Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Any system must have its basic reference, because without, it says nothing. The metric system was based on the standard meter etc., that is kept in Paris. From http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/metre From 1889 to 1960, the metre was defined to be the distance between two scratches in a platinum-iridium bar kept in the vault beside the Standard Kilogram at the International Bureau of Weights and Measures near Paris. This replaced an earlier definition as 10^-7 times the distance between the North Pole and the Equator along a meridian through Paris; unfortunately, this had been based on an inexact value of the circumference of the Earth. From 1960 to 1984 it was defined to be 1650763.73 wavelengths of the orange-red line of krypton-86 propagating in a vacuum. It is now defined as the length of the path traveled by light in a vacuum in the time interval of 1/299,792,458 of a second. I guess that the English system has its standard somewhere, but do not remember, London is my best guess. [snip] Probably not London as the Poms gave the emperial system away ages ago, probably somewhere at NIST, the US standards body - just a guess. Regards, Andrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Hello All, Here I measure my verse metres in feet, How's that for innovation you simply can't beat ? You can't use either or or, You have got to use both, or you are done for. You are damned if metric and damned if imperial, But with both in conjunction, you can get real. The USAns, they do them things different. No matter if the traffic is afferent or efferent. When cars keep to the left in the rest o' the world, The USAn's lips are sneering and curled. If it's left, it very ain't very bright, So all vehicles (and govts.) swerve dangerously to the Right (:-}. American football, you guessed right, is played with hands. And the spectators are regaled with cheerleaders and bands. They measure their weights in ounce and pound Causing our collective heads to spin round and round. They abhor the weighty gram the kg and the Tonne, Much as Sir George More did John Donne. As to the US bushel, is it volume or weight, I shall never know, so don't pick a fight. Why is the older Winchester favour'd, do u know, Because it's different, there you go. In gallons, they are in honour to Queen Anne bound, They are the new Imperium, sh... make no sound. Regards. balaji The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, but that is neither here nor there for the average person. You don't know how to send a rocket into space but that doesn't stop you from enjoying the stars. - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 30% Na-methylate in methanol Luc, Metric has an unhealthy obsession with the number 10. Andy On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:26:47 -0500, Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Andrew; Of course you do know that the yanks are now more confused than before eh? 1,000kg must be multiplied by 2.2 to get lbs. :-) . Of course this could be another wonderful opportunity to learn metric, the rest of the planet has. Luc - Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 30% Na-methylate in methanol Gregory Petit wrote: Hello everybody, [snip] ... ... ... Can someone tell me what MT means? English is not my mothertongue :) I only know that MT means MegaTon and it is used to say how strong explosives are, but I don't think that's what they mean ;-) Metric Ton - I suppose it's a way of descibing to Yanks what a tonne, 1000kg, is without confusing them with metric. Regards, Andrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Hello All, Measurement is accomplished through the comparison of a measurand with some known quantity of the same kind. The term weights and measures signifies those standard quantities by which such comparisons are achieved. Standard quantities may be established arbitrarily or by reference to some universal constant. Standards for different kinds of quantities may develop separately or may be integrated into logical systems of units. Originally standard measures were four in number: those for mass (weight), volume (liquid or dry measure), length, and area. To these have been added standard measurements of temperature, luminosity, pressure, electric current, and others. The earliest standard measurements appeared in the ancient Mediterranean cultures and were based on parts of the body, or on calculations of what man or beast could haul, or on the volume of containers or the area of fields in common use. The Egyptian cubit is generally recognized to have been the most widespread unit of linear measurement in the ancient world. It came into use around 3000 BC and was based on the length of the arm from the elbow to the extended finger tips. It was standardized by a royal master cubit of black granite, against which all cubit sticks in Egypt were regularly checked. One of the earliest known weight measures was the Babylonian mina. Two surviving examples vary widely-one weighs 640 g (about 1.4 pounds), the other 978 g (about 2.15 pounds). The terms ounce, inch, pound, and mile come from the Roman adoption of earlier Greek measuring units. The Roman system of measurement persisted into the Middle Ages in Europe, but there was