Re: People Scanning Our Prints
I contacted the web designer about those two photos of mine on this one site. They in turn contacted the people who are in charge of the actual content, they just designed the frame work, and the two pictures have been removed and replaced with two pretty horrible shots. The web lady was very apologetic, saying they scrutinize the sites but i doubt that's true. My copy right is pretty p[lain on the photos. Dave Thatel learn em.:-) Dave On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:05 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: People Scanning Our Prints I'd be irked. However, this is the kind of thing i go through.: http://www.highviewfarms.ca/clinics.html Look close at the two pictures on this one. I have emailed them but no response yet. They did buy two prints from me last December, not these, but its still gives them no right to do this. This is were is lose major sales. Do we have the protection of the DMCA in Canada? If so, you can send a takedown notice to his ISP and they have to take it down. I have the contact info now for the web designer. I'm sending them an email to see what happens. Dave William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Way to go, Dave! cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:13 AM Subject: Re: People Scanning Our Prints I contacted the web designer about those two photos of mine on this one site. They in turn contacted the people who are in charge of the actual content, they just designed the frame work, and the two pictures have been removed and replaced with two pretty horrible shots. The web lady was very apologetic, saying they scrutinize the sites but i doubt that's true. My copy right is pretty p[lain on the photos. Dave Thatel learn em.:-) Dave On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:05 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: People Scanning Our Prints I'd be irked. However, this is the kind of thing i go through.: http://www.highviewfarms.ca/clinics.html Look close at the two pictures on this one. I have emailed them but no response yet. They did buy two prints from me last December, not these, but its still gives them no right to do this. This is were is lose major sales. Do we have the protection of the DMCA in Canada? If so, you can send a takedown notice to his ISP and they have to take it down. I have the contact info now for the web designer. I'm sending them an email to see what happens. Dave William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:49 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: Take the high road. Accept that you have made a gift of prints to family members. Get in touch with the family members who have been gifted with your work and see if they would like signed, orignal prints instead of scans. In future, be more discerning about who you give pictures to. William Robb I am with William on this one. -Pasvorn -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Christine Aguila Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine It was bad manners on somebody's part to make copies without your permission. Did the father-in-law just take it upon himself to do it, or did your friend tell him it was OK? If it was costing me income, lost sales or such, I'd be pissed off. Likewise, if the father-in-law was selling copies of my work, and I wasn't getting a cut ... I'd have something to say about it. Otherwise, I'd be flattered they liked my image enough to want more than one copy, even though it would have been polite if someone had asked me. Sometimes friends do things that hurt, and you just have to grit your teeth let it ride. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: William Robb Sort of a follow up on this topic which may be of interest to Canadian subscribers. My understanding is that the big box store from Bentonville, the one Sam Walton started no longer honours copyrights in Canada. The lab I am in has an anything goes policy that allows the customer to scan and print whatever they like. All they have to do is click yes on the copyright ownership screen and they can print whatever they like off our machines. I presume, though can't confirm, that this is a corporate wide policy for the Canadian arm of the company. William Robb Probably pretty much the same policy as my employer has. We - that is the corporation I work for - will not KNOWINGLY print copyrighted material. We post an electronic notice on the kiosk informing the customer of this fact and require the customer to accept a statement that they will not print copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright holder. But we can't monitor everything someone puts on the scanner at the self service kiosk. Put yourself in the place of the poor schlub running the photolab at Wally-world. They're probably doing the work of 3 people just keeping the lab printer running and fishing lost memory cards out the wrong slots in the self service kiosks. If it's a store with the photolab right next to the service desk, they're also having to handle customer returns and having to go be a backup cashier when the line gets too long at checkout. Add to that the multitude of *IDIOTS* who put in a one hour print order for the entire several thousand jpegs they've crammed into their 256 MB CF card and then insist on asking you every two minutes if their prints are ready yet. And then they want to argue over whether they should have to pay for every print because it didn't look like that on the back of the camera. On top of all that, consider this ... which is the more likely scenario? 