[Biofuel] Castor beens and oil
We are developping a project to replace fossil fuel ( about 12 million gallons per year ) by vegetable oil at 1 to1 ratio . The customer is a paper industry. We will have small farmers planting castor to begin with and later we will move to jatropha when we domesticate it. We will press and extract the oil then burn it in the furnace. The problem we will face in the field is odor as when we press castor beens a _*very bad smell*_ just come out( we found that on our lab/bench test). As of know we do not want a individual solution ( masks with activated carbon ) but an industrial operational solution. Does any one had experienced same thing with castor??? If so is there any solution and if so what is it and how do we implement it I thank you in advance for your cooperation. Very best for us Chico ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] bush and money.
I might be mistaken and probably are but it appears to me that now mr wolfowitz has his hands on a bottomless pit of money that he is going to give his buddy ALL THAT IT TAKES to get rid of the baddies. When is the next election in the U.S.? It seems that there will be just enough time to duplicate the Iraq effort in Iran and N. Korea. Does anybody else think this is a possibility? or am i just paranoid. One way to achieve it would be to drive oil prices sky high so as to fill the coffers of your mates oil company's,then they in turn could produce more fuel reserves for just an action. But that couldn't be because that would mean the bosses have an alternative agenda to what they are telling all the gullible little people. The little back slapping bum licking bloke from Aust might just wake up to how he has been used. Well anyway i just thought i would air my paranoia. Keep your bomb shelters in order guys, cheers. Andrew. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Optimism
Bravo, it is early fall where I live and although the one of my jasmine bushes are still blooming I can tell the season nearly over. But I have fond remembrances of my black raspberries straight from the canes and the incredible ice cream my wife made from this first year of harvest. I never dreamed that those three stunted canes I received from a departing friend would fill the 3 meters of trellis I made two years ago. This year the harvest from those scrawny starting was more than three kilos. I expect even better results next year and have scavenged two brand new cuttings to give to my father in law so his wife can remember better the taste from her native country of Chile. Stay connected to the Earth. It«s wonderful. Tom -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31/03/05 17:16 Subject: [Biofuel] Optimism All this talk about oil depletion, climate change and pollution seems lost on the robins that are hopping around in my yard. My neighbors don't seem to notice, but the robins stay on my property and simply don't bother venturing anywhere else. Right now, there are about a dozen of them hunting outside my window. In between the rain storms, my sweetheart, my boys and I have been outside working our gardens. It's been a long, hard road, but our soil is alive--it's literally crawling with arthropods, nematodes and annelidas. My boys shout excitedly when they see evidence of mycorrhizal fungi in our soil. They hack at Keith's beloved deep rooted herbs with hoes and shovels, saying die weeds! with great enthusiasm. Although I don't sanction attitudes of that nature, those thoughts have crossed my mind as I dig out the maze of interconnected horsetail roots that proliferate around my property. Our trees are blossoming. The fruit bearing bushes responded well to heavy pruning in November. It looks like the pear we didn't think would make it through another season is bravely putting out flowers, while the Italian prunes and native aspens are growing at astonishing speed. (They were seedlings two years ago, and now they're all taller than I am!) My efforts last fall, digging compost around the trees, appears to have spurred this wild growth. We will have lots of apples. Our lonesome cherry seems far happier than it was at this time last year. The only tree that isn't doing well is the dogwood in my front yard. Dump trucks rumble downhill, laden with dirt taken off of someone else's property, their jake brakes growling as tires kick up clouds of dust. I shake my head, knowing that someone else will have to labor to rebuild what the trucks are carting away, and all that soil ground by their massive wheels will wash into the storm drains when the rains return this afternoon. Some people call that progress. . . My back hurts and my shoulders ache, but I feel very alive and somehow better connected to the piece of land on which I live than is the case with neighbors who are now convinced beyond doubt that there is something terribly wrong with me! I smile and wave. Working in the dirt has this magical way of inspiring contentment, despite oil depletion, radical religious zealotry, climate change and the host of other problems we face. Everyone should have a garden! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out
Hello Keith, When I get a few spare moments I will delve into the archives. As a closet historian I was aware of the german synfuel efforts during WWII. I was merely pointing out what the 1973 oil crisis spawned in the industry that I was working in. BTW two of the members of that synfuels project contacted cancer and died. Coal based synfuels have a really nasty bunch of wasteproducts that are difficult to deal with. I don«t believe it is a sustainable path at all. Tom -Original Message- From: Keith Addison To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31/03/05 14:37 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out Hello Tom Hakan, I will read what you have sent. However, the oil industry already knows where the oil is. I don't have to tell them. They do not make public their major finds because there is still some competition among the big players. I also have no plans to get rich at the expense of my children and grandchildren's environment. It's immoral. Once Bush received his 52% mandate the Alaskan Wilderness was doomed. If I am wrong about oil, the industry will only shift to coal. It can be transformed to liquid fuel easily. The technology for that was developed in the 1980's by Air Products and Chemicals among many others. Um, you're a bit late. I was using high-quality gasoline produced from poor-quality coal 45 years ago. From three years ago: A member of this group tells this story: One of our oldest scientists, now 84 yrs. old, was responsible for going into Germany post WWII and uncovering the remains of Hitler's synthetic fuels machine which had been bombed out. I'm speaking of Fischer-Tropsch oily-based paraffins which are hydrocracked down into shorter chains for synthetic gasoline, jet fuel and diesel. He brought back some of the original German scientists who'd perfected this technology which utilized coarse, low-grade brown German coal as feedstock. Three times he tried to start-up an American version of synthetic hydrocarbon fuels in the GTL arena and was blocked. As the highest ranking American energy technologist post WWII, he couldn't figure this out. It was over 20 years later that he realized that the late John Rockefeller of Standard Oil [Exxon] had been the politic behind the scenes, making sure that his new, alternative fuel ideas did not materialize. This scientist then took his blueprints for the first major GTL project and gave them to Sasol who built his first coal gasification device back in 1953 and it is still operating today. Sasol from South Africa is the oldest synthetic fuels producer globally. There is lots in the archives about this, it is often discussed. It's strongly recommended that you make more use of the archives, listed at the end of each message you receive: Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Best wishes Keith Addison It's just waiting for the price of oil or the lack of it to make it profitable. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to make methanol in your backyard so to speak? And the other question is it possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? I am putting together a proposal for an East African country to follow Brazils lead and have to do some homework first. selam, tom mountain ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Bob, You were right and I am wrong and I am glad that I did get a very good explanation on how Hubbert could be so right. It also explains why president Carter was so genuinely worried, when he developed his energy plan. He had the foresight to realize that Hubbert was right. It also explains why we see the surge in the genuine hate of Americans. It is the cost of aggressive and egoistic foreign policies, that resulted in about 10 more years of artificially low oil prices. All of this, ending up in an almost criminal behavior by the Bush administration. I say almost, because I do not want to be too crude. The legal aspect of being criminal, is very clearly established, Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that Iraq were no WMD threat to US. By laying the responsibility at the feet of faulty US intelligence community, the Bush administration is trying deliberately to avoid their legal responsibility. A kind of reversed side of the well known argument it was not my fault, I was ordered to do it. LOL All of this supported by the America people, in a reelection of president Bush. I hear the false argument that only 48% voted him in office. This argument is poor mathematics, I cannot get to this result, when Bush won with a more than 3 million of the populous American vote. It was the first election of Bush, that he did not have a populous majority and he was put in office by the Courts. Hakan At 11:16 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: All I know is what I read in the brief biography. (and what I recall from hearing about his work many years ago) Hakan Falk wrote: Bob, I stand corrected and the only excuse I have, is that I only brought forward a mistake that I read earlier. I remember that it was an article about the hearings in US congress in mid 70'. Will however not do this mistake again, but do not despair, there are many others I will do and surely in my far from perfect English. -:) What was his field at Berkeley? Hakan At 05:35 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Howdy Hakan, calling him a mathematician is a bit short-sighted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_King_Hubbert Hubbert was born in San Saba, Texas in 1903. He attended the University of Chicago, where he received his B.S. in 1926, his M.S. in 1928, and his Ph.D in 1937, studying geology, mathematics, and physics. He worked as an assistant geologist for the Amerada Petroleum Company for two years while pursuing his Ph.D. He joined the Shell Oil Company in 1943, retiring in 1964. After he retired from Shell, he became a senior research geophysicist for the United States Geological Survey until his retirement in 1976. He also held positions as a professor of geology and geophysics at Stanford University from 1963 to 1968, and as a professor at Berkeley from 1973 to 1976. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Hakan, I would like to give a humble option here, ( Hakan wrote;...Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that Iraq were no WMD threat to US. ) We took out Hitler for the same reason, Him and Suddam Hussein were weapons of mass destruction. H. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March, 2005 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come Bob, You were right and I am wrong and I am glad that I did get a very good explanation on how Hubbert could be so right. It also explains why president Carter was so genuinely worried, when he developed his energy plan. He had the foresight to realize that Hubbert was right. It also explains why we see the surge in the genuine hate of Americans. It is the cost of aggressive and egoistic foreign policies, that resulted in about 10 more years of artificially low oil prices. All of this, ending up in an almost criminal behavior by the Bush administration. I say almost, because I do not want to be too crude. The legal aspect of being criminal, is very clearly established, Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that Iraq were no WMD threat to US. By laying the responsibility at the feet of faulty US intelligence community, the Bush administration is trying deliberately to avoid their legal responsibility. A kind of reversed side of the well known argument it was not my fault, I was ordered to do it. LOL All of this supported by the America people, in a reelection of president Bush. I hear the false argument that only 48% voted him in office. This argument is poor mathematics, I cannot get to this result, when Bush won with a more than 3 million of the populous American vote. It was the first election of Bush, that he did not have a populous majority and he was put in office by the Courts. Hakan At 11:16 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: All I know is what I read in the brief biography. (and what I recall from hearing about his work many years ago) Hakan Falk wrote: Bob, I stand corrected and the only excuse I have, is that I only brought forward a mistake that I read earlier. I remember that it was an article about the hearings in US congress in mid 70'. Will however not do this mistake again, but do not despair, there are many others I will do and surely in my far from perfect English. -:) What was his field at Berkeley? Hakan At 05:35 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Howdy Hakan, calling him a mathematician is a bit short-sighted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_King_Hubbert Hubbert was born in San Saba, Texas in 1903. He attended the University of Chicago, where he received his B.S. in 1926, his M.S. in 1928, and his Ph.D in 1937, studying geology, mathematics, and physics. He worked as an assistant geologist for the Amerada Petroleum Company for two years while pursuing his Ph.D. He joined the Shell Oil Company in 1943, retiring in 1964. After he retired from Shell, he became a senior research geophysicist for the United States Geological Survey until his retirement in 1976. He also held positions as a professor of geology and geophysics at Stanford University from 1963 to 1968, and as a professor at Berkeley from 1973 to 1976. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
All of this supported by the America people, in a reelection of president Bush. I hear the false argument that only 48% voted him in office. This argument is poor mathematics, I cannot get to this result, when Bush won with a more than 3 million of the populous American vote. It was the first election of Bush, that he did not have a populous majority and he was put in office by the Courts. Hakan Respectfully sir, I think you misunderstand. 48% of those of us who actually voted, voted AGAINST Mr. Bush. What's happening in the United States right now is eerily reminiscent of Germany in the late 1930's and into WWII. Even the coalition building rhetoric is the same. Some of you may be old enough to remember Nazi propaganda published when they invaded the Soviet Union. I'm too young to have been a live witness, but I've read historical documents showing arrows for German divisions, along with the Bulgarians, Spaniards, Vichy French and other nations who made up a tiny fraction of the invasion force, with headings that promoted the imminent victory of allied forces over the tyranny of Bolshevism. (I understand very little German, but the message was very clear!) What happened to those people in Germany who spoke out against their government's policies? Right now, people who are engaged in disseminating views contrary to our government's stated position are either being shouted down by screaming fanatics, or are being intimidated into silence. I've just read a message from a Christian anti-war group whose ISP has pulled the plug on their account because of SPAM complaints. They do not promote SPAM. Certain radicals who don't want the anti-war message broadcast over the internet sign up for the group, then complain to their ISPs about SPAM originating from this particular ministry. With intimidation of this nature, it's becoming increasingly difficult to use technology to spread anti-war information. We now have The Patriot Act, which can be used to severely curtail our free speech. Our nation's capitol building has been surrounded by a fence and concrete barricades. I've seen snipers on top of the White House. It's a scary time over here. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Lutec
