[Biofuel] unsold hummers
http://themessthatgreenspanmade.blogspot.com/2005/11/hummer-overfloweth.html Hummers piling up in storage Bede Meredith Phone +64 21 892 801 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.codesmith.info ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] the end of suburbia
http://www.mininova.org/tor/51094 a very good movie... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines
engine turbine power is used in lots of vehicles from ships to helicopters, They use a planetary gearbox to step down from 60 - 70,000 rpm to anywhere between 2000- 1 rpm, these are not simple devices anyone can look after if your really interested in efficient piston engines, check out the single listeriods! http://www.otherpower.com/fuking.html these are up 5 - 12 hp power singles that generate there power at around 500 - 650 rpm, can run on diesel or any dirty oil you can findand can be made to get up to 45 - 55% of the energy they burn! also there have very very few moving parts can be looked after by any bush mechanic and have been around for over a hundred years. i could go on, but take a look around google, there's lots of info Bede -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kurt NolteSent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:51 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines"The theory on them is alluring. Modifying the compression/expansioncycle to - for example - expand the combustion gases quickly andthereby reduce pollution seems like a great potential. Another would beto halt the piston at/just beyond top dead center and let combustionfinish. Those both have some pretty serious issues when it comes toactual implementation. Another that's intriguing is the ability to havethe expansion stroke longer than the intake stroke for more efficiency."You are so very right it's alluring, but not even touching stroke lengths and related phases of the cycle, but just to reduce the sheer number of /moving parts/ in the engine itself is a big draw for me. Simpler tends to translate to more durable, and with fewer moving parts there should be less work lost to friction, less to need lubrication (Which could lead to a less complicated lubrication system, also a plus), and so on. "I think the reason they never caught on is complexity, which translatesinto cost. It's easier to make a matching block and head when all thecylinders line up, and the valve gear required in a barrel engine isjust awful. And the manifolding. the list goes on. You end up withan engine that's small in theory but has stuff sticking out all over."Well, from what I've read, the OP engine design doesn't have valves; At least none that I could see in the layout drawings. Seemed simpler to me, more in common with the two-stroke (Clark?) cycle than the Otto cycle. So your "valve timing" would be taken care of by your piston timing.. which is in turn controlled by your drive cams. The injector could be a DI-style sensor-fired high pressure injector; like I said, this one in particular seemed to lend itself well to a diesel process. With compression coming from both ends, it should be possible to ramp up the compression ratios even higher than normal, and the solid one-piece cams secured in the same direction as the piston force should be able to take the load much better than a perpendicularly secured crankshaft. What I see in my mind is almost a cylinder of tubes (The cylinders), with smaller tubes carring the intake air running in the front and smaller tubes for the exhaust running out the back end. (This would have to be changed for a turbocharged engine).Another wild idea; what if you put this barrel engine (The OP one) in place of the combustion chamber on a gas turbine? Exhaust flow turns a power turbine, which runs up a common shaft to turn a compressor to ramp up air pressure going into the cylinders. Might work, and make it easier to run it on a turbocharger without ducting and manifolding the airflows all over the place. The only place where that one runs into problems is when you try to figure out how to get the driveshaft power out through the turbine shaft. :p Which is where my poor tired brain breaks down. Peace out.-Kurt ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Quantifying the Price of Packaging/Sending the Message
with the rising cost of oil these will eventually become valuable resources, Its also only a matter of time before we start mining our rubbish dumps! There's also a French company i saw on Beyond 2000, it had to do with turning tires back into its raw components. once again once bought back, it cost more to process than the end products where worth. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Tom IrwinSent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:07 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Quantifying the Price of Packaging/Sending the Message Hi Hakan and all, One of the real problems is not having an economic system that accounts for the lack of degradability or environmental consequences of products produced. This is a world wide problem not limited to the U.S. More than10 years ago I worked on a research team to make a biodegradable plastic. We accomplished this and had formulations that worked in most plastic processing equipment. Of course, polyethylene was $0.26 per pound and our formulations were about a dollar more per pound. We had a wonderful niche market product that couldn´t support us. The same is true for PET. There´s a company that I worked for that holds a patent for recycling waste PET chemically back to original components, bottles from bottles with no residual contamination.Transportation costs of the light plastics kill this one. Many industries have solutions but they are not economical with the present low cost of the plastics they would replace or recycle. Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
the castor oil plant is toxic. its what Rican is made from. animals don't really like eating the plant either seed waste maybe ok, but this is what is made into a toxic nerve agent the yields in oil maybe ok, so long as its warm andwet gets lots of sunit grows fast. there where a number of plantations grown in Samoa in the early 1900's -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Tom IrwinSent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:44 AMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming Hi Keith and all, You mentioned in a previous thread that you liked castor beans as an oil seed crop. That makes some sense given yields and iodine numbers but if one is attempting an animal/oil seed mix then castor beans aren't edible are they? Perhaps I read something wrong on JTF.I wasplanning on planting rape seed and after harvest utilizing pigs to clean up and fertilize the field. I was also hoping I could feed the pigs the seed hulls after oil extraction. Is this a bad idea or are there better crops for this purpose? Also for the pig folks out there, I don't have access to Tamworths in Uruguay but I saw Durok Jersey's at the last rural. Seemed that they had a decent coat and might survive in the field. Keep in mind we are somewhat effected by that ozone hole stuff in the summer. Thanks, Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] windfall tax on big oil
