Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed Biofuel Produces More Greenhouse Gas Than Oil Or Petrol
Hi you all I agree with Keith comments. Also with Herr Elsbett. *Yes, technology favors biodiesel of SVO *and the proper way to think about the problem is to conduct life cycle analysis . Low sulfur fuel needs biodiesel or SVO ( based on my very limited knowledge much better fuel than any other considering LCA). to add lubricity or fatty acid derived additive like cocoamine. By the way let's remember sulfate has the opposite effect of CO2. So isolated analysis is like applying good pills and good medicine in a dead body. As the Portuguese people says lets not take the soup so hot as it served to us... meaning if you burn your tongue and mouth you loose the opportunity to feel the taste and flavor. A joke but...all cattle in the world produces significant pollution and it is not as publicized as the emissions of NOx from rapeseed. Very best for you all Chic Keith Addison escreveu: Hi Ken and all On Sep 28, 2007, at 6:15 AM, Joe Street wrote: And what if good organic and biodynamic tecniques are used and the health of the soil and microorganisms is considered so that nitrogen is fixed through natural processes? Is this not a nitrogen sink rather than a source? I think nitrogen fixing typically takes molecular nitrogen (N2) out of the air -- not sure if nitrogen oxides can be fixed in the same way. If NOx is really a bad GHG, and if it can't be utilized by nitrogen- fixing bacteria, then methods must be employed to reduce its emissions from biodiesel burning -K This report, like so many others, fails to distinguish between biofuels and Agrofuels, and fails to take the full life-cycle approach, which is the only one that tells any truths. Some things probably have to be offset against other things. Agrofuels won't ever be carbon-neutral, but biofuels (small-scale, local) can be carbon-neutral, and in such a context any extra NOx that comes with biodiesel is probably a worthwhile tradeoff compared with fossil-diesel. Gasoline motors are still cleaner-burning than diesels, but diesels use much less fuel, and when they use local biodiesel the carbon reduction makes any extra NOx an even smaller issue. Klaus Elsbett told me this four years ago, in a comment on Tokyo's buffoon of a mayor's ridiculous DieselNo! campaign: One has to distinguish between local pollution and global pollution: The use of renewable energy is of greatest importance to reduce global pollution, especially that of greenhouse gases. But it cannot solve the problem of overpollution in overpopulated and overmotorised areas such as Greater Tokyo, Los Angeles, Mexico City and the like. While in city traffic and stop-and-go driving condition the diesel (i.e. compression ignition) system is by far the most fuel-efficient engine system, the exhaust gas emissions (whether with diesel or with veggie oil) in terms of nitrogen oxid, hydrocarbons and blacksmoke are less good than those of lpg or gasoline (i.e. spark ignition) engines. That is due to the fact that the exhaust gas aftertreatment and -aftercleaning of spark ignition engines is much more advanced, even though that costs you double the fuel consumption. So in my opinion the DieselNo! campaign falls short as it is just trying to solve the problem of local pollution at the cost of higher global pollution. That is quite typical for local populistic politicians. In my opinion, the real solution was to ban every vehicle with a combustion engine and replace it with a perfect public transportation system and goods distribution logistic at least in those urban areas. Quite so. One reason exhaust gas treatment of spark ignition engines is more advanced than with diesels is the old high-sulphur petrodiesel fuel, because the sulphur poisons the catalyst in catalytic converters. But biodiesel contains no sulphur, so diesels using 100% biodiesel can use catalytic converters. So can diesels using the newer ULSD (Ultra-Low Sulphur Diesel) fuels, but the problem with that is that it's only the newer, more advanced diesel engines that can use those fuels, because it's the sulphur content of the fuel that provides the required engine lubricity. But biodiesel has very high lubricity even without sulphur, and when biodiesel is used as a lubricity additive to ULSD (2%), older diesels can burn the new fuel without a major retrofit and can also use after-treatment technologies. That's important because diesel motors last such a long time, and replacing them before their use-by date only for emissions reasons comes with very high eco-manufacturing costs (including extra emissions). If you visit DieselNet you'll find a lot of progress being made on improving diesel emissions, on all fronts. There are also fuel additives that reduce NOx emissions well below petro-diesel levels. A report like this that doesn't take all this into account is both
Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed Biofuel Produces More Greenhouse Gas Than Oil Or Petrol
Kirk I loved your absurd thought for the day. Kirk McLoren escreveu: (actually they don't fart methane, they belch it). LOL strange picture. equipped with a pilot light they would be dragon cows. My absurd thought for the day. :) Kirk Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken and all On Sep 28, 2007, at 6:15 AM, Joe Street wrote: And what if good organic and biodynamic tecniques are used and the health of the soil and microorganisms is considered so that nitrogen is fixed through natural processes? Is this not a nitrogen sink rather than a source? I think nitrogen fixing typically takes molecular nitrogen (N2) out of the air -- not sure if nitrogen oxides can be fixed in the same way. If NOx is really a bad GHG, and if it can't be utilized by nitrogen- fixing bacteria, then methods must be employed to reduce its emissions from biodiesel burning -K This report, like so many others, fails to distinguish between biofuels and Agrofuels, and fails to take the full life-cycle approach, which is the only one that tells any truths. Some things probably have to be offset against other things. Agrofuels won't ever be carbon-neutral, but biofuels (small-scale, local) can be carbon-neutral, and in such a context any extra NOx that comes with biodiesel is probably a worthwhile tradeoff compared with fossil-diesel. Gasoline motors are still cleaner-burning than diesels, but diesels use much less fuel, and when they use local biodiesel the carbon reduction makes any extra NOx an even smaller issue. Klaus Elsbett told me this four years ago, in a comment on Tokyo's buffoon of a mayor's ridiculous DieselNo! campaign: One has to distinguish between local pollution and global pollution: The use of renewable energy is of greatest importance to reduce global pollution, especially that of greenhouse gases. But it cannot solve the problem of overpollution in overpopulated and overmotorised areas such as Greater Tokyo, Los Angeles, Mexico City and the like. While in city traffic and stop-and-go driving condition the diesel (i.e. compression ignition) system is by far the most fuel-efficient engine system, the exhaust gas emissions (whether with diesel or with veggie oil) in terms of nitrogen oxid, hydrocarbons and blacksmoke are less good than those of lpg or gasoline (i.e. spark ignition) engines. That is due to the fact that the exhaust gas aftertreatment and -aftercleaning of spark ignition engines is much more advanced, even though that costs you double the fuel consumption. So in my opinion the DieselNo! campaign falls short as it is just trying to solve the problem of local pollution at the cost of higher global pollution. That is quite typical for local populistic politicians. In my opinion, the real solution was to ban every vehicle with a combustion engine and replace it with a perfect public transportation system and goods distribution logistic at least in those urban areas. Quite so. One reason exhaust gas treatment of spark ignition engines is more advanced than with diesels is the old high-sulphur petrodiesel fuel, because the sulphur poisons the catalyst in catalytic converters. But biodiesel contains no sulphur, so diesels using 100% biodiesel can use catalytic converters. So can diesels using the newer ULSD (Ultra-Low Sulphur Diesel) fuels, but the problem with that is that it's only the newer, more advanced diesel engines that can use those fuels, because it's the sulphur content of the fuel that provides the required engine lubricity. But biodiesel has very high lubricity even without sulphur, and when biodiesel is used as a lubricity additive to ULSD (2%), older diesels can burn the new fuel without a major retrofit and can also use after-treatment technologies. That's important because diesel motors last such a long time, and replacing them before their use-by date only for emissions reasons comes with very high eco-manufacturing costs (including extra emissions). If you visit DieselNet you'll find a lot of progress being made on improving diesel emissions, on all fronts. There are also fuel additives that reduce NOx emissions well below petro-diesel levels. A report like this that doesn't take all this into account is both biased and ignorant, IMHO. Real junk science. Ken, I don't know if N-fixing bacteria can deal with NOx or not, but I think it'd be asking rather a lot of them to handle this problem for us. A bit like asking cows not to fart so we can all go on guzzling gas like there's no tomorrow (actually they don't fart methane, they belch it). I think we can handle it ourselves. Publish-or-perish scientists don't help much though. All best Keith - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. -- next part -- An HTML
Re: [Biofuel] Rapeseed Biofuel Produces More Greenhouse Gas Than Oil Or Petrol
Dear all; _*This is not new*_ but the publicity and the way it was publicized is.In the past several engine test where run and exhaust gases were analyzed. ( Keith do you agree?) More nox are there. (It seems to me higher nox is a manageable consequence when using biofuels). Some biofuels produce more than the others but all produce more nox then fossil fuel. A credible analysis must consider several parameters and so it must carry a LCA life cycle analysis; this is a must ( this is not a simple task even though is not very difficult). At the end I believe ( this is not hard data this is my guess ) biofuels still will perform better on environmental terms and most likely will be more economical as the damages cost of biofuels are much lower then teh one form fossil fuels. Very best for us Chic Joe Street escreveu: Olivier Morf wrote: Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2507851.ece September 22, 2007 Rapeseed Biofuel Produces More Greenhouse Gas Than Oil Or Petrol By Lewis Smith SNIP Rapeseed and maize biodiesels were calculated to produce up to 70 per cent and 50 per cent more greenhouse gases respectively than fossil fuels. The concerns were raised over the levels of emissions of nitrous oxide, which is 296 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Scientists found that the use of biofuels released twice as much as nitrous oxide as previously realised. The research team found that 3 to 5 per cent of the nitrogen in fertiliser was converted and emitted. And what if good organic and biodynamic tecniques are used and the health of the soil and microorganisms is considered so that nitrogen is fixed through natural processes? Is this not a nitrogen sink rather than a source? Sighanother brick in the smear campaign wall...not even a clever one. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Winterizing B100
Tom May I suggest you inquiry directly to lubrizol? email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] They do have cfpp depressant. Very best Chic Thomas Kelly escreveu: Francisco, That you for the information. I visited the lubrizol web site, but have not yet found a way to get the Cold Flow Additive. My methanol supplier is a distributor for ExxonMobil lubricants. Maybe they can get the product for me. It's a bit odd that their sales representative gave me the information about EnerFlow, and phone number for the company that makes it, but didn't mention the Lubrizol product. So far, all the other products I've found only decrease pour point of BD, making it easier to transport during cold weather and then blend it with petro diesel. The Lubrizol Cold Flow Additive and the EnerTech EnerFlow 1000 claim to decrease cloud point. Thanks again. I hope I can get some of the additive to experiment with before the cold weather comes. Tom - Original Message - From: francisco ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Winterizing B100 Tom. My experience with fuels and lubes tells me always use a bullet proof product. To many variables are involved. Lot's of testing ; lab bench and engine. I strongly suggest you take a look at http://www.lubrizol.com/BioQualified/additives.asp To the best of my knowledge *Lubrizol and Infineum* ( ExxonMobil and Shell joint venture former Paramins) are the best additives companies on Earth. ( I worked during 20 year for Exxon /Paramins). Infineum is dedicated to petroleum and just starting with biofuels. Lubrizol is in the biofuel business for a long time. They are here in Brazil at least last 40 years so plenty of experience with biofuels. The problem in here is Lubrizol sells directly to big consumers- but who knows... take your chance Suggest you use only Cold Flow Additive forget about other additives provided biodiesel supplier is a good one. Very best Thomas Kelly escreveu: Hello All, It's a bit early for those of us in the northern hemisphere to be thinking about winter, but I just got off the phone with the developer of a winterizer for biodiesel. He is also the president of a company called Enertech Labs in Buffalo, NY. Among the products they sell are EnerFlow 20 for biodiesel blends up to B20 and EnerFlow 1000 for winterizing B100. (EnerFlow 20 is EnerFlow 1000 combined with another product called Complete Fuel Treatment, a cold weather treatment and conditioner for today's diesel fuels.) I was told that EnerFlow 1000 has been on the market for about 18 months and that it is selling well in the southern hemisphere right now. I would like to know if anyone has used it. I typically blend 30 - 40% winterized petro diesel with my BD from November through February. I'd like to use B100 all year round. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Winterizing B100
cfpp is the variable to be managed as it indicates the plugging point.So what you need is a cold flow plugging point depressant. Vbest Chic francisco ramos escreveu: Tom May I suggest you inquiry directly to lubrizol? email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] They do have cfpp depressant. Very best Chic Thomas Kelly escreveu: Francisco, That you for the information. I visited the lubrizol web site, but have not yet found a way to get the Cold Flow Additive. My methanol supplier is a distributor for ExxonMobil lubricants. Maybe they can get the product for me. It's a bit odd that their sales representative gave me the information about EnerFlow, and phone number for the company that makes it, but didn't mention the Lubrizol product. So far, all the other products I've found only decrease pour point of BD, making it easier to transport during cold weather and then blend it with petro diesel. The Lubrizol Cold Flow Additive and the EnerTech EnerFlow 1000 claim to decrease cloud point. Thanks again. I hope I can get some of the additive to experiment with before the cold weather comes. Tom - Original Message - From: francisco ramos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Winterizing B100 Tom. My experience with fuels and lubes tells me always use a bullet proof product. To many variables are involved. Lot's of testing ; lab bench and engine. I strongly suggest you take a look at http://www.lubrizol.com/BioQualified/additives.asp To the best of my knowledge *Lubrizol and Infineum* ( ExxonMobil and Shell joint venture former Paramins) are the best additives companies on Earth. ( I worked during 20 year for Exxon /Paramins). Infineum is dedicated to petroleum and just starting with biofuels. Lubrizol is in the biofuel business for a long time. They are here in Brazil at least last 40 years so plenty of experience with biofuels. The problem in here is Lubrizol sells directly to big consumers- but who knows... take your chance Suggest you use only Cold Flow Additive forget about other additives provided biodiesel supplier is a good one. Very best Thomas Kelly escreveu: Hello All, It's a bit early for those of us in the northern hemisphere to be thinking about winter, but I just got off the phone with the developer of a winterizer for biodiesel. He is also the president of a company called Enertech Labs in Buffalo, NY. Among the products they sell are EnerFlow 20 for biodiesel blends up to B20 and EnerFlow 1000 for winterizing B100. (EnerFlow 20 is EnerFlow 1000 combined with another product called Complete Fuel Treatment, a cold weather treatment and conditioner for today's diesel fuels.) I was told that EnerFlow 1000 has been on the market for about 18 months and that it is selling well in the southern hemisphere right now. I would like to know if anyone has used it. I typically blend 30 - 40% winterized petro diesel with my BD from November through February. I'd like to use B100 all year round. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Winterizing B100
Tom. My experience with fuels and lubes tells me always use a bullet proof product. To many variables are involved. Lot's of testing ; lab bench and engine. I strongly suggest you take a look at http://www.lubrizol.com/BioQualified/additives.asp To the best of my knowledge *Lubrizol and Infineum* ( ExxonMobil and Shell joint venture former Paramins) are the best additives companies on Earth. ( I worked during 20 year for Exxon /Paramins). Infineum is dedicated to petroleum and just starting with biofuels. Lubrizol is in the biofuel business for a long time. They are here in Brazil at least last 40 years so plenty of experience with biofuels. The problem in here is Lubrizol sells directly to big consumers- but who knows... take your chance Suggest you use only Cold Flow Additive forget about other additives provided biodiesel supplier is a good one. Very best Thomas Kelly escreveu: Hello All, It's a bit early for those of us in the northern hemisphere to be thinking about winter, but I just got off the phone with the developer of a winterizer for biodiesel. He is also the president of a company called Enertech Labs in Buffalo, NY. Among the products they sell are EnerFlow 20 for biodiesel blends up to B20 and EnerFlow 1000 for winterizing B100. (EnerFlow 20 is EnerFlow 1000 combined with another product called Complete Fuel Treatment, a cold weather treatment and conditioner for today's diesel fuels.) I was told that EnerFlow 1000 has been on the market for about 18 months and that it is selling well in the southern hemisphere right now. I would like to know if anyone has used it. I typically blend 30 - 40% winterized petro diesel with my BD from November through February. I'd like to use B100 all year round. Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Giant microwave turns plastic back to oil
Hi you Do you know if there any are biofuel certification agency in business as of now? If not does someone knows current plans? If so please kindly ask you to let me know. Very best fo rus Chic Thank you for you help. AltEnergyNetwork escreveu: Giant microwave turns plastic back to oil http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn12141-giant-microwave-turns-plastic-back-to-oil.html Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics Tomorrow-energy http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Algal Biodiesel: Fact or Fiction?
