Re: [Ql-Users] Email

[simon629--- via Ql-Users]

My email is simon...@sky.com
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Re: [Ql-Users] Email attachments

[pjwitte]

On 15/01/2017 11:04, Derek Stewart wrote:

<>

If the operating system is in ROM, I donot think this is going to 
work, also there is no or very limited Internet access for the QL 
systems and I do not think hacker will see QDOS/SMSQ/E as a viable 
target. 

May I add this quote to my collection of Famous Last Words, Derek? ;)

Slowly but surely even the "QL" is becoming more connected, and who 
knows what new possibilities might emerge? Networked games over the 
Internet, email, maybe even a browser (using SBASIC as a client-side 
scripting language),.. Then there are all those new digital refugees - 
particularily the "retro-brigade" - swamping our cosy little Forum 
with ideas from the previous millenium, and others too, with 
subversive new ideas like moving pictures, and wotnext.. Terrorists 
could so easily slip through Commisario Vanpeebles' net, masquerading 
as innocent tinkerers! ;)


We live in dangerous times. A little paranoia goes a long way. In my 
estimate of the original question (could some kind of destructive/spy 
code enter the QL world from outside?): Yes, it is theoretically 
possible, and becomes ever more so, but at present it is _highly 
unlikely_. Should ever any such attack occur it would most likely come 
from within the QL community, and that would leave a limited number of 
suspects (one of, who by his own admission, has terrorist tendencies! 
;) However IMHO, anyone considering developing tools or applications 
for the QL environment that use the Internet, should give some thought 
to possible dangers and risks.


Per
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Re: [Ql-Users] Email attachments

[Derek Stewart]

On 15/01/17 09:23, Graeme Gregory wrote:



On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, at 05:47 AM, Daniele Terdina wrote:

Not sure how you come to that conclusion, I used to work on Java and it
goes through a stringent security process.


AFAIK Flash used to be the most vulnerable software (when also taking
user base into account), but since it lost favor Java has been the top or
one of the top for a long time.
See for example:
http://www.csoonline.com/article/2875535/application-security/java-is-the-biggest-vulnerability-for-us-computers.html

[http://core5.staticworld.net/images/article/2014/11/maria-trombly-headshot-closeup-100532712-byline.jpg]

Java is the biggest vulnerability for US computers | CSO
...
www.csoonline.com
Java is the biggest vulnerability for US computers Oracle's Java poses
the single biggest security risk to US desktops, says a new report



If you actually read the article thats because of the huge attack
surface of old unpatched java installations in the world. It is afterall
written by a company selling their auto patching software. Thats like
saying QDOS is really aweful because of a bug you found in the AH ROM
that was subsequently fixed.

If you notice the JAVA NPAPI plugin is pretty much dead now, modern
browsers won't even allow you to load it.

Unfortunately the one thing we have never managed to work out a fix for
in the industry is the wetware that exists between the chair and the
keyboard :-(

But the biggest threat at the end of 2016 was most certainly IoT
devices, at least two massive botnets were formed from them and those
bloody things never get patched.

Graeme
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Hi,

How does the QDOS operating system get a Java Plugin, the only Java 
based system is SMSQmulator, which we have been is secure enough.


If the operating system is in ROM, I donot think this is going to work, 
also there is no or very limited Internet access for the QL systems and 
I do not think hacker will see QDOS/SMSQ/E as a viable target.


Regards,

Derek
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Re: [Ql-Users] Email attachments

[Graeme Gregory]

On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, at 05:47 AM, Daniele Terdina wrote:
> > Not sure how you come to that conclusion, I used to work on Java and it
> > goes through a stringent security process.
> 
> AFAIK Flash used to be the most vulnerable software (when also taking
> user base into account), but since it lost favor Java has been the top or
> one of the top for a long time.
> See for example:
> http://www.csoonline.com/article/2875535/application-security/java-is-the-biggest-vulnerability-for-us-computers.html
> 
> [http://core5.staticworld.net/images/article/2014/11/maria-trombly-headshot-closeup-100532712-byline.jpg]
> 
> Java is the biggest vulnerability for US computers | CSO
> ...
> www.csoonline.com
> Java is the biggest vulnerability for US computers Oracle's Java poses
> the single biggest security risk to US desktops, says a new report
> 

If you actually read the article thats because of the huge attack
surface of old unpatched java installations in the world. It is afterall
written by a company selling their auto patching software. Thats like
saying QDOS is really aweful because of a bug you found in the AH ROM
that was subsequently fixed.

If you notice the JAVA NPAPI plugin is pretty much dead now, modern
browsers won't even allow you to load it.

Unfortunately the one thing we have never managed to work out a fix for
in the industry is the wetware that exists between the chair and the
keyboard :-(

But the biggest threat at the end of 2016 was most certainly IoT
devices, at least two massive botnets were formed from them and those
bloody things never get patched.

Graeme
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Re: [Ql-Users] Email attachments

[Daniele Terdina]

There's no 100% security, but unzipping on a QL or emulated QL (Java-based or 
not) sounds like _extremely_ low risk, provided the uncompressed file is not 
used directly on the PC.






> Not sure how you come to that conclusion, I used to work on Java and it
> goes through a stringent security process.

AFAIK Flash used to be the most vulnerable software (when also taking user base 
into account), but since it lost favor Java has been the top or one of the top 
for a long time.
See for example: 
http://www.csoonline.com/article/2875535/application-security/java-is-the-biggest-vulnerability-for-us-computers.html

[http://core5.staticworld.net/images/article/2014/11/maria-trombly-headshot-closeup-100532712-byline.jpg]

Java is the biggest vulnerability for US computers | CSO 
...
www.csoonline.com
Java is the biggest vulnerability for US computers Oracle's Java poses the 
single biggest security risk to US desktops, says a new report




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Re: [Ql-Users] Email attachments

[Derek Stewart]

Is that part of the Psion suite...

Regards,

Derek

On 14/01/17 13:34, Dilwyn Jones wrote:

Geoff Wicks wrote:

This is off topic, but whenever I am phoned by "Microsoft tech
support" I put on my most sanctimonious voice:

"My dear boy, if the Good Lord had meant us to use computers he would
never have given us the abacus.",

I wouldn't have thought they would even dare ring you, Geoff! ;-)

Dilwyn
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Re: [Ql-Users] Email attachments

[Dilwyn Jones]

Geoff Wicks wrote:
This is off topic, but whenever I am phoned by "Microsoft tech support" 
I put on my most sanctimonious voice:


"My dear boy, if the Good Lord had meant us to use computers he would 
never have given us the abacus.",

I wouldn't have thought they would even dare ring you, Geoff! ;-)

Dilwyn
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[Geoff Wicks]

On 13/01/2017 22:40, Norman Dunbar wrote:


And I have been known to keep the "Microsoft tech support" people on the phone 
for hours! At least when they are talking to me, they are not ripping off some 
unsuspecting person.

Mind you,  I wouldn't do any of the above with windows,  even in a vm!


Cheers,
Norm.


This is off topic, but whenever I am phoned by "Microsoft tech support" 
I put on my most sanctimonious voice:


"My dear boy, if the Good Lord had meant us to use computers he would 
never have given us the abacus.",



Best Wishes,


Geoff


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Re: [Ql-Users] Email attachments

[Norman Dunbar]

Evening Christopher, 

On a Windows pc? Never open anything attached that you are suspicious of etc. 
In a QL, just have fun. I wrote a QL virus many many years ago when all viruses 
spread by floppy disc. I never released it into the wild. 

