Re: [Biofuel] Robert Fisk Article
Hello Keith, thank you a lot for your help. You're most welcome Fritz. And let me assure you my gratitude for your staedy figth for a better world and for providing this Forum of distinguished Members. :-) Of which you are one, and I believe we all have to thank each other for that. Regards Keith Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help with graphics
Wotcha Weaver Linux. I don't think so Mike. Macs are highly developed, I think it'll be awhile before I could do with Linux what I do with a Mac, and as easily and quickly. I'm sure I'll get arguments from the Linux freaks, but I'm on your side, I don't think Macs and Linux are in competition. IMHO the Linux user base just isn't big enough yet, it's only a fifth as big as Macs (which is hugely outnumbered by Windoze). Put an interface on it that's the equal of OSX, or even OS8, with software to match, or with software that can migrate, and I'll probably do Linux too. Right now you still have to be a geek, it's half-baked. IMHO. Tell me again when I can just do the work fast without having to think about what the computer might prefer so you keep tripping over the damn' thing. Linux for people who don't like computers, and don't really want to know exactly how the fridge works either just as long as it keeps stuff cold without making a fuss about it. Speed the day. (No that doesn't mean I want a FuelMeister! LOL!) If I'm wrong about it, hooray, but then please confirm that Linux can do GoLive, or any equivalent that can handle a 1000-page website as fast and seamlessly. Then it'll have to get that much better that it's worth the move. Best Keith Keith Addison wrote: Uh-oh... sorry, I didn't notice the mac part in your mail... :-) My innocence of things MS is but a small sacrifice. this converter is Windoz sw. Send me the visio file and I'll have a go at it. Chandan Thankyou Chandan, I'll send it right now. I'll send it to Hakan too, as he has an old version of visio itself. It's a new design for a Turk burner, but I can't follow the text description without the graphics. If it works as claimed I'll upload it. Thanks again, all best Keith Chandan Haldar wrote: Keith, You might like to download the 30-day eval copy of this converter: http://www.processtext.com/abcvisio.html which converts visio vector graphics drawings to many image or pdf formats. As far as I can see, it installs and runs fine, but I couldn't find a visio file to try it out. Cheers. Chandan Keith Addison wrote: Hello all Someone sent me some interesting diagrams, but I can't extract them. He said: the diagrams i have are microsoft visio doc.s but they may convert to html. We use Macs and I can usually get stuff out of Windoze docs, but not this time. Would anyone be able to get tiff's or jpg's or gif's out of an MS Visio doc if I sent them the file? Thanks much Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Full Text : The President of Iran's Letter To President Bush
Hello Robert Keith Addison wrote: snip Can one be a follower of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the great Messenger of God, Feel obliged to respect human rights, Present liberalism as a civilization model, Announce one's opposition to the proliferation of nuclear weapons and WMDs, Make War and Terror his slogan, And finally, Work towards the establishment of a unified international community - a community which Christ and the virtuous of the Earth will one day govern, But at the same time, Have countries attacked; The lives, reputations and possessions of people destroyed . . . snip Good questions, all. I've been asking them myself, and I often wonder how the NeoCons and other power brokers will answer the same questions when they're posed by a Holy God on Judgment Day . . . Methinks 'tis perhaps but a task for the menials. I find myself sniggering at the prospect of the ensuing spectacle upon the arrival of the enraptured at the Pearly Gates: Hey Peter, who the hell are all these naked guys outside trying to get in? They say they got tickets but it's only monopoly board money. Wrong address? Right. Ooops! LOL! Yeah I know, sorry. But their God isn't God, it's some other guy who hates everybody, and by the time they find out it'll be too late. A better man might manage to shed a tear for them over that but I reckon I'm doing quite well if I can wring a laugh out of it at least. Always look on the bright side of life, ta-dum... I mean, if you wrote a science-fiction novel where the world ended like this singularly unenrapturing bunch of total whackoes wants it to end, and they could even do it, nobody'd want to publish it, the editor would tell you it's too preposterous, the characters are like cardboard cut-outs, the plot needs work and the ending really stinks. Have you seen some of the reactions here of non-Americans when they first encounter stuff like this? A major reason the Armageddonites have become so powerful is that most journalists can't comprehend that millions of Americans could really want, in this day and age, their God to destroy most of the human race, much less that they are donating millions to promote it... Their beliefs are bonkers, but they are at the heart of power US Christian fundamentalists are driving Bush's Middle East policy The Guardian Bush White House checked with rapture Christians before latest Israel move The Village Voice Much more at: http://tinyurl.com/rhk2s Re: [Biofuel] The Brutal Christ of the Armageddonites - Religious fanaticism in American foreign policy It certainly doesn't look like Mr. Ahmadi-Najad is the one who's crazy. All that aside, if you'd had some foreign thugs