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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Pico

2022-12-31 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users


Hi,


So who is stepping forward to volunteer :-D



Not holding my breath...

Wolfgang

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Pico

2022-12-31 Thread Peter Graf via Ql-Users

Hi Graeme,

> A C implementation of SuperBasic would be useful to some people it seems.
> 
> But as Peter says it would not be SMSq/e based!
> 
> So who is stepping forward to volunteer :-D

This one looks similar:

https://github.com/paladin-t/my_basic

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Pico

2022-12-31 Thread Graeme Gregory via Ql-Users




On Sat, 31 Dec 2022, at 1:14 PM, Peter Graf via Ql-Users wrote:
> Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote:
>> Short answer:
>> 
>> "Could" it be ported? Yes.
>
> But not in a sense that it could run any existing SMSQ/E executables.
> Just BASIC programs would run. A port would be a rewrite of SMSQ/E in
> ARM assembler instead of 68K assembler.
>
A C implementation of SuperBasic would be useful to some people it seems.

But as Peter says it would not be SMSq/e based!

So who is stepping forward to volunteer :-D

Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Pico

2022-12-31 Thread Peter Graf via Ql-Users

Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote:
> Short answer:
> 
> "Could" it be ported? Yes.

But not in a sense that it could run any existing SMSQ/E executables.
Just BASIC programs would run. A port would be a rewrite of SMSQ/E in
ARM assembler instead of 68K assembler.

Derek via Ql-Users wrote:
> It would be easier to port Linux to the Pico and compile sQLux...

It is a small microcontroller without MMU and insufficient RAM. Not even
a Linux port is possible. Has nothing in common with the normal
Raspberry Pi, except the name.

All the best
Peter
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Pico

2022-12-31 Thread Klaus-Peter Greiner via Ql-Users

I have luckily running SMSQmulator under Java on my Raspberry Pi Linux. 
But I guess the Raspberry pi pico has no SD card? - Try the project 
www.digikey.de/en/maker/projects/raspberry-pi-pico-rp2040-sd-card-example-with-micropython-and-cc/e472c7f578734bfd96d437e68e670050

regards
Klaus-Peter Greiner



Am 31.12.22 um 10:29 schrieb Simon Balderson via Ql-Users

> Has anyone seen or used a Raspberry Pi Pico?  It’s an incredibly cheap and 
> versatile microcontroller and a version of BASIC has already been ported to 
> it.  That version is based on Microsoft’s GW-BASIC.  See the Geoff’s Project 
> website, the link is below.
> 
> PicoMite
> 
> Could SuperBasic or SMSQ/E be ported to it?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Pico

2022-12-31 Thread Derek via Ql-Users


It would be easier to port Linux to the Pico and compile sQLux...

Regards,
Derek

On 31/12/2022 10:08, Sba1derson via Ql-Users wrote:

Good to see it's feasible but like you say, who would undertake it. Not me, I 
wouldn't know where to start 

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 Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote 


Hi,

Short answer:

"Could" it be ported? Yes.
"Will" it be ported? No...

(I mean, who would undertake such a task?)

Regards

Wolfgang

On 31/12/2022 10:28, Simon Balderson via Ql-Users wrote:

Has anyone seen or used a Raspberry Pi Pico?  It’s an incredibly cheap and 
versatile microcontroller and a version of BASIC has already been ported to it. 
 That version is based on Microsoft’s GW-BASIC.  See the Geoff’s Project 
website, the link is below.

PicoMite

Could SuperBasic or SMSQ/E be ported to it?



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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Pico

2022-12-31 Thread Sba1derson via Ql-Users

Good to see it's feasible but like you say, who would undertake it. Not me, I 
wouldn't know where to start 

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 Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users wrote 

>Hi,
>
>Short answer:
>
>"Could" it be ported? Yes.
>"Will" it be ported? No...
>
>(I mean, who would undertake such a task?)
>
>Regards
>
>Wolfgang
>
>On 31/12/2022 10:28, Simon Balderson via Ql-Users wrote:
>> Has anyone seen or used a Raspberry Pi Pico?  It’s an incredibly cheap and 
>> versatile microcontroller and a version of BASIC has already been ported to 
>> it.  That version is based on Microsoft’s GW-BASIC.  See the Geoff’s Project 
>> website, the link is below.
>> 
>> PicoMite
>> 
>> Could SuperBasic or SMSQ/E be ported to it?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Pico

2022-12-31 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz via Ql-Users


Hi,

Short answer:

"Could" it be ported? Yes.
"Will" it be ported? No...

(I mean, who would undertake such a task?)

Regards

Wolfgang

On 31/12/2022 10:28, Simon Balderson via Ql-Users wrote:

Has anyone seen or used a Raspberry Pi Pico?  It’s an incredibly cheap and 
versatile microcontroller and a version of BASIC has already been ported to it. 
 That version is based on Microsoft’s GW-BASIC.  See the Geoff’s Project 
website, the link is below.

PicoMite

Could SuperBasic or SMSQ/E be ported to it?



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[Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Pico

2022-12-31 Thread Simon Balderson via Ql-Users

Has anyone seen or used a Raspberry Pi Pico?  It’s an incredibly cheap and 
versatile microcontroller and a version of BASIC has already been ported to it. 
 That version is based on Microsoft’s GW-BASIC.  See the Geoff’s Project 
website, the link is below.

PicoMite

Could SuperBasic or SMSQ/E be ported to it?



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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

2012-10-17 Thread Norman Dunbar


On 16/10/12 22:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote:


If it is 256MB, then you have the 'Model A'.

Now that would be difficult as there is no Model A on sale yet. ;-)
It's definitely a Model B - it has USB (2) and Ethernet. Neither of 
which, the A has.



Also, as the SD Card is the OS source at present, then we can experiment
with different flavours of OS on different Cards.
Indeed. I recently purchased a couple of 8GB SD cards at Costco for £4 
each. (Inc VAT.)



Then we will be adding larger storage USB Hard drives, etc, and I guess
we will have multiple boot options.
Mine is running with an 8 Gb Sd card, a 60 Gb USB drive, another 500 Gb 
USB drive partitioned as a 350 Gb Ext 3 and a 150 Gb FAT32 partition 
plus a USB Floppy. ;-)


Talking of floppies, I noticed a lot of my old QL floppies (DD, HD, 
different manufacturers) are now stuck or extremely stiff. Does anyone 
have a working (and data safe) method of freeing up the internals to 
make the discs readable again? (Not the drives, the floppies themselves).


What's the point of having two boxes of backups if the damned things 
don't turn in the drive. Sigh!



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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

2012-10-17 Thread Norman Dunbar


On 17/10/12 09:33, Norman Dunbar wrote:

It's definitely a Model B - it has USB (2) and Ethernet. Neither of
which, the A has.

Except, of course, the A has a single USB port.

And, if you are interested, they are now made in Wales - if you buy from 
Farnell/Element 14. RS are still manufacturing in China.



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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

2012-10-17 Thread John Alexander

Chances are you no longer have backups as the data as probably fell 
off(Demagnetised) well before they even ceased up!

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Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM
To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:33

On 16/10/12 22:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote:

 If it is 256MB, then you have the 'Model A'.
Now that would be difficult as there is no Model A on sale yet. ;-)
It's definitely a Model B - it has USB (2) and Ethernet. Neither of which, the 
A has.

 Also, as the SD Card is the OS source at present, then we can experiment
 with different flavours of OS on different Cards.
Indeed. I recently purchased a couple of 8GB SD cards at Costco for £4 each. 
(Inc VAT.)

 Then we will be adding larger storage USB Hard drives, etc, and I guess
 we will have multiple boot options.
Mine is running with an 8 Gb Sd card, a 60 Gb USB drive, another 500 Gb USB 
drive partitioned as a 350 Gb Ext 3 and a 150 Gb FAT32 partition plus a USB 
Floppy. ;-)

Talking of floppies, I noticed a lot of my old QL floppies (DD, HD, different 
manufacturers) are now stuck or extremely stiff. Does anyone have a working 
(and data safe) method of freeing up the internals to make the discs readable 
again? (Not the drives, the floppies themselves).

What's the point of having two boxes of backups if the damned things don't turn 
in the drive. Sigh!

Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

2012-10-17 Thread Norman Dunbar


On 17/10/12 14:27, John Alexander wrote:


Chances are you no longer have backups as the data as probably fell 
off(Demagnetised) well before they even ceased up!


This is true, however, a number of the floppies in the drive (some 
older, some newer than some of the affected ones) still work and still 
have the data. At least, I can read them.


I also checked the bottom of the boxes, and I can't see any data that 
has fallen off. of course, it could have fallen inside the floppy case 
itself, in which case it wouldn't be on the bottom of the boxes.


I also shook one of the affcted ones to see if it rattled with bits of 
loose data, no sound at all.


:-) :-) :-)


Cheers,
Norm.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

2012-10-17 Thread John Alexander

I'm working away and typically after ordering a couple of Pis from CPC I get a 
very belated email from RS saying that they are shipping my order.. does any 
one know if this batch from RS is 512MB as well or are they behind on this one 
as well as everything else!?

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Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM
To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:35

On 17/10/12 09:33, Norman Dunbar wrote:
 It's definitely a Model B - it has USB (2) and Ethernet. Neither of
 which, the A has.
Except, of course, the A has a single USB port.

And, if you are interested, they are now made in Wales - if you buy from 
Farnell/Element 14. RS are still manufacturing in China.

Cheers,
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

2012-10-17 Thread Dave Walker

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 From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-
 boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of John Alexander
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 I'm working away and typically after ordering a couple of Pis from CPC
 I get a very belated email from RS saying that they are shipping my
 order.. does any one know if this batch from RS is 512MB as well or are
 they behind on this one as well as everything else!?

According to the Raspberry Pi web site, all Pi's that shipped from Monday
onwards should be the 512MB model regardless of who it comes from.  Of
course the only real test is when it arrives!

Dave Walker

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 To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
 Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:35

 On 17/10/12 09:33, Norman Dunbar wrote:
  It's definitely a Model B - it has USB (2) and Ethernet. Neither of
  which, the A has.
 Except, of course, the A has a single USB port.

 And, if you are interested, they are now made in Wales - if you buy
 from Farnell/Element 14. RS are still manufacturing in China.