in a way fuel tax and sales tax, are the few inescable taxes, There's no way you can dodge them! that said in reality America isn't paying anywhere close to what the rest of the world is per gallon. I'm a little skeptical of the need to tax in order to create new products for some one else to make money of. that said if people such as ford or GM started making the kinds of cars people actually wanted well then they wouldn't be poor financial position they are today. taxing a corporate is like trying to swat mosquitoes in the middle of the night. Why not put a tax on poor fuel economy cars like the H2? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:42 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] windfall tax on big oil Fight back - don't buy a gas hog. SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- A majority of Americans are convinced they're being gouged at the gas pump, and many support a tax on oil companies' profits to fund research into alternative energy sources, according to a new survey. Derick Giorchino wrote: Have no fear big brother will figure a way to filter a large % or possibly all of the revenues for some new pay hike or something stupid. Something like social security or road tax on California fuel doesn't go where it is designated. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alt.EnergyNetwork Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 8:20 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] windfall tax on big oil Consumers feel gouged on gas: poll - U.S. drivers cry foul and support oil-company tax http://tinyurl.com/8m6pp Consumers feel gouged on gas: poll U.S. drivers cry foul and support oil-company tax SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- A majority of Americans are convinced they're being gouged at the gas pump, and many support a tax on oil companies' profits to fund research into alternative energy sources, according to a new survey. Eighty-seven percent of U.S. consumers said oil companies are gouging them on gas prices, according to the telephone survey of 1,019 adults in mid-September by Opinion Research Corp. for the Civil Society Institute, a Newton Centre, Mass.-based non-profit advocacy group. The Institute, funded by donations and foundation grants, supports a variety of initiatives, including 40mpg.org, which aims to make 40 miles per gallon the standard for all U.S. cars. Another 7% said very little price gouging is going on, 4% said it's not happening at all, and 3% weren't sure. The survey has a margin of error of plus, or minus, 3 percentage points at a 95% confidence level. The belief in price gouging was consistent across party lines, with 82% of Republicans pointing to some or a great deal of price gouging, 91% of Democrats doing so, and 87% of independents. Many consumers appear ready to gouge right back: 79% of those surveyed said they support a tax on oil company's profits if the money collected goes to research on alternative energy sources. That sentiment crossed political lines to a large extent, with 83% of Democrats, 76% of Republicans and 81% of independents supporting such a tax to fuel research on alternative energy sources. But there was less overall support for such a tax to fund other initiatives: Just 53% of the respondents support a tax on oil company profits to fund a direct rebate to U.S. drivers, while 70% support the tax to fund wetlands restoration in the Gulf Coast to lessen damage from future hurricanes. (The survey offered only those three possible purposes for the hypothetical tax revenues.) Confluence of factors Consumers' cry of price gouging, and apparent willingness to embrace alternative energy sources appears sparked by a confluence of factors, said Pam Solo, president and founder of the Civil Society Institute, in a telephone press conference. There are several strains of concern converging for people, she said, including steeply higher gas prices, the U.S.'s reliance on foreign oil, and global warming. Americans have seen ... too little action from Washington on energy prices, fuel-efficient vehicles and the dangers of too much reliance on foreign oil, Solo said. And oil company profits aren't helping consumers feel warm and fuzzy, she said. We all know somebody is getting quite wealthy over the dilemmas and troubles we're facing as a country, she said. We should be able to share in those profits as a society to have greater control of our destiny as a country. Meanwhile, 81% of those surveyed agreed with the statement that the federal government isn't doing enough about high energy prices and U.S. dependence on Middle Eastern energy sources. Broken down across political parties: 74% of Republicans agreed the federal government isn't doing enough, as did 90% of Democrats and 83% of independents. Let's go hybrid When asked whether domestic car makers
Re: [Biofuel] seeding a forage pasture
Lots of links and important info on pasture management check http://www.rd1.com/web/content?in_section=3in_item=420 there's also a forum on http://www.fencepost.com/home.jhtml kiwi farmers will certainly know what your talking about =) Cheers, Bede -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andres Yver Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 2:34 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] seeding a forage pasture Hello, On Wednesday, September 21, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Keith Addison wrote: snip I'd bet my boots there aren't any Gustl. Andres is doing ley farming, and the unis and ag extensions won't ever heard of it, and shame on them for that. Keith gets to keep his boots. He'll probably need them, rubber ones, IIRC, thunderstorms this time of year? Uni will be hearing about it though, from us. Busload of students should be out next week to poke around the compost pile and eat George and Dick, who've been fattening up on vetch and rye and dirt all winter. I wish we'd been at it longer here though, to have more to show. The place is still an awful mess, and the huge 80 year old mud oven collapsed last week after a snowstorm. Now we get to build another, only this one will have lime and pumice plaster... have fun! andres ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement?