marching into your country in 1953 and replacing your democratically elected president with a brutal dictator like the Shah and suffered all the consequences since, up to now, when the same people are threatening to nuke you, would you have managed to write such a mild letter to Mr Bush? The man is a paragon of restraint. How can you compare someone like Rice? And what does it say that enough people (she thinks) will accept her mindless response as good and wise? If you want cardboard cut-outs doing foreign policy you'd do a lot better with Max Headroom, and so would we all. It's an interesting letter. Mr. Ahmadi-Najad is so often painted as an irrational lunatic in our media, yet the arguments he presents are comprehensive and cut to core issues of religious faith that require careful consideration. You could say about the same of the US media's treatment of Bin Laden's various messages. These do not sound like the words of a madman. The only thing I can say that might confirm Mr. Ahmadi-Najad's insanity is his presumption that Mr. Bush is ACTUALLY a follower of Jesus Christ. :-) I doubt he believes that but it would have been rude to say so. Best Keith robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New member - NIR biodiesel testing
Hello Aaron Hello everyone, I just recently joined the mailing list after finishing the processing of my first test batch. I used the 1L test batch method listed on JTF using ~85% KOH, Dri-Gas, and new VO from the supermarket. I stir washed it until the wash water and biodiesel appeared crystal clear. I dried the biodiesel by heating it to 130degrees F and then letting it cool. The final product looks good from what I have compared it to on JTF. I plan to do a few test batches with the new VO and then a few test batches using WVO. Before I do another test batch I wanted to quantify my results by testing it. I'm a senior computer/electrical engineering attending the University of Massachusetts in Dartmouth. I'm no chemist by any means but I know a couple people in the Chem department and I'm pretty sure they have an NIR machine. I was wondering how skilled a person would need to be in NIR testing to be able to test the biodiesel and tell me how it matches up against the US ASTM spec and the German DIN spec. Would I be better off sending a sample to an experienced lab? If anyone has experience sending samples out, are there any labs you'd recommend? How costly is the testing? Well, there's no need to go to all that trouble, NIR is overkill. You don't say if you checked your first batch with the prescribed quality control tests. This is the sixth step in making your first test batch: 6. Quality Proceed to the wash-test to check the quality. If your biodiesel doesn't pass the test, here's what to do next. wash-test http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality here's what to do next http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo Please see these Gas Chromatograph test results: http://snipurl.com/pie8 [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results 11 Apr 2006 So this is what you can achieve by using the quality tests at the Journey to Forever website Biodiesel section to guide your processing... it's further confirmation that the backyard brewers' cheapo kitchen-sink quality tests will indeed guide you to a high-quality product, and that the one-step-at-a-time learning path is the way to go. Thanks in advance. After watching this mailing list for a few days I have to say I'm very impressed with how active the biofuels community is. :-) It's kind of wide-ranging, but it all fits. HTH. Best Keith -Aaron ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help with graphics
Keith, I have to agree with you that Linux is possibly not yet for every desktop. I have used Linux for 6 years now. It has a tremendous support network (much better than its commercial competitors.) There are some jobs that are handled differently to the M$ product, unfortunately it is a learning curve. However, the problems I find moving from one version of M$ Word for instance, is no more than I find learning about a Linux package! I personally use Mepis Linux, which I find has everything most people require all on one CD. There are other distributions equally as good. The thing that has surprised me is that the myriad of Virii, Trojans, and other malicious software that seems to attack M$ products, has not rung alarm bells with the average consumer, and made them investigate alternatives. I think this will happen. I am already seeing friends who have no interest in computers, now firing up a live Linux distribution to browse on the web, and read emails. This tends to minimise the risk of a virus afflicting the M$ system living on the harddrive. Macs now use BSD as their operating system. BSD is similar to Linux (and to other Unix's.) Can any Mac users tell me if there are Mac viruses now? With the security of BSD I would doubt it. regards Doug (a linux die-hard) On Monday 12 June 2006 5:59, Keith Addison wrote: Wotcha Weaver Linux. I don't think so Mike. Macs are highly developed, I think it'll be awhile before I could do with Linux what I do with a Mac, and as easily and quickly. I'm sure I'll get arguments from the Linux freaks, but I'm on your side, I don't think Macs and Linux are in competition. IMHO the Linux user base just isn't big enough yet, it's only a fifth as big as Macs (which is hugely outnumbered by Windoze). Put an interface on it that's the equal of OSX, or even OS8, with software to match, or with software that can migrate, and I'll probably do Linux too. Right now you still have to be a geek, it's