1. Some professional photographer is going to show up at your lab to catch your customer in the act of copying his photos and sue the corporation for copyright infringement ... OR 2. Even though the prints the customer is trying to copy are clearly watermarked to the point of being disfigured with PROOF - COPYRIGHTED IMAGE - DO NOT COPY in 72 point type across the front ... when you tell the customer they cannot use the scanner to make copies of that print, they go ballistic, start screaming bloody murder, threatening you with mayhem ... AND YOU GET WRITTEN UP BY YOUR EMPLOYER FOR UPSETTING THE CUSTOMER! You're between a rock and a hard place as the lab operator. If the company gets sued, they're going to try to dump the whole liability in your lap because you didn't follow company policy. But if you DO follow company policy and the customer complains you get written up for not providing good customer service. YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT IT AGAIN (AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN) WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR YOUR ANNUAL REVIEW. It'll be the reasons why your job performance rating is so low that you won't get even a cost of living increase this year (or last year, or the year before ... nor any year in the future as long as you work there). It doesn't matter that your lab has 98% UP time in a district where the average is 70%. It doesn't matter that your lab is the only one in the district that's not a loss leader; that your lab actually turns a profit. It doesn't matter that you have the highest scores in the district on the customer quality survey. It doesn't matter that customers call the store to find out when YOU are working, because they don't want to go to anyone else. It doesn't matter they you have the ONLY lab that was able to fulfill ALL of your customer's orders COMPLETELY during the Christmas holidays, with NO DOWN TIME WHATSOEVER, because you planned ahead and pre-ordered the supplies so that they were on hand BEFORE the holiday rush. It doesn't matter that you're the go-to guy in the district when other lab operators have questions about how to get things done, what policies and procedures are and how to comply with them. It doesn't matter that you've got the only lab in the district with a printer that has all of the papers color balanced so that there's no detectable color difference between a 4x6, 5x7 and an 8x10 print of the same image. No, it doesn't matter. You have bad customer relation skills because you made that customer angry trying obey corporate policy regarding copyrighted materials. f...@k 'em. I don't even bother any more. As long as I don't SEE the copyright, I don't know about it. If I DO SEE the copyright, the kiosk gets accidentally unplugged ... Oops! Looks like it's broken. I don't think I can fix that ... I'll have to call Kodak and see if they can get a service tech out here this week. I dunno. Last time this happened it took 'em 5 days. And, if they're stupid enough to send scans that say Copyright 2008 - Olan Mills
Re: People Scanning Our Prints
On Wed, 13 May 2009 23:51 -0500, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Very. I guess what you do depends on how much you value that friendship. I think I'd probably chalk this up to experience and make it clear in future that copying is not on. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine That's definitely below the belt. Ask your friend to tell her father-in-law that you're unhappy about it, but would be happy to sell him some better quality prints for a reasonable price. Gently point out that he has broken the law by copying them, and ask him to return them all to you. If that gets you nowhere then there's probably not a lot else you can do unless you want to take it further on the copyright issue. Or gauge some scratches in his paintwork. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:51:54PM -0500, Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? I'm not trying to make any sort of money off my photos, and pretty much the only pay I get is people telling me when they like them. So, on one hand, I'd feel complimented that someone liked my photo well enough to go to that effort. On the other hand, part of that would depend on the quality of job that they did. It would also depend a bit on what the photo was of. My guess is that it was a picture of your friend and their spouse, or family. I also suspect that the Fa-I-L is of the snapshot mindset. That he doesn't see a lot of value in photos, above and beyond snapshots. As such he probably didn't feel that he was ripping you off, but if anything he felt that he was doing family members a favor by giving them a copy of a nice photo, and was doing you a favor by not asking you to go to the bother of making duplicate prints. -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I might be slightly annoyed, but I would pretend not to care. It's not worthing losing a friend over a print. Most people don't understand that to a serious photographer, that print is more than just a picture. We consider it personal art. But to most non-photographers, it's just a picture, same as you take yourself, only nicer and larger. Don't say anything. Be pleased that the father-in-law liked it enough to want to make copies. Actually, the more I think about it, I might be flattered if that happened to me. Paul On May 14, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in- law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I am on the paul stenquist end of this rant. Really, I believe copyleft is the way to go, generally and that the only bad thing about your case is that he may have made lousy copies of your fine print. other than that, i don't really think it is a big deal. he did so unknowing of your problems with it and out of best wishes for all sides, well, that is at least a presumption you should take unless you have some prior bad experience with this person. you could tell him that you'd be happy to give them more nice prints instead, if you would, otherwise, just forget it and feel appreciated for your art. best, luka On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:22 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I might be slightly annoyed, but I would pretend not to care. It's not worthing losing a friend over a print. Most people don't understand that to a serious photographer, that print is more than just a picture. We consider it personal art. But to most non-photographers, it's just a picture, same as you take yourself, only nicer and larger. Don't say anything. Be pleased that the father-in-law liked it enough to want to make copies. Actually, the more I think about it, I might be flattered if that happened to me. Paul On May 14, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree with Paul. Non-photographers just see a picture as a souvenir or a record of an event. Can't see what the fuss is