The "table of rests" can
be found on http://www.gmd.de/Misc/Music/ under MusiXTeX, Add-ons.
-- Werner
RE: First score finished: could I have done better?
Alexander Jolk [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
Hi, everybody
Hi yourself.
1. How do I get a \caesura right at the end of a bar? Kludging around
with `\atnextbar' works, but isn't beautiful. (As in
a9- | \atnextbar{\caesura}\ d0.d ...)
If it ain't broke...
2. In a 4/2 measure, a whole bar rest should be using \PAuse, or
shouldn't it?
Not according to Werner's table of rests, accessible under musixtex/add-ons
on the GMD web page. But I must say I don't quite understand why a simple
whole rest works for a full bar of 4/2 but NOT for 2/1 ??
How could I have substituted this?
If you still want to change it to some other character, and have it centered
at the same time, you could use for example
\\\def\pausc{\musixchar58}\
rp /
BUT (a) this may not work in PMX 1.3.6, you may need to update to 2.0 , and
(b) if you want to restore normal function of "rp" for later on, you would
need to add to this something like
\\\let\pausect\pausec\def\pausc{\musixchar58\let\pausec\pausect}\
rp /
UNTESTED! and you may have to "globalize" the \def and \let
Is this a PMX bug?
If you believe Werner's rest table, no, but I can't take credit for that...I
blindly made ALL full-bar rests with a whole rest symbol.
3. The editorial accidental `oen' doesn't get changed to a flat when
transposing, even with relative accidentals in effect. This isn't
hard to substitue by hand, it would just be great if it were done
automatically.
Yea, I know. I'll put it on the list but no guarantees when I'll get to it.
Implementing relative accidentals was fairly easy for in-staff notes since
all it took was one TeX command near the top of the file. But I think
editorial accidentals are set using the character rather than the TeX
accidental macros, so I'd either have to switch to using those macros (and
offsetting the accidental to get it centered properly), or work out some
rather messy logic.
For the record, I'm using M-Tx 0.50a, pmx 1.3.6, and MusiXTeX T.88, on
a Linux (Debian 2.1) system.
Updating may be a little tedious, but I think Linux-compatible versions are
available on the GMD web site.
--Don Simons
Re: score
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I have one question. On left side of score, / | | | | \ There is line like this. I don't know the name in English, so I can't find it on manual. It's often called bracket. In the musixtex manual it's called a brace. The way of using it is described in section 2.2.4.1. Unless your score contains very specialized things or has more than 7 parts I'll recommend that you use the front end tool mtx which enables you to set up your score with curly or square brackets as you like. Regards -- Christian Mondrup, Computer Programmer Scandiatransplant, Skejby Hospital, University Hospital of Aarhus Brendstrupgaardsvej, DK 8200 Aarhus N, Denmark Phone: +45 89 49 53 01, Telefax: +45 89 49 60 07
score
Hello. I have one question. On left side of score, / | | | | \ There is line like this. I don't know the name in English, so I can't find it on manual. How can I write it through MusiXTeX ? Please teach me. Masashi Idogawa E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