half-baked. IMHO. Tell me again when I can just do the work fast without having to think about what the computer might prefer so you keep tripping over the damn' thing. Linux for people who don't like computers, and don't really want to know exactly how the fridge works either just as long as it keeps stuff cold without making a fuss about it. Speed the day. (No that doesn't mean I want a FuelMeister! LOL!) If I'm wrong about it, hooray, but then please confirm that Linux can do GoLive, or any equivalent that can handle a 1000-page website as fast and seamlessly. Then it'll have to get that much better that it's worth the move. Best Keith Keith Addison wrote: Uh-oh... sorry, I didn't notice the mac part in your mail... :-) My innocence of things MS is but a small sacrifice. : this converter is Windoz sw. Send me the visio file and I'll have a go at it. Chandan Thankyou Chandan, I'll send it right now. I'll send it to Hakan too, as he has an old version of visio itself. It's a new design for a Turk burner, but I can't follow the text description without the graphics. If it works as claimed I'll upload it. Thanks again, all best Keith Chandan Haldar wrote: Keith, You might like to download the 30-day eval copy of this converter: http://www.processtext.com/abcvisio.html which converts visio vector graphics drawings to many image or pdf formats. As far as I can see, it installs and runs fine, but I couldn't find a visio file to try it out. Cheers. Chandan Keith Addison wrote: Hello all Someone sent me some interesting diagrams, but I can't extract them. He said: the diagrams i have are microsoft visio doc.s but they may convert to html. We use Macs and I can usually get stuff out of Windoze docs, but not this time. Would anyone be able to get tiff's or jpg's or gif's out of an MS Visio doc if I sent them the file? Thanks much Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New UK member
I also understand that we are not permitted to store more than 20 litres of 'fuel' on domestic property here, is this true? and if so what is the workaround ;-) Hi Matt, you used to be able to get a license from the local fire brigade to store fuel in your workshop. Chris. Thanks guys. Very helpful. I'm off to find some Methanol now... Regards, Matt. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help with graphics
Actually, Mac OSX is really just UNIX, in the form of tweaked FreeBSD. All the Adobe stuff would run on Linux as well as they run on OSX, but Adobe (I suspect due the the not so gentle prodding of MS and perhaps Apple) has chosen not too release Linux versions. Anyting that runs on OSX would run on Linux with very little work, probably just a recompile... OSX is *nix with a human face Keith Addison wrote: Wotcha Weaver Linux. I don't think so Mike. Macs are highly developed, I think it'll be awhile before I could do with Linux what I do with a Mac, and as easily and quickly. I'm sure I'll get arguments from the Linux freaks, but I'm on your side, I don't think Macs and Linux are in competition. IMHO the Linux user base just isn't big enough yet, it's only a fifth as big as Macs (which is hugely outnumbered by Windoze). Put an interface on it that's the equal of OSX, or even OS8, with software to match, or with software that can migrate, and I'll probably do Linux too. Right now you still have to be a geek, it's half-baked. IMHO. Tell me again when I can just do the work fast without having to think about what the computer might prefer so you keep tripping over the damn' thing. Linux for people who don't like computers, and don't really want to know exactly how the fridge works either just as long as it keeps stuff cold without making a fuss about it. Speed the day. (No that doesn't mean I want a FuelMeister! LOL!) If I'm wrong about it, hooray, but then please confirm that Linux can do GoLive, or any equivalent that can handle a 1000-page website as fast and seamlessly. Then it'll have to get that much better that it's worth the move. Best Keith Keith Addison wrote: Uh-oh... sorry, I didn't notice the mac part in your mail... :-) My innocence of things MS is but a small sacrifice. this converter is Windoz sw. Send me the visio file and I'll have a go at it. Chandan Thankyou Chandan, I'll send it right now. I'll send it to Hakan too, as he has an old version of visio itself. It's a new design for a Turk burner, but I can't follow the text description without the graphics. If it works as claimed I'll upload it. Thanks again, all best Keith Chandan Haldar wrote: Keith, You might like to download the 30-day eval copy of this converter: http://www.processtext.com/abcvisio.html which converts visio vector graphics drawings to many image or pdf formats. As far as I can see, it installs and runs fine, but I couldn't find a visio file to try it out. Cheers. Chandan Keith Addison wrote: Hello all Someone sent me some interesting diagrams, but I can't extract them. He said: the diagrams i have are microsoft visio doc.s but they may convert to html. We use Macs and I can usually get stuff out of Windoze docs, but not this time. Would anyone be able to get tiff's or jpg's or gif's out of an MS Visio doc if I sent them the file? Thanks much Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] ANYONE know anything about this?
Hi Gang My brother-in-law offered this to me to get better mileage in my viehicle. I have no idea if it works but I sure don't think it can as this type of stuff is usually all HYPE. http://www.spmpg.myffi.biz/en/section_100.asp What are your thoughts? Have a look Thanks Roy __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ANYONE know anything about this?