about. They just have different priorities. I would just gently point out that if they asked nicely, they could have an original print which will be so much nicer to look at than a copy of a print. Comparing the difference might actually lead them on the way to appreciating your work more. True story. My father went back to China recently to visit an old school friend. He captured a treasured picture with my old Optio S5 I'd given him. Red eye, hard shadows against the wall, chroma noise, hotspots and all. I cleaned it up a bit and gave him a nice print. I found out just in time that he scanned the print through his MFP, printed it out on laser copy paper and was about to post it back to his friend. Didn't want to trouble me for more prints, he said. I managed to convince him I'd be happy to make as many prints as he liked. Priorities, that's all. FWIW, yes it would irk me no end. D paul stenquist wrote: I might be slightly annoyed, but I would pretend not to care. It's not worthing losing a friend over a print. Most people don't understand that to a serious photographer, that print is more than just a picture. We consider it personal art. But to most non-photographers, it's just a picture, same as you take yourself, only nicer and larger. Don't say anything. Be pleased that the father-in-law liked it enough to want to make copies. Actually, the more I think about it, I might be flattered if that happened to me. Paul On May 14, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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How did you find out about this? If it was your friend and was related to you in an indignant or apologetic way, I'd ask them to let their father-in-law know of your irked reaction. It was likely an innocent compliment to the photographer without any thought of copy rights. Not knowing the dynamics of the relationships, I'd tend to let it go. Jack --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net Subject: People Scanning Our Prints To: pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 9:51 PM Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No soup for you! (No more pictures for the friend.) Be irritated, be flattered, and let it go. Put a copywrite notice on the back of your photos. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? It's not worth the candle to get all het up about it. The person concerned (and this seems to be most folks, these days) does not even remotely understand what your concerns could be. If copying work was not meant to be, than all the copying devices that pervade our society would not be allowed to exist, would they? I have far too little life left to be bothered by these sorts of actions. If it's something that I _really_ want to keep to myself, others don't get to see it. If it gets out of my hands, the reality is that it's public domain. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm with Paul on this. Quite some time back, I came to feel that the world in general no longer assigns any value to the physical print. Probably for a variety of reasons including, ease of duplication, display techniques (web, digital frames, etc.) and the already mentioned mindset of the snapshot/memory maker. Because of that, anytime I am dealing with a paying client, I put all the money to be made into the service of producing the photo, rather than loading the cost into the prints themselves. This way, no matter what they might do about prints (none-digital file,few,lots) I have made my money. So in this case, as has already been stated, be flattered that he thought it was good enough to copy and distribute. You might want to contact him and let him know that you could provide the original digital file from which much better prints could be made. Chances are that no one who received a print will care about the quality - including the Father-In-Law. -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, May 14, 2009, 3:22:18 AM, you wrote: ps I might be slightly annoyed, but I would pretend not to care. It's not ps worthing losing a friend over a print. ps Most people don't understand that to a serious photographer, that ps print is more than just a picture. We consider it personal art. But to ps most non-photographers, it's just a picture, same as you take ps yourself, only nicer and larger. Don't say anything. Be pleased that ps the father-in-law liked it enough to want to make copies. ps Actually, the more I think about it, I might be flattered if that ps happened to me. ps Paul ps On May 14, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in- law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. ps -- ps PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List ps PDML@pdml.net ps http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net ps to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Late on the thread, and being able to read other ideas do have some advantages. I am very annoyed by this behavior. Specially when it's not a family pic and looks this is the case. Assuming you gave your friend one of your photos - the one you took because you ARE a photographer and not because he asked you or because it's his kid on the photo. I'd talk to my friend. Tell him (or her, makes no diff) that I am serious about my photos, and that's including the exact presentation, and that any repro is not ok with me, because: 1) it's MY work and I'm the one entitled to copy or not, 2) it's MY work and I'm the one in charge of the quality, 3) it's MY work and the moment I chose to present him I didn't include anyone else in the present but him. And yes, the choice IS mine, since it is MY work. Do sign you photos, date and in case of gifts, speaking for myself I'd be very honored to see it properly dedicated (assuming that's the word) to me. Because the gesture IS important, and that's a photo you gave me - not one I bought. If my something (Dad is no fool and a photographer himself), in charge of framing my gift would do some xerox, scanning or even photographing my gift to repro, I would beat him hard. Not only because it's your work, but also because it's MY gift... OTOH, it IS a cumpliment, of sorts, and that kind of behavior - copyright bypass - is deep into most minds. If they download the Mona Lisa, whyinhell not to xerox