[RCSE] Looking for a Futaba Ch 40 module
Most of my planes are on a Futaba 9C super on channel 40. Seems my Ch 40 module is getting a bit flakey. Anyone got one cheap they want to get rid of? If not, I will probably get the synth module to replace it, but I prefer the single channel modules. They use a lot less power. Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: Soaring Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: Soaring V1 #11602 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Looking for a Futaba Ch 40 module
I have two 9C Supers. One has a 2.4 GHz Spectrum module in it and 4 receivers. This handles my slope planes primarily. Over time I will migrate all to this. The other is on 72 MHz. I use both. I am not ready to replace the 12 receivers I have now on 72 MHz. I have ch 35 and 55 modules also, but all my planes are on 40, so for the cost of a channel module I can keep them flying till I migrate all to 2.4 over the next couple of years. Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Looking for a Futaba Ch 40 module Ed, Forget about a 72MHZ module. Contact Horizon Hobbies or your local hooby shop and get a 2.4 GHZ transmitter module AND a 7000 full range receiver for just $110. I just installed this in one of my radios and my decond Supra fude and it works like a champ! Anker Ed Anderson wrote: Most of my planes are on a Futaba 9C super on channel 40. Seems my Ch 40 module is getting a bit flakey. Anyone got one cheap they want to get rid of? If not, I will probably get the synth module to replace it, but I prefer the single channel modules. They use a lot less power. Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: Soaring Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: Soaring V1 #11602 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Looking for a Futaba Ch 40 module
All that I have read is that the synth modules use more power than the single channel modules. Perhaps the Futaba Synth is different. Any way, for the cost of one 2.4 GHz receiver, I can keep all my 72 MHz stuff flying on their current channel. That is worth it for now. Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anker Berg-Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ed Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring Exchange soaring@airage.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Looking for a Futaba Ch 40 module Ed, I forgot to mention that the transmitter will use LES power with the synth module and you won't see any difference with your receiver. Its the servos that drain the receiver battery. Anker RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] IMPORTANT LISTSERVE ANNOUNCEMENT
I paid a visit to the Blog site and registered. Not much there and virtually nothing on soaring. There are some media clips but you have to be someone's friend, apparently, in order to view them. I am an active forum user, so I will bounce around for a while to get the feel of the place, but so far nothing interesting. What little I did find seemed oriented to powered flight. Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 11:32 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] IMPORTANT LISTSERVE ANNOUNCEMENT Hi everyone, We're happy to announce that the RC Soaring Listserve is moving to a better more interactive format at http://blogs-modelairplanenews.com/group/soaring http://flyby.airage.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://blogs-modelairplan enews.com/group/soaring . This blog site will allow you to continue your RC soaring discussions as before, but you can add videos, photos, other media and even chat live with fellow soaring enthusiasts. We hope you enjoy these added features. Sincerely, Debra Cleghorn Executive editor Model Airplane News, Backyard Flyer, RC Helicopter 203.529.4658 Air Age Media 20 Westport Road Wilton, CT 06897 USA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #11598
RCSE has been a great asset. I have plenty of forum type memberships. This was the only push/list serve membership and I liked it. I am going to miss it a lot! I have joined the Google Groups http://groups.google.com/group/rcse . I hope to see you all over there so that the RC Soaring Exchange List Serve can live on. If it works much like RCSE worked, that will be great. Best regards, Ed Anderson LISF On 26-Aug-08, at 9:45 AM, Ben Wilson wrote: Bon voyage, RCSE! I'm surprised that a Windows NT box made it this far, to tell you the truth. ,, But which to use? No disrespect to ModelAirplaneNews, but my choice is definitely Google Groups, and here's why: 1. It's more accessible - Easier to use - Easier to post to (via email or web) - Easier to read - I can either get it via email, the web or plug it into a news reader like the Google Reader that I already use. - Maintains that simple push style that drops the emails in my mailbox, and I don't have to check it constantly. 2. It's Google - It's not going away any time soon - It will be constantly upgraded Obviously, I'll follow whereever most people go, but I'd prefer Google :) Dennis wrote: I took it upon myself to create this Google Group to replace the soon to disappear RCSE. Please let me know if you have and further suggestions. I'm sure there will be bugs to workout. The groups homepage is: http://groups.google.com/group/rcse The email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Please tell your friends and get the word out. Dennis Hoyle WMSS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Smoke systems for gliders You wanna talk about dumb?
No, liquid nitrogen can not make smoke. It can make fog or mist but I doubt it would linger long. Best regards, Ed Anderson Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:02:22 -0500 From: Dtrimas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: Smoke systems for gliders You wanna talk about dumb? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can you use liquid nitrogen to make smoke? -- Dtrimas RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Several DLG questions
Dan, Based on posts on the forums, I would point you to the Gambler. This seems to be a kit that is universally loved and praised. The others you list are also good choices but the Gambler seems to top this stack. I don't have one but the community seems to love this plane. The Gambler-AG = $75 - Kit http://www.wrightbrothersrc.com/products/gambler.htm http://www.rcgroups.com/4506 Review http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=583972 Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70IafR_ShoE Art Hobby has a number of 1.5M DLGs that you might consider. I have no experience with their planes ArtHobby Hyper DL $131 Kit http://www.arthobby.com/shop.html Art Hobby Hybrid DL $160 http://www.arthobby.com/shop.html Best regards, Ed Anderson Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Several DLG questions From: Dan Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, August 12, 2008 5:00 pm To: soaring@airage.com Gentlemen: Before flying season fades into the sunset, I would like to build a DLG. = At this point in my life I have more time than money, so I am looking at a= built-up entry level kit rather than spending $300+ for an ARF or a high-p= erformance kit. I have been researching quite a bit over the last several days, and the c= onventional built-up kit selection is rather sparse. Right now, the most li= kely candidates are the QF2 from Mountain Models and the Gambler AF from Wr= ight Brothers RC. I have also considered the relatively low cost ARF Apach= e from SoaringUSA.com As I researched built-up DLG's it seemed that most of them were 50 span = or less rather than the usual 1.5m span that dominates the higher end model= s. Is this for structural integrity or mostly for personal convenience/choi= ce? As a novice DLG flyer should I look toward shorter span models or stick= with the 1.5m ships? I am also curious to understand why the vertical and horizontal tail surf= aces are separated on most DLG's. Aerodynamically I know that fewer interse= ctions helps with drag, but are there other reasons for doing so? I have been flying r/c for 36+ years so I am not a novice to model flight= but DLG is a whole new world for me. If anyone on the exchange has experience with the models named above (or = similar kits) or can offer a novice DLG pilot some practical advise on span= choice, Rudder/Elevator vs Rudder/Aileron/Elevator, polyhedral vs dihedral= models or any other area that might prove helpful, I would be very gratefu= l. Thanks Dan Ashenfelter Fort Dodge, Iowa RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] AVA vs Bubble Dancer - Buy vs. Build
Lincoln, Build vs. buy; is it just an economic question? As we all know, the AVA is almost an exact copy of Mark Drela's Bubble Dancer. It is a little bigger and a little heavier, but other than that, we can consider it the Bubble Dancer ARF. But is it a good value, or is it a high priced package? A group of guys at my club got together and made up Bubble Dancer kits this past winter, five of them. It included a premade molded fuselage and boom. To create the kits cost around $310. I don't know how long the build took. I bought one of the kits, took a look at the build, and sold the kit to another club member. I bought an AVA. I am not a builder, and that build would have been way over my head. For me the cost of the ARF was cheap compared to the time investment to build. Denny, at www.polecataero.com was selling an EZBD kit for a while for $340. Based on the work my club members did to create those kits, Denny's kit seems very reasonable in price. And he claims it is a faster build. Based on the quality of his other planes, I would trust a kit from Polecat. Now, if someone likes the AVA and wants to build it for themselves, then build the Bubble Dancer. Based on what I have seen at the field, the Bubble Dancer is just as much of a super ship as the ARFs that copy it. And, it is a real builder's plane. But it takes a lot of work time to build. If building is your pleasure, it is time is well spent. However if you look at it as time equals money or building time subtracts from other activities, then you are doing a make/buy economic decision. If you take the time to build a Bubble Dancer into account, I agree, the AVA, the Topaz, the Soprano and similar ships are a real good value. Unless you love to build, there is little economic justification to building the kit over the available high quality ARFs. If you love to build, then the hours spent building are a joy in itself and the money saved is of no importance and an AVA offers little value to someone who loves to build. Ed Anderson Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:17:05 -0400 From: Lincoln Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: re: RES vs UNL vs DLG Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] First off, let's put my alleged divinity aside for the duration of this post. People whine too loudly about the super ships in RES. I've beaten some of them with 25 year old pieces of crap. On a good day it doesn't matter that much. Unless you get extra bonus points for landing a pretty ship, you can get the same 100 landing points with an old trainer. I'll admit that on tough days having an Ava improves your chances. However, the Ava is quite a deal. $700 or so. A top of the line unlimited like the Supra is going to run you somewhere between almost twice to almost three times that. If you insist on someone else building the glider, an Ava or similar is quite a deal. I figure it would take me more than 100 hours to build something like that, and it wouldn't be as nice. Would take less time to get a second job flipping burgers and buy the Ava.. If you want to build gliders yourself, well then things are still cheap, but there are so few people who want to do that that kits are hard to find. Remember that these dollars are worth a lot less than the ones we had in the '80s, when as I recall people would spend what I recall as the better part of $300 on a Windsong kit and spend 100 hours BUILDING it. I spent maybe 60 hours building a Cumic back in 1990, and it turned out to be a real dog. Not like the Sagitta wings I'd build before. Actually, I do want to do a little building, but it doesn't make economic sense when I'm working full time. Possibly kits will make a comeback when wages in the rest of the world get close to what they are in the USA. (That's a good thing, by the way, except maybe for the environment.) BTW, although I've flown 2M a LOT, I think 100 inches would have been the better limited size. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] WTB AVA
Norm, I bought my AVA used, but it has some options I recommend. 1) Ballast Tube - Must have. 2) Mid Skeg - Keeps that tail off the ground AND stops the plane from sliding too far without having it stick in the ground liken an arrow 3) Split spoilers - I can't say how it works with one big spoiler but mine comes down very nicely and I don't feel I have a pitch problem. I do use elevator comp mix but it works very smoothly. Overall I love the AVA! Best regards, Ed Anderson Norm wrote: Are ther any mods that should be done to the AVA ? or = any assembly tricks I should know? Norm D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Contests within contests
I am not sure if I posted this idea before, so if I did, give it another thought in the context of the NATs discussions that have happened of late. Has anyone tried contests within contests? We often have classes of flyers segregated by level, but have we done classes of planes within a contest? For example, you run a winch launched contest but capture who is flying ailerons and who is flying RES. So you have an overall winner, an aileron winner and a RES winner without having to run separate contests. Or maybe you run Unlimited but capture the 2M planes as a class within the contest. Has this been done? Seems it would not be all that hard with the right computer software. It would seem to me that it would encourage more people to fly. A person might feel outclassed with their 2M RES against Supras and Pikes, but if they can be recognized in 2M or RES within the contest maybe you get more participation. It will probably need some software revisions but once that is done, the computer manages it. If you use an excel spreadsheet type approach, then add a column for airplane class. You register the pilot and the plane. Stupid idea? Great idea? My experience is limited here so I don't know what has been tried. Best regards, Ed Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] An argument for handlaunch.