Not even wrong! You'd be better off mailing me a check for $100 and I'll voodoo your car into better fuel economy. Fuel pills were recently discussed in topic 'BioPerformance' and a search of the archives brings it right up. On 6/12/06, ROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gang My brother-in-law offered this to me to get better mileage in my viehicle. I have no idea if it works but I sure don't think it can as this type of stuff is usually all HYPE. http://www.spmpg.myffi.biz/en/section_100.asp What are your thoughts? Have a look Thanks Roy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ANYONE know anything about this?
hi Roy, in a short period of time it is possible to achieve a 7 - 10% fuel saving in such asimple retrofitting. however, such holistic approaches are difficult to share their confidence due to complications that can develop in a long run. i wonder how will the metal surfaces transform to which alloy, the tolerances from possible depositions and also taking into considerations of wide possible fuel(s) quality etc. this kind of an INTRUSION technology is relatively difficult to retreat in case of any seriously developing problem. i have noticed other non-intrusion technologies like FuelMax that i think it is possible to achieve such savings without not so serious imposed negative probabilities. the general engine combustion improvement technologies that one has confidence in should base on techniques such as fuel_air mixing improvement, the swirls, chamber temperature, residence time, etc. LuganoROY Washbish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Gang My brother-in-law offered this to me to get better mileage in my viehicle. I have no idea if it works but I sure don't think it can as this type of stuff is usually all HYPE. http://www.spmpg.myffi.biz/en/section_100.asp What are your thoughts? Have a look Thanks Roy __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/..Division of Energy and Furnace Technology,Department of Materials Science and Engineering,Royal Institute of Technology (KTH),Brinellvägen 23,SE 100 44 Stockholm,Sweden.[EMAIL PROTECTED]Tel. 0046 8 205 204Fax: 0046 8 207 681.. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] SPHR
Hello Keith, Sabine asked me to foreward her Thanks for your help! Let me take this opportunity to invite You and the members of this list to visit the Solidarity for Palestinian Humanrigths www.SPHR.org Website and see for yourself what they are up to greetings to all Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Lye in the UK
Hi, If anyone just starting up in the UK is looking for a supply of NaOH in small quantities.try BQ concentrated caustic soda. It is actually pretty pure, I just made a 1L test batch with new rapeseed oil. Wash test and methanol test are both spot on. Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New member - NIR biodiesel testing
Thanks for the speedy response. Keith Addison wrote: Hello Aaron Hello everyone, I just recently joined the mailing list after finishing the processing of my first test batch. I used the 1L test batch method listed on JTF using ~85% KOH, Dri-Gas, and new VO from the supermarket. I stir washed it until the wash water and biodiesel appeared crystal clear. I dried the biodiesel by heating it to 130degrees F and then letting it cool. The final product looks good from what I have compared it to on JTF. I plan to do a few test batches with the new VO and then a few test batches using WVO. Before I do another test batch I wanted to quantify my results by testing it. I'm a senior computer/electrical engineering attending the University of Massachusetts in Dartmouth. I'm no chemist by any means but I know a couple people in the Chem department and I'm pretty sure they have an NIR machine. I was wondering how skilled a person would need to be in NIR testing to be able to test the biodiesel and tell me how it matches up against the US ASTM spec and the German DIN spec. Would I be better off sending a sample to an experienced lab? If anyone has experience sending samples out, are there any labs you'd recommend? How costly is the testing? Well, there's no need to go to all that trouble, NIR is overkill. You don't say if you checked your first batch with the prescribed quality control tests. This is the sixth step in making your first test batch: 6. Quality Proceed to the wash-test to check the quality. If your biodiesel doesn't pass the test, here's what to do next. wash-test http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality here's what to do next http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo Please see these Gas Chromatograph test results: http://snipurl.com/pie8 [Biofuel] Biodiesel test results 11 Apr 2006 "So this is what you can achieve by using the quality tests at the Journey to Forever website Biodiesel section to guide your processing... it's further confirmation that the backyard brewers' cheapo kitchen-sink quality tests will indeed guide you to a high-quality product, and that the one-step-at-a-time learning path is the way to go." Sorry, I did omit the wash-test step in my email but rest assured, I didn't omit it in the process. The first attempt at the wash test yielded lots of emulsion. I had bought my KOH from a soap supplier and they had specified 99% pure NaOH but no specification on the KOH. I assumed it was left out by accident and used 4.9g of KOH. After I got lots of emulsion on the wash test I sent out an email to the company and found out that the KOH was ~85%. I reprocessed with 4.9g KOH and 100mL methanol (a slight modification from the recommendation on JTF if the wash test didn't go well). After the second processing the product seemed to pass the wash test without a problem and a lot more glycerol was collected on the bottom layer. I have read