date:20130720


On 2013-07-20 08:16, James Mast wrote:

I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short
links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to
get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and
slowing down work for me. :(


I agree to that. What's more: the map moves to the right when the 
sidebar closes after you click on the link, giving you a different map 
than you were looking at.

It is not an improvement.

Maarten

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls


On 2013-07-20 10:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

James Mast wrote:
I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down
work for me. :(

Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, but for the benefit 
of

those reading here:

The View tab does the same as the Permalink button. Exactly the same. 
Always

has. So you can right-click/copy the permalink from there.


It does not do here. When I open the map it says 
http://www.openstreetmap.org in the address bar.



I believe the real-soon-now intention is to have the URL continuously
updating as you pan around the map (which is possible with JavaScript 
these

days).


Why not implemented that first then. Now we will have to wait if and 
when that happens and have an akward way of getting a permalink.


Regards,
Maarten


___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Mikel Maron

  the map moves to the right when the  sidebar closes after you click on the 
link, giving you a different map 
 than you were looking at.

 It is not an improvement.

Sounds more like a simple bug report, and something simple to fix,
 than a reason for a flat condemnation.

Perspective!

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron



 From: Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl
To: talk@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls
 

On 2013-07-20 08:16, James Mast wrote:
 I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short
 links to the map location behind buttons. Instead of just one click to
 get the map location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and
 slowing down work for me. :(

I agree to that. What's more: the map moves to the right when the 
sidebar closes after you click on the link, giving you a different map 
than you were looking at.
It is not an improvement.

Maarten

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk


___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

On 2013-07-20 11:29, Paul Norman wrote:

From: Andrew Errington [mailto:erringt...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:42 PM
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

I also didn't see any consultation on this topic.  Just another fait
accompli.

The pull request and automatic mail to the list went out 11 days ago. A 
test

Which list?

site on the dev server was set up. People commented, changes to the new 
UI

were made. This was all done in the open and anyone could comment.

Before that I believe there was a posting to the talk list, and before 
that
many people brought it up as a feature they'd like to see out of 
samen's

presentation.

I haven't seen that posting. Can you point it out for me please?
I must say, I have not heard anything about any discussion about this. I 
admit, I do not read all lists so it may be on some other list than 
talk.

Regards,
Maarten

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega

On Sábado, 20 de julio de 2013 10:55:58 Mikel Maron escribió:
 I miss the white lines on blurry Landsat background. So simple and elegant.
 Can someone set that up and make it an option in the layer switcher? ;) 

Those were the times :-D

-- 
--
Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es i...@geonerd.org

Un ordenador no es un televisor ni un microondas, es una herramienta compleja.

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Andrew Errington

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:39:18 Richard Fairhurst wrote:
 Andrew Errington wrote:
  Also, my proposal for including
  a markerlink has not been taken up.

 Yet. Rome wasn't built in a day.

  I also didn't see any consultation on this topic.  Just another
  fait accompli.

 Hey Andrew, I noticed you did some edits to the map the other day. That's
 fine, but you didn't give everyone a chance to comment on them before doing
 them. I think some of the tagging you used could have been improved, and
 your geometry is a bit off. Also, that road was arguably a highway=track,
 surface=asphalt, but you tagged it as highway=service. Please make sure to
 carry out full consultation before doing any edits. You just did them as a
 fait accompli and I think that's wrong.

 ...Exactly.

Not entirely.  I do get your point, but if you are not happy with my work then 
feel free to correct it.  It is a do-ocracy after all.  Except for some 
things.  If it really was a do-ocracy I'd turn on the zoom slider and 
implement a markerlink.

 These things are discussed, and discussed openly. It's just that the forum
 for discussion is not the bearpit that is talk@ (with good reason); that,
 pretty obviously, we don't wait to get the approval of every single OSM
 user before deploying; that we sometimes deploy in-progress work rather
 than waiting for every little detail to be fixed; and that we sometimes
 make changes that some people will never like.

We could at least have had an announcement.

 Because otherwise, the site would never change at all, and we'd still be on
 the Java applet (pre-Potlatch 1) with some barely legible white lines on a
 blurry Landsat background. At the same time as you're posting sceptically
 on this list, SteveC is moaning on Twitter about it being too little, too
 late (bit odd that a founding father spends so much time publicly slagging
 off his project, but there you go, everyone loves him for it). You simply
 can't keep everyone happy.

 OSM works because we trust that talented people will do amazing things. OSM
 trusts you, as a talented mapper, to make good edits in your area. OSM
 trusts the talented developers and sysadmins to do good things with the
 site and the hardware. Some things will happen which are not 100% to your
 liking. Learn to deal with it.

Don't get me wrong, I am very happy with how OSM is progressing, and I realise 
that such a large project must necessarily move with fits and starts, but I 
reserve the right to state my opinion, positively or negatively.

 Because the alternative is that, every time you make an edit, Andrew, you
 get 30 complaining mails saying well I'd have done it differently, you
 should have asked me first. The effect is that you give up editing.
 Believe me: I have some pretty obvious first-hand experience of this.

I'd be very happy if someone who knows better would come along and tell me the 
best way to do it.  Until then I'll continue as best I can.

Best wishes,

Andrew

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Andrew Errington

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 17:25:27 Richard Fairhurst wrote:
 James Mast wrote:
  I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
  long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
  Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
  it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down
  work for me. :(

 Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, but for the benefit of
 those reading here:

 The View tab does the same as the Permalink button. Exactly the same.
 Always has. So you can right-click/copy the permalink from there.

That's very cool.  I did not know that.  I probably missed it in the other 
three places you mentioned it too, so I added it to the Wiki in case others 
missed it as well.

Best wishes,

Andrew

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis

2013-07-20 Thread Johan C

-1 for use of the word muggle, I prefer 'potential community members'.

For instance, as a JOSM user I don't need Potlatch or Id. And they do use
up bandwidth and user support. I'm very happy though to be part of a
community that has a rich culture of users/developers/mappers with a
different perspective than I have, and thus created these editors for less
experienced mappers.


2013/7/20 Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com

 +1 for use of the word muggle
 On Jul 20, 2013 1:47 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:



 On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Guillaume Pratte 
 guilla...@guillaumepratte.net wrote:

 Hello,

 I have been a serious user of OpenStreetMap for less than six months,
 and I am proud to recently have achieved my one hundredth contribution to
 the project. I really love the OpenStreetMap project, and I would like to
 replace my daily usage of Google Maps with OpenStreetMap.

 But it just seems I cannot. Anybody else feel the same issues?


 I feel the same issues. But at the same time I think it unwise to try and
 play catch-me-if-you-can with Google.
 There are many tasks where OSM is better than Google Maps.  I use OSM
 gladly for things like:

 * Natural area trail maps or tracking.
 * Non-commercial POIs (e.g. toilets, drinking water, viewpoints, tourist
 oddities, fun stuff)
 * Detailed maps in pedestrian zones.
 * Printing
 * Mapping fun.

 

 To date OSM is run by a group of mappers that caters to mappers. There is
 an unlikely but burning desire to somehow turn more ordinary muggles into
 mappers.  It is as if the map was meant to be made, not used:
 and it's working.  Of the people I talk to and show OpenStreetMap, the
 vast majority have never even heard of it, and that includes land
 management, GIS professionals, teachers and engineers all who could in
 theory be interested.

 What would drive more mapping would in fact be more passive users: some
 percentage will survive the test of fire on the tagging list and become
 mappers.  OSM could offer high quality print exports, or
 one-click embeddable maps, or a dozen other compelling services.  But
 someone would have to pay for all that bandwidth and user support, in order
 to glean a few more true believer mappers.

 ___
 talk mailing list
 talk@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk


 ___
 talk mailing list
 talk@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk


___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

Am 20.07.2013 01:38, schrieb Dave F.:
 On 20/07/2013 00:22, Toby Murray wrote:
 You aren't in the #osm IRC channel, are you :)
 
 No. I can't stand the cliquey, unilateral time zone defined exclusion of
 that. I prefer to discuss with *all* in *all* timezones. A while back a
 decision was made to change something in OSM (apologies, I fail to
 remember what) It turned out it was decided upon in a couple of hours by
 a select few in the European time zone. A poor way to conduct business.
 

 Turns out, yes... they are still used. It was actually interesting to
 watch a coworker who doesn't know much about online maps interacting
 with osm.org http://osm.org. This was a month or so ago. They
 actually used the pan controls instead of dragging the map. I was kind
 of amazed :)
 
 Right, but it doesn't *have* to be used. In this instance it was lack of
 knowledge. If the controls weren't there they'd find out the better way
 to do it.
Or they would fail to use the feature.
Please think about notebook touchpad users when they don't have a mouse
currently nor a touchscreen, too - there you NEED these controls. (For
me that's sometimes the case, not at my own desk of course)

Regards
Peter

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

Am 20.07.2013 11:53, schrieb Maarten Deen:
 On 2013-07-20 10:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
 James Mast wrote:
 I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
 long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
 Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
 it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down
 work for me. :(

 Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, but for the benefit of
 those reading here:

 The View tab does the same as the Permalink button. Exactly the same.
 Always
 has. So you can right-click/copy the permalink from there.
 