Many viruses, trojans or whatever they are called this week, are "invoices" or 
"bank payments" or "parcel delivery notes" in Word doc format. I always open 
those! In Libre Office, on a Linux host, running a Linux Virtual Machine as 
guest!

Usually there is a macro, set to run on opening the doc, and it's usually 
encoded. I have been known to take a few apart.

So far they are all pretty much the same, an http request is sent to a 
compromised server and an exe file is downloaded and executed.  Normally I send 
an email to the web site owner and the isp with details. They usually shut down 
the payload pretty damned quickly. 

Your Russian Web site could be another compromised one, the script kiddies 
don't usually host these things on their own web sites.

And you should see what details I leave for my passwords and usernames on those 
phishing Web sites. It seems that many of my private details have to do with 
their mothers sexual dalliances with camels

We had one at work the other day. At least 5 people clicked the suspicious 
link. It was a set up. The email had been sent to everyone by our security 
team. The link took the victims to a Web site  where a message advised that 
their details had been collected, they have made a huge mistake, and there 
would be words had with their bosses!

No, I wasn't a victim. :-)

And I have been known to keep the "Microsoft tech support" people on the phone 
for hours! At least when they are talking to me, they are not ripping off some 
unsuspecting person.

Mind you,  I wouldn't do any of the above with windows,  even in a vm!


Cheers,
Norm.
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Re: [Ql-Users] Email attachments

[Marcel Kilgus]

jms1 wrote:
> I would have thought not a SQmulator as it runs in java and java is not
> particularly safe.
> Can Marcel answer for QPC1 or 2?

Security is not a design goal for a QL emulator. There is no security
in SMSQDOS anyway. But unless you're personally wanted by the NSA I'm
pretty sure you're safe.

> It is suggested any virtual machine is safe and is the method used for
> testing new versions of an OS on its own operating system.

Nothing is safe if the attacker is determined and the stakes are high
enough. I'm pretty sure nobody on this list qualifies ;-)

At the conference I've been to there was a talk from somebody who has
hacked a pay TV service. I was in awe at what lengths he went to to
achieve his goal (for example he read the contents of the ROM by
dissolving the package of the security chip and read the bits using a
microscope!). This is the talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO4TNnkN64A
You stand no chance against people like him, no matter what.

> As Spies are hacking into machines can we produce a safe OS?

No. Unless you consider "it's so obscure that nobody bothers" as safe.

Marcel

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Re: [Ql-Users] Email attachments

[Wolf]

Hi,

On 13/01/2017 18:32, Christopher Cave wrote:

It is my normal practice to delete any email coming from an unknown or
suspect origin WITHOUT looking at any attachment. Today I took such an
attachment, a zip-file, and opened it with ACP in a QL-environment. There
was a .ru (Russian ?) email address embedded in  the file. My usual
approach seems justified but was the procedure I adopted safe?



You were perfectly safe.

Wolfgang
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Re: [Ql-Users] Email attachments

[Graeme Gregory]

On Fri, 13 Jan 2017, at 06:08 PM, jms1 wrote:
> Well that is an interesting point.
> 
> How safe is the virtual QL machine?
> .
> I would have thought not a SQmulator as it runs in java and java is not
> particularly safe.

Not sure how you come to that conclusion, I used to work on Java and it
goes through a stringent security process.

> Can Marcel answer for QPC1 or 2?
> 
> How about  Virtual Box running another OS.
> 
> It is suggested any virtual machine is safe and is the method used for
> testing new versions of an OS on its own operating system.
> 
> As Spies are hacking into machines can we produce a safe OS?
> George Gwilt says it was proved no a long time ago.
> 
> It would be nice to know more.
> 
So the main thing is the attacker would have to know you were using a QL
emulator to even start the attack. I know security by obscurity is not a
good thing. But the QL was pretty obscure even back in the day.

Graeme
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[jms1]

Well that is an interesting point.

How safe is the virtual QL machine?
.
I would have thought not a SQmulator as it runs in java and java is not
particularly safe.
Can Marcel answer for QPC1 or 2?

How about  Virtual Box running another OS.

It is suggested any virtual machine is safe and is the method used for
testing new versions of an OS on its own operating system.

As Spies are hacking into machines can we produce a safe OS?
George Gwilt says it was proved no a long time ago.

It would be nice to know more.


On 2017-01-13 17:32, Christopher Cave wrote:
It is my normal practice to delete any email coming from an unknown 
or
suspect origin WITHOUT looking at any attachment. Today I took such 
an
attachment, a zip-file, and opened it with ACP in a QL-environment. 
There

was a .ru (Russian ?) email address embedded in  the file. My usual
approach seems justified but was the procedure I adopted safe?

Christopher Cave

mailto:cc...@cix.co.uk

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Re: [Ql-Users] Email list about Forth on Sinclair computers

[Rod H]

If we're talking about Forth on Sinclair computers let's not forget about the 
Forth version "Tree-Forth" that was implemented on the ZX81 and the TS1000.  
This was a rom that could replace the BASIC rom as a simple "pull, plug"or 
as an addon board that allowed switching between the two.  A very nice version 
with good docs for someone wanting to start with Forth.  For the Spectrum there 
was Abersoft Forth from Melbourne House.  Also very nice.

> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 00:42:35 +0100
> From: q...@programandala.net
> To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com
> Subject: [Ql-Users] Email list about Forth on Sinclair computers
> 
> An email list has just been created to discuss the Forth programming
> language on Sinclair computers:
> 
> http://programandala.net/en.forth-sinclair.html
> 
> Any QL user with an interest in Forth is welcome. In the Spanish QL
> users group there were three of us, including me, that programmed the QL
> in Forth.
> 
> By the way, there's also a new email list to discuss Forth in Spanish:
> 
> http://programandala.net/es.forth-es.html
> 
> -- 
> Marcos Cruz
> http://programandala.net
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Re: [Ql-Users] Email list about Forth on Sinclair computers

[Marcos Cruz]

En/Je/On 2015-11-02 16:10, Rod H escribió / skribis / wrote :

> If we're talking about Forth on Sinclair computers let's not forget
> about the Forth version "Tree-Forth" that was implemented on the ZX81
> and the TS1000.  This was a rom that could replace the BASIC rom 

I never heard of it. It sounds great. A ROM is the best option. I'll try
to find the documentation of that system.

> For the Spectrum there was Abersoft Forth from Melbourne House.

This is the full disassembly I did some months ago:

http://programandala.net/en.program.abersoft_forth.html

> Also very nice.

But much nicer and powerful with this:

http://programandala.net/en.program.afera.html

;)


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http://programandala.net
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Re: [Ql-Users] email bounced back

[Kenn Van Hauen]

John,

Your e-mail prompted me to enquire why I haven’t recently received copies of 
the magazine? I didn’t receive the below mentioned e-mail either.

Many thanks,

Kenn

 On 27 Jun 2015, at 14:33, John Gilpin thegilp...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Hi all QLers,
 
 I recently sent out the eMag version of QUANTA Magazine and one of the 
 recipient's emails bounced back to me.
 