Keith 1)Thank you very much in providing all of us with first class info all the time. 2) I have in Brazil few ethanol refineries for sale, in the event someone is interested pls let me know. Very best for us Chic Keith Addison escreveu: John Benemann was co-author of the book that sparked all the interest in biodiesel from algae: A Look Back at the U.S. Department of Energy's Aquatic Species Program-Biodiesel from Algae, by John Sheehan, Terri Dunahay, John Benemann, Paul Roessler, July 1998, National Renewable Energy Laboratory, U.S. Department of Energy. 328 p, 3.5Mb: http://www.nrel.gov/docs/legosti/fy98/24190.pdf See also: Krassen Dimitrov http://www.nanostring.net/Algae/CaseStudy.pdf - http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2541 The Oil Drum | The Man Who Wrote the Book on Algal Biodiesel May 17, 2007 by John Benemann I saw with some interest the guest post on Has the Algae Cavalry Arrived posted by Heading Out and written by fireangel about the claims being made by GreenFuel Technologies (GFT) Corporation. I have some standing in this matter, both as Manager of the International Network on Biofixation of Carbon Dioxide and Greenhouse Gas Abatement with Microalgae (operated by the Int. Energy Agency, Greenhouse Gas RD Programme) and also as a researcher in this field for over 30 year. My comments here are my own, of course, and don't necessarily reflect those of the GhG RD Programme or others involved in the Biofixation Network. In brief: 1. The post by fireangel, based on the analysis by Dr. Krassen Dimitrov's, is generally correct, although some details regarding algae physiology and mass culture are arguable. However, those would not change the general conclusions of this posting. Well done! 2. The claims for biodiesel production rates being made by GFT, among many others in this field, exceed anything based on biological or physical theory, as also pointed out in this posting. They are truly bizarre. 3. The use of closed photobioreactors ($100+/m2) for such applications is totally absurd. 4. I am on the record as stating that this is It's bizarre; it's totally absurd. (see below article from the American Scientist last year, which quotes me to that effect. This was a correct quote, and in context). 5. Open ponds, at $10/m2 can be as productive as closed photobioreactors. The arguments that closed systems are better than open ponds are incorrect - they both have their particular applications and benefits/drawbacks. It all depends on the situation and applications. The main difference is that open ponds are much cheaper. 6. Open ponds may plausibly be considered for algae biofuels production, but this assumes that indeed the required RD is successful, a very BIG IF (but that is true of all RD). But it is worthwhile trying, as we must try all plausible options. But we must also reject those that, as pointed out in this posting, violate first principles and have other major up-front failings. 7. I was the Principal Investigator and main author of the U.S. DOE Aquatic Species Program (ASP) Close-Out Report [RR: You can download this 328 page PDF, which I have actually read, here], and thus am rather familiar with it. The report was published by NREL with their own introduction that paints a perhaps somewhat too-positive picture in light of the actual data and results. Thus it should be used with some caution. This report was meant to just summarize the work done by the ASP, which spent about $100 million, (in today's dollars) over about a decade and a half. 8. Microalgae biofuels generally, and algae biodiesel production specifically, is still a long-term RD goal (likely about 10 years), that will require at least as much funding as the ASP, if not more, and success is, as for any RD effort, rather uncertain. 9. Some near term applications can be considered, in wastewater treatment specifically (but, wait, do not rush to your nearest algae wastewater treatment ponds - there are thousands of these around, but they are mostly very small and their algae have little or no oil, at least the way that we operate those systems at present. Making oil from algae grown on wastewaters also still requires significant RD). 10. There are now scores of venture-financed companies, university research groups, government labs, garage start-ups, GFT licensees, web sites, and on and on claiming that they have, can, may and/or will produce algae biodiesel, at low cost, high productivity, soon, etc. None are based on data, experience, reality or even a correct reading of the literature. 11. I am not aware of any work in this field done by Prof. Briggs at U. New Hampshire, outside from an old website that quotes the Aquatic Species Program Close Out Report. There is no basis for the projections he makes for very high biodiesel production rates. 12. Even if RD proves
Re: [Biofuel] Energy saving
Haka Your website spark insperation. I loved small hidropower part. Chic Joe Street escreveu: Nice website Hakan Joe Hakan Falk wrote: After moving my site http://energysavingnow.com a number of times and changed domain names, I have finally had the time to fix most of the links and information. It was a mess, but I think I did catch most of the problems and if you like to look, it would be nice if you tell me about things I might have missed. After being inactive and not worked on the site, I am surprised about how much useful information it was on it. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
Tom and Jim I understand. Thks. Chic Thomas Kelly wrote: Chic wrote: Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? No. (Based on the best info I have) The explanation I received from a representative of a chemical supply company is consistent with the info at a site James Phelps provided: http://www.purchasing.com/article/CA6389243.html For various reasons there was an unexpected drop in methanol production. The drop in supply coupled with continued demand - price increase. This is similar to the helium shortage (almost thwarted the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade) due to two of the major producers going off line at the same time . one unexpectedly; the other to due routine yearly maintenance. The methanol price should return to a more reasonable level as production resumes. Production is supposedly coming back. Before the price drops, reduced reserves will have to be replenished. It would be interesting to plot monthly prices for methanol over the past few years . see if there are months/seasons when the price is low or high. The representative I talked to said that the price he pays (northeastern US) goes up a bit during our winter months due to increased demand for windshield washed fluid that is winterized w. methanol. Those of us who have the luxury of safe storage space might consider buying an extra barrel or two when the price is low. Tom - Original Message - *From:* FRANCISCO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 23, 2006 9:22 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? VEry best Chic VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase?
I assume the metanol demand world wide is increasing as biofuels production are increasing sharply. Is it valid to assume prices have gone up do to pressure on demand not cost build up reasons? VEry best Chic VAN DER SLUYS, WILLIAM wrote: It is my understanding that most of the methanol available in the US is produced from ethylene (petroleum). I'm not surprising that methanol prices have gone up, but, I am surprised it took so long for them to do so. They probably will come back down in the near future since oil prices have moderated. The other way to make methanol is from wood, by way of pyrolysis (destructive heating which also produces charcoal) but this is not commonly done since it is more difficult and costly. - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol Price Increase? Hello All, Did I miss the news? Has there been a significant increase in the price of methanol recently? I just got the bill for a delivery (two 55gal barrels). Previous price ( July): $2.60 USD/gallon; current bill: $3.54 USD/ gallon 35% increase in a few months? I'll call my supplier in a little while ... maybe it's just a billing mistake. I am just hoping someone has some info. Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FFA Recovery
I kindly ask to Todd Swearingen and/or to Jan Lieuwe Bolding described the process again as I can not find it in my files. I thank you in advnce for your kindness Very best for us Chic Jan Lieuwe Bolding wrote: Tom, I get an FFA layer and Glycerine layer. Jan Lieuwe Bolding 2006/8/7, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jan, Is one of the layers the mineral precipitate? Tom - Original Message - From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] FFA Recovery I have tried to seperate the FFA and Glycerine in the way as Todd Swearingen has described It. I only get two layers instead of three, can anyone explan this? When I want to recycle the FFA in the first step of my Two Stage Acid Base proces do I have to add extra Methanol? With kind regards, Jan Lieuwe Bolding ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Tallow
HI everybody and Bob and JJN specially, I have made the porr man´s tritation process withtallow. I did apply for the experiment an equivalent of 300mL of methanol per liter, and 4.5, 5.0, 5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0 and 7.5of KOH. My results, were to have transformation in all cuantities of catalyst but 4.5. I mean from 5 grams of catalyst per liter I had transformation i got the two fases, and so on with the others. The amount of glicerine were quite similar formost of the batches but for the 5.5 and 7.5, finally I found that may be the 5.5 one had a little bit mor tallow or methanol and I fopund that 7.5 grams of KOH is the amount of catalyst thatmakesout more glicerine. The question is what is the right amount of catalyst to use for my next process? I would like to hear comments from you and suggestions about cleaning my biodiesel. I think i will use bubble washing. Thanks Pablo ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tallow
I used Fresh Tallow I worked first with fresh vegetable oul and the results of tallow are quiete similar but the glicerine is LIgtherl (less brown). I have not washed any of the tests. I did not tritate I just put in a 200mLmelted tallow in each of the 7 bottles, and add quantities of metanol (300 mL each) and KOH (85% pure) to find out wich quantity would be adequate between ( 4.5 to 7.5 Grams per litre of KOH) those used. I found out that 7,5 grams per litre or 1,5 per 200mL will makemost quantity of gilcerine.But I obtained separation for all of the tests but for the one equivalent to 4,5 grams per liter or 0.9 grams per 200mL. I used methanol excess. And I think i will make Bubble Washing I understand better the method.Any way keithor anybody if you have any sugestions I will hear cause Is the way to get better. Pablo On 6/9/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi PabloHI everybody and Boband JJN specially,I have made the porr man´s tritation process with tallow. Fresh tallow or used tallow? If it's used tallow did you titrate itor just use the bracket tests?I did apply for the experiment an equivalent of 300mL of methanolper liter, and 4.5, 5.0, 5.5 , 6.0, 6.5, 7.0 and 7.5 of KOH.Myresults, were to have transformation in all cuantities of catalystbut 4.5.I mean from 5 grams of catalyst per liter I hadtransformation i got the two fases, and so on with the others.The amount of glicerine were quite similar for most of the batches butfor the 5.5 and 7.5, finally I found that may be the 5.5 one had alittle bit mor tallow or methanol and I fopund that 7.5 grams of KOH is the amount of catalyst that makes out more glicerine.What strength of KOH are you using?Did you do wash tests of the samples?The question is what is the right amount of catalyst to use for my next process?I would like to hear comments from you and suggestions aboutcleaning my biodiesel.I think i will use bubble washing.Well, if you want to waste a lot of time and risk oxidising your fuel you can use bubble-washing. I suggest you read this whole page first:http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.htmlWashingBest KeithThanksPablo___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol for diesel engines
Hi Ethanol is close to gasoline when referring to fueling energy to an engine. Therefore cetane number is low even though ethanol prefers higher pressure than regular gasoline. So ethanol diesel blend to be viable as fuel and easy the blending has to have two supports: cetane improver additive to easy combustion and a electronic/software combination which can adjust ignition timing and pumpin all the time. ( Please remember atomiztion is diferent also!) In order to reduce the amount of additive ( very expensive and it is like TNT - worsening stability) I assume they use some diesel so it helps ignition (Please note) This reminds me the natural gas/diesel dual fuel engine where the diesel is used as the spark plug and the electronics do the rest. Please remember when we have two types of fuel two explosions will always happen and in the case of the diesel/cetane improver/alcohol we might have three explosions and this is not good for the engine so in the long run efficiency is jeopardize severely. Hakan you are right: The cetane improver experiences with alcohol have been done a long time by Scania and in fact they tried to introduce this technology in Brasil. It is not used because it was considered too expensive. The consumption should be much higher than the 100% diesel ( energy content per mass and volume admission in the combustion chamber ) and considering the new refining technologies the emissions of the new blend should not be better. We still do not know the effect of aldehyde on the environment a please pay attention nitrates generates NOx thru exhaust pipe and aldehyde and NOx are always there when using alcohol. Also diesel engines do operate at higher temperatures and this can affect exhaust gases worsening emissions environmentally speaking. In my opinion we have to scrutinize this approach thouruglly and this approach it is not novel. I love ppo svo and biodiesel. very best fo rall of us Chic Hakan Falk wrote: Keith, If I remembered right, the Swedish diesel buses are running on a wood alcohol mix, with some sort of additive. In Sweden it is now more and more common that the buses use biofuel. Hakan At 18:47 07/06/2006, you wrote: Hi Tomas Hi, this one fuel combination is interesting. I've never heard about such possibility before: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/06/xcelplus_acquir.html -- Tomas Juknevicius Fuel-Cycle Energy and Emission Impacts of Ethanol-Diesel Blends in Urban Buses and Farming Tractors, (July 2003, 992kb pdf) http://www.transportation.anl.gov/pdfs/TA/280.pdf The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson Chapter 3 UTILIZATION OF ALCOHOL FUELS Diesel Engines http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual3.html Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] H biodiesel
Hi you all Thought you all would like to learn Petrobras - Brazilian oil state and public owned co. just applied for a new refined process in which is added svo at 10% ratio to the middle distillate blend and before hydro finishing and or hydro treating. As a result they got a superior diesel quality when refering to Sulfur content, Oxygen content and atomization meaning combustion. It seems soy oil gives the best result. I do not know the technicalities but certainly this is a good move towards cleaner environment as less pollutant will be dumped in the air. This H BIODIESEL ( as they call it) certainly is cost competitive as hydrogenation or hydro treating is already there and SVO is almost at the same cost of raw diesel. Even better is the possibility to use existing distribution system for petrodiesel. In short can be very cost competitive not even considering the quality. Step by step is also a good way to get foward on our journey. Very best for you all ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Tallow
Hi, Is there someone Who had worked Bio diesel from tallow? I do Know the process but I am afraid I not sure about quantities. What one should be the Ph for the trtation process? Is OK KOH and Methanol? Well any one Who Knows Would be helpful Thanks Pablo ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Rational Energy
I do not remember seeing this in our forum. I found this project magnificent. If you have been acquainted with this pls disregard this email. Very best for all of us http://www.solarmissiontechnologies.com/SolarTower%20Animation%202004.wmv Chico ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] It was bound to happen - is this the beginning of the endfor BD?
