Re: 2014 PDML Annual

2017-03-29 Thread mike wilson
Sorry, not clear.  You have to hit the "see more" button.

> On 30 March 2017 at 06:49 mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you scroll to the bottom of the page, there's a link to get you here:
> http://www.blurb.com/b/5303416-pdml-photo-annual-2014-hardcover
> 
> 
> > On 29 March 2017 at 17:04 Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I too have been unable to contact Mark Roberts via his personal email
> > address,
> > but I might as well address the group. I would like to purchase a hardcover
> > version of the 2014 Annual. The wrap art version, not the dust jacket
> > version.
> > Blurb is all out of those. I gave mine away, and I would like to keep my set
> > of annuals complete. Blurb does have a soft cover book, so I may have to
> > settle for that, but all of my others are hard cover, so I would prefer to
> > find one. I gave mine to the young lady whose posterior was immortalized in
> > that edition, so I am bookless.

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Re: 2014 PDML Annual

2017-03-29 Thread mike wilson
If you scroll to the bottom of the page, there's a link to get you here:
http://www.blurb.com/b/5303416-pdml-photo-annual-2014-hardcover


> On 29 March 2017 at 17:04 Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> 
> I too have been unable to contact Mark Roberts via his personal email address,
> but I might as well address the group. I would like to purchase a hardcover
> version of the 2014 Annual. The wrap art version, not the dust jacket version.
> Blurb is all out of those. I gave mine away, and I would like to keep my set
> of annuals complete. Blurb does have a soft cover book, so I may have to
> settle for that, but all of my others are hard cover, so I would prefer to
> find one. I gave mine to the young lady whose posterior was immortalized in
> that edition, so I am bookless.
> 
> Paul
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Re: PESO: FMX Lane

2017-03-29 Thread mike wilson
PETB will be right on to it.

> On 29 March 2017 at 18:52 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> Kyklokathapsia, the modern form of taurokathapsia
> 
> > On 29 Mar 2017, at 15:59, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> > 
> > that's funny - Looks lIke a guy about to leap onto a motorcycle -  or - a
> > guy lying next tot he motorcycle that threw him
> > 
> > ann
> > 
> >> On 3/28/2017 9:02 PM, David Mann wrote:
> >> A while back I posted a photo of a spray-painted road marking showing where
> >> the cycle lane will go.  I was cycling past the museum today when I saw
> >> what looks like markings for an FMX lane. \m/
> >> 
> >> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1050/#peso

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Re: Dos Pesos - warning - cat content

2017-03-29 Thread Ken Waller

The first is the best IMO. Its the typical cat look !
Well captured ann.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele" 

Subject: Dos Pesos - warning - cat content


Two new shots of Ashley - My camera is stored on my tripod in my office a 
few feet from one of her favorite spots so now and then I get lucky - that 
the tripod is ready and she didnt dash off as soon as I pointed the camera 
at her.


https://annsan.smugmug.com/The-Kitty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/i-LwtgcMN

https://annsan.smugmug.com/The-Kitty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/i-KJ5HHSz/A

These days I shoot almost nothing but ebay products and her majesty - 
camera too heavy


ann



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Re: Dos Pesos - warning - cat content

2017-03-29 Thread Jack Davis
Loving, warm, sharp, worthy portraits. Nice, Ann!
J
Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2017, at 7:26 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Two new shots of Ashley - My camera is stored on my tripod in my office a few 
> feet from one of her favorite spots so now and then I get lucky - that the 
> tripod is ready and she didnt dash off as soon as I pointed the camera at her.
> 
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/The-Kitty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/i-LwtgcMN
> 
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/The-Kitty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/i-KJ5HHSz/A
> 
> These days I shoot almost nothing but ebay products and her majesty - camera 
> too heavy
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> 
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Dos Pesos - warning - cat content

2017-03-29 Thread ann sanfedele
Two new shots of Ashley - My camera is stored on my tripod in my office 
a few feet from one of her favorite spots so now and then I get lucky - 
that the tripod is ready and she didnt dash off as soon as I pointed the 
camera at her.


https://annsan.smugmug.com/The-Kitty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/i-LwtgcMN

https://annsan.smugmug.com/The-Kitty-Corner/Ashley-ultimate-alpha-tabby/i-KJ5HHSz/A

These days I shoot almost nothing but ebay products and her majesty - 
camera too heavy


ann




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Re: 2014 PDML Annual

2017-03-29 Thread Igor PDML-StR



I would suspect that the difference in the ISBN numbers: Mark carefully 
generated two different ones for the hard- and soft-cover versions.


And just in case, for Paul: removing "au" from the URL (domain portion)
would  make it easier to order the book from within the US:
http://www.blurb.com/b/5303416-pdml-photo-annual-2014-hardcover

Cheers,

Igor

Brian Walters Wed, 29 Mar 2017 15:08:50 -0700 wrote:

Paul

For some reason the soft cover and hard cover versions of the 2014
annual were loaded up to Blurb as separate projects.


The hard cover versions are available (both dust jacket and image wrap
versions):

http://au.blurb.com/b/5303416-pdml-photo-annual-2014-hardcover



Cheers

Brian

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Re: PESO: Took a long lunch break yesterday to go hunting...