surprised GE hasn't got in on this, They own most of the patents for diesel electric power switching type technology, not sure if its all public domain yet, But it is the reason they are one of the largest diesel electric train builders. essentially they balance the output of the engine to match the power demand of the train at the engines most economical output. to get the train moving they need to fire high amperage to the wheels, at high speed they power needs to be high voltage lower amperage. http://www.getransportation.com/ there's a number of companies, starting to look at hybrid trucks (mainly diesel electric) for around town stuff, such as ups vans, and 3 ton delivery trucks, mainline trucks are currently better off with the standard system, as they aren't stuck up in built up areas. It wouldn't be easy, but it would be a cool challenge to build such a vehicle. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:13 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Debatable statement? I'm in. let's buy a wrecked 1st generation Prius and do it. And they're all gasoline powered! The only way to get a diesel electric hybrid in this country is to build it yourself. I swear, before, I'm dead, I'm going to build a solar-svo-diesel-electric-regenerative hybrid out of some old school bus or airport shuttle! TarynToo wrote: Hi Zeke, On Sep 15, 2005, at 5:59 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: ... Even the new hybrids get lousy gas mileage, because the hybrid design is optimized for adding power, not increasing mileage like the insight and prius were. ... Oh man, this just burns my a*s. I was so excited a few years ago when we started hearing the rumblings about hybrids from american automakers and lexus, et al. Then to discover that the electrics were being coupled to gas engines to add acceleration, not to improve overall performance and efficiency. It's disgusting to think that they're strapping a half ton of batteries and electrics to some mondo SUV, betting that the american buyer just wants another second shaved off the 1/4 mile times. Sometimes I just hate the priorities of my countrymen. And they're all gasoline powered! The only way to get a diesel electric hybrid in this country is to build it yourself. I swear, before, I'm dead, I'm going to build a solar-svo-diesel-electric-regenerative hybrid out of some old school bus or airport shuttle! Taryn http://ornae.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] pussy makes car Purrrrrr
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2ObjectID=10345772 A German has angered animal rights groups by inventing an organic fuel containing run-over cat remains. Inventor Christian Koch, 55, of Saxony, told the Bild newspaper he had gone 170,000km without a problem in his car on the biofuel. A 50-litre tank used about 20 cats and cost a fifth of usual diesel to produce, he said. Bede Meredith Phone +64 21 892 801 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.codesmith.info ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] How New Orleans Was Lost
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10062.htm How New Orleans Was Lost By Paul Craig Roberts 09/01/05 Antiwar -- -- Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of Bush's Iraq war. There were not enough helicopters to repair the breached levees and rescue people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National Guardsmen available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against looting. The situation is the same in Mississippi. The National Guard and helicopters are off on a fool's mission in Iraq. The National Guard is in Iraq because fanatical neoconservatives in the Bush administration were determined to invade the Middle East and because incompetent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld refused to listen to the generals, who told him there were not enough regular troops available to do the job. After the invasion, the arrogant Rumsfeld found out that the generals were right. The National Guard was called up to fill in the gaping gaps. Now the Guardsmen, trapped in the Iraqi quagmire, are watching on TV the families they left behind trapped by rising waters and wondering if the floating bodies are family members. None know where their dislocated families are, but, shades of Fallujah, they do see their destroyed homes. The mayor of New Orleans was counting on helicopters to put in place massive sandbags to repair the levee. However, someone called the few helicopters away to rescue people from rooftops. The rising water overwhelmed the massive pumping stations, and New Orleans disappeared under deep water. What a terrible casualty of the Iraqi war one of our oldest and most beautiful cities, a famous city, a historic city. Distracted by its phony war on terrorism, the U.S. government had made no preparations in the event Hurricane Katrina brought catastrophe to New Orleans. No contingency plan existed. Only now after the disaster are FEMA and the Corps of Engineers trying to assemble the material and equipment to save New Orleans from the fate of Atlantis. Even worse, articles in the New Orleans Times-Picayune and public statements by emergency management chiefs in New Orleans make it clear that the Bush administration slashed the funding for the Corps of Engineers' projects to strengthen and raise the New Orleans levees and diverted the money to the Iraq war. Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, told the New Orleans Times-Picayune (June 8, 2004): It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us. Why can't the U.S. government focus on America's needs and leave other countries alone? Why are American troops in Iraq instead of protecting our own borders from a mass invasion by illegal immigrants? Why are American helicopters blowing up Iraqi homes instead of saving American homes in New Orleans? How can the Bush administration be so incompetent as to expose Americans at home to dire risks by exhausting American resources in foolish foreign adventures? What kind of homeland security is this? All Bush has achieved by invading Iraq is to kill and wound thousands of people while destroying America's reputation. The only beneficiaries are oil companies capitalizing on a good excuse to jack up the price of gasoline and Osama bin Laden's recruitment. What we have is a Republican war for oil company profits while New Orleans sinks beneath the waters. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Plastic and metal recycling
I remember seeing some one in china converting plastic into petrol. if you put tin cans in a fire it burns off the zinc anti rust coatings Some places will how ever recycle cans. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rich Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 4:01 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Plastic and metal recycling Does Journey to Forever have any tips on recycling plastic and metal? The only reference I found on Journey to Forever was that Mike Pelly using salvage scrap metal for his equipment. I know plastic is not compostable, obviously it needs some pre-treatment before even attempting to bring plastic back into nature. Maybe use ultraviolet rays to degrade plastic? How about metal cans, can the natural decay of metal be accelerated? What are consumer-grade metal cans made of? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Energy content
coconuts one of the best yielding and easiest to grow.. , although its worth more per liter for cosmetics (shampoo soap etc) and cooking oil. how ever the whole dehusking bit is some what tiresome... I gave it a go a few weeks ago.. It does help you build up upper body strength =D see http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of james porakari Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:26 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Energy content Dear all, Anyone can anyone help me to find information on energy content of palm oil and Kernel oil and also coconut oil. I am doing a research on bifuels as alternatives in Solmon Islands (South Pacific). I am student at University of South Pacific, Fiji. Thanks, James __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Lignin crop redidue breakdown
In nz, Australia and England, we make such fantastic spreads like marmite, and vegemite from the stuff left over from beer brewing, You yanks don't see to like it too much tho... http://www.marmite.com/ Cheers, Bede -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:43 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Lignin crop redidue breakdown My question is since composting does a good job of breaking down lignin, would it be possible to use composting as part of the ethanol creation process? I can imagine that the micro organisms eat also the sugars, leaving nothing for you to ferment to sugar. Pieter A related question: Mother Earth News had an article about a Missouri farmer who uses earthworms to turn distiller's grains into organic fertilizer. Could worms also break down lignin residue before distillation? If this is a dumb question, I apologize. I have made ethanol, but I am not a chemist. This farmer also has made a low energy vacuum distillation system that reduces the cost of ethanol to 38 cents a gallon. He will share his info with anyone. (See below) Read about his work at http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1980_November_Dece mber/A_Self_Sufficient_Energy__Livestock_System_ Some quotes from the article: But McCutcheon's concept of integrated farming for self-sufficiency involves more than simply producing fuels. In order to manufacture ethanol at a reasonable cost, one must take full advantage of the value of the process's by-product . . . the leftover distiller's grains. Normally, such protein-rich remains (which usually total about one-third of the raw materials' original weight) can be sold outright as a livestock feed supplement or used directly on the farm for the same purpose. Charles, however, employs the residue to produce a sizable crop of earthworms! The McCutcheon brainchild is a fiberglass-fabricated, 500-gallon-capacity still that operates under 26 inches of vacuum . . . a factor which allows it to work at a temperature of only 130 0F, as compared with the approximately 1750F that a distillery exposed to atmospheric pressure would have to achieve. To further improve the efficiency of his operation, Mr. McCutcheon uses a hardy imported yeast in his mash, which he claims can withstand as much as a 13% alcohol content, compared with the 8-10% that normal yeast can handle. The additional few percentage points of tolerance, of course, allow the tiny organisms to produce more distillable ethanol per batch of beer. EDITOR'S NOTE: Charlie McCutcheon can provide further information concerning any of his various miracle products to anyone who writes hire at McCutcheon's Midwest Miracle Marts, Dept. TMEN, Highway 5 at Lucky Street, Payette, Missouri 65248 (please include a self-addressed, stamped envelope). ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Biofuel College Courses
