Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
I am sorry that you had a bad experience. Google or any other on line translator is better than nothing, but the translations are sometimes pretty odd themselves. Dave --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 9:10 PM No Dave, his previous ads did not mention anything about paper stickers, which is why PayPal refunded my money. He actually ran several auctions previous to the one that I bid on, with authentic rare tins, but they were always won by his friend... It was classic bait and switch. My point was, now he's being honest, after a few other problems with different buyers. He totally lost his eBay account because of fraud and now he is back, with a new name. Same stuff, but at least he's describing it honestly. I have bought a number of things from Germany and generally understand the German listings - if not, I always run them through Google translator. Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:54:58 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller Well, he's is quite clear about it this time. The ad in German explains how the tins are partially filled and covered with paper stickers. Perhaps his other ad was clear in German and you did not understand? Dave --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 7:43 PM Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if I read his long description, I would see that he said keine originale somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means not, which I learned. I looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I see keine and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected nothing. Since I used PayPal, howev er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but the description says not original in several languages and in large print in the title, so maybe it worked on him... New listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150532842241ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
You are right about the translations... Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 04:27:51 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller I am sorry that you had a bad experience. Google or any other on line translator is better than nothing, but the translations are sometimes pretty odd themselves. Dave --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 9:10 PM No Dave, his previous ads did not mention anything about paper stickers, which is why PayPal refunded my money. He actually ran several auctions previous to the one that I bid on, with authentic rare tins, but they were always won by his friend... It was classic bait and switch. My point was, now he's being honest, after a few other problems with different buyers. He totally lost his eBay account because of fraud and now he is back, with a new name. Same stuff, but at least he's describing it honestly. I have bought a number of things from Germany and generally understand the German listings - if not, I always run them through Google translator. Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:54:58 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller Well, he's is quite clear about it this time. The ad in German explains how the tins are partially filled and covered with paper stickers. Perhaps his other ad was clear in German and you did not understand? Dave --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 7:43 PM Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if I read his long description, I would see that he said keine originale somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means not, which I learned. I looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I see keine and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected nothing. Since I used PayPal, howev er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but the description says not original in several languages and in large print in the title, so maybe it worked on him... New listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150532842241ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
Well, he's is quite clear about it this time. The ad in German explains how the tins are partially filled and covered with paper stickers. Perhaps his other ad was clear in German and you did not understand? Dave --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 7:43 PM Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if I read his long description, I would see that he said keine originale somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means not, which I learned. I looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I see keine and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected nothing. Since I used PayPal, howev er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but the description says not original in several languages and in large print in the title, so maybe it worked on him... New listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150532842241ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
No Dave, his previous ads did not mention anything about paper stickers, which is why PayPal refunded my money. He actually ran several auctions previous to the one that I bid on, with authentic rare tins, but they were always won by his friend... It was classic bait and switch. My point was, now he's being honest, after a few other problems with different buyers. He totally lost his eBay account because of fraud and now he is back, with a new name. Same stuff, but at least he's describing it honestly. I have bought a number of things from Germany and generally understand the German listings - if not, I always run them through Google translator. Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:54:58 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller Well, he's is quite clear about it this time. The ad in German explains how the tins are partially filled and covered with paper stickers. Perhaps his other ad was clear in German and you did not understand? Dave --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 7:43 PM Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if I read his long description, I would see that he said keine originale somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means not, which I learned. I looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I see keine and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected nothing. Since I used PayPal, howev er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but the description says not original in several languages and in large print in the title, so maybe it worked on him... New listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150532842241ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if I read his long description, I would see that he said keine originale somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means not, which I learned. I looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I see keine and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected nothing. Since I used PayPal, howev er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but the description says not original in several languages and in large print in the title, so maybe it worked on him... New listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150532842241ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