 Cheers,
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

2012-10-16 Thread Malcolm Cadman

In message 
59A6E99FBFBACC43AF19617ACDC7DBA95128A866@BXCEXCH01.boxclever.local, 
Neil Riley neil.ri...@boxclever.co.uk writes


Hi Norman,

If it is 256MB, then you have the 'Model A'.

Then again, the 'restriction' of one Pi per person has now been lifted.

So, you can now have as many as you like .

Also, as the SD Card is the OS source at present, then we can experiment 
with different flavours of OS on different Cards.


Then we will be adding larger storage USB Hard drives, etc, and I guess 
we will have multiple boot options.


Umm ... reminds me of doing all of that sort of thing with the original 
BBC Model and Sideways ROM boards and 5 1/4 disk drive for the software 
boot ... :-)




Great, I now own a Model B- or is it a Model A+ ?

Either way, I've been punished for being an early bird  :(



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Subject: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180

If you don't have your Pi yet, when it arrives, you'll have twice as 
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Cheers,
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

2012-10-16 Thread Dave Walker

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 Neil Riley neil.ri...@boxclever.co.uk writes

 Hi Norman,

 If it is 256MB, then you have the 'Model A'.

No - it will be the 'original' Model B as opposed to the 'new' Model B.  The
Model A (model with no Ethernet and only one USB port) has not yet started
shipping although that is still expected to happen before Christmas.   It is
still expected to have 256MB of RAM rather than 512MB although I guess that
is subject to change depending on the price of RAM chips.

 Then again, the 'restriction' of one Pi per person has now been lifted.

 So, you can now have as many as you like .

That restriction has been lifted for some time (since early July).That
is one reason that there are now lots of 3rd party dealers supplying the Pi
as they can now get bulk supplies.

Dave Walker

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 Also, as the SD Card is the OS source at present, then we can
 experiment with different flavours of OS on different Cards.

 Then we will be adding larger storage USB Hard drives, etc, and I guess
 we will have multiple boot options.

 Umm ... reminds me of doing all of that sort of thing with the original
 BBC Model and Sideways ROM boards and 5 1/4 disk drive for the
 software boot ... :-)

 Great, I now own a Model B- or is it a Model A+ ?

 Either way, I've been punished for being an early bird  :(

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[Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

2012-10-15 Thread Norman Dunbar


http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180

If you don't have your Pi yet, when it arrives, you'll have twice as 
much RAM as I do. Enjoy!


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

2012-10-15 Thread Neil Riley

Great, I now own a Model B- or is it a Model A+ ?

Either way, I've been punished for being an early bird  :(



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http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

2012-10-15 Thread Norman Dunbar


On 15/10/12 14:17, Neil Riley wrote:

Great, I now own a Model B- or is it a Model A+ ?

Model B. Same as the new Model B!


Either way, I've been punished for being an early bird  :(
Nah, you and I both got what we ordered. A Model B with 256 MB RAM. No 
worries here!


I had a similar problem with my ZX-81, it came down in price after I 
bought mine. Then my Specrtum 16 Kb did the same, and interface 1!


Then I paid for my QL, after the price came down - yippee - my colleague 
bought one a week later and got a free Serial 8026 (I think) printer 
with his.


Life goes on. Enjoy your Pi and remember, us early adopters knew what 
was likely to happen.


And finally, consider this - 256MB RAM upgrade for free with a Pi, how 
much for a few measly MB with an Apple? And for how much? ;-)


Cheers,
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - Model B - 512 MB RAM

2012-10-15 Thread Norman Dunbar


56 Hi Neil,

 Well, no, it's a B- or an A+, the A has 128Mb and the New B has 512Mb 
which leaves us with a 256Mb model.


I'll call it the Model B256 then. As opposed to the Model B.

You are aware that the Model A will be coming with 256 MB? That was 
announced months ago. Same priced chip - 128 MB or 256 Mb for the same 
cost? No brainer that!




Yes, progress and all that but still, call it Model C and drop the price of the 
Model B by a fiver, don't just change the
Spec of an existing Model. If they'd done the that I wouldn't feel a little 
cheated like...what... I do!


It appears that the RAM chip is 512 Mb, and won't get any bigger, ever. 
That's the limit. The reason for the upgrade is that the 512 Mb chip is 
the same price as the 256 Mb chip. So no change in price.


But, I'll bet there will be plenty of Model B256 Pis appearing on Ebay 
any second now 



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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi gets Turbo mode!

2012-09-20 Thread Adrian Ives


I think those last two sudo commands (steps 3  4) should be:

sudo raspi-config


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On 19/09/2012 15:37, Norman Dunbar wrote:
 On 19/09/12 14:03, Norman Dunbar wrote:
 
 sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get upgrade
 Actually, that should have been the following:
 
 1. sudo apt-get update
 2. sudo apt-get upgrade
 3. sudo raspi-update
 
 select the update option which updated raspi-config and exits.
 
 4. sudo raspi-update
 
 select the new configure overclocking option and choose one.
 select finish.
 select yes to reboot now.
 
 On reboot, your Raspberry Pi will be running [much] faster and, if it
 gets too hot, will slip back to normal non-turbo mode automagically.
 
 
 Cheers,
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[Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi WiFi Update

2012-09-20 Thread Adrian Ives


As well as the overclocking mentioned previously, the latest Raspbian
build also supports WiFi out of the box (for adapters using the
RTL8188CUS chipset).

Go here for the full story:

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008

And here for details on how to update the previous Raspbian Wheezy build:

http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66t=17788p=176847


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi gets Turbo mode!

2012-09-20 Thread Norman Dunbar


Morning Adrian,

On 20/09/12 07:58, Adrian Ives wrote:


I think those last two sudo commands (steps 3  4) should be:

I think you are 100% correct! Thank you.

Anyway, they are correct over here at 
http://qdosmsq.dunbar-it.co.uk/blog/2012/09/give-your-raspberry-pi-turbo-mode/



Cheers,
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[Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi gets Turbo mode!

2012-09-19 Thread Norman Dunbar


Overclocking and overvolting without voiding your warranty!

Details at http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008

sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get upgrade



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[Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-09-07 Thread Bryan Horstmann

Sony are now making R-pi in the UK, and the foundation estimate possibly 
one million  shipped in 2012.  It is inconceivable to me that there 
won't be a rub-of for QUANTA.  It would be nice to demonstrate a set-up 
which just brought up QL quickly on switching on, as the QL did, 
providing programming straight away, or the Xchange suite if needed.  No 
need for it to be a QL look-alike.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/raspberry_pi

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-09-07 Thread Norman Dunbar


Hi Bryan,


On 07/09/12 15:32, Bryan Horstmann wrote:

It would be nice to demonstrate a set-up
which just brought up QL quickly on switching on, as the QL did,
providing programming straight away, or the Xchange suite if needed.  No
need for it to be a QL look-alike.


Login to your pi as the pi user, for example. Then create/edit a file in 
your $HOME directory, named .xsession - leading dot and all lower case.


Add the following:

#!/usr/bin/sh
/usr/local/bin/qm 

Save and exit.

You can of course, replace qm with qx, qxx or qxxx to run Uqlx on login, 
or indeed, any other GUI type program can be started in the same file. 
Just add it's name into the file with a trailing ampersand to make it a 
batch job.


Make it executable:

chmod 755 ./xsession

This causes Uqlx (the qm version) to be run whenever you connect with a 
GUI session.


This works when you login as the pi user directly and the Pi is 
connected to the HDMI/TV or when you login to the pi user via a VNC 
session. (Which is what I tend to do.)


It only affects logins to a GUI and as the pi user. If you have more 
users set up and you want them to run something on login to a GUI, then 
instead of creating the same file in everyone's $HOME, create it in 
/etc/X11/Xsession.d and call it startup instead.


Well, that's the theory at least, I haven't tried the latter version myself.


HTH

Cheers,
Norm.



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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-09-07 Thread Norman Dunbar

PS. If you are running a vncserver, you have to stop it first, make 
changes to .xsession, restart it and log back in to the GUI.


It seems that the user's .xsession gets loaded at startup of the VNC 
Server daemon.



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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-09-07 Thread Tony Firshman


Norman Dunbar wrote, on 7/Sep/12 16:10 | Sep7:

Hi Bryan,


On 07/09/12 15:32, Bryan Horstmann wrote:

It would be nice to demonstrate a set-up
which just brought up QL quickly on switching on, as the QL did,
providing programming straight away, or the Xchange suite if needed.  No
need for it to be a QL look-alike.


Login to your pi as the pi user, for example. Then create/edit a file in
your $HOME directory, named .xsession - leading dot and all lower case.

Add the following:

#!/usr/bin/sh
/usr/local/bin/qm 

Save and exit.

You can of course, replace qm with qx, qxx or qxxx to run Uqlx on login,
or indeed, any other GUI type program can be started in the same file.
Just add it's name into the file with a trailing ampersand to make it a
batch job.

Make it executable:

chmod 755 ./xsession

This causes Uqlx (the qm version) to be run whenever you connect with a
GUI session.

This works when you login as the pi user directly and the Pi is
connected to the HDMI/TV or when you login to the pi user via a VNC
session. (Which is what I tend to do.)


... and that user name caused me a few hassles when I set up mine.
The first thing I did was get rid of that user, and make a 'tony'.
However a number of suggestions on setting up had 'pi' in the command 
line and I didn't twig what that was first time!


Any instructions, especially command line quotes, should put user when 
they have pi there!

It only affects logins to a GUI and as the pi user. If you have more
users set up and you want them to run something on login to a GUI, then
instead of creating the same file in everyone's $HOME, create it in
/etc/X11/Xsession.d and call it startup instead.

Well, that's the theory at least, I haven't tried the latter version
myself.

I really must find time to play QL on my pi (8-)#

Also a number of hardware mods are hinted at in the UK production.
One definitely is removing the three pcb fuses (F1/2/3).

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-07-17 Thread Norman Dunbar


Morning John,

On 16/07/12 22:23, QL-MyLink (f/fh) wrote:

Thanks Norman for helping a lazy bloke into the Raspberry Pi websites!

No worries. Have you got one yet?


I've just spent more time in there than certain persons have recently
wasted
in QJewels ;)

That would be Dilwyn in Wales then! ;-)


Read all the MagPi magazines.  Fascinating and informative.
They are not bad for a freebie. We shall see how it progresses. These 
things tend to start off well, and then fade a bit/lot after a while as 
people gravitate away from bothering to write stuff.