great diversity of standards. Thereafter various national governments made efforts to standardize their systems, producing a welter of often confusing units and standards. The British Imperial and U.S. Customary are two of the most elaborate such systems. The first proposal for what would later become the metric system was made by a French clergyman, Gabriel Mouton, around 1670. He suggested a standard linear measurement based on the length of the arc of one minute of longitude on the Earth's surface and divided decimally. Mouton's proposal was much discussed and refined, but it was not until 1795 that France officially adopted the metric system. Its spread throughout the rest of Europe was accelerated by the military successes of the French Revolution and Napoleon, but in many places it took a long time to overcome the nonrational customary systems of weights and measures that had been used for centuries. Now the standard system in most nations, the metric system has been modernized to take into account 20th-century technological advances. In Paris in 1960 an international convention agreed on a new metric-based system of units. This was the Systme Internationale (SI). Six base units were adopted: the metre (length), the kilogram (mass), the second (time), the ampere (electric current), the degree Kelvin (temperature), and the candela (luminosity). Each was keyed to a standard value. The kilogram was represented by a cylinder of platinum-iridium alloy kept at the International Bureau of Weights and Measures in Svres, France, with a duplicate at the U.S. National Bureau of Standards. The kilogram is the only one of the six units represented by a physical object as a standard. In contrast, the metre was set to be 1,650,763.73 wavelengths in vacuum of the orange-red line of the spectrum of krypton-86, and the other units were related to similarly derived natural standards. Other units derived from basic SI units include the coulomb (charge), joule (energy), newton (force), hertz (frequency), watt (power), ohm (resistance), and cubic metre (volume). Copyright © 1994-2002 Encyclop¾dia Britannica, Inc. Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Hello Keith, - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements Hello Luc and all Unhealthy ? When everything is multipliable by 10 you would think that the Americans would be able to catch on no? I mean, moving around a decimal point isn't THAT hard a feat is it ? It might not be unhealthy but it's probably rather primitive, considering it's based on counting with your fingers. I can't figure it out (not even when I use my toes too), but mathematicians have said a base-12 system would be more efficient than base-10. Also 12 is a better number than 10: 3x4 is more flexible than 5x2. The Sumerians apparently had a base-12 system, of which bits and pieces still remain (dozens, 24 hours, pence until recently). Mysterious - why did they do that? The number of months in the year was more obvious to them than the fingers on their hands? (Or did they have six fingers?) With six fingers on both hands, they were probably doubly lucky to get away with it :-). The base 12 for matters temporal are more a result of seasonal changes spread over roughly twelve lunar cycles of 29 1/2 days. Also ancient traditions in astrology and astronomy, posit the solar year as the basis of a cycle of about 12 * 30 days, each named after constellations or kings. However, it is intriguing that both in Babylonian and ancient Hindu tradition the day is divided into 60 units (5 x 12) instead of 24 hours. According to the Yagnavalkya Smriti, the height of a man or woman is exactly equal to 96 (12 x 8) fingers' width taken four at a time and Prana or life force (equivalent to the Chinese chi) extends a further 12 fingers width beyond the head. The system is simple, it's easy to learn and does the job. Water freezes at zero and boils at 100. Three year olds get it, so why is it that the USA is the only country in the world that still doesn't ? It is not a question of intelligence 'cause for the most part they got plenty of that, so it has to be something else. Could be it that it is that it would not be particularly and uniquely American and would be too much like becoming a part of the world community and not trying to be the leader of it ? The later sounds an awful lot like hubris and arrogance, however it does reflect reality somewhat better than any other explanation. The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, but that is neither here nor there for the average person. With length, for instance, the de facto metric measures that are the most widely known and used are centimetres and metres. But the gap between centimetres and metres is too wide. Centimetres are often too small, inches can be more convenient, and multiples of 12 can make for more convenient packages than multiples of 100. Sure, there are the intermediate measures, but who ever uses them? Or even knows them? Did you ever try putting a one-metre ruler in your pocket? A one-foot ruler's just fine though, 30 cm. So is the gap between the litre and the KL. There is need for a volume unit equal to a pail, a bucket and a barrel. Robert mentioned this previopusly: The only problem with the metric system is that the pitch of metric threads is so narrow that bolts don't seem to have the same holding power that SAE threads have. I'm sure there are others... I think a lot of us who started off with one system and then changed to the other have ended up with a sort of hybrid, hopefully the best of both worlds. I prefer litres to gallons and grams to ounces, but if I have to pick something up or carry it, lbs still mean more to me than kgs, and miles are clearer than kms. snip Best wishes Keith Regards. balaji ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