depending on the speed your going a higher torque engine can cruise more effcently at a lower rpm than a smaller engine trying to do the same work at a higher rpm if the road is mainly flat, Then the only real diffrence between the 2 cars once up to highway speed is the the amount of effort to overcome the rolling and wind resistance. For such a long trip, things such as if you had a tailwind and your avg travling speed also make a big difrence. and then theres maunal, automatic trans mission and cruise control. What about MIT ? Bede -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pablo Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:51 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuel College Courses I am 18 and not sure where I want to go to college. I might take the year off, as it is so late to be signing up. My question for everyone is, does anyone here know of some good colleges, preferably in the New England area, that have specialty biofuel(or related) courses? That would be a great help to me. Also, I wanted to add an amazing discovery/question that I found this past week. I drive a 1992 honda civic. I just did a full tune up, including O2 sensor, plugs, wires, cap rotor, etc. I drove from FL to MA, and i got about 23 MPG. This is in a 1.5L engine in a car weighing maybe 1600 lbs fully loaded with 106 base HP. I then drove my father's car south( a 2000 Cadillac Deville), from Ma to FL, and got an amazing surprise : his 4.6L American engine with about 300 base HP pulling a car weighing maybe 3000Lbs empty got 28MPG. I also found that in the city, his car's gas mileage was 18 MPG, where mine is about 13. Now I admit to owning a foot of lead, but does anyone know how this is possible as i drove both vehicles, and with regular gas? The calculations were correct for MPG. Any input would be appreciated. ~ Paul ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] de-polymerizing cellulose not practical at this point
You would be farbetter to try and build a ranch community that didn't require heating other than that provided by the sun, there's a number of these sorts of projects going on, for cooling fan forced cooling via the concrete foundation slab is becoming more popular. this removes the excess heat from the building during the day, then releases it at night to help maintain a stable temperature. this costs pennies to the dollarcompared to traditional aircon / heat pumps. How ever there's nothing wrong with learning a new field =) Cheers, Bede. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] move over vw tdi?
evolve or die -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:17 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] move over vw tdi? move over vw tdi? There is a range of three different engines to choose from: a 1.4-litre 61kW/83 PS petrol unit, a 1.8-litre 103kW/140 PS petrol unit or a 2.2-litre 103kW/140 PS diesel unit. All of them are combined with a 6-speed manual gearbox making the new Honda Civic the first car in the C-segment to be equipped with 6-speed gearboxes across all of its range No. Move over Detroit. Hello US unemployment line. Todd Swearingen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if they offer the diesel in the states, biod users may have a new favorite small car: http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communiquenewsid=9097 -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] turbo diesel motorbike
http://www.neander-motors.com/ http://www.gizmag.com.au/go/4273/ Diesel turbo Motor bike.. up to 200nm torque at (2600/min.) Bede Meredith Phone +64 21 892 801 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.codesmith.info ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Fwd: pocket bike USD85.00 (hot sale)
Yeah I want one too, in NZ you can get them registered as mopeds, of course if some enterprising soul put together a diesel engine for them, just think how many kids would get to learn about making there own alternative fuels... they come in a verity of styles, choppers, quads, dirt bikes etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Mullan Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 6:53 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Fwd: pocket bike USD85.00 (hot sale) Hell, I'm 44 and would love to try one. Too bad there isn't any reasonable place to ride one around here. Hmmm, maybe I should pick up a few acres outside of town -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:51 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: pocket bike USD85.00 (hot sale) i'd be curious to know more (specs, pics) about any scooters they have. -chris b. Hi Chris Not really scooters, little motorbikes, though they call them scooters, laws I suppose. If they're anything like these you can see why kids would go for them: http://www.cyphergames.com/49damx3pobi.html Anyway, write and ask: Scincy.Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Compost Update
Yes just pile it up ontop of the soil, you can losely rake or turn over the top of the soil to a shallow depth, it does depend on the type of tree however, pines seem to have intensive root structures close to the surface and most dicidueos(spelling?) don't, trees grow better if you piles all the compost into a big hole prior to planting. placing on top will help as the nutriants leech down through the soil. Its also good as it helps hold the moisture in the ground . trees hate grass and respond to a mulch around there roots, they naturally compete with each other, tress excrete an oil / substance that kills and inhibits grass growth. while grass trys to steal all the surface water Cheers, Bede -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of robert luis rabello Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 7:19 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Compost Update We have a new neighbor, a friendly, English fellow who noticed that I was turning my compost pile this morning. He came over, interested in my work, and asked several questions about composting. We also talked about my garden, which is, apparently, a rather hot topic of discussion among the people who live around here . . . I think my current batch of compost is too wet. After a couple of weeks in the bin, the bottom of the pile is dark brown, crumbly, smells like the forest floor and is crawling with worms and other small creatures. However, many of the long fibers from plant roots and stalks haven't fully decomposed (no, I don't own a shredder!), and the middle of the pile looks too wet. I've mixed in some dry material and put it back together, leaving it for the detritus creatures to handle. My questions with respect to all of this relates to digging compost in around my trees. When we go about weeding, I've noticed that digging near the trees runs a high risk of damaging surface roots. How can I dig all of this compost around my trees without wrecking the root network? Do I just pile the compost onto the surface and let it decompose further into the ground, or should I be less concerned about surface roots and dig the composted material into the soil around the drip line? How far down should I be going? Is this time of year the best time of year to be doing this, or should I save the compost for the fall? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The Dotcom King the Rooftop Solar Revolution
also the common notion - especially on Wall Street - that solar energy is the commercial equivalent of a trust-fund kid, never quite able to stand on its own feet. Politics, not business, an eminent Silicon Valley VC sniffs. We're changing that, Gross shoots back. We're the first people to come along with enough capital, engineering ingenuity, and smarts to say 'It's the economics, stupid.' Gross can count on a powerful ally. One that never sends a fuel bill and self-stores waste. That's 93 million miles from anyone's backyard, and now in its sixth billennium of trouble-free operation. That sends enough photons winging to Earth every hour to meet mankind's power needs for a year. Snatch just a fraction, the dream goes, and LNG supertankers will join whale oil in the Smithsonian museum. Nukes can go back to being bombs. Peace will guide the planet. And you can tell Reddy Kilowatt to go to hell. By email late one night, Gross replies to a question about solar energy's long slog toward a place in the sun. A small group of fanatics will go solar when it's not cost-effective. The WHOLE WORLD will when it is! That is, in fact, the way the world tends to work. Remember how you once needed a Sun Sparcstation to log on to the researcher's playpen called the Internet? And how, with the advent of cheap PCs, the Net erupted in a glorious World Wide Web? Bill Gross certainly does. Bede Meredith Phone +64 21 892 801 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.codesmith.info ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] meat grown in the labs....