Might as well put in my two cents, which is worth the same two cents as everyone else's two cents. Compared to many of you, with decades of experience, I am a relative newbie to RC flying ( 5 years ) and soaring ( 4 1/2 years ) I probably flew my first club contest 4 years ago and my first Eastern Soaring League contest 3 years ago. I think that Ben makes some good arguments for an expanded HLG/DLG presence at the NATs. As a member of a soaring club I observe that DLG soaring has been growing fast among club members. When I started, 5 years ago, there were a couple of guys throwing the older design HLGs, but they were rare to be seen on the field. Their HLGs were more for their off field flying. Today it is hard to make a visit to the field on the weekend when there are not DLGs soaring toward the heavens. And they are usually the same guys who are launching winched planes. DLG has just become an extension of their flying enjoyment. Our club has even changed our field layout and operational rules to make room for the DLG crowd, a crowd that I joined last year. I am still a big plane guy, but the attraction of the convenience and the intimacy of DLGs grows stronger. And the lack of extra equipment is a big plus. The Eastern Soaring League now has a separate series of DLG contests with an ever growing number of participants. We will have an ESL HLG contest at our field this weekend. We are no Polecat, with all the pageantry, but we have 25 pilots registered. I don't have national statistics or a world view of the DLG community, but from within my own limited view, it would seem that the DLG community has reached the point were a two day contest would be merited at the NATs. I do believe that there would be greater participation if the event were two days. As Ben suggests, I think it would rival some of the other categories for participation. Of course there is always the challenge of fitting in new events into the schedule. Do you extend the NATs or do you shrink some other event? RES participation really grew this year. Some say it is the emergence of the modern RES designs. Others say it was due to a change in contest schedule and sequence. But that is for others to figure out. BTW, I have never been to the NATs or any contest in Europe. The Eastern Soaring League contest series has been the limit of my big contest experience. But I am thinking I am ready for the NATs, perhaps next year, time and finances permitting. I think Ben made some good points. Ed Anderson A contest soaring newbie Original Message Subject: [RCSE] An argument for handlaunch. From: Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, July 29, 2008 7:15 pm To: soaring@airage.com, LASS Soaring List [EMAIL PROTECTED] So y'all have probably heard my whining about the lack of 2 days of handlaunch at the NATS, so let me pitch you my argument for it and for better attention paid to handlaunch by soaring in general. This is the product of a number of discussions I've had with a number of people involved with soaring at different levels over the past couple of years, so here goes: +++ I deleted the rest for brevity Ed ) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #11425
It is always interesting to incorporate new ideas into our contests. I see this has having 3 effects: 1) Pretty much eliminates all the light wood and many bagged wing planes from the contest. You will need an F3J moldie, a spar based bagged wing or a carbon capped wood wing to take this all out type launch. Spirits and Gentle Ladies need not apply. If you are going to go for high speed, high pressure all out launches, you will need high end planes to compete. 2) Lots of line breaks, or you will need 300+ pound line. How do you handle line breaks in this situation? 3) Higher winch maintenance costs and people REALLY wanting to fly the strongest winch all the time. Try as you may, there will always be stronger and weaker winches. Today it is not as much of an issue, but a time on tow rule will make this a critical issue in the contest. I would say, leave the F3J rules in F3J. If you want to adopt that format, then fly that format. Best regards, Ed Anderson Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com soaring@airage.com Subject: Contest ideaTime on tow penalty for TD? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --0-778948686-1216084886=:2951 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit After watching the World F3J I had an idea for a contest... Incorporate the time penalty on tow that they have in F3J but in a TD format. You would have a timer at each winch who would time your launch and write that time down on your card... For example if it were a 10 min task and you towed for 6 sec the best time you could get would be a 9:54 even though you flew a perfect 10... Or even better... Double the time on tow penalty, so if it was a 6 sec tow the best time you could get would be 9:48. Seems to me it would throw more strategy and fun into a normal TD contest Suggestions ? Comments? Craig RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] big sale
Great items. If you get to the point where you would be willing to ship things, let us know. CA is a bit of a drive from NY. Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Gavin Baskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: big sale Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Barry and Gavin Baskin are clearing house. =0APlanes, chargers, transmitte= rs, etc. for sale.=0AWe haven=E2=80=99t used this stuff in a long time and = it is a shame to see it sitting in the garage.=0A=0AThe items are for sale = on ebay. The auctions end Sunday night so act fast.=0AThe items are found h= ere:=0A=0A http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZgbcp01 -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] F3J Worlds Got Interrupted, Bet You Don't Know Why!
Gordy, Is this one of your jokes? I don't see anything on the F3J site about this. I know that the Easy Glider has been the savior of TD soaring, but a one design EG contest at the F3Js?Gordy...? Best regards, Ed Anderson Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 00:24:24 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: F3J Worlds Got Interrupted, Bet You Don't Know Why! Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---1215231864 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Believe it or not its because they have 'perspective' ! Its a model airplaine contest... a hobby! They quit the F3J World Competition to give everyone a break ...and flew a MPX Easy Glider Contest! Yep one design foamies! That after the Prelims and before the Fly offsnot sure what or who was the result but you have to give the Turks credit for spirit! :-) Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Got a RES plane you want to sell cheap?
I have a new club member who has really mastered his parkflyer, an Easy Star. And he is getting pretty good at thermaling it. Now I want to take him to gliders. So he is looking for a RES plane. An AVA would be great but out of his price range. Now, I know you all fly hot shot top of the line moldies, so you must have a nice 2.5-3M RES plane somewhere, gathering dust, that you would just love to put in the hands of a new glider pilot for a super reasonable price. He is no builder so kits are out of the picture. ARFs, Receiver ready or RTFs would be great. It ain't for me guys. I am working on turning parkflyer pilots into glider pilots. They need planes. Got one? Best regards, Ed Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Could CD's Please Collect Plane's Flown By Whom?....Thanks! (F3J World Planes)
Great info Gordy, thanks Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: Soaring Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: Soaring V1 #11370 SoaringTue, 1 Jul 2008 Volume 1 : Number 11370 In this issue: Could CD's Please Collect Plane's Flown By Whom?Thanks! (F3J World Planes) -- Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 06:40:38 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Could CD's Please Collect Plane's Flown By Whom?Thanks! (F3J World Planes) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---1214908838 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2008/models08.htm_ (http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2008/models08.htm) Here's the kind of list that we have all dreamed would be posted after every USA TD contest ever held in history! :-). Take a look guys, it will show you whats considered hot in F3J right now...or at least what was available :-). Gordy **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) ---1214908838 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3Dtext/html; charset=3DUS-ASCII META content=3DMSHTML 6.00.6000.16674 name=3DGENERATOR/HEAD BODY id=3Drole_body style=3DFONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #00; FONT-FAMILY:=20= Arial=20 bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7FONT id=3Drol= e_document=20 face=3DArial color=3D#00 size=3D2 DIVA=20 href=3Dhttp://www.f3x.no/f3j/2008/models08.htm;http://www.f3x.no/f3j/2008/ = models08.htm/A/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVHere's thenbsp; kind of list that we have all dreamed would be posted=20 after every USA TD contest ever held in history! :-)./DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVTake a look guys, it will show you whats considered hot in F3J right=20 now...or at least what was available :-)./DIV DIVBRGordy/DIV/FONTBRBRBRDIVFONT style=3Dcolor: black; fon= t: normal 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;HR style=3DMARGIN-TOP: 10pxGas prices=20= getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient A title=3Dhttp://aut= os.aol.com/used?ncid=3Daolaut000507 href=3Dhttp://autos.aol.com/us= ed?ncid=3Daolaut000507 target=3D_blankused cars/A./FONT/DIV= /BODY/HTML ---1214908838-- -- End of Soaring V1 #11370 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] (Gay?) Caballeros, 2.4, Attention Everyone, Including Gordy and Martin Usher