somewhere, but do not remember, London is my best guess. [snip] Probably not London as the Poms gave the emperial system away ages ago, probably somewhere at NIST, the US standards body - just a guess. Actually, the US is a soft metric country. That is, the US first adopted the metric system in 1866 but has never restricted or prohibited the use of traditional units in areas touching the ordinary citizen. In 1893, Congress adopted the metric standards, the official meter and kilogram bars supplied by BIPM, as the standards for all measurement in the U.S. This didn't mean that metric units had to be used, but since that time the customary units have been defined officially in terms of metric standards. Currently, the foot is legally defined to be exactly 0.3048 meter and the pound is legally defined to equal exactly 453.59237 grams. from http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/usmetric.html jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, Maybe but after I finally figure out I need a 8mm tap then the clerk asks what pitch [there are 3] and I have to start all over again. I can multipy by 10 But I never had problems with NC or SAE. Jerry, Wi. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Unhealthy ? When everything is multipliable by 10 you would think that the Americans would be able to catch on no? I mean, moving around a decimal point isn't THAT hard a feat is it ? Some of us DO get it, Luc. We were supposed to convert to the SI system in 1976, but Congress got cold feet under pressure from industry and it never really happened. What we're left with is a bizarre blend of two systems that often requires us to own two sets of tools, for instance. You Canadians aren't much better. Try going into a hardware store and asking for 13 mm copper pipe! Food is often sold in the stores at a price per 100 grams, rather than by the kilo. Fuel economy up here is measured in liters per 100 km, which seems counter intuitive as I seldom drive in units of 100. This afternoon, I was searching for silicone connectors and a shop that can bend tubing for my truck's intake system. Every conversation involved inches, not centimeters, though it seems just as easy to say 4 1 / 2 centimeters as it does 2 inches. I think Keith has a good point. Some measurement systems are better suited for certain tasks. Generally, people use whatever works, but we Americans are at a disadvantage when we snub our collective noses at the SI system simply because we're not familiar with it and refuse to learn. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
- Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements Legal Eagle wrote: Unhealthy ? When everything is multipliable by 10 you would think that the Americans would be able to catch on no? I mean, moving around a decimal point isn't THAT hard a feat is it ? Some of us DO get it, Luc. We were supposed to convert to the SI system in 1976, but Congress got cold feet under pressure from industry and it never really happened. I am not at all surprised that some Americans of European decent do get it, many having come from countries or dealing with countries other than the US. What we're left with is a bizarre blend of two systems that often requires us to own two sets of tools, for instance. You Canadians aren't much better. Try going into a hardware store and asking for 13 mm copper pipe! You are absolutely correct. Plumbing and anything that is cross border manufactured/consumed is still in standard measurements. Food is often sold in the stores at a price per 100 grams, rather than by the kilo. Actually the kilo cost is usually up there along side the per 100gr cost. Fuel economy up here is measured in liters per 100 km, which seems counter intuitive as I seldom drive in units of 100. Do you drive in units of 62 ? 100 km=62 miles This afternoon, I was searching for silicone connectors and a shop that can bend tubing for my truck's intake system. Every conversation involved inches, not centimeters, though it seems just as easy to say 4 1 / 2 centimeters as it does 2 inches. It's the cross border thing again. Had Americans gotten on the metric bandwagon when everyone else did it might be different. I think Keith has a good point. Some measurement systems are better suited for certain tasks. Generally, people use whatever works, I know I do :-) but we Americans are at a disadvantage when we snub our collective noses at the SI system simply because we're not familiar with it and refuse to learn. Not only the metric system. This goes also across the board when dealing with differing cultures as well. Exclusionism isn't healthy for any peoples, and that I suppose was the intent to show and perhaps draw out this aspect.As usual, Robert, a well thought out reply. Luc robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Be