It's got a good layout though, graphic heavy a bit I think, but has a 
good professional commercial magazine look to it.


Cheers,
Norm

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-07-16 Thread Norman Dunbar

http://themagpi.com/ is a website for a pdf Raspberry Pi magazine. Now 
at issue 3. Back issues are available.


Cheers,
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-07-16 Thread QL-MyLink (f/fh)


Thanks Norman for helping a lazy bloke into the Raspberry Pi websites!

I've just spent more time in there than certain persons have recently wasted
in QJewels ;)

Read all the MagPi magazines.  Fascinating and informative.

John in Wales 


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-07-05 Thread Phil Kett

For those of you messing with the Raspberry Pi who are new to Linux, the 
current issue of PC Format has a 16 page Linux 4 Noons [sic] feature.


I'm a linux admin by trade and it looks like it should be pretty good 
for a beginner.


Phil


On 04/07/2012 11:40, Martin Wheatley wrote:
The new edition of Micro Mart  (#1216) contains an 8 page article 
called 'Raspberry Pi Starter Guide'

May be of interest to some

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[Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-07-04 Thread Martin Wheatley

The new edition of Micro Mart  (#1216) contains an 8 page article called 
'Raspberry Pi Starter Guide'

May be of interest to some

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Alternative

2012-06-30 Thread John Alexander

I have heard the opposite from other sources, but I think that any company who 
has so many distributors who also call them selves Olimexsomething or other 
will attract the stench of any bad distributors.

For me it's nice to see so many embedded linux boards coming through at 
reasonable price but in practice the 64 MB of RAM and a few other things will 
make this an evolutionary backwater with the RPi finally coming through(slowly) 
. If you are in the business of getting an emulator working then get it working 
on one platform then move on from there not flutter about and get nothing 
working entirely satisfactory.

The Olimex could be useful for some embedded apps though!

John

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From: Dave Park plasticu...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Alternative
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Friday, 29 June, 2012, 16:45

This is a Bulgarian company that has, shall we say, very poor customer
relations?

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:54 AM, SIMON BALDERSON
s.balder...@btinternet.com wrote:





 Just seen this in Everyday Practical Electronics July issue.  It's an 
 ARM-based product that's fully open source and runs Linux.  Would a QL 
 emulator work on this?

 http://www.olimex.com/dev/
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[Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Book

2012-06-30 Thread Norman Dunbar

It's not even out yet, but is already the best selling book in Computers 
and number 56 in all books on Amazon.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/111846446X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8camp=1634creative=19450creativeASIN=111846446XlinkCode=as2tag=gastronomydom-21

Using the above link will cause Amazon to pay additional money to the 
Raspberry Pi Foundation - which is a charity.


You can read a bit about the book here 
http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1498



Cheers,
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Book

2012-06-30 Thread Norman Dunbar


On 30/06/12 10:27, Norman Dunbar wrote:

It's not even out yet, but is already the best selling book in Computers
and number 56 in all books on Amazon.


And now, it's up to number 17 in all books!

Cheers,
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[Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Alternative

2012-06-29 Thread SIMON BALDERSON






Just seen this in Everyday Practical Electronics July issue.  It's an ARM-based 
product that's fully open source and runs Linux.  Would a QL emulator work on 
this?
 
http://www.olimex.com/dev/
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Alternative

2012-06-29 Thread Dave Park

This is a Bulgarian company that has, shall we say, very poor customer
relations?

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:54 AM, SIMON BALDERSON
s.balder...@btinternet.com wrote:





 Just seen this in Everyday Practical Electronics July issue.  It's an 
 ARM-based product that's fully open source and runs Linux.  Would a QL 
 emulator work on this?

 http://www.olimex.com/dev/
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[Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Cases

2012-06-10 Thread John Alexander

OK guys I see that a few of you have the Raspberry Pi. You may be interested in
giving it some new clothes!!

I have a rather nice Acrylic case on sale now on Ebay here:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Laser-Cut-Acrylic-case-Raspberry-Pi-/251078653815?pt=UK_Computing_Case_Accessories_Tool_Kitshash=item3a75743777

Hope that's of interest to some people.. Also how's the QL emulator getting on ?


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

2012-06-02 Thread John Alexander

Depends on your contract but generally yes.

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Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Friday, 1 June, 2012, 14:37

John Alexander wrote, on 1/Jun/12 11:42 | Jun1:

 The problem with just the Domain name thing is that you then need to support 
 the server
 so :

 a) you need a server
 b) need to power maintain and maintain security  on etc etc
 c) need to host it if that's what you are doing
 d or home host  which is strictly speaking against your service agreement
What is 'home host'?
Are you saying that hosting a website at home is against your ISP broadband 
contract?

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

2012-06-01 Thread John Alexander


The problem with just the Domain name thing is that you then need to support 
the server
so :

a) you need a server 
b) need to power maintain and maintain security  on etc etc
c) need to host it if that's what you are doing
d or home host  which is strictly speaking against your service agreement


Obviously how much of the Alphabet you use depends on your selections, still a 
PITA though.

John
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From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 30 May, 2012, 15:06

 That's what I do. When I give a company an email, I give
 company.n...@mydomain.com- it's very quick and easy to work out who is
 selling email addresses. All mail to *@mydomain.com lands in a single
 box ;)
 
 Dave
Back in the days of snail-mail, it was fairly easy to trace who put me on which 
mailing lists because I have a Welsh name and (then) an even more Welsh 
address. Companies used to mis-spell the name or address in every way 
imaginable (plus a few more besides) and those same mistakes would turn up in 
junk mailings, revealing (often surprisingly) which of many everyday businesses 
used to do this.

I suppose this is same principle - putting variations in the email addresses 
you use to back-trace where it got onto mailing lists in the first place.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

2012-06-01 Thread Tony Firshman


John Alexander wrote, on 1/Jun/12 11:42 | Jun1:


The problem with just the Domain name thing is that you then need to support 
the server
so :

a) you need a server
b) need to power maintain and maintain security  on etc etc
c) need to host it if that's what you are doing
d or home host  which is strictly speaking against your service agreement

What is 'home host'?
Are you saying that hosting a website at home is against your ISP 
broadband contract?



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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

2012-05-30 Thread Neil Riley

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I was going to put mine down then it asked for a confirmation email...Nice 
try i wonder what they send you after you have clicked  

In my case, absolutely nothing
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

2012-05-30 Thread Dilwyn Jones

I was going to put mine down then it asked for a confirmation 
email...Nice try i

wonder what they send you after you have clicked 



In my case, absolutely nothing
Neil
Some do, some don't. Most sites force you to enter an email address for 
validation to prevent automated spamming and possibly malicious intent 
(someone signing you up to something without your knowledge - stops me 
signing up every QL user I know to QL Forum and this list without their 
knowledge, for example).


Must admit, if a site I don't know wants an email address from me, I usually 
avoid it if I'm unsure.


That said, there are some temporary (short-lived) email address services 
you can use just for signing up to websites like this to avoid using your 
regular email address - once the short-life email address dies after 
you've had long enough to sign up and respond to a validation email address, 
they can't spam your regular email address if you are unsure about a site.


I suppose it pays to have an extra email address you can use just for 
purposes like this, to control spam etc. That way, once you are satisfied 
the website is bona fide, they will let you alter your email address later 
to your regular email address if you wish. I'd probably go as far as to say 
that unless you are 100% happy with a site, NEVER use your regular email 
address to sign up to anything.


Dilwyn Jones 


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

2012-05-30 Thread Bryan Horstmann




On 30/05/2012 12:07, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
I was going to put mine down then it asked for a confirmation 
email...Nice try i

wonder what they send you after you have clicked 



In my case, absolutely nothing
Neil
Some do, some don't. Most sites force you to enter an email address 
for validation to prevent automated spamming and possibly malicious 
intent (someone signing you up to something without your knowledge - 
stops me signing up every QL user I know to QL Forum and this list 
without their knowledge, for example).


Must admit, if a site I don't know wants an email address from me, I 
usually avoid it if I'm unsure.


That said, there are some temporary (short-lived) email address 
services you can use just for signing up to websites like this to 
avoid using your regular email address - once the short-life email 
address dies after you've had long enough to sign up and respond to a 
validation email address, they can't spam your regular email address 
if you are unsure about a site.


I suppose it pays to have an extra email address you can use just for 
purposes like this, to control spam etc. That way, once you are 
satisfied the website is bona fide, they will let you alter your email 
address later to your regular email address if you wish. I'd probably 
go as far as to say that unless you are 100% happy with a site, NEVER 
use your regular email address to sign up to anything.


Dilwyn Jones

My son-in-law is in the computer industry and I was discussing the 
source of spam, and he has given me, on his own domain, ten email 
addresses which he can change as needed.  You plant one when you are 
asked to respond with a contact, and if it goes further, you know who to 
blame.  Works a treat to have email addresses under one's own control 
independent of service ;provider.  He recommends having one's own domain 
which only costs about £5 pa.


Bryan H
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

2012-05-30 Thread Dave Park

That's what I do. When I give a company an email, I give
company.n...@mydomain.com- it's very quick and easy to work out who is
selling email addresses. All mail to *@mydomain.com lands in a single
box ;)

Dave

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org wrote:


 On 30/05/2012 12:07, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 I was going to put mine down then it asked for a confirmation
 email...Nice try i
 wonder what they send you after you have clicked 



 In my case, absolutely nothing
 Neil

 Some do, some don't. Most sites force you to enter an email address for
 validation to prevent automated spamming and possibly malicious intent
 (someone signing you up to something without your knowledge - stops me
 signing up every QL user I know to QL Forum and this list without their
 knowledge, for example).

 Must admit, if a site I don't know wants an email address from me, I
 usually avoid it if I'm unsure.

 That said, there are some temporary (short-lived) email address services
 you can use just for signing up to websites like this to avoid using your
 regular email address - once the short-life email address dies after
 you've had long enough to sign up and respond to a validation email address,
 they can't spam your regular email address if you are unsure about a site.

 I suppose it pays to have an extra email address you can use just for
 purposes like this, to control spam etc. That way, once you are satisfied
 the website is bona fide, they will let you alter your email address later
 to your regular email address if you wish. I'd probably go as far as to say
 that unless you are 100% happy with a site, NEVER use your regular email
 address to sign up to anything.