2017-03-29 Thread ann sanfedele

I hate you , darren :-)

just getting to see one that close let alone getting a nicely composed 
result  The two I saw at  the Bosque in NM  were so far away I could 
only
see them with my strong binoculars.. they are two tiny white specs in a 
frame when I was using a 400 mm lens.


ann

On 3/29/2017 5:05 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Thanks Gonz! We get over a 1/2 million Sandhill Cranes through here
every spring.
http://www.audubon.org/news/see-sandhill-crane-migration-march-2-april-7
http://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/sandhill-crane
However, there are less than 400 Whooping Cranes in the world, so they
are like finding the proverbial needle. They are also wy more shy.
http://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/whooping-crane

I've been lucky enough to see at least one in 4 out of the past 7
years (getting photos 3 of them). This year was the best so far.

Darren Addy
Kearney, NE

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Gonz  wrote:

Great shot. Unusual to see them up there?  Esp for this time of the
year.  That 850mm effective focal length is crazy!


On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:

Thanks for all the comments.
I see this image was picked up by Flickr Explore today. My normally
paltry view count has zoomed to over 3K already this morning.

Darren

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:

Made a couple of mistakes on this run (starting with forgetting my K-3
II at home this day and having to use the K-01.

Comments and criticism welcome in equal measure (either here or on Flickr)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/32848720324/in/dateposted-public/

Darren Addy
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Re: PESO: Mr. and Mrs.

2017-03-29 Thread ann sanfedele

Yes -that's what I meant!
:-)  ann


On 3/29/2017 5:55 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Actually Ann, I'd like it more in a portrait orientation.


-Original Message-

From: ann sanfedele 
Subject: Re: PESO: Mr. and Mrs.

Perfect position on the birdies - great grab!

I confess I  have a nit, though...  the green at the bottom of the frame
a little distracting..
If you could desaturate that so that it is the same color (or rather
lack of color)  as the rest of the blurred background it would be extra
super...
what do you think?

Guessing Ken will want you to crop it a bit too :-)

picky picky picky

ann

On 3/29/2017 4:32 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

https://www.photo.net/photo/18368381/untitled





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Re: 2014 PDML Annual

2017-03-29 Thread Brian Walters
Paul

For some reason the soft cover and hard cover versions of the 2014
annual were loaded up to Blurb as separate projects.

The hard cover versions are available (both dust jacket and image wrap
versions):

http://au.blurb.com/b/5303416-pdml-photo-annual-2014-hardcover



Cheers

Brian

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On Thu, Mar 30, 2017, at 03:04 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> I too have been unable to contact Mark Roberts via his personal email
> address, but I might as well address the group. I would like to purchase
> a hardcover version of the 2014 Annual. The wrap art version, not the
> dust jacket version. Blurb is all out of those. I gave mine away, and I
> would like to keep my set of annuals complete. Blurb does have a soft
> cover book, so I may have to settle for that, but all of my others are
> hard cover, so I would prefer to find one. I gave mine to the young lady
> whose posterior was immortalized in that edition, so I am bookless.
> 
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Re: PESO: Mr. and Mrs.

2017-03-29 Thread Ken Waller
Actually Ann, I'd like it more in a portrait orientation.


-Original Message-
>From: ann sanfedele 
>Subject: Re: PESO: Mr. and Mrs.
>
>Perfect position on the birdies - great grab!
>
>I confess I  have a nit, though...  the green at the bottom of the frame 
>a little distracting..
>If you could desaturate that so that it is the same color (or rather 
>lack of color)  as the rest of the blurred background it would be extra 
>super...
>what do you think?
>
>Guessing Ken will want you to crop it a bit too :-)
>
>picky picky picky
>
>ann
>
>On 3/29/2017 4:32 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18368381/untitled


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Re: PESO: Mr. and Mrs.

2017-03-29 Thread Ken Waller
Ac


-Original Message-
>From: ann sanfedele 
>Sent: Mar 29, 2017 5:47 PM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>Subject: Re: PESO: Mr. and Mrs.
>
>Perfect position on the birdies - great grab!
>
>I confess I  have a nit, though...  the green at the bottom of the frame 
>a little distracting..
>If you could desaturate that so that it is the same color (or rather 
>lack of color)  as the rest of the blurred background it would be extra 
>super...
>what do you think?
>
>Guessing Ken will want you to crop it a bit too :-)
>
>picky picky picky
>
>ann
>
>On 3/29/2017 4:32 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18368381/untitled
>>
>
>
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Peso-Sac Ntl

2017-03-29 Thread Jack Davis


Went afield this AM and found I'd picked a good AM.
Had the Sacramento National Refuge pretty much to myself.
Attaching a couple images.

C? Thanks!

150-450 (until further notice.)

J  

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1193

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1194

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Re: PESO: Mr. and Mrs.

2017-03-29 Thread ann sanfedele

Perfect position on the birdies - great grab!

I confess I  have a nit, though...  the green at the bottom of the frame 
a little distracting..
If you could desaturate that so that it is the same color (or rather 
lack of color)  as the rest of the blurred background it would be extra 
super...

what do you think?

Guessing Ken will want you to crop it a bit too :-)

picky picky picky

ann

On 3/29/2017 4:32 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

https://www.photo.net/photo/18368381/untitled




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Re: PESO: Mr. and Mrs.

2017-03-29 Thread Ken Waller

Unique capture Paul.

I get both sexes at my place but almost never together.