 It does not do here. When I open the map it says
 http://www.openstreetmap.org in the address bar.
 
 I believe the real-soon-now intention is to have the URL continuously
 updating as you pan around the map (which is possible with JavaScript
 these
 days).
 
 Why not implemented that first then. Now we will have to wait if and
 when that happens and have an akward way of getting a permalink.
I had to search for what Richard meant with View Tab, in German it's
Karte (Map), but there he's right: clicking on it is in fact the same
as the previous Permanent-Link in the bottom.
Nevertheless one has to know it is or to know what the permanent link
should look like.

In general I hope the Share-Box is far from final yet with respect on
it's content, as even there one has to KNOW that the link behind Long
Link and short link is the one to copy; especially as they behave
differently on click: Following Long Link allows me to copy the link
from the address bar, Following Short Link does not allow to copy the
SHORT link from there, as it's directly forwarded to the long link there.
In both cases a box might be better showing the link on the page itself.

But hey - except of the missing zoom-level indication I think it's
definitively a step in the right direction, so thanks to all involved,
and I'm happy to see more and more cool stuff on the osm page in the
future ;)

regards
Peter

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls


On 2013-07-20 13:35, Peter Wendorff wrote:

Am 20.07.2013 11:53, schrieb Maarten Deen:
On 2013-07-20 10:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
James Mast wrote:
I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down
work for me. :(

Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere, but for the benefit 
of

those reading here:

The View tab does the same as the Permalink button. Exactly the same.
Always
has. So you can right-click/copy the permalink from there.

It does not do here. When I open the map it says
http://www.openstreetmap.org in the address bar.

I believe the real-soon-now intention is to have the URL continuously
updating as you pan around the map (which is possible with JavaScript
these
days).

Why not implemented that first then. Now we will have to wait if and
when that happens and have an akward way of getting a permalink.
I had to search for what Richard meant with View Tab, in German it's
Karte (Map), but there he's right: clicking on it is in fact the same
as the previous Permanent-Link in the bottom.
Nevertheless one has to know it is or to know what the permanent link
should look like.


Ah yes, I see that now too. I never saw that feature before. That is 
quite handy, even though, as you say, you have to know it is there.


Maarten


___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Paul Norman

Whoops - resending to the right talk@ list

 From: Maarten Deen [mailto:md...@xs4all.nl]
 Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 2:57 AM
 To: talk@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

 On 2013-07-20 11:29, Paul Norman wrote:
  From: Andrew Errington [mailto:erringt...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:42 PM
  To: talk@openstreetmap.org
  Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

  I also didn't see any consultation on this topic.  Just another fait 
  accompli.

  The pull request and automatic mail to the list went out 11 days ago.
  A test

 Which list?

All rails port pull requests and issues automatically goes to the rails-dev@
list, which is the list for discussion of rails port (web site)
development
If you prefer a format other than email, I believe if you watch the repo 
(where the source is) though github you can get all the updates.

  site on the dev server was set up. People commented, changes to the 
  new UI were made. This was all done in the open and anyone could 
  comment.

  Before that I believe there was a posting to the talk list, and 
  before that many people brought it up as a feature they'd like to 
  see out of samen's presentation.

 I haven't seen that posting. Can you point it out for me please?
 I must say, I have not heard anything about any discussion about this. 
 I admit, I do not read all lists so it may be on some other list than 
 talk.

http://lists.osm.org/pipermail/talk/2013-July/067499.html (in reply to
Andrew Errington)

Also of note is two posts later a link to
https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/98601/778982/12bfaae4-e9c1-11e2-8afa-826d2
5c371cb.png 
which outlines additional UI changes that are already under development 
that deal with Andrew's complaints

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

On 2013-07-20 12:33, Paul Norman wrote:

From: Maarten Deen [mailto:md...@xs4all.nl]
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 2:57 AM
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

On 2013-07-20 11:29, Paul Norman wrote:
 From: Andrew Errington [mailto:erringt...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 11:42 PM
 To: talk@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

 I also didn't see any consultation on this topic.  Just another fait
 accompli.

 The pull request and automatic mail to the list went out 11 days ago.
 A test

Which list?

All rails port pull requests and issues automatically goes to the 
rails-dev@

list, which is the list for discussion of rails port (web site)
development

If you prefer a format other than email, I believe if you watch the 
repo

(where
the source is) though github you can get all the updates.

 site on the dev server was set up. People commented, changes to the
 new UI were made. This was all done in the open and anyone could
 comment.

 Before that I believe there was a posting to the talk list, and before
 that many people brought it up as a feature they'd like to see out of
 samen's presentation.

I haven't seen that posting. Can you point it out for me please?
I must say, I have not heard anything about any discussion about this. 
I

admit, I do not read all lists so it may be on some other list than
talk.

http://lists.osm.org/pipermail/talk/2013-July/067499.html (in reply to
Andrew Errington)

Okay, so you even have to read all threads, even if you don't find them 
insteresting anymore...

Maarten

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Lester Caine


Andrew Errington wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:16:10 James Mast wrote:

I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the long/short links to
the map location behind buttons.  Instead of just one click to get the map
location, now it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down work
for me.:(

-James

I miss the zoom slider, and I also agree that permalink should remain on
top, accessible with one click.  Also, my proposal for including
a markerlink has not been taken up.
The links have always had a few ways of picking them up and trying to interpret 
scale from the scale bar is not as intuitive as the zoom bar. But my problem is 
using the map now on my Galaxy4 phone. I use landscape and only the top 4 
buttons are accessible. But then a lot of applications seem to ignore the 
problem of smaller rotatable displays :( Sliding the map around conflicts with 
zooming the screen to SEE the controls!


FORTUNATELY I have my own copy of the older style viewer still running so if 
people want access contact me off list ;) I'm targeting the UK so including a 
few more layers



I also didn't see any consultation on this topic.  Just another fait accompli.

I seem to have missed that this was even being discussed so you are not alone!


And there's no attribution.
It would be nice since the other tile layers have attribution that the osm 
sourced tiles had a similar tag if only to educate users!


--
Lester Caine - G8HFL
-
Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact
L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk
EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/
Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk
Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] (no subject)

2013-07-20 Thread Suphachai Prommuang


___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis

2013-07-20 Thread Clifford Snow

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote:

 To date OSM is run by a group of mappers that caters to mappers. There is
 an unlikely but burning desire to somehow turn more ordinary muggles into
 mappers.  It is as if the map was meant to be made, not used:
 and it's working.  Of the people I talk to and show OpenStreetMap, the
 vast majority have never even heard of it, and that includes land
 management, GIS professionals, teachers and engineers all who could in
 theory be interested.

 What would drive more mapping would in fact be more passive users: some
 percentage will survive the test of fire on the tagging list and become
 mappers.  OSM could offer high quality print exports, or
 one-click embeddable maps, or a dozen other compelling services.  But
 someone would have to pay for all that bandwidth and user support, in order
 to glean a few more true believer mappers.


I think you just created OSM new tag line, OSM is meant to be made, not
used

Adding muggle useable features would certainly be a step in the
right direction.


-- 
Clifford

OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch
___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis

2013-07-20 Thread Joseph Reeves

I've not followed this thread too closely, but arguably OSM is meant to be
made not used. Nobody should use OSM on a daily basis; that's what MapQuest
Open, MapBox et al are for.

Using OSM on a daily basis would be like trying to read a dictionary as
your only book: all the words are there, but the story is rubbish.

/Devil's Advocate
On 20 Jul 2013 16:16, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:


 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote:

 To date OSM is run by a group of mappers that caters to mappers. There is
 an unlikely but burning desire to somehow turn more ordinary muggles into
 mappers.  It is as if the map was meant to be made, not used:
 and it's working.  Of the people I talk to and show OpenStreetMap, the
 vast majority have never even heard of it, and that includes land
 management, GIS professionals, teachers and engineers all who could in
 theory be interested.

 What would drive more mapping would in fact be more passive users: some
 percentage will survive the test of fire on the tagging list and become
 mappers.  OSM could offer high quality print exports, or
 one-click embeddable maps, or a dozen other compelling services.  But
 someone would have to pay for all that bandwidth and user support, in order
 to glean a few more true believer mappers.


 I think you just created OSM new tag line, OSM is meant to be made, not
 used

 Adding muggle useable features would certainly be a step in the
 right direction.