glad you don't have to routinely calculate the volume of tanks. American measurement is idiotic. And while I am glad you are free to use it, I wish America would get a clue. On Jan 21, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Andrew Cunningham wrote: Have you ever tried to lift one of those little dots? And forget trying to erase it and write it in another location. Perhaps you have better pencils up in Canada but quite frequently the dot isn't completely erased and just causes confusion later. As an american, I enjoy the freedom to not use metric. Andy Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Legal Eagle wrote: Unhealthy ? When everything is multipliable by 10 you would think that the Americans would be able to catch on no? I mean, moving around a decimal point isn't THAT hard a feat is it ? Some of us DO get it, Luc. We were supposed to convert to the SI system in 1976, but Congress got cold feet under pressure from industry and it never really happened. What we're left with is a bizarre blend of two systems that often requires us to own two sets of tools, for instance. [snip] If memory serves me correctly, all of the US Departments of Transport, DoT, require all engineering plans/calculations to be in metric, things such as road alignments, bridge design etc, etc. I think this is due to the US Federal Government, Federal Highway Administration, controlling funding and they deciding that the easiest way to get people to go metric is to tie it to their funding. Something I found: The International System of Units (SI) is a modernized version of the metric system established by international agreement. The metric system of measurement was developed during the French Revolution and was first promoted in the U.S. by Thomas Jefferson. Its use was legalized in the U.S. in 1866. In 1902, proposed congressional legislation requiring the U.S. Government to use the metric system exclusively was defeated by a single vote. from http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/metrics/ Regards, Andrew Lowe -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Any system must have its basic reference, because without, it says nothing. The metric system was based on the standard meter etc., that is kept in Paris. I guess that the English system has its standard somewhere, but do not remember, London is my best guess. Now the standards are referenced to physical spectral wavelength, since it give a better accuracy and is necessary for todays finer sizes. The physical base standards had the deficit to be varying with temperature etc. and are only museum pieces today. It does not really matter which system that is used, as long as the bases and conversions are defined properly. The two systems that are widely used are the British and the French and as usual they are competing, a game were the French looks at the winner and with a clear majority of followers. Systems are necessary communication tools, but if you do a one time task and do not have a meter, you can decide on your own base. It is not much to argue about, other than maybe the mathematical benefits of the base choice for fractions of the base. The meter could easily be divided in fractions of 12, if you find it useful for some reason. A physical meter is about the same size as the base yard stick and can be divided in any base number of pieces that you prefer. Hakan At 05:21 AM 1/22/2005, you wrote: robert luis rabello wrote: Legal Eagle wrote: Unhealthy ? When everything is multipliable by 10 you would think that the Americans would be able to catch on no? I mean, moving around a decimal point isn't THAT hard a feat is it ? Some of us DO get it, Luc. We were supposed to convert to the SI system in 1976, but Congress got cold feet under pressure from industry and it never really happened. What we're left with is a bizarre blend of two systems that often requires us to own two sets of tools, for instance. [snip] If memory serves me correctly, all of the US Departments of Transport, DoT, require all engineering plans/calculations to be in metric, things such as road alignments, bridge design etc, etc. I think this is due to the US Federal Government, Federal Highway Administration, controlling funding and they deciding that the easiest way to get people to go metric is to tie it to their funding. Something I found: The International System of Units (SI) is a modernized version of the metric system established by international agreement. The metric system of measurement was developed during the French Revolution and was first promoted in the U.S. by Thomas Jefferson. Its use was legalized in the U.S. in 1866. In 1902, proposed congressional legislation requiring the U.S. Government to use the metric system exclusively was defeated by a single vote. from http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/metrics/ Regards, Andrew Lowe ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