Hey guys? Was this an April 1 special?? (April Fools Day) I did not look at it, but always look at things that are too good to be true as they probably ARE too good to be true! regards Doug On Friday 01 April 2005 8:15, Chris Bennett wrote: Tom Irwin wrote: Hi All, Some of you real physics guys have to tell me how this thing can possibly work. As near as I know from teaching the subject in school you can't get more energy out of a system than you put in. You can't even get the same energy out that you put in. How in the world can you get 15 times more energy out than you put in? Please help me. I'm lost. Tom Irwin You are quite right. Its absurd. It can't possibly work. I have seen several similar claims in recent years claiming their invention will give 100% power increases they usually ask for donations or deposits somewhere on the site. No mention was given in the site to paying money but I did find a section asking electrical workers to apply to go on one of their 'seminars' to become part of their network of approved installers! Unless of course they are genuine, in which case I am going to sue the university that tought me the fundamental laws of thermodynamics and wasted several years of my life! The sad thing is that these sorts of people often make large sums of money from the less educated amongst us who believe what they are told. Chris.. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
I must say first of all that I was only acting as the bearer of the information. I also did not say that I believed it was real, only that I hoped that it was. Anything wrong with that? If you read the Lutec website you will see that they do not want your money, even if you offered it to them. (My friend Renee has known co-inventor John since the early 80's when he was working on this device. She later lost contact with him when he moved to Santa Cruz. She was surprised, relieved, and very happy to see that John might have finally got the device to work.) Now for Michael's point that no energy is produced since force x distance = energy. I don't know, but if the magnet is counteracting the force of gravity, it seems that something energetic must be doing this. Let's do a mental experiment. Suppose that a steel bearing is precisely balancing the force of gravity so that the bearing is suspended in space. Now let's introduce a very small magnet next to the bigger one that holding the bearing suspended. What will happen? The bearing will rise against the force of gravity until it contacts the magnet. Work was done, obviously. But now the magnet is not doing classical work since the bearing is in contact with it. No movement implies no energy expenditure. Only potential energy remains. The inventors compare this situation to one using an electromagnet. If an electromagnet is used you must pump current through the coil winding to make the magnetic force arise. To hold the bearing in place against the force of gravity you must expend energy to hold the bearing. Energy is used up as the current goes through the windings. The magnet does this for free. That's their argument. Is it sound? Well, if the windings and source had zero resistance, the loss would be zero, and it too would be free. So it doesn't seem to be a valid argument. Maybe they were using baby talk to explain a complex idea? But by simplifying they missed the mark. It could be that this device is working in spite of an imperfect knowledge, by the inventors, of it. Inventors do a huge amount of trial and error steps as they try to perfect their concept. And most are not PhD's in quantum physics. WRT the patent, it is always safer to make the lesser claim. I think that's what they did. In a field as controversial as this, it is the pragmatic thing to do. It could be that the device is working but the reasons given are not the actual ones. It could be because of some unknown reaction. The bottom line to me is the measurements. If the energy output is greater than the energy input then it's working. It is very nice indeed though to know how/why the device is doing what it's doing. It might take a lot of lab analysis to get to that point. I would hope that some top flight lab is doing this kind of work on the Lutec device. (and others, but let's leave them aside). As I implied from my original message, I HOPE the Lutec device is real. I won't bet $1000 on it, for sure! Maybe $1. If it isn't the one we're all waiting for, from what I have read by some very smart people, it is only a matter of time before the Casimir Force and what it represents, really is harnessed, now that it's existence is proven. These physicists subject themselves to the disdain of their peers but nevertheless forge ahead. We should all be thankful that such people exist. In the past, all inventors/researchers of really new technology were ridiculed, some were even jailed or worse. (Big Oil must be very fearful that this technology gets out without their total control of it.) Peace and light, D. Mindock P.S. I don't consider this subject to be spam. It is about energy and that's what biofuel is. - Original Message - From: Michael Nehring [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device Hi, I've been on the list for a couple months now, reading happily, but have yet to post anything. So first, hi everyone:-). Internet scams or jokes are among my favorites, just because sometimes they're so funny and sometimes they're just so clever. I have to admit that this is pretty clever. First, there is reference to a US Patent application on their website. After do a little searching, I found a patent (granted) as described by them. US Patent number 6,630,806 viewable at: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=/netahtml/srchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=6,630,806.WKU.OS=PN/6,630,806RS=PN/6,630,806 (Here one can note the inefficiency of the US patent office, since the website address includes the patent number 3 times, where one time would have sufficed). However, the patent is not for an unlimited energy machine, but rather [t]he present invention is aimed at providing an improved rotary device which operates with improved efficiency compared to conventional rotary devices. So it seems they just invented a smoother motor,
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hello Keith and thank you for your input. I agree with you, blending an oil with a high IV with one with a lower, should produce an average IV. But in some course literature I read some time ago, it said that oil spill from rape seed oil will leave you two months to wipe it up before it polymerizes, soy bean oil will leave you two weeks, and linseed oil two days. From this way of reasoning one can conclude, when comparing the average IV values of each oil, that blending rape seed oil with llinseed oil to an average IV value of soybean oil, will produce an oil with similar polymerization properties as soybean oil. And further- if producing of biodiesel out of high IV oils, will lower the fatty acids« ability to polymerize one can conclude that the first step of polmerization takes place within the triglyceride molecule, possibly with bridges of oxygen between the double bonds of different fatty acids. In methyl ester the fatty acids with the right will to polymerize have some difficulties finding each other and build bridges. Give me some input on this way of explanation ,Keith ! Best regards Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hello DB and all Anyone making bio-diesel should be concerned with the IV of the oil and the polymerzation of the engine. After a careful reading of the australian report WVO as a Diesel replacement fuel it is obvious that they are concerned with it's use as straight veggy oil and Not so much Bio-diesel.( I would be concerned too) Here is a direct quote from that report. Trans esterifying triglyceride oils and fats with monohydric alcohols to form biodiesel largly eliminates the tendency of the oils and fats to polymerization and auto-oxidation.. The base crop for european biodiesel being rapeseed with a IV of 98 is a reasonable goal to acheve. Most of my stock is soy oil and much of it is hydrogenated. I also get cottonseed and peanut oil along with canola (rapeseed) I no longer use straight soy oil and try to make a blend. In the past when I only had soy oil based biodiesel I would only run BD50. I an no longer worried about the IV of the oil and if you are then just run BD50.Drive down the road Happy...DB ..PS. I have been making biodiesel since '02 and have made 1000's of gallons with zero problems. I agree, and thankyou, but I'm not sure I follow the logic of your solution, attractive though it is. Does an IV value average out when you blend different oils? Other things will, of course, like say FFA levels, you'll end up with an average and that's that. But in a blend with biodiesel made from a high IV oil with biodiesel made from lower IV oils, while the proportion of high IV oil will be lower, what's to stop it oxidising and polymerising just the same? Blending it doesn't change its makeup. I'm not sure what effect blending it with petrodiesel would have, but that wouldn't change its makeup either, it still has its double bonds to be broken down and polymerise. All you'd get is proportionately less polymerisation, no? So it'll take longer to gunge up the engine. That doesn't solve the problem, just mitigates it. Sorry, I don't know if this is right or not, just trying to be logical - maybe it doesn't work like that, but I'd like to know. Regards Keith - Original Message - From: TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Where can we get the veg-based motor oil? Can better oil filtering help with this problem? Racor has a motor oil filter used in race cars. - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?] Thanks for the follow up, Keith. I have since spent many hours researching the issue and have found some relevant facts here: www.blt.bmlf.gv.at/vero/veroeff/0100_Technical_performance_of_methyl_esthe rs _e.pdf #www.blt.bmlf.gv.atveroveroeff0100_Tec Keith Addison wrote: Hello Stephan, Jan and all I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 This was the
[Biofuel] New Crop of batteries
Hello folks, I've just read an exciting piece of news. The new crop of electric batetries is upon us. These are the usual Li-Ion batteries, but with a twist - ability to charge to 80% capacity in 1minute. Also these have excelent lifecycle - only loose 1% of capacity after 1000 cycles The energy density is the same as usual Li-Ions (not very much, when compared to gasoline energy density, but sifficient). Article also says that these will debut in 2006, probably in hybrid cars first. Also has the potential to revive the electric cars This is the kind of breakthrough I've dreamed for a long time. Generaly speaking, such breakthroughs can change the entire landscape of electricity usage. http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2005_03/pr2901.htm http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7081 Also a long'ish discussion on slashdot: http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/03/30/0050228.shtml?tid=126tid=137 -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Lutec
Bruno M. wrote: snip The only free energy on earth is solar energy ( besides a little cosmic radiation, and we leave fission out ). If you harvest this ( and convert this) in any form you can say you have captured free energy. snip Hehe, I think you also forgot the mechanical energy of the earth-moon system (AKA tidal energy) :-P -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biofuel and Oil Burning Furnaces
Hallo Folks, We have run out of wood and I am not fit to cut and split it at this time so we had to use our fuel oil furnace which needed more attention than I was qualified to give it. I spoke to Erv, the repairman, about the problems with diesel Nr. 1 and Nr. 2 and then asked him about biofuel and the furnace. He told me there were no rubber parts at all that would touch the biofuel and that the only thing which would need to be changed for it to work would possibly be the nozzle. I have seen this topic several times on the list but don't remember the details of the discussion. Thought this might be of some use to someone. I know I will be heating with biofuel this winter. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Lots of questions
Thanks Kim You are right ~BEST~ Roy Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Many people are switching from electric hot water to propane, so the electric hot water heaters are available. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:15 AM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Ken Where do you get a SPENT hot water heater that doesn't leak. For me ... that would be the reason to get rid of it. Thankks Wide open for ideas Roy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Hi All, Correct me if I am wrong but I believe President Carter was the only President to be an engineer. I recall him as having a degree in nuclear engineering? True? He is also a great humanitarian. Tom -Original Message- From: Hakan Falk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/31/05 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come Bob, You were right and I am wrong and I am glad that I did get a very good explanation on how Hubbert could be so right. It also explains why president Carter was so genuinely worried, when he developed his energy plan. He had the foresight to realize that Hubbert was right. It also explains why we see the surge in the genuine hate of Americans. It is the cost of aggressive and egoistic foreign policies, that resulted in about 10 more years of artificially low oil prices. All of this, ending up in an almost criminal behavior by the Bush administration. I say almost, because I do not want to be too crude. The legal aspect of being criminal, is very clearly established, Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that Iraq were no WMD threat to US. By laying the responsibility at the feet of faulty US intelligence community, the Bush administration is trying deliberately to avoid their legal responsibility. A kind of reversed side of the well known argument it was not my fault, I was ordered to do it. LOL All of this supported by the America people, in a reelection of president Bush. I hear the false argument that only 48% voted him in office. This argument is poor mathematics, I cannot get to this result, when Bush won with a more than 3 million of the populous American vote. It was the first election of Bush, that he did not have a populous majority and he was put in office by the Courts. Hakan At 11:16 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: All I know is what I read in the brief biography. (and what I recall from hearing about his work many years ago) Hakan Falk wrote: Bob, I stand corrected and the only excuse I have, is that I only brought forward a mistake that I read earlier. I remember that it was an article about the hearings in US congress in mid 70'. Will however not do this mistake again, but do not despair, there are many others I will do and surely in my far from perfect English. -:) What was his field at Berkeley? Hakan At 05:35 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Howdy Hakan, calling him a mathematician is a bit short-sighted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_King_Hubbert Hubbert was born in San Saba, Texas in 1903. He attended the University of Chicago, where he received his B.S. in 1926, his M.S. in 1928, and his Ph.D in 1937, studying geology, mathematics, and physics. He worked as an assistant geologist for the Amerada Petroleum Company for two years while pursuing his Ph.D. He joined the Shell Oil Company in 1943, retiring in 1964. After he retired from Shell, he became a senior research geophysicist for the United States Geological Survey until his retirement in 1976. He also held positions as a professor of geology and geophysics at Stanford University from 1963 to 1968, and as a professor at Berkeley from 1973 to 1976. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel reactor setup