Sheldon, There are many transmitters that can work on both 2.4 and 72 MHz and many can operate on 50, 40 and 35 MHz too. Most module based radio systems can be switched to alternate frequency bands. I have a Futaba 9C, originally on 72 MHz that can now operate on Spektrum 2.4 or be switched back to 72 MHz by swapping the module. This is similar to swapping 72 MHz channel modules or changing your 72 MHz system to 40 or 35 MHz so you can fly in Europe. Both Futaba and JR make module based versions of their hi-end 2.4 GHz systems that can be switched to 72 MHz, by design. So there is nothing unique about this capability in terms of Futaba or FASST systems. XPS, ASSAN and Spektrum make module versions of their 2.4 GHz transmission section that can go in other brands of transmitters. Best regards, Ed Anderson Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:03:25 -0400 From: Sheldon Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Martin' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] (Gay?) Caballeros, 2.4, Attention Everyone, Including Gordy and Martin Usher Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin, does that mean that the FASST system will operate on both 2.4Ghz and 72Mhz??? Wowzer, is THAT considered forward thinking or what?...(What was that LJ said about so that their FASST systems work???) All I can say is it's going to create a nightmare for me when I do the NATS launch matrix (Note to NATS Registrar: Need to find the FASST systems fast - no pun intended - going to wreak havoc is we put them in and standard 72Mhz systems in the same flight group) Good Lift and Good-Luck to all at the NATS...I'll miss being there this year! -Sheldon- -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:59 AM Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] (Gay?) Caballeros, 2.4, Attention Everyone, Including Gordy and Martin Usher For a real, unPhotoshopped, picture try:- http://klia.net/toss/pictures/2008-04-20-TOSS-SC2/gallery/pages/DSCN0070.htm View includes both FASST and Definitely a 72MHz antenna Martin Usher PS. I don't know about the 'gay' thing, as you know there is no greater bond between two humans than that a pilot and their timer so its easy to mistake the relationship (at least for about 8 minutes). A. Real Man wrote: _http://www.sc-2.org/web/news/SC2-June06/Page16.htm_ Correction to the link mentioned below Ain't they cute! - Forwarded Message From: A. Real Man [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2008 10:22:57 PM Subject: 2.4, Attention Everyone, Including Gordy and Martin Usher Martin, Take a look at the following link and the 3-4 subsequent pages. Are the fellows in the orange clothing the same ones that you saw at the SC-2 contest? They seem to be a real pair to draw to! http://www.sc-2.org/web/news/SC2-Web/SC2Frames.htm --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember seeing the guys with the orange shirts at our (SC)2 contest (the ones covered with Futaba and FASST and the like). Worth a picture...they were quite obviously flying on 72MHz. Martin Usher PS. I fly with a Futaba radio. Works fine for me [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill and Darwin, You know I love both you guys even though you wear those Orange shirts, and I have to concede that it is possible to do more with 14 than 12. I want to point out that the discussion was 2.4 and sailplanes, and I still feel IMHO that JR offers more flexibility and better RX's for our competition sailplanes and large scale models with multiple servos and high power requirements. I also don't often venture in to the large aerobatic arena so it would be unfair for me to comment on that phase of the hobby. I do know something about Helicopters, and have always found that JR has had the best flexibility and options for programming. Even with all the limitations of the 12X over the 14, that guy Quique somehow manages to get the 12X to do enough that he is not embarrassed to show up at a contest. Enough said I hope the Futaba is always good to you. Larry RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- End of Soaring V1 #11268 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL
[RCSE] A pilot contemplates an off-field landing
Tony, Your timing on this is amazing. This Sunday I hit the strongest lift and the fastest climb I can ever recall. I was at tail fading: altitude in a minute. Quite exciting. I was down wind but not that far, certainly not enough to be concerned about. Then the wind came and the mother of all sink and reflex did nothing! And a little voice in my head told me that when I switched planes I forgot to switch the Walston.Now I am really screwed. And that elevator took me down so fast that well I was screwed. Fortunately, only a little cosmetic damage. 100 yards into the hungry trees. However as I made the walk of shame, I passed another pilot coming back from the same area. And a third had been pushed so far down wind he lost visual. He just caught a glance of the plane as it dropped below the tree line. It is still out there ... somewhere. Despite 2 search parties and hours of hunting, GPS in hand, it is still out there. Screwed? Oh yes. Wandering in the woods, Ed Anderson - Original Message - Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:33:27 -0700 (PDT) From: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: A pilot contemplates an off-field landing Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --0-226515225-1212370407=:2894 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I sniffed Some pretty good lift And my climb rate was swift But then it cast me adrift With a long way to go on the clock, That was a nasty shock, And now I'm looking for better air, It has to be around here somewhere, This isn't fair. So I turned and went way over there But was it better? Au contraire. And at this point I think I'm in deep sink And this flight is gonna stink, Better get out of here My thumb is trembling with fear I'm way the hell downwind And my time is a long way from the end This air is definitely not my friend, I don't have enough altitude to spend. Better put it in reflex and head back, Is this the right track? Should I go straight, or tack? I'm getting lower and lower And my progress keeps getting slower And there are trees between the plane and the spot And I'm wondering what Chances I've got. Not many if I keep losing altitude, I'm in a desperate mood, Dude -- In fact, I'm screwed. === RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #11235
Dave, Congratulations on the success of your new mini-AVA. I am curious about the choice of the A123 cells. If I understand the product, these are sub-C size cells and would seem large and heavy. However, clearly your AVA is not heavyweight. But why A123 vs. Lipo? Was it size, shape, cost or something else that made these the cells of choice? Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:37:39 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Mini AVA E Super Wednsday Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] st.net Flew the Mini, wednsday, for the first time an it is an unqualified success. The air was perfect for testing a new bird, Low winds and high lift. Pun intended. The Mini is powered by a hand wound (me) Komodo dual stator 28 mm outrunner swinging a Graupner CFK carbon 15 x 9.5 folding prop, a Castle Creations 45 amp ESC (overkill) 4 1100 mah A123 batteries and a Castle Creations BEC. Ancillary equipment, JR R700 rx, JR 285 digital servos for rudder and elevator, and a Wolfgang $4 special spoiler servo. On 72 mhz by the way. Without qualification this Mini AVA E is an excellent electric sailplane and is a very good place for novice or intermediate pilots to start and for 1st class electric comps as well. This 100 in. w/s AVA from the world renown stable of Kennedy Composites is availlable locally, from Jack Iafret. (shameless plug). This is a reccomended buy. Did I mention the all up weight is 411/2 oz. ? And climbs out like a scalded goose. Regards, Dave Corven. -- End of Soaring V1 #11235 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] A123s
I am very aware of the A123 cells. I have chargers that will charge them. But that does not prevent me from learning from others. If someone chose a particular technology which is different from what I would choose, I like to understand why. This is how I learn new things. Why is a very powerful tool and the source of all knowledge. Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: KC Soar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Ed Anderson' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #11235 Ed, Oh My, I am shocked that you are not up to date on battery types! Search Rcgroups in the electric section and you will find lots of information on the A123 LiPo batteries. Kerry RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Who carries the Cularis?
Virtually Everyone carries it. Tower Hobbies, Horizon Hobbies, NE Sailplane, just to name a few. The Easy Glider and the Cularis are in very wide distribution. Best regards, Ed Anderson Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:38:02 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jack Strother) To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Who carries the Cularis ? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] st.net I need 2 of them. Tia -- Jack Strother Granger, IN RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 30 minute first flight on my new Cularis by Hitec/MPX)
We launch EG off the winch all the time. Actually it makes a great training plane for the winch. With the standard hook and the standard wing rod, you can step on the pedal and go full bore. The launch angle is low but you get a wicked zoom! I don't know anyone in our club who has replaced the wing rod, but several have moved the tow hook back and are tapping the plane up in a fashion similar to a 2M woody. Have not seen a broken wing rod yet. I imagine you could also slip a birch dowel into the standard wing rod to make it stronger. It would increase the weight a little but I don't think it would be detrimental. I do that with a steel rod for ballast purposes. Best regards, Ed Anderson Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:57:10 -0700 (PDT) From: AJ Bhatta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE soaring@airage.com Subject: MPX EG tow hook Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks to all for the tips on tow hook mods for the MPX EG. Will definitely try those next time. Cheers AJ -- End of Soaring V1 #11223 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 30 minute first flight on my new Cularis by Hitec/MPX)
Has anyone broken an original EG wing rod? I broke when I kneeled on it but that is the only one I know about. Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ed Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] 30 minute first flight on my new Cularis by Hitec/MPX) We Have 19 EZG's called Beer Coolers here GDSHS. Use a carbon rod inside of the f'/glass wing rod for stiffness. Better than a birch dowel. Cut off the orig hook, mill or grind down the hook base to make it thinner and glue on a 1/8 ply plate for a new hook base and locate the hook at 3.00 behind the wing L/E. Same location as the C/G. Monster launches with Wade winches. Regards, Dave Corven. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Winch 4-Sale
I bid $100 plus $50 for shipping. Ed Anderson Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:27:32 -0400 From: Gary S. Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Winch 4-Sale Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0003_01C8B73F.751B86A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I am listing again my winch for sale. I built it from parts purchased from the Winch Doc. It has Real Balls, gold anodized drum, dual heavy duty solenoids, and heavy duty frame. Also include are battery cables and a nice turn around from Tim McCann. Make offer. Gary Wendy Baldwin Tallahassee, Florida RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Want to see the World's Heaviest Carbon Supra Lite?