that biodiesel, even if it passes the US ASTM spec, may cause injector coking over time ( http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/EthylWVO.pdf ). I know a lot of people around me who are skeptical about the cleanliness of biodiesel since diesels in the US have earned the reputation of being "dirty". I want to have some credible consistent numbers behind my fuel. I would like to know that it meets the German DIN spec since this is the spec Volkswagen cites in their warranties for new vehicles. I can see that GC testing at a commercial lab is quite out of my range. NIR is supposed to be a lot easier and quicker from what I've read and heard. My sister is a Biology graduate from my university and had to use the NIR machine once or twice in her Organic Chem lab. They had a graduate student actually operating the machine. Apparently it only takes a couple minutes to actually run the test itself and then it's just dealing with the graphs. Also, one of my friends is a senior in Chem and works in a lab doing HPLC which I may be able to get access to. It seems I have two testing methods that I may be able to use: NIR and HPLC. Is GC better suited than these two in testing biodiesel? I have found these two articles on JTF dealing with NIR testing with biodiesel: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/NIR1.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/NIR2.html Thanks -Aaron ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help with graphics
Hi Mike Weaver I know OSX is UNIX, but it took Apple four or five years after release for the tweaking to produce a really good OS. And I still don't use OSX, though I'm being forced in that direction, but who needs an entire software upgrade/replacement? I'll install OSX in the end and mostly run OS9 with it, for a long time to come I expect. From what I've seen of such things I wouldn't be too happy about entrusting the JtF site to a GoLive that's been tweaked for Linux, or not until it was as solid as say Mailman. Anyway, the original argument falls away, if OSX is UNIX anyway, then why use Linux? That human face is of a grown-up, not a kid, and whether it's UNIX or OS9 it saves me a a large amount of non-negotiable time. Either way I'd still have this current graphics conversion problem. Best Keith Actually, Mac OSX is really just UNIX, in the form of tweaked FreeBSD. All the Adobe stuff would run on Linux as well as they run on OSX, but Adobe (I suspect due the the not so gentle prodding of MS and perhaps Apple) has chosen not too release Linux versions. Anyting that runs on OSX would run on Linux with very little work, probably just a recompile... OSX is *nix with a human face Keith Addison wrote: Wotcha Weaver Linux. I don't think so Mike. Macs are highly developed, I think it'll be awhile before I could do with Linux what I do with a Mac, and as easily and quickly. I'm sure I'll get arguments from the Linux freaks, but I'm on your side, I don't think Macs and Linux are in competition. IMHO the Linux user base just isn't big enough yet, it's only a fifth as big as Macs (which is hugely outnumbered by Windoze). Put an interface on it that's the equal of OSX, or even OS8, with software to match, or with software that can migrate, and I'll probably do Linux too. Right now you still have to be a geek, it's half-baked. IMHO. Tell me again when I can just do the work fast without having to think about what the computer might prefer so you keep tripping over the damn' thing. Linux for people who don't like computers, and don't really want to know exactly how the fridge works either just as long as it keeps stuff cold without making a fuss about it. Speed the day. (No that doesn't mean I want a FuelMeister! LOL!) If I'm wrong about it, hooray, but then please confirm that Linux can do GoLive, or any equivalent that can handle a 1000-page website as fast and seamlessly. Then it'll have to get that much better that it's worth the move. Best Keith Keith Addison wrote: Uh-oh... sorry, I didn't notice the mac part in your mail... :-) My innocence of things MS is but a small sacrifice. this converter is Windoz sw. Send me the visio file and I'll have a go at it. Chandan Thankyou Chandan, I'll send it right now. I'll send it to Hakan too, as he has an old version of visio itself. It's a new design for a Turk burner, but I can't follow the text description without the graphics. If it works as claimed I'll upload it. Thanks again, all best Keith Chandan Haldar wrote: Keith, You might like to download the 30-day eval copy of this converter: http://www.processtext.com/abcvisio.html which converts visio vector graphics drawings to many image or pdf formats. As far as I can see, it installs and runs fine, but I couldn't find a visio file to try it out. Cheers. Chandan Keith Addison wrote: Hello all Someone sent me some interesting diagrams, but I can't extract them. He said: the diagrams i have are microsoft visio doc.s but they may convert to html. We use Macs and I can usually get stuff out of Windoze docs, but not this time. Would anyone be able to get tiff's or jpg's or gif's out of an MS Visio doc if I sent them the file? Thanks much Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help with graphics