Keith At the risk of looking ignorant, are the items you listed in your email ALL found at journey to forever? I also am looking to go BIO the simplest way. Bye the way it seems the JTF site is down. Thanks Roy Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sir/Madam, I would like to make simplest biodiesel reactor. Can any one guide me on this reactor. regards, cuneyt See: Test-batch mini-processor Simple 5-gallon processor Journey to Forever 90-litre processor The 'Deepthort 100B' Batch Reactor Ian's vacuum biodiesel processor Chuck Ranum's biodiesel processor Micro-Production System for Biodiesel 833 Gallon Per Day Batch Plant K.I.S.S. processor Pelly Model A processor Luc's processor-in-a-cabinet Foolproof method processors The touchless processor Continuous reactors How to make a cone-bottomed processor http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors: Journey to Forever Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORK PRODUCTS BUSINESS HTTP://WWW.TRIVITA.COM/11393920 - Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Hi All, As an American who believes in the U.S. Constitution as written by our founding fathers, I will do all I legally can to change this tyrannical situation in my country. I will do it with my voice. I will do it with my pen. I will do it with my vote. I will not be shouted down. I will not be intimidated into silence. I have strong feelings regarding my home and country. It is not representing me or my interests. I call on all Americans to begin the legal, non-violent, opposition to what has happenned to our nation. Sincerely and humbly, Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/1/05 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come Hakan Falk wrote: All of this supported by the America people, in a reelection of president Bush. I hear the false argument that only 48% voted him in office. This argument is poor mathematics, I cannot get to this result, when Bush won with a more than 3 million of the populous American vote. It was the first election of Bush, that he did not have a populous majority and he was put in office by the Courts. Hakan Respectfully sir, I think you misunderstand. 48% of those of us who actually voted, voted AGAINST Mr. Bush. What's happening in the United States right now is eerily reminiscent of Germany in the late 1930's and into WWII. Even the coalition building rhetoric is the same. Some of you may be old enough to remember Nazi propaganda published when they invaded the Soviet Union. I'm too young to have been a live witness, but I've read historical documents showing arrows for German divisions, along with the Bulgarians, Spaniards, Vichy French and other nations who made up a tiny fraction of the invasion force, with headings that promoted the imminent victory of allied forces over the tyranny of Bolshevism. (I understand very little German, but the message was very clear!) What happened to those people in Germany who spoke out against their government's policies? Right now, people who are engaged in disseminating views contrary to our government's stated position are either being shouted down by screaming fanatics, or are being intimidated into silence. I've just read a message from a Christian anti-war group whose ISP has pulled the plug on their account because of SPAM complaints. They do not promote SPAM. Certain radicals who don't want the anti-war message broadcast over the internet sign up for the group, then complain to their ISPs about SPAM originating from this particular ministry. With intimidation of this nature, it's becoming increasingly difficult to use technology to spread anti-war information. We now have The Patriot Act, which can be used to severely curtail our free speech. Our nation's capitol building has been surrounded by a fence and concrete barricades. I've seen snipers on top of the White House. It's a scary time over here. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Hakan, I would like to give a humble option here, ( Hakan wrote;...Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that Iraq were no WMD threat to US. ) We took out Hitler for the same reason, Him and Suddam Hussein were weapons of mass destruction. H. Judging from past posts, I think Hakan and many others here are a little sceptical about claims that the US took out Hitler. As for Saddam, as is very well known and widely established beyond any possibility of doubt or controversy... http://www.progressive.org/0901/anth0498.html The Progressive magazine April 1998 Issue Anthrax for Export U.S. companies sold Iraq the ingredients for a witch's brew by William Blum The United States almost went to war against Iraq in February because of Saddam Hussein's weapons program. In his State of the Union address, President Clinton castigated Hussein for developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. You cannot defy the will of the world, the President proclaimed. You have used weapons of mass destruction before. We are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again. Most Americans listening to the President did not know that the United States supplied Iraq with much of the raw material for creating a chemical and biological warfare program. Nor did the media report that U.S. companies sold Iraq more than $1 billion worth of the components needed to build nuclear weapons and diverse types of missiles, including the infamous Scud. When Iraq engaged in chemical and biological warfare in the 1980s, barely a peep of moral outrage could be heard from Washington, as it kept supplying Saddam with the materials he needed to build weapons. From 1980 to 1988, Iraq and Iran waged a terrible war against each other, a war that might not have begun if President Jimmy Carter had not given the Iraqis a green light to attack Iran, in response to repeated provocations. Throughout much of the war, the United States provided military aid and intelligence information to both sides, hoping that each would inflict severe damage on the other. Noam Chomsky suggests that this strategy is a way for America to keep control of its oil supply: It's been a leading, driving doctrine of U.S. foreign policy since the 1940s that the vast and unparalleled energy resources of the Gulf region will be effectively dominated by the United States and its clients, and, crucially, that no independent indigenous force will be permitted to have a substantial influence on the administration of oil production and price. During the Iran-Iraq war, Iraq received the lion's share of American support because at the time Iran was regarded as the greater threat to U.S. interests. According to a 1994 Senate report, private American suppliers, licensed by the U.S. Department of Commerce, exported a witch's brew of biological and chemical materials to Iraq from 1985 through 1989. Among the biological materials, which often produce slow, agonizing death, were: * Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax. * Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin. * Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord, and heart. * Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs. * Clostridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness. * Clostridium tetani, a highly toxigenic substance. Also on the list: Escherichia coli (E. coli), genetic materials, human and bacterial DNA, and dozens of other pathogenic biological agents. These biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction, the Senate report stated. It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and removed from the Iraqi biological warfare program. The report noted further that U.S. exports to Iraq included the precursors to chemical-warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare production facilities, and chemical-warhead filling equipment. The exports continued to at least November 28, 1989, despite evidence that Iraq was engaging in chemical and biological warfare against Iranians and Kurds since as early as 1984. The American company that provided the most biological materials to Iraq in the 1980s was American Type Culture Collection of Maryland and Virginia, which made seventy shipments of the anthrax-causing germ and other pathogenic agents, according to a 1996 Newsday story. Other American companies also provided Iraq with the chemical or biological compounds, or the facilities and equipment used to create the compounds for chemical and biological warfare. Among these suppliers were the following: * Alcolac International, a Baltimore chemical manufacturer already linked to the illegal shipment of chemicals to Iran, shipped large quantities of thiodiglycol (used to make mustard gas)
RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out
Hello Keith, When I get a few spare moments I will delve into the archives. You should MAKE the time BEFORE you send new posts that just rehash old ground that's been gone over again and again and again. As advised in the List rules, which you were referred to in the Welcome message you were sent when you joined the group, and which you're obliged to read. The List rules are here: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html As a closet historian I was aware of the german synfuel efforts during WWII. I was merely pointing out what the 1973 oil crisis spawned in the industry that I was working in. BTW two of the members of that synfuels project contacted cancer and died. Coal based synfuels have a really nasty bunch of wasteproducts that are difficult to deal with. I don«t believe it is a sustainable path at all. Ask Sasol, they might have a different view, and have both the record and the production to prove it. It's still a fossil fuel and on those grounds it's not sustainable. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Tom -Original Message- From: Keith Addison To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31/03/05 14:37 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] when will it run out Hello Tom Hakan, I will read what you have sent. However, the oil industry already knows where the oil is. I don't have to tell them. They do not make public their major finds because there is still some competition among the big players. I also have no plans to get rich at the expense of my children and grandchildren's environment. It's immoral. Once Bush received his 52% mandate the Alaskan Wilderness was doomed. If I am wrong about oil, the industry will only shift to coal. It can be transformed to liquid fuel easily. The technology for that was developed in the 1980's by Air Products and Chemicals among many others. Um, you're a bit late. I was using high-quality gasoline produced from poor-quality coal 45 years ago. From three years ago: A member of this group tells this story: One of our oldest scientists, now 84 yrs. old, was responsible for going into Germany post WWII and uncovering the remains of Hitler's synthetic fuels machine which had been bombed out. I'm speaking of Fischer-Tropsch oily-based paraffins which are hydrocracked down into shorter chains for synthetic gasoline, jet fuel and diesel. He brought back some of the original German scientists who'd perfected this technology which utilized coarse, low-grade brown German coal as feedstock. Three times he tried to start-up an American version of synthetic hydrocarbon fuels in the GTL arena and was blocked. As the highest ranking American energy technologist post WWII, he couldn't figure this out. It was over 20 years later that he realized that the late John Rockefeller of Standard Oil [Exxon] had been the politic behind the scenes, making sure that his new, alternative fuel ideas did not materialize. This scientist then took his blueprints for the first major GTL project and gave them to Sasol who built his first coal gasification device back in 1953 and it is still operating today. Sasol from South Africa is the oldest synthetic fuels producer globally. There is lots in the archives about this, it is often discussed. It's strongly recommended that you make more use of the archives, listed at the end of each message you receive: Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgro up/biofuel/ Best wishes Keith Addison It's just waiting for the price of oil or the lack of it to make it profitable. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
on this planet. I think not in this universe.This guy has slid over into another dimension or what? JD2005 Eric Krieg lists 78 free energy scams here, doesn't seem to get into the zero-point stuff and instant cold fusion, so there's all that besides: http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines Plus: How to become a Free Energy con man http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm And: The Museum of Unworkable Devices http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm Enjoy! Keith - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Processor for BDiesel Coop
Hello all, This is my first time posting here. I am just starting to really get my feet wet, and understand all the ideas that are being put forth here on the list, and I am very thankful for the wise discussions. We are just starting up a biofuel co-op here in Manitoba, and I am wondering what all your opinions are on the best , safest, and most professional looking processor for biodiesel to start up with. We would be supplying about 20 or so co-op members to start with, and hoping to grow from there. I hope I can draw from your members experiences, and be guided a little, as I am not sure which processor is the best to start with. Also, are there different processor types that work best if you are processing, both recycled waste vegetable oils, as well as say canola? Tracey Turner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Lutec
free? H. - Original Message - From: Tomas Juknevicius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bruno M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 April, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: Lutec Bruno M. wrote: snip The only free energy on earth is solar energy ( besides a little cosmic radiation, and we leave fission out ). If you harvest this ( and convert this) in any form you can say you have captured free energy. snip Hehe, I think you also forgot the mechanical energy of the earth-moon system (AKA tidal energy) :-P -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
- Original Message - From: Thomas Mountain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible? As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to make methanol in your backyard so to speak? And the other question is it possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? I am putting together a proposal for an East African country to follow Brazils lead and have to do some homework first. selam, tom mountain ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Lutec isn't first on the block
FYI: Lutec isn't first on the block. The Methernitha Society has been making these claims for a long time. Very interesting story (even if it is proven untrue) because is begs the question -- If not with the claimed method, how are they providing power to the homes in their village? This subject was touched briefly before. See: Message #44560 Mike R - THE SWISS METHERNITHA M-L CONVERTER Courtesy of FTIR and Don Kelly The Space Energy Association (Don Kelly, P.O. Box 1136, Clearwater, FL 34617) is building a prototype Swiss M-L converter. This is a development of the old Wimshurst generator designed by Paul Baumann and operating at the Methernitha community in Switzerland for many years. http://www.padrak.com/ine/NEN_6_6_7.html see also: http://www.methernitha.com/ http://search.msn.com/results.asp?FORM=AS35srch=5q=SWISS+METHERNITHA Tomas Juknevicius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruno M. wrote: The only free energy on earth is solar energy ( besides a little cosmic radiation, and we leave fission out ). If you harvest this ( and convert this) in any form you can say you have captured free energy. Hehe, I think you also forgot the mechanical energy of the earth-moon system (AKA tidal energy) :-P -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