Gordy, you need to shave that Supra. It seems to have grown whiskers. Ha ha! ;-D Best regards, Ed Anderson Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 21:56:44 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Want to see the World's Heaviest Carbon Supra Lite? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---1207533404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _http://www.flickr.com/photos/nex12go/_ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nex12go/) Tony and I went soaring today, and he had his huge lens working overtime today. Some in flight photos. Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Question regarding 2.4GHz..Answer :-)
I have used the Hobbico locator. It works as you describe and will likely work with 2.4 GHz but it is so annoying to have to move the sticks just to keep the alarm from sounding. If they had a 10 minute window instead of a 1 minute window it would be ideal. Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Question regarding 2.4GHz..Answer :-) On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 09:04:37AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... This will work fine with PPM, PCM or 2.4 GHz stuff, and you won't have to do any special programming to make it work -- http://www.hobbico.com/radioaccys/hcap0335.html The lost plane alarm will be activated if the servo channel it's on stops getting pulses, which is what works with normal PPM stuff and doesn't work with PCM or 2.4 GHz gear. However, the transmiter inactivity signal (which sounds the same as the lost plane alarm) will still work even with PCM or 2.4 GHz -- if you stop moving the sticks (or if you go into and stay in failsafe), that channel will be idle (not changing, though it may still be getting servo pulses), and once it's been idle for a minute, the alarm start beeping as if your plane was lost. And yes, I've tried it. The downside is that your plane will get upset and start beeping if you leave it turned on and idle for a few minutes -- like when you put it down between flights. Most annoying. I wish they'd made the timeout five minutes instead. -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] You fight until hell freezes over. Then you fight on the ice. --Richard Russell RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Flight Sims for Mac
I am the magic Genie of the Lamp. I hear your wish and obey! CRRCsim - Free flight simulator for MacOS/Linux/Windows http://crrcsim.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=CRRCsim.HomePage CRRCsim - FAQ http://crrcsim.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=CRRCsim.CrrcSimFaq Anything else you need? Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:36:46 -0600 From: Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: redjem13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Flight Sims for Mac Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 04:01:59PM -0600, redjem13 wrote: | I was about to start a thread entitled the same thing and then I | thought I would search first and found this. Well, all of us Mac guys | need to get together and convince a simulator company to produce a | version for Mac. If you searched, then you found my post that identifies one R/C simulator that works on MacOS (crrcsim), one that might (sss), and one full scale simulator that does (X-Plane). -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no nonsense so errant that it cannot be made the creed of the vast majority by adequate governmental action. - Bertrand Russell RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supra - Battery Life
I thought I would share it some information. If I already posted this prior, forgive the duplication. A couple of weeks ago I put my new ( used #57 ) Supra up for the first time. The night before I peaked the battery pack using my Triton charger, charging at 200 mAh. This Supra uses 4 2/3A 1400 mAh cells. It looks like the standard Kennedy Composites battery pack. At the field I did several range checks and hand throws to check trim. I then took about 10 short flights, most under 3 minutes, as I was focused on trimming and testing landing mixes. These were launched off a winch that was set out about 600 feet. Later in the day I logged an 87 minute flight in a nice big thermal. Overall I believe my total system on time for the day was about 2 hours 30 minutes including air time and ground work time. I left the plane sitting for two days after those flights and decided to check the pack to see what had been used. The pack was at 4.9V through the charge port. I recharged on my Triton charger at 200 ma. It took 680 mA to come back to peak, or about 1/2 the pack capacity. This accounts for the day's flying plus two days of sitting. It is not often I check may useage so closely so I thought I would share it. I have 6 airtronics digital servos in the bird and a Hitec Super Slim 72 MHz receiver. Thought you might find this information useful. Best regards, Ed Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Okay you budding Pens, RCSD has an issue waiting for your contributions
I just completed an article for RCSD that I expect to send out this week. Best regards, Ed Anderson Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 16:51:08 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Okay you budding Pens, RCSD has an issue waiting for your contributions Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---1202248268 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, I have it on authority that this issue has room for some of you who have some thing to share about rc sailplanes and rc soaring. So sit down and get it written...and submitted! Gordy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #10534
I believe Joe Rodriguez said it earlier. And Darwin is right, it is time to draw the line. We don't need to upgrade the equipment everytime someone comes out with a new plane. The pilot should be able to learn to get the most he can from the equipment at hand. Every time you make the winches stronger and the line heavier you FORCE people to move to stronger, more expensive planes which takes this hobby further and further from the sport flyer. If the current winches and line can't launch it then don't fly it! Leave this plane for F3J if it can't be successfully launched on the current winches. However I would wager that, with practice, you will be able to launch just fine. But stepping on the pedal hard for the whole launch may not be that technique. Ed Anderson Long Island Silent Flyers www.lisf.org - Original Message -=20 From: Darwin N. Barriemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:48 AM I'm sure this will be a very dynamic plane and competitive with the = Euro models. My concern is the launching equipment. With the current = crop of moldies, line breaks and winch bogging and ultimate failure are = becoming more prevelant. Heavy enough line for these new super ships, = will be a burden for the lighter planes. Yes, I've CD'd lots of contests = and a few big ones. We've tried some heavy line and it is great for the heavier planes but = the lighter planes and 2 meters have a helluva time overcoming the line = drag and weight.=20 Where do we draw the line?=20 Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management
Gordy is right. I made a poor word selection. No one FORCES anyone to do anything. My intention was to say that, in order to remain competitive, you will likely find it necessary to go to stronger, more expensive planes. This makes it harder for sport flyers who do not have big budgtes to enter into a competitive position. We have seen this in auto racing. Now there are restricter plates on the intake systems to limit the power of the cars. Things were getting too fast and too dangerous so they are restricting that part of the competitive race. I think US style winch launched TD competitions could take a lesson from this approach. Thanks for correcting me Gordy. Ed Anderson LISF From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 1:19 pm To: Soaring@airage.com Every time you make the winches stronger and the line heavier you FORCE people to move to stronger, more expensive planes which takes this hobby further and further from the sport flyer. NO one forces Americans to do anything. A big part of our deal is that we get to 'chose' what we do and buy. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] First Flight on 2.4 Ghz
OK, add me to those flying on 2.4 GHz. I tested out my new Spektrum module in my Futaba 9C today. I put an AR6100 into an Easy Glider Electric and put the plane up and out about as far as I have ever had the Easy Glider. I sent the plane up-wind figuring if I lost connection the wind would bring it back toward me. After all this is Spektrums short range receiver. I had no problems at all, other than that the plane got small enough that I occasionally lost it in the sky and was having problems with orientation. I can guestimate that it was up about 1000 feet and probably down field from me perhaps 1800 feet, but that is all a guess. So, first test went well. Range on the AR6100, at least in this plane, seems fine. I am going to leave it in there for further testing. My target for the AR6100 is really my foam and glass slope planes which are 2M or less and typically not flown out as far as my thermal planes. Then I will work on my electrics planes and 2M planes. My first 3M will probably be a fiberglass Airtronics Legend using an AR7000 receiver. Clear Skies and Safe Flying Ed Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Spread Spectrum Differences
Kevin, According to the published information from Spektrum, their system divides the 2.4 GHz in channels, 80 I believe. Each time you turn on one of their systems it finds two channels that are clear and establishes a link using those two channels. If it loses link on one it uses the other. Of course link can be reestablished with the first so that you have two again. There is no hopping. Spektrum calls this Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum (DSSS) . Based on this, Spektrum can have 40 systems running at one time. This system was first introduced to the airplane market via the DX6 transmitter in 2005, which was based on a JR 6 channel radio. Later Spektrum came out with the DX7 which was based on the JR 7202. Then they released and a variety of modules for Futaba and JR transmitters. Now JR has standardized their own brand transmitters on Spektrum 2.4 GHz technology. Many of the JR 72 Mhz systems have 2.4 GHz dedicated counterparts that use the Spektrum 2.4 GHz system. XPS, Xtreme Power Systems, does not sell radios, only modules that go in a very wide range of third party ground and air based systems. They divide the 2.4 GHz band into some number of channels, 120 I think, and the radio/receiver establish on one channel. They stay there until some kind of interference occurs, then they hop to another channel. This is a hop on need system, for lack of a better term. Futaba makes their own brand of radios and modules for their brand of transmitters. They establish a single channel and hop constantly. I have not seen a spec on how many channels they divide 2.4 GHz into. All three use a unique ID to establish an unique link between the transmitter and receiver so that the receiver only listens to the transmitter to which it is bound. Spektrum has taken this and created a unique feature called model match that establishes a memory of which receiver is tied to which model memory in their DX6i and DX7 transmitters. The JR transmitters have this too. It does not work with their add in modules. I hope that is helpful. You can find more info and more details at: http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Technology.aspx#howWorks http://www.xtremepowersystems.net/ http://2.4gigahertz.com/ Best regards, Ed Anderson Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:01:38 -0600 From: Kevin O'Dell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Spread Spectrum Differences Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess my first question is you are a EE student and not an amateur radio operator? At any rate 802.11b, depending on the data rate, is probably direct sequence spread spectrum..a good explanation of the differences can be found in the ARRL Handbook for Radio Communicationsalmost any version in the past few years will have it. Kevin O'Dell N0IRW On Dec 4, 2007, at 11:45 PM, Peter Klemperer wrote: Hi, I'm an electrical engineering student and I'm wondering what the real technical difference is between the Futaba and Spektrum systems. Anyone out there that knows the specifics or can point to a resource? From what I gather from the threads, the Futaba system uses some sort of continuous frequency hopping but the JR only hops some of the time? What would trigger a hop (perhaps a detection of increased error rates)? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Your Genie LT/S Plane finder
Here is an article on the Eastern Soaring League web site about Lost plane locators. Some also serve as battery monitors. I use several of them. http://forums.flyesl.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=237 I prefer the Sky King and the Walston units that are discussed Best regards, Ed Anderson Re: [RCSE] Your Genie LT/S Plane finder BTW, who can recommend a good lost plane finder? I know there are a few on the market..any testimonials? Jim RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 2.4 Gig JR v Futaba ???