 Dilwyn Jones

 My son-in-law is in the computer industry and I was discussing the source of
 spam, and he has given me, on his own domain, ten email addresses which he
 can change as needed.  You plant one when you are asked to respond with a
 contact, and if it goes further, you know who to blame.  Works a treat to
 have email addresses under one's own control independent of service
 ;provider.  He recommends having one's own domain which only costs about £5
 pa.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

2012-05-30 Thread Tony Firshman


Bryan Horstmann wrote, on 30/May/12 13:27 | May30:



On 30/05/2012 12:07, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

I was going to put mine down then it asked for a confirmation
email...Nice try i
wonder what they send you after you have clicked 



In my case, absolutely nothing
Neil

Some do, some don't. Most sites force you to enter an email address
for validation to prevent automated spamming and possibly malicious
intent (someone signing you up to something without your knowledge -
stops me signing up every QL user I know to QL Forum and this list
without their knowledge, for example).

Must admit, if a site I don't know wants an email address from me, I
usually avoid it if I'm unsure.

That said, there are some temporary (short-lived) email address
services you can use just for signing up to websites like this to
avoid using your regular email address - once the short-life email
address dies after you've had long enough to sign up and respond to a
validation email address, they can't spam your regular email address
if you are unsure about a site.

I suppose it pays to have an extra email address you can use just for
purposes like this, to control spam etc. That way, once you are
satisfied the website is bona fide, they will let you alter your email
address later to your regular email address if you wish. I'd probably
go as far as to say that unless you are 100% happy with a site, NEVER
use your regular email address to sign up to anything.

Dilwyn Jones


My son-in-law is in the computer industry and I was discussing the
source of spam, and he has given me, on his own domain, ten email
addresses which he can change as needed. You plant one when you are
asked to respond with a contact, and if it goes further, you know who to
blame. Works a treat to have email addresses under one's own control
independent of service ;provider. He recommends having one's own domain
which only costs about £5 pa.


£3 with most including the superb gandi.net.

Don't sign up though for web hosting unless you really have nowhere you 
can host it. Hosting is how they make most money!  If you have a fixed 
IP address, then it is is easy to set up a website using your own 
broadband, albeit slow upload.


You simply set DNS with the domain host to point to your IP address, and 
run a web server like apache.


Dilwyn for instance used 123-reg I think for his domain, but points DNS 
to my server.


Incidentally Dilwyn, there was a short outage last night from about 
23:00.  The data centre had a power failure. I was there until about 
03:30 rescuing my server and a host of WN ones.


Tony


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

2012-05-30 Thread Dilwyn Jones

Dilwyn for instance used 123-reg I think for his domain, but points DNS to 
my server.
I did have problems with the domain to start with, but since it settled down 
I have been very happy with it. Plus Tony's hosting of course.


Incidentally Dilwyn, there was a short outage last night from about 23:00. 
The data centre had a power failure. I was there until about 03:30 
rescuing my server and a host of WN ones.
Thanks for letting me know.Never noticed and nobody said anything about the 
site being down. Could have given you a hand (hindrance?) as I had an 
insomniac night last night

:-(

Dilwyn Jones 


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

2012-05-30 Thread Dilwyn Jones


That's what I do. When I give a company an email, I give
company.n...@mydomain.com- it's very quick and easy to work out who is
selling email addresses. All mail to *@mydomain.com lands in a single
box ;)

Dave
Back in the days of snail-mail, it was fairly easy to trace who put me on 
which mailing lists because I have a Welsh name and (then) an even more 
Welsh address. Companies used to mis-spell the name or address in every way 
imaginable (plus a few more besides) and those same mistakes would turn up 
in junk mailings, revealing (often surprisingly) which of many everyday 
businesses used to do this.


I suppose this is same principle - putting variations in the email addresses 
you use to back-trace where it got onto mailing lists in the first place.


Dilwyn Jones 


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

2012-05-29 Thread John Alexander

I was going to put mine down then it asked for a confirmation email...Nice try 
i wonder what they send you after you have clicked 

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To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Monday, 28 May, 2012, 16:18

Oops! Here's the link  

rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/index.php

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Just a bit of fun, 

Zoom in and see where others have logged their Raspberry Pi's, add your own. It 
only takes a minute.

Neil

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

2012-05-28 Thread Neil Riley

Oops! Here's the link  

rastrack.ryanteck.org.uk/index.php

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To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi Tracker (Google Maps)

Just a bit of fun, 

Zoom in and see where others have logged their Raspberry Pi's, add your own. It 
only takes a minute.

Neil

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-04-30 Thread David Tubbs


At 03:23 26/04/2012 +0100, you wrote:

Here is a review of Raspberry Pi

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/desktops/374290/raspberry-pi-model-b
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I saw no vids there

But this series looks brilliant, includes Linux setup guidance absent in 
three distros that I tried.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreenNR=1v=28CqDKjtppg

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-04-30 Thread John Alexander

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-04-26 Thread John Alexander

Have a look down there for all the Raspberry Pi vids, 3 at the moment.

John A


http://shropshirelug.wordpress.com/

--- On Thu, 26/4/12, Martin Wheatley martinwheat...@sky.com wrote:

From: Martin Wheatley martinwheat...@sky.com
Subject: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Thursday, 26 April, 2012, 3:23

Here is a review of Raspberry Pi

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/desktops/374290/raspberry-pi-model-b
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-25 Thread John Alexander

I think you'll find that I'm the Ql'er with one ;) and have been for nearly 2 
weeks !!

Ner ner  Video links coming up guys!


John Alexander


--- On Mon, 16/4/12, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

From: Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk
Subject: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Monday, 16 April, 2012, 22:19

Hi,

Reading the Raspberry Pi web site - with some interesting videos - the first 
production Pi's have been delivered to a School in Leeds, UK. On Monday 16th 
April 2012.

Delivery of early orders is now expected from Friday 20th April 2012.

I wonder who will be the 'ql-er' to receive one ... :-)

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[Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-04-25 Thread Martin Wheatley


Here is a review of Raspberry Pi

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/desktops/374290/raspberry-pi-model-b
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-23 Thread Lee Privett

Google image is very retro today ZX Spectrum anyone
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-23 Thread tobias.froesc...@t-online.de

more specifically: google.co.uk only

(They don't seem to consider this an international anniversary)

-Original-Nachricht-
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An: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Betreff: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
Datum: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:27:02 +0200

Google image is very retro today ZX Spectrum anyone
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-23 Thread Bryan Horstmann


On 23/04/2012 03:15, tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote:

more specifically: google.co.uk only

(They don't seem to consider this an international anniversary)

-Original-Nachricht-
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An: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Betreff: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
Datum: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:27:02 +0200

Google image is very retro today ZX Spectrum anyone
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My Google search shows a St George logo.

Bryan H
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-23 Thread Malcolm Lear


Well, it seems to be on google.com.

On 23/04/2012 15:23, Bryan Horstmann wrote:

On 23/04/2012 03:15, tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote:

more specifically: google.co.uk only

(They don't seem to consider this an international anniversary)

-Original-Nachricht-
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An: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Betreff: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
Datum: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:27:02 +0200

Google image is very retro today ZX Spectrum anyone
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My Google search shows a St George logo.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-23 Thread Tony firshman

On 23 Apr 2012, at 11:40, Malcolm Lear malc...@essex.ac.uk wrote:
 
 On 23/04/2012 15:23, Bryan Horstmann wrote:
 On 23/04/2012 03:15, tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote:
 more specifically: google.co.uk only
 
 (They don't seem to consider this an international anniversary)
 
 -Original-Nachricht-
 Von: Lee Privettlee.priv...@gmail.com
 An: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
 Betreff: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
 Datum: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:27:02 +0200
 
 Google image is very retro today ZX Spectrum anyone
 ___
 
 
 My Google search shows a St George logo.
 
 Bryan H


 Well, it seems to be on google.com.
Not when loaded in NH, USA.
We are getting the normal logo.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-22 Thread Malcolm Cadman

In message 4f92c11b.8080...@dunbar-it.co.uk, Norman Dunbar 
nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk writes



Hi Bryan,

On 21/04/12 10:21, Bryan Horstmann wrote:

The only things I know about Python are from the Cheat Sheet I mentioned
earlier. But where are the equivalent of all the many other S*BASIC
Keywords?


Python isn't S*Basic, so most of the well known and loved S*Basic 
commands and keywords etc will not be there.


Norm.


As Norman says ... it is not a BASIC, so not all the 'helpers' as 
'keywords', like in S*BASIC


Its antecedents are in C/C++, so it more open ended than a BASIC 
programming language.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-22 Thread Malcolm Cadman

In message 77845c9e-9410-4678-a5d7-ac1476607...@firshman.co.uk, Tony 
firshman t...@firshman.co.uk writes



On 18 Apr 2012, at 17:31, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

In message 4f8e8d97.7070...@newlan.org, Bryan Horstmann 
b...@newlan.org writes


Hi Bryan,

Thanks for the link.

I believe that everything is covered within functions, yet I haven't 
programmed enough with Python to see if that is an advantage or a 
limitation.


PS - You are not the Bryan, named in a Python film, are you? ... :-)

Silly - that was 'Brian' (8-)#

Tony
(Looking on the bright side of life)


Yes, yet he may have cunningly disguised himself, as Bryan, to fool his 
followers ... :-)


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-22 Thread Malcolm Cadman

In message 4f927160.2090...@dunbar-it.co.uk, Norman Dunbar 
nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk writes


Hi Norman,

Great ... :-) ... we need you to write an easy-peasy Guide to Python!

I have been experimenting with a rather 'old version' - 2.5.2 - dated at 
2008, that I never quite got around to using before the Raspberry Pi 
revival came along.


With the PC Windows version, there is a separate 'interpreter' window 
that runs and compiles, as you say, much like a BASIC. Easy ... :-)


I have just updated to 3.7, on Windows, 32 bit version for my machines.