-Original Message-
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>Subject: PESO: Mr. and Mrs.
>
>https://www.photo.net/photo/18368381/untitled


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Re: PESO: Took a long lunch break yesterday to go hunting...

2017-03-29 Thread Gonz
I've never seen one, even though I'm three hours away from one of the
best places to see them here in Texas.


On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Thanks Gonz! We get over a 1/2 million Sandhill Cranes through here
> every spring.
> http://www.audubon.org/news/see-sandhill-crane-migration-march-2-april-7
> http://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/sandhill-crane
> However, there are less than 400 Whooping Cranes in the world, so they
> are like finding the proverbial needle. They are also wy more shy.
> http://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/whooping-crane
>
> I've been lucky enough to see at least one in 4 out of the past 7
> years (getting photos 3 of them). This year was the best so far.
>
> Darren Addy
> Kearney, NE
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>> Great shot. Unusual to see them up there?  Esp for this time of the
>> year.  That 850mm effective focal length is crazy!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>> Thanks for all the comments.
>>> I see this image was picked up by Flickr Explore today. My normally
>>> paltry view count has zoomed to over 3K already this morning.
>>>
>>> Darren
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
 Made a couple of mistakes on this run (starting with forgetting my K-3
 II at home this day and having to use the K-01.

 Comments and criticism welcome in equal measure (either here or on Flickr)
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/32848720324/in/dateposted-public/

 Darren Addy
 Kearney, Nebraska

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Re: PESO: Mr. and Mrs.

2017-03-29 Thread Jack Davis

Terrific shot!! All but impossible to catch such wily game at the same DOF.
Both beautifully caught and he is needle sharp.
Thanks for posting.

J 

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Re: Why did my K1 not go automatically to DST? Problem solved!

2017-03-29 Thread Jos de Fotograaf
That is clear to me, Jan, at first sight I am thinking that the time 
table info could be easily modulated on the GPS signal.


I could not find detailed specification of the system and signals.

Greetz, Jos


On 28-Mar-17 14:42, Jan van Wijk wrote:

Hallo Jos,

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:19:56 +0200 Jos de Fotograaf wrote:

_Is DST in the GPS info itself?_

No


Some members suggested that the camera needs look-up tables to see DST data of 
specific countries.
I am not so sure about that.

You need either DST tables (combined with timezone info), OR manual setting of 
DST yes/no


I did not get a clear answer from Google.
But, GPS was designed for military purposes, it contains time information, so 
why not also DST data?

The GPS sattelite(s) don't know where YOU are, they only send an encoded very
exact TIME signal which can be received everywhere the sattelite is 'visible'

Your GPS device can then calculate its position by comparing time-differences
as received from multiple sattelites (closest sattelite is received first :)

The decoded time will be available to the GPS device this way, but it is UTC 
time.
The device needs to convert that to local time using timezone + DST information.


For military on the ground it can be crucial to know the exact local time.
Even when all other systems fail.

Yes, but the GPS only supplies UTC times.

BTW: In large scale military operations, they often use UTC times directly,
it used to be called ZULU time, for ZERO deviation from the ZERO-meridian time 
:)


_Well, all together it took me a lot more time, than simply adapting the clock 
manually! But I gained knowledge!

Indeed, I checked my K3, it did not have DST checked either (fixed now).

It is important to set that correctly, otherwise the 'Sync' done by the GPS 
unit will set
the time wrong (since the conversion from UTC to local-time will be off by 1 
hour)

I have had that happening a few times, setting it manually, then seeing it 
change
automatically as soon as the GPS unit gets a proper connection :)

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Re: PESO: Took a long lunch break yesterday to go hunting...

2017-03-29 Thread Darren Addy
Thanks Gonz! We get over a 1/2 million Sandhill Cranes through here
every spring.
http://www.audubon.org/news/see-sandhill-crane-migration-march-2-april-7
http://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/sandhill-crane
However, there are less than 400 Whooping Cranes in the world, so they
are like finding the proverbial needle. They are also wy more shy.
http://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/whooping-crane

I've been lucky enough to see at least one in 4 out of the past 7
years (getting photos 3 of them). This year was the best so far.

Darren Addy
Kearney, NE

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> Great shot. Unusual to see them up there?  Esp for this time of the
> year.  That 850mm effective focal length is crazy!
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> Thanks for all the comments.
>> I see this image was picked up by Flickr Explore today. My normally
>> paltry view count has zoomed to over 3K already this morning.
>>
>> Darren
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>>> Made a couple of mistakes on this run (starting with forgetting my K-3
>>> II at home this day and having to use the K-01.
>>>
>>> Comments and criticism welcome in equal measure (either here or on Flickr)
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/32848720324/in/dateposted-public/
>>>
>>> Darren Addy
>>> Kearney, Nebraska
>>>
>>> --
>>> “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ”
>>> ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above
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Re: PESO: Took a long lunch break yesterday to go hunting...

2017-03-29 Thread Gonz
Great shot. Unusual to see them up there?  Esp for this time of the
year.  That 850mm effective focal length is crazy!


On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Thanks for all the comments.
> I see this image was picked up by Flickr Explore today. My normally
> paltry view count has zoomed to over 3K already this morning.
>
> Darren
>
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
>> Made a couple of mistakes on this run (starting with forgetting my K-3
>> II at home this day and having to use the K-01.
>>
>> Comments and criticism welcome in equal measure (either here or on Flickr)
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/32848720324/in/dateposted-public/
>>
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Re: PESO: Mr. and Mrs.