 Can anyone help me with a working email address for Philip Harvey-Smith?  The 
 address starting   afra AT aurigae.demon DOT co  DOT uk   is the one that 
 is not working.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Kind Regards,
 
 John Gilpin.
 QUANTA Membership Secretary
 and QUANTA Treasurer
 membership @quanta.org.uk
 treasurer @quanta.org.uk
 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Email advice needed

[Sjef van de Molengraaf]

On 16 Jul 2013 at 23:16, nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk wrote:

 Hi Geoff,
 
 Thunderbird I'd probably what you need. The address book lives on your
 desktop PC and not in the cloud. Pop3 and IMAPP can be set up
 depending on what your ISP has given you. 
 
Hellop all,

I am surprised that no one has mentioned Pegsusus Mail.
It is not commercial (free), constantly under development, and the address book 
lives on your 
own computer.
I use it since 1998 an never has any truble with it.

Greetings, Sjef van de Molengraaf
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Re: [Ql-Users] Email advice needed

[Geoff Wicks]

On 17/07/2013 06:19, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:

Hi,

So you need a standalone mail prog.

Thunderbird is fine, especially if you want to mix Linux  Windows.
For a windows only version, you could check out Pegasus.
Thanks to everyone who replied. The consensus was Thunderbird, so 
Thunderbird it is.


Pleased to see it is a Mozilla product. Successfully downloaded and 
imported my accounts and address book without problems.



You don't specify what a secure address book is. Do you mean it is
only kept on your machine, or do you mean it is only kept on your
machine AND encrypted?

Sorry for the lack of clarity. I meant only kept on the machine.

This is the first Thunderbird email!

Best Wishes,



Geoff

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Re: [Ql-Users] Email advice needed

[William Waugh]

I've just read (as I was about to re-install Thunderbird on this new PC)  
that it is no longer to be supported by Mozilla.
Maybe wrong of course, anyway it prompted me to look at Opera and it's  
stand alone mail program, so far it seems slick - but another start screen

All the best - Bill

On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:54:07 +0100, Geoff Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.com  
wrote:



On 17/07/2013 06:19, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote:

Hi,

So you need a standalone mail prog.

Thunderbird is fine, especially if you want to mix Linux  Windows.
For a windows only version, you could check out Pegasus.
Thanks to everyone who replied. The consensus was Thunderbird, so  
Thunderbird it is.


Pleased to see it is a Mozilla product. Successfully downloaded and  
imported my accounts and address book without problems.



You don't specify what a secure address book is. Do you mean it is
only kept on your machine, or do you mean it is only kept on your
machine AND encrypted?

Sorry for the lack of clarity. I meant only kept on the machine.

This is the first Thunderbird email!

Best Wishes,



Geoff

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Re: [Ql-Users] Email advice needed

[QL2K]

Hi Geoff,

Open Source solution should be the right solution.
I use and develop around owncloud (http://owncloud.org/) as always use more
than one computer (Laptop, Desktop, SmartPhone). But this need you get your
own server.
For PC stand alone solution, you may dig using ThunderBird as it should be
one of the latest independent mail manager.

Cheers,

Jimmy.

-Message d'origine-
De : ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com
[mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] De la part de Geoff Wicks
Envoyé : mardi 16 juillet 2013 21:56
À : ql-users
Objet : [Ql-Users] Email advice needed

I am currently replacing my 10 year old desktop and am using the situation
to reassess the programs I use to go online.

I would be grateful for any suggestions people could have about email
programs. In particular I need a program with its own secure address book.

My problem is that btinternet is Yahoo under an assumed name and Yahoo does
have security issues. Both Yahoo and Microsoft seem to want you to put your
address book on their servers and, for obvious security reasons, I want my
address book to remain firmly on my own machine,

Best Wishes,



Geoff

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Re: [Ql-Users] Email advice needed

[QL-MyLink (f/fh)]

Hi Geoff,

Re: My problem is that btinternet is Yahoo under an assumed name and Yahoo 
does have security issues. Both Yahoo and Microsoft seem to want you to put 
your address book on their servers and, for obvious security reasons, I want 
my address book to remain firmly on my own machine,



Like you, I would never choose either (or any similar web-based servers).  I 
(attempt to) keep my address book etc 'safe'  by using desk-top e-mail via 
an e-mail client program.  For years, I have been very happy with it, and 
with my non-mainstream ISP (as are all my 'clients' where I have installed 
the same set-up).  I dread helping those who have problems and/or are very 
busy with web-based accounts - and that dread is very hard-earned!


Of course, e-mail direct should you like more detail.

Greetings to all,

John in Wales 


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[nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk]

Hi Geoff,

Thunderbird I'd probably what you need. The address book lives on your desktop 
PC and not in the cloud. Pop3 and IMAPP can be set up depending on what your 
ISP has given you. 

There are versions for Linux, Windows and I think, Mac. I use Linux version, 
and have done - happily - for years.

I have not tried any others as I am perfectly happy with Thunderbird. I have 
about 5 different accounts set up using it.

HTH

Cheers,
Norm..

Sent from my HTC

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Re: [Ql-Users] Email advice needed

[Timothy Swenson]

I also use Thunderbird and have been for about (checking oldest e-mail) 
... Nov. 2007.  Been working like a champ.  Just remember to find out 
where the Thunderbird files are (mailbox, address book, etc) so you can 
back them up.  I also use the add on that provides Calendar and task 
lists.  It works the same for Windows, Mac and Linux.


Another option is that some web browsers have an e-mail client built in. 
 Before Thunderbird, I used Opera and it had an e-mail client.


Tim Swenson
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Re: [Ql-Users] Email advice needed

[Wolfgang Lenerz]

Hi,

So you need a standalone mail prog.

Thunderbird is fine, especially if you want to mix Linux  Windows.
For a windows only version, you could check out Pegasus.

You don't specify what a secure address book is. Do you mean it is
only kept on your machine, or do you mean it is only kept on your
machine AND encrypted?

Wolfgang

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Re: [Ql-Users] Email address change

[Laurence Reeves]

Tony Firshman wrote:
 I see.  I am *very* glad I have disabled these fake smilies (8-)# - I 
 guess then mine has to be written: (8- )# to avoid a fake one
Neither of those show as a graphic smiley. I'm using Seamonkey. I don't 
have any extra smiley packages.

BTW, I discovered the other day that Smiley central is an indirect 
source of malware. They have a clear statement of policy that they do 
not do any advert/tracking/malware themselves. However, there's a little 
sub-clause where they disown any responsibility for what the sites they 
link to might send you.

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ASC Decoder at http://www32.brinkster.com/ascdecode/

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Re: [Ql-Users] Email address change

[Tony Firshman]

Laurence Reeves wrote:
 Tony Firshman wrote:
 Odd.  The echo I got of your mail,including the --  looked absolutely 
 fine
 
 The marvels of these conventions... this is because the insertion of a 
 =\n at any point in an email is a valid way of breaking it up into 
 lines that will pass happily through mail transport agents that restrict 
 lines to less than 80 characters.
 
 The =\n can then be dropped by intelligent processing a a later stage. 
 This is what happens within MIME format stuff and attachments. Hence 
 those lines of image/executable/other files that have been converted to 
 radix 40 lines of characters, where every line ends with an equals sign, 
 because all the lines get joined back together (then decrypted, etc).
 