Further to the current discussion... http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/83C43DC5-EB8F-4504-A9D3-4E25CE6B7F05. htm Meat can be 'grown' in laboratories Laboratories using new tissue engineering technology might be able to produce meat that is healthier for consumers and cut down on pollution produced by factory farming. While NASA engineers have grown fish tissue in lab dishes, no one has seriously proposed a way to grow meat on commercial levels until now. But a new study conducted by University of Maryland doctoral student Jason Matheny and his colleagues describe two possible ways to do it. Writing in the journal Tissue Engineering on Wednesday, Matheny said scientists could grow cells from the muscle tissue of cattle, pigs, poultry or fish in large flat sheets on thin membranes. These sheets of cells would be grown and stretched, then removed from the membranes and stacked to increase thickness and resemble meat. Plan B Using another method, scientists could grow muscle cells on small three-dimensional beads that stretch with small changes in temperature. The resulting tissue could be used to make processed meat such as chicken nuggets or hamburgers. Cultured meat could also reduce the pollution that results from raising livestock, and you wouldn't need the drugs that are used on animals raised for meat Jason Matheny, University of Maryland doctoral student There would be a lot of benefits from cultured meat, Matheny said in a statement. For one thing, you could control the nutrients. Meat is high in omega-6 fatty acid, which is desirable, but not in large amounts. Healthful omega-3 fatty acids, such as those found in walnuts and fish oils, could be substituted. Cultured meat could also reduce the pollution that results from raising livestock, and you wouldn't need the drugs that are used on animals raised for meat, Matheny said. Perceived benefits Raising livestock requires million of gallons of water and hundreds of acres of land. Meat grown from tissue would bypass those requirements. The demand for meat is increasing worldwide, Matheny said. China's meat demand is doubling every ten years, he said. Poultry consumption in India has doubled in last five years Poultry consumption in India has doubled in the last five years. Writing in this month's Physics World, British physicist Alan Calvert calculated that the animals eaten by people produce 21% of the carbon dioxide that can be attributed to human activity. He recommends people switch to a vegetarian diet as a way to battle global warming. Worldwide reduction of meat production in the pursuit of the targets set in the Kyoto treaty seems to carry fewer political unknowns than cutting our consumption of fossil fuels, he said in a statement. The Kyoto treaty is a global agreement aimed at reducing production of so-called greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide that help fuel global warming. Reuters Bede Meredith Phone +64 21 892 801 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.codesmith.info ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead
traditional agriculture isn't killing the land, its the massive intensive monoculture farming that's killing the land. there's also large areas tied up with such things as mines and munitions going back to the 2nd and first world war that prevent areas of land being used. a gas station doesn't typically take up much space, you would need to get some soil tests done to find out how extensive the damage is, then remove the affected soil and replace it with top soil from another clean source. other wise growing hardy quick growing weeds, and mowing them down till they pull out a good deal of the residues. I imagine lead content would be an issue Landfill sites, at least the modern ones are typically capped with enough soil to grow trees grass and other plants, some of the earlier ones require extensive work to recap, put in run off capture areas that requires waste water treatment. this wouldn't be viable for a single person, but is something that a local municipality needs to take care of. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of r Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:04 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead Traditional agriculture is slowly killing the available land, which means more work for the rest of us who want to own land some day. What would be the necessary steps to restore, say, a former landfill site or a former gas station? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again
There's many trains of thought on this, Crop rotation is very important, there's a whole growing cycle that if used correctly increases soil fertility year on year. In new Zealand, we typically just feed our animals grass, with perhaps additional fodder such as corn waste or some of the root crops grown and market garden type foods such as squash, tomatoes, radishes. we also don't shelter our stock as in keep them in barns etc, they all live out side, there's been some research about this and it all points to animals grown outside are healthier than there indoor compatriots. there's a lot of research also in to stock shock, and exposure to the elements, I really feel sorry for the poor cattle out in the fields in the us with out so much as a tree to shelter them from the sun and wind. NZ has spent allot of time on soil and pasture research as its one the basis of our major exports in fact www.fonterra.com our major dairy company has carries allot of global weight with its products. have a look at http://www.fonterra.com/content/dairyingnz/linksresources/default.jsp for additional resources. its not possible for every country to use all the same practices as us, but the ones they do pick up, could be very rewarding in regards to organics its not impossible to grow organically, its a different set of rules, and requires more understanding of your local conditions, i.e. soil type, nutrient levels and such things as companion planting, you may not be able to go totally organic, but you can definitely cut back on broadcast spraying and dropping the levels of all your inputs needed. Cheers, Bede -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ken Dunn Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:25 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org; Keith Addison Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pimentel is at it again Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Meat is most certainly a sustainable food source. More than that, there is no sustainable way to maintain and renew soil fertility for crop growth without raising animals too. Nature never attempts it, and Man's attempts are doomed to failure - indeed, they are failing. Removing the animals would inevitably mean increased reliance on industrialised agriculture for crop production, and especially on fossil-fuels and chemical fertilisers, and therefore on pesticides too. Wall-to-wall GMOs, in the face of soaring oil costs, hm. Keith, Perhaps I overstated my case and simultaneously was not clear. But, you covered it for me anyway. You are correct, meat as a food source is viable but, I don't think that will continue to be as much of staple like it has been in the U.S. for the last few decades. Furthermore, I don't think that it could have been a staple to the degree that it has been if such a large portion of the world wasn't already somewhere between near-vegetarian and vegan. 