 --
 Clifford

 OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch

 ___
 talk mailing list
 talk@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk


___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis

2013-07-20 Thread Johan C

Nobody should use OSM on a daily basis

Oops, than I'm nobody. I use OSM data and one of the reference views of
this data (Mapnik on osm.org) on a daily basis. That makes me a heavy user.
And contributor, because the use of OSM data (mkgmap, thanks to the
developers of this nice program and Geofabrik for their extracts) gives me
feedback on routing errors. The map on osm.org is very handy to see the
gaps in the data, like the routing errors I run in to, missing roads or
POI's. By using JOSM, which uses a view of a certain area, I'm enabled to
contribute, that is updating the records in the database, as in this
Wikipedia article: :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_entry_clerk (though
I'm not so pretty as the woman on the photo)


2013/7/20 Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com

 I've not followed this thread too closely, but arguably OSM is meant to be
 made not used. Nobody should use OSM on a daily basis; that's what MapQuest
 Open, MapBox et al are for.

 Using OSM on a daily basis would be like trying to read a dictionary as
 your only book: all the words are there, but the story is rubbish.

 /Devil's Advocate
 On 20 Jul 2013 16:16, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:


 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.comwrote:

 To date OSM is run by a group of mappers that caters to mappers. There
 is an unlikely but burning desire to somehow turn more ordinary muggles
 into mappers.  It is as if the map was meant to be made, not used:
 and it's working.  Of the people I talk to and show OpenStreetMap, the
 vast majority have never even heard of it, and that includes land
 management, GIS professionals, teachers and engineers all who could in
 theory be interested.

 What would drive more mapping would in fact be more passive users: some
 percentage will survive the test of fire on the tagging list and become
 mappers.  OSM could offer high quality print exports, or
 one-click embeddable maps, or a dozen other compelling services.  But
 someone would have to pay for all that bandwidth and user support, in order
 to glean a few more true believer mappers.


 I think you just created OSM new tag line, OSM is meant to be made, not
 used

 Adding muggle useable features would certainly be a step in the
 right direction.


 --
 Clifford

 OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch

 ___
 talk mailing list
 talk@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk


 ___
 talk mailing list
 talk@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk


___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page

2013-07-20 Thread Rob Nickerson

Hi All,

As noted the map controls have recently changed on the main osm.org page.
On the talk@ mailing list there was a few comments stating that it would
have been nice to have been asked/consulted first.

The changes were in fact announced and stem from Saman's SOTM US talk
(slides [1], video [2]). This map controls update was one small part of
Saman's  suggested changes to OSM.org and was visible as a Pull Request
[3] and discussed on rails-dev@ [4].

I advise that you look at Saman's SOTM US slides and video for an sneak
peak of possible future changes (note that I do not know which features are
still being developed). There will also be an update to the proposed
changes during SOTM 2013 [5] (September, Birmingham UK) of which videos
will be made available if you are unable to attend.

Personally, I'm loving the work Saman (and team) is doing - there are some
really nice ideas shown in his slides.

Regards,
Rob


PLEASE, do NOT flood our developers with negative comments. They put a lot
of hard work into OSM.org (and associated services) and the simple fact is
that you will not always please everyone. If you have genuine comments of
feedback I suggest that you take time to collate and consider your ideas
before posting.

Finally, a few other things to note:

* With over 1 million registered users it is impossible to please everyone.
Please put things into perspective before replying with negative comments.
Also consideration of the amount of development time is always appreciated.

* OSM has numerous communication channels (too many maybe). Where would you
stop if it was decided to post announcements to the community. Furthermore
as the OSM Foundation did not ask for permission to send email to
registered users they cannot therefore push notifications to all users
(rather users will need to read the communication channels that interest
them).


[1] http://samanpwbb.github.io/osm-redesign/new-osm-slides.html#0
[2]
http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68093877
[3] https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/328
[4] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/rails-dev/2013-July/002639.html
[5] http://2013.stateofthemap.org/
___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page

2013-07-20 Thread Rob Nickerson

I should add that this change lays the foundations for making new feature
available. For example a URL link including marker (the mlat and mlon
stuff). This can be seen here:

https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/328#issuecomment-21197529

Best,
Rob
___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page

2013-07-20 Thread Clifford Snow

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Rob Nickerson
rob.j.nicker...@gmail.comwrote:

 Personally, I'm loving the work Saman (and team) is doing - there are some
 really nice ideas shown in his slides.


I agree it looks elegant. I can't wait to see him implement the rest of his
proposals.


-- 
Clifford

OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch
___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page

2013-07-20 Thread Johannes Kröger

 Where would you
 stop if it was decided to post announcements to the community.

http://blog.openstreetmap.org/ would be the perfect news channel. It
allows passive and active participation without the need of
registering or installing specific software. You can point anyone at it
and they see a normal website. You can add it to your feed reader or
bookmarks and follow anything important going on.

It would just need to be linked to on the homepage.

As a user it is impossible to follow all the channels. If you decide to
follow everything you get overwhelmed by a lot of technical jargon you
don't understand, noise that you as dumb user don't need to
understand (bug reports/discussion for example) and lots of pointless
bikeshedding. And if you were still receptive, then you might still not
know what ends up being implemented.

Asking not to flood developers with negative comments (or any kind
really) is orthogonal with suggesting everyone to directly follow
development on github and -dev mailinglists!

I am with OSM for 5 years and I do not fully know who is responsible
for things, who has the final words on other things. I often see names
reappear here and there, and over time I got some ideas but it would be
really nice to just have an overview of the actual executive teams of
those parts of OSM that not everyone can edit.

Apart from the missing zoom bar and the non-descript icons I really
like the redesign so please don't get me wrong! But I have no idea
where, when and by whom it was decided to build/use it. Granted, I have
not watched the video from SOTMUS yet, maybe it is mentioned in it.
Maybe I overread it in the slides (with their obnoxiously huge text,
anti-readable on a monitor). Maybe it was suggested and planned a long
time ago and I just forgot about it.

The blog seems like the perfect place to be the main communication
channel to the community for those in charge.

Cheers, Hannes

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page

2013-07-20 Thread Tom MacWright

Hi there,

 I am with OSM for 5 years and I do not fully know who is responsible
for things, who has the final words on other things. I often see names
reappear here and there, and over time I got some ideas but it would be
really nice to just have an overview of the actual executive teams of
those parts of OSM that not everyone can edit.

There are no executive teams. This push was John, Saman, and myself. Nobody
appointed us, we just did it. Tom Hughes (TomH) pushes the merge button and
makes sure nothing blows up when he does, apart from the community.
Previous changes have looked the same: a few people work on a patch, the
community discusses it, and if there's some modicum of agreement it goes
forward via the people-who-touch-the-server-directly, which in the case of
the website, is TomH.

Cheers,

Tom, author of the presentation system that does the obnoxiously huge
anti-readable text


On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Johannes Kröger 
johannes.kroe...@hcu-hamburg.de wrote:

  Where would you
  stop if it was decided to post announcements to the community.

 http://blog.openstreetmap.org/ would be the perfect news channel. It
 allows passive and active participation without the need of
 registering or installing specific software. You can point anyone at it
 and they see a normal website. You can add it to your feed reader or
 bookmarks and follow anything important going on.

 It would just need to be linked to on the homepage.

 As a user it is impossible to follow all the channels. If you decide to
 follow everything you get overwhelmed by a lot of technical jargon you
 don't understand, noise that you as dumb user don't need to
 understand (bug reports/discussion for example) and lots of pointless
 bikeshedding. And if you were still receptive, then you might still not
 know what ends up being implemented.

 Asking not to flood developers with negative comments (or any kind
 really) is orthogonal with suggesting everyone to directly follow
 development on github and -dev mailinglists!

 I am with OSM for 5 years and I do not fully know who is responsible
 for things, who has the final words on other things. I often see names
 reappear here and there, and over time I got some ideas but it would be
 really nice to just have an overview of the actual executive teams of
 those parts of OSM that not everyone can edit.

 Apart from the missing zoom bar and the non-descript icons I really
 like the redesign so please don't get me wrong! But I have no idea
 where, when and by whom it was decided to build/use it. Granted, I have
 not watched the video from SOTMUS yet, maybe it is mentioned in it.
 Maybe I overread it in the slides (with their obnoxiously huge text,
 anti-readable on a monitor). Maybe it was suggested and planned a long
 time ago and I just forgot about it.

 The blog seems like the perfect place to be the main communication
 channel to the community for those in charge.