with a high IV with one with a lower, should produce an average IV. No Jan, that's not what I said, I don't think it will produce an average IV. An iodine test might give you an average result, but the makeup of the high IV oil will remain unchanged, and it will polymerise anyway. How can blending oils change their chemical characteristics? The double bonds will remain, though in the blend there will be fewer of them, only because there'll be less of that kind of oil. But it will still polymerise. I'm not sure about this, but it seems logical, and your explanation seems illogical - merely blending oils cannot change their chemical characteristics. But in some course literature I read some time ago, it said that oil spill from rape seed oil will leave you two months to wipe it up before it polymerizes, soy bean oil will leave you two weeks, and linseed oil two days. From this way of reasoning one can conclude, when comparing the average IV values of each oil, that blending rape seed oil with llinseed oil to an average IV value of soybean oil, will produce an oil with similar polymerization properties as soybean oil. I just don't see it - what effect can mixing rapeseed oil with linseed oil have on the double bonds of the linseed oil? There is no chemical reaction. The double bonds will still be there, unchanged, and will still polymerise. And further- if producing of biodiesel out of high IV oils, will lower Lower it yes, but not remove it as you recently claimed. Biodiesel made from high IV oils will also polymerise, but not as rapidly ast raw oil would. the fatty acids« ability to polymerize one can conclude that the first step of polmerization takes place within the triglyceride molecule, possibly with bridges of oxygen between the double bonds of different fatty acids. In methyl ester the fatty acids with the right will to polymerize have some difficulties finding each other and build bridges. Some difficulties perhaps, but it will still happen. Best wishes Keith Give me some input on this way of explanation ,Keith ! Best regards Jan Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hello DB and all Anyone making bio-diesel should be concerned with the IV of the oil and the polymerzation of the engine. After a careful reading of the australian report WVO as a Diesel replacement fuel it is obvious that they are concerned with it's use as straight veggy oil and Not so much Bio-diesel.( I would be concerned too) Here is a direct quote from that report. Trans esterifying triglyceride oils and fats with monohydric alcohols to form biodiesel largly eliminates the tendency of the oils and fats to polymerization and auto-oxidation.. The base crop for european biodiesel being rapeseed with a IV of 98 is a reasonable goal to acheve. Most of my stock is soy oil and much of it is hydrogenated. I also get cottonseed and peanut oil along with canola (rapeseed) I no longer use straight soy oil and try to make a blend. In the past when I only had soy oil based biodiesel I would only run BD50. I an no longer worried about the IV of the oil and if you are then just run BD50.Drive down the road Happy...DB ..PS. I have been making biodiesel since '02 and have made 1000's of gallons with zero problems. I agree, and thankyou, but I'm not sure I follow the logic of your solution, attractive though it is. Does an IV value average out when you blend different oils? Other things will, of course, like say FFA levels, you'll end up with an average and that's that. But in a blend with biodiesel made from a high IV oil with biodiesel made from lower IV oils, while the proportion of high IV oil will be lower, what's to stop it oxidising and polymerising just the same? Blending it doesn't change its makeup. I'm not sure what effect blending it with petrodiesel would have, but that wouldn't change its makeup either, it still has its double bonds to be broken down and polymerise. All you'd get is proportionately less polymerisation, no? So it'll take longer to gunge up the engine. That doesn't solve the problem, just mitigates it. Sorry, I don't know if this is right or not, just trying to be logical - maybe it doesn't work like that, but I'd like to know. Regards Keith snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to make methanol in your backyard so to speak? No. We've been discussing this since the list was founded five years ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, who probably knows more about methanol than most, told me we just aren't there yet. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some interesting information some time ago and said his organisation would be working on it, but we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the archives if you like. And the other question is it possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? Not for novices: Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester I am putting together a proposal for an East African country to follow Brazils lead and have to do some homework first. There have been enquiries and initiatives from quite a few African countries concerning ethyl esters, but we've never heard anything further. I'd investigate it thoroughly first before recommending anything if I were you. Best wshes Keith selam, tom mountain ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
Keith, I haven't laughed that hard in the past 74 3/8 hours! Oh well I put a stop payment on my $1,000 check just to get in line to order the 15:1 energy unit! Still looking for that cold fusion guy from RONCO! - Original Message - From: Keith Addisonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device I see why they call it down under now.Perpetural motion isn't possible on this planet. I think not in this universe.This guy has slid over into another dimension or what? JD2005 Eric Krieg lists 78 free energy scams here, doesn't seem to get into the zero-point stuff and instant cold fusion, so there's all that besides: http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.htmlhttp://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines Plus: How to become a Free Energy con man http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htmhttp://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm And: The Museum of Unworkable Devices http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htmhttp://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm Enjoy! Keith - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Optimism
Bravo, it is early fall where I live and although the one of my jasmine bushes are still blooming I can tell the season nearly over. One of the many advantages I find in this list derives from the global nature of our discussions. The ebb and flow of seasons occurs everywhere. The connection of my garden blooming with yours now in decline reminds each of us that our world is very small indeed. If each of us can deal with energy, food and resource issues close to home, where our efforts have maximum impact, the cumulative effect might tip a scale or two in the sustainable direction. But I have fond remembrances of my black raspberries straight from the canes and the incredible ice cream my wife made from this first year of harvest. I never dreamed that those three stunted canes I received from a departing friend would fill the 3 meters of trellis I made two years ago. This year the harvest from those scrawny starting was more than three kilos. I expect even better results next year and have scavenged two brand new cuttings to give to my father in law so his wife can remember better the taste from her native country of Chile. Wow! That's impressive! Our local raspberries are of the red variety. We buy ours from an Indo Canadian family, people who came to North America with NOTHING, but have worked hard to buy land and build up their farm over the years. They have prospered from the abundance of the earth, mostly because they take very good care of the soil that sustains them. Stay connected to the Earth. It«s wonderful. Indeed! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel reactor setup
Keith At the risk of looking ignorant, are the items you listed in your email ALL found at journey to forever? Yes. And much besides. What I posted (below) is the index on the main processor page, it's all there. I also am looking to go BIO the simplest way. Start here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Bye the way it seems the JTF site is down. Not anymore, it was down for a few hours and so was the list. Both are back up now. Best wishes Keith Thanks Roy Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sir/Madam, I would like to make simplest biodiesel reactor. Can any one guide me on this reactor. regards, cuneyt See: Test-batch mini-processor Simple 5-gallon processor Journey to Forever 90-litre processor The 'Deepthort 100B' Batch Reactor Ian's vacuum biodiesel processor Chuck Ranum's biodiesel processor Micro-Production System for Biodiesel 833 Gallon Per Day Batch Plant K.I.S.S. processor Pelly Model A processor Luc's processor-in-a-cabinet Foolproof method processors The touchless processor Continuous reactors How to make a cone-bottomed processor http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors: Journey to Forever Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] US Emergency
We have a national security emergency on our hands, Gaffney said. An Unlikely Meeting Of the Minds For Very Different Reasons, Groups Agree on Gas Alternatives By Greg Schneider Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, March 31, 2005; Page E01 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14232-2005Mar30.html?referrer=email Environmentalists aren't the only ones applauding the sales stumble of big SUVs and pickups in the face of high gas prices. Groups of conservative Republicans see an opportunity to step up a campaign to promote alternative-fuel vehicles and wean the nation from dependence on foreign oil. While skeptical about links between autos and global warming, the conservatives have concluded that cutting gasoline consumption is a matter of national security. A who's who of right-leaning military hawks -- including former CIA director R. James Woolsey and Iraq war advocate Frank J. Gaffney Jr. -- has joined with environmental advocates such as the Natural Resources Defense Council to lobby Congress to spend $12 billion to cut oil use in half by 2025. The alliance highlights how popular sentiment is turning against the no-worries gas-guzzling culture of the past decade and how alternative technologies such as gas-electric hybrids are finding increasingly widespread support. I think there are a number of things converging, said Gary L. Bauer, a former Republican presidential candidate and former head of the Family Research Council who has signed on to a strange-bedfellows coalition of conservatives and environmentalists called Set America Free. I just think reasonable people are more inclined right now to start thinking about ways our country's future isn't dependent on . . . oil from a region where there are a lot of very bad actors. The war in Iraq and escalating terrorism in the Middle East have shaken Americans' faith in cheap, plentiful gasoline. The average price of a gallon of regular gasoline reached $2.153 yesterday, according to the AAA Fuel Gauge report, and benchmark crude oil closed at $53.99 per barrel, compared with $36.25 a year ago. Last week a survey sponsored by the nonpartisan Civil Society Institute in Boston found that two-thirds of Americans feel it is patriotic to buy a more fuel-efficient vehicle. At the same time, the success of the Toyota Prius and the Ford Escape Hybrid has demonstrated that drivers don't have to sacrifice fun, performance or status to achieve better gas mileage. The Civil Society survey of more than 1,000 people -- evenly divided between men and women -- found that nearly two-thirds worry that Japanese and other foreign automakers are pulling ahead of their U.S. counterparts in alternative-fuel technology. Such fears are changing many long-standing positions on the issue of fuel economy. While Democrats have rallied against America's oil dependence -- Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.) termed the issue a national emergency during last year's presidential campaign -- Republicans have been more likely to advocate further exploration for oil reserves than to sound the alarm about the need for new technologies. On Monday, 31 national security experts wrote to President Bush on behalf of the Energy Future Coalition, a nonpartisan think tank founded in 2001, calling for action to urge industry to develop alternative-fuel vehicles. The group included prominent Republicans -- such as Robert C. McFarlane, President Ronald Reagan's national security adviser, and C. Boyden Gray, White House counsel for President George H.W. Bush -- as well as Democrats, including former Colorado Sen. Gary Hart. Environmental advocates at the Natural Resources Defense Council said they were surprised late last year when several conservative groups called about working together to promote alternative-fuel vehicles. The idea of using federal funding to encourage industry to change, instead of just handing out punishment for not meeting fuel-efficiency guidelines, was especially attractive, said David Doniger, policy director for the NRDC Climate Center. Our belief is that there is a lot of merit to policies that I guess you'd call 'carrot and stick' policies, he said. You need the limits on pollution . . . but in addition we recognize that the industry could benefit from some incentives to convert technology more quickly and at lower cost. Such legislation may be both more enactable and more successful than focusing only on the limits, or on the stick, so to speak, Doniger said. The United Auto Workers also has come around to accepting the need for alternative-fuel vehicles. The UAW has long viewed efforts to boost federal gas mileage standards as a threat to Detroit's success with truck and SUV sales and as bad for U.S. jobs. Now the union sees a new threat from the increasing popularity of foreign-produced hybrid and advanced diesel technology, which a recent University of