There are some different standards in Metric threads. The 'normal' threads are all the same to 8mm, but 10mm Japanese has a different pitch to European. I think the larger ones may be different too, but I only use to 10mm on my motorcycle (a Guzzi Daytona for interested parties...Pity it can't be converted to Diesel! ( I have seen the Guzzi that has been converted, but I love V twins, particularly not of US Manufacture!) regards Doug (PS: The different thread pitches are for different jobs, much as UNC UNF threads.) On Saturday 22 January 2005 9:45, Jerry T Van Horn wrote: The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, Maybe but after I finally figure out I need a 8mm tap then the clerk asks what pitch [there are 3] and I have to start all over again. I can multipy by 10 But I never had problems with NC or SAE. Jerry, Wi. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
- Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements If memory serves me correctly, all of the US Departments of Transport, DoT, require all engineering plans/calculations to be in metric, things such as road alignments, bridge design etc, etc. I think this is due to the US Federal Government, Federal Highway Administration, controlling funding and they deciding that the easiest way to get people to go metric is to tie it to their funding. I didn't know that.Learn something new every day here. Luc Something I found: The International System of Units (SI) is a modernized version of the metric system established by international agreement. The metric system of measurement was developed during the French Revolution and was first promoted in the U.S. by Thomas Jefferson. Its use was legalized in the U.S. in 1866. In 1902, proposed congressional legislation requiring the U.S. Government to use the metric system exclusively was defeated by a single vote. from http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/metrics/ Regards, Andrew Lowe -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 21/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Lyle, I just wanted to state that all my comments on this thread have been in jest. I really don't think that decimal points are heavy and rarely use pencils. I am a chemical engineer and calculate tanks volumes. I use both systems equally. I would not say that American (not that Americans invented it) measurement is idiotic, but it is archaic. What kind of clue should America get? Andy On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:14:28 -0500, Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy, Be glad you don't have to routinely calculate the volume of tanks. American measurement is idiotic. And while I am glad you are free to use it, I wish America would get a clue. On Jan 21, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Andrew Cunningham wrote: Have you ever tried to lift one of those little dots? And forget trying to erase it and write it in another location. Perhaps you have better pencils up in Canada but quite frequently the dot isn't completely erased and just causes confusion later. As an american, I enjoy the freedom to not use metric. Andy Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements - My thoughts
I use standard and metric almost interchangeably for something's, although for others I will use one or the other almost exclusively. When dealing with wood and carpentry, I use standard almost exclusively. When doing what work I can on vehicles, I interchange. When driving, I interchange ( it's a must, because the hwy signs are in miles and my speedometer is in kilometers ). When hiking and reading maps for hiking, I use metric almost exclusively, because I know that a meter is a little more than a yard, and a kilometer is a 1000 meters.This way it put's large distances ( anything over 1 kilometer into better perspective ). When dealing with weight, I use, standard. I personally think that kilometers, should be posted on Hwy signs next to miles, that would help most Americans to start to understand some metric, even if on a subliminal level. I have one beef, with metric.There are several very common units ( like millimeter, centimeter, meter, and kilometer ), that are easy to understand, and use.On the other hand, there are also several units, that appear to be ( how shall I say it ) - almost useless and almost a waste of time ( like most of the rest of the units between centimeter and meter, and the units between meter and kilometer ).For an example:I see printed ( and hear people saying ), that something is .5 kilometers from something else - I don't hear that it is 5 hectometers..95 kilometers, not 95 dekameters ( or decameters - I have found it spelled both ways ).10 meters, not 1 dekameter ( decameter ) I just don't see the benifet of having what appears to be a units of measure that seams to exists just for the sole reasion to give a level of 10 / 1 or 1 / 10 of the next unit of measure ( up or down ).Just say 1000 m = 1 km and call it good. Greg H. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Metric measurements