 What seems to have happened is that some part of the insert/remove of 
 =\n bit got screwed up, and left them in. Strictly speaking, I suspect 
 out mail agents  probably should have shown them, but guessed that they 
 were wrong, so omitted them. A bit like the way *bold*, _underline_ and 
 /italic/ are a cheat - and the same for graphic smilies - a colon and 
 a close parenthesis - :)
 
I see.  I am *very* glad I have disabled these fake smilies (8-)# - I 
guess then mine has to be written: (8- )# to avoid a fake one.

Tony

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Re: [Ql-Users] Email address change

[Dilwyn Jones]

 My silly mistake. I wasn't really thinking, when I looked up the 
 domain
 name dilwynjones.co.uk, that it might not be registered to another
 Dilwyn Jones, viz:

Dilwyn Jones
Honeypots
8 Highclere
Sunninghill
Ascot
Berkshire
SL5 0AA
GB

 Registered a year ago, for two years, with ukreg.com, but there's no
 website.
 It may be just used for email.
There is a namesake who writes Egyptian archaeology books, though I 
think he's in Cambridge. Always comes up when you google my name!

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[norman]

Hi Tony,

 I have about six domain with them, and have *never* been advised 
 about renewal in advance. I just get a paid invoice after the
 event. What did you do to get notification?
Nothing that I can remember - I signed up for a single domain (which came with 
a free sub-domain - whatever one of those is) at £1.99 for a year and I added 
the Emila for an additional 0.69 per month. Total bill in 2004 was £14.41 whihc 
is 2 years for the domain and 1 year for email plus VAT.

In 2005, I was charged exactly the same price again fro email (£9.73) and 
nothing for the domain. Then in 2006 I was charged £14.41 for another two years 
of domain and 1 of email.

So, for the last three years no increase in costs at all.

All I have done is pay with my credit card and allow 1 and 1 to continue to 
charge me for as long as I say so.



 The issue of them increasing the fee and heavily disguising it on
 the web page is there for all to see.
Maybe your packages are different to mine. I don't have hosting with 1 and 1, 
just domain and email.


 I didn't mention all the problems.  Prior to the online cancellation
 ...
Strange that it should take 6 months to sort that out - it does sound just a 
little excessive. And, not a little silly as well - when you send them 
something far more secure that they are asking for!
 

 I will not though deal with a company who can increase their fees
 without even bothering to tell me, and then disguise this on their
 web pages.
Well, I have never had a problem so far. This doens't mean that I won't suffer 
in the future - thanks for the heads up.

 ... especially as 123 is now cheaper.
I have not yet tried 123, but if 1 and 1 do give problems, I shall.

Thanks.

Cheers,
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[norman]

Hi Tony,

  ... especially as 123 is now cheaper.
 I have not yet tried 123, but if 1 and 1 do give problems, I shall.

Just managed a quick look, 123 are charging £2.59 per year for .co.uk domains 
and 'from' £0.83 per month for emails - this reduces to £0.67 per mailbox per 
month if I buy 10 mailboxes. At 1 and 1 I get 5 mailboxes (and a reforwarding 
service) for one payment of £0.67 plus VAT.

I note that VAT is on top, so it looks like 123, for me anyway, are not quite 
as cheap as 1 and 1 - for my needs.

Just a quick look - I'm in a coffee break on a course at the moment - they very 
kindly allow webmail to be accessed and used!



Cheers,
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[Tony Firshman]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Norman/
 ... especially as 123 is now cheaper.
 I have not yet tried 123, but if 1 and 1 do give problems, I shall.
 
 Just managed a quick look, 123 are charging £2.59 per year for .co.uk domains 
 and 'from' £0.83 per month for emails - this reduces to £0.67 per mailbox per 
 month if I buy 10 mailboxes. At 1 and 1 I get 5 mailboxes (and a reforwarding 
 service) for one payment of £0.67 plus VAT.
 
 I note that VAT is on top, so it looks like 123, for me anyway, are not quite 
 as cheap as 1 and 1 - for my needs.
 
 Just a quick look - I'm in a coffee break on a course at the moment - they 
 very kindly allow webmail to be accessed and used!
Oneandone hide the fact they now charge £2.99 a year plus VAT for 
domains.  Have you taken this into account?

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[Dilwyn Jones]

Dilwyn... why can't you use your *dilwynjones.co.uk* domain for 
email,
seeing as that's already registered to you? If Fasthosts are being a
pain, just transfer the domain to someone sensible.

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Eh? I never had that one!

I'm definitely not the only dilwynjones in Wales, it's quite a common 
name here.
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[Tony Firshman]

Dilwyn Jones wrote:
Laurence Reeves wrote:
 Dilwyn... why can't you use your *dilwynjones.co.uk* domain for 
 email,
 seeing as that's already registered to you? If Fasthosts are being a
 pain, just transfer the domain to someone sensible.
 
 Eh? I never had that one!

  I'm definitely not the only dilwynjones in Wales, it's quite a common
  name here.
He he - your mailer completely screwed up your reply.  Not only did it 
not add the quote character '' to Lau's email, but it did not strip out 
Lau's sig (he had the correct '-- ' before his sig).
This meant I had to edit Lau's text and manually copy your reply.

What a hassle!  You ought to configure your mailer for this mailing list!

Anyway, dilwynjones.org.uk *is* free for around £3 a year from 123.

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[Laurence Reeves]

 Dilwyn... why can't you use your *dilwynjones.co.uk* domain for 
 email,
 seeing as that's already registered to you? If Fasthosts are being a
 pain, just transfer the domain to someone sensible.

   

Laurence Reeves wrote:

 Dilwyn... why can't you use your *dilwynjones.co.uk* domain for 
 email, seeing as that's already registered to you? If Fasthosts are 
 being a pain, just transfer the domain to someone sensible.
Dilwyn Jones wrote:
 Eh? I never had that one! I'm definitely not the only dilwynjones in 
 Wales, it's quite a common name here.

My silly mistake. I wasn't really thinking, when I looked up the domain 
name dilwynjones.co.uk, that it might not be registered to another 
Dilwyn Jones, viz:

Dilwyn Jones
Honeypots
8 Highclere
Sunninghill
Ascot
Berkshire
SL5 0AA
GB

Registered a year ago, for two years, with ukreg.com, but there's no 
website.
It may be just used for email.

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[Laurence Reeves]

Tony Firshman wrote:
 Dilwyn Jones wrote:
 Laurence Reeves wrote:
   
 Dilwyn... why can't you use your *dilwynjones.co.uk* domain for 
 email,
 seeing as that's already registered to you? If Fasthosts are being a
 pain, just transfer the domain to someone sensible.

   
  Eh? I never had that one!

   I'm definitely not the only dilwynjones in Wales, it's quite a common
   name here.
 He he - your mailer completely screwed up your reply.  Not only did it 
 not add the quote character '' to Lau's email, but it did not strip out 
 Lau's sig (he had the correct '-- ' before his sig).
 This meant I had to edit Lau's text and manually copy your reply.

 What a hassle!  You ought to configure your mailer for this mailing list!

 Anyway, dilwynjones.org.uk *is* free for around £3 a year from 123.

 Tony
   
Not Dilwyn's fault at all.