 Cheers, Hannes

 ___
 talk mailing list
 talk@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page

2013-07-20 Thread Johannes Kröger

Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org schrieb:
Cheers,

Tom, author of the presentation system that does the obnoxiously huge
anti-readable text 

That was some silly and unrelated passive aggressive nonsense, sorry. I was 
trying to read through the presentation on my desktop and gave up. Didn't mean 
to bash the style universally, it looks fun for actually presenting on a big 
screen (where obnoxiously huge means well readable from anywhere). ___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Tom MacWright

Hi James,

That issue has been reported and is being worked on:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/356


On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:

 On 20/07/2013 12:57, Paul Norman wrote:

 Whoops - resending to the right talk@ list


 Which list?

 All rails port pull requests and issues automatically goes to the
 rails-dev@
 list, which is the list for discussion of rails port (web site)
 development
 If you prefer a format other than email, I believe if you watch the repo
 (where the source is) though github you can get all the updates.


 Rails port pull requests?!?! wtf.

 How about posting it to a real world, end user forum that speaks in
 English? And also not to an instant chat one that only certain people, in
 certain time zones, can see.

 I really think some developers are living in their own world.

 Dave F.



 __**_
 talk mailing list
 talk@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Bringing new life to the OSM.org front page

2013-07-20 Thread Rob Nickerson

1) The map controls change was publicised on the blog on the 19th (at the
time of the change):
http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2013/07/19/new-map-control/

2) The Communications Working Group is currently looking for help - why not
join them:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2013-July/002185.html

3) There is a list of Admins. Although don't forget though that OSM has no
Executive Team or paid employees. If you want something changing then
code it yourself and put a pull request in to the Admins.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Admins

4) And I disagree with you. It is possible to follow the dev channels and
not flood the developers with comments. You simply have to pick your
fights. If something is only a small issue for you, or you can understand
the greater benefit to others, then let it be. If however you spot a
significant and major issues then by all means please alert the developers
to this in a constructive manner (suggesting fixes, or better still
providing code).

Rob

p.s. I do generally agree that Comms is a weakness with OSM. I can spend
way too long reading the mailing lists + blogs + etc.. :-(
___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread James Mast

Good to know that.  Hope it can be fixed soon as I don't like having to add a 
second comment to the note, just to subscribe myself to it for e-mail updates. 
(At least the follow-up comment part is still working when you're logged in.)
 
Anyways,  I had already submitted a ticket on Trac before your e-mail arrived.  
I bet TomH will probably mark it as a duplicate very soon. lol.
 
-James
 
From: t...@macwright.org
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 19:09:27 -0400
To: dave...@madasafish.com
CC: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

Hi James,
That issue has been reported and is being worked on: 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/356





On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:


On 20/07/2013 12:57, Paul Norman wrote:


Whoops - resending to the right talk@ list






Which list?


All rails port pull requests and issues automatically goes to the rails-dev@

list, which is the list for discussion of rails port (web site)

development

If you prefer a format other than email, I believe if you watch the repo

(where the source is) though github you can get all the updates.






Rails port pull requests?!?! wtf.



How about posting it to a real world, end user forum that speaks in English? 
And also not to an instant chat one that only certain people, in certain time 
zones, can see.



I really think some developers are living in their own world.



Dave F.





___

talk mailing list

talk@openstreetmap.org

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk




___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
  ___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Paul Norman

 From: Maarten Deen [mailto:md...@xs4all.nl]
 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

  http://lists.osm.org/pipermail/talk/2013-July/067499.html (in reply to
  Andrew Errington)

 Okay, so you even have to read all threads, even if you don't find them
 insteresting anymore...

My original reply was to Andrew complaint's. I think it's entirely
reasonable 
to expect someone to read messages sent directly to them in reply to an
earlier
message by them.

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Dave F.


On 20/07/2013 09:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

James Mast wrote:

I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down
work for me. :(

Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere,


Why wasn't it mentioned in the link from the tweet? 
http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2013/07/19/new-map-control/


Actually why wasn't any of the instructions mentioned in the link?
I see there's a video presentation, but really, at 26 minutes long, who 
has the time  patience or bandwidth to wade through that? #real_world


I've just listened to the first three minutes of it. A classic example 
of why programmers shouldn't present/explain/write help files for their 
own programs. Again #real_world.


Dave F.

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Tom MacWright

Hi Dave,

Please be civil, we're all trying our best to be nice and make progress
here. It's inappropriate to start ad-hominem attacking developers,
especially in the case of Saman - who is in fact a designer, not to mention
a real person, in the real world, with actual emotions.

Thanks,

Tom

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:

On 20/07/2013 09:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

James Mast wrote:

I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down
work for me. :(

Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere,

Why wasn't it mentioned in the link from the tweet?
http://blog.openstreetmap.org/**2013/07/19/new-map-control/http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2013/07/19/new-map-control/

Actually why wasn't any of the instructions mentioned in the link?
I see there's a video presentation, but really, at 26 minutes long, who
has the time patience or bandwidth to wade through that? #real_world

I've just listened to the first three minutes of it. A classic example of
why programmers shouldn't present/explain/write help files for their own
programs. Again #real_world.

Dave F.

__**_
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Jason Remillard

I just watched all 30 minutes of the video. I am a professional
software engineer, the designer seemed extremely competent. Because of
the presentation, I trust that the people working on his know what
they are doing and I am very excited to see what comes next. Please
lets give them some space to work. This is just the first step

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
 On 20/07/2013 09:25, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

 James Mast wrote:

 I'm personally not liking that they now have hidden the
 long/short links to the map location behind buttons.
 Instead of just one click to get the map location, now
 it's two clicks and is really annoying and slowing down
 work for me. :(

 Ok, I've said this at least three times elsewhere,


 Why wasn't it mentioned in the link from the tweet?
 http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2013/07/19/new-map-control/

 Actually why wasn't any of the instructions mentioned in the link?
 I see there's a video presentation, but really, at 26 minutes long, who has
 the time  patience or bandwidth to wade through that? #real_world

 I've just listened to the first three minutes of it. A classic example of
 why programmers shouldn't present/explain/write help files for their own
 programs. Again #real_world.

 Dave F.


 ___
 talk mailing list
 talk@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Dave F.


Hello Tom

I reject  mildly resent your criticism that I made an ad hominem 
attack. I know nothing personally of this man. My criticisms are based 
purely on his inability to communicate clearly. As the primary reason 
for his lecture was to explain the new layout I feel perfectly entitled 
to point out his failings.


 http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad-hominem

You appear to believe that as he has emotions, he is above criticism. 
Strange.


Dave F.

On 21/07/2013 01:42, Tom MacWright wrote:

Hi Dave,

Please be civil, we're all trying our best to be nice and make 
progress here. It's inappropriate to start ad-hominem attacking 
developers, especially in the case of Saman - who is in fact a 
designer, not to mention a real person, in the real world, with actual 
emotions.


Thanks,

Tom





___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Kathleen Danielson

My criticisms are based purely on his inability to communicate clearly.

Dave,

As you say, you know nothing personally of this man, and yet you have
discerned he is unable to communicate? Saman is not above criticism.
However, we, as a community, are above sweeping statements such as the ones
you have made. Constructive feedback is a vital part of progress, but
please be more considerate of your fellow community members who are working
hard to make OpenStreetMap.org a more useful tool for everyone when you
disparage not just their work, but them personally.

In addition, if you are going to take this route, please be sure to focus
your responses on ideas and products put forth, and do not make character
attacks. Having watched a video of a presentation does not entitle you or
anyone to point out a person's failings.

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:

Hello Tom

I reject mildly resent your criticism that I made an ad hominem attack.
I know nothing personally of this man. My criticisms are based purely on
his inability to communicate clearly. As the primary reason for his lecture
was to explain the new layout I feel perfectly entitled to point out his
failings.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/**ad-hominemhttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad-hominem

You appear to believe that as he has emotions, he is above criticism.
Strange.

Dave F.

On 21/07/2013 01:42, Tom MacWright wrote:

Hi Dave,

Thanks,

Tom

__**_
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-20 Thread Dave F.


My reply is going private as it's now OT.

On 21/07/2013 02:17, Kathleen Danielson wrote:


My criticisms are based purely on his inability to communicate
clearly.


Dave,

As you say, you know nothing personally of this man, and yet you have 
discerned he is unable to communicate? Saman is not above criticism. 
However, we, as a community, are above sweeping statements such as the 
ones you have made. Constructive feedback is a vital part of progress, 
but please be more considerate of your fellow community members who 
are working hard to make OpenStreetMap.org a more useful tool for 
everyone when you disparage not just their work, but them personally.


In addition, if you are going to take this route, please be sure to 
focus your responses on ideas and products put forth, and do not make 
character attacks. Having watched a video of a presentation does not 
entitle you or anyone to point out a person's failings.