Americans would be able to catch on no? I mean, moving around a decimal point isn't THAT hard a feat is it ? The system is simple, it's easy to learn and does the job. Water freezes at zero and boils at 100. Three year olds get it, so why is it that the USA is the only country in the world that still doesn't ? It is not a question of intelligence 'cause for the most part they got plenty of that, so it has to be something else. Could be it that it is that it would not be particularly and uniquely American and would be too much like becoming a part of the world community and not trying to be the leader of it ? The later sounds an awful lot like hubris and arrogance, however it does reflect reality somewhat better than any other explanation. The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, but that is neither here nor there for the average person. You don't know how to send a rocket into space but that doesn't stop you from enjoying the stars. - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 30% Na-methylate in methanol Luc, Metric has an unhealthy obsession with the number 10. Andy On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:26:47 -0500, Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Andrew; Of course you do know that the yanks are now more confused than before eh? 1,000kg must be multiplied by 2.2 to get lbs. :-) . Of course this could be another wonderful opportunity to learn metric, the rest of the planet has. Luc - Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 30% Na-methylate in methanol Gregory Petit wrote: Hello everybody, [snip] ... ... ... Can someone tell me what MT means? English is not my mothertongue :) I only know that MT means MegaTon and it is used to say how strong explosives are, but I don't think that's what they mean ;-) Metric Ton - I suppose it's a way of descibing to Yanks what a tonne, 1000kg, is without confusing them with metric. Regards, Andrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Luc, snip The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, but that is neither here nor there for the average person. One 1000th of an inch is 0.0254 milimeter. Rather coarse for machining ... We have milimeters (1/1000th of a meter) and micrometers (1/1000th of a mm). So, what's not covered by metric? You can go smaller still, we've got Angstroms. 1000's of an inch are regularly used by the average rodbuilder. But these are easily transformed into metric units. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Unhealthy ? When everything is multipliable by 10 you would think that the Americans would be able to catch on no? I mean, moving around a decimal point isn't THAT hard a feat is it ? It might not be unhealthy but it's probably rather primitive, considering it's based on counting with your fingers. I can't figure it out (not even when I use my toes too), but mathematicians have said a base-12 system would be more efficient than base-10. Also 12 is a better number than 10: 3x4 is more flexible than 5x2. The Sumerians apparently had a base-12 system, of which bits and pieces still remain (dozens, 24 hours, pence until recently). Mysterious - why did they do that? The number of months in the year was more obvious to them than the fingers on their hands? (Or did they have six fingers?) The system is simple, it's easy to learn and does the job. Water freezes at zero and boils at 100. Three year olds get it, so why is it that the USA is the only country in the world that still doesn't ? It is not a question of intelligence 'cause for the most part they got plenty of that, so it has to be something else. Could be it that it is that it would not be particularly and uniquely American and would be too much like becoming a part of the world community and not trying to be the leader of it ? The later sounds an awful lot like hubris and arrogance, however it does reflect reality somewhat better than any other explanation. The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, but that is neither here nor there for the average person. With length, for instance, the de facto metric measures that are the most widely known and used are centimetres and metres. But the gap between centimetres and metres is too wide. Centimetres are often too small, inches can be more convenient, and multiples of 12 can make for more convenient packages than multiples of 100. Sure, there are the intermediate measures, but who ever uses them? Or even knows them? Did you ever try putting a one-metre ruler in your pocket? A one-foot ruler's just fine though, 30 cm. Robert mentioned this previopusly: The only problem with the metric system is that the pitch of metric threads is so narrow that bolts don't seem to have the same holding power that SAE threads have. I'm sure there are others... I think a lot of us who started off with one system and then changed to the other have ended up with a sort of hybrid, hopefully the best of both worlds. I prefer litres to gallons and grams to ounces, but if I have to pick something up or carry it, lbs still mean more to me than kgs, and miles are clearer than kms. But to hell with all this fretful precision anyway - I still prefer the old eco-measures, where the answer to how many drams per hogshead or whatever was It depends. How long is a furlong? Hmm? http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/36267/ This foolish idea that one mile is the same as another and a kilo of feathers is the same as a kilo of lead has got us into a lot of trouble, IMNSHO. Best wishes Keith You don't know how to send a rocket into space but that doesn't stop you from enjoying the stars. - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 30% Na-methylate in methanol Luc, Metric has an unhealthy obsession with the number 10. Andy On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:26:47 -0500, Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Andrew; Of course you do know that the yanks