6 billion people eating factory raised beef for 2 meals a day would take its toll on the environment pretty fast. You are correct, livestock definitely help us tend the soil but, that doesn't mean that you have to eat the animal for it to be beneficial to you. You could just as easily raise sheep for wool and still have livestock as a dual purpose barnyard companion. And again, have the added benefit of the meat when the sheep has become too old for shearing. Likewise, grazing work horses would provide even better nutrients to the soil if I understand correctly. Back to the original point though, corporate agrobusiness approach to meat farming means that the animal waste is nothing more than a toxic with which to pollute our streams. That same waste is not being used to fertilize the soil. The inputs and outputs of factory farming make that approach to a meat-centric diet unsustainable. Personally, I'd rather see the inputs going to raise grains or vegetables to help the parts of the world that are struggling to provide enough food for themselves right now. But organic farming can't feed everybody? I reckon it's the only thing that can, and it's spreading like a weed. But the crazed food distribution system will have to go, along with its billions of wasted food miles, and the corporate grip on it all will have to go too. For what its worth, I never said anything to the affect that organic farming couldn't feed everyone. In fact, I buy as much *local* *organic* fruits and vegetables as I can get a hold of. I certainly try to promote buying local as much as I can. One more thought, there are *very few* streams here Lancaster County Pennsylvania that I would consider swimming in or eating fish from. This is primarily due to the incredible amount of dairy cattle waste that finds its way into the water every day. That waste is coming directly from the source. Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo
RE: [Biofuel] Smart Car - DaimlerChrysler sees growth above average
try http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/ -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Tony MarzolinoSent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:44 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Smart Car - DaimlerChrysler sees growth above average Does anybody on this list know why DaimlerChrysler does not want to sell this car in the US? I have seen some positive comments from this list about this car. Thanks Tony MarzolinoMH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DaimlerChrysler sees Smart's growth above averageTue Jun 7, 2005 http://today.reuters.co.uk STUTTGART, Germany (Reuters) - DaimlerChrysler expectsabove-average growth rates for minicars and microcarsthis decade, which is why it is hanging on to itsloss-making Smart business, the head of Smart said on Monday."The global market for small cars will grow nearly4.5 percent a year until 2010," Ulrich Walker toldreporters at a media briefing.Sales of microcars, the smallest category which includesthe Smart two-seat model, are set to grow by around4 percent during that period, outstripping expectedannual growth of 2.5 percent for the broadercar market, he added."This is reason enough to be confident about this market,"Walker said, suggesting minicars and microcars wouldboost their global market share to 50 percent by 2010from 30 percent now.DaimlerChrysler has made nothing but losses with Smartsince the first urban hipster two-seater made itsdebut in 1998.It aims to break even with Smart by 2007 after adrastic cost-cutting drive that narrows its focus tojust two models -- the two-seat ForTwo and four-seat ForFour.Walker said Smart was still reviewing whether to try tosell its cars in the United States, the world's biggestcar market. Its next-generation Smart ForTwo due toemerge in 2007 will be engineered to meetU.S. safety and environmental standards.But he said any launch decision hinged on thedollar/euro exchange rate andthe state of sales incentives."This market interests us only becausewe want to make money there," he said.Walker rejected a $1 billion order for Smart carsplaced last month by U.S. car customizer ZAP.The order for July 2005 delivery would havecovered around 76,000 Smarts,a volume that the company makes in half a year.Walker said he was concerned the model might faceliability lawsuits given the current lack ofU.S. certification and that he was wary aboutZAP's financing of the deal."We do not want to and will not havebusiness ties to ZAP in any way," he said.--- http://www.zapworld.com___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Discover Yahoo!Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM more. Check it out! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] General Motors Layoffs
/me rewatches Roger and Me -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gustl Steiner-Zehender Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:23 AM To: Biofuel Subject: [Biofuel] General Motors Layoffs Hallo Folks, I am an old Flint, Michigan boy. I know that Detroit gets all the press but Flint is the home of Buick and Chevrolet. My grandfather began working at the Buick factory in Flint in 1915. He was in the strikes back in '36 and told me that the union went bad, became the mirror image of management in '55. But that isn't what this is about. General Motors is laying off 25,000 employees in order to become more competitive. It blames its employees for the economic problems citing wages, pension and health benefits. Oddly enough there is no mention of building and promoting the gas guzzling monsters it produces. There is no mention of the salaries and benefits of management either. Nothing about the bonuses and benefit packages upper management receive. Nothing but a lot of finger pointing. There does not appear to be an ounce of responsibility in the entire crew controlling things at GM, and for most other companies I think. They not only want to have their cake and eat it too they want to eat from everyone else's plate and force them to like it. This is systemic. The airlines are using bankruptcy to put the screws to their employees already. Worldcomm, Enron, the airlines, GM. We, those of us in at least Michigan and Ohio, are going to get 25,000 new McDonalds workers IF they can find the work. And this is the capitalist model we want to force on everyone else in the world? All take and no give? I am so tired of hearing things like, These are the realities of the situation..., Our profit margin is not big enough., The problem is due to the high cost of energy., We have to impose these wage and benefit cuts because..., and on and on and on. What confounds me is that their machinations are so obviously transparent and so many people just accept what they say and go along with it. Talk about cranial-rectal inversion. I really do not understand how we allow those with money and power to divert our attention by setting one class/religion/race/country/economic system or whatever against another and thereby control us. Are we that stupid? If we aren't then why, as we are being bent over and raped, do we turn our heads and say, Please, use a coarser grade of sandpaper.? It is all too apparent that the political and economic powers that be of all countries are not truly interested in the welfare