Morning all,

On 20/04/12 21:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

This all sounds very interesting and possibly a fairly straightforward
language for S*BASIC users to learn. I notice there's versions of Python
for Windows as well as Linux etc. Anyone know if a Python program
written on one platform such as Windows, be run on another such as
Linux?
Yes. There's a few ways to run a python program on Linux/Unix either by 
telling the python interpreter the name of the file:


  python filename.py

or by putting this as the first line in the program:

  #!/usr/bin/env python

then making it executable:

  chmod u+x filename.py

then simply calling it:

  ./filename.py

Under windows, only the first option is available and if the program 
contains the #!/usr/bin/env python line, it gets treated as a comment 
and completely ignored.


There's also a python interpreter which sits there and waits for you to 
type something  in, then compiles and executes it.




Guess if the programs are written and saved using a text editor
there's a chance this might be possible, although probably endian issues
might arise with numbers, for example?
There's no problem with endians or numbers etc, well, not those 
problems anyway! There are gotchas to watch out for with numbers:


  print 3 / 4
  0

The '/' operator is equivalent to integer DIV. If you want to get a 
floating point answer, you need to float one or both operands:


  print float(3) / float(4)
  0.75

or

  print float(3) / 4
  0.75

or, simply:

  print 3 / 4.0
  0.75

Python is pretty nifty in it's ability to coerce variables from one 
type to another, so in the above, it sees one float argument and 
coerces the int argument into float and gives back a float answer.


It doesn't coerce strings to floats, or ints:

  print '313' + 300 + '13'

  Traceback (most recent call last):
File pyshell#14, line 1, in module
  print '313' + 300 + '13'
  TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects

But you can do it implicitly:

  print int('313') + 300 + int('13')
  626

And not necesarily in base 10 either:

  print int('313', 16) + 300 + int('13', 8)
  1098

Which is obviously 787 + 300 + 11.



Admittedly I know nothing about Python (yet... - it looks interesting)
You may not know Python yet, but you are using it frequently! Calibre, 
your most favourite program of recent times, is written in Python. So 
you can see it's a capable programming language.


The use of indents in interesting. You do do this in Python:

  #!/usr/bin/env python

  Dilwyn = 'Jones'
  Tony = 'Firshman'
  Malcolm = 'Cadman'

  if (Dilwyn == Tony):
  print Tony and Dilwyn and the same person!
  elif (Tony == Malcolm):
  print Clones are people two!
  else:
  print Everyone is an individual.

The colons mark the start of a block, which must be indented (4 spaces 
is the Python standard). The block ends when the indent comes back out.


Typing the file above using into vi was interesting as it understands 
the indentation and did it for me automagically, probably based on the 
file name (ql.py).


In case anyone is wondering, the else clause is executed.

Arrays are the usual stuff but are called lists:

  ql_people = [Dilwyn, Tony, Marcel, Jochen, ]

To print them out, for example:

  for person in ql_people:
  print This person is: $s % person

They can also be dictionaries. These are like lists, but hava an access 
key, and use different open/close brackets:


  ql_people = {'Jones': 'Dilwyn', Firshman: Tony}
  print ql_people['Jones']
  Dilwyn

So, you could use a dictionary to define a record of some sort:

  dj = {'name': 'Dilwyn Jones',
'age': 32,
'nationality': 'Welsh',
'lives in': 'Tal-y-Bont'}

  print dj
  {'nationality': 'Welsh', 'age': 32, 'name': 'Dilwyn Jones',
  'lives in': 'Tal-y-Bont'}

  print dj['lives in']
  Tal-y-Bont

  print dj['name'], dj['age']
  Dilwyn Jones 32

You can even add functions to dictionaries. Then, a step up from 
dictionaries is a class. But I'll not bother with that, I think I've 
warbled on long enough!



For Python beginners there are a couple of decent books, one of which I 
got free from Amazon for my Kindle:


Hello Python:

Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-21 Thread Norman Dunbar


Morning all,

On 20/04/12 21:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

This all sounds very interesting and possibly a fairly straightforward
language for S*BASIC users to learn. I notice there's versions of Python
for Windows as well as Linux etc. Anyone know if a Python program
written on one platform such as Windows, be run on another such as
Linux?
Yes. There's a few ways to run a python program on Linux/Unix either by 
telling the python interpreter the name of the file:


python filename.py

or by putting this as the first line in the program:

#!/usr/bin/env python

then making it executable:

chmod u+x filename.py

then simply calling it:

./filename.py

Under windows, only the first option is available and if the program 
contains the #!/usr/bin/env python line, it gets treated as a comment 
and completely ignored.


There's also a python interpreter which sits there and waits for you to 
type something  in, then compiles and executes it.



 Guess if the programs are written and saved using a text editor

there's a chance this might be possible, although probably endian issues
might arise with numbers, for example?
There's no problem with endians or numbers etc, well, not those problems 
anyway! There are gotchas to watch out for with numbers:


print 3 / 4
0

The '/' operator is equivalent to integer DIV. If you want to get a 
floating point answer, you need to float one or both operands:


print float(3) / float(4)
0.75

or

print float(3) / 4
0.75

or, simply:

print 3 / 4.0
0.75

Python is pretty nifty in it's ability to coerce variables from one type 
to another, so in the above, it sees one float argument and coerces the 
int argument into float and gives back a float answer.


It doesn't coerce strings to floats, or ints:

print '313' + 300 + '13'

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File pyshell#14, line 1, in module
print '313' + 300 + '13'
TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects

But you can do it implicitly:

print int('313') + 300 + int('13')
626

And not necesarily in base 10 either:

print int('313', 16) + 300 + int('13', 8)
1098

Which is obviously 787 + 300 + 11.



Admittedly I know nothing about Python (yet... - it looks interesting)
You may not know Python yet, but you are using it frequently! Calibre, 
your most favourite program of recent times, is written in Python. So 
you can see it's a capable programming language.


The use of indents in interesting. You do do this in Python:

#!/usr/bin/env python

Dilwyn = 'Jones'
Tony = 'Firshman'
Malcolm = 'Cadman'

if (Dilwyn == Tony):
print Tony and Dilwyn and the same person!
elif (Tony == Malcolm):
print Clones are people two!
else:
print Everyone is an individual.

The colons mark the start of a block, which must be indented (4 spaces 
is the Python standard). The block ends when the indent comes back out.


Typing the file above using into vi was interesting as it understands 
the indentation and did it for me automagically, probably based on the 
file name (ql.py).


In case anyone is wondering, the else clause is executed.

Arrays are the usual stuff but are called lists:

ql_people = [Dilwyn, Tony, Marcel, Jochen, ]

To print them out, for example:

for person in ql_people:
print This person is: $s % person

They can also be dictionaries. These are like lists, but hava an access 
key, and use different open/close brackets:


ql_people = {'Jones': 'Dilwyn', Firshman: Tony}
print ql_people['Jones']
Dilwyn

So, you could use a dictionary to define a record of some sort:

dj = {'name': 'Dilwyn Jones',
  'age': 32,
  'nationality': 'Welsh',
  'lives in': 'Tal-y-Bont'}

print dj
{'nationality': 'Welsh', 'age': 32, 'name': 'Dilwyn Jones',
'lives in': 'Tal-y-Bont'}

print dj['lives in']
Tal-y-Bont

print dj['name'], dj['age']
Dilwyn Jones 32

You can even add functions to dictionaries. Then, a step up from 
dictionaries is a class. But I'll not bother with that, I think I've 
warbled on long enough!



For Python beginners there are a couple of decent books, one of which I 
got free from Amazon for my Kindle:


Hello Python: 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hello-Python-Anthony-Briggs/dp/1935182080/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1334995546sr=1-1


Treading On Python Volume 1: 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Treading-Python-Volume-1-ebook/dp/B00639H0AK/ref=sr_1_8?s=digital-textie=UTF8qid=1334995630sr=1-8


And a free online Python programming course: 
http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/



It's quite an easy, neat language with many decent features, and (sorry 
Tony) far easier on the eye

Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-21 Thread Norman Dunbar


On 20/04/12 23:07, Tony firshman wrote:

One has a first line for Linux - #!/usr/bin/perl/  - which points to the 
compiler.


It's better to use:

#!/usr/bin/env perl

because it's cross distro. Linux is supposed to be standard, but 
different distro's put things in different locations. So, your file may 
not run on my laptop and vice versa if we used the hard coded path to 
the perl compiler (or whatever).


Using /usr/bin/env will find the perl compiler no matter where it lives 
on my $PATH or yours.


Of course, what puzzles me is the fact that I'm being told to avoid hard 
coding paths to perl, or python, or shells etc by hard coding the path 
to env instead - but I rather suspect that env *is* in a standard 
location.



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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-21 Thread Norman Dunbar


On 21/04/12 09:35, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Python is pretty nifty in it's ability to coerce variables

Oh no! The apostrophe! How did it get there? :-(


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-21 Thread George Gwilt


On 20 Apr 2012, at 21:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

 
 I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They were 
 not actually necessary,
 and if GOTO did not exist, not even used.
 I think QLiberator at least can compile without line numbers (never actually 
 tried that). Perhaps George could tell us if Turbo can too.

Turbo gives three options: omitting line numbers in the compiled program, 
including them without displaying them during compilation and including them as 
well as displaying them.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-21 Thread Bryan Horstmann


On 20/04/2012 09:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

So like all the BASICS, it is interpreted as it is run.
Not quite the same.  Yes- superBasic runs uncompiled but errors only 
show when they

are encountered.
Python  (and perl - my preference) compiles first, syntax errors show 
then and it stops
with error display - often wildly confusing if things lke closing 
quotes (or a dreaded ';' in

Perl) is missed. Only if it compiles does it run the program.


It will be interesting to see whether this happens, and which 
computer languages actually

then get used.


One of the really great features of python is no {} structure or 
semi-colons - it relies on indenting.
This imposes good layout, which I in fact always attempt in perl ( 
and C).


This all sounds very interesting and possibly a fairly straightforward 
language for S*BASIC users to learn. I notice there's versions of 
Python for Windows as well as Linux etc. Anyone know if a Python 
program written on one platform such as Windows, be run on another 
such as Linux? Guess if the programs are written and saved using a 
text editor there's a chance this might be possible, although probably 
endian issues might arise with numbers, for example? Admittedly I know 
nothing about Python (yet... - it looks interesting)


I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They 
were not actually necessary,

and if GOTO did not exist, not even used.
I think QLiberator at least can compile without line numbers (never 
actually tried that). Perhaps George could tell us if Turbo can too.


GOTO and GOSUB are one thing, you can usually do without them. What 
about RESTORE line_number though?