For some reason, something in the list handling chose to turn some plain 
newlines  (\n) into equals signs with two newlines (=\n\n). That 
occurred to the post I sent (which I keep local copies of) when it 
appeared on the list.

In particular, the signature introducer (a single line with precisely 
two hyphens and one space: -- ) was turned into a line with  two 
hyphens, a space and an equals sign (-- =), which means nothing special.

I've no idea what caused it.

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Re: [Ql-Users] Email address change

[Tony Firshman]

Laurence Reeves wrote:
 Tony Firshman wrote:
 Dilwyn Jones wrote:
 Laurence Reeves wrote:
   
 Dilwyn... why can't you use your *dilwynjones.co.uk* domain for 
 email,
 seeing as that's already registered to you? If Fasthosts are being a
 pain, just transfer the domain to someone sensible.

   
  Eh? I never had that one!

   I'm definitely not the only dilwynjones in Wales, it's quite a common
   name here.
 He he - your mailer completely screwed up your reply.  Not only did it 
 not add the quote character '' to Lau's email, but it did not strip out 
 Lau's sig (he had the correct '-- ' before his sig).
 This meant I had to edit Lau's text and manually copy your reply.

 What a hassle!  You ought to configure your mailer for this mailing list!

 Anyway, dilwynjones.org.uk *is* free for around £3 a year from 123.

 Tony
   
 Not Dilwyn's fault at all.
 
 For some reason, something in the list handling chose to turn some plain 
 newlines  (\n) into equals signs with two newlines (=\n\n). That 
 occurred to the post I sent (which I keep local copies of) when it 
 appeared on the list.
 
 In particular, the signature introducer (a single line with precisely 
 two hyphens and one space: -- ) was turned into a line with  two 
 hyphens, a space and an equals sign (-- =), which means nothing special.
 
 I've no idea what caused it.
 
Odd.  The echo I got of your mail,including the --  looked absolutely 
fine.

Tony

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[Tony Firshman]

Laurence Reeves wrote:
 Tony Firshman wrote:
 Dilwyn Jones wrote:
   
 I will be closing my Tesco.net email account soon, so please update
 your email address book.

 Please ensure that all emails to me are sent to:

 dilwyn AT uk6 DOT net

 with immediate effect. This is a Freeola email address, the company
 which has been hosting my website for some time now.

 The message form on my website will of course continue to work (famous
 last words!)

 
 You ought to buy a domain name and re-direct from that.  You will then 
 have the *one* email address for ever...

 jones though is taken (8-)#
 dilwynjones.org.uk is available
 I couldn't resist saying... *dilwynjones.org.uk* for the huge cost 
 of... £2.99 a year.
£2.99 is oneandone.co.uk I susect. It is £2.59 from 123-reg.co.uk. 
There are many aspects of oneandone I don't like, and Ben tells me 123 
are much better for configuration.  Oneandone used to be £1.99.  The 50% 
increase is very well disguised.  They don't mention price until well 
into the deal.  Even then they give first year free, so first bill looks 
much like the pre-increase bill.  Also confirmation email makes no 
mention of price.

Even worse, they give no warning of expiry, and there is no mention of 
dates on admin pages. One is reminded when the next deduction is made 
from one's credit card. When I asked them for this information they 
simply referred me to whois.domaintools.com .  Even worse they give *no* 
information on how to cancel on the admin pages.  After many many emails 
they finally disclosed a secret URL.

They also fail to remind one to update credit card info (like expiry 
date).  One simply gets an aggressive email and an invoice saying the 
service will be shut down in a week or so.

A company to be avoided.
 
 Of course, you get the website redirect at the same time, then you 
 forget all this chopping and changing.
 
 Dilwyn... why can't you use your *dilwynjones.co.uk* domain for email, 
 seeing as that's already registered to you? If Fasthosts are being a 
 pain, just transfer the domain to someone sensible.
 
Tony

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[norman]

Hi Tony,

my domain, dunbar-it.co.uk, has been throughh 1  1 for as long as I've had it. 
They are far cheaper for a .co.uk than the company my wife used for her, now 
lapsed, they were charging £25 for two years.

I've had no problems yet with tech support and I agreed to allowing 1  1 to 
debit my credit card as and when. I always have received an email with details 
before it occurred.

I'm puzzled as to your problems !

And, I have 5 2 GB inboxes supplied with my account for £0.69 per month. Very 
useful. Even Demon (for whom I had the utmost respect) only allowed me to have 
a single mailbox of far less space that each one from 1  1.

Just my current opinion based on my dealings with them - they have been most 
helpful and prompt to reply to my emails and support queries.



Cheers,
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[Tony Firshman]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 my domain, dunbar-it.co.uk, has been throughh 1  1 for as long as I've had 
 it. They are far cheaper for a .co.uk than the company my wife used for her, 
 now lapsed, they were charging £25 for two years.
 
 I've had no problems yet with tech support and I agreed to allowing 1  1 to 
 debit my credit card as and when. I always have received an email with 
 details before it occurred.
 
 I'm puzzled as to your problems !
I have about six domain with them, and have *never* been advised about 
renewal in advance. I just get a paid invoice after the event. What did 
you do to get notification?

The issue of them increasing the fee and heavily disguising it on the 
web page is there for all to see.

I didn't mention all the problems.  Prior to the online cancellation 
facility, albeit *secret*, they required a faxed form.  I sent an image 
copy by email as fax is about the least secure and most easily forged 
method.  It used to take maybe 9 months for them to agree to accept the 
email, and from the email address I registered with them!
 
 And, I have 5 2 GB inboxes supplied with my account for £0.69 per month. Very 
 useful. Even Demon (for whom I had the utmost respect) only allowed me to 
 have a single mailbox of far less space that each one from 1  1.
 
 Just my current opinion based on my dealings with them - they have been most 
 helpful and prompt to reply to my emails and support queries.
You are very lucky.

I will not though deal with a company who can increase their fees 
without even bothering to tell me, and then disguise this on their web 
pages.
... especially as 123 is now cheaper.

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[Tony Firshman]

Dilwyn Jones wrote:
 I will be closing my Tesco.net email account soon, so please update
 your email address book.
 
 Please ensure that all emails to me are sent to:
 
 dilwyn AT uk6 DOT net
 
 with immediate effect. This is a Freeola email address, the company
 which has been hosting my website for some time now.
 
 The message form on my website will of course continue to work (famous
 last words!)
 
You ought to buy a domain name and re-direct from that.  You will then 
have the *one* email address for ever...

jones though is taken (8-)#
dilwynjones.org.uk is available.

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[Laurence Reeves]

Tony Firshman wrote:
 Dilwyn Jones wrote:
   
 I will be closing my Tesco.net email account soon, so please update
 your email address book.

 Please ensure that all emails to me are sent to:

 dilwyn AT uk6 DOT net

 with immediate effect. This is a Freeola email address, the company
 which has been hosting my website for some time now.

 The message form on my website will of course continue to work (famous
 last words!)

 
 You ought to buy a domain name and re-direct from that.  You will then 
 have the *one* email address for ever...

 jones though is taken (8-)#
 dilwynjones.org.uk is available
I couldn't resist saying... *dilwynjones.org.uk* for the huge cost 
of... £2.99 a year.

Of course, you get the website redirect at the same time, then you 
forget all this chopping and changing.