of the world in general. Neither the welfare of either the entire human race or the world of nature. The welfare they are most interested in is the immediate bottom line. How sad. There has been a lot of talk on this list and others and among the general public (in the US) about our flag, our military, honor, duty, etc., etc., etc. Well folks, flags, all flags, are only bits of rag which are worth nothing. None of them. One flag is not worth the life of one individual human being. Nor is the bottom line, or race, or nationality, or religion, or political persuasion, or economic system or any other extraneous condition. No one owns the truth. Not the Christians, or the Muslims, or the Jews, or the Hindus, or the Buddhists, or any religious group, or the philosophers, or the economists, or the politicians. No one. Each have bits and pieces and snatches of the truth and many claim to have and own the whole thing but that is an illusion or an outright lie. If we burnt ever single book in the world, bar none, every holy text and philosophical and ethical treatise, everything, we would be left with ourselves and what resides within. What are we going to point to then for justification of our excesses? Who are we going to blame? There are some things which appear to defy logic but they really don't. We just don't have all the information even though we may think we do or we don't understand what we are seeing or we aren't seeing it because we're looking in the wrong places or for the wrong thing. One has to see the dots before they can be connected. One has to get beyond name and form to recognize substance. It is a matter of perception and association.That which perceives can perceive everything it is supposed to except...itself. Simple, elemental and oh so difficult to understand let alone own. Friends, we are all one. One race one world. None more important than the other, none of more or less worth. If we can't treat each other and our world with respect then we are headed to hell in a handcart and getting what we deserve. The differences I have seen are artificial constructs and not worth spit. Do others find it odd that some
[Biofuel] China coal mine gas leak kills 19
Ah yes, china just doesn't care how many die providing fuel for its furnaces. as well as coal for export. does your local PowerStation run on blood stained coal? http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/536641/590794/ China coal mine gas leak kills 19 Jun 8, 2005 At least 19 miners died, two were missing and 86 were rushed to hospital after a gas leak at a coal mine in central China, state media reported. The accident happened at the Zijiang coal mine in Loudi city, Hunan province, the Xinhua news agency said. China Central Television reported that 19 bodies had been found and two workers were unaccounted for. It said 86 miners were in hospital but gave no news on their condition. A Hunan work safety bureau official said 224 miners were in the pit at the time. Six rescue teams were at the site, Xinhua said. In a separate development, Xinhua said four more bodies had been retrieved from a coal mine in north China's Hebei province following an accident on May 19. It took the death toll at the Nuanerhe mine to 49. Safety at China's mines is often sacrificed as mine owners pursue profits at all cost to meet a rising demand for coal to fuel China's economic growth. Official figures show that more than 6,000 miners died in accidents in China last year, although independent estimates say the real figure could be as high as 20,000. The State Administration of Work Safety has said it would not be until 2020 that China's mining industry would reach the level of safety seen in medium developed countries, such as South Korea. China has pledged to invest $2.5 billion into improving coal mine safety this year. Bede Meredith Phone +64 21 892 801 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.codesmith.info ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Dirty Money - coal
I don't think you need to worry, These plants can only burn coal the receive. and most coal is delivered by rail, Last I read the rail capacity was overstretched and some cement plants that burn coal could get no promises that coal would even be delivered 27 additional plants depending on there size, and location may run into coal supply difficulties. with rail being a private industry and one that doesn't place any priority over cargos, unless the government passes legislation to get coal delivered before other cargos, there may be no additional energy security. I've also noted that coal prices have risen 200%+ over the last year, and are most likely set to rise on the back of china, once a major exporter of coal, is now importing massive quantities. there's also different grades of coal, the best coal burns hot has less sulfur and water content. where as lignite (spelling?) is a much much lower quality fuel. My own country has a coal fired plant built right on top of a major coal field, yet every year we now import upwards of 1 - 100 million tons (not sure on specific) this is then driven by truck from the port its landed at 100 km's and burnt, as the coal fields its built on cant provide enough coal of the right sort of quality. there's also the disposal problem of the coal ash. amazingly this stuff builds up in huge quantities across the us, while some is used as fly ash in construction as a cement replacement, you can still only use so much. Most is dumped in landfills. I've passed this article along to a few people and I have to say one of them was major pissed Id most certainly like to be kept informed of this 'clean coal' legislation as well as more specifics of these bankrupt projects Cheers, Bede -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:04 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Dirty Money - coal http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2005/05/clean_coal.html Dirty Money News: As coal plants win the right to burn dirtier and dirtier, the administration is subsidizing coal as the clean fuel of the future. By Daphne Eviatar May 26, 2005 Early in his first term, President George W. Bush attended a roundtable discussion with employers of National Guard and Reservists in Charleston, West Virginia. When the question of energy security came up, Bush, who had been introduced by William B. Raney, president of the West Virginia Coal Association, told the audience, It is up to all of us to remind folks that we can safely mine coal and we can cleanly burn it with the right technology. We've got to do it, we've got to sell the country on that. Well, it seems he has. As analysts predict the price of oil could soon top $100 a barrel, coal -- cheap, abundant and politically powerful in the United States -- is enjoying a huge comeback. More than 100 new coal-fired power plants have been proposed across the country, and the federal government is predicting a 25 percent increase in the amount of U.S. energy derived from coal by 2025. The coal industry is trying to rush the gates before the United States gets its act together on climate change and regulating carbon emissions, says Dave Hamilton, director of global warming and energy programs at the Sierra Club. Even if just 72 new plants are built, the U.S. alone will wipe out half the progress the rest of the world makes through the Kyoto protocols. But