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The only things I know about Python are from the Cheat Sheet I mentioned 
earlier.  But where are the equivalent of all the many other S*BASIC 
Keywords?


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-21 Thread Derek Stewart

On 21/04/2012 09:35, Norman Dunbar wrote:

Morning all,

On 20/04/12 21:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

This all sounds very interesting and possibly a fairly straightforward
language for S*BASIC users to learn. I notice there's versions of Python
for Windows as well as Linux etc. Anyone know if a Python program
written on one platform such as Windows, be run on another such as
Linux?
Yes. There's a few ways to run a python program on Linux/Unix either
by telling the python interpreter the name of the file:

python filename.py

or by putting this as the first line in the program:

#!/usr/bin/env python

then making it executable:

chmod u+x filename.py

then simply calling it:

./filename.py

Under windows, only the first option is available and if the program
contains the #!/usr/bin/env python line, it gets treated as a comment
and completely ignored.

There's also a python interpreter which sits there and waits for you
to type something in, then compiles and executes it.

Guess if the programs are written and saved using a text editor

there's a chance this might be possible, although probably endian issues
might arise with numbers, for example?
There's no problem with endians or numbers etc, well, not those
problems anyway! There are gotchas to watch out for with numbers:

print 3 / 4
0

The '/' operator is equivalent to integer DIV. If you want to get a
floating point answer, you need to float one or both operands:

print float(3) / float(4)
0.75

print float(3) / 4
0.75

or, simply:

print 3 / 4.0
0.75

Python is pretty nifty in it's ability to coerce variables from one
type to another, so in the above, it sees one float argument and
coerces the int argument into float and gives back a float answer.

It doesn't coerce strings to floats, or ints:

print '313' + 300 + '13'

Traceback (most recent call last):
File pyshell#14, line 1, in module
print '313' + 300 + '13'
TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects

But you can do it implicitly:

print int('313') + 300 + int('13')
626

And not necesarily in base 10 either:

print int('313', 16) + 300 + int('13', 8)
1098

Which is obviously 787 + 300 + 11.

Admittedly I know nothing about Python (yet... - it looks interesting)
You may not know Python yet, but you are using it frequently! Calibre,
your most favourite program of recent times, is written in Python. So
you can see it's a capable programming language.

The use of indents in interesting. You do do this in Python:

#!/usr/bin/env python

Dilwyn = 'Jones'
Tony = 'Firshman'
Malcolm = 'Cadman'

if (Dilwyn == Tony):
print Tony and Dilwyn and the same person!
elif (Tony == Malcolm):
print Clones are people two!
else:
print Everyone is an individual.

The colons mark the start of a block, which must be indented (4 spaces
is the Python standard). The block ends when the indent comes back out.

Typing the file above using into vi was interesting as it understands
the indentation and did it for me automagically, probably based on the
file name (ql.py).

In case anyone is wondering, the else clause is executed.

Arrays are the usual stuff but are called lists:

ql_people = [Dilwyn, Tony, Marcel, Jochen, ]

To print them out, for example:

for person in ql_people:
print This person is: $s % person

They can also be dictionaries. These are like lists, but hava an
access key, and use different open/close brackets:

ql_people = {'Jones': 'Dilwyn', Firshman: Tony}
print ql_people['Jones']
Dilwyn

So, you could use a dictionary to define a record of some sort:

dj = {'name': 'Dilwyn Jones',
'age': 32,
'nationality': 'Welsh',
'lives in': 'Tal-y-Bont'}

print dj
{'nationality': 'Welsh', 'age': 32, 'name': 'Dilwyn Jones',
'lives in': 'Tal-y-Bont'}

print dj['lives in']
Tal-y-Bont

print dj['name'], dj['age']
Dilwyn Jones 32

You can even add functions to dictionaries. Then, a step up from
dictionaries is a class. But I'll not bother with that, I think I've
warbled on long enough!

For Python beginners there are a couple of decent books, one of which
I got free from Amazon for my Kindle:

Hello Python:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hello-Python-Anthony-Briggs/dp/1935182080/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1334995546sr=1-1

Treading On Python Volume 1:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Treading-Python-Volume-1-ebook/dp/B00639H0AK/ref=sr_1_8?s=digital-textie=UTF8qid=1334995630sr=1-8

And a free online Python programming course:
http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

It's quite an easy, neat language with many decent features, and
(sorry Tony) far easier on the eye than Perl!

Linux users probably already have Python 2.x installed. Python 3.0 is
coming/available but changes quite a lot.

Windows users can get an installer from

Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-21 Thread Ralf Reköndt

I think, that wasn't the question. Don't confuse this with QLiberator's 
option Line Numbers.


As far as I know, QLiberator does not need line numbers, but this is not 
possible via the interpreter. It is in fact possible with the QD5 Thing to 
compile source code without line numbers.


I think, Turbo is just able to compile a loaded SuperBASIC program, so no 
way to compile without line numbers. QLiberator always compile from a QSAVEd 
file (or QD5 Thing).


Cheers...Ralf


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Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts




On 20 Apr 2012, at 21:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote:



I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They 
were not actually necessary,

and if GOTO did not exist, not even used.
I think QLiberator at least can compile without line numbers (never 
actually tried that). Perhaps George could tell us if Turbo can too.


Turbo gives three options: omitting line numbers in the compiled program, 
including them without displaying them during compilation and including 
them as well as displaying them.


George
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-21 Thread George Gwilt


On 21 Apr 2012, at 11:42, Ralf Reköndt wrote:

 I think, that wasn't the question. Don't confuse this with QLiberator's 
 option Line Numbers.
 
 As far as I know, QLiberator does not need line numbers, but this is not 
 possible via the interpreter. It is in fact possible with the QD5 Thing to 
 compile source code without line numbers.
 
 I think, Turbo is just able to compile a loaded SuperBASIC program, so no way 
 to compile without line numbers. QLiberator always compile from a QSAVEd file 
 (or QD5 Thing).

Turbo compiles from the tokenised SuperBASIC program.

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2012-04-21 Thread Ralf Reköndt


Yes, but always from a loaded SuperBASIC program... ;-)


Turbo compiles from the tokenised SuperBASIC program.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-21 Thread Bob Spelten


Op Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:42:05 +0200 schreef Ralf Reköndt
ralf.rekoe...@t-online.de:

I think, that wasn't the question. Don't confuse this with QLiberator's  
option Line Numbers.


As far as I know, QLiberator does not need line numbers, but this is not  
possible via the interpreter. It is in fact possible with the QD5 Thing  
to compile source code without line numbers.


I think, Turbo is just able to compile a loaded SuperBASIC program, so  
no way to compile without line numbers. QLiberator always compile from a  
QSAVEd file (or QD5 Thing).


Cheers...Ralf

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To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 10:46 AM
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On 20 Apr 2012, at 21:40, Dilwyn Jones wrote:



I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They  
were not actually necessary,

and if GOTO did not exist, not even used.
I think QLiberator at least can compile without line numbers (never  
actually tried that). Perhaps George could tell us if Turbo can too.


Turbo gives three options: omitting line numbers in the compiled  
program, including them without displaying them during compilation and  
including them as well as displaying them.


George


QD can be used to write SBasic without bothering about line numbers.
GOTO's and GOSUB's can easily be avoided.
The SBAS/QD thing lets me test-run it from there.

I use BasicLinker to call Qliberator, this will add line numbers for the
_sav file, which can be stripped again by Qlib.
This also takes care of multiple RESTORE commands, as long as they are the
only command on that line.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-21 Thread Norman Dunbar


Hi Derek,


Why get the source to Python and produce a specific version for Sbasic.
Because we can? I suppose we could, after all, we have C68 for QDOSMSQ 
why not Python?


It would be a separate language though, not something to compile S*Basic.


I suppose we could produce sPython, which would run / compile Sbasic
source code. But there would have be a facility to add extensions and
Toolkits to it.
Python is a language in it's own right, like C or Basic or Assembly. 
S*Basic syntax etc will not be compatible with Python. (Unless someone 
builds a translator of course.)



...




I use Mint 12, which has Python 3 built in on installation, been using
this for a while now, all very nice and very similiar to Sbasic/Superbasic.
I too have Mint 12 and my Python shows 2.7.2+ but maybe there was an 
option at install time to select Python 2.x or 3.x. Even on the Python 
web site they advise sticking with 2,x as there are more programs 
compatible with that version.



Cheers,
Norm.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-21 Thread Norman Dunbar


Hi Bryan,

On 21/04/12 10:21, Bryan Horstmann wrote:

The only things I know about Python are from the Cheat Sheet I mentioned
earlier. But where are the equivalent of all the many other S*BASIC
Keywords?
Python isn't S*Basic, so most of the well known and loved S*Basic 
commands and keywords etc will not be there.



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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-20 Thread Malcolm Cadman

In message 4f8fe256.8070...@newlan.org, Bryan Horstmann 
b...@newlan.org writes


Hi Bryan,

Yes, every computer language has its own way of doing things, hence the 
variety.


Python seems to be in the middle ground, where it has features like the 
more complex C/C++ and Pascal, etc, and yet you do not have to all of 
that endless 'compiling' to see a result.


So like all the BASICS, it is interpreted as it is run.

One of the aims of the Pi, is to encourage programming, again, to users 
and especially younger users. To see a quick result.


It will be interesting to see whether this happens, and which computer 
languages actually then get used.



I've had a look at Python too, Malcolm, and found Python Languages  
Syntax Cheat Sheet.  Under basic arithmetic it says i=a%b   e.g. 11%3

2  I cannot make sense of that.  I'll just hope that we can get an
emulator and stick to SBASIC I know.  But if RS have 220,000 
outstanding orders, it'll be some time before I get one!


Bryan H.


On 17/04/2012 10:37, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
In message 
1334691190.17608.yahoomailclas...@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com, John 
Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes


Hi John,

Well done ... I guess you may be the first on this list ... :-)

In the meantime, I am starting to getting around to learning the 
Python programming language.


As you may guess, the link between Pi and Python names is not 
accidental in all this, either. As Python is the preferred programming 
language for the Pi. Well at least at this early stage.


For those who do not program, it also no accident that the Python 
programming language is directly termed after the Monty Python comedy.


The Tutorial with the Version that I have, on a PC, gets in early 
with  a variable definition termed SPAM ... which is an obvious 
reference  to one well known comedic sketch.