Dilwyn... why can't you use your *dilwynjones.co.uk* domain for email, 
seeing as that's already registered to you? If Fasthosts are being a 
pain, just transfer the domain to someone sensible.

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Re: [ql-users] email address Phil Borman

[Dilwyn Jones]

Ralf Reköndt wrote:


 Unfortunately, the originals of some of my most used programs are 
 lost
 during moving home twice. They hopefully remain on my ST, otherwise 
 I'm
 lost. But the sources of sedit disks are all intact, I have tried 
 that on
 another PC 8^). I think it's *really* time for a bigger editing 
 window and a
 Move option. Even GD2 is a dream to use. The only thing I really 
 miss are
 real harddirectories. Marcel may know ;-)).
As a regular user of S-Edit, Ralf, I really want to see a larger 
window and Move option in it.

I will expect to receive it before the end of the year, OK ;-)

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Re: [ql-users] email address Phil Borman

[Ralf Reköndt]

Today, I received the long awaited USB Diskdrive. Works good, unfortunately, 
it takes a second ore two until it reacts after each command. A few disks 
seem to be damaged (not with all files) but I hope the best. SPK built files 
(just tried QL.Gardener) seem not to run under the QPCdemo (but ran unter 
ST!).

Will look after all sources. But transfer of all QL files from my ST are 
more important. I try to do my best.

Cheers...Ralf R.

- Original Message - 
From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] email address Phil Borman




As a regular user of S-Edit, Ralf, I really want to see a larger
window and Move option in it.

I will expect to receive it before the end of the year, OK ;-)

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Re: [ql-users] email address Phil Borman

[James Hunkins]

Often a damaged file on a USB drive is because the drive was removed  
before the file was completely copied to it.  Or the system was  
powered off.

Some drives have a flashing LED to indicate when it is being written  
to.  I use this feature to verify that it is safe to remove the USB  
drive.

jim

On Nov 24, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Ralf Reköndt wrote:

 Today, I received the long awaited USB Diskdrive. Works good,  
 unfortunately,
 it takes a second ore two until it reacts after each command. A few  
 disks
 seem to be damaged (not with all files) but I hope the best. SPK  
 built files
 (just tried QL.Gardener) seem not to run under the QPCdemo (but ran  
 unter
 ST!).

 Will look after all sources. But transfer of all QL files from my  
 ST are
 more important. I try to do my best.

 Cheers...Ralf R.

 - Original Message -
 From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [ql-users] email address Phil Borman




 As a regular user of S-Edit, Ralf, I really want to see a larger
 window and Move option in it.

 I will expect to receive it before the end of the year, OK ;-)

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[Ralf Reköndt]

Hi Norman,

I have never left seriously ;-)) Always read the News. And as QPC2 is now 
such a great enhancemant, time for one of [\inside on] those rich germans 
(;-))) [\inside off] to do it again. I still have to wait for a USB 
Diskdrive (nope on my DELL) to transfer files from my STQL. It wasn't 
switched on for years. I hope, the files are still on the 60MB Rodime. 
Haven't done a WINback from all directories 8-(.

Unfortunately, the originals of some of my most used programs are lost 
during moving home twice. They hopefully remain on my ST, otherwise I'm 
lost. But the sources of sedit disks are all intact, I have tried that on 
another PC 8^). I think it's *really* time for a bigger editing window and a 
Move option. Even GD2 is a dream to use. The only thing I really miss are 
real harddirectories. Marcel may know ;-)).

Cheers...Ralf R.

- Original Message - 
From: Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] email address Phil Borman


Ralf Reköndt wrote:

SNIP

Hi Ralf, didn't know you were still around. How are things these days then ?

Haven't heard much from you since way back in the good old days of DJC
when we were both budding authours !

Hope you are well.


Cheers,
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Re: [ql-users] email address Phil Borman

[Φοίβος Ρ. Ντόκ\\ος]

Την Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:16:05 -0500,ο(η) Ralf Reköndt  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] έγραψε:

 Hi,

 does anyone knows the actual email address of Phil Borman?

 Regards...Ralf R.
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Phil very rarely replies any more... Roy will probably have the most up to  
date info

Ffibys
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[Tony Firshman]

On  Tue, 22 Nov 2005 at 19:18:05, gwicks wrote:
(ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])

I don't have the address myself, but I understand that if you do a Google
search of, say, Phil Borman dentist you will get his details straight
away. Not sure it it contains an email address.
Very good suggestion:
phil AT borman DOT org DOT uk

I don't know why I am bothering to disguise it as www.nhs.uk doesn't!

Ron Dunnett pops up further down!
Old QLers never fade away (8-)#

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Re: [ql-users] Email in SBASIC

[- Aucun -]

 150 OPEN_IN #8,tcp_server$:110
 160 out%=2
 170 crlf$=CHR$(13)CHR$(10)
 180 PRINT#8, USER user$crlf$;
 190 IF NOT(CheckResponse) THEN STOP
 200 PRINT#8, PASS password$crlf$;
[snip]
 Marcel

I have not tested it so I do not know if it would work here. But one 
question: how can you PRINT to a channel open for input?

Arnould


WebMail / Magic OnLine
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Re: Re: [ql-users] Email in SBASIC

[dilwyn.jones]

  150 OPEN_IN #8,tcp_server$:110
  160 out%=2
  170 crlf$=CHR$(13)CHR$(10)
  180 PRINT#8, USER user$crlf$;
  190 IF NOT(CheckResponse) THEN STOP
  200 PRINT#8, PASS password$crlf$;
 [snip]
  Marcel
 
 I have not tested it so I do not know if it would work here. But one 
 question: how can you PRINT to a channel open for input?
 
 Arnould
I seem to remember it's not a directory device as we understand it, so the 
usual open keys are not the same here.

Dilwyn Jones

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Re: [ql-users] Email in SBASIC

[Marcel Kilgus]

- Aucun - wrote:
 I have not tested it so I do not know if it would work here. But one
 question: how can you PRINT to a channel open for input?

Misleading name, the TCP device has other definitions for the various
open keys and make the connection corresponds to open input
channel on other devices (I don't quite like that, but I haven't
designed it).

Marcel

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Re: [ql-users] Email in SBASIC

[Dent]

Hi again

By the way don't worry about trying either Marcels or my version of the
programs on your mail account. All mails are left in takt for you to
download in the usual way after previewing them.

If you do spot a mail you would rather not download the command to
delete a mail is DELE n where n is the number of the mail you wish to
delete. You could add your own lines.

Marcels version has added some polish :-)
now what about some GD2 colour someone ;-)

Jon.

P.S. more info at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/std/std53.html

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Re: [ql-users] Email in SBASIC

[Phoebus Dokos]

 Sun, 30 Jan 2005 20:48:30 -,() Dilwyn Jones  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] /wrote:

Jon, should this work equally on soql, QPC2 v3.30 and uQLx TCP/IP?
Dilwyn Jones
That will work on QPC 3.30, QemuLator 2.3.2 and 2.3.3 and uQLx but NOT on  
soql as there's no tcp device.
However this is really a simplified version of the qlpop3 application  
which is written in C. So for all purposes that already works under soQL.  
(Somewhat ;-)

Phoebus
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Re: [ql-users] Email in SBASIC

[Dent]

- Original Message - 
From: Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Email in SBASIC


 Jon, should this work equally on soql, QPC2 v3.30 and uQLx TCP/IP?
 