are now more confused than before eh? 1,000kg must be multiplied by 2.2 to get lbs. :-) . Of course this could be another wonderful opportunity to learn metric, the rest of the planet has. Luc - Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 30% Na-methylate in methanol Gregory Petit wrote: Hello everybody, [snip] ... ... ... Can someone tell me what MT means? English is not my mothertongue :) I only know that MT means MegaTon and it is used to say how strong explosives are, but I don't think that's what they mean ;-) Metric Ton - I suppose it's a way of descibing to Yanks what a tonne, 1000kg, is without confusing them with metric. Regards, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Have you ever tried to lift one of those little dots? And forget trying to erase it and write it in another location. Perhaps you have better pencils up in Canada but quite frequently the dot isn't completely erased and just causes confusion later. As an american, I enjoy the freedom to not use metric. Andy On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:01:18 -0500, Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unhealthy ? When everything is multipliable by 10 you would think that the Americans would be able to catch on no? I mean, moving around a decimal point isn't THAT hard a feat is it ? The system is simple, it's easy to learn and does the job. Water freezes at zero and boils at 100. Three year olds get it, so why is it that the USA is the only country in the world that still doesn't ? It is not a question of intelligence 'cause for the most part they got plenty of that, so it has to be something else. Could be it that it is that it would not be particularly and uniquely American and would be too much like becoming a part of the world community and not trying to be the leader of it ? The later sounds an awful lot like hubris and arrogance, however it does reflect reality somewhat better than any other explanation. The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, but that is neither here nor there for the average person. You don't know how to send a rocket into space but that doesn't stop you from enjoying the stars. - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 30% Na-methylate in methanol Luc, Metric has an unhealthy obsession with the number 10. Andy On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:26:47 -0500, Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Andrew; Of course you do know that the yanks are now more confused than before eh? 1,000kg must be multiplied by 2.2 to get lbs. :-) . Of course this could be another wonderful opportunity to learn metric, the rest of the planet has. Luc - Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 30% Na-methylate in methanol Gregory Petit wrote: Hello everybody, [snip] ... ... ... Can someone tell me what MT means? English is not my mothertongue :) I only know that MT means MegaTon and it is used to say how strong explosives are, but I don't think that's what they mean ;-) Metric Ton - I suppose it's a way of descibing to Yanks what a tonne, 1000kg, is without confusing them with metric. Regards, Andrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Proving my case that unless you are in need of such finite measurements there is no practical use for them. So what was it that was tough about increments that divide by 10 ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements Luc, snip The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, but that is neither here nor there for the average person. One 1000th of an inch is 0.0254 milimeter. Rather coarse for machining ... We have milimeters (1/1000th of a meter) and micrometers (1/1000th of a mm). So, what's not covered by metric? You can go smaller still, we've got Angstroms. 1000's of an inch are regularly used by the average rodbuilder. But these are easily transformed into metric units. Cheers, Aleks ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
Have you ever tried to lift one of those little dots? And forget trying to erase it and write it in another location. Perhaps you have better pencils up in Canada but quite frequently the dot isn't completely erased and just causes confusion later. As an american, I enjoy the freedom to not use metric. Andy I think Andy has underscored the root of the issue. We, as citizens of the US, are indeed free to choose which system to use. Just as I am free to choose to purchase a disesl Ford Fiesta (http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/fiesta/-/-/-/-/-/-). And my free choice to purhase a diesel Ford Ranger is here too right (http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/ranger/-/-/-/-/-/-)? But I'm not free to choose because someone has decided that this vehicle, made by an American company, will not be sold here. But I rant... the point is, if we have the freedom to not choose metric then we also have the freedom TO choose it. And sticking to an old, out-dated system mearly because we are Americans and we can do whatever we damn well please points to our inablilty to adapt and change (even when its crutial to survival). I'm down for metric and I'm not too keen on base-12. Sounds a bit scary! hehe. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