Hello Doug Keith, I have to agree with you that Linux is possibly not yet for every desktop. I have used Linux for 6 years now. It has a tremendous support network (much better than its commercial competitors.) There are some jobs that are handled differently to the M$ product, unfortunately it is a learning curve. However, the problems I find moving from one version of M$ Word for instance, is no more than I find learning about a Linux package! I can imagine. But I don't use that comparison, especially not since Word 6 allegedly for Mac. Word 5 was a good program but 6 was a mess, just a half-assed makeover of the Windoze version, everybody dumped it. Learning curve yes, but it wasn't worth learning. I personally use Mepis Linux, which I find has everything most people require all on one CD. There are other distributions equally as good. The thing that has surprised me is that the myriad of Virii, Trojans, and other malicious software that seems to attack M$ products, has not rung alarm bells with the average consumer, and made them investigate alternatives. Sixty million infected Windows computers and the owners haven't got a clue. But then a lot of them haven't figured out how to copy and paste yet, let alone what a patch is. Windows isn't intuitive, people don't learn by doing, and I think that might have done more harm than the viruses have. I think this will happen. I hope you're right. I am already seeing friends who have no interest in computers, now firing up a live Linux distribution to browse on the web, and read emails. This tends to minimise the risk of a virus afflicting the M$ system living on the harddrive. Macs now use BSD as their operating system. BSD is similar to Linux (and to other Unix's.) Hence my hope that they might learn to talk to each other at some stage. Can any Mac users tell me if there are Mac viruses now? With the security of BSD I would doubt it. Oh, there are, we keep hearing about it, only it's hard to find one. I haven't seen one for 15 years. I think if someone does actually manage to capture one and their existence is thus proved it should probably be put on the CITES list like the yeti. Mac viruses are supposed to come with MS macros, for Excel I think, maybe for Word too. Well, you can see how vague I am about it. regards Doug (a linux die-hard) Maybe I'll be joining you one of these days. All best Keith On Monday 12 June 2006 5:59, Keith Addison wrote: Wotcha Weaver Linux. I don't think so Mike. Macs are highly developed, I think it'll be awhile before I could do with Linux what I do with a Mac, and as easily and quickly. I'm sure I'll get arguments from the Linux freaks, but I'm on your side, I don't think Macs and Linux are in competition. IMHO the Linux user base just isn't big enough yet, it's only a fifth as big as Macs (which is hugely outnumbered by Windoze). Put an interface on it that's the equal of OSX, or even OS8, with software to match, or with software that can migrate, and I'll probably do Linux too. Right now you still have to be a geek, it's half-baked. IMHO. Tell me again when I can just do the work fast without having to think about what the computer might prefer so you keep tripping over the damn' thing. Linux for people who don't like computers, and don't really want to know exactly how the fridge works either just as long as it keeps stuff cold without making a fuss about it. Speed the day. (No that doesn't mean I want a FuelMeister! LOL!) If I'm wrong about it, hooray, but then please confirm that Linux can do GoLive, or any equivalent that can handle a 1000-page website as fast and seamlessly. Then it'll have to get that much better that it's worth the move. Best Keith Keith Addison wrote: Uh-oh... sorry, I didn't notice the mac part in your mail... :-) My innocence of things MS is but a small sacrifice. : this converter is Windoz sw. Send me the visio file and I'll have a go at it. Chandan Thankyou Chandan, I'll send it right now. I'll send it to Hakan too, as he has an old version of visio itself. It's a new design for a Turk burner, but I can't follow the text description without the graphics. If it works as claimed I'll upload it. Thanks again, all best Keith Chandan Haldar wrote: Keith, You might like to download the 30-day eval copy of this converter: http://www.processtext.com/abcvisio.html which converts visio vector graphics drawings to many image or pdf formats. As far as I can see, it installs and runs fine, but I couldn't find a visio file to try it out. Cheers. Chandan Keith Addison wrote: Hello all Someone sent me some interesting diagrams, but I can't extract them. He said: the diagrams i have are microsoft visio doc.s but they may convert to html. We use Macs and I can usually get stuff out of
Re: [Biofuel] No New Refineries
I suspect with the projected prices and profits that they will not need new refineries. When fuel hits $5 as I suspect it will most of us wont take motor vacations etc. Carpooling will be back in vogue and SUVs will be hybrids.KirkDoug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is one of those times I smell a rat, but can't find/prove it. In regards to environmental requirements, in the industry previously claimed the costs where too high and the consumer wouldn't pay the price. Here we are now: No refineries where not built and the consumer is paying unprecedented prices that result in higher profits for the industry. Chances are the industry will be allowed to build new refineries that don't meet the stricter environmental require, pocketing the savings. The cynic in me has to feel that in no way, even with relaxed environmental regulations, will the industry build capacity to significantly increase supply. Oh well...Doug, N0LKKKansas USAKeith Addison wrote: http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/06/06/no_new_refineries.php No New Refineries Frank O'Donnell___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] No New Refineries
I suspect with the projected prices and profits that they will not need new refineries. When fuel hits $5 as I suspect it will most of us wont take motor vacations etc. Carpooling will be back in vogue and SUVs will be hybrids. I'm already paying nearlly 8 dollars a UK gallon for diesel, people are addicted to their cars. Car use still increases here in the UK even as the price of fuel keeps going up. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Help needed!