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Henri, We took out Hitler for the same reason? Are you saying that the Americans took out Hitler, or do you include others in it? Maybe you are Russian or from an other former Soviet country? In the latter case you have 100 times more reasons to claim it, compared with Americans and 10 times more compared with Western European. On the other hand, the events in US during the last 3 years, seems to use the events in 1930's as blueprints. History is interesting and maybe you should read it, instead of using Hollywood movies. Hakan At 04:55 AM 4/1/2005, you wrote: Hakan, I would like to give a humble option here, ( Hakan wrote;...Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that Iraq were no WMD threat to US. ) We took out Hitler for the same reason, Him and Suddam Hussein were weapons of mass destruction. H. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 March, 2005 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come Bob, You were right and I am wrong and I am glad that I did get a very good explanation on how Hubbert could be so right. It also explains why president Carter was so genuinely worried, when he developed his energy plan. He had the foresight to realize that Hubbert was right. It also explains why we see the surge in the genuine hate of Americans. It is the cost of aggressive and egoistic foreign policies, that resulted in about 10 more years of artificially low oil prices. All of this, ending up in an almost criminal behavior by the Bush administration. I say almost, because I do not want to be too crude. The legal aspect of being criminal, is very clearly established, Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that Iraq were no WMD threat to US. By laying the responsibility at the feet of faulty US intelligence community, the Bush administration is trying deliberately to avoid their legal responsibility. A kind of reversed side of the well known argument it was not my fault, I was ordered to do it. LOL All of this supported by the America people, in a reelection of president Bush. I hear the false argument that only 48% voted him in office. This argument is poor mathematics, I cannot get to this result, when Bush won with a more than 3 million of the populous American vote. It was the first election of Bush, that he did not have a populous majority and he was put in office by the Courts. Hakan At 11:16 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: All I know is what I read in the brief biography. (and what I recall from hearing about his work many years ago) Hakan Falk wrote: Bob, I stand corrected and the only excuse I have, is that I only brought forward a mistake that I read earlier. I remember that it was an article about the hearings in US congress in mid 70'. Will however not do this mistake again, but do not despair, there are many others I will do and surely in my far from perfect English. -:) What was his field at Berkeley? Hakan At 05:35 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Howdy Hakan, calling him a mathematician is a bit short-sighted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_King_Hubbert Hubbert was born in San Saba, Texas in 1903. He attended the University of Chicago, where he received his B.S. in 1926, his M.S. in 1928, and his Ph.D in 1937, studying geology, mathematics, and physics. He worked as an assistant geologist for the Amerada Petroleum Company for two years while pursuing his Ph.D. He joined the Shell Oil Company in 1943, retiring in 1964. After he retired from Shell, he became a senior research geophysicist for the United States Geological Survey until his retirement in 1976. He also held positions as a professor of geology and geophysics at Stanford University from 1963 to 1968, and as a professor at Berkeley from 1973 to 1976. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Hi Henry, Hitler and Suddam Hussein were weapons of mass destruction? I agree and sympathies with your statement. But; Boy, does that open Pandora's box. This causes one to ask all kinds of questions about sovereignty, hypocrisy and whether or not to act on what we think a dictator might do (the Bush administration's current policy) in the future. Mike R Henri Naths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hakan, I would like to give a humble option here, ( Hakan wrote;...Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that Iraq were no WMD threat to US. ) We took out Hitler for the same reason, Him and Suddam Hussein were weapons of mass destruction. H. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: Sent: 31 March, 2005 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come Bob, You were right and I am wrong and I am glad that I did get a very good explanation on how Hubbert could be so right. It also explains why president Carter was so genuinely worried, when he developed his energy plan. He had the foresight to realize that Hubbert was right. It also explains why we see the surge in the genuine hate of Americans. It is the cost of aggressive and egoistic foreign policies, that resulted in about 10 more years of artificially low oil prices. All of this, ending up in an almost criminal behavior by the Bush administration. I say almost, because I do not want to be too crude. The legal aspect of being criminal, is very clearly established, Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that Iraq were no WMD threat to US. By laying the responsibility at the feet of faulty US intelligence community, the Bush administration is trying deliberately to avoid their legal responsibility. A kind of reversed side of the well known argument it was not my fault, I was ordered to do it. LOL All of this supported by the America people, in a reelection of president Bush. I hear the false argument that only 48% voted him in office. This argument is poor mathematics, I cannot get to this result, when Bush won with a more than 3 million of the populous American vote. It was the first election of Bush, that he did not have a populous majority and he was put in office by the Courts. Hakan At 11:16 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: All I know is what I read in the brief biography. (and what I recall from hearing about his work many years ago) Hakan Falk wrote: Bob, I stand corrected and the only excuse I have, is that I only brought forward a mistake that I read earlier. I remember that it was an article about the hearings in US congress in mid 70'. Will however not do this mistake again, but do not despair, there are many others I will do and surely in my far from perfect English. -:) What was his field at Berkeley? Hakan At 05:35 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Howdy Hakan, calling him a mathematician is a bit short-sighted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_King_Hubbert Hubbert was born in San Saba, Texas in 1903. He attended the University of Chicago, where he received his B.S. in 1926, his M.S. in 1928, and his Ph.D in 1937, studying geology, mathematics, and physics. He worked as an assistant geologist for the Amerada Petroleum Company for two years while pursuing his Ph.D. He joined the Shell Oil Company in 1943, retiring in 1964. After he retired from Shell, he became a senior research geophysicist for the United States Geological Survey until his retirement in 1976. He also held positions as a professor of geology and geophysics at Stanford University from 1963 to 1968, and as a professor at Berkeley from 1973 to 1976. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Nicely done Tom. Mike R Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, As an American who believes in the U.S. Constitution as written by our founding fathers, I will do all I legally can to change this tyrannical situation in my country. I will do it with my voice. I will do it with my pen. I will do it with my vote. I will not be shouted down. I will not be intimidated into silence. I have strong feelings regarding my home and country. It is not representing me or my interests. I call on all Americans to begin the legal, non-violent, opposition to what has happenned to our nation. Sincerely and humbly, Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/1/05 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come Hakan Falk wrote: All of this supported by the America people, in a reelection of president Bush. I hear the false argument that only 48% voted him in office. This argument is poor mathematics, I cannot get to this result, when Bush won with a more than 3 million of the populous American vote. It was the first election of Bush, that he did not have a populous majority and he was put in office by the Courts. Hakan Respectfully sir, I think you misunderstand. 48% of those of us who actually voted, voted AGAINST Mr. Bush. What's happening in the United States right now is eerily reminiscent of Germany in the late 1930's and into WWII. Even the coalition building rhetoric is the same. Some of you may be old enough to remember Nazi propaganda published when they invaded the Soviet Union. I'm too young to have been a live witness, but I've read historical documents showing arrows for German divisions, along with the Bulgarians, Spaniards, Vichy French and other nations who made up a tiny fraction of the invasion force, with headings that promoted the imminent victory of allied forces over the tyranny of Bolshevism. (I understand very little German, but the message was very clear!) What happened to those people in Germany who spoke out against their government's policies? Right now, people who are engaged in disseminating views contrary to our government's stated position are either being shouted down by screaming fanatics, or are being intimidated into silence. I've just read a message from a Christian anti-war group whose ISP has pulled the plug on their account because of SPAM complaints. They do not promote SPAM. Certain radicals who don't want the anti-war message broadcast over the internet sign up for the group, then complain to their ISPs about SPAM originating from this particular ministry. With intimidation of this nature, it's becoming increasingly difficult to use technology to spread anti-war information. We now have The Patriot Act, which can be used to severely curtail our free speech. Our nation's capitol building has been surrounded by a fence and concrete barricades. I've seen snipers on top of the White House. It's a scary time over here. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] bush and money.
Hi All, I think it is far worse than even you picture it. But damn it's Friday and I will not go home today depressed. I'll write more when I'm more energetically pissed off. Tom -Original Message- From: Andrew Tracey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/31/05 8:34 PM Subject: [Biofuel] bush and money. I might be mistaken and probably are but it appears to me that now mr wolfowitz has his hands on a bottomless pit of money that he is going to give his buddy ALL THAT IT TAKES to get rid of the baddies. When is the next election in the U.S.? It seems that there will be just enough time to duplicate the Iraq effort in Iran and N. Korea. Does anybody else think this is a possibility? or am i just paranoid. One way to achieve it would be to drive oil prices sky high so as to fill the coffers of your mates oil company's,then they in turn could produce more fuel reserves for just an action. But that couldn't be because that would mean the bosses have an alternative agenda to what they are telling all the gullible little people. The little back slapping bum licking bloke from Aust might just wake up to how he has been used. Well anyway i just thought i would air my paranoia. Keep your bomb shelters in order guys, cheers. Andrew. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
I think it is quite irrelevant who sold what to whom, Hypothetically,I have the all the means at my disposal to kill a very large amount of people, does it mean the people that educated me are responsible? how about my bank? The money will come from them.!? The supply source is irrelevant. I could use anything in my hypothetical backyard and I'm no genius.Anybody can. The word history is full of these people that murder millions. The right person will be in the right place at the right time to take them out. That's a given. Hopefully political b.s. that man orchestrates won't impede the job that has be done before these people go on their murderous rampage. War has it's casualties let's not be one of them. We live in free democratic countries where we can make biodiesel. How cool is that... H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 April, 2005 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come Henri Naths wrote: Hakan, I would like to give a humble option here, ( Hakan wrote;...Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that Iraq were no WMD threat to US. ) We took out Hitler for the same reason, Him and Suddam Hussein were weapons of mass destruction. H. Judging from past posts, I think Hakan and many others here are a little sceptical about claims that the US took out Hitler. As for Saddam, as is very well known and widely established beyond any possibility of doubt or controversy... http://www.progressive.org/0901/anth0498.html The Progressive magazine April 1998 Issue Anthrax for Export U.S. companies sold Iraq the ingredients for a witch's brew by William Blum The United States almost went to war against Iraq in February because of Saddam Hussein's weapons program. In his State of the Union address, President Clinton castigated Hussein for developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. You cannot defy the will of the world, the President proclaimed. You have used weapons of mass destruction before. We are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again. Most Americans listening to the President did not know that the United States supplied Iraq with much of the raw material for creating a chemical and biological warfare program. Nor did the media report that U.S. companies sold Iraq more than $1 billion worth of the components needed to build nuclear weapons and diverse types of missiles, including the infamous Scud. When Iraq engaged in chemical and biological warfare in the 1980s, barely a peep of moral outrage could be heard from Washington, as it kept supplying Saddam with the materials he needed to build weapons. From 1980 to 1988, Iraq and Iran waged a terrible war against each other, a war that might not have begun if President Jimmy Carter had not given the Iraqis a green light to attack Iran, in response to repeated provocations. Throughout much of the war, the United States provided military aid and intelligence information to both sides, hoping that each would inflict severe damage on the other. Noam Chomsky suggests that this strategy is a way for America to keep control of its oil supply: It's been a leading, driving doctrine of U.S. foreign policy since the 1940s that the vast and unparalleled energy resources of the Gulf region will be effectively dominated by the United States and its clients, and, crucially, that no independent indigenous force will be permitted to have a substantial influence on the administration of oil production and price. During the Iran-Iraq war, Iraq received the lion's share of American support because at the time Iran was regarded as the greater threat to U.S. interests. According to a 1994 Senate report, private American suppliers, licensed by the U.S. Department of Commerce, exported a witch's brew of biological and chemical materials to Iraq from 1985 through 1989. Among the biological materials, which often produce slow, agonizing death, were: * Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax. * Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin. * Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord, and heart. * Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs. * Clostridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness. * Clostridium tetani, a highly toxigenic substance. Also on the list: Escherichia coli (E. coli), genetic materials, human and bacterial DNA, and dozens of other pathogenic biological agents. These biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction, the Senate report stated. It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and removed from the Iraqi biological warfare program. The report noted further that U.S. exports to Iraq included the precursors
Re: [Biofuel] Optimism