that pretty pic??? They don't do it with bad stuff - and every master gets copied sooner or later. LF Christine Aguila escreveu: Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good point on the paying client - for a lng time I was considering the pro discount in the lab just a poor compensation for the extra job of taking the order and delivering the prints. The moment our local labs started offering the same price to any customer I started delivering the negs on most jobs. About the quality, their probable inability to perceive the low quality of the repro wouldn't make it easier, since I able and wouldn't enjoy the knowledge of my work being watched as a poor repro. Signed or not, still important to me or I wouldn't care to present it. LF Bruce Dayton escreveu: I'm with Paul on this. Quite some time back, I came to feel that the world in general no longer assigns any value to the physical print. Probably for a variety of reasons including, ease of duplication, display techniques (web, digital frames, etc.) and the already mentioned mindset of the snapshot/memory maker. Because of that, anytime I am dealing with a paying client, I put all the money to be made into the service of producing the photo, rather than loading the cost into the prints themselves. This way, no matter what they might do about prints (none-digital file,few,lots) I have made my money. So in this case, as has already been stated, be flattered that he thought it was good enough to copy and distribute. You might want to contact him and let him know that you could provide the original digital file from which much better prints could be made. Chances are that no one who received a print will care about the quality - including the Father-In-Law. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sort of a follow up on this topic which may be of interest to Canadian subscribers. My understanding is that the big box store from Bentonville, the one Sam Walton started no longer honours copyrights in Canada. The lab I am in has an anything goes policy that allows the customer to scan and print whatever they like. All they have to do is click yes on the copyright ownership screen and they can print whatever they like off our machines. I presume, though can't confirm, that this is a corporate wide policy for the Canadian arm of the company. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd be irked. However, this is the kind of thing i go through.: http://www.highviewfarms.ca/clinics.html Look close at the two pictures on this one. I have emailed them but no response yet. They did buy two prints from me last December, not these, but its still gives them no right to do this. This is were is lose major sales. Dave On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: People Scanning Our Prints I'd be irked. However, this is the kind of thing i go through.: http://www.highviewfarms.ca/clinics.html Look close at the two pictures on this one. I have emailed them but no response yet. They did buy two prints from me last December, not these, but its still gives them no right to do this. This is were is lose major sales. Do we have the protection of the DMCA in Canada? If so, you can send a takedown notice to his ISP and they have to take it down. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd probably be more honored than irked. I'd talk to the f-i-l tell him that if he would have asked, I would have gotten a print or two. If you have sold copies of that image, you could tell him so. It doesn't sound like he did it to screw you. You might start putting copyrights on your images, it probably won't stop copying but you can then tell the recipient that it is illegal to do so. I don't give away my prints to anyone outside my immediate family they know how I view my photography. BTW I'm not talking about snaps or people photos. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net Subject: People Scanning Our Prints Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sad. How long did you notice, and how - if I may ask? My major problem was re-use in other formats and eternal use. One local cachaça brand used the very same photo for more than 6 years. Of course they got so offended with my contacts they never asked for another photo... just to put me in in my place, ungrateful youngster that should be grateful because my photo was being exposed all over the city... I should even pay them for the opportunity. LF William Robb escreveu: - Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: People Scanning Our Prints I'd be irked. However, this is the kind of thing i go through.: http://www.highviewfarms.ca/clinics.html Look close at the two pictures on this one. I have emailed them but no response yet. They did buy two prints from me last December, not these, but its still gives them no right to do this. This is were is lose major sales. Do we have the protection of the DMCA in Canada? If so, you can send a takedown notice to his ISP and they have to take it down. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine I think for me how I react would depend on what the print was of. If it was a family snapshot sort of thing I wouldn't worry about it. It's not something that's of saleable value to you, something you did specifically for these people, and I guess I can understand that they view it as theirs to do with what they please. I'd let it go and chalk it up to experience and never give those people another print again. ;-) If, on the other hand, it's an artful print, something that would be obviously (to them) saleable or otherwise of interest to the general population, then I would have a gentle chat with them about copyright laws and of how you gifted them that print alone, not the rights to further distribute it. Look at it as an opportunity to educate the ignorant so they don't do it again to you or anyone else. And, as others have said, if you don't have one already, get a copyright stamp and stamp the back of every photo you distribute. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 13/5/09, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? I would say that you will possibly put a friendship in jeopardy if you make a fuss. Breathe deep, gather your thoughts, learn from your experience and let it go :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, 13 May 2009 23:51:54 -0500 Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? I would be really pissed. what we need is an ink that does not impact viewing of an original but shows up in scanning. you damned thief comes to mind. ideas are not subject to copyright so some genius can run with that... Bran -- Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition.- Robert Heinlein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:07 AM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: People Scanning Our Prints I'd be irked. However, this is the kind of thing i go through.: http://www.highviewfarms.ca/clinics.html Look close at the two pictures on this one. I have emailed them but no response yet. They did buy two prints from me last December, not these, but its still gives them no right to do this. This is were is lose major sales. Do we have the protection of the DMCA in Canada? If so, you can send a takedown notice to his ISP and they have to take it down. I have the contact info now for the web designer. I'm sending them an email to see what happens. Dave William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:51:54PM -0500, Christine Aguila wrote: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. I think most likely the offense hasn't even occured to them. It's just a nice thing that they own -- not something that has meaning to you as the original artist. I think the approach to take is to explain nicely that that's not cool. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ The Definitive Pentax P-TTL Flash Model Guide: http://pttl.mattdm.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This is one of those interesting dilemmas where there is no right answer. Thinking out loud as to how I would react in the same situation... First, I would be very irked. Second, I would try to figure out why it irked me. Two thoughts come to mind. First, I would be irked because it is MY work and I am getting no credit for it. With my friend, at last I get appreciation and the knowledge that s/he will think kindly of me whenever s/he looks at the print. A poor mass reproduction on a copy machine, passed around to unknown (?) others demeans me and my work as though it were just another dime-a-dozen crude snapshot. Second, as several others have said, there is the matter of personal pride in what you do. Worse even than the recipients treating the copied prints as an anonymous snapshot would be for them to know who it came from and to think that the quality of the print was a true representation of your work. So, yes I would still be irked. Do I want to make a big deal of it? Probably not. As a variation on what others have suggested, I would probably tell my former friend why I was irked, dwelling on the quality issue as much as anything. I just do not feel comfortable knowing that people have poor quality reproductions of my work. Offer, for the cost of materials, to make good prints for others in the family as long as you can get back and destroy all of the bad prints. At the end of the conversation, an oh-by-the-way, you should tell your father-in-law that he can get in serious legal trouble making unauthorized reproductions of artwork. S/he won't get it, the father- in-law won't get it if s/he passes that on, but at least you have made the point that what they did was not only rude and thoughtless, but also illegal. Finally, again as others have suggested, I would resolve to re-ink my copyright stamp and remember to use it next time. Not that it has done Dave much good. But he deals with horse people and everyone knows what that crowd is like. stan On 13/5/09, Christine Aguila, offered up the following dilemma: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father- in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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why not make up some simple stick on address type labels and put them on the back of the photos : -- Photo Copyright 2009 John Doe No Unauthorized Reproduction -- these labels are cheap and may save some headaches in some cases. this would at least notify people that duping your prints is a no-no. JC O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom - Thomas Jefferson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I can't help but think that the ego gratification that might be derived from telling a friend that the photo they copied wasn't just a photo but valuable art probably isn't worth the cost of a friend. As photographers, we take great pride in our work and expect that others will recognize its value. But nine out of ten friends, relatives and acquaintances won't. To them, they're just snapshots, and if we make a fuss about them, we come across as silly and mean spirited. If someone copies a photo that was purchased i a gallery, get angry. If a friend copies a photo you gave them, smile and be thankful that they like the image. Paul On May 14, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: This is one of those interesting dilemmas where there is no right answer. Thinking out loud as to how I would react in the same situation... First, I would be very irked. Second, I would try to figure out why it irked me. Two thoughts come to mind. First, I would be irked because it is MY work and I am getting no credit for it. With my friend, at last I get appreciation and the knowledge that s/he will think kindly of me whenever s/he looks at the print. A poor mass reproduction on a copy machine, passed around to unknown (?) others demeans me and my work as though it were just another dime-a-dozen crude snapshot. Second, as several others have said, there is the matter of personal pride in what you do. Worse even than the recipients treating the copied prints as an anonymous snapshot would be for them to know who it came from and to think that the quality of the print was a true representation of your work. So, yes I would still be irked. Do I want to make a big deal of it? Probably not. As a variation on what others have suggested, I would probably tell my former friend why I was irked, dwelling on the quality issue as much as anything. I just do not feel comfortable knowing that people have poor quality reproductions of my work. Offer, for the