On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com 
mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote:


Hello Tom

I reject  mildly resent your criticism that I made an ad hominem
attack. I know nothing personally of this man. My criticisms are
based purely on his inability to communicate clearly. As the
primary reason for his lecture was to explain the new layout I
feel perfectly entitled to point out his failings.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad-hominem

You appear to believe that as he has emotions, he is above
criticism. Strange.

Dave F.


On 21/07/2013 01:42, Tom MacWright wrote:

Hi Dave,

Please be civil, we're all trying our best to be nice and make
progress here. It's inappropriate to start ad-hominem
attacking developers, especially in the case of Saman - who is
in fact a designer, not to mention a real person, in the real
world, with actual emotions.

Thanks,

Tom




___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk




___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] JOSM plugin for notes

2013-07-20 Thread Toby Murray

This last week Ian Dees and myself have been working on getting a JOSM
plugin for the new notes feature up and running. We started off by copying
the OpenStreetBugs plugin but ended up redoing a lot of the internals. The
user interface is still fairly similar though. It is still a little rough
around the edges but basic functionality is there. Now that some changes in
JOSM core are available in the latest dev build, I think we are ready for a
few more beta testers!

Please be sure to read the JOSM versions and authentication section on
the wiki page if you are using OAuth.

Wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Notes

Code: https://github.com/iandees/josm-notes

It can be run alongside the OSB plugin if desired.

Enjoy,
Toby
___
talk mailing list
talk@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [talk-au] Disconnected ways, almost connected nodes and crossing ways - user goldfishxyz

2013-07-20 Thread Richard Weait

If a new user is repeating errors, after your friendly contact, consider 
passing the information along to the data working group.  They, as ad mins, can 
block an account until they read a message.  

But, yes, the approach of contacting them first, with friendly correction, is 
the way to go.
___
Talk-au mailing list
Talk-au@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [Talk-br] Definição de canteiro central

2013-07-20 Thread Blademir Andrade de Lima

Pelo que percebi no Google eles fazem a marcação dos canteiros anexados aos nós 
das vias, no OSM, nós traçamos no canteiro exato, procede?
Ja a questão da divisória, em grandes cidades usam muito essa mureta de perfil 
baixo, que pode ser fixa ou movel. Em rodovias não tem muita serventia, mas 
ajuda a detalhar.

Blademir Andrade de lima
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 02:22:37 -0300
From: fernando.treb...@gmail.com
To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Definição de canteiro central

Motorway sempre tem canteiro central, trunk nem sempre, tanto pela descrição 
do wiki em inglês quanto pela percepção da comunidade brasileira.
Talvez o melhor termo para isso seria divisória central ou algo assim.
De qualquer forma, poucos usuários se beneficiam efetivamente do traçado exato 
dessa barreira. Claro, é interessante que conste num mapa minucioso, até mesmo 
com motorways, indicando a posição e a forma do canteiro em relação à via.

On Jul 19, 2013 11:58 PM, Blademir Andrade de Lima blademi...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

A marcação do canteiro central só não é necessária em Motorway ou Trunk, que ja 
é previsto existir canteiro nesses dois, devido pela regra serem mão unica, um 
sentido de cada lado. A marcação do canteiro deve ser feita manualmente nos 
outros tipos de rodovias (primary, secondary etc), que sejam de pista dupla.

Ja na marcação de mureta central, a que eu utilizo é barrier=jersey_barrier, ja 
que ela possui um perfil mais baixo que uma parede (wall).
Blademir Andrade de lima

Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:41:59 -0300

From: openstreet...@arlindopereira.com
To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Definição de canteiro central

Tendo mureta, imagem de satélite e tempo disponível, faço:
landuse=grass na grama do canteiro
barrier=wall na divisória do canteiro
[]s
Em 19/07/2013 21:39, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com escreveu:

Acho que obstáculos físicos como uma mureta deveriam ser considerados

canteiro central também (não é exatamente um canteiro mas...). Na

prática quase não há diferença funcional entre os dois: ambos impedem

a travessia de veículos (impede também a ultrapassagem) e dificultam a

travessia de pedestres, ciclistas, etc.

2013/7/19 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com:

 2013/7/19 Aun Yngve Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org:

 No maioria eu mapeando eles como duas rodovias separado, nao sei se este e o 
 concenso ou nao

 Mas a minha dúvida está com as separações.

 Por exemplo, uma mureta entre as duas vias eu considero como canteiro.

 ___

 Talk-br mailing list

 Talk-br@openstreetmap.org

 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br

--

Fernando Trebien

+55 (51) 9962-5409

The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months. (Moore's law)

The speed of software halves every 18 months. (Gates' law)

___

Talk-br mailing list

Talk-br@openstreetmap.org

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br

___
Talk-br mailing list
Talk-br@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br 

___

Talk-br mailing list

Talk-br@openstreetmap.org

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br

___
Talk-br mailing list
Talk-br@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br 
  ___
Talk-br mailing list
Talk-br@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br

Re: [Talk-br] Definição de canteiro central

2013-07-20 Thread Flavio Bello Fialho

canteiro central deve ser qualquer coisa que impossibilite fisicamente
que um carro passe para o outro lado (ou seja, vale bloco de concreto, mas
não olho de gato).
Em 20/07/2013 10:26, Blademir Andrade de Lima blademi...@hotmail.com
escreveu:

 Pelo que percebi no Google eles fazem a marcação dos canteiros anexados
 aos nós das vias, no OSM, nós traçamos no canteiro exato, procede?

 Ja a questão da divisória, em grandes cidades usam muito essa mureta de
 perfil baixo, que pode ser fixa ou movel. Em rodovias não tem muita
 serventia, mas ajuda a detalhar.

 Blademir Andrade de lima
 --
 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 02:22:37 -0300
 From: fernando.treb...@gmail.com
 To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Definição de canteiro central

 Motorway sempre tem canteiro central, trunk nem sempre, tanto pela
 descrição do wiki em inglês quanto pela percepção da comunidade brasileira.

 Talvez o melhor termo para isso seria divisória central ou algo assim.

 De qualquer forma, poucos usuários se beneficiam efetivamente do traçado
 exato dessa barreira. Claro, é interessante que conste num mapa minucioso,
 até mesmo com motorways, indicando a posição e a forma do canteiro em
 relação à via.
 On Jul 19, 2013 11:58 PM, Blademir Andrade de Lima 
 blademi...@hotmail.com wrote:

 A marcação do canteiro central só não é necessária em Motorway ou Trunk,
 que ja é previsto existir canteiro nesses dois, devido pela regra serem mão
 unica, um sentido de cada lado. A marcação do canteiro deve ser feita
 manualmente nos outros tipos de rodovias (primary, secondary etc), que
 sejam de pista dupla.

 Ja na marcação de mureta central, a que eu utilizo é
 barrier=jersey_barrier, ja que ela possui um perfil mais baixo que uma
 parede (wall).

 Blademir Andrade de lima

 --
 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 21:41:59 -0300
 From: openstreet...@arlindopereira.com
 To: talk-br@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-br] Definição de canteiro central

 Tendo mureta, imagem de satélite e tempo disponível, faço:

 landuse=grass na grama do canteiro

 barrier=wall na divisória do canteiro

 []s
 Em 19/07/2013 21:39, Fernando Trebien fernando.treb...@gmail.com
 escreveu:

 Acho que obstáculos físicos como uma mureta deveriam ser considerados
 canteiro central também (não é exatamente um canteiro mas...). Na
 prática quase não há diferença funcional entre os dois: ambos impedem
 a travessia de veículos (impede também a ultrapassagem) e dificultam a
 travessia de pedestres, ciclistas, etc.

 2013/7/19 Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com:
  2013/7/19 Aun Yngve Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org:
  No maioria eu mapeando eles como duas rodovias separado, nao sei se
 este e o concenso ou nao
 
  Mas a minha dúvida está com as separações.
  Por exemplo, uma mureta entre as duas vias eu considero como canteiro.
 
  ___
  Talk-br mailing list
  Talk-br@openstreetmap.org
  http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br



 --
 Fernando Trebien
 +55 (51) 9962-5409

 The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months. (Moore's law)
 The speed of software halves every 18 months. (Gates' law)

 ___
 Talk-br mailing list
 Talk-br@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br


 ___ Talk-br mailing list
 Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br

 ___
 Talk-br mailing list
 Talk-br@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br


 ___ Talk-br mailing list
 Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br

 ___
 Talk-br mailing list
 Talk-br@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br


___
Talk-br mailing list
Talk-br@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar

2013-07-20 Thread Bernd Weigelt

Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar:
 Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber
 bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden.

Hallo Dietmar

gute Arbeit, vielen Dank dafür.


Mir ist aufgefallen, dass es einige Hausnummer als fehlend angezeigt
werden, obwohl ist die gar nicht gibt

Z.B. In Köln-Mülheim die Juliusstraße, die geraden Hausnummern, die dort
angemäckelt werden, sind nicht vorhanden.
Bei der 9f bin ich mir nicht ganz sicher, aber ich glaube , die ist auch
false positive.