Craig, There are several factors why the JR 9303 2.4 is getting more press than the Futaba. 1) This is a soaring list serve and the 9303 has received much greater acceptance as a 6+ servo sailplane radio than any of the Futaba transmitters. 2) Futaba entered the 2.4 GHz market with a very limited function transmitter which was not of much interest to the 6+ servo sailplane market. They have also come to market much later and much more slowly than Spektrum/JR, so Futaba has a tiny installed base compared to the others. Many Futaba users, like myself, have purchased Spektrum modules for our Futaba Radios. That is the same technology that JR uses. 3) Spektrum/JR, XPS and Futaba all use Spread Spectrum of one form or another, but only Futaba uses continuous frequency hopping. I will let the wizards argue which is better, but they all seem to work, so to most users, the difference does not matter much. This is like PPM vs. PCM, both are 72 MHz FM. Which is better vs. which is most popular. They both work. 4) There is a lot more hands on experience in the user community with Spektrum/JR than with XPS or Futaba. 5) Spektrum/JR offers the widest range of receiver choices. For many people, this is very important. Here are a few other links that may be of interest: 2.4 GHz - A Broad Market Review - in the Radios forum of RC Groups. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=715589goto=newpost 2.4 Satisfaction Poll http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=6240077 Ed Anderson Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:46:39 -0800 (PST) From: Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm just curious as to why all the talk is about the JR 2.4 system? From everything I have read, the Futaba 2.4 is the only one to use true spread spectrum and is a much better system that the JR... Like I said I'm just curios. So flame away :-) Craig RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Forum Discussions about flying Gliders on 2.4 GHz
For those who might want more information about actual field results on 2.4 GHz, these threads might be of interest: Chipwillis - Ava http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7106435postcount=6 cptsnoopy - Omega 1.8 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7508815postcount=24 paladindg - F3X speed glider http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7504187postcount=19 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7509649postcount=64 Wind Junkie - Experiments with carbon fuse gliders Excellent thread http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=670356#post7257327 vartman - flying sailplanes with DX7 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7263881postcount=1936 BrianSmith - Gliders and Gas on DX7 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6938996postcount=1465 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6669059postcount=904 KASRA - Glider mixes on DX7 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6651965postcount=833 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=1907 Parkcrasher - DX7 in glider http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6535908postcount=360 ThomasB - Gliders and DX7 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6485702postcount=91 Eastern Soaring League Forum - Are you flying 2.4 in a composite plane? http://forums.flyesl.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=280 http://forums.flyesl.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=281 Joe W - Flying a SS Supra with JR 9303 and glass pod http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=733394#post8325961 SmokinJoe101 - Contest Reports on JR 9303 2.4 GHz Artemis Super Light carbon/Kevlar fuselage http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=754435 Best regards, Ed Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] So, having read the 2.4 Articles in this Month's RCSD,
Gordy, You asked for a review of the articles. Having read the articles I felt they were clear and well organized. In the first Sherman focused on what he felt were key advantages of the 2.4 GHz system. Much of the article was either quotes from the manual or the marketing material, which he used to explain those features that Sherman felt were attractive and important. The second article was also clear, but appeared to be intended to be published independent of the first as it repeated some of the same points. From that point I felt it was a little redundant, but not a problem. Sherman showed the manner in which the system was installed and spoke of his experience. He was clear that this installation was in a Supra with the new 2.4 GHz friendly pod. Overall he seemed very happy with the transmitter, the receiver, the way the system worked. It is his intention to continue to share his experiences with the 2.4 GHz system as he uses it in a number of other planes. Based on Sherman's articles, I would be interested in this system for use in my sailplanes. Ed Anderson VP, LISF ESL Web Site and Newsletter Editor Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:50:42 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: So, having read the 2.4 Articles in this Month's RCSD, What's your 2.4 opinion? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay this thread is about the articles and their content by Sherman Knight in this issue of RCSD. After you have read the articles written by Sherman Knight, what is your opinion/ experience with 2.4? We'd all like to hear your thoughts on the subject. AFTER having read the articles. Gordy If you want to espouse your general thoughts or ideas, feel free to start your own thread complete with your own subject title. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8591
I think you will be well served with a Pinnacle Standard hi-start: http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?productID=875 or one of the Hosemonster Hi-starts from www.aerofoam.com You don't say what your son has so I can't judge the size or strength. Assuming it is some kind of a 2 Meter, I would recommend the Pinnacle Standard which will also launch your Mantis, or the Aerofoam 2M competition. Best Regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 12:13:49 -0600 From: Jimmy Prouty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Hi-Start Question Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, My son and I like to fly sailplanes whenever we can and I'd like to purchase a high start so I don't have to drag out the winch when we want to go out for a few quick flights. . Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Happy flying, Jimmy www.jtmodels.com End of Soaring V1 #8591 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8476
Ryan, This is a most interesting comment. If you can make a radio do this I would love to know how. I have seen the ability to address both flaps independently as a key divider between radio classes. Radios like the Hitec Optic 6, Futaba 7C, the JR 6102 and now the JR 7202 and the DX7 are highly capable radios that do now support a 4 servo wing. If that can be overcome via some mix process I would really like to know how to do it. Then you could trim them independently AND have the flaps follow the ailerons for lower drag roll input. I help a lot of new flyers and this would be very useful in setting up their planes. Ed Anderson Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:44:57 - From: rdwoebke [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can tell, neither would be able to handle a 4 servo wing. So I would not expect the Spectrum DX7 to be able to handle a 4 servo wing or have any sailplane specific programming. Ed, I would not go that far. I read through the DX7 manual, and it has 6 free mixes. With free mixes you can do things like manually setup dual flaps or manually setup aileron to flap mixing. Granted, it might not be as functional from a contest glider perspective as something like the 9303, but I suspect you could run a 6 servo glider using this transmitter. Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8465
Chip, Soon I don't think you will need that regulator. Hitec just released a new set of receivers and they are all rated for 3.7 to 7.4V. Funny but that maps to 1 and 2 cell lithium. ;-) Best Regards, Ed Anderson From: Chip Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Lithium Ion batteries Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FWIW, I haven't seen many people discuss it, but I have been using Li-ion batteries for a while. I flew the entire two day contest at the Fall round up, on a single charge. I use Fromeco 2400 two cell batteries, and I checked the voltage periodically and I had plenty to spare. I could have flown for another two hours I estimate. Again, this is in a 3 servo Ava so not too much draw there. I use a MPI 6v regulator to step down the volts, and so far so good. I am building a Supra now, and It is quite an investment, so i'm thinking of running dual batteries in it. I was flying giant scale and running dual rx batteries is almost standard over 30 percent airplanes, and with the sizes available, redundancy kinda makes sense. Anyone else doing this or thinking of it? Chip RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8466
Darwin, The excitement around the DX7 is the promise of glitch free, shoot down proof flying. Most of the soaring population are having a great time on lesser radios than the 14MZ, the 9303 or even the Futaba 9C. For them the DX7 has plenty of capabilities. The Spektrum DX6, which was released last year for parkflyers and small gliders. It received strong acceptance and has been extensively field tested by users. There are literally hundreds of reports posted on the forums. Spektrum suggests 1500 feet for the radio/receiver, but there are many reports out beyond 3000. That doesn't surprise me as my Hitec receivers are rated for a mile but I have seen informal reports that they still work at 2 miles. Seems a 50% derating is standard procedure. The real issue has been around signal view. The DX6 receiver is actually two receivers in one with two antenna oriented at 90 degrees. If one loses the signal, the other can still hold it. But, due to the short wavelength, there was concern that large dense RF shielding objects, like glow and gas motors or fuel tanks, could blank the signal to both antenna. That is why the new receiver has two pieces that spread apart by 2 inches. This makes it much hard to blank the signal to both receivers. http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Technology.aspx My interest will be on how it does with carbon fuselages. These carbon fuselages give many 72 MHz receivers trouble, or at least reduces their effective range. Also the DX6 had warnings about metallic coverings and white coverings with are rich in metallic content. I don't know what they are saying in that regard these days. If you read the field reports, the DX6 has performed at longer ranges and with fewer incidents then might have been expected. Certainly it has proven to be at least as good as the 72 MHz FM systems when working within 2000 feet in electric and glider models. And there are a number of people who have flown them in their glow planes and reported good success. If the DX7 and the new receiver live up to their advertised performance, then it should not take Spektrum very long to get this technology into a JR 9303 as their radios are based on JR chassis. The DX7 may not be up to contest radio standards but I wouldn't be surprised if that is intentional. Open class sailplanes are probably the models that are flown at the greatest distances of all hobby RC models. Perhaps they are not ready to target the contest sailplane market. Best Regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:57:10 -0700 From: Darwin N. Barrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe this will be the norm in the next few years. It will take a = while for everyone to make the transition. I'm still concerned about the = range, so I'll wait for some of you to put a $1500 moldy a half a mile = down range and see if it still works. Is it the spread spectrum that = makes it so exciting? I don't get it!!! Futaba has some big stuff coming as well. The information is being held = very tightly, so I suspect it will be good. I'm also confused as to the excitement level on this radio that has = limited sailplane capability (actually none), when the Futaba 12MZ will = do virtually anything a sailplane pilot will need. The 14MZ definitely = will. Yeah they are more expensive but you won't need to upgrade every = couple of years. Also these systems are extremely easy to program. I = have no specific knowledge but think Spread Spectrum will be coming to = these systems before long. Now that is something to get excited = about Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ --=_NextPart_000_010D_01C6F3D1.E8CC5EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3Dtext/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1 META content=3DMSHTML 6.00.2900.2963 name=3DGENERATOR STYLE/STYLE /HEAD BODY bgColor=3D#ff DIVFONT face=3DArial size=3D2I believe this will be the norm in the = next few=20 years. It will take a while for everyone to make the transition. I'm = still=20 concerned about the range, so I'll wait for some of you to put a $1500 = moldy a=20 half a mile down range and see if it still works. Is it the spread = spectrum that=20 makes it so exciting? I don'tnbsp;get it!!!/FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=3DArial size=3D2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT face=3DArial size=3D2Futaba has some big stuff coming as = well. The=20 information is being held very tightly, so I suspect it will be=20 good./FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=3DArial size=3D2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT face=3DArial size=3D2I'm also confused as to the excitement = level on=20 this radio that has limited sailplane capability (actually none), when = the=20 Futaba 12MZ will do virtually anything a sailplane pilot will need. The = 14MZ=20 definitely will. Yeah they are more expensive but you won't need to = upgrade=20 every couple of years. Also these systems are extremely