I guess that this will open up everyone's imagination and humour, too 
.




My RPi arrived yesterday ;)

http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU

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From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33

Lee Privett wrote:


Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi

http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg

Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-20 Thread Tony firshman



On 19 Apr 2012, at 15:10, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

 In message 4f8fe256.8070...@newlan.org, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org 
 writes
 
 Hi Bryan,
 
 Yes, every computer language has its own way of doing things, hence the 
 variety.
 
 Python seems to be in the middle ground, where it has features like the more 
 complex C/C++ and Pascal, etc, and yet you do not have to all of that endless 
 'compiling' to see a result.
 
 So like all the BASICS, it is interpreted as it is run.
Not quite the same.  Yes- superBasic runs uncompiled but errors only show when 
they are encountered.
Python  (and perl - my preference) compiles first, syntax errors show then and 
it stops with error display - often wildly confusing if things lke closing 
quotes (or a dreaded ';' in Perl) is missed. Only if it compiles does it run 
the program.
 
 
 One of the aims of the Pi, is to encourage programming, again, to users and 
 especially younger users. To see a quick result.
 
 It will be interesting to see whether this happens, and which computer 
 languages actually then get used.
 
One of the really great features of python is no {} structure or semi-colons - 
it relies on indenting. This imposes good layout, which I in fact always 
attempt in perl ( and C).

I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They were not 
actually necessary, and if GOTO did not exist, not even used.
 
Tony

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2012-04-20 Thread Dilwyn Jones


So like all the BASICS, it is interpreted as it is run.
Not quite the same.  Yes- superBasic runs uncompiled but errors only show 
when they

are encountered.
Python  (and perl - my preference) compiles first, syntax errors show then 
and it stops
with error display - often wildly confusing if things lke closing quotes 
(or a dreaded ';' in

Perl) is missed. Only if it compiles does it run the program.


It will be interesting to see whether this happens, and which computer 
languages actually

then get used.


One of the really great features of python is no {} structure or 
semi-colons - it relies on indenting.

This imposes good layout, which I in fact always attempt in perl ( and C).

This all sounds very interesting and possibly a fairly straightforward 
language for S*BASIC users to learn. I notice there's versions of Python for 
Windows as well as Linux etc. Anyone know if a Python program written on one 
platform such as Windows, be run on another such as Linux? Guess if the 
programs are written and saved using a text editor there's a chance this 
might be possible, although probably endian issues might arise with numbers, 
for example? Admittedly I know nothing about Python (yet... - it looks 
interesting)


I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They were 
not actually necessary,

and if GOTO did not exist, not even used.
I think QLiberator at least can compile without line numbers (never actually 
tried that). Perhaps George could tell us if Turbo can too.


GOTO and GOSUB are one thing, you can usually do without them. What about 
RESTORE line_number though?


Dilwyn 


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-20 Thread Tony firshman



On 20 Apr 2012, at 16:40, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

 So like all the BASICS, it is interpreted as it is run.
 Not quite the same.  Yes- superBasic runs uncompiled but errors only show 
 when they
 are encountered.
 Python  (and perl - my preference) compiles first, syntax errors show then 
 and it stops
 with error display - often wildly confusing if things lke closing quotes (or 
 a dreaded ';' in
 Perl) is missed. Only if it compiles does it run the program.
 
 It will be interesting to see whether this happens, and which computer 
 languages actually
 then get used.
 
 One of the really great features of python is no {} structure or semi-colons 
 - it relies on indenting.
 This imposes good layout, which I in fact always attempt in perl ( and C).
 
 This all sounds very interesting and possibly a fairly straightforward 
 language for S*BASIC users to learn. I notice there's versions of Python for 
 Windows as well as Linux etc. Anyone know if a Python program written on one 
 platform such as Windows, be run on another such as Linux? Guess if the 
 programs are written and saved using a text editor there's a chance this 
 might be possible, although probably endian issues might arise with numbers, 
 for example? Admittedly I know nothing about Python (yet... - it looks 
 interesting)
I don't really know python, but I am sure it is much like perl.

One has a first line for Linux - #!/usr/bin/perl/ - which points to the 
compiler.
Under windows one uses 'perl program name' - and it ignores the pointer, as it 
is a comment!
Any extra modules needed are loaded using 'include', again at the beginning.
There will be no issues with the code as long as these modules are there - 
usually.  However, especially in the area of gt lt etc, syntx changed. These 
languages though seem to be backward compatible in the main.
I always write witth a text editor, often on a different platform.
 
 I always thought it was a pity superBasic demanded line numbers. They were 
 not actually necessary,
 and if GOTO did not exist, not even used.
 I think QLiberator at least can compile without line numbers (never actually 
 tried that). Perhaps George could tell us if Turbo can too.
 
 GOTO and GOSUB are one thing, you can usually do without them. What about 
 RESTORE line_number though?
 
Ah I didn't know about that one, and have never used it.
 
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2012-04-19 Thread Bryan Horstmann

I've had a look at Python too, Malcolm, and found Python Languages  
Syntax Cheat Sheet.  Under basic arithmetic it says i=a%b   e.g.  11%3 
 2  I cannot make sense of that.  I'll just hope that we can get an 
emulator and stick to SBASIC I know.  But if RS have 220,000 outstanding 
orders, it'll be some time before I get one!


Bryan H.


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Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes


Hi John,

Well done ... I guess you may be the first on this list ... :-)

In the meantime, I am starting to getting around to learning the 
Python programming language.


As you may guess, the link between Pi and Python names is not 
accidental in all this, either. As Python is the preferred programming 
language for the Pi. Well at least at this early stage.


For those who do not program, it also no accident that the Python 
programming language is directly termed after the Monty Python comedy.


The Tutorial with the Version that I have, on a PC, gets in early with 
a variable definition termed SPAM ... which is an obvious reference 
to one well known comedic sketch.


I guess that this will open up everyone's imagination and humour, too 
.




My RPi arrived yesterday ;)

http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU

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To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33

Lee Privett wrote:


Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi

http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg

Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-19 Thread Miguel Angel Rodriguez Jodar


El 19/04/2012 12:00, Bryan Horstmann escribió:

I've had a look at Python too, Malcolm, and found Python Languages  Syntax
Cheat Sheet. Under basic arithmetic it says i=a%b e.g. 11%3  2 I cannot make
sense of that.


That's the modulus operator, as in C language. The binary operator a%b returns 
the remainder of the integer division between a and b. It's equivalent to 
the MOD function in SBASIC.


For example, 11%3 returns 2 because 11 divided by 3 gives 3 and remainder 2.

It's a very powerfull operator to perform modular aritmethic. For example, 
imagine that you want to calculate fast sine functions, and to to that, you have 
set up a table with 360 numbers, indexed from 0 to 359. Element with index i 
will contain the sine of i (with i expressed in degrees).


Then, for an arbitrary (positive integer) angle, you can do something like:

sineofi = sinetable[i%360];

The index expression inside the brackets will wrap around 360, giving you 
0,1,2,...,358,359,0,1,

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-19 Thread Tony Firshman



On 19 Apr 2012, at 06:00, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org wrote:

 I've had a look at Python too, Malcolm, and found Python Languages  Syntax 
 Cheat Sheet.  Under basic arithmetic it says i=a%b   e.g.  11%3  2  I 
 cannot make sense of that.  I'll just hope that we can get an emulator and 
 stick to SBASIC I know.  But if RS have 220,000 outstanding orders, it'll be 
 some time before I get one!
 
I bet this includes a lot of duplicate 'registration of interest '  They still 
have not even asked if I even want to place an order, which I don't.  In fact 
succesfully placed an order with Farnell on the second day.

Tony
 Bryas
Nice to misprint ones own name! Well unless I altered it by mistake. I quite 
often type 'Tiny'!
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-19 Thread Lee Privett

ditto

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote:



 On 19 Apr 2012, at 06:00, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org wrote:

  I've had a look at Python too, Malcolm, and found Python Languages 
 Syntax Cheat Sheet.  Under basic arithmetic it says i=a%b   e.g.  11%3 
 2  I cannot make sense of that.  I'll just hope that we can get an
 emulator and stick to SBASIC I know.  But if RS have 220,000 outstanding
 orders, it'll be some time before I get one!
 
 I bet this includes a lot of duplicate 'registration of interest '  They
 still have not even asked if I even want to place an order, which I don't.
  In fact succesfully placed an order with Farnell on the second day.

 Tony
  Bryas
 Nice to misprint ones own name! Well unless I altered it by mistake. I
 quite often type 'Tiny'!
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-19 Thread Bryan Horstmann


On 19/04/2012 12:03, Miguel Angel Rodriguez Jodar wrote:

El 19/04/2012 12:00, Bryan Horstmann escribió:
I've had a look at Python too, Malcolm, and found Python Languages  
Syntax
Cheat Sheet. Under basic arithmetic it says i=a%b e.g. 11%3  2 I 
cannot make

sense of that.


That's the modulus operator, as in C language. The binary operator a%b 
returns the remainder of the integer division between a and b. 
It's equivalent to the MOD function in SBASIC.


For example, 11%3 returns 2 because 11 divided by 3 gives 3 and 
remainder 2.


It's a very powerfull operator to perform modular aritmethic. For 
example, imagine that you want to calculate fast sine functions, and 
to to that, you have set up a table with 360 numbers, indexed from 0 
to 359. Element with index i will contain the sine of i (with i 
expressed in degrees).


Then, for an arbitrary (positive integer) angle, you can do something 
like:


sineofi = sinetable[i%360];

The index expression inside the brackets will wrap around 360, giving 
you 0,1,2,...,358,359,0,1,

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Thanks Miguel.  I've no knowledge of C and my scientific calculator 
wouldn't accept it.


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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-19 Thread Malcolm Cadman

In message 4f8e8d97.7070...@newlan.org, Bryan Horstmann 
b...@newlan.org writes


Hi Bryan,

Thanks for the link.

I believe that everything is covered within functions, yet I haven't 
programmed enough with Python to see if that is an advantage or a 
limitation.


PS - You are not the Bryan, named in a Python film, are you? ... :-)


I've come across this which might be useful.   I see functions but not 
procedures.

http://cottagelabs.com/python-language-syntax-cheat-sheet/

Bryan H


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Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes


Hi John,

Well done ... I guess you may be the first on this list ... :-)

In the meantime, I am starting to getting around to learning the 
Python programming language.