2017-03-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
SWEET!

I like that a lot!

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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PESO: Mr. and Mrs.

2017-03-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
https://www.photo.net/photo/18368381/untitled

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Re: Can I zoom the electronic viewfinder of K1?

2017-03-29 Thread Jos de Fotograaf
Thx Stan, there should be a quick reference sheet with all those handy 
things..



On 29-Mar-17 22:15, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Jos, also note that it works the same way when you are reviewing images on your 
SD card.
Use the blue > key to get into Review mode, hitting the OK button starts you 
into zoom, rear wheel controls how far you zoom. Once you start zooming, of course 
you only see a portion of the picture. The four way controller buttons allow you 
to scroll around within the image. (Also the same when you are in LV.)
In addition, when in Image Review mode, the front dial allows you to move from 
image to image while maintaining the same level of zoom.

In the case of either LV or image review mode, hitting the OK button again 
takes you back to a normal full screen view.

stan


On Mar 29, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Mark C  wrote:

In live view tap the "OK" button in the middle of the 4 way controller to zoom 
in. You can control the amount of zooming with the rear control wheel.

Mark

On 3/29/2017 2:19 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote:

I want to compare sharpness of several FF lenses on K1.

I have those test pictures with definition lines and want to focus manually 
onto those lines.

I could use my Pentax magnifier on the optical viewfinder, but I would prefer 
to use the electronic viewfinder (live view) in enlarge mode.

In the manual I could not find how to enlarge the electronic view. Is it 
possible?

Greetz, Jos







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Re: Photo books question

2017-03-29 Thread Larry Colen



David J Brooks wrote:

Hey all. A small local group i am part of "Thepassingshow".
http://www.thepassingshow.com/members wanted to do a book of local
pictures for Canada's 150th birthday this year. It was a big
undertaking as some of the organizers wanted to build a  pro book
which would entail a great cost and order numbers. It has been scaled
back to a smaller less pro book and do something with shutterfly or
blurb or some such on line presence. We are having meeting Tuesday at
local pub to discuss this. I suppose my question would be to Mark and
Bill and who ever has done some blurb or shutterfly books on the
process. I did one blurb book many years ago for family but it was
pretty basic.


I recommend you bribe Mark to use it as a class project.

I've done a few. Adobe has an all singing all dancing program for 
publishing (InDesign) which will publish directly to blurb. It does a 
great job, but the learning curve is more work than putting together the 
book. I'd suggest just giving it a try in lightroom and see if that 
comes close enough to what you want, if that doesn't work, then put in 
the effort to try something else.


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Re: Can I zoom the electronic viewfinder of K1?

2017-03-29 Thread Stanley Halpin
Jos, also note that it works the same way when you are reviewing images on your 
SD card. 
Use the blue > key to get into Review mode, hitting the OK button starts you 
into zoom, rear wheel controls how far you zoom. Once you start zooming, of 
course you only see a portion of the picture. The four way controller buttons 
allow you to scroll around within the image. (Also the same when you are in 
LV.) 
In addition, when in Image Review mode, the front dial allows you to move from 
image to image while maintaining the same level of zoom.

In the case of either LV or image review mode, hitting the OK button again 
takes you back to a normal full screen view.

stan

> On Mar 29, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> In live view tap the "OK" button in the middle of the 4 way controller to 
> zoom in. You can control the amount of zooming with the rear control wheel.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 3/29/2017 2:19 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote:
>> I want to compare sharpness of several FF lenses on K1.
>> 
>> I have those test pictures with definition lines and want to focus manually 
>> onto those lines.
>> 
>> I could use my Pentax magnifier on the optical viewfinder, but I would 
>> prefer to use the electronic viewfinder (live view) in enlarge mode.
>> 
>> In the manual I could not find how to enlarge the electronic view. Is it 
>> possible?
>> 
>> Greetz, Jos
>> 
>> 


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Re: Can I zoom the electronic viewfinder of K1?

2017-03-29 Thread Jos de Fotograaf

Thank you Mark, this is very helpful!


On 29-Mar-17 21:07, Mark C wrote:
In live view tap the "OK" button in the middle of the 4 way controller 
to zoom in. You can control the amount of zooming with the rear 
control wheel.


Mark

On 3/29/2017 2:19 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote:

I want to compare sharpness of several FF lenses on K1.

I have those test pictures with definition lines and want to focus 
manually onto those lines.


I could use my Pentax magnifier on the optical viewfinder, but I 
would prefer to use the electronic viewfinder (live view) in enlarge 
mode.


In the manual I could not find how to enlarge the electronic view. Is 
it possible?