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8463
The DX7 appears to be based on the newly released JR 7202 which is a midrange airplane/heli radio with no specific sailplane programming. The Hitec Optic 6, in this same class, has much more sailplane programming, by comparison. As far as I can tell, neither would be able to handle a 4 servo wing. So I would not expect the Spectrum DX7 to be able to handle a 4 servo wing or have any sailplane specific programming. Hitec is coming out with a plug in module for the Hitec Prism, Optic 6 and the Eclipse 7. They say they will also qualify it in the Futaba 9C and 9C Super. So I will wait for that to turn my 9C into a 2.4 GHz radio. :-) Best Regards, Ed Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8333
My wife does embroidered shirts. She has been making them for our club. If someone can get me the graphic and permission to use it, we can make up shirts. Best Regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: Soaring Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 7:52 PM Subject: Soaring V1 #8333 SoaringMon, 25 Sep 2006 Volume 1 : Number 8333 In this issue: FS Sharon Pro 3.7 Re: [RCSE] WSM Shirts T-shirts ... -- Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:52:54 -0500 From: John Diniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: FS Sharon Pro 3.7 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Sale - Sharon Pro 3.7 + Tail (WSM winner) Yellow over Red, JR 368's on all surfaces. Tip has a none-structural = ding which I've repaired and painted. I have flown it at the last 2 = Nat's, F3J Team Select and the WSM as well as many OVSS contests. RTF = less receiver asking, $1300 + shipping (estimated at $60-$80) or can = deliver to Visalia '06. Will throw in the Jim Bag for an extra $75. Thanks, JD -- Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:39:08 -0400 From: Tom Broeski tom@inventorforhire.com To: George Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Ben Wilson' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'RCSE' soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] WSM Shirts Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll take a couple as long as they have pockets. T - Original Message - From: George Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Ben Wilson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'RCSE' soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] WSM Shirts I'll take 2 shirts myself. gv -Original Message- From: Ben Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:50 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] WSM Shirts One thing I was kinda disappointed with at the WSM's this past weekend was no t-shirts! I love the WSM logo - so maybe someone could make a run of them? I can't be the only one (please) ;) -- ben wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://thelocust.org/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 -- Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:08:03 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: T-shirts ... Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---1159222083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where is there a link to the shirts ?? ... Thanks, Pepper ---1159222083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3Dtext/html; charset=3DUS-ASCII META content=3DMSHTML 6.00.2900.2963 name=3DGENERATOR/HEAD BODY id=3Drole_body=20 style=3DFONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #80; FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS=20 bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7FONT id=3Drol= e_document=20 face=3DComic Sans MS color=3D#80 size=3D3 DIVWhere is there a link to the shirts ?? .../DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVThanks,/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVPepper/DIV/FONT/BODY/HTML ---1159222083-- -- End of Soaring V1 #8333 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8312
I want to see pictures. Somehow I don't think so! Best Regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: Soaring Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 6:46 AM Subject: Soaring V1 #8312 SoaringFri, 22 Sep 2006 Volume 1 : Number 8312 In this issue: Re: Soaring Masters Pre-Report -- Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 07:55:13 +0200 From: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Soaring Masters Pre-Report Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are KILLING me slowly! I HATE not being able to be there! Does not matter if it is true or not. Your write up is so cool Hilsen (Regards) Jojo NEW: www.jojoen.no -- Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:54:49 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Soaring Masters Pre-Report Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---1158893689 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys I have to tell you, the vendors and sponsors have done this thing up RIGHT! Driving into the entry to the site, is a huge banner spanning over the entrance Welcome to the World Soaring Masters! Along the road to the flying area are banners on poles flying in the wind about every 20', in various colors, kind of like walking the gauntlet to King Arthur's big joust contest! At the site is a huge circus style tent, with even more banners, each banner having a different sponsor's name and logo. Inside the tent is a hospitality set up for Pilots and vendors to chat, long tables (again reminiscent of a King Arthur challenge), filled with trays of fresh cut fruit, giant shrimp, wings, BBQ ribs, various selections of rolls (I think they were shipped in from Germany!) with thin crunchy wheat crusts and a slight honey flavor inside. There is a stage and what looks like a band being set up. (someone said it was Lenard Skynard) On the field I think I can see two TV crew trailers with those telescoping satellite antennas on each. One on each end of the field. There is one of those jumbo-tron things, showing clips of JW, DP, BC proudly displaying their world championship medals and of course their I beat Gordy badges too.. along with other rc soaring clips which include events such as Visalia, MidSouth, and the recent Casa contest (which is kind of funny because all you see is Phil Barnes butt as he bends down to fix a winch! There's a nice segment of Joe Melchoir's (Deleware's top TD pilot) Mooney flying in to the event. It all looks more like some medieval competition than a rc soaring event The field has been manicured with the words World Master's RC Soaring 2006 The only thing that would really complete it is JoJo. There was a lot of talk about how David Hobby keeps avoiding flying against me, but I think they were mostly kidding. :-) I stopped in at the Roberts hotel, and a bunch of guys were out having a brew or two, and as I walked up I was faced or butted with a line of moons, as in full skin cheeked! Of course I had to retaliate! :-) Wish you guys were here! Weather is supposed to be sunny with calm winds all weekend! But if the wind comes up, the word is the champ will be.Rich Burnowski. Considering conditions, I put $100 on Rusty Shaw, odds were just too good to be true and I saw him fly in Iowa recently, the guy is deadly. Gordy Holiday Inn Express, yep a Jacuzzi room :-) ---1158893689 -- End of Soaring V1 #8312 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8273
Friends, I believe I saw a message that described how one club used a wood dolly on wheels to retrieve multiple winch lines during a contest. The dolly was operated by a winch and retriever arrangement, as I recall. Anyone know about this? I thought I saw a photo, but I did not keep it. If you know about this, or if you set it up, could you let me know please? We may want to try it at an upcoming contest. Best Regards, Ed Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Long Island Silent Flyers. End of Soaring V1 #8273 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8261
Tom, I shortened your note below to focus on this question of whether anyone cares about you. I did not make the comment you cite, just do the tasks, but I might have said something like that if you and I were chatting. It would have been a positive encouragement. By that I would mean that I see the goal of these challenges it to give you a benchmark against which you can measure yourself and focus on ways to improve your flying. If that is your goal, then just do the challenges and you will accomplish that. If you want to document the accomplishments, then keep a log of your flying. If you can't compete because there are not competitions near you, or you prefer not to, that should not hold you back from improving your skills. If, on the other hand, your goal is to get a certificate, that's different and a self development plan will not help you achieve that goal. If you don't see the LSF as achievable in order to receive the certifications, then find or establish some other measurement. If the burden to meet the LSF requirements is too great, don't worry about it. Why does it matter? It is not a question of whether anyone cares about you, but about what you care about. If you fly alone, always, then who will know or care if you have an LSF certificate. If you want to challenge yourself, then just do it! I belong to a soaring club and LSF is not even discussed among the members. If anyone has achieved an LSF level, I am not aware of it. Other than one time when I wanted to know what the LSF was, I have not reviewed or studied the LSF requirements. From what I understand, it sounds like a good program, but the certificates are not important to me at this time. And, BTW, I have plenty of access to competitions, and I do compete and plan to compete more. But I compete because it is fun, not to meet an LSF level Bringing home a prize or an award is great, but it is not the reason I go to the competitions. Did you ever see the movie, The Karate Kid? Daniel asks his teacher what belt he has. He responds, JC Penny! He did not need some award in order to achieve of excellence at his craft, and neither do you. Best Regards, Ed Anderson Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:22:41 + From: TG Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Jim's Flame suit, and other curiosities... Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (message edited by Ed Anderson) One last thing. I have heard quite a few people say (paraphrasing) just do the flight tasks and not the competition and be happy with that. In effect we you are saying is we don't care about you if you are not competing so just run off and stop bothering us. We have our awards, you non competetition guys don't need any. So here is the blunt question is that what you are saying? I don't recall everyone that said that but if you did, please answer honestly. Is it simply to much bother to make sure the other half of the soaring community is taken care of as well? I truly am not trying to stir the $*^T pot, I just think it would make the soaring community healthier in both the short term and the long run. Thanks for taking the time to look this over. Tom Bean -- End of Soaring V1 #8261 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Soaring V1 #8233
LSF and Contest Flying I can't speak about other leagues that run sailplane contests as I have only flown in club contests and Eastern Soaring League events. However, the Eastern Soaring League is taking some very proactive steps to bring in the new flyers and show them the fun of contest flying. This year a novice class was added to sportsman and expert. Registration has been free or a minimal fee with typically reduced requirements on the time and/or landing precision needed to score points. This will be the farm team where new flyers can learn about contest flying. If they want to work toward their LSF levels, this will certainly qualify. We have started to see a growing interest in this novice class, but it does not happen by itself. It takes one on one sponsorship from individuals willing to take on a mentor like position to coax and support the new contest guys. Competition is very very scary when you have never done it before. The barrier can look very high, but with just a little help and support, that wall gets real small real fast. Just an announcement of a contest is not enough. The LISF 2 Eastern Soaring League contest will have 6 novice class pilots. Four will be from the local soaring club. However even in the midst of an active soaring club, this took promotion and encouragement on the part of active members who have flown contests before. The focus of the discussions has been more about the fun and friendships formed than about winning. You need a friend to invite you to the game. These novice pilots are not all rookie flyers. Some have years on the sticks, but have never even considered contest flying. Now that they have registered and committed to flying a contest, they are excited and actively working on tuning their planes and working on their skills. Whether they place or not, they will be stronger pilots just due to the preparations they have made. And they are helping each other prepare. Isn't that the whole purpose of contest flying? None of these guys are flying the latest contest machines. But they needed someone to reinforce that these ships were OK for contest flying. Two will be flying 2M wood ships. One will be flying a 2M foamie and one a 100 inch glass ship that he just purchased used, his first pure sailplane. I flew my first contest with a 2M RES plane. I was encouraged to do so. My mentors emphasized that I didn't have to have a hot shot 3M plane to join the party. With the help of friends, I flew the tasks and took whatever scores, and I had so much fun. I received help and