Dear Mr. Mike Weaver: In South America we have been told that USA is the land of free enterprise and the land of opportunities and that all citizens are equal before the law... that is the reason that so many mexicans and southamericans emigrate to USA!!!. I can hardly beleave that citizen Arnold is not giving the plain americans a fair chance to work!!!... it seems to me that he is keeping the job (grease) to some of his friends!!. Perhaps he knows that you did non vote for him?... check on that. Some tactics like those ones are applyed to us here in Venezuela by our governors and president, they are starving many of us to death. F. - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:41 PM Subject: [Biofuel] It was bound to happen - is this the beginning of the endfor BD? Gov Arnold signed into law in Sept 05 a waste collection law AB1065, that had no minimum use exemption and classified all restaurant waste as waste grease. There are several of us in California that have developed a letter that we have sent to our legislators and the author asking for an amendment. This law was sponsored by the refiners as a response to broken contracts. Another thing that they have been doing is making new contracts that have a all or nothing clause. They will not take the trap waste without the fryer oil. This new law requires anyone who collects waste grease in any amount to have a liscense and 1million dollar bond insurance. This is wrong and we are trying to fight it. If any of you on this list live in CA please contact me so I can get you the copy of the letter. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Transesterification Seperation after using ethanol
Dear sirs: 1.-Could you please indicate me if Free Fatty Acids are soluble in: a) Glycerine b) Biodiesel (tallow ethyl ester). 2.- Using Ethanol 99.9%, KOH, beef talow, I obtained BD (liquid at 25ºC, 77ºF) but glicerine separation not detectable. Any suggestion?. Thanks in advance, Mr. F.J. Burgos ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Transesterification Separation after using ethanol
Dear Mr. Ken Provost: Thanks. F. J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Transesterification Separation after using ethanol On Dec 30, 2005, at 6:31 AM, francisco j burgos wrote: 1.-Could you please indicate me if Free Fatty Acids are soluble in: a) Glycerine b) Biodiesel (tallow ethyl ester). Nearly insoluble in glycerol, fully soluble in biodiesel. 2.- Using Ethanol 99.9%, KOH, beef talow, I obtained BD (liquid at 25ºC, 77ºF) but glycerine separation not detectable. Any suggestion?. Read The JtF webpages about ethyl esters. If you don't get glycerine separation, it's not really biodiesel. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] democracy now: chavez to give the us cheap oil to poorfolks
Dear sir: if I were a poor american I would agree 100% with you, but I am a venezuelan and Mr. Chavez is giving away our wealth with out even consulting the venezuelan congress... besides he is planting the seed of class hate and class strugle in USA. Yours truly, F. - Original Message - From: Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:31 PM Subject: [Biofuel] democracy now: chavez to give the us cheap oil to poorfolks Did you all hear today's Democracy Now? Looks like the US is letting Chavez sell heating oil at a 40% reduction to poor-er folk in Brooklyn and Boston. I imagine the petro boys and the corporate world are squirming right now: this is the first time a major corporation (Citgo?) has VOLUNTARILY taken a profit cut! This is, in my view, a major accomplishment and may signal the beginning of the end for corporate-America... I really hope Chavez is around next year. KF ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat
Dear Mr. Duarte Nuno: one of the problems of obtaining BD from tallow is to have a consistent quality raw material. These days tallow is a little cheaper than a few years ago due the existing surplus because the BSE "mad cows" ilness. It is advisable to work with "soap quality" tallow, 0.25% FFA, and also you should get rid of any moist on it. Yours truly, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Duarte Nuno Januário To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat Hello everybody! Has anyone in this list ever tried to produced biodiesel from animal fat (tallow, for instance)? The process for vegetable oils is well known, but I dont seem to find much documentation on experiences on producing biodiesel from animal fat. From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? I would be very pleased if someone could help me on this problem. Any reports / papers or personal experiences are welcome! Thanks, Duarte Nuno ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat
Dear Mr. Duarte Nuno Januário: I would advise to manufacture separately the WVO BDand Tallow BD. For sure it is easier if you use methanol. Once you have the "biodiesels" I would add 80% WV BD + 20% Tallow BD, depending on temperature you want to use the blend. Good luck, Mr. F.J. Burgos From: Duarte Nuno Januário To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat Thank You Francisco I actually have a "tallow-problem-in-food-industry" to solve. I think that making biodiesel from it may be very nice and environmentally friendly solution. Im beginning to produce my own biodiesel, Im trying to do it with wvo first. Do you think that mixing tallow with vegetable oil could help to improve some of the bad properties of tallow? It would like to know some personal experiences about the proportions in which these two fats should be mixed. Duarte Nuno Januário - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat Dear Mr. Duarte Nuno: one of the problems of obtaining BD from tallow is to have a consistent quality raw material. These days tallow is a little cheaper than a few years ago due the existing surplus because the BSE "mad cows" ilness. It is advisable to work with "soap quality" tallow, 0.25% FFA, and also you should get rid of any moist on it. Yours truly, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Duarte Nuno Januário To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Producing biodiesel from animal fat Hello everybody! Has anyone in this list ever tried to produced biodiesel from animal fat (tallow, for instance)? The process for vegetable oils is well known, but I dont seem to find much documentation on experiences on producing biodiesel from animal fat. From what I know, the problems with animal fat are the long chains of the fatty acids / triglycerides and the high level of saturation. This means that biodiesel produced from animal fat will tend to condensate, especially at low temperatures. How can one solve this problem? I would be very pleased if someone could help me on this problem. Any reports / papers or personal experiences are welcome! Thanks, Duarte Nuno ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol
Dear Mr. Bob Allen: I agree 100% with you. Thanks again. Mr. F.j. Burgos - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol Francisco, there is still some 4 or 5 % missing here. My only concern is that the missing per centage is water. It says .2% water but it doesn't add up. If the missing mass is water, it won't work. Water makes soap, not biofuel. And with ethanol it is very, very important. If the remainder is a hydrocarbon denaturant, then it should be no problem as small amounts of hydrocarbons don't interfere. My recommendation is try it on a small scale and see if it works. good luck francisco j burgos wrote: Dear Mr. Bob Allen: Here are label indications ETHANOL 95% ABSOLUT ETHYL ALCOHOL Minimum Assay: 95% (V/V) Boiling point 78.5 ºC (br 0.5ºC) Density: 1 L = 0.79 kg MAXIMIM LIMITS OF IMPURITIES Acidity (acetic acid) 0.001% Alkalinity (NH3)0.0001% Carboxilic compounds (CO) 0.5% Color (APHA) 10 Isopropyl alcohol0.003 Methanol0.01 Residue on evaporation 0.001% Substances reducing (09 5m0.0003% H2O 0.2% Al 0.5% Thanks, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol Francisco, what is the remaining 4.8%? usually absolute alcohol means 100%. Is this denatured alcohol, if so what is the denaturant? francisco j burgos wrote: Dear sirs. I have a bottle labeled as: absolute ethanol 95%, and among other things declares Water 0,2%. Would it be good enough for beef tallow transesterification?. I plan to dry tallow at 120ºC during 15 minutes; use 50ºC; molar ratio ethanol: tallow 6:1; turbulent mix; tallow has 0,25% FFA so I will use 0,60% of KOH; reaction time: 60 minutes. Do you think that I would be sucessful and obtain biodiesel ?. Your advise will be the most apreciated. Thanks in advance. Mr. F.J. Burgos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol
Dear Mr Ken Provost: No, it does smell gasoline in it. My results have been a disaster. Thanks, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol On Nov 21, 2005, at 2:18 PM, francisco j burgos wrote: ETHANOL 95% ABSOLUT ETHYL ALCOHOL Isopropyl alcohol 0.003 Methanol 0.01 H2O 0.2% Interesting -- It's possible you have absolute ethanol denatured with gasoline -- what's called "fuel grade" ethanol in US. If true, the odor of gasoline at 5% would be unmistakable. In any case, it should be fine for biodiesel. -K ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol
Dear Mr. Bob Allen: Here are label indications ETHANOL 95% ABSOLUT ETHYL ALCOHOL Minimum Assay: 95% (V/V) Boiling point 78.5 ºC (br 0.5ºC) Density: 1 L = 0.79 kg MAXIMIM LIMITS OF IMPURITIES Acidity (acetic acid) 0.001% Alkalinity (NH3)0.0001% Carboxilic compounds (CO) 0.5% Color (APHA) 10 Isopropyl alcohol0.003 Methanol0.01 Residue on evaporation 0.001% Substances reducing (09 5m0.0003% H2O 0.2% Al 0.5% Thanks, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol Francisco, what is the remaining 4.8%? usually absolute alcohol means 100%. Is this denatured alcohol, if so what is the denaturant? francisco j burgos wrote: Dear sirs. I have a bottle labeled as: absolute ethanol 95%, and among other things declares Water 0,2%. Would it be good enough for beef tallow transesterification?. I plan to dry tallow at 120ºC during 15 minutes; use 50ºC; molar ratio ethanol: tallow 6:1; turbulent mix; tallow has 0,25% FFA so I will use 0,60% of KOH; reaction time: 60 minutes. Do you think that I would be sucessful and obtain biodiesel ?. Your advise will be the most apreciated. Thanks in advance. Mr. F.J. Burgos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.13.0/167 - Release Date: 11/11/2005 -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol
Dear Mr. Provost: Many thanks. Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol On Nov 17, 2005, at 4:19 AM, francisco j burgos wrote: The melting point for tallow is ca 40.5ºC (104,9ºF) so I thought that 50ºC (122ºC) for reaction would be effective, please comment. Start at 50 just to get everything into solution, but then let it cool down -- separation takes a long time, and cooler temperatures assist the process. Do check out the JtoF pages on ethyl esters -- the details are quite different than for methyl esters. -K ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol
Dear Mr. Ken Provost: Many thanks for your e-m and comments. The melting point for tallow is ca 40.5ºC (104,9ºF) so I thought that 50ºC (122ºC) for reaction would be cost effective, please comment. There are some people here that want toinclude ethyl tallowate in their petroleum based lubricants. Thanks in advance. Yours tryly, Mr, F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Absolute ethanol On Nov 16, 2005, at 5:32 PM, francisco j burgos wrote: I have a bottle labeled as: absolute ethanol 95%, and among other things declares Water 0,2%.Would it be good enough for beef tallow transesterification?.I plan to dry tallow at 120ºC during 15 minutes; use 50ºC; molar ratio ethanol: tallow 6:1; turbulent mix; tallow has 0,25% FFA so Iwill use 0,60% of KOH; reaction time: 60 minutes.Do you think that I would be successful and obtain biodiesel? The short answer is YES, you should eventually be able to use your ethanol, which is adequately dry, to make biodiesel from your tallow, which is adequately clean. Temp. of 50 sounds a little high for ethanol (the high temp. discourages separation), and I don't have my calculator handy to check your ratios, but the reactants sound acceptable. Reaction time may be as long as 12 hours before glycerine separation occurs. Have you already made biodiesel with this feedstock using methanol instead of ethanol? May I ask why you want to use ethanol? The process is much less reliable and requires considerably more KOH than with methanol -- including up to 20% methanol in the alcohol portion increases your chance of success markedly. The Journey to Forever website has some information about the use of ethanol for transesterification, and what aspects of the process need to be modified. Check it out thoroughly. -K ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Absolute ethanol
Dear sirs. I have a bottle labeled as: absolute ethanol 95%, and among other things declares Water 0,2%. Would it be good enough for beef tallow transesterification?. I plan to dry tallow at 120ºCduring 15 minutes; use 50ºC; molar ratio ethanol: tallow 6:1; turbulent mix; tallow has 0,25% FFA so Iwill use 0,60% of KOH; reaction time: 60 minutes. Do you think that I would be sucessful and obtain biodiesel ?. Your advise will be the most apreciated. Thanks in advance. Mr. F.J. Burgos. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD
Dear Mr. Tom Irwin: thanks for your prompt replay and valuable information. I am having a rough time in trying to transesterify tallow using ethanol and KOH, could you be kind enough and make me any process suggestions?. Ihave tryed: a tallow with ony 2.5% of FFA; 50ºC; 1% KOH; molar fraction basis , ethanol: tallow 6:1, up to 12 hours and obtained practically zero reaction ( none visible separation of glycerol out of gluk). Weird, dont you think?. Yours truly, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD Hello Mr. Burgos, Animal fat was a natural first choice as we produce a fair amount of beef here in Uruguay.From my reading on the JTF site, I found that it was a viable candidate and there are several papers available there for using it. It made sense from a chemical standpoint as fat is essentially all saturated hydrocarbon. With only single bonded carbons I knew that polymerization at temperature is not likely. I tried about 10 or 15 small batches and never had a single bad batch with methoxide as a cataylst. Then I shifted to ethoxide andhad a few successes and many failures. I shifted back to methoxide to check if my technique had gone bad. It hadn't.Istill got very good separation of glycerine and all washed batches passed density, wash, chemical, and motor testing. I'm currently working on waste vegetable oil which is extraordinarily variable here. Titration testing is a must do task with each new supplier and sometimes with each batch from each supplier but I get the material for free. For me this is methoxide only territory but I'm still very curious as to why I hadmostly failure butsome success with ethoxide. I probably go back to it once I'm producing enough for my home and farm needs. Tom Irwin From: francisco j burgos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:14:40 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD Dear Mr. Tom Irwin: Did you find by your own experience that tallow is a good raw material for producing biodiesel? or there is any bibliography that you can indicate me on the subject?. Your help will be the most appreciated, thanks in advance. Cordially, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD Hello Juan, I have found animal fat converts really easy to biodiesel. The main obstacle is that it is primarily a summer only fuel as it solidifies at about 10-14 C. A lot depends on what resources you have and your local climate. If you have a farm with animals that need feed, perhaps canola (non-GM variety) is a good candidate. It has a good oil yield per hectare and a reasonably low iodine value. You can feed the crushed seedcake to your livestock. If you are in a good sized town or city, waste vegetable oil is usually available from restaurants. It'squite variable and more difficult to convert than unused oil but you can usually get itfor just your transport costs. If you live in apoorer area then look for wild castor beans. They'rehave large yields and are generally free for the picking but you can't use the seedcake for animal feed. It composts rather well fora garden or farmsoil amendment. It takes a stronger stomach than mine to deal with the aroma. Castor oil was once used an an emetic to cause vomiting. Other I'm sure have their favorites. Tom Irwin From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:28:27 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BDFree is the best oil to use ;-)Juan B wrote: Hello Everyone, I Would like to know what is the best vegetable oil that can be use to get the most biodiesel ? or it would be better to get animal fat?I looked at the tables in the website but I did not completely understand . thanksJuan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD
Dear Mr. Tom Irwin: Did you find by your own experience that tallow is a good raw material for producing biodiesel? or there is any bibliography that you can indicate me on the subject?. Your help will be the most appreciated, thanks in advance. Cordially, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BD Hello Juan, I have found animal fat converts really easy to biodiesel. The main obstacle is that it is primarily a summer only fuel as it solidifies at about 10-14 C. A lot depends on what resources you have and your local climate. If you have a farm with animals that need feed, perhaps canola (non-GM variety) is a good candidate. It has a good oil yield per hectare and a reasonably low iodine value. You can feed the crushed seedcake to your livestock. If you are in a good sized town or city, waste vegetable oil is usually available from restaurants. It'squite variable and more difficult to convert than unused oil but you can usually get itfor just your transport costs. If you live in apoorer area then look for wild castor beans. They'rehave large yields and are generally free for the picking but you can't use the seedcake for animal feed. It composts rather well fora garden or farmsoil amendment. It takes a stronger stomach than mine to deal with the aroma. Castor oil was once used an an emetic to cause vomiting. Other I'm sure have their favorites. Tom Irwin From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:28:27 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] best oil to make BDFree is the best oil to use ;-)Juan B wrote: Hello Everyone, I Would like to know what is the best vegetable oil that can be use to get the most biodiesel ? or it would be better to get animal fat?I looked at the tables in the website but I did not completely understand . thanksJuan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...