Greetz, Jos








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Re: Peso-Avacets

2017-03-29 Thread Jack Davis
Pleased to read your generous
remarks, as always, Ann.
Thanks!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2017, at 7:55 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Nice timing  - fun shot... "like"
> ann
> 
>> On 3/28/2017 12:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>> Three Avocets in a hurry!
>> Shot last Mon @ Colusa.
>> Lucky Pan!
>> 
>> C? Thanks!
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> 150-450
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1192
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Re: PESOx2: Guinea Fowl

2017-03-29 Thread Jack Davis
Nice shot! Tack sharp and pleasingly
exposed.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> The Guinea Fowl have bred well this year thanks to our lazy Municipality who 
> have not cut the grass in our suburban parks. The long grass has afforded the 
> chicks much needed protection from feral cats & raptors. Three "families", 
> comprising 6 adults & 19 chicks flew from the "park" over the wall into our 
> garden at dusk. I quickly grabbed a camera & a cup of birdseed eventually 
> luring some into range. The adults have blue heads & the chicks striped 
> feathers on their heads. Not the best photos because of failing light & low 
> shutter speeds. Scroll R for the other.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9237220/
> 
> K7 with the HD 55-300 @ about 60   1/60   ISO 800
> 
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Re: PESOx2: Guinea Fowl

2017-03-29 Thread Gonz
Cool.  A friend of ours had a bunch of those on her property to take
care of the locusts and other yard pests.


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> The Guinea Fowl have bred well this year thanks to our lazy Municipality who
> have not cut the grass in our suburban parks. The long grass has afforded
> the chicks much needed protection from feral cats & raptors. Three
> "families", comprising 6 adults & 19 chicks flew from the "park" over the
> wall into our garden at dusk. I quickly grabbed a camera & a cup of birdseed
> eventually luring some into range. The adults have blue heads & the chicks
> striped feathers on their heads. Not the best photos because of failing
> light & low shutter speeds. Scroll R for the other.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9237220/
>
> K7 with the HD 55-300 @ about 60   1/60   ISO 800
>
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Re: Can I zoom the electronic viewfinder of K1?

2017-03-29 Thread Mark C
In live view tap the "OK" button in the middle of the 4 way controller 
to zoom in. You can control the amount of zooming with the rear control 
wheel.


Mark

On 3/29/2017 2:19 PM, Jos de Fotograaf wrote:

I want to compare sharpness of several FF lenses on K1.

I have those test pictures with definition lines and want to focus 
manually onto those lines.


I could use my Pentax magnifier on the optical viewfinder, but I would 
prefer to use the electronic viewfinder (live view) in enlarge mode.


In the manual I could not find how to enlarge the electronic view. Is 
it possible?


Greetz, Jos





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PESOx2: Guinea Fowl

2017-03-29 Thread Alan C
The Guinea Fowl have bred well this year thanks to our lazy Municipality who 
have not cut the grass in our suburban parks. The long grass has afforded 
the chicks much needed protection from feral cats & raptors. Three 
"families", comprising 6 adults & 19 chicks flew from the "park" over the 
wall into our garden at dusk. I quickly grabbed a camera & a cup of birdseed 
eventually luring some into range. The adults have blue heads & the chicks 
striped feathers on their heads. Not the best photos because of failing 
light & low shutter speeds. Scroll R for the other.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/9237220/

K7 with the HD 55-300 @ about 60   1/60   ISO 800


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Can I zoom the electronic viewfinder of K1?

2017-03-29 Thread Jos de Fotograaf

I want to compare sharpness of several FF lenses on K1.

I have those test pictures with definition lines and want to focus 
manually onto those lines.


I could use my Pentax magnifier on the optical viewfinder, but I would 
prefer to use the electronic viewfinder (live view) in enlarge mode.


In the manual I could not find how to enlarge the electronic view. Is it 
possible?


Greetz, Jos


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Re: 2014 PDML Annual

2017-03-29 Thread Bruce Walker
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Stanley Halpin
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> > On Mar 29, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> >
> > ...Blurb is all out of those...
>
> I didn’t know that could happen! I have always assumed that if/when I wanted 
> to go back to my first books (2008 or so) I would be able to print another 
> copy…

Blurb is completely print on demand, no stock, so running out would
have to be an artificial condition. Numbered, Limited Edition?

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Re: Lens FOV - APS-C vs full frame vs 645D/Z

2017-03-29 Thread Darren Addy
APC wide angle: I love my Sigma EX 10-20mm f4-5.6.
Probably have taken more memorable images on that, than any other lens.
It is full frame down to about 15mm (with little vignetting) so I
think it matches the widest rectaliner full frame film lens that
Pentax ever made.