Bei vielen anderen Straßen ist es ähnlich

Ansonsten ist das eine sehr gute Arbeitshilfe

Bernd



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar

2013-07-20 Thread Dietmar


Hallo Bernd,

bist Du Dir da sicher?

Ich habe die aus dem Shapefile geholt und da gibt die Adressen 2-10, wo 
in OSM nur die 2 vergeben wurde [1].

die 9f gibt es auch in dem Shapefile.

Es kann ja sein, das die in Wahrheit nicht existieren, aber die stehen 
in der Liste der Stadt. Die wären dann ein Kandidat zum melden, das die 
in der Realität nicht vorhanden sind. Diese Meldungsgeschichte habe ich 
aber noch nicht programmiert, das kommt noch.


Viele Grüße

Dietmar


[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=198148427

Am 20.07.2013 08:40, schrieb Bernd Weigelt:

Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar:

Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber
bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden.

Hallo Dietmar

gute Arbeit, vielen Dank dafür.


Mir ist aufgefallen, dass es einige Hausnummer als fehlend angezeigt
werden, obwohl ist die gar nicht gibt

Z.B. In Köln-Mülheim die Juliusstraße, die geraden Hausnummern, die dort
angemäckelt werden, sind nicht vorhanden.
Bei der 9f bin ich mir nicht ganz sicher, aber ich glaube , die ist auch
false positive.

Bei vielen anderen Straßen ist es ähnlich

Ansonsten ist das eine sehr gute Arbeitshilfe

Bernd



___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar

2013-07-20 Thread Markus Semm

Hallo,

Zur SOTM im September planen wir eine neue Version des Keypad-Mapper 3, die 
u.a. eine Liste fehlender Hausnummern pro Strasse in der Umgebung des aktuellen 
Standorts des Mappers enthalten wird.
Dabei haben wir dasselbe Problem wie Bernd, dass es Hausnummern in der Realität 
schlicht nicht gibt, die eigentlich ins Schema passen würden, also z.B. 1,3,7 
statt 1,3,5,7 auf einer Strassenseite.
Aktuell planen wir, eine eigene Datenbank vorzuhalten, die außerhalb von OSM 
solche Fälle vermerkt, damit nicht jeder Mapper immer wieder in die selbe Falle 
läuft und nach der Hausnummer sucht.

Nachdem Dietmar auch auf solche Daten angewiesen ist für eine zuverlässige 
Anzeige und sicherlich auch weitere Software in der Zukunft macht es Sinn, 
diese Information an zentraler Stelle zu sammeln.
Hat jemand eine Idee, wo man diese Information am Besten ablegen könnte?

Cheers Markus


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Bernd Weigelt [mailto:weigelt.be...@web.de] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Juli 2013 08:41
An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch
Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar

Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar:
 Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber
 bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden.

Hallo Dietmar

gute Arbeit, vielen Dank dafür.


Mir ist aufgefallen, dass es einige Hausnummer als fehlend angezeigt
werden, obwohl ist die gar nicht gibt

Z.B. In Köln-Mülheim die Juliusstraße, die geraden Hausnummern, die dort
angemäckelt werden, sind nicht vorhanden.
Bei der 9f bin ich mir nicht ganz sicher, aber ich glaube , die ist auch
false positive.

Bei vielen anderen Straßen ist es ähnlich

Ansonsten ist das eine sehr gute Arbeitshilfe

Bernd

___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de


___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

[Talk-de] Postcode Map 2.0 freigeschaltet

2013-07-20 Thread Walter Nordmann

Hi,

da nicht jeder hier auch das Forum benutzt: Ich habe meine alte PLZ-Karte
komplett überarbeitet und freigeschaltet. Nähere Infos:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=21827

Wir können selbstverständlich hier auf der Liste  drüber diskutieren. Es
werden bestimmt noch Kleinigkeiten unklar oder gar fehlerhaft sein.

Gruss
walter



-
[url=osm.wno-edv-service.de/residentials] Missing Residentials Map 1.13[/url]
--
View this message in context: 
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Postcode-Map-2-0-freigeschaltet-tp5770568.html
Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar

2013-07-20 Thread Bernd Weigelt

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Am 20.07.2013 09:06, schrieb Dietmar:
 bist Du Dir da sicher?

Eigentlich schon, da ich dort Verwandschaft habe, bzw dort
aufgewachsen bin.

 
 Ich habe die aus dem Shapefile geholt und da gibt die Adressen
 2-10, wo in OSM nur die 2 vergeben wurde [1]. die 9f gibt es auch
 in dem Shapefile.

Die Hausnummer 2 ist ein gro￟er Wohnblock aus den 80ern, ich kann mich
noch an den Bau erinnern, vorher standen da kleine Htten ;-)
Vielleicht enth￤lt das Shape diese alten Grundstcke noch.

Im Haus 26 wohnte frher ein Schulkamerad

Die H￤user 9e, 9g-h sind ￤hnlich strukturiert wie 11-17, ich nehme an
man hat 9e-f zusammengefasst, so steht es auch in der Liegenschaftskarte

 
 Es kann ja sein, das die in Wahrheit nicht existieren, aber die
 stehen in der Liste der Stadt. Die w￤ren dann ein Kandidat zum
 melden, das die in der Realit￤t nicht vorhanden sind. Diese
 Meldungsgeschichte habe ich aber noch nicht programmiert, das kommt
 noch.
Das w￤re eine M￶glichkeit, die gerne nutzen wrde.

Bernd



-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/

iEYEARECAAYFAlHqfSMACgkQwCMdlf933K8WpACgmhjPOgABXhFzXSCirXA6wn1Z
VdkAn0hGql7KLjxHF4HCpQUKz3N8U5wu
=7wJ0
-END PGP SIGNATURE-

___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar

Hi Dietmar,

Leider kann ich mir das grade nicht angucken - ich krieg nur 'nen HTTP
503 (Service Temporarily not available). Falls das also noch nicht
aufgefallen sein sollte... bitte sehr ;)

Gruß
Peter

Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar:
 Hallo,
 
 in den letzten Wochen wurden von den Städten Köln und München fast
 zeitgleich Listen von allen Hausnummern und deren Straßenzuordnung
 bereitgestellt. Im Fall von Köln sogar mit Geokoordinaten, siehe Thread
 [1].
 
 Dies habe ich zum Anlaß genommen, meine bisherige Hausnummernauswertung,
 die ich für Augsburg, Kaufbeuren und einige Orte in der Umgebung
 erstellt hatte, auf den regio-osm.de Server [2] zu übertragen und etwas
 anzupassen.
 
 Die Auswertung ist mit der heißen Nadel gestrickt. Zum einen wollte ich
 zeitnah die Auswertung bereitstellen für die neuen Listen, zum anderen
 hat mich die letzte Radio OSM Sendung, die diesen Mittwoch live
 gestreamt wurde, mich weiter gepusht ;) Daher sorry schonmal an dieser
 Stelle für die noch vorhandenen Fehler.
 
 Was macht die Hausnummernauswertung? (ab hier angepasster Auszug aus
 einem Post von mir eben im Kölner Thread)
 
 Es gibt eine tabellarische [3]  und eine grafische Darstellung [4].
 
 Die tabellarische zeigt nach Auswahl einer oder mehrerer Stadtbezirke
 die dortigen Straßen und Hausnummern gemäß der offiziellen List der
 Stadt und wieviele und welche Hausnummern bereits in OSM sind und.
 Außerdem werden Hausnummern angezeigt, die nur in OSM vorhanden sind.
 Letztere sind dann entweder der falschen Straßen zugeordnet oder sehr
 neue Hausnummern.
 Über einige Parameter auf der Startseite kann die Anzeige noch angepasst
 werden. So werden mit der Auswahl Links erstellen für OSM-Hauptkarte
 in einem Pulldownmenü die Links zur osm.org Karte ergänzt für die
 OSM-Hausnummern.
 
 Nur im Fall Köln bisher: die Liste der Stadt Köln hatte ja für jede
 Hausnummer die Stadtbezirkszuordnung enthalten. In der Spalte nur OSM
 werden leider aktuell noch zuviele Hausnummern angezeigt, nämlich auch
 in OSM erfasste Hausnummern der Straße, die außerhalb des Stadtbezirks
 vorliegen (bei Straßen, die über mehrere Stadtbezirke gehen). Das wird
 zeitnah korrigiert.
 
 Generell können evtl. noch Stadtbezirke oder Teilbezirke fehlen, das
 habe ich in Köln nicht geprüft, in München fehlen noch 4 Bezirke, die
 ich angepasst habe in OSM sowie einige Teilbezirke (3 fehlen in München
 noch). Die werden dann nicht aufgeführt, wenn bei denen
 boundary=administrative fehlt.
 