Dear Mr. Mike Weaver: ¡Wellcome to the club!!!... I lived and got my master´s degree in Fayetteville, Ark. long time ago, back in 1973. I allways desidered to meet an american with at least some afinity with my line of thought. RSVP Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise... Outside of my little nest here on the East Coast I feel like a stranger in my own land. I go to the Midwest to visit family and I cannot and do not talk to them about politics.. I have come to realize, after 40 years, that they won't and probably can't change. I prize family above rhetoric. I have finally learned it is better, in some cases to be happy than to be right. OTOH, I did not live thru what they did: WWII, most of them have been working since they could walk, and did not have the benefits I have had.My father left Arkansas in his teens, got a degree, was drafted and got a PhD. He moved East and saw to it that his childred all went to college and grad school. We have all travelled overseas and in some cases lived and/or worked in the 3rd world. As Mark Twain said: nothing is as deadly to prejudice as travel.I have to agree with pretty much everything you say. Except, we have no real foreign policy, nor do we really have an energy policy. We have a bully policy.No wonder 90% or the world is mad at us. I don't blame them.OTOH, the French are not without warts - look at West Africa. I am also interested to see what happens with Western Europe with regards to their economies.The Western European countries are belatedly realizing you can't just conjure an economy. You have to have money before you can have generous social programs. This what Germany and France are wrestling with now. I personally think a realistic economic base - fewer regulations in some cases - in France it's pratically illegal to start a small business, and God help you if you fail - you can expect to investigated for fraud no matter what happened. Complain about the USll you want but you can start a business w/o fear of gaol. This one of the thing we do have to offer as a model for other countries.This country has a ways to go in terms of social programs. I still can't believe we don't have SOME form of national health. The current system is collapsing. My sister is a doctor and I can tell you the current program is failing. I also believe that we need some form child care - if both parents must work there must be a safe place for their children. Europe is miles ahead of us here.I rattle on...MikeHakan Falk wrote: Mike, Ugly is your addition and I love Americans, the only thing that I do not like is their foreign policies, energy policies. and the political/economy corruption by the US corporations. By the way, I also like the French. My daughter in law and grandchildren are French. Hakan At 23:21 14/10/2005, you wrote: !! What about us ugly Americans? Hakan Falk wrote: I really like this list and its members, including the French and Canadian French. LOL It is fun with the sparks and the humor. Hakan At 20:52 14/10/2005, you wrote: I generally take a shower once a month whether I need it or not. (in the summer of course, in the winter we can take snow baths every day) PS for all you foreigners. underwear can be recycled four times (inside out, back and front) this is of course common sense to Canadians but I am sensitive to the international nature of this list. Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: Mike Weaver a écrit : M. Falk: As a person with (minor) French ancestry, I am shocked and offended at your suggestion that the French do not bathe regularly. I challenge you to defend yourself in a duel of honor. Shampoo at fifty yards, the first one to achieve a glossy sheen to be declared the winner. I name as my seconds Vidal Sasoon and the Breck girl. If the first duel is not satisfactory, we will rinse and repeat. Prepare to meet your suds. M. Weaver M. Weaver, I am very grateful of your sollicitude, but be careful, scandinavians are famous for their weapons of mass desinfection. They could invite you into a steam bath until you've been cooked, before roll you in snow or dive in icy water. None a civilized gentleman as you surely are can resist such a barbarian treatment. And since Volvo refused to married Renault, we are in bad t(h)erms. M. Desprez ( with half of my ancestry from Normandy, so Hakan is maybe a cousin of mine) ___ Biofuel mailing list mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] TEFC Electric Motor Sizing
Dear Mr. Dunn: certainly you are not the only one that can make good use of such tables or calculations. Hope some body can share info... Yours truly, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] TEFC Electric Motor Sizing Hi all, Still gathering my parts for my processor. I found a 1 inch clear water pump that I'm going to use only for transferring the oil. I don't know if anyone has a Habitat for Humanity store near them but, they always have a bunch of motors and pumps at the one near me. Unfortunately, I can't find any used TEFC motors. I've resigned to buying a new TEFC motor for my stir processor. I'm going to be using a 55 gallon drum as my reactor. Looking at some of Todd Swearingen's diagrams and others, I think I should be able to get away with a 1/4 HP motor. A 1/3 HP motor is available locally but, I don't want to waste any energy or money. Anyone have any guidelines on motor sizes based on processing capacity? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] glycerol and aerobic digester
Dear sir: would it be of any good to add glycerol to an aerobic digester?. Thanks in advance, F-J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] glycerol Glycerol ferments extremely well in the presence of botulimum toxin. Also, someone mentioned recently that a fractious addition of glycerol to an anaerobic digester increased its output. Todd Swearingen Jason and Katie wrote: hi all, i have been reading the JtF pages once again, and i noticed a statement that glycerol was a 'simple sugar'. if this is true, could it be used in ethanol production, or is the harsh chemical content too high for yeast, even after separating and reclamation? what kind of treatment would be needed to combine/break down this sugar into yeast-food if it is suitable? thx, jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/93 - Release Date: 9/8/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] glycerol and aerobic digester
Dear Mr. Addison: Thanks a lot. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] glycerol and aerobic digester Dear sir: would it be of any good to add glycerol to an aerobic digester?. Thanks in advance, F-J. Burgos See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html#biogas Glycerine and biogas Best wishes Keith - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] glycerol Glycerol ferments extremely well in the presence of botulimum toxin. Also, someone mentioned recently that a fractious addition of glycerol to an anaerobic digester increased its output. Todd Swearingen Jason and Katie wrote: hi all, i have been reading the JtF pages once again, and i noticed a statement that glycerol was a 'simple sugar'. if this is true, could it be used in ethanol production, or is the harsh chemical content too high for yeast, even after separating and reclamation? what kind of treatment would be needed to combine/break down this sugar into yeast-food if it is suitable? thx, jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fw: ethanol
- Original Message - From: "Ken Provost" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method - Original Message ----- From: francisco j burgos To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:57 AM Subject: ethanol Attention: Mr. Tom Irwin Dear Mr. Irwin: It would be great to exchange experiences about biodiesel using ethanol and KOH. In my case I tryed to transesterify beef tallow... I still can not separate glycerine from biodiesel. Hint from some friend of mine: Add (20% with respect to lippid employed)a hot and saturated KCl solution to promote splitting, it has to do with a phenomena called "common ion". Best wishes, Mr. F.J. Burgos ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel
Dear Mr.(Ms) Cris Davidson: Thanks for sharing the info. Pls look in the Web for: Low-Pressure Hydrogenolysis of Glicerol to Propylene Glicol. Available on line at: .sciencedirect.com Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: chris davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 1:17 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel From: http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/ Columbia, Missouri [RenewableEnergyAccess.com] - 2005-08-18 - In addition to topping off your gas tank with biodiesel, a new advance could let you fill your vehicle's cooling system with a biomass-derived antifreeze. A new process developed at the University of Missouri-Columbia (MU) creates a valuable secondary product from the biodiesel manufacturing process that makes the production cycle both profitable and affordable. Galen Suppes, chief science officer of the MU-based Renewable Alternatives, developed a process for converting glycerin, a byproduct of the biodiesel production process, into propylene glycol, which can be used as nontoxic antifreeze for automobiles. Suppes said the new propylene glycol product will meet every performance standard, is made from domestic soybeans and is nontoxic. Suppes said this technology can reduce the cost of biodiesel production by as much as $0.40 per gallon of biodiesel. The market for propylene glycol already is established, with a billion pounds produced a year. The price of propylene glycol is quite high while glycerin's price is low, so based on the low cost of feed stock and high value of propylene glycol, the process appears to be most profitable, Suppes said. The consumers want antifreeze that is both renewable and made from biomass rather than petroleum from which propylene glycol currently is produced. The creation of a valuable secondary product could help mainstream the use of biodiesel. In 2004, biodiesel producers sold 30 million gallons of fuel, up from 500,000 gallons in 1999. It's still, however, a relatively niche fuel. At best, right now biodiesel production is only part of the solution, Suppes said. Current biodiesel production in the United States is about 0.03 billion gallons per year as compared to distillate fuel oil consumption of 57 billion gallons per year. Renewable Alternatives is currently licensing this technology to three biodiesel plants. The National Science Foundation and Missouri Soybean Farmers are helping to fund the research. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] titanium
Dear Mr. Farmer: seems a good idea. Keep searching, wish you good luck. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] titanium Just wondering if anyone had any input. I have been thinking about Biodiesel, and I came across a mosquito trap at the hardware store that uses propaine run across titanium to crack the hydrocarbons down to CO2 and attracting mosquitos. I was wondering if the same theory could be used to make biodiesel? Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Jeremy Farmer JBF Holdings LLC 2601 Lazy Hollow #603 Houston, Texas 77063 832-414-4217 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars?
Robert Rabello Flextek can be used in most repeat in most engines not all of them. Instead increasing compression ratio it changes ignition timing. Potential problems are fuel pump "erosion" type unless changed to typical alcohol fuel pump and winter time ignition. This part is solved by using a small reservoir of gasoline using an small electric pump like the one used to flush water to clean the windshield. Most of the elastomer are compatible with alcohol so low probability in having problems in here. Very best for all of us. Chico robert luis rabello wrote: Ryan Hall wrote: Robert, I have seen several people mention E 100 on this list lately. I personally want to buy a diesel and produce bio diesel, but I drive EFI gasoline cars right now. The flextek device offers great promise for me to "do my part" now without waiting until I buy my Jetta. That's the promise. I don't know if the technology will deliver, but it seems like an elegant solution to the problem of modifying EFI engines to run on ethanol. Personally, I would still boost the compression ratio or run forced induction, as I do with my truck. There's no sense in running 105 octane fuel in an engine designed for low grade pump gas. Nonetheless, the Flextek system should work on an engine that is unmodified. My question is, where do you get E100. Is this available at the pumps, or is it something you would need to get elsewhere. A city about 45 miles from where I live just got E85, but I have heard nothing of E100. If I have the choice, I can just fill up on E85 every time I go there (usually about 1-2 times/week.) Fuel stations in Brasil have been selling E 100 for many years now, but that would be a long way for you and I to drive for a fill up, don't you think? E 85, which is available in some American states, is likely your best option, unless you want to get a BATF permit and distill your own ethanol. I wish I could do that here in Canada! robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars?
I forgot to inform Flextek will work in most _*injected*_ engines FRANCISCO wrote: Robert Rabello Flextek can be used in most repeat in _*most*_ engines not all of them. Instead increasing compression ratio it changes ignition timing. Potential problems are fuel pump erosion type unless changed to typical alcohol fuel pump and winter time ignition. This part is solved by using a small reservoir of gasoline using an small electric pump like the one used to flush water to clean the windshield. Most of the elastomer are compatible with alcohol so low probability in having problems in here. Very best for all of us. Chico robert luis rabello wrote: Ryan Hall wrote: Robert, I have seen several people mention E 100 on this list lately. I personally want to buy a diesel and produce bio diesel, but I drive EFI gasoline cars right now. The flextek device offers great promise for me to do my part now without waiting until I buy my Jetta. That's the promise. I don't know if the technology will deliver, but it seems like an elegant solution to the problem of modifying EFI engines to run on ethanol. Personally, I would still boost the compression ratio or run forced induction, as I do with my truck. There's no sense in running 105 octane fuel in an engine designed for low grade pump gas. Nonetheless, the Flextek system should work on an engine that is unmodified. My question is, where do you get E100. Is this available at the pumps, or is it something you would need to get elsewhere. A city about 45 miles from where I live just got E85, but I have heard nothing of E100. If I have the choice, I can just fill up on E85 every time I go there (usually about 1-2 times/week.) Fuel stations in Brasil have been selling E 100 for many years now, but that would be a long way for you and I to drive for a fill up, don't you think? E 85, which is available in some American states, is likely your best option, unless you want to get a BATF permit and distill your own ethanol. I wish I could do that here in Canada! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] submissin
Emeka What is the car manufacturer model mfg. year and engine type ? Chico emeka ugoala wrote: dear sir, Re: Will Brazilian Flex Fuel Device work on American Cars? Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Acid Heterogeneous Catalyst and FFA esterification
Dear Mr. Addison: Lets suppose that an oil/fat with a high content of Free Fatty Acids ( 15%) is available, is it true that FFA present in it can be esterifyed using an acid (H2SO4) as catalyst in conjunction with the chosen alcohol, plus heat, stirring, etc...? Assuming that esterification of FFA is achieved... Under such treatment I wonder what may happen to the oil/fat that is also present, could you please elaborate on it?. Thanks in advance, Francisco ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Animal Fat
Hi you all The investors team have defined we will start our industrial biodiesel production and fuel production using animal fat. I have gone thru several sources and found very litllte info and literature about production strating from animal fat. Can you folks help me on this?? Very best Chico Ramos ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] German biodiesel sensor
Very Best for us Chico Keith Addison wrote: Germany's First national report on the implementation of Directive 2003/30/EC [the EC biofuels directive] of 8 May 2005 on the promotion of the use of biofuels or other renewable fuels for transport says, among other things, this: There is particular interest in the environmental evaluation of biodiesel. The IFEU Institute in Heidelberg carried out an Environmental comparison between RME and rape oil in the framework of two projects. To reduce exhaust emissions when using biodiesel, a project was carried out to develop a rapeseed methyl ester biodiesel sensor. The sensor, which has now been developed, enables vehicles which use biodiesel to comply with the EURO 4 exhaust standard which applies from 2005. Does anybody know any more about this rapeseed methyl ester biodiesel sensor? Are cars using it yet in Germany, or elsewhere? Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Report
Bob and Jan Woud youpls be kind anough to supply me the date if and when available Thnak you in advance and very best for us Chico Ramos bob allen wrote: Jan, I can see how it should be possible, but I don't know of a source for procedure. I have the good fortune if a well outfitted lab so I can determine the same in other ways. It shouldn't be hard to simply mix known amounts of biodiesel and unreacted oil, determine the viscosity of the mixtures and prepare a standard curve for comparison to an unknown. Jan Warnqvist wrote: Hi Bob and Keith. I had a report on my computer suggesting a method to establish reaction yield of biodiesel by the viscosity of the origin oil compared to the biodiesel, but the file was damaged and could not be opened. Does anyone from you know where to find it on the web ? Best rgrds Jan Warnqvist +46 554 201 89 + 46 70 499 38 45 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: You think gas is expensive?]
This is funny, ture and should worry all of us Very best Chico Think a gallon of gas is expensive? This makes one think, and also puts things in perspective. Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 $10.32 per gallon Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19 ...$9.52 per gallon Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 ... $10.17 per gallon Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 . $10.00 per gallon Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 . $33.60 per gallon Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35 $178.13 per gallon Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 . $123.20 per gallon Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 . .. $25.42 per gallon Scope 1.5 oz $0.99 ...$84.48 per gallon And this is the REAL KICKER... Evian water 9 oz $1.49..$21.19 per gallon?! $21.19 for WATER - and the buyers don't even know the source. (Evian spelled backwards is Naive.) Subject: you think gas is expensive? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:01:31 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Think a gallon of gas is expensive? This makes one think, and also puts things in perspective. Diet Snapple 16 oz $1.29 $10.32 per gallon Lipton Ice Tea 16 oz $1.19 ...$9.52 per gallon Gatorade 20 oz $1.59 ... $10.17 per gallon Ocean Spray 16 oz $1.25 . $10.00 per gallon Brake Fluid 12 oz $3.15 . $33.60 per gallon Vick's Nyquil 6 oz $8.35 $178.13 per gallon Pepto Bismol 4 oz $3.85 . $123.20 per gallon Whiteout 7 oz $1.39 . .. $25.42 per gallon Scope 1.5 oz $0.99 ...$84.48 per gallon And this is the REAL KICKER... Evian water 9 oz $1.49..$21.19 per gallon?! $21.19 for WATER - and the buyers don't even know the source. (Evian spelled backwards is Naive.) So, the next time you're at the pump, be glad your car doesn't run on water, Scope, or Whiteout, or God forbid Pepto Bismal or Nyquil. Just a little humor to help ease the pain of your next trip to the pump... And - If you don't pass this along to at least one person, your nose will fall off. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.2 - Release Date: 4/5/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel and Marine applications
Will dliver a presentation to local Navy HQ on biodiesel and its marine applications I kindly request contributions and will return to you folks final presentation, Tahnk you in advance for your help Very Best for all of us ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Speaking of glop