Darren Addy
Kearney, NE

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:
> OK, wide angles. I remember back almost 20 years ago when I first bought a 
> FA*24/2.0 and took it out for a test drive. First look through the viewfinder 
> and I was blown away. At some point I bought an A-20/2.8 and wow.
>
> Once I got into the wonderful world of 1.5x digital, my early lenses were 
> 16-45, 50-135. So, 24-70ish, 70-200ish.I went out for a day’s shooting with 
> my brother, borrowed his DA12-24 [18-35ish] and liked that. Eventually got 
> one of my own, and the DA14, and the DA15 though not all at the same time. 
> (Some of these were still on my shelf when I was planning Alaska, but I 
> didn’t chart them as I never had any intention of taking my wider APS-C 
> lenses as they gave me little if any advantage over the 24-70 I knew I would 
> take for the K-1. The 20-40 for the K-3 was a compromise, smaller and lighter 
> than a 16-50 and thus more likely to be used by my wife.) In sum, my prior 
> experience on film cameras went no wider than 20mm and with APS-C had been no 
> wider than a 14mm (21mm FOV equivalence). So, moving to a 15mm lens on the 
> full frame is quite a move for me.
>
> On my Alaska trip I could have taken advantage of a wider lens a few times 
> (widest I took was the D FA24-70) but I got by with 2-3 shot panos, some 
> handheld, some from a tripod. Actually I did have the A-20mm in my bag but 
> seldom used it. Easier to do the panos and work on them later than it would 
> have been to switch lenses.
>
> One of the things that my FOV chart made apparent to me was how much I could 
> extend my range on the wide end by adding the D FA15-30 or something in that 
> class. And I am thinking ahead to time in the narrow alleys and canals of 
> Venice later this year...
>
> In general I much prefer to stick with Pentax items. particularly modern 
> lenses with good autofocus and weather sealing. I was tempted by the new IRIX 
> lenses, their 15mm is out there, their 11mm is out or will be very soon. 
> Weather sealed, check, but not AF. When I saw a good deal on a LNIB D FA15-30 
> from KEH, on the day they were doing a 10% price reduction on all stock,  I 
> made the plunge.  I have now had the D FA15-30 for a while. I am quite liking 
> that lens and appreciate the wide end. If Pentax sold a wider (rectilinear) 
> lens, I probably would not be interested.
>
> To your points, if I went off-brand and gave up weather sealing and AF yes I 
> could find something equivalent for an APS-C body. So many tradeoffs in all 
> of this, and at the end of the day I have only minor regrets in choosing the 
> K-1 over APS-C. And that regret is that my favorite shoulder bag is no longer 
> adequate.
>
> stan
>
>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:17 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>>
>> Part of the lack of real wide angle with APS-C is a matter of the lenses you 
>> had.  Judging from spreadsheet the widest was the DA 20-40.
>>
>> Now I'd prefer all Pentax lenses, but there are ultra wide angle lenses for 
>> APS-C from other manufactures.   The Samyang 10mm f2.8 is ultrawide by any 
>> standard, sure it's manual focus but at 10mm DOF pretty much takes care of 
>> focusing even wide open, and there's the Sigma 10-20mm f3.5 or the older 
>> version that's f4.0~5.6.  All three have the reputation of being fine 
>> lenses.   Then there's the venerable Pentax 12-24.  Which isn't really 
>> ultrawide.  It's not a huge selection, but there are pretty good options.
>>
>> Now there are lots of reasons to prefer a K-1 the larger viewfinder is 
>> reason in itself, but I don't think there there's lens wider than 14mm for K 
>> mount that covers FF, and I'm pretty sure that the selection is just about 
>> as limited as for APS-C. You've got the Pentax branded Tamron design 15-30, 
>> a Sigma or two in that range, the old A 15mm f3.5, the Samyang 14mm there 
>> may be others but I can't think of them off the top of my head.   They're 
>> not all that thick on the ground.
>>
>>
>> On 3/27/2017 10:35 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote:
>>> Looking for something totally else, I came across this spreadsheet on my 
>>> hard drive: a spreadsheet comparing the field of view of various lenses on 
>>> each of these 3 Pentax systems: K-1, APS-C, and 645Z. No new information, 
>>> nothing that most of us don’t already know about how various lenses behave 
>>> in combination with various sensors, but I found it useful to lay it out 
>>> this way to be able to visually compare.
>>>
>>> Dropbox link here to a pdf of the single page spreadsheet:  
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qn2tzf43nh77n1q/Lens%20FOV%20Comparison.pdf?dl=0
>>>
>>> 

Re: PESO: FMX Lane

2017-03-29 Thread Bob W-PDML
Kyklokathapsia, the modern form of taurokathapsia

> On 29 Mar 2017, at 15:59, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> that's funny - Looks lIke a guy about to leap onto a motorcycle -  or - a guy 
> lying next tot he motorcycle that threw him
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 3/28/2017 9:02 PM, David Mann wrote:
>> A while back I posted a photo of a spray-painted road marking showing where 
>> the cycle lane will go.  I was cycling past the museum today when I saw what 
>> looks like markings for an FMX lane. \m/
>> 
>> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1050/#peso
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
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Re: My attempt at car photography!

2017-03-29 Thread Igor PDML-StR



+1.
Cotty stole my thoughts! :)



But when I was taking this, related photo, if I had used a polarizer,
I am not sure if my car (the white one) would have shown up:
http://42graphy.org/misc/Car_IR32941.jpg
(or maybe it would've been enhanced... it depends on the polarization...)
:-)
Igor




Chris Mitchell Fri, 24 Mar 2017 07:27:01 -0700 wrote:

Thanks Cotty. That's 2 votes for a polariser...

Chris


On 24 March 2017 at 13:59, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 24/3/17, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed:


While I was going through masses of negatives to decide on my PUG 20
entry, I came across a session that I did for a friend who has a 1970s
Aston Martin V8. I'd be interested in what the car buffs on the list
think of this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lkwexm6zmxcjyzx/John%20Aston%20Martin002.jpg?dl=0


Really nice shot Chris. I like how you've kept the outline of the car
free from background clutter. They only thing that would improve it
would be the use of a polarising filter to combat sky reflection.

Nice one!



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Re: 2014 PDML Annual

2017-03-29 Thread Stanley Halpin

> On Mar 29, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> ...Blurb is all out of those...