if anyone has eaten any freedom fries lately...Time for a WVO pick up :-) Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements I think Andy has underscored the root of the issue. We, as citizens of the US, are indeed free to choose which system to use. Just as I am free to choose to purchase a disesl Ford Fiesta (http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/fiesta/-/-/-/-/-/-). And my free choice to purhase a diesel Ford Ranger is here too right (http://www.ford.co.uk/ie/ranger/-/-/-/-/-/-)? But I'm not free to choose because someone has decided that this vehicle, made by an American company, will not be sold here. But I rant... the point is, if we have the freedom to not choose metric then we also have the freedom TO choose it. And sticking to an old, out-dated system mearly because we are Americans and we can do whatever we damn well please points to our inablilty to adapt and change (even when its crutial to survival). I'm down for metric and I'm not too keen on base-12. Sounds a bit scary! hehe. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
I think I will calibrate my spedometer in furlongs per fortnight. Ought to be impressive. :) Kirk --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Luc and all Unhealthy ? When everything is multipliable by 10 you would think that the Americans would be able to catch on no? I mean, moving around a decimal point isn't THAT hard a feat is it ? It might not be unhealthy but it's probably rather primitive, considering it's based on counting with your fingers. I can't figure it out (not even when I use my toes too), but mathematicians have said a base-12 system would be more efficient than base-10. Also 12 is a better number than 10: 3x4 is more flexible than 5x2. The Sumerians apparently had a base-12 system, of which bits and pieces still remain (dozens, 24 hours, pence until recently). Mysterious - why did they do that? The number of months in the year was more obvious to them than the fingers on their hands? (Or did they have six fingers?) The system is simple, it's easy to learn and does the job. Water freezes at zero and boils at 100. Three year olds get it, so why is it that the USA is the only country in the world that still doesn't ? It is not a question of intelligence 'cause for the most part they got plenty of that, so it has to be something else. Could be it that it is that it would not be particularly and uniquely American and would be too much like becoming a part of the world community and not trying to be the leader of it ? The later sounds an awful lot like hubris and arrogance, however it does reflect reality somewhat better than any other explanation. The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, but that is neither here nor there for the average person. With length, for instance, the de facto metric measures that are the most widely known and used are centimetres and metres. But the gap between centimetres and metres is too wide. Centimetres are often too small, inches can be more convenient, and multiples of 12 can make for more convenient packages than multiples of 100. Sure, there are the intermediate measures, but who ever uses them? Or even knows them? Did you ever try putting a one-metre ruler in your pocket? A one-foot ruler's just fine though, 30 cm. Robert mentioned this previopusly: The only problem with the metric system is that the pitch of metric threads is so narrow that bolts don't seem to have the same holding power that SAE threads have. I'm sure there are others... I think a lot of us who started off with one system and then changed to the other have ended up with a sort of hybrid, hopefully the best of both worlds. I prefer litres to gallons and grams to ounces, but if I have to pick something up or carry it, lbs still mean more to me than kgs, and miles are clearer than kms. But to hell with all this fretful precision anyway - I still prefer the old eco-measures, where the answer to how many drams per hogshead or whatever was It depends. How long is a furlong? Hmm? http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/36267/ This foolish idea that one mile is the same as another and a kilo of feathers is the same as a kilo of lead has got us into a lot of trouble, IMNSHO. Best wishes Keith You don't know how to send a rocket into space but that doesn't stop you from enjoying the stars. - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 30% Na-methylate in methanol Luc, Metric has an unhealthy obsession with the number 10. Andy On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:26:47 -0500, Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Andrew; Of course you do know that the yanks are now more confused than before eh? 1,000kg must be multiplied by 2.2 to get lbs. :-) . Of course this could be another wonderful opportunity to learn metric, the rest of the planet has. Luc - Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 30% Na-methylate in methanol Gregory Petit wrote: Hello everybody, [snip] ... ... ... Can someone tell me what MT means? English is not my mothertongue :) I only know that MT means MegaTon and it is used to say how strong explosives are, but I don't think that's what they mean ;-) Metric Ton - I suppose it's a way of descibing to Yanks what a tonne, 1000kg, is without confusing them with metric. Regards, Andrew ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