 Die grafische Darstellung zeigt in einer OpenLayer-Lösung (Vorsicht, da
 werden für Köln ca. 12 MB und für München ca. 14 MB geladen, das kann
 etwas dauern) grafisch die Hausnummernabdekckung. Unterhalb der Karte
 habe ich eine einfache Legende für die Bedeutung der Farben und der
 Strichstärken ergänzt.
 Die Straßen sind anklickbar und dann erscheint rechts von der Karte eine
 kleine Tabelle mit den Daten zur Straße, wie sie auch in der
 tabellarischen Darstellung gezeigt wird.
 
 Ich muß noch einiges ausprobieren, daher kann ich jetzt noch nicht
 sagen, in welchem Rhythmus ich die Hausnummernauswertung aktualisieren
 werde. Die jetzige Auswertung ist von heute (Freitag) mit OSM-Datenstand
 ca. 10-12h.
 
 Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber
 bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden.
 
 Viele Grüße
 
 Dietmar aka okilimu
 
 
 [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg101700.html
 [2] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/index.html
 [3]
 http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/auswertungsdialog?stadt=K%C3%B6ln
 [4]
 http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/grafikdarstellung/anzeige.html?ort=K%C3%B6ln
 
 
 
 
 ___
 Talk-de mailing list
 Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
 


___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar

2013-07-20 Thread Bernd Weigelt


Am 20.07.2013 09:06, schrieb Dietmar:


Nochmal geschickt ohne zerfledderte Umlaute, ist ein Bug in Thunderbird
in Verbindung mit GPG


 bist Du Dir da sicher?

Eigentlich schon, da ich dort Verwandschaft habe, bzw dort
aufgewachsen bin.


 Ich habe die aus dem Shapefile geholt und da gibt die Adressen
 2-10, wo in OSM nur die 2 vergeben wurde [1]. die 9f gibt es auch
 in dem Shapefile.

Die Hausnummer 2 ist ein großer Wohnblock aus den 80ern, ich kann mich
noch an den Bau erinnern, vorher standen da kleine Hütten
Vielleicht enthält das Shape diese alten Grundstücke noch.

Im Haus 26 wohnte früher ein Schulkamerad

Die Häuser 9e, 9g-h sind ähnlich strukturiert wie 11-17, ich nehme an
man hat 9e-f zusammengefasst, so steht es auch in der Liegenschaftskarte


 Es kann ja sein, das die in Wahrheit nicht existieren, aber die
 stehen in der Liste der Stadt. Die wären dann ein Kandidat zum
 melden, das die in der Realität nicht vorhanden sind. Diese
 Meldungsgeschichte habe ich aber noch nicht programmiert, das kommt
 noch.
Das wäre eine Möglichkeit, die gerne nutzen würde.

Bernd



___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar

2013-07-20 Thread Dietmar


Hallo Peter,

die Auswertung sollte wieder gehen.

Ich habe pro Stadt den Gesamt-Stadteintrag, sei es Köln, München oder 
Augsburg entfernt, es sind also nur noch die Untergliederungen da.

Diese können aber auch alle ausgewählt werden.

Die Auswahl der Stadt an sich wird nachgereicht.

Viele Grüße

Dietmar



Am 20.07.2013 14:09, schrieb Peter Wendorff:

Hi Dietmar,

Leider kann ich mir das grade nicht angucken - ich krieg nur 'nen HTTP
503 (Service Temporarily not available). Falls das also noch nicht
aufgefallen sein sollte... bitte sehr ;)

Gruß
Peter

Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar:

Hallo,

in den letzten Wochen wurden von den Städten Köln und München fast
zeitgleich Listen von allen Hausnummern und deren Straßenzuordnung
bereitgestellt. Im Fall von Köln sogar mit Geokoordinaten, siehe Thread
[1].

Dies habe ich zum Anlaß genommen, meine bisherige Hausnummernauswertung,
die ich für Augsburg, Kaufbeuren und einige Orte in der Umgebung
erstellt hatte, auf den regio-osm.de Server [2] zu übertragen und etwas
anzupassen.

Die Auswertung ist mit der heißen Nadel gestrickt. Zum einen wollte ich
zeitnah die Auswertung bereitstellen für die neuen Listen, zum anderen
hat mich die letzte Radio OSM Sendung, die diesen Mittwoch live
gestreamt wurde, mich weiter gepusht ;) Daher sorry schonmal an dieser
Stelle für die noch vorhandenen Fehler.

Was macht die Hausnummernauswertung? (ab hier angepasster Auszug aus
einem Post von mir eben im Kölner Thread)

Es gibt eine tabellarische [3]  und eine grafische Darstellung [4].

Die tabellarische zeigt nach Auswahl einer oder mehrerer Stadtbezirke
die dortigen Straßen und Hausnummern gemäß der offiziellen List der
Stadt und wieviele und welche Hausnummern bereits in OSM sind und.
Außerdem werden Hausnummern angezeigt, die nur in OSM vorhanden sind.
Letztere sind dann entweder der falschen Straßen zugeordnet oder sehr
neue Hausnummern.
Über einige Parameter auf der Startseite kann die Anzeige noch angepasst
werden. So werden mit der Auswahl Links erstellen für OSM-Hauptkarte
in einem Pulldownmenü die Links zur osm.org Karte ergänzt für die
OSM-Hausnummern.

Nur im Fall Köln bisher: die Liste der Stadt Köln hatte ja für jede
Hausnummer die Stadtbezirkszuordnung enthalten. In der Spalte nur OSM
werden leider aktuell noch zuviele Hausnummern angezeigt, nämlich auch
in OSM erfasste Hausnummern der Straße, die außerhalb des Stadtbezirks
vorliegen (bei Straßen, die über mehrere Stadtbezirke gehen). Das wird
zeitnah korrigiert.

Generell können evtl. noch Stadtbezirke oder Teilbezirke fehlen, das
habe ich in Köln nicht geprüft, in München fehlen noch 4 Bezirke, die
ich angepasst habe in OSM sowie einige Teilbezirke (3 fehlen in München
noch). Die werden dann nicht aufgeführt, wenn bei denen
boundary=administrative fehlt.

Die grafische Darstellung zeigt in einer OpenLayer-Lösung (Vorsicht, da
werden für Köln ca. 12 MB und für München ca. 14 MB geladen, das kann
etwas dauern) grafisch die Hausnummernabdekckung. Unterhalb der Karte
habe ich eine einfache Legende für die Bedeutung der Farben und der
Strichstärken ergänzt.
Die Straßen sind anklickbar und dann erscheint rechts von der Karte eine
kleine Tabelle mit den Daten zur Straße, wie sie auch in der
tabellarischen Darstellung gezeigt wird.

Ich muß noch einiges ausprobieren, daher kann ich jetzt noch nicht
sagen, in welchem Rhythmus ich die Hausnummernauswertung aktualisieren
werde. Die jetzige Auswertung ist von heute (Freitag) mit OSM-Datenstand
ca. 10-12h.

Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber
bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden.

Viele Grüße

Dietmar aka okilimu


[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg101700.html
[2] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/index.html
[3]
http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/auswertungsdialog?stadt=K%C3%B6ln
[4]
http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/grafikdarstellung/anzeige.html?ort=K%C3%B6ln




___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de



___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de




___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

[Talk-de] Announce: Lokalisierung deutscher Kartenstil verbessert

2013-07-20 Thread Sven Geggus

Hallo zusammen,

aufgrund einer Anfrage auf der mapnik-de Mailingliste habe ich mal
das sehr rudimentäre Lokalisierungskonzept des deutschen Kartenstils
überdacht und deutlich verbessert.

Für den Anwender kommt dabei raus, dass folgende name-Tags in etwa
dieser Priorität auf der Karte gerendert werden:

name:de
name
int_name
name:en

Das Ganze geht natürlich nur, wenn man zusätzliche Annahmen trifft:

Es wäre zu Aufwendig, die Tatsache, dass sich ein Name im
deutschsprachigen Raum befindet mit einzubeziehen, stattdessen
schaut man einfach, ob der name Tag einen lateinischen Zeichensatz
hat und nur wenn das nicht der Fall ist wird ggf. int_name
oder name:en gerendert.