 Dilwyn Jones
 
snip

It should work on uQLx. soQL doesn't have a TCP_ device as jet.
The device driver itself would be quite simple as its not a directory
device. But without an underlying operating system as on an emulator
it's difficult to see how to get the connection made while the device
driver is in supervisor mode and soQLengin (daemon) can't run. 

Jon.
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[Marcel Kilgus]

Dent wrote:
 It should work on uQLx. soQL doesn't have a TCP_ device as jet. The
 device driver itself would be quite simple as its not a directory
 device. But without an underlying operating system as on an emulator
 it's difficult to see how to get the connection made while the
 device driver is in supervisor mode and soQLengin (daemon) can't
 run.

Connections on QPC and uQLx are done asynchronously, so it's actually
the *next* call to the I/O interface that will block until the
connection is done (and blocking just means is it done yet? No? Then
back to SMSQ/E). Whether you poll the host OS or your daemon at that
point shouldn't really matter, I guess.

Marcel

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Re: [ql-users] email attachments

[Dilwyn Jones]

I also get these, as they usually have an empty subject line I tried 
to block them via OE's filters by rejecting an empty string in the 
subject line, wouldn't work though, same thing in Thunderbird you 
can mark them as junk but it wont work with the next one to arrive, 
it a dodgy strategy anyway as sometimes genuine sender forget to 
fill the subject line.

All the best - Bill
OE's filters are a bit hit and miss anyway. I've never really 
understood the mechanism, because I have certain phrases and keywords 
set up to delete spam, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. 
Example: if the subject line is free porn it should delete it off 
the server and not even bother sending it to me. Sometimes it does, 
sometimes emails with exactly that line appear. Weird.

Should invest in a decent anti spam, but even the Symantec one at work 
doesn't do very well, so I doubt anything I can afford will be of much 
use. The majority of spam has the same or similar subject lines with 
the only real changes being the occasional deliberate misspelling or 
insertion of an accented character or something.

I could probably do better by taking Geoff's idea of rejecting 
anything that hasn't got QL or Quanta in the subject line.

Blank ones get deleted without a second glance here. AVG7 does a 
decent job of catching the viruses as they arrive, between AVG7 and 
having the preview pane disabled, M$ security patches and a bit of 
common sense with emails from people I don't know and not getting too 
hot under the collar about general spam (as opposed to drugs and porn 
ones which do annoy me) I seem to be doing OK at the moment.

My mobile has been getting some silly texts from some under-18s disco 
club or something called KAOS lately. As they seem to be bona-fide (I 
know someone who knows of them), I asked via their website for them to 
remove me from their lists as I am not under 18, am not in the area of 
the gigs they advertise, have never so much as shown an interest in 
them, the texts are pointless to me and so on. I still don't know if 
O2 gave them my number, or if they simply bombard all possible numbers 
with their junk or if I now have a mobile number which used to belong 
to someone who was a customer of theirs. Or maybe one of the 
disgruntled former colleagues whom I gave evidence against when they 
were sacked for theft have done this in revenge. The texts do seem to 
have stopped, but whether that's just because it's the quiet christmas 
period I don't know.

Amazes me that people are prepared to waste their time pestering 
people like me who have never and never will knowingly respond to junk 
mail/email/texts. Always amazes me how people take the attitude that 
they'll do something just because it can be done, and no though 
whatsoever to right, wrong or morality! Mind you, many people have 
been gullible enough to fall for Nigerian email scams, ebay I'll send 
you cheque for 10 times the price, you send me 9 times the price back 
and sure enough the cheque bounces and gets charged against the 
customer's account even though it appeared in the customer's account 4 
days after being banked as though it had been cleared.

With junk mail and email I take the attitude that if they have to 
reach out to me in this way, their product is obviously such a lot of 
crap that nobody in their right mind would buy it of their own free 
will.

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Re: [ql-users] email attachments

[Tony Firshman]

On  Fri, 31 Dec 2004 at 03:10:15, Dilwyn Jones wrote:
(ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED])

 snip

Amazes me that people are prepared to waste their time pestering people
like me who have never and never will knowingly respond to junk
mail/email/texts. Always amazes me how people take the attitude that
they'll do something just because it can be done, and no though
whatsoever to right, wrong or morality! Mind you, many people have been
gullible enough to fall for Nigerian email scams, ebay I'll send you
cheque for 10 times the price, you send me 9 times the price back and
sure enough the cheque bounces and gets charged against the customer's
account even though it appeared in the customer's account 4 days after
being banked as though it had been cleared.
The banks have finally admitted there is no such thing as a cleared
cheque.
There are well documented cases of them debiting people's accounts up to
2 years after a cheque has been 'cleared'.  This was reported on R4 'You
and Yours and Money Programme. A interviewee from the banks admitted
this.  They reserve the right to claim money back on bad cheques without
time limit.  They say in some circumstances, with complicated fraud, it
can take years to come to light.

The only way I would accept a large amount of money by 'cheque' is a
banker's draft or building society cheque.  However there are plenty of
examples of people using stolen building society cheques and banker's
drafts, so they need clearing too.  At least once they have cleared,
they are sure to be OK.

With junk mail and email I take the attitude that if they have to reach
out to me in this way, their product is obviously such a lot of crap
that nobody in their right mind would buy it of their own free will.
Even worse are junk phone calls.
I am sure you are pestered by these, including recorded voices
announcing me as a 'winner'.

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Re: [ql-users] email attachments

[Dilwyn Jones]

With junk mail and email I take the attitude that if they have to 
reach
out to me in this way, their product is obviously such a lot of crap
that nobody in their right mind would buy it of their own free will.
Even worse are junk phone calls.
I am sure you are pestered by these, including recorded voices
announcing me as a 'winner'.
Tony
I did get one which announced me as winner - prize dinner with Tony 
Firshman after a Quanta Workshop. Sadly, that was a joke by another 
QLer!

I'm registered with Telephone Preference Service so don't get many at 
home, but we do get them quite a lot at work. The most annoying part 
is the silence at the start of a call while the computer generating 
the call desperately tries to find a free call centre operative who 
barely speaks English or plays the recorded voice. Always amazes me 
that these companies think you'll buy from them if you don't even 
understand the caller speaking

Stuff them, put them on hold to run up their bills, their computer 
flags it as a long call, so successful so they keep trying you and 
you do the same to them over and over again to waste their time and 
money, with them on hold there's plenty of lines to allow other calls 
to continue being received. Alternatively, just route them direct to 
my boss's mobile to annoy him and run up their costs even more ;-))

--
Dilwyn Jones

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Re: [ql-users] email attachments

[gwicks]

- Original Message - 
From: Dilwyn Jones
To: QL Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:42 AM
Subject: [ql-users] email attachments


OK, I know I'm asking for it with Lookout Excess, but anyone know why the 
attachment indicator paperclip shows on emails with no attachment. I go 
into properties and it says no attachment.

I generally delete such emails without reading them, so may well have 
deleted some QLers emails needlessly.

I have also been getting these occasionally. They are always spam and I 
assume it is one of the spammers new tricks.

Thus I don't think you have deleted QL related emails accidentally. 
Occasionally I do do that or even structurally block a genuine QL emailer, 
but I always do a double check by looking in my delete box.