Thanks Robert and Tom. Just what the Dr. ordered! Homemade Ice Cream! Sweet nectar of the Gods! It's been years since I've wrapped a lip around that stuff, made by the kindest hand I've ever known; my Granddad. Crammed full of fresh strawberries, blackberries, or peaches. And each of these grown in his backyard garden. I have a garden now as well, and I think that I will judge my success or failure as a gardener, not in bushel's produced, but in my level of joy, and contentment, at the end of the day. Antifossil On Mar 31, 2005 6:01 PM, Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bravo, it is early fall where I live and although the one of my jasmine bushes are still blooming I can tell the season nearly over. But I have fond remembrances of my black raspberries straight from the canes and the incredible ice cream my wife made from this first year of harvest. I never dreamed that those three stunted canes I received from a departing friend would fill the 3 meters of trellis I made two years ago. This year the harvest from those scrawny starting was more than three kilos. I expect even better results next year and have scavenged two brand new cuttings to give to my father in law so his wife can remember better the taste from her native country of Chile. Stay connected to the Earth. It«s wonderful. Tom -Original Message- From: robert luis rabello To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31/03/05 17:16 Subject: [Biofuel] Optimism All this talk about oil depletion, climate change and pollution seems lost on the robins that are hopping around in my yard. My neighbors don't seem to notice, but the robins stay on my property and simply don't bother venturing anywhere else. Right now, there are about a dozen of them hunting outside my window. In between the rain storms, my sweetheart, my boys and I have been outside working our gardens. It's been a long, hard road, but our soil is alive--it's literally crawling with arthropods, nematodes and annelidas. My boys shout excitedly when they see evidence of mycorrhizal fungi in our soil. They hack at Keith's beloved deep rooted herbs with hoes and shovels, saying die weeds! with great enthusiasm. Although I don't sanction attitudes of that nature, those thoughts have crossed my mind as I dig out the maze of interconnected horsetail roots that proliferate around my property. Our trees are blossoming. The fruit bearing bushes responded well to heavy pruning in November. It looks like the pear we didn't think would make it through another season is bravely putting out flowers, while the Italian prunes and native aspens are growing at astonishing speed. (They were seedlings two years ago, and now they're all taller than I am!) My efforts last fall, digging compost around the trees, appears to have spurred this wild growth. We will have lots of apples. Our lonesome cherry seems far happier than it was at this time last year. The only tree that isn't doing well is the dogwood in my front yard. Dump trucks rumble downhill, laden with dirt taken off of someone else's property, their jake brakes growling as tires kick up clouds of dust. I shake my head, knowing that someone else will have to labor to rebuild what the trucks are carting away, and all that soil ground by their massive wheels will wash into the storm drains when the rains return this afternoon. Some people call that progress. . . My back hurts and my shoulders ache, but I feel very alive and somehow better connected to the piece of land on which I live than is the case with neighbors who are now convinced beyond doubt that there is something terribly wrong with me! I smile and wave. Working in the dirt has this magical way of inspiring contentment, despite oil depletion, radical religious zealotry, climate change and the host of other problems we face. Everyone should have a garden! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
Keith, I haven't laughed that hard in the past 74 3/8 hours! Oh well I put a stop payment on my $1,000 check just to get in line to order the 15:1 energy unit! Still looking for that cold fusion guy from RONCO! :-) Great, isn't it? Humans, you gotta love 'em! While you've got your checkbook handy... Never mind the guy from RONCO, I've developed this wonderful technique of producing cold fusion in a Dr Pepper bottle, just add the secret ingredients and shake it 3.5 times... Interested? Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addisonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device I see why they call it down under now.Perpetural motion isn't possible on this planet. I think not in this universe.This guy has slid over into another dimension or what? JD2005 Eric Krieg lists 78 free energy scams here, doesn't seem to get into the zero-point stuff and instant cold fusion, so there's all that besides: http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.htmlhttp://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines Plus: How to become a Free Energy con man http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htmhttp://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm And: The Museum of Unworkable Devices http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htmhttp://www.lhup.edu/~d simanek/museum/unwork.htm Enjoy! Keith - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Optimism
Thanks for this, nice read! All this talk about oil depletion, climate change and pollution seems lost on the robins that are hopping around in my yard. My neighbors don't seem to notice, but the robins stay on my property and simply don't bother venturing anywhere else. Right now, there are about a dozen of them hunting outside my window. In between the rain storms, my sweetheart, my boys and I have been outside working our gardens. It's been a long, hard road, but our soil is alive--it's literally crawling with arthropods, nematodes and annelidas. My boys shout excitedly when they see evidence of mycorrhizal fungi in our soil. They hack at Keith's beloved deep rooted herbs with hoes and shovels, saying die weeds! with great enthusiasm. Although I don't sanction attitudes of that nature, those thoughts have crossed my mind as I dig out the maze of interconnected horsetail roots that proliferate around my property. Equisetum arvense? Ancient plant. Midori picked a whole bunch of them two days ago and stir-fried the tops according to Japanese traditional practice. Not bad! Horsetails indicate acid soil and drainage problems. We subsoiled one of our fields today, thin layer of topsoil over really sticky clay, with, indeed, severe drainage problems. Tomorrow we'll compost it and rotavate it lightly, since we can't lay our hands on a disk harrow. Then what would be ideal would be a deep-rooting grass mixture and a two-year ley, heavily grazed by livestock, along with several hay cuts. But we don't have the grass mixture either, nor can we get anything suitable here, but we'll do what we can. I've solved this problem before without subsoiling, just by growing weeds. I had the best weeds in the valley, taller than me! Sunn hemp, it ended up being at the end of the succession, and it sure fixed the drainage problem, excellent field that was, though it was useless at first. Our trees are blossoming. The fruit bearing bushes responded well to heavy pruning in November. It looks like the pear we didn't think would make it through another season is bravely putting out flowers, while the Italian prunes and native aspens are growing at astonishing speed. (They were seedlings two years ago, and now they're all taller than I am!) My efforts last fall, digging compost around the trees, appears to have spurred this wild growth. We will have lots of apples. Our lonesome cherry seems far happier than it was at this time last year. The only tree that isn't doing well is the dogwood in my front yard. Dump trucks rumble downhill, laden with dirt taken off of someone else's property, their jake brakes growling as tires kick up clouds of dust. I shake my head, knowing that someone else will have to labor to rebuild what the trucks are carting away, and all that soil ground by their massive wheels will wash into the storm drains when the rains return this afternoon. Some people call that progress. . . My back hurts and my shoulders ache, but I feel very alive and somehow better connected to the piece of land on which I live than is the case with neighbors who are now convinced beyond doubt that there is something terribly wrong with me! I smile and wave. Working in the dirt has this magical way of inspiring contentment, despite oil depletion, radical religious zealotry, climate change and the host of other problems we face. Everyone should have a garden! Yes! There's nothing better. I was reading someone who said that any health problems that don't vanish after a day's gardening should be taken seriously. I think you have to add the mind and the spirit to that too. For them that hasn't noticed: http://journeytoforever.org/garden.html Organic gardening: Journey to Forever Small farms library City farms Organic gardening Why organic? Building a square foot garden Plant spacing guides No ground? Use containers Resources When to sow what Seeds Garden pond Gardening resources Organics resources Square foot gardens Companion planting How much to grow? General gardening Herbs Composting Small farms Best wishes Keith robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil
Hi All, I'm an American living in Uruguay and I may have a potential solution for your odor problem. It's called a compost biofilter. In essence you pull the air from your castor bean pressing facility and pass it through a large enough pile of compost. The compost scrubs the organics (the odors) from the air stream and eats them for dinner. You have to keep the compost optimally moist with water and it is sized by the number of cubic meter of air you pull from your pressing operation. I'm certain there are engineers in Brazil who can size this for you properly if not write back with the number of cubic meters you need scrubbed and I'll do a rough pass design for you. By rough pass, I mean I will oversize it to more than adequately scrub what you need. It will cost you slightly more in terms of land, compost and water. But heck, you live in Brazil, have lots of land, and if you can convince some folks there to just slow down on the cutting of the rainforest, plenty of water. Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: FRANCISCO To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/31/05 9:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Castor beens and oil Hy!!! need help form the group We are developping a project to replace fossil fuel ( about 12 million gallons per year ) by vegetable oil at 1 to1 ratio . The customer is a paper industry. We will have small farmers planting castor to begin with and later we will move to jatropha when we domesticate it. We will press and extract the oil then burn it in the furnace. The problem we will face in the field is odor as when we press castor beens a _*very bad smell*_ just come out( we found that on our lab/bench test). As of know we do not want a individual solution ( masks with activated carbon ) but an industrial operational solution. Does any one had experienced same thing with castor??? If so is there any solution and if so what is it and how do we implement it I thank you in advance for your cooperation. Very best for us Chico ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Hakan, I am stunned almost beyond the point of being able to write this response. I say stunned because I think that for the first time, I actually agree with you. I doubt it will happen too often, if ever again, but as for this post, I can find no reason to disagree. Like it or not, the Canadians, did not vote gwb (lower case used to display my absolute disdain) back into office, nor did the Norwegians, nor the Japanese, nor the Egyptians. You and I did the voting. You and I know who we voted for. If our actual stance, as American citizens of the 21st century is going to be that well we tried, but mean ole George didn't play fair, and now we don't know what to do but wait... then why in the hell should the rest of the world look up to us anymore! And what right do we have to complain we they make truthful, but difficult to hear (for Americans), statements. I would like to know what it is that we, as Americans, collectively, want? Status quo? I dont think that a collective voice, or direction, is even possible for America anymore. That may not be such a bad thing, but who knows. I do know this, I'm an American, and I will always be an American. I will work within whatever framework we have to make this country as strong as she can be. But I want to do it looking truth right square in the face. No more lies Bush. No more deceipt Bush. No more greed before all else corp. America. No more raping the globe corp. America. If I had my way there would simply be no more corporations. Sorry for the ranting, Antifossil. On Mar 31, 2005 8:29 PM, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, You were right and I am wrong and I am glad that I did get a very good explanation on how Hubbert could be so right. It also explains why president Carter was so genuinely worried, when he developed his energy plan. He had the foresight to realize that Hubbert was right. It also explains why we see the surge in the genuine hate of Americans. It is the cost of aggressive and egoistic foreign policies, that resulted in about 10 more years of artificially low oil prices. All of this, ending up in an almost criminal behavior by the Bush administration. I say almost, because I do not want to be too crude. The legal aspect of being criminal, is very clearly established, Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that Iraq were no WMD threat to US. By laying the responsibility at the feet of faulty US intelligence community, the Bush administration is trying deliberately to avoid their legal responsibility. A kind of reversed side of the well known argument it was not my fault, I was ordered to do it. LOL All of this supported by the America people, in a reelection of president Bush. I hear the false argument that only 48% voted him in office. This argument is poor mathematics, I cannot get to this result, when Bush won with a more than 3 million of the populous American vote. It was the first election of Bush, that he did not have a populous majority and he was put in office by the Courts. Hakan At 11:16 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: All I know is what I read in the brief biography. (and what I recall from hearing about his work many years ago) Hakan Falk wrote: Bob, I stand corrected and the only excuse I have, is that I only brought forward a mistake that I read earlier. I remember that it was an article about the hearings in US congress in mid 70'. Will however not do this mistake again, but do not despair, there are many others I will do and surely in my far from perfect English. -:) What was his field at Berkeley? Hakan At 05:35 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Howdy Hakan, calling him a mathematician is a bit short-sighted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_King_Hubbert Hubbert was born in San Saba, Texas in 1903. He attended the University of Chicago, where he received his B.S. in 1926, his M.S. in 1928, and his Ph.D in 1937, studying geology, mathematics, and physics. He worked as an assistant geologist for the Amerada Petroleum Company for two years while pursuing his Ph.D. He joined the Shell Oil Company in 1943, retiring in 1964. After he retired from Shell, he became a senior research geophysicist for the United States Geological Survey until his retirement in 1976. He also held positions as a professor of geology and geophysics at Stanford University from 1963 to 1968, and as a professor at Berkeley from 1973 to 1976. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