Hi all I have just scaled up to a 150l processor. I am using a 200l drum and have an old swimming pool pump that pumps at 1l per second- which seems pretty speedy! I have done as suggested on JtF and scaled up slowly, learning as I go. Unfortunately, my first couple of big batches (using creamy canola oil) have not gone so well, I am happy with my titrations and measurements but I realise that my temperature control has not been too good as the thermostat on my old spa-pool element heater had too wide a differential and was letting the mixture fall to 45degrees C before coming on again. My problem is this- my first batch came out very dark brown- almost black- but it passed the wash test, so, confused, I washed it, dried it and it was a very clear, dark brown. As it is now winter down here in NZ and the snow is falling, and I only had 50l of petro-diesel left in my boiler tank, I chucked 50l of my black biodiesel in. Against my better judgement, but I didn't know what to do! Almost immediately my boiler stopped, leaking black fuel on the floor. So- I drained my tank and tried a 1l batch test on the petro/bio mixture to see what would happen. I used 150ml methanol and 5.8g 85% KOH as my base amount on my test batch. Unfortunately nothing happened, 12 hours later, no separation, no split, no more glycerine! Has the petrodiesel stuffed it up? What can I do? Charles List -- -- This email was sent using Telecom SchoolZone. www.schoolzone.net.nz This email has been scanned for viruses by Telecom SchoolZone, but is not guaranteed to be virus-free. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bunker, virgin oil, biodiesel
Hello everyone, I have a general question, Can Bunker motors run directly on virgin oil or biodiesel? Or it needs to have son machine arrangements? Federico Fundación Juan U. Maegli 3a.Calle 3-60 zona 9, Guatemala Tel. (502) 2328- Ext. 1427 y 1428 Cel. (502) 5651-5060 Fax. (502) 2328-8993 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] No New Refineries
In case you didn't hear, it passed. -John From: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/08/washington/08energy.html House Passes Bill to Help Spur New Oil Refinery Construction By MICHAEL JANOFSKY Published: June 8, 2006 WASHINGTON, June 7 — The House passed a bill on Wednesday that its Republican sponsors said would streamline the permit process to build the first domestic oil refineries in a generation. The vote was largely along party lines, 238 to 179, closely mirroring a vote on the same bill last month, when 237 lawmakers supported it in a procedure that required two-thirds approval for passage. The bill would create a federal coordinator to manage the permit process for a new refinery by bringing together agencies from all levels of government. Another provision would require the president to identify at least three closed military bases as suitable refinery sites, a provision that President Bush supports. For now, the Senate has no comparable bill under consideration. Citing the rising demand for oil products and an industry operating at near peak capacity, the bill's proponents said new refineries would create added supplies. Representative Joe L. Barton, Republican of Texas, who is chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee and a chief sponsor of the bill, said it was intended to show America that we're doing everything possible to alleviate high energy prices. But detractors argued that the measure would have little bearing on gas prices and was largely unnecessary, saying that the energy bill passed last year had suitable provisions for refinery construction. They also said oil company executives have told Congress that adding capacity through expansion makes more economic sense than building new facilities, with its risks of community opposition. Company executives have also testified that environmental laws have not impeded expansion plans. Between September 2004 and September 2005, refiners have made 255 percent profit, said Representative Rick Boucher, Democrat of Virginia, who was leading the opposition to the bill. When you're doing that well, why would you change anything? While the number of domestic refineries has fallen to 148 from 324 since 1981, largely through mergers and consolidation, American oil companies are producing about 17.3 million barrels of the daily demand of 21 million barrels of oil and have plans to add 1.4 million to 2 million barrels a day over the next several years. The last time a refinery was built in the United States was 1976. Alan Greenspan, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve, told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday that sharply higher oil prices have not seriously hurt economic activity in this country or around the world. However, he added, Recent data indicate we may finally be experiencing some impact. On Jun 11, 2006, at 6:04 AM, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/06/06/no_new_refineries.php No New Refineries Frank O'Donnell June 06, 2006 Frank O'Donnell is president of Clean Air Watch , a 501(c)3 nonpartisan, nonprofit organization aimed at educating the public about clean air and the need for an effective Clean Air Act. Sterling Burnett, a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis (and Exxon defender) recently compared Al Gore to Joseph Goebbels for his new film An Inconvenient Truth. If there is a Goebbels reference to be made it should start with the Big Lie and it is not to Al Gore that it applies. Goebbels is credited with inventing the idea that if you repeat a lie often enough it eventually will be believed. Naturally, conservatives think that if they keep using Gore and Nazi-environmentalist in the same sentence pretty soon the rest of us will, too. And, painful as it is to draw the analogy, it's deplorable to see a similar tactic being used today by