I didn’t know that could happen! I have always assumed that if/when I wanted to 
go back to my first books (2008 or so) I would be able to print another copy…

stan
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Re: PESO: Worlds Apart

2017-03-29 Thread P. J. Alling
I hate to say this, partly because none of my lenses are perfect, but, 
maybe it's just the lines in the subject matter, and the slight barrel 
distortion is setting my teeth on edge.  It's really noticeable in this 
image.



On 3/28/2017 6:30 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

A November Sunday in Lisbon. Color version:

https://www.photo.net/photo/18364062/

Channeling Marko:

https://www.photo.net/photo/18364064/

(Can't seem to get his sharpness and contrast, though...)

Comments appreciated.


Rick


P.S. The new photo.net is such a miserable turd that even maggots and
dung beetles aren't interested. (Testing? Why would anyone do any
testing before going live?)




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2014 PDML Annual

2017-03-29 Thread Paul Stenquist
I too have been unable to contact Mark Roberts via his personal email address, 
but I might as well address the group. I would like to purchase a hardcover 
version of the 2014 Annual. The wrap art version, not the dust jacket version. 
Blurb is all out of those. I gave mine away, and I would like to keep my set of 
annuals complete. Blurb does have a soft cover book, so I may have to settle 
for that, but all of my others are hard cover, so I would prefer to find one. I 
gave mine to the young lady whose posterior was immortalized in that edition, 
so I am bookless.

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Re: Mark Roberts

2017-03-29 Thread Bruce Walker
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:44 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> > On 29/3/17, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> >>Mark i'm sure you are busy with real work and paying projects but i
> >>sent you an off list email. Did you get it
> >
> > If he knows what's good for him, no he did not.
>
> If he's on this list he does not know whats good for him.LOL

Mark!

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Re: Mark Roberts

2017-03-29 Thread David J Brooks
On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 29/3/17, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Mark i'm sure you are busy with real work and paying projects but i
>>sent you an off list email. Did you get it
>
> If he knows what's good for him, no he did not.

If he's on this list he does not know whats good for him.LOL

Dave
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Re: PESO: Took a long lunch break yesterday to go hunting...

2017-03-29 Thread Darren Addy
Thanks for all the comments.
I see this image was picked up by Flickr Explore today. My normally
paltry view count has zoomed to over 3K already this morning.

Darren

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Made a couple of mistakes on this run (starting with forgetting my K-3
> II at home this day and having to use the K-01.
>
> Comments and criticism welcome in equal measure (either here or on Flickr)
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/32848720324/in/dateposted-public/
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Re: Mark Roberts

2017-03-29 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 29/3/17, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Mark i'm sure you are busy with real work and paying projects but i
>sent you an off list email. Did you get it

If he knows what's good for him, no he did not.

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Mark Roberts

2017-03-29 Thread David J Brooks
Mark i'm sure you are busy with real work and paying projects but i
sent you an off list email. Did you get it

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Re: PESO: FMX Lane

2017-03-29 Thread ann sanfedele
that's funny - Looks lIke a guy about to leap onto a motorcycle -  or - 
a guy lying next tot he motorcycle that threw him


ann

On 3/28/2017 9:02 PM, David Mann wrote:

A while back I posted a photo of a spray-painted road marking showing where the 
cycle lane will go.  I was cycling past the museum today when I saw what looks 
like markings for an FMX lane. \m/

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1050/#peso

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Re: Peso-Avacets

2017-03-29 Thread ann sanfedele

Nice timing  - fun shot... "like"
ann

On 3/28/2017 12:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


Three Avocets in a hurry!
Shot last Mon @ Colusa.
Lucky Pan!

C? Thanks!

J

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Re: The recent device ban and traveling with a camera

2017-03-29 Thread Gonz
I suspect that the same body has already been through some jarring
moments being shipped to its final destination, whether by container
ship or by plane.  Loading/unloading boxes, loading/unloading
containers, the trip itself, the distribution network which ships the
cameras to its retailer and the shipping to the customer's house, all
involving UPS/Fedex wannabee monkeys.  I don't know exactly the
mechanism of the shake reduction, but I suspect its some kind of piezo
device, which means that when its off its pretty rigid.


On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 1:04 AM, mike wilson  wrote:
> I would think that Pentax DSLRs, with in-body shake reduction, are at least as
> fragile as lenses.  I'd certainly feel happier stowing an M or earlier lens in
> my carryon than a modern body - and not just because of the value aspect.
>
>> On 28 March 2017 at 16:50 Gonz  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Can't you carry your lenses on board and check in the camera with no
>> lenses?  I would think that the lenses would be more fragile, esp
>> since you can wrap the camera in clothing and put it in your suitcase?
>>  The lenses shouldn't be considered conventional "electronic device"
>> since they have no battery even though they may have some chip or
>> motors inside.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>> >
>> > Since the most recent on the devices in the carry-on on certain airlines
>> > from some destination, I've been thinking that a few options for flying are
>> > no longer available for me.
>> > As far as I understand, in addition to the laptops, DSLRs (and any other
>> > cameras besides cellphones are prohibited in the carry-on as well.
>> > And as we've discussed before, it would be extremely risky to place a
>> > DSLR+lenses into a regular checked-in suitcase.
>> >
>> > Two of the banned airlines have (or rather had) a potential for me flying
>> > their flights: Emirates and Turkish Airlines.
>> > I've never flown Emirates due to the routing/pricing, but always wanted
>> > because of their reputation.
>> > Turkish Airlines, on the other hand, offers competitive pricing for flying
>> > to Europe (connecting in Istambul), and since they are in the aliance with
>> > United, I've used them on a couple of trips recently, both business and
>> > personal.
>> >
>> > It is interesting that Emirates just came up with a solution that *might*
>> > work:
>> > (USA Today:)
>> > https://goo.gl/G0HQrj
>> > http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/03/23/emirates-rolls-out-laptop-handling-service-response-ban/99543956/
>> >
>> > With Turkish Airlines, whose Customer Service attitude is so "laid back"
>> > that it neglects "customer" and to some degree "service", - I am not sure 
>> > if
>> > I would trust even such a solution. -- I mean I wouldn't be sure that my
>> > camera bag will not walk away between the gate and the cargo.
>> >
>> > And then for any airline, there is airport ground operations personnel on
>> > the arrival to US.
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Re: Photo books question