As you may guess, the link between Pi and Python names is not 
accidental in all this, either. As Python is the preferred programming 
language for the Pi. Well at least at this early stage.


For those who do not program, it also no accident that the Python 
programming language is directly termed after the Monty Python comedy.


The Tutorial with the Version that I have, on a PC, gets in early 
with  a variable definition termed SPAM ... which is an obvious 
reference  to one well known comedic sketch.


I guess that this will open up everyone's imagination and humour, too 
.




My RPi arrived yesterday ;)

http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU

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Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33

Lee Privett wrote:


Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi

http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg

Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-19 Thread Tony firshman



On 18 Apr 2012, at 17:31, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

 In message 4f8e8d97.7070...@newlan.org, Bryan Horstmann b...@newlan.org 
 writes
 
 Hi Bryan,
 
 Thanks for the link.
 
 I believe that everything is covered within functions, yet I haven't 
 programmed enough with Python to see if that is an advantage or a limitation.
 
 PS - You are not the Bryan, named in a Python film, are you? ... :-)
Silly - that was 'Brian' (8-)#

Tony
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-18 Thread Norman Dunbar


On 17/04/12 20:33, John Alexander wrote:

My RPi arrived yesterday ;)

I don't know you personally John, but I think I hate you already! ;-)

Have fun with your Pi.


Cheers,
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-18 Thread Bryan Horstmann

I've come across this which might be useful.   I see functions but not 
procedures.

http://cottagelabs.com/python-language-syntax-cheat-sheet/

Bryan H


On 17/04/2012 10:37, Malcolm Cadman wrote:
In message 
1334691190.17608.yahoomailclas...@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com, John 
Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes


Hi John,

Well done ... I guess you may be the first on this list ... :-)

In the meantime, I am starting to getting around to learning the 
Python programming language.


As you may guess, the link between Pi and Python names is not 
accidental in all this, either. As Python is the preferred programming 
language for the Pi. Well at least at this early stage.


For those who do not program, it also no accident that the Python 
programming language is directly termed after the Monty Python comedy.


The Tutorial with the Version that I have, on a PC, gets in early with 
a variable definition termed SPAM ... which is an obvious reference 
to one well known comedic sketch.


I guess that this will open up everyone's imagination and humour, too 
.




My RPi arrived yesterday ;)

http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU

--- On Tue, 17/4/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33

Lee Privett wrote:


Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi

http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg

Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-17 Thread Lee Privett

Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi

http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg




On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote:



 On 16 Apr 2012, at 17:19, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

  Hi,
 
  Reading the Raspberry Pi web site - with some interesting videos - the
 first production Pi's have been delivered to a School in Leeds, UK. On
 Monday 16th April 2012.
 
  Delivery of early orders is now expected from Friday 20th April 2012.
 
  I wonder who will be the 'ql-er' to receive one ... :-)
 

 I am in the USA until the 25th, so it would be really ironic if mine
 arrived before then.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-17 Thread Dilwyn Jones


Lee Privett wrote:


Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi

http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg

Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-17 Thread John Alexander

My RPi arrived yesterday ;)

http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU

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From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33

Lee Privett wrote:

 Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi
 
 http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg
Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-17 Thread Malcolm Cadman

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Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes


Hi John,

Well done ... I guess you may be the first on this list ... :-)

In the meantime, I am starting to getting around to learning the Python 
programming language.


As you may guess, the link between Pi and Python names is not 
accidental in all this, either. As Python is the preferred programming 
language for the Pi. Well at least at this early stage.


For those who do not program, it also no accident that the Python 
programming language is directly termed after the Monty Python comedy.


The Tutorial with the Version that I have, on a PC, gets in early with a 
variable definition termed SPAM ... which is an obvious reference to 
one well known comedic sketch.


I guess that this will open up everyone's imagination and humour, too 
.




My RPi arrived yesterday ;)

http://youtu.be/6X2P7sVL-wU

--- On Tue, 17/4/12, Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Tuesday, 17 April, 2012, 18:33

Lee Privett wrote:


Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi

http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg

Looks good, but a QL emulator would be even better!

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-17 Thread Malcolm Cadman

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Lee Privett lee.priv...@gmail.com writes


Hi Lee,

Yes, I guess the fun is starting ... :-)


Someone already has atleast one emulator running on the Pi

http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/simcoupe.jpg




On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk wrote:




On 16 Apr 2012, at 17:19, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

 Hi,

 Reading the Raspberry Pi web site - with some interesting videos - the
first production Pi's have been delivered to a School in Leeds, UK. On
Monday 16th April 2012.

 Delivery of early orders is now expected from Friday 20th April 2012.

 I wonder who will be the 'ql-er' to receive one ... :-)


I am in the USA until the 25th, so it would be really ironic if mine
arrived before then.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-17 Thread Malcolm Cadman

In message b87bf53a-b12f-4f0f-a5bc-5ae4e1c27...@firshman.co.uk, Tony 
Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk writes



On 16 Apr 2012, at 17:19, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:


Hi,

Reading the Raspberry Pi web site - with some interesting videos - 
the first production Pi's have been delivered to a School in Leeds, 
UK. On Monday 16th April 2012.


Delivery of early orders is now expected from Friday 20th April 2012.

I wonder who will be the 'ql-er' to receive one ... :-)



I am in the USA until the 25th, so it would be really ironic if mine 
arrived before then.


Tony


Hi Tony,

Knowing life ... it will probably be delivered at home before you get 
back.

Then, again, I guess your son will already then be using it, too ... :-)

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[Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-16 Thread Malcolm Cadman


Hi,

Reading the Raspberry Pi web site - with some interesting videos - the 
first production Pi's have been delivered to a School in Leeds, UK. On 
Monday 16th April 2012.


Delivery of early orders is now expected from Friday 20th April 2012.

I wonder who will be the 'ql-er' to receive one ... :-)

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi - starts

2012-04-16 Thread Tony Firshman



On 16 Apr 2012, at 17:19, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Reading the Raspberry Pi web site - with some interesting videos - the first 
 production Pi's have been delivered to a School in Leeds, UK. On Monday 
 16th April 2012.
 
 Delivery of early orders is now expected from Friday 20th April 2012.
 
 I wonder who will be the 'ql-er' to receive one ... :-)
 

I am in the USA until the 25th, so it would be really ironic if mine arrived 
before then.

Tony
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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-04-10 Thread John Alexander


They appear to have passed now Malcolm! 


http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/996

http://www.raspberrypi.org/
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Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 4 April, 2012, 21:33

In message 104872.7582.yahoomailclas...@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com, John 
Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes

Excuse the 'top posting' ... to make sense of the discussion.

Yes, the long wait for the 'production' models seems to be close to an end for 
the RPi.

Farnell and RS are collaborating to move the CE compliance requirement forward.


 Yep , they have photos of them been in the UK warehouse which is great leap 
 forward.
 I don't know how much more if any of the EMC testing they need to complete.
 Any way it sort of gives me my unit in maybe  2 weeks ish 
 
 Re casing, I don't see a standard plastic case doing much with regards to EMC.
 Obviously with the conductive paint sprayed on the inside this is a different 
 question.
 
 My Panda board got it's FCC badge so I don't see the lack of case to be a 
 fundamental
 problem. Also sub assemblies get sold like this all the time, lets see!!!
 
 John A
 
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 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
 Date: Saturday, 31 March, 2012, 22:06
 
 In message 4f76cc35.7040...@firshman.co.uk, Tony Firshman 
 t...@firshman.co.uk writes
 
 The first 10,000 have arrived in the UK but are now being held up as RS and 
 Farnell are demanding a formal CE test, rather than the usual self 
 certification.
 
 This might be a problem, as they are uncased and are bound to produce EMI.
 In the USA the FCC allow manufacturers to bypass this by labelling: This 
 product may cause interference.
 
 I wonder how mobile phones get around this - we have all heard the 
 interference they cause!
 
 The QL black box was absolutely awful, both for interference, and also 
 susceptibility to interference.  That directly spawned my Computer Cleaner.
 
 Tony
 
 According to the RS web site, the requirement for a CE is owing to the board 
 not now being classified as a 'prototype'. Owing to the large number in 
 production.
 
 -- Malcolm Cadman

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Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi

2012-04-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman

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Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes


Hi John,

Yes, the first batch of 10,000 should be dispatched in the next 7 to 10 
days ... or so it says on the RS web site ... :-)



They appear to have passed now Malcolm!


http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/996

http://www.raspberrypi.org/
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

From: Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk
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To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Wednesday, 4 April, 2012, 21:33

In message 
104872.7582.yahoomailclas...@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com, John 
Alexander acontractor...@yahoo.co.uk writes


Excuse the 'top posting' ... to make sense of the discussion.

Yes, the long wait for the 'production' models seems to be close to an 
end for the RPi.


Farnell and RS are collaborating to move the CE compliance requirement forward.


Yep , they have photos of them been in the UK warehouse which is 
great leap forward.

I don't know how much more if any of the EMC testing they need to complete.
Any way it sort of gives me my unit in maybe  2 weeks ish 

Re casing, I don't see a standard plastic case doing much with 
regards to EMC.
Obviously with the conductive paint sprayed on the inside this is a 
different question.


My Panda board got it's FCC badge so I don't see the lack of case to 
be a fundamental

problem. Also sub assemblies get sold like this all the time, lets see!!!

John A

--- On Sat, 31/3/12, Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk wrote:

From: Malcolm Cadman q...@mcad.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Raspberry Pi
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Date: Saturday, 31 March, 2012, 22:06

In message 4f76cc35.7040...@firshman.co.uk, Tony Firshman 
t...@firshman.co.uk writes


The first 10,000 have arrived in the UK but are now being held up as 
RS and Farnell are demanding a formal CE test, rather than the usual 
self certification.


This might be a problem, as they are uncased and are bound to produce EMI.
In the USA the FCC allow manufacturers to bypass this by labelling: 
This product may cause interference.


I wonder how mobile phones get around this - we have all heard the 
interference they cause!


The QL black box was absolutely awful, both for interference, and 
also susceptibility to interference.  That directly spawned my 
Computer Cleaner.


Tony


According to the RS web site, the requirement for a CE is owing to 
the board not now being classified as a 'prototype'. Owing to the 
large number in production.


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