cost of materials, to make good prints for others in the family as long as you can get back and destroy all of the bad prints. At the end of the conversation, an oh-by-the-way, you should tell your father-in-law that he can get in serious legal trouble making unauthorized reproductions of artwork. S/he won't get it, the father-in-law won't get it if s/he passes that on, but at least you have made the point that what they did was not only rude and thoughtless, but also illegal. Finally, again as others have suggested, I would resolve to re-ink my copyright stamp and remember to use it next time. Not that it has done Dave much good. But he deals with horse people and everyone knows what that crowd is like. stan On 13/5/09, Christine Aguila, offered up the following dilemma: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father- in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Note that I did say former friend. My recommendation accepts the fact that it may cause hard feelings. But if really irked and yet don't say anything, then you harbor a grudge and that is just as toxic. On balance, I would take a deep breath, say something about it so that it was off my chest and out of my mind, but try not to over- react. stan On May 14, 2009, at 9:21 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I can't help but think that the ego gratification that might be derived from telling a friend that the photo they copied wasn't just a photo but valuable art probably isn't worth the cost of a friend. As photographers, we take great pride in our work and expect that others will recognize its value. But nine out of ten friends, relatives and acquaintances won't. To them, they're just snapshots, and if we make a fuss about them, we come across as silly and mean spirited. If someone copies a photo that was purchased i a gallery, get angry. If a friend copies a photo you gave them, smile and be thankful that they like the image. Paul On May 14, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: This is one of those interesting dilemmas where there is no right answer. Thinking out loud as to how I would react in the same situation... First, I would be very irked. Second, I would try to figure out why it irked me. Two thoughts come to mind. First, I would be irked because it is MY work and I am getting no credit for it. With my friend, at last I get appreciation and the knowledge that s/he will think kindly of me whenever s/he looks at the print. A poor mass reproduction on a copy machine, passed around to unknown (?) others demeans me and my work as though it were just another dime-a-dozen crude snapshot. Second, as several others have said, there is the matter of personal pride in what you do. Worse even than the recipients treating the copied prints as an anonymous snapshot would be for them to know who it came from and to think that the quality of the print was a true representation of your work. So, yes I would still be irked. Do I want to make a big deal of it? Probably not. As a variation on what others have suggested, I would probably tell my former friend why I was irked, dwelling on the quality issue as much as anything. I just do not feel comfortable knowing that people have poor quality reproductions of my work. Offer, for the cost of materials, to make good prints for others in the family as long as you can get back and destroy all of the bad prints. At the end of the conversation, an oh-by-the-way, you should tell your father-in-law that he can get in serious legal trouble making unauthorized reproductions of artwork. S/he won't get it, the father-in-law won't get it if s/he passes that on, but at least you have made the point that what they did was not only rude and thoughtless, but also illegal. Finally, again as others have suggested, I would resolve to re-ink my copyright stamp and remember to use it next time. Not that it has done Dave much good. But he deals with horse people and everyone knows what that crowd is like. stan On 13/5/09, Christine Aguila, offered up the following dilemma: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father- in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Everyone: I just wanted to say thanks for the tips and comments, and I wanted everyone to know that my friendship with my friend is in absolutely no danger--we've been friends forever, we'll remain friends forever--she's just as irked as I am, and she's quite embarrassed that this has happened. I was never mad at my friend. The father-in-law, on the other hand . . . }:-/. I've come to view this as a lesson learned, and I'll just implement strategies in the future to discourage this kind of thing from happening again--all comments were helpful--and they are much appreciated. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: People Scanning Our Prints
Christine Aguila wrote: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? I'd be very irked. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: People Scanning Our Prints
Usually, when I give my pictures away (I almost always do this) I specifically ask not to make reproductions. But I'd be irked or should I say infuriated in your situation. On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Thanks in advance. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: People Scanning Our Prints
- Original Message - From: Christine Aguila Subject: People Scanning Our Prints Hi Everyone: I'd very much like to know everyone's views about something that has just happened to me; here's the story: I gave a nice print--as a gift--to a friend. My friend's father-in-law took the print to get it framed, and come to find out, he also made some scans of the print and gave them to family members. I'm just going to come out and say it--I'm really irked by this. I often sign my prints in the lower right hand edge, but I didn't on this print. How irked would you guys be? What, if anything, would you guys do or say? Take the high road. Accept that you have made a gift of prints to family members. Get in touch with the family members who have been gifted with your work and see if they would like signed, orignal prints instead of scans. In future, be more discerning about who you give pictures to. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