I think it is quite irrelevant who sold what to whom, Even if the very same people who sold them then accuse those same people who they sold them to of having them and use it as an excuse to illegally invade their countries, causing maybe 100,000 deaths in the doing? Even though it turns out they don't have them anymore. Saddam a mass murderer? Maybe, but up until very recently it was all okay because he was our mass-murderer - even as far as okaying his invasion of Kuwait. Yes, that's right, you didn't know? When the US invaded Iraq he was no threat to anyone, just another tin-pot dictator brought to ruin by the people who'd supported him, so what's new? And now? http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=342672005 Starving Iraqi children double after war THE number of children starving in Iraq has almost doubled since the war, a United Nations report has warned. Etc etc etc. Hypothetically,I have the all the means at my disposal to kill a very large amount of people, does it mean the people that educated me are responsible? how about my bank? The money will come from them.!? The supply source is irrelevant. I could use anything in my hypothetical backyard and I'm no genius.Anybody can. The word history is full of these people that murder millions. The right person will be in the right place at the right time to take them out. That's a given. Hopefully political b.s. that man orchestrates won't impede the job that has be done before these people go on their murderous rampage. War has it's casualties let's not be one of them. You're too late - the aggressors are as much casualties as the victims are. We live in free democratic countries There seems tobe some disagreement here about that, and it seems to be rather substantial. where we can make biodiesel. How cool is that... H. Ho-hum. I recommend a crash course of William Blum for a realignment of your views of just who it is that murders millions that is more in line with reality and history. The people you referred to as we (We took out Hitler...) are not quite as you see them. Try these: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/41438/ An Interview with William Blum - The Granma Moses of Radical Writing http://members.aol.com/superogue/homepage.htm Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower, by William Blum http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II, by William Blum http://members.aol.com/bblum6/American_holocaust.htm The American Holocaust Or try this for starters, since it seems you're at the beginner stage: Since World War II, the U.S. government has given more than $200 billion in military aid to train, equip, and subsidize more than 2.3 million troops and internal security forces in more than eighty countries, the purpose being not to defend them from outside invasions but to protect ruling oligarchs and multinational corporate investors from the dangers of domestic anti-capitalist insurgency. Among the recipients have been some of the most notorious military autocracies in history, countries that have tortured, killed or otherwise maltreated large numbers of their citizens because of their dissenting political views, as in Turkey, Zaire, Chad, Pakistan, Morocco, Indonesia, Honduras, Peru, Colombia, El Salvador, Haiti, Cuba (under Batista), Nicaragua (under Somoza), Iran (under the Shah), the Philippines (under Marcos), and Portugal (under Salazar). U.S. leaders profess a dedication to democracy. Yet over the past five decades, democratically elected reformist governments in Guatemala, Guyana, the Dominican Republic, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Syria, Indonesia (under Sukarno), Greece, Argentina, Bolivia, Haiti, and numerous other nations were overthrown by pro-capitalist militaries that were funded and aided by the U.S. national security state. The U.S. national security state has participated in covert actions or proxy mercenary wars against revolutionary governments in Cuba, Angola, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Portugal, Nicaragua, Cambodia, East Timor, Western Sahara, and elsewhere, usually with dreadful devastation and loss of life for the indigenous populations. Hostile actions have been directed against reformist governments in Egypt, Lebanon, Peru, Iran, Syria, Zaire, Jamaica, South Yemen, the Fiji Islands, and elsewhere. Since World War II, U.S. forces have directly invaded or launched aerial attacks against Vietnam, the Dominican Republic, North Korea, Laos, Cambodia, Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Libya, Iraq, and Somalia, sowing varying degrees of death and destruction. Before World War II, U.S. military forces waged a bloody and protracted war of conquest in the Philippines in 1899-1903. Along with fourteen other capitalist nations, the United States invaded socialist Russia in 1918-21. U.S. expeditionary forces fought in China along with other Western armies to
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Howdy Kieth and Jan At the risk of looking foolish as I am an organic chemist, but don't have much experience with polymer chemistry- here goes Polymerization is a molecule molecule reaction. A compound with double carbon carbon bond is particularly susceptible free radical oxidation. Let's call them U. Compounds without carbon carbon double bounds are relatively unreactive. We will call these S. Oxygen will activate one molecule, U, but for polymerization to occur, the activated molecule must encounter another U, then the now covalently bonded pair, must encounter another U, and so on. Collisions of activated U with S don't result in a reaction. It seems to me that if you dilute U with S, that you will reduce polymerization. Or how about this. An activated molecule has only a finite amount of time to react. If an activated molecule U bumps into another U then chain growth continues. But if activated U bumps into S, no reaction occurs, other than U reacting internally, which also stops chain growth. Polymer chemists can modulate the number of molecules in a chain (chain length) by addition of non polymerizing stuff. Being a right brain guy, this discussion is made more difficult, as I can't draw all the pictures which exemplify the points I am trying to make. :( The long and short of it (no pun intended) chain length of polymers will be reduced by dilution of biodiesel blended from high IV oils with low IV oils. Put another way, the time to reach a specified degree of polymerization will be extended by dilution. Keith Addison wrote: Hello Keith and thank you for your input. I agree with you, blending an oil with a high IV with one with a lower, should produce an average IV. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Robert, I did not misunderstood, I earlier said that after this election the argument of that he was not representative for US is not valid. This is what democracy is all about. He is elected now and he represent USA. The ones who do not agree should accept and support US, at least in theory. Personally I respect the opposition and the difficult position they are in. However, I talked about the general hate of USA that I see in development. I do not hate Americans, I am only the messenger. Hakan At 05:24 AM 4/1/2005, you wrote: Hakan Falk wrote: All of this supported by the America people, in a reelection of president Bush. I hear the false argument that only 48% voted him in office. This argument is poor mathematics, I cannot get to this result, when Bush won with a more than 3 million of the populous American vote. It was the first election of Bush, that he did not have a populous majority and he was put in office by the Courts. Hakan Respectfully sir, I think you misunderstand. 48% of those of us who actually voted, voted AGAINST Mr. Bush. What's happening in the United States right now is eerily reminiscent of Germany in the late 1930's and into WWII. Even the coalition building rhetoric is the same. Some of you may be old enough to remember Nazi propaganda published when they invaded the Soviet Union. I'm too young to have been a live witness, but I've read historical documents showing arrows for German divisions, along with the Bulgarians, Spaniards, Vichy French and other nations who made up a tiny fraction of the invasion force, with headings that promoted the imminent victory of allied forces over the tyranny of Bolshevism. (I understand very little German, but the message was very clear!) What happened to those people in Germany who spoke out against their government's policies? Right now, people who are engaged in disseminating views contrary to our government's stated position are either being shouted down by screaming fanatics, or are being intimidated into silence. I've just read a message from a Christian anti-war group whose ISP has pulled the plug on their account because of SPAM complaints. They do not promote SPAM. Certain radicals who don't want the anti-war message broadcast over the internet sign up for the group, then complain to their ISPs about SPAM originating from this particular ministry. With intimidation of this nature, it's becoming increasingly difficult to use technology to spread anti-war information. We now have The Patriot Act, which can be used to severely curtail our free speech. Our nation's capitol building has been surrounded by a fence and concrete barricades. I've seen snipers on top of the White House. It's a scary time over here. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: re erucic acid in rapeseed oil, also re snake oil, WAS Re:[Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL
Thank you for your interest in my post. I like to find the stories behind societal beliefs like this that have so often been accepted without question. I find it annoying when I find yet another example of my having been manipulated to suit someone else's agenda. On the other hand, I'm glad that I found it so that I can update my thinking. And I thank you and everyone else on this list in helping to stretch and broaden my mind with your postings! Thank you, Joanne Re-examine all you have been told. Dismiss that which insults your soul. - Walt Whitman - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: Re: re erucic acid in rapeseed oil, also re snake oil, WAS Re:[Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL Hello Joanne Very interesting, thanks very much for taking the trouble. Hello to Kirk and List, The following is some further information that I think is worth considering. I have not heard of any contradictory information to this since the book was first published. It took awhile to get written permission from the publisher to extract two entire chapters from the book, then it took me another while to get them typed Typed?! Yikes - you need a scanner! and cobbled together to send to the list. My apologies for not getting this done in a more timely manner. Never mind, we're all still here. :-) Except Kirk, actually, who's away right now, but I'll send it to him to make sure he sees it. Thanks again. Keith Thank you, Joanne - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL snip Chickens fed rapeseed and calves given rapeseed oil do not prosper. Rapeseed oil naturally contains a high percentage (30-60%) of erucic acid, a substance associated with heart lesions in laboratory animals. For this reason rapeseed oil was not used for consumption in the United States prior to 1974, although it was used in other countries. (Americans chose to use it as a lubricant to maintain Allied naval and merchant ships during World War II.) In 1974, rapeseed varieties with a low erucic content were introduced. Scientists had found a way to replace almost all of rapeseed's erucic acid with oleic acid, a type of monounsaturated fatty acid. (This change was accomplished through the cross-breeding of plants, not by the techniques commonly referred to as genetic engineering.) By 1978, all Canadian rapeseed produced for food use contained less than 2% erucic acid. The Canadian seed oil industry rechristened the product canola oil (Canadian oil) in 1978 in an attempt to distance the product from negative associations with the word rape. Why ingest any erucic acid? Economics as usual. As for me and my family we minimize the use of Canada Oil except as motor fuel. end snip [From the book Fats that Heal Fats that Kill by Udo Erasmus, with permission from Alive Publishing Group Inc., Canada. www.alive.com] Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill by Udo Erasmus Copyright 1986, 1993 Second Edition, Fifteenth Printing - May 2004 Chapter 20 Erucic Acid: Toxic or Beneficial? Chapter 56 Snake Oil (EPA) and Patent Medicines snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
Can you provide a link or links for details on: snip while babies in Texas have their breathing tubes ripped from their bodies against their mother's wishes because the hospital can't extract enough money from them. Thank you, Joanne - Original Message - From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil I'd like to know how well the demographics for voting vs non-voting public match. Were the republican voters more committed? Were the ABB'ers too fragmented? ...anyone with some info on that? Mike R Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Knowing that more than 100 million potential voters didn't bother to go to the polls, that percentage drops to approximately 24.5%. Bush was re-elected by less than a fourth of the country. I suspect that many of that minority were influenced by the two-word memes such as compassionate conservative and war on terror. Now we hear about a culture of life in Florida while babies in Texas have their breathing tubes ripped from their bodies against their mother's wishes because the hospital can't extract enough money from them. [the Futile Care Law signed by Governor George W. Bush] I fear that much of America is hypnotized by the media and their bumper-sticker tabloidisms. Many others are married to the Republican Party and wouldn't vote for Jesus if he was the Democratic nominee. We also witness evergy policy from the Bush White House crafted in secret by the energy companies and the criminals who bilked Grandma Millie in California out of billions of dollars. The only way to really change the direction of the country's energy policy, or any other policy I suppose, is to do it ourselves and not count on any help from the Oil Oligarchs in Washington, D.C. The tipping point, or critical mass, is relatively small. Slightly less than 10%. Studies show in a bactrial culture that when the good bacteria reach the 9.99% or close to that number, I forget... trying to write this from memory and don't remember exactly where I read the data, anyway, when the good bacteria in the cullture reaches the ten percent level, the entire culture turns good. Not so with the bad bacteria in the culture, it can reach numbers approaching 50% and still when the good bacteria reach the magic number near 10%, the whole culture turns good. I hope to join the ranks of homebrewers sometime this fall after I make the move from the city here in S. Florida to the woods of North Florida and begin building my off-grid home. Thanks for all the input as I mostly lurk in the background for now soaking in as much information about what works for you'all and what doesn't. I'll try and keep politics to a minimum on these lists but it can't be totally ignored when it overwhelms almost every aspect of our increasingly government-controlled lives. PEACE and veggies Scott - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:13 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil Hakan, Please understand and tell your friends that 48% of America voted against George Bush and his policies. That«s a lot of good people. I think that many who voted for Bush did so based on fear or his stand to overturn existing abortion laws. Many of the 48% feel he«s leading the country and the economy into ruins. I am awaiting the burning of books, particularly dictionaries and anticipate the Department of Defense being renamed the Ministry of Peace. Orwell and Huxley should be read again by everyone. The control of mass media in the U.S. by large corporations is the most onerous attack on free speech every propagated in history. Most folks are unaware of their great loss. Hang tough, there is no way this path for my country is sustainable let alone constitutional. Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device