congressional Republicans, who seem desperate to find a scapegoat for high gasoline prices. In this case, the Big Lie involves politicians and others scapegoating environmental requirements for blocking the construction of new oil refineries. With the House planning to vote this week on yet another bogus bill which ostensibly is designed to promote more refining, it might be worth examining both the rhetoric and the reality. Here's the Big Lie, as uttered May 3 on the House floor by Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee and a principal sponsor of new refinery legislation: The last American refinery to be built from scratch in this country was over 30 years agoŠ. It takes as long as 10 years just to get the permit to build or expand [an] existing refinery. And here's what President George W. Bush said, in a speech on April 25: There has not been a new refinery built in America in 30 years. Again on May 16, Bush said: There has not been a single new refinery built in
Re: [Biofuel] Help with graphics
It's getting hard to keep the old OS9 stuff running as they don't release anything new for it. I have some programs running in emulation mode - poky but works - the more memory the better. I run an old 400 mhz G4 w/ SCSI and 2 GB on the board. Not blazing but I like it. Ugly enough I have Windoze on a laptop - my business it's hard to make a living w/o knowing Windows. I use Linux for almost all my servers - only a few Windows2003 boxes and that's because the clients have programs that execute on the server. I'm very much headed into the open source movement - trying to use as much open source software as possible. I think Apple just did a better job of making *nix friendly than the Gnome or KDE interface. It's getting better, though. -Mike Keith Addison wrote: Hi Mike Weaver I know OSX is UNIX, but it took Apple four or five years after release for the tweaking to produce a really good OS. And I still don't use OSX, though I'm being forced in that direction, but who needs an entire software upgrade/replacement? I'll install OSX in the end and mostly run OS9 with it, for a long time to come I expect. From what I've seen of such things I wouldn't be too happy about entrusting the JtF site to a GoLive that's been tweaked for Linux, or not until it was as solid as say Mailman. Anyway, the original argument falls away, if OSX is UNIX anyway, then why use Linux? That human face is of a grown-up, not a kid, and whether it's UNIX or OS9 it saves me a a large amount of non-negotiable time. Either way I'd still have this current graphics conversion problem. Best Keith Actually, Mac OSX is really just UNIX, in the form of tweaked FreeBSD. All the Adobe stuff would run on Linux as well as they run on OSX, but Adobe (I suspect due the the not so gentle prodding of MS and perhaps Apple) has chosen not too release Linux versions. Anyting that runs on OSX would run on Linux with very little work, probably just a recompile... OSX is *nix with a human face Keith Addison wrote: Wotcha Weaver Linux. I don't think so Mike. Macs are highly developed, I think it'll be awhile before I could do with Linux what I do with a Mac, and as easily and quickly. I'm sure I'll get arguments from the Linux freaks, but I'm on your side, I don't think Macs and Linux are in competition. IMHO the Linux user base just isn't big enough yet, it's only a fifth as big as Macs (which is hugely outnumbered by Windoze). Put an interface on it that's the equal of OSX, or even OS8, with software to match, or with software that can migrate, and I'll probably do Linux too. Right now you still have to be a geek, it's half-baked. IMHO. Tell me again when I can just do the work fast without having to think about what the computer might prefer so you keep tripping over the damn' thing. Linux for people who don't like computers, and don't really want to know exactly how the fridge works either just as long as it keeps stuff cold without making a fuss about it. Speed the day. (No that doesn't mean I want a FuelMeister! LOL!) If I'm wrong about it, hooray, but then please confirm that Linux can do GoLive, or any equivalent that can handle a 1000-page website as fast and seamlessly. Then it'll have to get that much better that it's worth the move. Best Keith Keith Addison wrote: Uh-oh... sorry, I didn't notice the mac part in your mail... :-) My innocence of things MS is but a small sacrifice. this converter is Windoz sw. Send me the visio file and I'll have a go at it. Chandan Thankyou Chandan, I'll send it right now. I'll send it to Hakan too, as he has an old version of visio itself. It's a new design for a Turk burner, but I can't follow the text description without the graphics. If it works as claimed I'll upload it. Thanks again, all best Keith Chandan Haldar wrote: Keith, You might like to download the 30-day eval copy of this converter: http://www.processtext.com/abcvisio.html which converts visio vector graphics drawings to many image or pdf formats. As far as I can see, it installs and runs fine, but I couldn't find a visio file to try it out. Cheers. Chandan Keith Addison wrote: Hello all Someone sent me some interesting diagrams, but I can't extract them. He said: the diagrams i have are microsoft visio doc.s but they may convert to html. We use Macs and I can usually get stuff out of Windoze docs, but not this time. Would anyone be able to get tiff's or jpg's or gif's out of an MS Visio doc if I sent them the file? Thanks much Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and
[Biofuel] polycarbonate
https://www.sundancesupply.com/index2.htmlMultilayer for insulation. I live 3 hours east of Portland Oregon. Anyone know of a less expensive source in the northwest? The 5 layer is interesting but almost $5 per square foot. Tomatoes in January would be nice. Kirk __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