just for the records. Do you know if the beef lard ( tallow?) you used contained protein (meat)?. If so, how much (%)?. Tks, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Speaking of glop Hi All, After many successful batches made from vegetable oil ( both unused and heavily used) I decided it was time to try all beef lard. Perhaps I shouldn«t have used this method but I did anyway. I used Alex Kacs first stage (of two) method. After liquifying the lard, I added the required 1 ml of concentrated (98%) sulfuric acid at 35-37 degrees centigrade. While it was all stirring for the required time period, somewhere around the 20 minute mark it nearly all solidified. I checked the temperature. It was still within the required range. I ramped up the heat to about 55 degrees C. and it all liquified. Did I read something wrong or do something wrong? I wasn«t expecting solidification until I turned off the heat. I let it sit overnight, reheated to 55 C. the next day and performed the second stage base transesterification. It seemed to go well. I got good separation but upon washing I got the dreaded white layer (which I think is unreacted lard) between the BioD and the water later. Do I need to use more than 1 ml of sulfuric acid because I«m using all lard? Now Keith, I have been reading the archives but I seem to have missed something. Thanks in advance, Tom Irwin -Original Message- From: Keith Addison To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 9/04/05 6:24 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] got glop (yup) Hi Derick, welcome Hi all I am new to this forum so if I step on some toes let me know. There are rules, which the Welcome message you were sent referred to: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20040906/05.html They're sensible enough, you shouldn't have any problems. I have been looking into the biodiesal for a few months now and there has been a lot of good articles. I have been printing them and studying them. I have now have a processing system I have built and it professional looking if I do say so. I got some feed stock from the local from the local slop shop. (Ill never eat there again. Yuck) No, don't eat there! What I did. First try transesterfication Titration? How did you go about it? I got a reading of 9 I added the 3.5 to a total of 12.5 grams per liter. Mixed the methoxide 125 mil 125ml of methanol per litre of oil? Not nearly enough - the process uses about that amount (depending on the oil), but it needs an excess to push it towards completion, particularly with high FFA oils like the stuff you've found. Use 200ml per litre, at least, 220 would be better for that stuff, or even 250. dewatered the oil after cooling added the methoxide shook it over and over. Looked ok by what I have read but as it cooled It got thicker and thicker until a solid plastic bottle was shaming me. So back to the drawing board I found that the alcohol I used for testing was not pure only 70% so off to the store bought 99% the best available figured I would get a new red devil caustic soda just because it might do better. The next test came out to 11.25 + 3.5 = 14.5 dewatered the oil to the point of almost burning it. Added the methoxide shook for some time let it set and shook it more over and over this time I left it in a bucket of hot tap water so it wouldn't jell. After a few hours went back to -- glop slop glop. What am I doing wrong? I have read that more methanol is needed to push it over the edge. Is the extra methanol added to the methoxide or to the oil? Before the methoxide or after? Your main problem is that you're using very poor quality WVO. Very few newbies will have any luck trying to use such high titration oil. Even experienced biodieselers will have failures with 11.25 titration WVO, and even when they succeed the yield will be poor. You shouldn't start with WVO anyway, Start here, with virgin oil: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Then you'll know what to expect. When you're familiar with that, move on to WVO, but, at least at first, find better oil! Something titrating at say 3.5ml or less would be more suitable for a novice. Give this whole page (two pages and more, with the links) a thorough read: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Make your own biodiesel Blenders are better than shaking it up in a bottle, or make one of these: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor7.html Test-batch mini-processor Good luck! Let us know how you fare. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
[Biofuel] Castor beens and oil
We are developping a project to replace fossil fuel ( about 12 million gallons per year ) by vegetable oil at 1 to1 ratio . The customer is a paper industry. We will have small farmers planting castor to begin with and later we will move to jatropha when we domesticate it. We will press and extract the oil then burn it in the furnace. The problem we will face in the field is odor as when we press castor beens a _*very bad smell*_ just come out( we found that on our lab/bench test). As of know we do not want a individual solution ( masks with activated carbon ) but an industrial operational solution. Does any one had experienced same thing with castor??? If so is there any solution and if so what is it and how do we implement it I thank you in advance for your cooperation. Very best for us Chico ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Mobil Biodiesel Processor
Please send us plans when you get mobil unit. Tks, Francisco - Original Message - From: Craig Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mobil Biodiesel Processor Hello Francisco, Hopefully Blue Sun will help out, it would help in two ways; by promoting biodiesel and their company. If I can't get a big corp. to help then I will go with someone smaller and promote their processor! Either way I am going to educate the masses on the fact that there is alternatives. - Original Message - From: francisco j burgosmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mobil Biodiesel Processor Dear Mr. Harris: Excellent idea...!!!. Pls keep in touch. Francisco. - Original Message - From: Craig Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processor I am looking for a processor that I can pull around the Denver area on a trailer promoting biodiesel! Craig Harris ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Mobil Biodiesel Processor
Excellent idea...!!!. Pls keep in touch. Francisco. - Original Message - From: Craig Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processor I am looking for a processor that I can pull around the Denver area on a trailer promoting biodiesel! Craig Harris ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ionol
Thanks, very interesting. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: FRANCISCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Ionol Interesting and maybe useful. Interessante e talvez possa ser util http://www.all4engineers.com/index.php;sid=48089533142232989e0290525575934/site=a4e/lng=en/do=show/alloc=33/id=74 VEry Best for us. O melhro para ns Chico Ramos ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Uses of glycerin
the digester where glycerin is feed is it an aerobious(works in presence of air) digester or an anaerobious(works without air presence) digester?. What is the glycerin feed rate to the digester?. Thanks in advance, Francisco - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Uses of glycerin Forwarded message from a Journey to Forever reader. Best wishes Keith Hello, I work at a wastewater treatment plant and I was doing a search on glycerin and biofuels and came across your website. It's has good information thanks. Here's another use of glycerin: Our treatment is accepting the glycerin from a biofuel producer, we feed it to our digesters, slowly very slowly. The addition of glycerin has dramatically increased our gas production, that we run all three engines that produce electricity for our plant and occasionally need to flare off the excess methane (we have 4 flares). This might be of interest to your readers that use digestion for electricity. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Ionol
http://www.all4engineers.com/index.php;sid=48089533142232989e0290525575934/site=a4e/lng=en/do=show/alloc=33/id=74 VEry Best for us. O melhro para ns Chico Ramos ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Need advicer on Energy
Dear Mr. Valcke: Thanks for your kind offer... By the way, could you please indicate me an alternate use for Methyl Tallowate (Methyl ester or monoalkyl ester) other than being used as fuel (Biodiesel)?. Thanks, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Hans Valcke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Need advicer on Energy Helen Renold, I read about your alternative energies in the Swiss. Well I'm a Belgium person who works in the alternative energie, such as solar, pv, wkk, pellet and much more. When you want to contact me, my adress is Hans Valcke Broekstraat 16 3545 Zelem Belgium Tel 0032 475 28 72 29 mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hans Valcke - Original Message - From: Helen Renold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 4:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Need advicer on Energy Dear Keith and list, My name is Helen Renold and I'm writing from Switzerland on behalf of a group (ca. 35 people) who have begun to get together as a community trying to be self sufficient as far as possible. We have among us various professions and skills by which we try to support each other's needs independent of the government. As I said we try to do this as much as possible within our financial limitations. But we have spent about a year and a half being sensitised to the world economic and political situation through various medias and discussions and research. One of our main goals is to help each other get out of our debts. And one of our main concerns has been alternative energies. This is one area where we do not have much expertise at all. We have looked into free energy systems that we've heard and read a lot about but there doesn't seem to be much available nor much alternative energy system that is really cost efficient. Perhaps we have not looked in the right places. I have tried to keep up with this list for about a year but I'm still not anywhere near understanding the possibilities that are actually available. However, we are willing to get organised and be committed to work and maintain any system of energy that can keep us independent of the grid as much as possible. We are looking for someone near us (Switzerland) who would take the time to advise and show us practical alternatives if there are really any. We meet collectively to discuss and study once a month. It would be great to have someone with the expertise present a lecture on alternative energies. It would be even better if we could experience some demonstrations too. Is there anyone available from this list? I look forward to receiving any advise on this matter. Thank you, Helen Renold __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Transesterification versus solvent/filtering methods
I wonder if is it possible to obtain a good Biodiesel using a blend of 50% Biodiesel + 50% Stoddard solvent. Any one knows Stoddard solvent price?. Are there different kinds of Stoddard solvent?. Thanks in advance, Francisco. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Transesterification versus solvent/filtering methods Hello Chris Been having a look over www.bio-power.co.uk. The process they are using is based on adding solvents and filtering settling the oils into a product suitable for road fuel. The process seems to produce little waste and uses no dangerous chemicals. What are your views on this method as oppose to transesterification? This method does at first glance have its appeals but I am wondering about possible disadvantages. Hm, yes. John Nicholson's operation. This is what it says about it at our website: ... A variation on this theme is adding a solvent to the veg oil to lower the viscosity -- usually 3% white spirit (a.k.a. mineral turpentine, Stoddard solvent, turpentine substitute). This raised a lot of interest after it was publicized on a British TV program -- just add a spoonful. It also raised a lot of scepticism: 'experimental' at best was the view of experienced SVO'ers, and steer well clear unless you have a 5-cyl IDI Mercedes (in which case you don't even need the white spirit). We agree. Work on blends of SVO with other solvents, such as butanol and ethanol, is still experimental. By all means go ahead and experiment, but there are no guarantees. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#1mixing The experienced SVO'ers were Biofuel list members, and some of them were much ruder than that about it. I haven't followed it closely (not very interested), but we do get a lot of input and feedbck and I think if there'd been some revolutionary development I'd probably have heard of it. However, have a look at Darren's site, which will have a more thorough and up-to-date treatment of it: Vegetable Oil as a Fuel by Darren Hill -- book-length online report, mainly UK-based: The Diesel Engine, Theory of Vegetable Oil Use as a Fuel, Engine suitability, Heating the Oil, Biodiesel, Micro Emulsions and Blends, Vegetable Oil Engine Design, Vegetable Oil Furnaces and Heaters, Oil Types and Filtering, Taxation, Implications of Vegetable Oil Fuel Use, Sources. Darren welcomes contributions from users. http://www.vegburner.co.uk/report.html Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
Dear Mr. Swearingen: many, many thanks for your prompt replay and valuable information. Yes, I agree with you... in my case I am willing to pay the fair price for pertinent plans. By the way, my PC ought to have a problem since can not Full-size image. Yours truly, Francisco J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Francisco, People who have detailed plans for biorefineries in their possession have either paid for their copies (which probably means they legally aren't allowed to distribute them beyond their own use) or have sweated bullets and watched their bank account dwindle developing and having them drawn out. I don't know where you're going to find anyone who's willing to just hand you a set of detailed plans out of the kindness of their heart. On the other hand, you can find a schematic of what is required to manufacture biodiesel in a responsible, cradle-to-grave fashion on the internet.at http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html The rest is up to your level of experience with biodiesel and your imagination. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Dear pals: could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- industrial (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?. Thanks, Francisco J. burgos ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
thanks again. My stepdoughter came in my asistance and said the same magic words, kids are very good in this business. Tks. Francisco - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Francisco, Hit the Full Size hot link. After it loads, drag the mouse over the image. A small icon should pop up if you're using a recent version of Windoze Explorer. Click on it and the image should appear full size. Or just go to View on the toolbar and hit View Fullscreen. Voila!!! Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Attention: Mr.Todd Swearingen Dear Mr. Swearingen: many, many thanks for your prompt replay and valuable information. Yes, I agree with you... in my case I am willing to pay the fair price for pertinent plans. By the way, my PC ought to have a problem since can not Full-size image. Yours truly, Francisco J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Francisco, People who have detailed plans for biorefineries in their possession have either paid for their copies (which probably means they legally aren't allowed to distribute them beyond their own use) or have sweated bullets and watched their bank account dwindle developing and having them drawn out. I don't know where you're going to find anyone who's willing to just hand you a set of detailed plans out of the kindness of their heart. On the other hand, you can find a schematic of what is required to manufacture biodiesel in a responsible, cradle-to-grave fashion on the internet.at http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html The rest is up to your level of experience with biodiesel and your imagination. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization Dear pals: could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- industrial (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?. Thanks, Francisco J. burgos -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biorefinary ,Big blues and Globalization
could you please indicate me where I can find a set of detailed plans, isometric drawings, etc., that allow any one in building up a semi- industrial (165 gallon/ batch) biodiesel production unit?. Thanks, Francisco J. burgos
Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst
I happen to have access to fat/oil from a tannery fat trap, which of course contains certain amount of chrome salts... Would it be reasonable to think that during acid esterification the chrome would become water soluble and then can be eliminated futherly when the biodiesel obtained via basic esterification is water washed?. So, assumming that produced biodiesel would contains minute amount of chrome, can it be used legally as fuel?. Are there any limits for chrome content in biodiesel?. Thanks, Francisco - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Hello Iwan Dear, I have an laboratorium experiment about biodiesel from crude palm oil (CPO). my CPO have high FFA (acid value 46) There was quite a lot of discussion of processing CPO with high FFA content a while ago at the Biofuels-biz list (since closed, its functions taken over by the Biofuel list). The list archives is still available - do a search here for Allen: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ Information Archive at NNYTech Check messages titled High FFA oils and hi ffa feed stocks. first, I try to remove the FFA with esterification. I used cation exchanger (Amberlite) as catalyst. its succes to reduce the acid value from 46 to 1.3. then, transesterified using KOH as catalyst. after this reaction, I wash the ester using warm water. but, I found a lot of soap when I mix the ester with water. I can't explain why, may somebody help me? It would help if you'd explain exactly what you did and what results you got when you mixed it with water - how did you mix it? What washing process did you use? Best wishes Keith Regards, Iwan Prawito ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst
could you please indicate Amberlite type you used?. Did you removed water in as much it was formed?. Could you describe the reactor you used, specially how you placed the catalyst?. Many thanks in advance, Francisco - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Iwan, Please take a moment to quantify/describe and identify the location of what you perceive to be a lot of soap. - Original Message - From: Iwan Prawito [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Dear, I have an laboratorium experiment about biodiesel from crude palm oil (CPO). my CPO have high FFA (acid value 46) first, I try to remove the FFA with esterification. I used cation exchanger (Amberlite) as catalyst. its succes to reduce the acid value from 46 to 1.3. then, transesterified using KOH as catalyst. after this reaction, I wash the ester using warm water. but, I found a lot of soap when I mix the ester with water. I can't explain why, may somebody help me? Regards, Iwan Prawito - Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] WVO esterification with heterogeneous catalyst
Senior Engineer Engineering Center BPPT Indonesia Dear Mr. Rahmadi: 1.- Do you estimate that is theoretically correct to say that after acid esterification (using heterogeneous catalyst) the remaining oils and fats can be incorporated into feed rations formulation?. 2.- Could you please tell me: Once the excess of methyl alcohol has been removed, is there any industrial technique (besides molecular distillation) that allows separation of methyl esters from mon-di-tri-glycerides (oils fats)?. Thanks in advance, Mr. F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Arie Rahmadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Dear Iwan, In my opinion, you got soap because significant FFA still present in the CPO. You may either do the following two alternatives: 1. You may remove the free fatty acid in Crude Palm Oil by reacting with NaOH and separate the soap using a centrifuge, do the transesterification reaction and wash the products with warm water to remove glycerol, some methanol and NaOH. You may use physical process of deacidification of CPO, but I don't think it will be suitable for a lab scale experiment as it needs high vacuum and relatively high temperature of operation and off course availability of heating media such as steam or heating oil. 2. You may carry out esterification of Free fatty acid using Acid Catalyst such as H2SO4, followed by Transesterification of triglycerides in CPO using base catalyst. The rest, you may do the usual step by washing the products with warm water and recover methanol using distillation and further purification of your glycerol. We have tried the method in our pilot plant (1.5 tonnes per day) in PUSPITEK Serpong Indonesia, and it works well for the CPO feed stock that characteised by high FFA content. I will leave it up to you the exact amount of catalysts and methanol . Good Luck, Arie Rahmadi Senior Engineer Engineering Center BPPT Indonesia - Original Message - From: Iwan Prawito [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 10:22 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Pre transesterification with heterogen catalyst Dear, I have an laboratorium experiment about biodiesel from crude palm oil (CPO). my CPO have high FFA (acid value 46) first, I try to remove the FFA with esterification. I used cation exchanger (Amberlite) as catalyst. its succes to reduce the acid value from 46 to 1.3. then, transesterified using KOH as catalyst. after this reaction, I wash the ester using warm water. but, I found a lot of soap when I mix the ester with water. I can't explain why, may somebody help me? Regards, Iwan Prawito - Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives
I do not know specific additive for biodiesel. considering similarities between petrodiesel and biodiesel i strongly suggest you contant Lubrizol in Europe. Also strongly suggest you contact Infinium ( former Paramins form Exxon). Those two companies they have the state of the art of any lubes and fuels additives. Very Best for us Chico Eu no sei se h um aditivo especifico para o biodiesel. Considerando as similaridades entre o petrodiesel e o biodiesel sugiro fortemente que voce contacte a Lubrizol na Europa. Tambm sugiro fortemenete que voce contacte a Infinium ( ex Paramins from Exxon ). Essas duas companhias detem tecnologia no estado de arte de aditivos para serem usados em lubrificantes e combustveis. O melhor para ns. Chico Nuno Alegria - MT Energia wrote: Hi Does anyone knows any additives for use with biodiesel to low CFPP in winter? Where can we buy it in Europe? Thanks, -- Nuno Alegria ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] paper chromatography
your news are very interesting, could you please indicate where I can get copy of the method of thin Layer Chromatography for the biodiesel quality analysis ?. Thanks, F.J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:28 AM Subject: [Biofuel] paper chromatography I have a student who is studying biodiesel as his chemistry project. We have located a method of thin Layer Chromatography for the quality analysis but he also wants to try paper chromatography. We ahve tried some solvents but they only work for the glycerides layer. Does anyone have a method that works for paper chromatography. regards Liz Palmer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] etanol:gasoline ratio
Arttu is doing the precise and exact calculation as you said and I over simplified. Conventional way in conducting the cost caluculation of fossil fuel takes in to consideration part of the life cycle the part concerned with the fuels and lubes manufacturers investment. The society pays the rest of the bill meaning environmental cost and other indirect costs, ther included terrorism. I understand Peggys's logic as my background is on Chem, and Chem. Eng. However the inefficiency is not on the gasoline part but on the engine part. I wish to stress is if 20% of the fuel is not burned this is an engine inefficency as current engines do use a lot of electronics and software to burn fuel properly. Flex fuels engines do exactly the opposite burns gasoline better than alcohol. Niels I sent you an email on PVT did you get it? Very best for all of us. Chico Niels Ans¿ wrote: Thanks Peggy. Both you, Chico and Arttu agree that the heating value of 1 litre ethanol equals 0,67 to 0,70 litre gasolin, but there seems to be a problem to get the reciprocal value. I agree with Arttu that 1 litre gasoline equals 1,43-1,49 litre ethanol (1/0,7 - 1/0,67). In my opinion the advantage of higher combustion efficiency of Biofuels should go to the Biofuels and not to the fossil industry and tax authorities, so I will recommend that the tax rate is calculated based on the heating value without considering octan boost for ethanol and faster heat release for biodiesel and SVO. Best regards niels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peggy Sent: 8. januar 2005 04:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] etanol:gasoline ratio Subject: Re: [Biofuel] etanol:gasolin ratio Niels Using energy as the key indicator == we can say ( roughly) ethanol has about 30%to 33% less energy than gasoline. So ethanol unit price per volume has to be 30% to 33% less than gasoline ( grossly ) in the event you use monetary definition. Using energy == energetically speaking 1 liter of gasoline has the same amount of energy of 1,30 liters of ethanol to 1,33 liters of ethanol. Ethanol has more octane than gasoline this is why it can be used as octane booster. Very best for us Chico The information that was reported in the above-mentioned, recent comment about ethanol may be a bit deceptive: I asked a few questions from ethanol users and was given the following answer. If it does not concur with your calculations or information, then we may need to consider the value in a different or relative manner. But in this new context, it seems to offer a more equal value in btu's and therefore a more equal replacement value. On a strictly stoichiometric calculation, ethanol has about 75% of the btu of gasoline per gallon. However, ethanol is burned at 100% in the engine, while gasoline leaves about 20% unburned (that has to be cleaned up by the catalytic converter). Net result is that ethanol gets almost the same power to the wheels as gasoline, and in some cases maybe a little more, since the higher octane rating improves the power output curve from the btu I also asked about biolubricants to use in 2 cycle engines and was given the following reply: The best lubricant for 2-cycle use is Castor oil. You can buy it at any pharmacy and it is soluble in ethanol. Add about 2 oz per gallon. And again, there may be more information that differs. This just sounds very easy and convenient. Hope that this helps. Best wishes, Peggy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha
muchas gracias F. - Original Message - From: FRANCISCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha Francisco 1) I am please to share with you my views about Jatropha after a detailed literature research during the last 2 years. We are about to start a work to domesticate Jatropha here in Brasil. 2) Those are the figures I am using for a local project using Jatropha curcas L. *Planting*: 2 a 3 kg of _*seeds *_per hectare.(Approx. 1.300 seeds / Kg.). Assume 50% of seed will not generate healthy plants.** *Potential harvesting ( _seeds_ not fruit ) * *1¼ year*130 kg/ha** *2¼ *520 kg/ ha *3¼*1300 kg/ha *4¼*2600 kg/ha *5¼*4160 kg/ha *6¼ till 30¼ year*6300 kg/ha *Harvesting :* 1.300 a 2.500 kg _*seeds*_ per hectare third year and on *Productivity harvesting ( man hour ):* 2 kg a 3 kg seeds/ men hour there are no mechanical equipment for jatropha yet. Assume will maintain plant height at 2m. at the most. *Oil content*: 5kg a 5,5 kg of seed has 1,25 litres a 1,48 liters of oil. ( 25% up to 35% content of oil )To run calculations be conservative like i am as of now. There are no scientific hard data on this . First large experiment is being conduct by Daimler Benz at Gujarat, India .So far so good. *__**__**__*Oil pressing efficiency: *__* 80 % o the potential oil (1,0 liters a 1,19 liters per hour ) (semi-industrial) Cleaning efficiency: about 90 % Transesterification: about 97% efficient You have to dry the fruit in the shadow. Peel it clean the seed and than press it properly. *Very important to press it properly and degum the pure oil in order to get a good biodiesel at the end. There are few critical tricks.* Pls note my numbers are *conservative not pessimistic not optimistic*. I contacted Africa, Germany ( Gtz, Reinhard at Hoekeheim University, etc. ) India ( Dr. Satish, etc. ) and Nicaragua and came up with above figures. Actual numbers will be better than those prior indicated so you can run a sensitivity for a 10% increase on final number of biodiesel.. Actual numbers will be in this range Saludos y Feliz ao a todos Chico (Francisco Ramos from Rio de Janeiro and Santiago de Compostela ) francisco j burgos wrote: Dear Andrew Lowe: Many thanks, Francisco. - Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha francisco j burgos wrote: Dear Crystal: could you please tell me the Jatropha nuts oil production in litres/hect or gallon/acre?. Tks, Francisco. Have a look on Journey to Forever, http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html. The values here correspond with values I've seen from a few other sources. Regards, Andrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] etanol:gasolin ratio
Arrtu gave you the exact figures. thank you Arrtu Niels Ans¿ wrote: Thanks a lot Chico I asked because our government charges mineral oil tax for all Biofuels. The tax is calculated litre to litre and related to the fossil fuel we substitute. So SVO and Biodiesel is taxed like sulphur free diesel, and ethanol I suppose like sulphur free gasoline. We work for 100% tax relief on Biofuels like in Germany, Sweden and some other countries, but until we get it, the taxed should be calculated in a fair way according to energy content and not volume. From 1/1 2005 we got rid of the CO2 tax on Biofuels. Sounds stupid, but it took 5-10 years. Best regards Niels DK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FRANCISCO Sent: 5. januar 2005 21:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] etanol:gasolin ratio Niels Using energy as the key indicator == we can say ( roughly) ethanol has about 30%to 33% less energy than gasoline. So ethanol unit price per volume has to be 30% to 33% less than gasoline ( grossly ) in the event you use monetary definition. Using energy == energetically speaking 1 liter of gasoline has the same amount of energy of 1,30 liters of ethanol to 1,33 liters of ethanol. Ethanol has more octane than gasoline this is why it can be used as octane booster. Very best for us Chico Niels Ans¿ wrote: How much bio ethanol do you need for direct replacement of one litre gasoline(B100) Kind regards Niels dk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol
Undersand your coment on timing. Government in scandinavian countries like Denmark are more efficient than in other parties of the world . Five years is not much . In y country it would take about 25 years. Very best for us Chico Arttu Aula wrote: Apparently ethanol has 68% of the energy content of gasoline by volume (8.9x10^7 J/gal vs. 1.3x10^8 J/gal). Therefore gasoline has 146% of the energy content of ethanol by volume. This translates to 1 liter of gasoline = 1.46 liters of ethanol. 46% more ethanol to equal a volume of gasoline. Arttu _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] etanol:gasolin ratio
Chico Niels Ans¿ wrote: Thanks a lot Chico I asked because our government charges mineral oil tax for all Biofuels. The tax is calculated litre to litre and related to the fossil fuel we substitute. So SVO and Biodiesel is taxed like sulphur free diesel, and ethanol I suppose like sulphur free gasoline. We work for 100% tax relief on Biofuels like in Germany, Sweden and some other countries, but until we get it, the taxed should be calculated in a fair way according to energy content and not volume. From 1/1 2005 we got rid of the CO2 tax on Biofuels. Sounds stupid, but it took 5-10 years. Best regards Niels DK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FRANCISCO Sent: 5. januar 2005 21:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] etanol:gasolin ratio Niels Using energy as the key indicator == we can say ( roughly) ethanol has about 30%to 33% less energy than gasoline. So ethanol unit price per volume has to be 30% to 33% less than gasoline ( grossly ) in the event you use monetary definition. Using energy == energetically speaking 1 liter of gasoline has the same amount of energy of 1,30 liters of ethanol to 1,33 liters of ethanol. Ethanol has more octane than gasoline this is why it can be used as octane booster. Very best for us Chico Niels Ans¿ wrote: How much bio ethanol do you need for direct replacement of one litre gasoline(B100) Kind regards Niels dk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha
could you please tell me the Jatropha nuts oil production in litres/hect or gallon/acre?. Tks, Francisco. - Original Message - From: crystal wormald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:21 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Jatropha Hello everyone! I want to find out if there is a market for Jatropha nuts (for bio-fuel) within Australia and if so how do I go about planting my own crop so to say? I want to plant htem from cuttings as I have found out that this way has a higher survival rate than that of crops started from seeds. I need to know where I would purchase a Jatropha plant or if there is a supplier who I can purchase clippings from. How does one go about this? Who might one talk to about this? Does anyone have a clue? I've been searching for months now with no success Frustrated~! Crystal, WA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] etanol:gasolin ratio
Using energy as the key indicator == we can say ( roughly) ethanol has about 30%to 33% less energy than gasoline. So ethanol unit price per volume has to be 30% to 33% less than gasoline ( grossly ) in the event you use monetary definition. Using energy == energetically speaking 1 liter of gasoline has the same amount of energy of 1,30 liters of ethanol to 1,33 liters of ethanol. Ethanol has more octane than gasoline this is why it can be used as octane booster. Very best for us Chico Niels Ans¿ wrote: How much bio ethanol do you need for direct replacement of one litre gasoline(B100) Kind regards Niels dk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha
1) I am please to share with you my views about Jatropha after a detailed literature research during the last 2 years. We are about to start a work to domesticate Jatropha here in Brasil. 2) Those are the figures I am using for a local project using Jatropha curcas L. *Planting*: 2 a 3 kg of _*seeds *_per hectare.(Approx. 1.300 seeds / Kg.). Assume 50% of seed will not generate healthy plants.** *Potential harvesting ( _seeds_ not fruit ) * *1¼ year*130 kg/ha** *2¼ *520 kg/ ha *3¼*1300 kg/ha *4¼*2600 kg/ha *5¼*4160 kg/ha *6¼ till 30¼ year*6300 kg/ha *Harvesting :* 1.300 a 2.500 kg _*seeds*_ per hectare third year and on *Productivity harvesting ( man hour ):* 2 kg a 3 kg seeds/ men hour there are no mechanical equipment for jatropha yet. Assume will maintain plant height at 2m. at the most. *Oil content*: 5kg a 5,5 kg of seed has 1,25 litres a 1,48 liters of oil. ( 25% up to 35% content of oil )To run calculations be conservative like i am as of now. There are no scientific hard data on this . First large experiment is being conduct by Daimler Benz at Gujarat, India .So far so good. *__**__**__*Oil pressing efficiency: *__* 80 % o the potential oil (1,0 liters a 1,19 liters per hour ) (semi-industrial) Cleaning efficiency: about 90 % Transesterification: about 97% efficient You have to dry the fruit in the shadow. Peel it clean the seed and than press it properly. *Very important to press it properly and degum the pure oil in order to get a good biodiesel at the end. There are few critical tricks.* Pls note my numbers are *conservative not pessimistic not optimistic*. I contacted Africa, Germany ( Gtz, Reinhard at Hoekeheim University, etc. ) India ( Dr. Satish, etc. ) and Nicaragua and came up with above figures. Actual numbers will be better than those prior indicated so you can run a sensitivity for a 10% increase on final number of biodiesel.. Actual numbers will be in this range Saludos y Feliz ao a todos Chico (Francisco Ramos from Rio de Janeiro and Santiago de Compostela ) francisco j burgos wrote: Dear Andrew Lowe: Many thanks, Francisco. - Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha francisco j burgos wrote: Dear Crystal: could you please tell me the Jatropha nuts oil production in litres/hect or gallon/acre?. Tks, Francisco. Have a look on Journey to Forever, http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html. The values here correspond with values I've seen from a few other sources. Regards, Andrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha
Many thanks, Francisco. - Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha francisco j burgos wrote: Dear Crystal: could you please tell me the Jatropha nuts oil production in litres/hect or gallon/acre?. Tks, Francisco. Have a look on Journey to Forever, http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html. The values here correspond with values I've seen from a few other sources. Regards, Andrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Can ethanol be transported through the existing pipeline? ... was [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy
First things first: Happy new Year for us all Brazilian National Oil Co. and Alcohol distillers do move ethanol through pipeline through out the country ( pls remember in continuous land Brazil is among the six biggies) in so called multiple pipeline ( crude, derivatives and ethanol). Keith indicated one big restriction others do exist. Some of them are vanished via refining technology. But there are big differences in nature between ethanol and gasoline; *viscosity and lubricity *and they do affect pumps and pipe lifetime and they must be adjusted to this different reality. Also remember alcohol loves water so is not simple to keep it anhydrous. In short : yes it is possible and it is being done. The technology is there however significant investments must be made and this reduces the returns in short run ( roe and also reduces crude prices as demands is shortened ). As of now ethanol is as competitive as gasoline. Hope it helps. Very best for all of us and everybody else Chico Keith Addison wrote: Isn't the need to keep it anhydrous the reason Dave? Best Keith Hello, I was perusing the Energy Commission report (URL below) and it cites that a drawback of ethanol is that it cannot be transported by pipeline. That seems odd to me, after all it is a liquid just like petrol, no? What part of our liquid fuel pipeline infrastructure would need to be changed (when switching from petrol to ethanol and/or biodiesel)? Here's what the report states on p. 71, Table 4-1: [Regarding Corn and cellulosic ethanol] Compatible with existing infrastructure: It Depends . . . Can be blended with gasoline at varying levels, but cannot now be transported by pipeline and must be moved by barge or truck. It doesn't state that this is a problem with biodiesel however. From: http://www.energycommission.org/ewebeditpro/items/O82F4682.pdf Thanks folks. Be Well, - Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phillip Wolfe Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy Dear BioFuel Readers, Regarding the recent US Energy Strategy, I read the executive summary which is as follows: 1. ENHANCING OIL SECURITY 2. REDUCING RISKS FROM CLIMATE CHANGE 3. INCREASING ENERGY EFFICIENCY 4. ENSURING AFFORDABLE, RELIABLE ENERGY SUPPLIES 5. STRENGTHENING ESSENTIAL ENERGY SYSTEMS 6. DEVELOPING ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES FOR THE FUTURE As it relates to US activity in biofuels/ethanol/non-petroleum fuels, it appears the bipartisan panel strategy provides much opportunity for entrepreneurs and biofuel advocates. I wish there was more wording and attention by the commissioners on the actual ream activities of the distribution of new fuels, the refineries themselves and the pipeline distribution of non-petroleum fuels (soy, canola, rapeseed, WVO, SVO, ethanol, CNG) and more wording on the conversion of existing refineries into biodiesel refineries. Thanks Keith for the notification. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DieselNet December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy The National Commission on Energy Policy--a bipartisan group of energy experts from industry, government, labor, academia, and environmental and consumer groups--released a consensus strategy to address major long-term US energy challenges. The report, Ending the Energy Stalemate: A Bipartisan Strategy to Meet America's Energy Challenges, contains policy recommendations for addressing oil security, climate change, natural gas supply, the future of nuclear energy, and other long-term challenges. The report calls for incentives to increase global oil production, recommends to increase domestic vehicle fuel economy, and to increase investment in alternative fuels. The climate change plan would limit greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, but a cost cap for doing so would be established. Incentives should be also provided for low- and non- carbon sources like natural gas, renewable energy, nuclear energy, and advanced coal technologies with carbon capture and sequestration. Among many detailed recommendations, the report supports domestic production of advanced diesel and hybrid vehicles. The Commission concluded that a combination of improved conventional gasoline technologies and advanced hybrid-electric and diesel technologies can significantly increase fuel economy without sacrificing size, power, or safety. The report gives little prominence to fuel cells and hydrogen technologies. Hydrogen was not deemed as potentially competitive with gasoline by 2020. The Commission supports continued research and development into hydrogen as a long-term (2050) solution. The Commission also concludes, however, that hydrogen offers little to no potential to improve oil security and reduce climate change risks in the next
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gasoline tank?. If answer is yes, how much?. Thanks, Francisco.
Re: [Biofuel] brazil contacts for car conversions
If he cames to Rio de Janeiro I will be more than pleased to host and show some places doing convertion. Brasilia is not the right place to go for this kind of matter. S.Paulo yes and also Rio. Please let me know details. My office phone number is +55 21 2565 7124 , cell number +55 21 9997 3922 fax is +55 21 2569 1842 , home phone is 55 21 2577 4077 and skipe ( www.skype.com and dowload program - we can talk for free on overseas or intersate phone calls ) login is fransciscoramos. We are GMT-2. Very best for all of us Chico Dave Shaw wrote: Hello, My friend from California is heading into Brazilia (or Sao Paulo) next month, and would love to connect with fellow biofuelers. Specifically, he's looking for more information on ethanol engine conversions done in Brazil. He's a real do-er and would greatly benefit from taking a good look at what is happening in Brazil under the hood. He has converted a number of small engines to ethanol and is playing around with putting 50% into his autos. Is there anyone in the area interested in a friendly international information exchange? We appreciate your time, Yours truly, Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] E-mail account security warning.