2017-03-29 Thread David J Brooks
any one know if shutterfly or blurb can allow others to see a book and
make edit comments on it. Looking at 12 participants

Dave

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> I will pass that along Thnks
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
>> David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Mark Roberts
>>> wrote:
 Dave, for your purposes (and likely time commitment) I'd recommend you
 download Blurb's "Booksmart" software and work with one of their
 built-in templates. You'll have the quickest learning curve and lowest
 frustration level that way.
>>>
>>>Mark do you great your own borders and theme for our books.? I'm
>>
>> Yep. The book is all assembled in InDesign. It has a long, steep
>> learning curve and many foibles.
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Re: The recent device ban and traveling with a camera

2017-03-29 Thread Igor PDML-StR



For the overall number, I just realized, I was counting only the airports 
designated by FAA as "Commercial service - primary" ( over 10 000 
passenger boardings per year). You probably included "Commercial service - 
nonprimary" (between 2.5K and 10K boardings per year).


On one hand, I didn't find the list of the latter upon a quick look.  On 
the other hand, I suspected that most of those are serviced by charter 
flights. But now, I am thinking that small airports with a single daily 
flight (say CRJ-100) with about half load on average (say, 25 passengers 
on average) would not meet the 10-K cut-off. And then some of those 
airports may have seasonal schedule.
One example of such airports is WYS (Yellowstone Airport), served 
exclusivle by Delta between May and September (only 7,796 enplaments in 
2015).


The latest total number of commercial airports I was able to find (CY15)
lists 544 airports:
https://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/media/cy15-commercial-service-enplanements.pdf
The last one on the list, LAF, that just barely made the cut for the 
"commercial" (2500+ enplaments), has not had scheduled commercial flights 
since 2004.


So, I suspect the correct number of the airports with regular scheduled 
commercial flight services might be somewhere between 500 and 600.


Cheers,

Igor

PS. I am always glad to see that I am not the only one who cares for the 
accuracy of statements. :-)




 John Francis Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:38:26 -0700 wrote:

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 02:39:21PM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


I don't know how many US airports Delta and Delta Connections fly to
(out of almost 400 commercial airports), but 84 is probably not all of them.



I count 252

Your 400 figure is a bit low, too - my count shows 662 airports
in the USA that have scheduled flights operating to/from them.

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Re: The recent device ban and traveling with a camera

2017-03-29 Thread mike wilson
I would think that Pentax DSLRs, with in-body shake reduction, are at least as
fragile as lenses.  I'd certainly feel happier stowing an M or earlier lens in
my carryon than a modern body - and not just because of the value aspect.

> On 28 March 2017 at 16:50 Gonz  wrote:
> 
> 
> Can't you carry your lenses on board and check in the camera with no
> lenses?  I would think that the lenses would be more fragile, esp
> since you can wrap the camera in clothing and put it in your suitcase?
>  The lenses shouldn't be considered conventional "electronic device"
> since they have no battery even though they may have some chip or
> motors inside.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> >
> > Since the most recent on the devices in the carry-on on certain airlines
> > from some destination, I've been thinking that a few options for flying are
> > no longer available for me.
> > As far as I understand, in addition to the laptops, DSLRs (and any other
> > cameras besides cellphones are prohibited in the carry-on as well.
> > And as we've discussed before, it would be extremely risky to place a
> > DSLR+lenses into a regular checked-in suitcase.
> >
> > Two of the banned airlines have (or rather had) a potential for me flying
> > their flights: Emirates and Turkish Airlines.
> > I've never flown Emirates due to the routing/pricing, but always wanted
> > because of their reputation.
> > Turkish Airlines, on the other hand, offers competitive pricing for flying
> > to Europe (connecting in Istambul), and since they are in the aliance with
> > United, I've used them on a couple of trips recently, both business and
> > personal.
> >
> > It is interesting that Emirates just came up with a solution that *might*
> > work:
> > (USA Today:)
> > https://goo.gl/G0HQrj
> > http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2017/03/23/emirates-rolls-out-laptop-handling-service-response-ban/99543956/
> >
> > With Turkish Airlines, whose Customer Service attitude is so "laid back"
> > that it neglects "customer" and to some degree "service", - I am not sure if
> > I would trust even such a solution. -- I mean I wouldn't be sure that my
> > camera bag will not walk away between the gate and the cargo.
> >
> > And then for any airline, there is airport ground operations personnel on
> > the arrival to US.

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