not to worry, the administration argues: Sure, it's rolled back clean-air regulations, but it's also proudly promoting a program that will give away billions of dollars to subsidize the development of clean energy. As the President announced with much fanfare in presenting his National Energy Policy in May 17, 2001, More than half of the electricity generated in America today comes from coal. If we weren't blessed with this natural resource, we would face even greater [energy] shortages and higher prices today. Yet, coal presents an environmental challenge. So our plan funds research into new, clean coal technologies. There's just one catch: The money isn't going to wind or solar power. It's going directly to. coal. As coal plants win the right to burn dirtier and dirtier, the administration is pitching coal as the clean fuel of the future. In fact, technological advances have made it possible to drastically reduce coal's toxic emissions-and even the greenhouse gases coal plants spew: Many scientists believe that eventually, virtually all the carbon dioxide emitted at power plants could be captured and stored underground. Even the Bush Administration, while denying that CO2 is harmful, has touted its $1 billion FutureGen plan, which would use public and private money to build a zero-carbon power plant. (The project is still in the early planning stages.) But the bulk of the $250 million a year the Administration has been handing out in clean-coal subsidies doesn't do anything like
[Biofuel] The end of oil is closer than you think
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8608.htm The end of oil is closer than you think Oil production could peak next year. Just kiss your lifestyle goodbye By John Vidal 04/21/05 The Guardian - - The one thing that international bankers don't want to hear is that the second Great Depression may be round the corner. But last week, a group of ultra-conservative Swiss financiers asked a retired English petroleum geologist living in Ireland to tell them about the beginning of the end of the oil age. They called Colin Campbell, who helped to found the London-based Oil Depletion Analysis Centre because he is an industry man through and through, has no financial agenda and has spent most of a lifetime on the front line of oil exploration on three continents. He was chief geologist for Amoco, a vice-president of Fina, and has worked for BP, Texaco, Shell, ChevronTexaco and Exxon in a dozen different countries. Don't worry about oil running out; it won't for very many years, the Oxford PhD told the bankers in a message that he will repeat to businessmen, academics and investment analysts at a conference in Edinburgh next week. The issue is the long downward slope that opens on the other side of peak production. Oil and gas dominate our lives, and their decline will change the world in radical and unpredictable ways, he says. Campbell reckons global peak production of conventional oil - the kind associated with gushing oil wells - is approaching fast, perhaps even next year. His calculations are based on historical and present production data, published reserves and discoveries of companies and governments, estimates of reserves lodged with the US Securities and Exchange Commission, speeches by oil chiefs and a deep knowledge of how the industry works. About 944bn barrels of oil has so far been extracted, some 764bn remains extractable in known fields, or reserves, and a further 142bn of reserves are classed as 'yet-to-find', meaning what oil is expected to be discovered. If this is so, then the overall oil peak arrives next year, he says. If he is correct, then global oil production can be expected to decline steadily at about 2-3% a year, the cost of everything from travel, heating, agriculture, trade, and anything made of plastic rises. And the scramble to control oil resources intensifies. As one US analyst said this week: Just kiss your lifestyle goodbye. But the Campbell analysis is way off the much more optimistic official figures. The US Geological Survey (USGS) states that reserves in 2000 (its latest figures) of recoverable oil were about three trillion barrels and that peak production will not come for about 30 years. The International Energy Agency (IEA) believes that oil will peak between 2013 and 2037 and Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq and Iran, four countries with much of the world's known reserves, report little if any depletion of reserves. Meanwhile, the oil companies - which do not make public estimates of their own peak oil - say there is no shortage of oil and gas for the long term. The world holds enough proved reserves for 40 years of supply and at least 60 years of gas supply at current consumption rates, said BP this week. Indeed, almost every year for 150 years, the oil industry has produced more than it did the year before, and predictions of oil running out or peaking have always been proved wrong. Today, the industry is producing about 83m barrels a day, with big new fields in Azerbaijan, Angola, Algeria, the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico and elsewhere soon expected on stream. But the business of estimating oil reserves is contentious and political. According to Campbell, companies seldom report their true findings for commercial reasons, and governments - which own 90% of the reserves - often lie. Most official figures, he says, are grossly unreliable: Estimating reserves is a scientific business. There is a range of uncertainty but it is not impossible to get a good idea of what a field contains. Reporting [reserves], however, is a political act. According to Campbell and other oil industry sources, the two most widely used estimates of world oil reserves, drawn up by the Oil and Gas Journal and the BP Statistical Review, both rely on reserve estimates provided to them by governments and industry and do not question their accuracy. Companies, says Campbell, under-report their new discoveries to comply with strict US stock exchange rules, but then revise them upwards over time, partly to boost their share prices with good news results. I do not think that I ever told the truth about the size of a prospect. That was not the game we were in, he says. As we were competing for funds with other subsidiaries around the world, we had to exaggerate. Most serious of all, he and other oil depletion analysts and petroleum geologists, most of whom have been in the industry for years, accuse the US of using questionable statistical probability models to calculate global
RE: [Biofuel] Nuclear power 'regaining stature' as option
Nuclear power has the misconception of being essentially Free Power In that you only have to pour money into building a plant, getting some cheap fuel and that's it. What no one tells you about is you have to spend millions mining and crushing ore from a few mines in the world. Indecently none if any of them happen to be in the us Indecently Iran has a large area which they can mine on there own territory. The largest one is in the outback in Australia. if you do a bit of hunting around you'll also find uranium prices have risen over %100 over the last year and Russia and china have already ramped up production of new reactors. and there quite literally will be a shortage of nuclear fuel in 10 - 20 years. Bede ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