It is a good practice when emailing another QL-er privately to always 
include a keyword such as QL or Quanta in the subject title.

Best Wishes,
Geoff 

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[Bill Waugh]

gwicks wrote:
- Original Message - From: Dilwyn Jones
To: QL Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:42 AM
Subject: [ql-users] email attachments

OK, I know I'm asking for it with Lookout Excess, but anyone know why 
the attachment indicator paperclip shows on emails with no attachment. 
I go into properties and it says no attachment.

I generally delete such emails without reading them, so may well have 
deleted some QLers emails needlessly.

I have also been getting these occasionally. They are always spam and I 
assume it is one of the spammers new tricks.

Thus I don't think you have deleted QL related emails accidentally. 
Occasionally I do do that or even structurally block a genuine QL 
emailer, but I always do a double check by looking in my delete box.

It is a good practice when emailing another QL-er privately to always 
include a keyword such as QL or Quanta in the subject title.

Best Wishes,
Geoff
I also get these, as they usually have an empty subject line I tried to 
block them via OE's filters by rejecting an empty string in the subject 
line, wouldn't work though, same thing in Thunderbird you can mark them 
as junk but it wont work with the next one to arrive, it a dodgy 
strategy anyway as sometimes genuine sender forget to fill the subject line.

All the best - Bill
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Re: [ql-users] Email to Natsa

[gwicks]

- Original Message - 
From: Roy wood
Subject: [ql-users] Email to Natsa


 I have been trying to send an email to Nasta but all the addresses I
 have, including the one he said it would change to and the one he used
 last on this list seem to bounce. If you are reading this can you
 contact me?


Try zeljko.nastasic @ zg . hetnet . hr

(without the spaces, of course)

I had one bounce back with a message for the server that the above was the
new one. This seemed to get through OK,

Best Wishes,
Geoff


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Re: [ql-users] Email problem

[Davide Santachiara]

Dear Jochen,

From information I have got from Gino when attending the 2003 Italian meeting he was 
not using anymore email accounts (?). I only have his phone number and address.

Kind Regards

Davide



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Re: [ql-users] Email problem

[SMSQ - Jochen Merz]

Thanks - seems to have gone through this time.
Cheers   Jochen
Davide Santachiara wrote:
The email address is actually
ginosestilliATjumpyDOTit
without the dot between gino and sestilli
(I have called Gino on the phone to have this information)
Please let me know whether this works or not
Davide


Dear DAvide,
well, Gino SENT me an email asking for some questions.
Do you see him/speak to him? In this case, please let him
know that all mails to him bounce.
Cheers   Jochen

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Re: [ql-users] Email problems

[Malcolm Cadman]

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike MacNamara 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

Malcolm

PPS.
level of access, is at user level, use tools on OE, goto advanced and change
smtp port no. to 4xx (hint).
OK, thanks.

I am not a user of OE, thankfully :-) ... I have Demon's Turnpike.

Although I hope that your tips are helpful to those having a similar 
problem.

- Original Message -
From: Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Email problems

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike
MacNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I know that AOL in early 2004 put in a spam blocking system at the ISP
before it reaches the user.  Which has been quite effective ( although a
few still inevitable get through ).
Maybe your email to the list was being treated as 'spam' ?
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[Malcolm Cadman]

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike MacNamara 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

Yes as far as I can find out, the spam blockers they are using on port 25
are word specific, to the extent of becoming ludicrous.
Every forward to ourselves or others was blocked. Anything with a picture,
Any mail containing any one of a list of words a mile long. This email
woulde certainly be blocked.
Your ISP should be able to give you another smtp port no.  The other simple
way to beat it is to use an address that is OK,   On an address that is
afflicted, (on OE) goto accounts, select account, then servers, then at
bottom of page, ' My server requires authentication' tick box, then click
settings beside it, enter name and password for clear address. That will
direct the SMTP through clear account. So if its Freeserve blocking, enter a
freeserve account name and password.
Umm ... life isn't it ... ?

I suppose they will get it sorted, eventually.

- Original Message -
From: Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Email problems
no blocking. No problems..
OK if you have the level of access to be able to do that.  Which has
obviously solved the problem.
I know that AOL in early 2004 put in a spam blocking system at the ISP
before it reaches the user.  Which has been quite effective ( although a
few still inevitable get through ).
Maybe your email to the list was being treated as 'spam' ?
--
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[Jonathan Dent]

Mike MacNamara wrote:

Hi

We have had a problem with SMTP sending to various locations, as you say a
blocking is being used. However, I discovered, that freeserve/Wanadoo, and
others are blocking mail not from themselves. Solution change the SMTP port
No from 25 to one that will get through,
Regards

Sorry I don't understand this.
How do freeserve/Wanadoo block our mails? If we don't use them.
How can we reach an SMTP server on a port other than 25?
Jon.




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Re: [ql-users] Email problems

[Mike MacNamara]

Yes as far as I can find out, the spam blockers they are using on port 25
are word specific, to the extent of becoming ludicrous.
Every forward to ourselves or others was blocked. Anything with a picture,
Any mail containing any one of a list of words a mile long. This email
woulde certainly be blocked.

Your ISP should be able to give you another smtp port no.  The other simple
way to beat it is to use an address that is OK,   On an address that is
afflicted, (on OE) goto accounts, select account, then servers, then at
bottom of page, ' My server requires authentication' tick box, then click
settings beside it, enter name and password for clear address. That will
direct the SMTP through clear account. So if its Freeserve blocking, enter a
freeserve account name and password.

cheers

mike
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message - 
From: Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Email problems


 no blocking. No problems..

 OK if you have the level of access to be able to do that.  Which has
 obviously solved the problem.

 I know that AOL in early 2004 put in a spam blocking system at the ISP
 before it reaches the user.  Which has been quite effective ( although a
 few still inevitable get through ).

 Maybe your email to the list was being treated as 'spam' ?

 -- 
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[Mike MacNamara]

Malcolm

PPS.
level of access, is at user level, use tools on OE, goto advanced and change
smtp port no. to 4xx (hint).

mike
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message - 
From: Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ql-users] Email problems


 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike
 MacNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

 I know that AOL in early 2004 put in a spam blocking system at the ISP
 before it reaches the user.  Which has been quite effective ( although a
 few still inevitable get through ).

 Maybe your email to the list was being treated as 'spam' ?

 -- 
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Re: [ql-users] Email problems

[paul holmgren]

SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote:

 Hi everybody on the list,

 I read about missing emails. Well, very strange things are going on.

 SOMETHING in the world wide web is filtering mails (or throwing them
 away) without notifying the sender.

 This is reproduceable in some cases, in other cases it is random.
 My provider has no clue either, but in the reproduceable cases the
 sending server refuses to connect to the receiving server.
 Fact is: it is unreliable and it is related to j-m-s.com (my main account).
 I would guess that due to the massive number of faked virus mails (I get the
 bounces, 

 Regards   Jochen

NOT all bounces are actually that, One of the methods used Spoofs just
that, Bounces !

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[SMSQ - Jochen Merz]

NOT all bounces are actually that, One of the methods used Spoofs just
that, Bounces !
Of course, Bounces with a size 30k and ZIP attachments (or other
nice things) have to be Virus spoofs - but I get the full range :-( 
Masses!!!

Jochen

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