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Re: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants
I am certainly interested in your products. Could you pls send me list and prices?. Tks, Francisco J. Burgos - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants We can supply additive packages that you can add to your own cold pressed or in some cases solvent extracted oil, to make various lubricants. We can also supply plant oil based lubricants as manufactured products. Contact me off list for details Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 8, 2004, at 4:00 AM, francisco j burgos wrote: Dear Dave: when you find it , pls pass the word. Thanks, Francisco - Original Message - From: Dave Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants Hello, I am looking for biodegradable, 100% (or 99.9%) plant derived 2-stroke and 4-stroke motor oils and lubricants. We have many vehicles running on ethanol, biodiesel and SVO, and just hate the idea of putting in petro motor oil on our next oil changes. We are looking for a bulk buy of some sort, maybe even a distributorship, but haven't had luck locating a business which markets 100% biooil for use in 4 stroke engines. Any help is appreciated, I know its out there. Thanks! Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants
when you find it , pls pass the word. Thanks, Francisco - Original Message - From: Dave Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants Hello, I am looking for biodegradable, 100% (or 99.9%) plant derived 2-stroke and 4-stroke motor oils and lubricants. We have many vehicles running on ethanol, biodiesel and SVO, and just hate the idea of putting in petro motor oil on our next oil changes. We are looking for a bulk buy of some sort, maybe even a distributorship, but haven't had luck locating a business which markets 100% biooil for use in 4 stroke engines. Any help is appreciated, I know its out there. Thanks! Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants
Would these honorable people sign a NDA/Agreement and collect royalties from us on sales so we can produce and commercialize the good stuff in Brasil??? My limited knowledge on the subject tells me this is a kind of syn fluid ( synthetic fluid made of castor oil) with with ashless extreme pressure agent. Very best for us Francisco ( Chico ) Keith Addison wrote: Hi Dave, Francisco We're using engine, transmission and differential oil made from pure castor oil, and it's really good stuff! That's the good news... The bad news is that it's not available. It's made by some people we work with here in Japan who, for various reasons of their own, don't want to go through all the hoops of patenting it and producing it commercially, so they only make it available to a few people using biodiesel/SVO and working to promote biofuels here. Sorry! However, that such oils do exist (there are European products available), and that a small (but smart!) outfit like this one here can produce such a product from scratch at least shows it's not impossible. Surely a matter of bringing market demand to bear? Castor oil is a very good candidate, perhaps the best. There's quite a lot of fuel-related work being done with castor oil in India and in Brazil. Best wishes Keith Dear Dave: when you find it , pls pass the word. Thanks, Francisco - Original Message - From: Dave Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants Hello, I am looking for biodegradable, 100% (or 99.9%) plant derived 2-stroke and 4-stroke motor oils and lubricants. We have many vehicles running on ethanol, biodiesel and SVO, and just hate the idea of putting in petro motor oil on our next oil changes. We are looking for a bulk buy of some sort, maybe even a distributorship, but haven't had luck locating a business which markets 100% biooil for use in 4 stroke engines. Any help is appreciated, I know its out there. Thanks! Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants
I saw the article and I know the guy form EMBRAPA. I also saw Perdue pedia. I have a non answered question that is why will they destroy the castor oil market price when they could do exactly the same thing with JCL? JCL is native in this country. VEry Best and thank you again Chico Keith Addison wrote: Hi Chico Keith Would these honorable people sign a NDA/Agreement and collect royalties from us on sales so we can produce and commercialize the good stuff in Brasil??? Hmmm, I don't know. I'll ask them. I won't be seeing them for a couple of weeks, it could take some time, but I will get back to you, whatever the result. I think that would be a Good Thing, so I really will try, but no promises, they have their own way of looking at it. My limited knowledge on the subject tells me this is a kind of syn fluid ( synthetic fluid made of castor oil) with with ashless extreme pressure agent. Yes, something like that, I think. Very best for us We'll see Chico. This is about castor oil in Brazil, maybe you saw it: http://www.tierramerica.net/2003/0526/ianalisis.shtml Energy in a Castor Bean And this about India: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/bline/2004/08/04/stories/200408040 0300300.htm The Hindu Business Line : Gujarat Oleo Chem bags Rs 25-cr biodiesel order from IOC And this is what the estimable James Duke has to say about it: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Ricinus_communis.html Ricinus communis Best wishes Keith Francisco ( Chico ) Keith Addison wrote: Hi Dave, Francisco We're using engine, transmission and differential oil made from pure castor oil, and it's really good stuff! That's the good news... The bad news is that it's not available. It's made by some people we work with here in Japan who, for various reasons of their own, don't want to go through all the hoops of patenting it and producing it commercially, so they only make it available to a few people using biodiesel/SVO and working to promote biofuels here. Sorry! However, that such oils do exist (there are European products available), and that a small (but smart!) outfit like this one here can produce such a product from scratch at least shows it's not impossible. Surely a matter of bringing market demand to bear? Castor oil is a very good candidate, perhaps the best. There's quite a lot of fuel-related work being done with castor oil in India and in Brazil. Best wishes Keith Dear Dave: when you find it , pls pass the word. Thanks, Francisco - Original Message - From: Dave Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants Hello, I am looking for biodegradable, 100% (or 99.9%) plant derived 2-stroke and 4-stroke motor oils and lubricants. We have many vehicles running on ethanol, biodiesel and SVO, and just hate the idea of putting in petro motor oil on our next oil changes. We are looking for a bulk buy of some sort, maybe even a distributorship, but haven't had luck locating a business which markets 100% biooil for use in 4 stroke engines. Any help is appreciated, I know its out there. Thanks! Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Brazilian Ethanol Film
Your enthusiasm is contagious. I like that. Yes, Rebecca does speak Portuguese even though she learned to write in English first ( We are adopted Houstonian ) We have to plan this trip and documentary properly and we will do it!! We can set good meetings with oil co. ethanol producers, local DOE and car manufacturers and last and the most important: the consumer. Well ... let's plan at the do time. We will do right the right thing, at the right time, with the right resources at the first time!! Please consider that Jan and February are vacation time and very few people will be available.( Unless you want to enjoy our summer time and the local beaches ) Also consider that during Jan/Feb/March it rains a lot. I kindly ask our colleagues to contribute with the plan at the due time and I also suggest you coordinate the efforts. Local cost of living is not bed. A huge lunch at a barbecue house costs no more than US$ 13 Very Best for all of us Chico Ps Bill are you French descend? william lemorande wrote: Chico, Thanks ... That is a great offer. I will hopefully give you some details in a few months. It would be great to work with a pro like your daughter, particularly since she speaks portugese. ( I am assuming she does and also speaks english) And to stay with someone knowledgable like yourself would be invaluable. This is such terrific opportunity. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bill - Original Message - From: FRANCISCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Brazilian Ethanol Film Bill Here is Chico. Wellcome to Brasil.You can stay in my place and you can work with my daughter as she graduated as movie director and she is fluent in English. This cope with small expenses. Suggest you contact alcohol traders and fuel marketers in you rpart of the world. Very best Chico william lemorande wrote: I am a film maker and am thinking of going to Brazil to do a documentary on the origins and uses of alcohol (ethanol) as a fuel in Brazil. If any of you has any idea on how to finance this, I would sure appreciate them. My best guess is about $30,000. I have already talked to a couple of TV stations and they have interest in airing it ..but no interest in underwriting it. Bill Lemorande Milwaukee, WI PS I have won over 20 awards including a CLIO - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Some Brazilian ethanol factsl Luis, I am very interested in the report also and if you find it useful, I can publish it on our site for download by other interested parties. If you also could write a short commentary to it and if it is legal to offer the report to the public, I am very interested in offering it to a wider public also. As everybody are aware of, I find the Brazilian activities in the biofuel field very important and also the knowledge base that is built during the last 30+ years. Giving it as much publicity as possible and to learn from them, must be of global interest. It is also an important recognition of the experiences and support for all parties involved. I belive that a marketing of Brazilian technology is not only good for Brazil, but also for the global community and everybody that supports the wider use of biofuels. The value of Brazil's experiences and knowledge cannot be over rated and if I can be of help, it would make me happy. Hakan At 08:00 AM 11/30/2004, you wrote: Hi I would request you to please mail me reuters report on present and future of Brazilian Ethanol Industry as well as Emberaers release on their Ethanol powered Aircraft. Regards, sumer c jain CONTACTOS MUNDIALES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear William and all. The Brazilian ethanol output in 2003 was 14,000,000,000 liters = 3,703,000,000 US gallons US production for the same year was 12,000,000,000 3,174,000,000 Other notes on Ethanol in Brazil: * There are over 4 million cars that use 100% ethanol in their engines * Ethanol-gasoline blends start at around 25% * EMBRAER, the largest domestic airplanes manufacturer, will release in about four months their model Ipanema that will use ethanol aviation fuel, with the following consequences: 5% power increase, increased climb rate, speed and altitude, lower engine maintenance costs, lower emissions (of course), 66% lower fuel costs. (Source: EMBRAER Press Release) * In Brazil ethanol is produced from Blackstrap molasses as well as from sugar cane juice * The sugar cane productivity is 80 Metric Tons/Hectare/Year. This agricultural yield is equivalent to some 6,500 liters ethanol/Hectare/year. * The current area planted with cane for sugar and ethanol production is around 4.9 million Hectares. There is a recent report by Reuters on the present and future of the Brazilian
Re: [Biofuel] GTL
Would please let me know your friend at Syntroleum email and / or phone number Teh local market characteristics favors Syntroleum products. FYI Brazil is plenty of Natural Gas and there is a huge effort to expand NG in the fuel matrix. Objective is to increase biomass and NG participation thus reducing crude oil share. John Miggins wrote: There is a company in tulsa and houston who is doing Gas to Liquid plants all over the world and they have the technology to do it. there are special catalysts that are needed to turn the gas into liquid. My friend is one of the main chemists at this facility. company name is Syntroleum. look them up on the web. John Miggins Harvest Solar Wind Power renewable solutions to everyday needs www.harvest-energy.com Phone/Fax 918-743-2299 Cell: 918-521-6223 - Original Message - From: Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] GTL Dear Jose, I have a couple engineering friends from Bolivia. Is there any possibility to first consider Bolivian homegrown vegtable oil/soy/ to create biofuel? How about creating a Bolivian alternative fuel/biodiesel...then evolve to 100% soy or some derivative to become independent? Most of my contacts are from my former career at a large petroleum company. GTL development is under development in Malaysia and other countries with large capital investment. Once I email my contact they will either be all over you to develop GTL or want to find out if there is serious capital and politcal will available. For example, a GTL plant was proposed in Vallejo, CA (near San Francisco) but was stopped for politcal reasons. P.Wolfe --- Jose Luis Hernandez Quisbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Phillip: All type of contacts and information are very welcome. I know GTL is not a panacea but in Bolivia we have plenty of gas and very little oil, so we are importing diesel and I am interested in alternative and cleaner fuels. Your kind help and response is higly appreciated. Jose Luis - Mensaje Original - Desde: Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fecha: Martes, Noviembre 30, 2004 11:11 am Asunto: Re: [Biofuel] GTL Jose, I have some contacts for you. While working at a large energy company one of my buddies worked on GTL plants. I will see if I can get a hold of him. Remember that GTL is not the only answer and very large investement is required in infrastructure, capital investment, and energy streams. I am sure there are others on this blog (Keith?) who can assist you too. P. WOlfe --- Jose Luis Hernandez Quisbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fellows: I will appreciate any information, links, regarding GTL (gas to liquids) processes and technology to obtain diesel and gasoline from Natural Gas. Thank you in advance. Jose L. Hernandez Bolivia South America ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup
Re: [Biofuel] Brazilian Ethanol Film
Here is Chico. Wellcome to Brasil.You can stay in my place and you can work with my daughter as she graduated as movie director and she is fluent in English. This cope with small expenses. Suggest you contact alcohol traders and fuel marketers in you rpart of the world. Very best Chico william lemorande wrote: I am a film maker and am thinking of going to Brazil to do a documentary on the origins and uses of alcohol (ethanol) as a fuel in Brazil. If any of you has any idea on how to finance this, I would sure appreciate them. My best guess is about $30,000. I have already talked to a couple of TV stations and they have interest in airing it ..but no interest in underwriting it. Bill Lemorande Milwaukee, WI PS I have won over 20 awards including a CLIO - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Some Brazilian ethanol factsl Luis, I am very interested in the report also and if you find it useful, I can publish it on our site for download by other interested parties. If you also could write a short commentary to it and if it is legal to offer the report to the public, I am very interested in offering it to a wider public also. As everybody are aware of, I find the Brazilian activities in the biofuel field very important and also the knowledge base that is built during the last 30+ years. Giving it as much publicity as possible and to learn from them, must be of global interest. It is also an important recognition of the experiences and support for all parties involved. I belive that a marketing of Brazilian technology is not only good for Brazil, but also for the global community and everybody that supports the wider use of biofuels. The value of Brazil's experiences and knowledge cannot be over rated and if I can be of help, it would make me happy. Hakan At 08:00 AM 11/30/2004, you wrote: Hi I would request you to please mail me reuters report on present and future of Brazilian Ethanol Industry as well as Emberaers release on their Ethanol powered Aircraft. Regards, sumer c jain CONTACTOS MUNDIALES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear William and all. The Brazilian ethanol output in 2003 was 14,000,000,000 liters = 3,703,000,000 US gallons US production for the same year was 12,000,000,000 3,174,000,000 Other notes on Ethanol in Brazil: * There are over 4 million cars that use 100% ethanol in their engines * Ethanol-gasoline blends start at around 25% * EMBRAER, the largest domestic airplanes manufacturer, will release in about four months their model Ipanema that will use ethanol aviation fuel, with the following consequences: 5% power increase, increased climb rate, speed and altitude, lower engine maintenance costs, lower emissions (of course), 66% lower fuel costs. (Source: EMBRAER Press Release) * In Brazil ethanol is produced from Blackstrap molasses as well as from sugar cane juice * The sugar cane productivity is 80 Metric Tons/Hectare/Year. This agricultural yield is equivalent to some 6,500 liters ethanol/Hectare/year. * The current area planted with cane for sugar and ethanol production is around 4.9 million Hectares. There is a recent report by Reuters on the present and future of the Brazilian ethanol industry, which I will be happy to mail upon request, as well as the EMBRAER release on their ethanol-powered Ipanema.aircraft. There is a lot to learn from the Brazilian huge ethanol experiment wich they started more than 30 yeasr ago!. May all of you have a very nice Sunday, Luis R. Calzadilla Contactos Mundiales [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: william lemorande To: Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Forget the Tiger, put some Mushrooms in your Tank ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Forget the Tiger, put some Mushrooms in your Tank
Ref. Brasil biomass Bill all you say is correct and good. The critical step is being performed now. *It is biodiesel. *Currently the barrel destillation is unbalanced as diesel is needed and as there is a ratio diesel/gasoline which can be extracted As we replaced about 30% gasoline by alcohol we are long in gasoline and short in diesel. Once biodiesel is there then barrel light fraction and heavy fraction will be balanced again. Then local dependence on fossil fuel will be minimum. Ethanol now is competitive and biodiesel still have and path to cope. Pls remember now the vast majority of produced engines in this cournty is trifuel meaning can run in neat ethanol, gasoline or cng. In my opinion we have to balance the energy source; renewable with fossil. By doing that sinergy will help human kind during the next say 1000 years. Between good and correct I stick with both, just like Bill _*Very best for us all.*_ Chico william lemorande wrote: 'Brazil makes 150,000 million litres of fuel by fermenting sugar cane [so] reducing the country's dependence on oil. Europe has to match that.' Brazil is almost totally self reliant for thier energy needs. This converted to gallons is 40,000 million gallons or 40 Billion gallons. I think my figures are correct. Thats is a lot of ethonol. By contrast... I figured that the US produces 2 Billion gallons per year. So the US only produces 1/20th of what Brazil produces. Brazil is definatly a leader here. One we should all look to for future guidance. They have been doing it for over 20 years. I wish someone would make a TV show about this subject to hieghten the awareness of the US public. Bill PS My figures are based on a websites that seem to have high credibility. http://www.westbioenergy.org/reports/nderept.htm#_Toc488432614 - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Forget the Tiger, put some Mushrooms in your Tank Legal Eagle wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/waste/story/0,12188,1356250,00.html Thanks Luc, interesting -- 'Transport is a potential horror story for Europe,' Wiktor Raldow, head of renewable energy for the European Commission, told a bio-energy conference in Sweden last week. 'We are 98 per cent reliant on oil, 70 per cent of it imported. We have to find alternatives - and quickly.' Forget the tiger. Put some mushrooms in your tank Gene scientists turn waste into fuel for Europe's cars Robin McKie, science editor Nov 21, 2004 The Observer http://www.guardian.co.uk/waste/story/0,12188,1356250,00.html Where there's muck, there's gas. Scientists have created genetically modified yeasts and fungi that can turn agricultural waste into fuel for cars and trucks. In future we may take to the roads in vehicles powered by left over plant remains. The technology - created with European Union money - uses corn stubble and other farm waste as basic ingredients for making ethanol. This can then be used as a substitute for petrol. This project has been hailed by researchers and politicians because it could help Europe make major cuts in its massive oil import bill. Apart from North Sea oil, which is now drying up, nearly all the Continent's oil and petrol is imported. 'Transport is a potential horror story for Europe,' Wiktor Raldow, head of renewable energy for the European Commission, told a bio-energy conference in Sweden last week. 'We are 98 per cent reliant on oil, 70 per cent of it imported. We have to find alternatives - and quickly.' The project uses biomass, organic matter from plants. Sources include wood, crops, and agriculture and forestry waste. Traditionally, they have been burnt as a fuel or just to get rid of them, though corn stubble is now ploughed into the ground in the UK because of the impact of burning on the environment. 'We can no longer afford to waste our biomass,' said project scientist Professor Lissa Viikari, of the VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland. 'Brazil makes 150,000 million litres of fuel by fermenting sugar cane [so] reducing the country's dependence on oil. Europe has to match that.' But European crops are far harder to turn into ethanol than sugar cane. Corn stubble and wood from willow and spruce trees are rich in chemicals such as cellulose, and these are hard to break down during fermentation. To get round this, the team, based in Scandinavia, Hungary and Italy, has turned to the techniques of gene splicing. First, they have added genes to species of common wild fungi. 'Fungi make enzymes, chemicals that act like tiny scissors that can cut up complex strands of organic material,' said project leader Katy Reczey, of Budapest University. 'These enzymes are quite good at breaking down cellulose, but not good enough. We have improved on nature by splicing extra genes into fungi so they make even better enzymes.' These 'souped-up' enzymes are used to treat the corn stubble
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.