encouragement from masters of the air who gave me positive reinforcement. I could not wait till the next event. Based on my skills, more than my plane, I never really expected to win, so I was never disappointed. Winning was to be a journey, or so it was explained to me. You may never get there, but the trip can be so much fun! This is what has been shared with these new contest pilots. Discussion has not been about the thrill of victory or the agony of defeat, but the fun of the event, the great people you meet, the opportunity to become a better pilot through the tremendous learning opportunity presented. If we want to get more people involved in soaring, if we want to encourage them to advance their skills, we have to take it upon ourselves to reach out to them, one on one, and talk up the fun, not the prize. The idea of a contest scared the heck out of me. But I had strong supporters who encouraged me, and helped me prepare. Now I would hate to miss it so much that I plane to travel to some away contests next season. There may be value in a new organization but that is not the problem. What we need are more mentors and sponsors and friends who are willing to help the new guys across that small hump that looks like a great wall to them. And then we have to encourage them to help the next guy over the wall. Best Regards, Ed Anderson Long Island Silent Flyers -- Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:52:00 -0500 From: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:13 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote: snip These DO NOT have to be a blood and guts type of contest, merely an opportunity to fly together, thereby learning from each other and improving the overall skill level. When the other local flyers see how much fun is being had they will join in, even if they KNOW they have not a whisper of a chance to win. They are there because it's FUN. And, this does not require a $2,000 moldie and a $600+ computer radio - it can be done with a 'lowly' Gentle Lady, Spirit, Aspire or HOB 2 x 4. I think that's what is wrong with so many current contests with the emphasis on win, win, win and not enough emphasis on fun. Why not back off a little and put some fun back. Fly events that don't require a moldie. Maybe a round of three-for-fifteen
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #8116
Try www.hilaunch.com They will have what you need. Best Regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: Soaring Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: Soaring V1 #8116 SoaringThu, 17 Aug 2006 Volume 1 : Number 8116 In this issue: Soaring Stuff -- Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:03:32 -0600 From: Russ Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Soaring Stuff Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is Soaring Stuff still in business...the web site soaringstuff.com is there with a phone number, but no answer and no email address that I can find. I need a 1/4 steel wing rod. Russ -- End of Soaring V1 #8116 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7986
Dave Register, thanks for the great report on the Team Polecat effort in XC at the Nats. Congratulations to Team Polecat for the pioneering effort, flying a 1.5M DLG in a Cross Country Event. It is an inspiration to us all and motivation to explore new territory every time we fly. It wouldn't surprise me if Team Polecat was at the next NATS in XC with a DLG and a strong team, that can complete the task. What an accomplishment that would be. Or course now that such a strong showing was made, you will probably have competition in that class, and a while new meaning to XC flying will emerge. Great job guys! Best Regards, Ed Anderson LISF - Original Message - From: Soaring Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 12:44 AM Subject: Soaring V1 #7986 SoaringMon, 24 Jul 2006 Volume 1 : Number 7986 In this issue: Somebody at Nats..?? Help with lost transitter? Re: [RCSE] Nats Coverage RE: [RCSE] Somebody at Nats..?? Help with lost transitter? NATs F3B NATS newsletter Limited Span XC A few NATS XC photos / I Beat Gordy! -- Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:44:11 -0400 From: Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'James V. Bacus' [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Cc: 'Douglas, Brent' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Somebody at Nats..?? Help with lost transitter? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey all, I just got back to Dayton, and I'm light one transmitter - I'll call AMA in the morning, but if anyone found an old JR 378 out by the Center Stage area (edge of parking lot / covered area by runway), could you get it to a one of the CDs or a DARTS member (Paul Siegel, Jerry Shape, Bob Massman??). Johnny Berlin might have found it, I was tearing down in the same area as him - I'll call down to AMA in the morning, see what kind of luck I have... I planned on replacing it, just not tomorrow. Thanks! Brent Douglas Darts *It's on Channel 44, says Douglas / DARTS on it -- Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:19:30 -0400 From: Ben Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nats Coverage Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] James V. Bacus wrote: Looks like Capn' Jack flew his Ventus scale model into the powerlines!!! Yeah, he did. I was packing up my tent in the camping area when I heard a clatter that sounded like someone kicking the port-a-potty over. Turned around, and I saw the Ventus spiraling down near the towers. Looked around and saw Capn' Jack walking over from about 1/4 mile. Poor ol' Grover was ejected from his pilot seat :) Some good chunks out of the wing, and it looks like the joiner broke, but the fuse looked to be in one piece. Sad to see it, but I'd be willing to bet it'll be back in the air in the future. ben wilson louisville area soaring society -- Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:27:04 -0400 From: Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Somebody at Nats..?? Help with lost transitter? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Found Sorry to waste bandwidth! Brent -- Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:24:25 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: NATs F3B Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Well today finished the F3B contest, XC and Aero tow. Jo I worked both days assisting with the F3B tasks. Phil Renaud ran a tight ship and things ran smoothly. The only real excitement was when Rick Bothel and myself, while working base B for the speed runs, had to take cover when one of the planes appeared to be on a collision coures with our bodys. We both bailed out of the area, hearts pumping, but the pilot regained control just before any accident occured. I didn't think this 61 year old body could still move that fast :-) Anyway, Mike Smith was again the winner today. This is begining to look like the Mike Smith NATs :-) Congrads again to a job well done Mike This is your NATS correspondent :-) George Tomorrow starts 2 days of 2Mtr. -- Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:04:55 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: NATS newsletter Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---1153710295 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daily NATS info, pictures and scores can be found at this link. _http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/natsnews.asp_ (http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/natsnews.asp) . Don Richmond San Diego, CA (Muncie, IN today) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hilaunch.com ---1153710295 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3Dtext/html; charset=3DUS-ASCII META
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7971
Some will say that PCM is better and more reliable. I can neither confirm
or dispute this point as I have not used PCM receivers. I will point you to
a couple of articles that discusses PCM, how it works and their opinion
of the advantages.
Futaba FAQ on Advantages of FM/PCM over FM/PPM
http://www.futabarc.com/faq/product-faq.html#q102
Article on PCM vs. PPM
http://www.aerodesign.de/peter/2000/PCM/PCM_PPM_eng.html#Anker143602
Best Regards,
Ed Anderson
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From: Soaring Soaring@airage.com
To: Soaring@airage.com
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:38 AM
Subject: Soaring V1 #7971
SoaringFri, 21 Jul 2006 Volume 1 : Number
7971
In this issue:
RE: [RCSE] iss res?
PCM vs FM in Sailplanes
Re: [RCSE] PCM vs FM in Sailplanes
NATs HLG
PCM vs FM in Sailplanes,,,HUGE advantages!
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:17:16 -0700
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Can somebody give me the address for the soccer fields or a mapquest link
for the res contest this Sunday?
Thanks
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[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7928
I have seen the Marauder fly at an ESL event two years ago. Flew very well. There is a build thread here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158826 The top and bottom spoilers are very effective. I would probably lean toward the EZBD as I loved the plane when I saw Mark Drela fly it. This one is probably 8 ounces heavier, but still probably flies great! The Skybench Bird has a great reputation. If this qualifies for Nostalgia, and you want to fly that class, that might be the deciding factor. Best Regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: Soaring Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Soaring V1 #7928 SoaringWed, 12 Jul 2006 Volume 1 : Number 7928 In this issue: Re: [RCSE] Buiilt up RES ship... -- Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:56:04 -0700 From: Bill Johns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring Yahoo soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Buiilt up RES ship... Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:16 AM, Douglas, Brent wrote: I'm fishing for a Fall / Winter building project, and I've got a short list put together. Any thoughts on the following. If you or a friend have seen, flown, or built any of these, I'd like to hear your thoughts. Skybench's Bird - 100 or more or the 970 (as a nostalgia ship, too) Polecat's Easy Bubble Dancer MM GliderTech's Marauder (115) * any others? Majestic from Mountain Models: mountainmodels.com/ Don't forget to consider the Drela enhancements for this particular plane. Cheers, Bill --- It is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life.B. Baggins Bill Johns Colton, WA -- End of Soaring V1 #7928 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7805
Our club, the Long Island Silent Flyers, will be hosting the Eastern Soaring League RC sailplane competition at Stillwell Woods Preserve, located in Syosset, NY. This is a two day event starting Saturday June 24 and finishing Sunday June 25th. Competition typically starts around 10 and finishes for the day Saturday around 4 and Sunday around 2, depending on conditions. If you want to get in as a last minute entrant, visit www.flyesl.com This link will take you to photos from a prior event. http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=8AaMWLRw2Ys2bFnotag=1 Some of the best RC sailplane pilots in the country will be coming in for the two day competition. There is no cost to attend and you can come and go as you please. Feel free to bring family and friends. Bring chairs, or a blanket as none are provided. This is an open field, so there is a picnic type atmosphere. There should be room for beach type umbrella if you like. Lunch is available for a nominal fee or you can pack your own cooler of food and drinks. The field is located at Stillwell Woods Park, on South Woods Road, in Syosset, NY 11791 ( it actually comes up as Woodbury) , across the street from Syosset High School. Mapquest can provide directions Assuming you have made it to Long Island, simple directions are: Long Island Expressway ( 495) to Exit 44N, Seaford Oyster Bay Expressway ( Route 135 ) Take this to the next to last exit Route 25 East, toward Woodbury. This puts you on Route 25 Jericho Tpk. Go about 1 mile - See Town of Oyster Bay Golf course on the left. At the light, turn left onto Southwoods Road. Drive about 1 mile North See Syosset HS on left and Stilwell Sports Field on the right, turn into the parking lot. Drive to the right and all the way to the back of the parking lot. You will see an orange gate which should be open to a dirt road. Drive down the road about 100 yards and you will see a large open field on the left. Drive into and along the edge of the field to where the cars are parked. The location will vary depending on the direction of the wind. Come fly with us! Ed Anderson www.lisf.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7744
Looking for Advice on Wing Incidence. I am looking forward to flying in the June ESL event at LISF on Long Island. I hope to see some of you there. I have a old yellow and blue Airtronics Legend that I am trying to tune up. I picked up a wing incidence meter and am trying to set the wing/h-stab incidence. I don't have a recommended spec so I am trying to shoot for something reasonable. If I set the stab at 0 degrees on my GP incidence meter, the wing measures 1.5 degrees below the zero. I guess that would be 1.5 degrees positive relative to the stab, correct? Any recommendations on a good starting target? It used to be more but I added 1/32 in shims under the rear wing hold down to raise the back of the wing about 6 months ago and it seemed to fly better. So I bought the incidence meter and want to set it correctly. Unfortunately I have no idea if I am right on the money or way off. I have the build manual but there is no recommendation in the book. Would a 0 degree difference between the wing and the stab be a reasonable starting point? I am thinking that there should be some difference but I may have too much. I hope to be able to upgrade to a Mantis or similar by the end of the summer, but for now this is what I have to fly. Until then, I will chalk up the work I do on this plane as a learning experience. Any advice would be appreciated. Best Regards, Ed Anderson Long Island Silent Flyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7745