Lol, love it...ermI'm a misguided prattI'll subscribe where do I sign..:-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 01 April 2005 20:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device Hi Craig Keith, I haven't laughed that hard in the past 74 3/8 hours! Oh well I put a stop payment on my $1,000 check just to get in line to order the 15:1 energy unit! Still looking for that cold fusion guy from RONCO! :-) Great, isn't it? Humans, you gotta love 'em! While you've got your checkbook handy... Never mind the guy from RONCO, I've developed this wonderful technique of producing cold fusion in a Dr Pepper bottle, just add the secret ingredients and shake it 3.5 times... Interested? Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addisonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device I see why they call it down under now.Perpetural motion isn't possible on this planet. I think not in this universe.This guy has slid over into another dimension or what? JD2005 Eric Krieg lists 78 free energy scams here, doesn't seem to get into the zero-point stuff and instant cold fusion, so there's all that besides: http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.htmlhttp://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines Plus: How to become a Free Energy con man http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htmhttp://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm And: The Museum of Unworkable Devices http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htmhttp://www.lhup.edu/~d simanek/museum/unwork.htm Enjoy! Keith - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:45 AM Subject: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device This device (see attached pic) is due for release, starting in Australia where Lutec Pty Ltd is located... ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Antifossil, Of course you cannot agree with my earlier postings. You have not even read them, because if you had done that? THEN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT I AM SWEDISH AND LIVE IN SPAIN: LOL Thanks anyway, because I thought that my English is so bad, that it exclude the possibility that I was American. Hakan At 10:11 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: Hakan, I am stunned almost beyond the point of being able to write this response. I say stunned because I think that for the first time, I actually agree with you. I doubt it will happen too often, if ever again, but as for this post, I can find no reason to disagree. Like it or not, the Canadians, did not vote gwb (lower case used to display my absolute disdain) back into office, nor did the Norwegians, nor the Japanese, nor the Egyptians. You and I did the voting. You and I know who we voted for. If our actual stance, as American citizens of the 21st century is going to be that well we tried, but mean ole George didn't play fair, and now we don't know what to do but wait... then why in the hell should the rest of the world look up to us anymore! And what right do we have to complain we they make truthful, but difficult to hear (for Americans), statements. I would like to know what it is that we, as Americans, collectively, want? Status quo? I dont think that a collective voice, or direction, is even possible for America anymore. That may not be such a bad thing, but who knows. I do know this, I'm an American, and I will always be an American. I will work within whatever framework we have to make this country as strong as she can be. But I want to do it looking truth right square in the face. No more lies Bush. No more deceipt Bush. No more greed before all else corp. America. No more raping the globe corp. America. If I had my way there would simply be no more corporations. Sorry for the ranting, Antifossil. On Mar 31, 2005 8:29 PM, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, You were right and I am wrong and I am glad that I did get a very good explanation on how Hubbert could be so right. It also explains why president Carter was so genuinely worried, when he developed his energy plan. He had the foresight to realize that Hubbert was right. It also explains why we see the surge in the genuine hate of Americans. It is the cost of aggressive and egoistic foreign policies, that resulted in about 10 more years of artificially low oil prices. All of this, ending up in an almost criminal behavior by the Bush administration. I say almost, because I do not want to be too crude. The legal aspect of being criminal, is very clearly established, Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that Iraq were no WMD threat to US. By laying the responsibility at the feet of faulty US intelligence community, the Bush administration is trying deliberately to avoid their legal responsibility. A kind of reversed side of the well known argument it was not my fault, I was ordered to do it. LOL All of this supported by the America people, in a reelection of president Bush. I hear the false argument that only 48% voted him in office. This argument is poor mathematics, I cannot get to this result, when Bush won with a more than 3 million of the populous American vote. It was the first election of Bush, that he did not have a populous majority and he was put in office by the Courts. Hakan At 11:16 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: All I know is what I read in the brief biography. (and what I recall from hearing about his work many years ago) Hakan Falk wrote: Bob, I stand corrected and the only excuse I have, is that I only brought forward a mistake that I read earlier. I remember that it was an article about the hearings in US congress in mid 70'. Will however not do this mistake again, but do not despair, there are many others I will do and surely in my far from perfect English. -:) What was his field at Berkeley? Hakan At 05:35 PM 3/31/2005, you wrote: Howdy Hakan, calling him a mathematician is a bit short-sighted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_King_Hubbert Hubbert was born in San Saba, Texas in 1903. He attended the University of Chicago, where he received his B.S. in 1926, his M.S. in 1928, and his Ph.D in 1937, studying geology, mathematics, and physics. He worked as an assistant geologist for the Amerada Petroleum Company for two years while pursuing his Ph.D. He joined the Shell Oil Company in 1943, retiring in 1964. After he retired from Shell, he became a senior research geophysicist for the United States Geological Survey until his retirement in 1976. He also held positions as a professor of geology and geophysics at Stanford University from 1963 to 1968, and as a professor at Berkeley from 1973 to 1976. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Hydrogenated canola has an IV of around 65 while non hydrogenated has an IV of around 112. Does anyone know if the IV in soybean (131) safflower (145) hemp (165) or sunflower (133) are altered in any way by the hydrogenation process? - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Howdy Kieth and Jan At the risk of looking foolish as I am an organic chemist, but don't have much experience with polymer chemistry- here goes Polymerization is a molecule molecule reaction. A compound with double carbon carbon bond is particularly susceptible free radical oxidation. Let's call them U. Compounds without carbon carbon double bounds are relatively unreactive. We will call these S. Oxygen will activate one molecule, U, but for polymerization to occur, the activated molecule must encounter another U, then the now covalently bonded pair, must encounter another U, and so on. Collisions of activated U with S don't result in a reaction. It seems to me that if you dilute U with S, that you will reduce polymerization. Or how about this. An activated molecule has only a finite amount of time to react. If an activated molecule U bumps into another U then chain growth continues. But if activated U bumps into S, no reaction occurs, other than U reacting internally, which also stops chain growth. Polymer chemists can modulate the number of molecules in a chain (chain length) by addition of non polymerizing stuff. Being a right brain guy, this discussion is made more difficult, as I can't draw all the pictures which exemplify the points I am trying to make. :( The long and short of it (no pun intended) chain length of polymers will be reduced by dilution of biodiesel blended from high IV oils with low IV oils. Put another way, the time to reach a specified degree of polymerization will be extended by dilution. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] cellulosic ethanol
Agricultural waste could end US oil dependency (published on 1-Apr-2005) http://www.edie.net/news/news_story.asp?id=9716 American farmers and industry could soon team up to produce 50 billion gallons of cellulosic ethanol a year, dramatically reducing US dependence on oil imported from the volatile Middle East, a Republican advocate for biofuels has stated. Former counsel to President Bush, C Boyden Gray said there was currently a strong case for stepped-up reliance on ethanol produced from agricultural wastes, wood residues and other surplus waste products, according to a study by the Battelle Memorial Institute. About a quarter of the total US energy consumption is for transportation, which depends almost entirely on oil, Mr Gray explained. Transportation consumes roughly two-thirds of the oil we use, nearly 60% of which is imported. So if we are to move away from dependence upon imported oil, we must change the transportation sector. Former director of the CIA James Woolsey also said that a failure to kick the oil habit put both the country and the world in danger, and that all oil-importing nations were in this dangerous situation together. Given the integrated nature of the world economy and the degree to which our economic fortunes are intertwined, we accomplish nothing particularly useful if we merely shift out own purchases of oil from one of the world's regions to another, thereby reshuffling the existing buyers and sellers, Mr Woolsey stated. Under current circumstances, an oil crisis will affect all our economies, regardless of the source of our own imports. Unlike corn ethanol, already widely used as an additive to stretch gasoline by 10% or more, new biotech advances can enable corn stalks, wheat straw, rice hulls, grasses and even municipal waste to be used as the new crude for bio-refineries without disrupting other agricultural activities. A shift to this new kind of ethanol was a practical and immediate way for the US to move away from such strong dependency on foreign oil, according to Mr Gray. Shifting to greater reliance on bio-energy offers our country an opportunity to protect itself by doing the right thing: aiding our farmers, the environment and the nation's energy security, he stated. It also can help resolve global trade deadlocks that centre on whether our support for agriculture undermines the rural poor in the rest of the world. He said that, according to a study by economist William Cline at the Centre for Global Development, producing 50 billion additional gallons of ethanol in the US could indirectly life over 40 million people out of poverty in developing nations. More attention should be focussed on turning biomass into fuel, Mr Woolsey added, as it was a quickly available alternative to oil that could also create a huge number of jobs in rural America. Last year we paid the outside world about a billion dollars every three days for imported oil - even replacing a share of this with domestic production of transportation fuel could create hundreds of thousands of jobs, he said. By Jane Kettle ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] US ethanol prices
Ethanol Helping to Offset Record Gasoline Prices USAgNet - 03/30/2005 http://www.wisconsinagconnection.com/story-national.cfm?Id=338yr=2005 As the average retail price of gasoline hit a record $2.15 per gallon Monday, the National Corn Growers Association reminded motorists that domestically produced ethanol is helping to offset soaring fuel prices. Wholesale ethanol prices averaged $1.39 per gallon last week, a price differential of more than 75 cents per gallon compared to conventional gasoline. The result is lower prices at the pump for drivers who fill up with ethanol-blended fuels. Ethanol prices have declined because of record supply. Petroleum refiners blended more than 3.5 billion gallons of ethanol into the gasoline supply in 2004. Drivers who fueled up with the most common ethanol blend, E-10, saved as much as 10-15 cents per gallon in certain areas last week. E-10 contains 10 percent ethanol and 90 percent regular gasoline. --- US Ethanol Fuel Prices (Last 10 Years) http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/graphs/ethanol_10-year.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Optimism
Hello Robert Thanks for this, nice read! You're welcome. I thought things were sounding a bit grim on this forum lately! Equisetum arvense? Yes, that's the one. It's toxic to colts and lambs when it's dry. I've read that its tubers store food reserves, which, coupled with an extensive creeping rhizome system, makes the plant very persistent. I've dug up rhizome leads better than a meter in length, but the plant will regenerate from even a tiny bit of root left in the ground. Thank God the fertile stems don't remain active for very long! Interestingly, equisetum arvense has medicinal uses. The dried herb aids in the treatment of urinary and prostatic disease, repair of lung and pulmonary tissue, among others, but its high inorganic silica content makes ingestion dangerous for children. Ancient plant. Midori picked a whole bunch of them two days ago and stir-fried the tops according to Japanese traditional practice. Not bad! My loving wife, who is a very good cook, wrinkled her nose when I told her you'd written this. Horsetails indicate acid soil and drainage problems. This is certainly our situation. It rains a lot in this climate, and acidic soil loving blueberries grow well here. When we built our house, the excavator removed 17 loads of soil from our property, leaving us in a sea of grey colored muck; a perennially wet clay in which very little that's useful to us will grow. We stopped several trucks that were removing dirt from the properties around us and asked them to dump their loads back on our lot, simply so we could get proper landscaping done. (And worse, we got a bill from the excavators for taking our dirt away!) Now, as the area around us develops, the same thing is happening on other properties. Right now, we have a very lumpy front yard, mostly in grass, that is doing marginally well. Our front flower beds are flourishing, but we've conditioned the soil extensively with barn litter and compost, so we have very little trouble with horsetail at the front of the house. I had a vision for the western slope of our property that involved a combination of fruit trees, shrubs, evergreens and aspens that was supposed to provide shade as well as food. (Our house gets very hot during the summer because we're a corner lot and there is NO shade around us during the long daylight period. R 50 ceilings trap heat very nicely!) After grading by hand (agonizingly) to minimize run off (which had been a REAL problem when we first moved in), we planted the trees, shrubs and covered the ground with cedar bark mulch in the hope that creeping ground cover would eventually occupy the slope. So far, the creepers we've planted have hardly taken a foothold. This is where our horsetail problem is dominant. The north end of our property is the sunniest place during the growing season. This is where we've built four raised beds and where our crops of lettuce, cabbage, beets, purple beans, broccoli and carrots thrived last summer. On the eastern side of our driveway, a long, narrow strip of land serves as our area for corn, squash, potatoes, eggplant and other large plants. It's been extensively worked, the topsoil there is about half a meter deep, and it's literally crawling with living things! Horsetail doesn't grow there. We subsoiled one of our fields today, thin layer of topsoil over really sticky clay, with, indeed, severe drainage problems. Tomorrow we'll compost it and rotavate it lightly, since we can't lay our hands on a disk harrow. Then what would be ideal would be a deep-rooting grass mixture and a two-year ley, heavily grazed by livestock, along with several hay cuts. But we don't have the grass mixture either, nor can we get anything suitable here, but we'll do what we can. Getting a thick layer of well drained topsoil seems key to controlling the horsetail. We can't have grazing animals here because we're in a subdivision, though I've thought of miniature goats or miniature horses. I have to come up with a better solution for our western slope than the one I planned originally because I'm a slave to weeding right now. At present, my home business isn't exactly thriving, so I have the time to work outside. I'm hoping, however, that things will pick up soon. . . I've solved this problem before without subsoiling, just by growing weeds. I had the best weeds in the valley, taller than me! Sunn hemp, it ended up being at the end of the succession, and it sure fixed the drainage problem, excellent field that was, though it was useless at first. My neighbors ALREADY think I'm crazy. If I start growing hemp, that would remove all doubt! Yes! There's nothing better. I was reading someone who said that any health problems that don't vanish after a day's gardening should be taken seriously. I think you have to add the mind and the spirit to that too. I