_*see the answer in red. Very best fo us*_ Hakan Falk wrote: Chico, When I wrote my email, I did no see yours. When I was in Brazil, I was told that the normal mix at the pump was 28.5% and I read somewhere that this mix would be raised next year.* I understand. It started with 10% wwwent up to 15 then 20 and it floats between 20 to 25 % pending on market ocnditions*. The B2 I thought was higher, but I do not remember where I got B5 and B10 from. *It starts with 2 then goes up to 3 and then 5%* I read before about Brazil and also got some perspective in the Brazilian energy production when I was there. Someone told me that more than 50-60% of total energy in Brazil came from renewable, since the hydro electric production is very large. *This is the reality hydropower is the dominante energy source.* I also learned that Brazil is writing quite a few technology exchange agreements with other countries, regarding biofuels.*This is also correct*.When I visited Vietnam in September, I learned that they just signed an agreement with Brazil. It is quite a lot of developing countries that want to learn from Brazil and I see this as very positive. I also read the UN report about the social impacts of ethanol production in Brazil during the last 30 years. It was a lot of positive things that was confirmed and verified. I cannot understand how people in US, UK and Australia can fall for scare tactics about biofuel, when we have such a well documented pilot case to look at. *Hakan I worked for Exxon during 20 years and understand oil business. It is a very effective industry. to change the model inertia has to be overcome. Lot1s of money - distribuition is the limiting factor. ( It is like food the world produces more then the consumption but lots of are hungy... )* It is also quite interesting that Brazil, despite the new oil discoveries, move forward on biofuels. *The objective is to export more crude and promote a healthy rural middle class. Remeber: Brasil population is poor and biofuels is a way in increasing income. For your info. during the first phase of alcohol program 4 million jobs were created and after the learning curve become stable 2 million jobs where letf*. *Now biodiesel will absorb these 2 million plus of poor people. Also is a way to homogeinize population distribution as a lot of non expensive land is available. This is the other factor land is very expensive in developped country. We must also remember intensive and extensive agricultural cultivation do demand a lot of natural and non natural resources so...* Hakan At 11:17 AM 11/25/2004, you wrote: Hi I am a new comer 1) Bill: the blend gasoline/ethanol in Brasil is used by all Otto cycle based vehicles as yo said. The gasohol is 75/25 gasoline/ethanol ratio and it is mandatory not having water as water will force ethanol do drop out of the blend. Today 95% of new vehicles coming out of the OEM are trifuel meaning gasoline/alcohol/cng. As they can run with 100% ethanol their metallurgy is different from 100% gasoline vehicle and they use a lot of zamak - a zinc alloy resistant to corrosion. This is the cheapest and more effective route to fight corrosion. Also ethanol production processes are much more efficient now and contaminants are almost completely removed and those are the contaminants do promote corrosion ( electro chemistry ). Related to pollution one big question has to be answer : how the aldehids coming out of the tailpipe do affect the environment 2) Diesel cycle engines Does anyone in this group is interesting in investing in biodiesel with me in this country ( Brasil )? As of January 1st, 2005 it will be mandatory to add a minimum of 2% of biodiesel to petrodiesel. Tech objective is to have small farms producing vegt. oil and having the vegt. oil transesterified in medium size plants spread through out the country. Very Best for us all Francisco Ramos ( Chico Ramos ) william lemorande wrote: I believe in a system called the Lemonade Fix. It proposes 10% ethanol fuel be used in all states by the year 2007. This would in essence reduce the US dependence on foreign oil by under 10%. It would put the American Farmer back to work rather than see him subsidized by the government and in general put many people back to work. It would literally stop the outflow of greenbacks to the middle east. Yes Brazil does have more than a great percentage of their vehicles using ethanol. It started in the 80's. They got up to about 90% ethanol usage. That meant every car, every truck, every lawnmower etc.etc. was using ethanol. A truly non-polluting fuel. Even the octane is higher making it more powerful. The only down side is that ethanol is corrosive. Meaning gas tanks need to be lined with rubber or plastic. Bill - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:05 PM Subject
Fw: [Biofuel] 1 micron filter
It is common to blend Biodiesel with regular Diesel fuel... I wonder if are there some other fuels and/or solvents compatible with the Biodiesel that can be blend with it besides regular Diesel fuel. Thanks, F ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New Florida Voting Machines
machines. F - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Florida Voting Machines Whahahahah! I needed a good laugh, thanks. Luc - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New Florida Voting Machines Florida voting machine. On line demo. http://www.boomchicago.nl/Section/Videos/BoomChicagoVotingMachine ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biofuel USA goberment set standars
Could you please indicate me where to learn about biofuel USA government set standards?. I will appreciate very mich your help. F. - Original Message - From: Todd Wootton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: [Biofuel] commercial Hi everyone, I am looking for some help regarding the formation of a small commercial operation. It appears as though there are many different ways and formulas to create biodiesel but what I am looking for is the most effective way to make biodiesel that will meet the government set standards. As well, I need to create a system that will handle a fairly large volume and am unsure as to where to start. Can anyone help lead me in the right direction? Thanks Todd ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
F. - Original Message - From: Leif Forer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:46 PM Subject: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Do any one knows the chemical name or trade name of red dye to color diesel fuel?. Unisol. Tks, F. ~Leif --- Leif Forer Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop (919) 542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] VW warranty IMPORT/EXPORT
Could you please indicate me the pertinent international code number which is applied by Customs in Germany and USA to a fuel as such as Biodiesel (B 100; B 85; .B 5; etc). I assume that regular Diesel 100% also have an international code number, any one knows code numbers for those products?. Example, for certain mineral oil based aditive the Customs code number is: 38.11.21.20.90 and if it is imported by a Venezuelan buyer the duties charged are 5%. Thanks in advance, F. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] VW warranty I find the following policy of VW America hard to fathom. Really outrageous! Sorry if I'm double posting this, but I can't seem to access your list anymore, so don't know whats going on. Tom Leue Original Message Subject: RE: Product Information 9/30 mh Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:10:51 -0400 From: VIC Web Responses [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Sailesh, Thank you for visiting the Volkswagen Web site. We appreciate your inquiry on Volkswagen's position on using biodiesel fuel. B100 stands for 100% biodiesel. It is a diesel fuel derived from biomass feedstock such as soybeans. It can be blended with regular diesel fuel (B20 = 20% biodiesel/80% regular diesel, for example). In Europe our diesel engines are certified to operate any blend of the biodiesel that is available in Europe. European biodiesel is different than biodiesel in the U.S. since it is produced from different feedstock (the rapeseed plant versus the soy plant). Our parent company does not agree with the specifications for biodiesel in the U.S. and does not recommend its use in any percentage. Using biodiesel will invalidate our warranty. If you have any further questions or concerns, please contact Volkswagen Customer Care at 800-822-8987. Thank you for your submission! Maria Volktalk - Homestead Inc. www.yellowbiodiesel.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Fw: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
Do any one knows the chemical name or trade name of red dye to color diesel fuel?. Tks, F. - Original Message - From: Kenneth Kron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:42 AM Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol My dad used to work for a fuel station that sold off-road and on road fuel. He told me when they sold untaxed fuel and give you a container with enough dye to correctly dye the fuel you bought. Apparently they are audited for the amount of untaxed fuel they sell and the amount of red dye the consume with not much verification on exactly how these two items leave the premisies. kk Kirk McLoren wrote: I heard of a person who put red diesel in 5 gallon water bottles (lexan) and the sunlight caused the red dye to precipitate thus easily filterable. Lot of work I think to save a few bucks. Kirk Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't get caught with red diesel in your tank. passenger vehicles don't usually get checked, though my buddy, Eddie, did with his diesel suburban. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Nothing says you couldn't do such, one thing to remember that the main difference is the additives, and that the slower running the Diesel engine is, the heavier the hydrocarbons ( and lower the cetane value of fuel ) that can be used, without to much problems. In theory, you could design a engine that ran on heavy crude oil, but, it would need to be a slow running engine. Diesel engines that run at higher RPMs, and Diesel engines that do a lot of speed changes ( low RPM / high RPM / low RPM / and high again, such as you find with around town driving ) needs a lighter hydrocarbon, and a higher cetane value for better performance. In theory a cetane value of about 45-50 is best for in city driving, although 40 would be fine for long distance hwy driving, 35 should be fine for a farm tractor and oil furnace use. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 15:52 Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol When I lived in Montana the local fuel supplier filled your winter tractor fuel tank and the oil stove tank from the same tank truck load. It was dyed red to stop its use on the highway. Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel?
white spirit (1.-Common synonyms: Stodadart Solvent; Petroleum Spirits, Mineral Spirit; 2.-Common Trade names: Exxsol, Shellsol, Solvesso) is made of light aromatics (CAS N¼ 647 42-95-6) that comes from petroleum processing industry. Some aromatic chemicals in their pure state, at high concentration in air and/or skin exposure specially with long time exposure it is sayed may be carcinogenic. Some one wrote that he added white spirit to the Biodiesel in order to keep clean the fuel system... since white spirit is made of light aromatics (CAS N¼ 647 42-95-6) I wonder if it is legal in USA such Biodiesel/white spirit blend, if so, in which %. It is very important to clarify this matter. Thanks, F. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel? Just about anything in the usa is legal, except distilling drinkable spirits. That you need a permit for. homemade fuels for personal use have very few restrictions. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: francisco j burgos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel? Dear pals: some one wrote that he added white spirit to the Biodiesel in order to keep clean the fuel system... since white spirit is made of light aromatics (CAS N¼ 647 42-95-6) I wonder if it is legal in USA such Biodiesel/white spirit blend. It is very important to clarify this matter. Thaks, F. - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anamaria [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Antonio Moroc [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Javier Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mara Gabriela Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Oslo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Barboza [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Duilia Tovar [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jorge [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Pilar Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel? Also has anyone created a file of biofuels rules and regulations? We all need help. I appreciate those who offered help in understanding their US state's concerns. We should also include other parts of the world. Peggy Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel? Dear pals: is there any one who knows the international customs code number that covers Biodiesel as a matter of import-export?. Are there special regulations for transportation BD by air, road or seaship? Just in case I require to get some samples BD-100, BD-20 from overseas to compare with mine. Tks. F. - Original Message - From: Saul Juliao [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel? Hi Ron, I live in Canada... I don't know if MF ok's it but I use Bio-diesel in my old MF165 which has a Perkins 4 cylinder engine in it. I have had no problems with it since I started making Bio-diesel going back to April. Saul A. Juliao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I was looking at the Massey Ferguson web site and was wondering if anyone has run across the company saying it is alright for burning biodiesel in their equipment? Though MF is part of a larger company based in the US, I believe...the tractors are manufactured in Canada, correct? Would anyone living in Canada (the USA's best friend, I might add) know if MF tractors can burn biodiesl (OK'd by the manufacturer)? Thanks, Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel?
some one wrote that he added white spirit to the Biodiesel in order to keep clean the fuel system... since white spirit is made of light aromatics (CAS N¼ 647 42-95-6) I wonder if it is legal in USA such Biodiesel/white spirit blend. It is very important to clarify this matter. Thaks, F. - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anamaria [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Antonio Moroc [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Javier Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mara Gabriela Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Oslo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Anita [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Barboza [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Duilia Tovar [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jorge [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Pilar Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: [Biofuel] OK for biodiesel? Also has anyone created a file of biofuels rules and regulations? We all need help. I appreciate those who offered help in understanding their US state's concerns. We should also include other parts of the world. Peggy Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel? Dear pals: is there any one who knows the international customs code number that covers Biodiesel as a matter of import-export?. Are there special regulations for transportation BD by air, road or seaship? Just in case I require to get some samples BD-100, BD-20 from overseas to compare with mine. Tks. F. - Original Message - From: Saul Juliao [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel? Hi Ron, I live in Canada... I don't know if MF ok's it but I use Bio-diesel in my old MF165 which has a Perkins 4 cylinder engine in it. I have had no problems with it since I started making Bio-diesel going back to April. Saul A. Juliao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I was looking at the Massey Ferguson web site and was wondering if anyone has run across the company saying it is alright for burning biodiesel in their equipment? Though MF is part of a larger company based in the US, I believe...the tractors are manufactured in Canada, correct? Would anyone living in Canada (the USA's best friend, I might add) know if MF tractors can burn biodiesl (OK'd by the manufacturer)? Thanks, Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Net environmental concerns
Up to now seems like the balance is favourable to WVO... I still have a doubt: how to dispose the wastes... glicerine really looks very dirt ( but saleable) and the wash waters are alcaline... any one knows how to industially reclaim the waste/spent solutions or at least dispose them safely?. Tks, F. - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Net environmental concerns Correct me if I am wrong...but while it seems that burning WVO of unknown content may potentially emit more of some harmful emissions at the tailpipe than other fuels, it seems that a lifecycle look may still reveal a net environmental benefit...no? When one collects WVO from the local fryer, all of the energy used to drill, transport, and refine crude is avoided. The emissions from that energy consumption is surly not negligible and must be considered as an output when using those fuels. What about the damage to ecosystems from drilling/mining? Then there is the threat of crude oil spills. Then there is the potential reduction of illegal grease dumping which leads to massive water pollution problems due to sewage system blockage (Look at Atlanta, GA for a great example). That is also giving no consideration to the massive damage done by nations in efforts to secure oil supplies. While some harmful emissions are raised, others are reduced. Carbon emissions being net zero, Sulfur Oxides almost zero... The list of positives (even just within the environmental consideration) still seems to still outweigh the negatives. Is this a fair assumption? -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
Dear pal: I would be delighted to learn about your technique on how to arrange a petrol (gasoline) motor to work smoothly on motor paraffin (kerosene). Thanks in advance, F. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Hello Max snip Hello Phil! If you wish, and Keith allows us to talk in depth about how to arrange a petrol (gasoline) motor to work smoothly on motor paraffin (kerosene), I can offer you my experience of 13 years and over 100.000 km with two of my cars. Both driven by motorpetroleum and waterinjection (actually suctioned by the motor itself, the same way as the fuel). You certainly don't need me to allow you, nor anyone else. I know you have an interesting story to tell, please go right ahead. Best wishes Keith Max Gasman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel?
is there any one who knows the international customs code number that covers Biodiesel as a matter of import-export?. Are there special regulations for transportation BD by air, road or seaship? Just in case I require to get some samples BD-100, BD-20 from overseas to compare with mine. Tks. F. - Original Message - From: Saul Juliao [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Massey Ferguson tractors- OK for biodiesel? Hi Ron, I live in Canada... I don't know if MF ok's it but I use Bio-diesel in my old MF165 which has a Perkins 4 cylinder engine in it. I have had no problems with it since I started making Bio-diesel going back to April. Saul A. Juliao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I was looking at the Massey Ferguson web site and was wondering if anyone has run across the company saying it is alright for burning biodiesel in their equipment? Though MF is part of a larger company based in the US, I believe...the tractors are manufactured in Canada, correct? Would anyone living in Canada (the USA's best friend, I might add) know if MF tractors can burn biodiesl (OK'd by the manufacturer)? Thanks, Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan
Lo apoyo solidariamente a usted. ÀPodra a grosso modo explicarme cul es la ruta de su proyecto para obtener alcohol etlico y adems bio-diesel?. Francisco J. Burgos-Navarrete Ingeniero Qumico, M.Sc. Profesor Adjunto UCV Tele-fax: (58) 241-825-8728 E-m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: martin williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan Hi! My name is Juan Carlos from Tenerife and I recently tried to obtain a grant to produce the ethanol in Tenerife and the entire Canary Islands: The answer - no surprise to me (with a degree in chemistry!) At this present time we are not interested. I provided a full business plan but no-one gave my project consideration. Is there a special route I can pursue to encourage bio-fuel in Tenerife. I will look into EEC funding but I do not think I will get much help here either. Any advise? Thank you From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Business Plan Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:08:27 +0200 On 2004-09-30 07.05, Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip.. Hell. I'd like a '48 Rolls Royce. If anyone has one, would you please be so kind as to e-mail it to me? Todd Swearingen Here you go Todd, please find attached a '48 roller with compliments. Ooops sorry, forgot the group strips all attachments - shame ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