Thanks to everyone who sent me e-mail to help me decide what to do with my Legend wing incidence. I had two Legend owners tell me that their incidence seems to be 0, so I am going to reduce mine to somewhere between 0 and 1/2 degree and fly it tomorrow. The input I received from others seems to reinforce the idea that somewhere between 0 and 1.5 looks reasonable. Thanks so much to everyone! Best Regards, Ed Anderson LISF Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 17:15:47 -0400 From: Ed Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: Soaring V1 #7744 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking for Advice on Wing Incidence. I am looking forward to flying in the June ESL event at LISF on Long Island. I hope to see some of you there. I have a old yellow and blue Airtronics Legend that I am trying to tune up. I picked up a wing incidence meter and am trying to set the wing/h-stab incidence. I don't have a recommended spec so I am trying to shoot for something reasonable. If I set the stab at 0 degrees on my GP incidence meter, the wing measures 1.5 degrees below the zero. I guess that would be 1.5 degrees positive relative to the stab, correct? Any recommendations on a good starting target? It used to be more but I added 1/32 in shims under the rear wing hold down to raise the back of the wing about 6 months ago and it seemed to fly better. So I bought the incidence meter and want to set it correctly. Unfortunately I have no idea if I am right on the money or way off. I have the build manual but there is no recommendation in the book. Would a 0 degree difference between the wing and the stab be a reasonable starting point? I am thinking that there should be some difference but I may have too much. I hope to be able to upgrade to a Mantis or similar by the end of the summer, but for now this is what I have to fly. Until then, I will chalk up the work I do on this plane as a learning experience. Any advice would be appreciated. Best Regards, Ed Anderson Long Island Silent Flyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Begginer Sailplanes
The Easy Glider is definitely a good first sailplane. It is not EPP but Elapor foam which is more rigid making it better for this application, but still very rugged and very fixable. Wing loading is under 6 ounces so it will float like a Gentle Lady or a Spirit with less probability of a trip to the repair table if you make a mistake. And the ailerons give you more positive control in the air. The upturned wing tips do give you some self leveling but not like a poly wing plane. It will launch from any hi-start and, if you replace the hook with a longer hook, it will launch very well off the winch. It also does well on the slope for moderate lift and the foam handles those rough slope landing sites. You will need a 4 channel radio to fly it using all controls, but I have heard that you can fly it R/E as well. I have tried it, but only for a few moments. Only real downside is that it does not penetrate very well, but I have never tried to ballast one up to see what effect that would have. Again, very much like a GL or a Spirit in this regard. Best Regards, Ed Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7272
Arne Ansper wrote: Hi! Must get new battery for TX. Current one is down to 500mAh (from 750mAh) and lasts only for 2.5 hours. I can get 1100 mAh NiCd or 1650 mAh NiMH (both Sanyo) at the same price. Which one is better for TX? Arne RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Hi Arne, If you want top quality TX pack, NoBS Batteries has about the best around. http://www.hangtimes.com/txpacks.html I just picked up a 2500 MAh NiMh pack from him. He makes it up to order with any connector in any shape. He also had 2000, and 1600 MAh packs, but I tend to fly all day so I wanted the larger pack. I had picked up a 2000 mah NiMh pack from Armondotech, via e-bay. Didn't make it through 1 year. It was cheap, but .. For RX packs I use 1100 MAh AA NiMh packs planes that are tight on space and 2100 MAh A packs in planes with more space where the weight will be useful. I am still using standard servos so I don't have the high draw that digitals can pull, but I doubt these packs would have any problem handling the load. I fly all day and have never run one of these packs down. Ed Anderson Long Island Silent Flyers www.lisf.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #7265
Jeff, I fully agree with you about the lost model locator. Walston's are great but too expensive for me to put in all my planes and too inconvenient for me to remember to move it around. I have had great success with this Lost Model Locator/Battery status device sold by California Sailplanes. It looks very similar to the one you mention. http://www.californiasailplanes.com/accessories/Lost%20model%20alarm%20New.htm It is tiny and fits easily in any of my sailplanes, my DLG or my parkflyers. I put them in and leave them in there. Every time I turn on the power to the receiver, it tells me the voltage of the receiver pack under load. I recommend them all the time! Turns a downed plane in to an inconvenience rather than a long hunt. Best Regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - From: Soaring Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:52 AM Subject: Soaring V1 #7265 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:17:43 -0600 From: Jeff Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: Redundancy Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One other little $20 item that has saved quite a few gliders in our club is the SkyKing Lost Model Locater. http://www.skykingrcproducts.com/accessories/lostmodel/lost_rc_model_alarm.html Not only does it tell you how many volts you have (under load) with 4 or 5 cell RX packs and, of course, loudly screech a variety of sounds so you can find your lost glider in the worst of terrain, but when your battery level drops too low it beeps constantly to warn you of that dangerous condition. I'll admit the in-flight low battery alarm is of more use to slope HLG fliers, who keep their gliders in closer than thermal or task flyers, but it can be very handy if your plane goes down regardless of how you fly. It costs way less than a Picolario too, so you can put one in every plane you fly, whether you use FM or PCM. It's saved my molded gliders a few times when my RX pack emptied faster than I thought it would, besides the countless times it has helped me find a downed glider. I've tried several lost model locaters, but this is the only one I've seen that does more than just beep...beep...beep, and is much easier to hear from afar than the rest I've seen. Of course I also like the idea of redundant batteries switches. Surely Mouser or some other electronics supplier has better switches than the ones we're using though, right? Has anyone found an especially high-quality switch that they like which is compatible with RC systems? Jeff Thompson -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #6983
Jim Laurel, I read your informal test of PCM vs. PPM on your JR radio. I have never heard that you could avoid channel conflict by using a PCM receiver. Failsafe and, perhaps faster or more solid signal handling were what I heard. Can anyone confirm this ability of a PCM receiver to ignore a PPM signal on the same channel? Could be a good reason for me to consider using PCM. I never had a good reason before. Ed Anderson aeajr on the forums Long Island Silent Flyers www.lisf.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #6837
Subject: Re: Soaring V1 Beginner's radio Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wednesday 21 December 2005 06.51, Norm wrote: I'd like to hear your opinions on what you think is a good radio system to get for someone just learning to fly. Something to use with basic electric trainers, foamie combat wings, and warbirds. Thanks guys- Norm, In beginner radios, I think it comes to price vs commitment. Any radio can serve the needs of a beginner but the question is where do you want to go from there? Whatever you get, it won't go to waste. GOING CHEAP - If you just want something that can fly a 3 channel plane for the lowerst possible price, the Hitec SS radios are cheap and work fine. This package for $60 includes 2 micro servos, a micro receiver, crystal, etc. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?I=LXLGF4**P=7 The receiver and servos sell for $60 by themselves, so the radio is essentially free. For $12 you can add a trainer port to it to use it in a buddy system or to run a flight sim. Practically a throw away at that price, but it still has elevon/vtail mixing and servo reversing, so it will get the basic job done! It uses dry batteries so there is no need to remember to charge. Just carry an extra pack of batteries. Great for a keep in the car, ready to fly any time! COMMITTED - Then you go to a computer radio. I think computer radios make it easer for new flyers. Dual rates and exponential can really help them with the over contol issue most new flyers have. Add to that the model memories, Digital Trims, End Point Adjustment, and trainer port. They all include elevon and V-tail mixes as well as a few other mixes so the new flyer is ready to go beyond that first plane when the time comes. I feel the value leader entry level computer radio packages, that include micro components suitable for small electrics. are: Futaba EXAS - $160 http://www.futaba-rc.com/radios/futk55.html http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?I=LXJUV7**P=ML review http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=556 6 channels, 6-model memory, Prop Flaps on ch 6, Flapperon using 1/6, 1 user defined mix. The particular package I have listed at tower comes with micro servos and receiver suitable for parkflyers Or Airtronics VG 6000 http://www.airtronics.net/VG6000.htm http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?I=LXEUY5**P=7 This particular package is very attractive for small electrics. Comes with two small servos and a 20 amp ESC. 6 channels, 4 model memories, 6 standard mixes, no user definable mix capability listed. If you are going to stay in the parkflyer catagory, or in planes under a 60 wings span, then you have to look at this one. Horizon Hobby has begun distribution of a 2.4 GHz Spread Spectrum system from SPEKTRUM. SPEKTRUM has been selling these systems for RC cars for a while. When you compare it to entry level computer radios like the Futaba 6EXAS, or the Airtronics VG 6000, it is quite competitive in price and features. And since the radio is targeted at the parkflyer community, it is packaged with 4 micro servos and a micro receiver that are very appropriate for these planes. Completely eliminates channel conflict issues. DX6 DSM 6CH Park Flyer/Micro-Heli System $199 Includes 6 channel micro receiver and 4- S75 micro servos http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Better/DX6-glance.html http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=SPM2460 http://www.rchobbies.org/spektrum-dx6.htm Digital DSMT Spread Spectrum Modulation . 10-model memory . Dual rates on aileron and elevator . Exponential rates on aileron and elevator . Dual and exponential rates can be combined on one switch . Trainer system compatible with SpektrumT and JR® radio systems. . Adjustable stick length . Throttle trim only affects idle position . Two-speed scrolling . Throttle-smart fail-safe system . Digital trims for precise adjustment Airplane Specific Features . Aileron to rudder mixing . Elevator-to-flap mixing . Flap-to-elevator mixing . Flaperon mixing . Delta wing mixing ( elevons) . Aileron differential . V-tail mixing . Three programmable mixes So, go cheap, or go entry level computer radio for the new guys. Or, go spread spectrum and never worry about channel conflict again! Ed Anderson aeajr on the forums Long Island Silent Flyers www.lisf.org - Original Message - From: Soaring Soaring@airage.com To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Soaring V1 #6837 SoaringWed, 21 Dec 2005 Volume 1 : Number 6837 In this issue: Re: Soaring V1 ??? (Digital SLR) Re: Soaring V1 Beginner's radio RE: [RCSE] Beginner's radio -- Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:23:51 +0100 From: Tord Eriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: Soaring V1 Beginner's radio Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wednesday
[RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #4778
You can download it here: http://www.greatplanes.com/parts/index.html Ed Anderson aeajr on the forums Long Island Silent Flyers www.lisf.org - Original Message - From: Soaring [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:17 AM Subject: Soaring V1 #4778 SoaringThu, 9 Dec 2004 Volume 1 : Number 4778 In this issue: looking for Spirit Instruction Booklet -- Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 21:44:16 -0500 From: Robert Rondeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: looking for Spirit Instruction Booklet Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, I have an orphaned Spirit kit that somebody left in my basement 1/4 built. I am planning on giving it to a new power flyer in our club as a first kit build for the Winter. I have the plans but can't find any of those nice little booklets that take you through the process by the numbers.. Anybody who has one would be very kind to send it to me at: Bob Rondeau 18 Friendship Rd Brattleboro, VT 05301 You might want to let me know first - I don't want to get a mailbox full and cause a recycle paper shortage... Thanks in advance Bob -- End of Soaring V1 #4778 *** RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