Getestet habe ich das Ganze mal in Chiang Mai wo die Karte jetzt
deutlich lesbarer geworden ist:
http://openstreetmap.de/karte.html?lat=18.79lon=98.98907zoom=13

Für die technisch interessierten:

Das Ganze ist über eine stored Procedure in PL/pgSQL gelöst:
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik-german/views/get_germanified_name.sql

Das sieht beim Aufruf der Funktion dann so aus:

osm= select
get_germanified_name('Köln',NULL,'Col_int_ogne','Cologne') as name;
name
--
Köln
(1 Zeile)

osm= select get_germanified_name('เชียงใหม่',NULL,'Chiang Mai',NULL);
get_germanified_name
--
Chiang Mai
(1 Zeile)

Aufrufsemantik ist
get_germanified_name(name text, name_de text, int_name text, name_en text)

Jetzt bräuchte man nur noch eine passende Transliteration für
diverse große nicht-lateinische Alphabete z.B. für russisch.

Gruss

Sven

P.S.: Kann natürlich einen Moment dauern, bis alles aktualisiert ist.
Zum Neurendern einzelner tiles hilft der übliche /dirty Trick.

--
Das allgemeine Persönlichkeitsrecht (Art. 2 Abs.1 i.V.m. Art.1 Abs. 1GG)
umfasst das Grundrecht auf Gewährleistung der Vertraulichkeit und Integrität
informationstechnischer Systeme. (BVerfG, 1BvR 370/07)
/me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web

___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Announce: Lokalisierung deutscher Kartenstil verbessert

2013-07-20 Thread christian.pietz...@googlemail.com

Sehr nützlich...danke

Am 20. Juli 2013 14:56 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de:

Hallo zusammen,

aufgrund einer Anfrage auf der mapnik-de Mailingliste habe ich mal
das sehr rudimentäre Lokalisierungskonzept des deutschen Kartenstils
überdacht und deutlich verbessert.

Für den Anwender kommt dabei raus, dass folgende name-Tags in etwa
dieser Priorität auf der Karte gerendert werden:

name:de
name
int_name
name:en

Das Ganze geht natürlich nur, wenn man zusätzliche Annahmen trifft:

Getestet habe ich das Ganze mal in Chiang Mai wo die Karte jetzt
deutlich lesbarer geworden ist:
http://openstreetmap.de/karte.html?lat=18.79lon=98.98907zoom=13

Für die technisch interessierten:

Das Ganze ist über eine stored Procedure in PL/pgSQL gelöst:

http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik-german/views/get_germanified_name.sql

Das sieht beim Aufruf der Funktion dann so aus:

osm= select
get_germanified_name('Köln',NULL,'Col_int_ogne','Cologne') as name;
name
--
Köln
(1 Zeile)

osm= select get_germanified_name('เชียงใหม่',NULL,'Chiang Mai',NULL);
get_germanified_name
--
Chiang Mai
(1 Zeile)

Aufrufsemantik ist
get_germanified_name(name text, name_de text, int_name text, name_en text)

Jetzt bräuchte man nur noch eine passende Transliteration für
diverse große nicht-lateinische Alphabete z.B. für russisch.

Gruss

Sven

P.S.: Kann natürlich einen Moment dauern, bis alles aktualisiert ist.
Zum Neurendern einzelner tiles hilft der übliche /dirty Trick.

--
Das allgemeine Persönlichkeitsrecht (Art. 2 Abs.1 i.V.m. Art.1 Abs. 1GG)
umfasst das Grundrecht auf Gewährleistung der Vertraulichkeit und
Integrität
informationstechnischer Systeme. (BVerfG, 1BvR 370/07)
/me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web

___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Announce: Lokalisierung deutscher Kartenstil verbessert

2013-07-20 Thread Sven Geggus

Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de wrote:

 Getestet habe ich das Ganze mal in Chiang Mai wo die Karte jetzt
 deutlich lesbarer geworden ist:
 http://openstreetmap.de/karte.html?lat=18.79lon=98.98907zoom=13

dto. für Jerusalem:

http://openstreetmap.de/karte.html?lat=31.77478lon=35.2239zoom=15

Dort ist allerdings noch nicht alles neu gerendert.

Gruss

Sven

-- 
/*
 * Wirzenius wrote this portably, Torvalds fucked it up :-)
 */(taken from /usr/src/linux/lib/vsprintf.c)
/me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web

___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar

2013-07-20 Thread fly

Hey Dietmar.

Sieht ja schon tool aus.

Will auch haben für BW.

fly

___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar

Dienst läuft wieder, super.

Ich hätte zwei Erweiterungs-Ideen:
1) für vorhandene Städte wäre Quelle und Aktualität der jeweils
verwendeten Straßenliste gut zu wissen. Zwischen Köln, Abfallkalender
2000 und Köln Wählerverzeichnis 2013 besteht möglicherweise ein
deutlicher Unterschied.
2) Welche Listen sind in der Pipeline zur Übernahme aus den alten
Diensten noch warten wäre entsprechend auch gut zu wissen,

beides letztlich, um zu entscheiden, ob sich eine (Neu-) Anfrage in
Gemeinde X lohnt oder nicht.

Gruß
Peter

Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar:
 Hallo,
 
 in den letzten Wochen wurden von den Städten Köln und München fast
 zeitgleich Listen von allen Hausnummern und deren Straßenzuordnung
 bereitgestellt. Im Fall von Köln sogar mit Geokoordinaten, siehe Thread
 [1].
 
 Dies habe ich zum Anlaß genommen, meine bisherige Hausnummernauswertung,
 die ich für Augsburg, Kaufbeuren und einige Orte in der Umgebung
 erstellt hatte, auf den regio-osm.de Server [2] zu übertragen und etwas
 anzupassen.
 
 Die Auswertung ist mit der heißen Nadel gestrickt. Zum einen wollte ich
 zeitnah die Auswertung bereitstellen für die neuen Listen, zum anderen
 hat mich die letzte Radio OSM Sendung, die diesen Mittwoch live
 gestreamt wurde, mich weiter gepusht ;) Daher sorry schonmal an dieser
 Stelle für die noch vorhandenen Fehler.
 
 Was macht die Hausnummernauswertung? (ab hier angepasster Auszug aus
 einem Post von mir eben im Kölner Thread)
 
 Es gibt eine tabellarische [3]  und eine grafische Darstellung [4].
 
 Die tabellarische zeigt nach Auswahl einer oder mehrerer Stadtbezirke
 die dortigen Straßen und Hausnummern gemäß der offiziellen List der
 Stadt und wieviele und welche Hausnummern bereits in OSM sind und.
 Außerdem werden Hausnummern angezeigt, die nur in OSM vorhanden sind.
 Letztere sind dann entweder der falschen Straßen zugeordnet oder sehr
 neue Hausnummern.
 Über einige Parameter auf der Startseite kann die Anzeige noch angepasst
 werden. So werden mit der Auswahl Links erstellen für OSM-Hauptkarte
 in einem Pulldownmenü die Links zur osm.org Karte ergänzt für die
 OSM-Hausnummern.
 
 Nur im Fall Köln bisher: die Liste der Stadt Köln hatte ja für jede
 Hausnummer die Stadtbezirkszuordnung enthalten. In der Spalte nur OSM
 werden leider aktuell noch zuviele Hausnummern angezeigt, nämlich auch
 in OSM erfasste Hausnummern der Straße, die außerhalb des Stadtbezirks
 vorliegen (bei Straßen, die über mehrere Stadtbezirke gehen). Das wird
 zeitnah korrigiert.
 
 Generell können evtl. noch Stadtbezirke oder Teilbezirke fehlen, das
 habe ich in Köln nicht geprüft, in München fehlen noch 4 Bezirke, die
 ich angepasst habe in OSM sowie einige Teilbezirke (3 fehlen in München
 noch). Die werden dann nicht aufgeführt, wenn bei denen
 boundary=administrative fehlt.
 
 Die grafische Darstellung zeigt in einer OpenLayer-Lösung (Vorsicht, da
 werden für Köln ca. 12 MB und für München ca. 14 MB geladen, das kann
 etwas dauern) grafisch die Hausnummernabdekckung. Unterhalb der Karte
 habe ich eine einfache Legende für die Bedeutung der Farben und der
 Strichstärken ergänzt.
 Die Straßen sind anklickbar und dann erscheint rechts von der Karte eine
 kleine Tabelle mit den Daten zur Straße, wie sie auch in der
 tabellarischen Darstellung gezeigt wird.
 
 Ich muß noch einiges ausprobieren, daher kann ich jetzt noch nicht
 sagen, in welchem Rhythmus ich die Hausnummernauswertung aktualisieren
 werde. Die jetzige Auswertung ist von heute (Freitag) mit OSM-Datenstand
 ca. 10-12h.
 
 Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber
 bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden.
 
 Viele Grüße
 
 Dietmar aka okilimu
 
 
 [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg101700.html
 [2] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/index.html
 [3]
 http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/auswertungsdialog?stadt=K%C3%B6ln
 [4]
 http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/grafikdarstellung/anzeige.html?ort=K%C3%B6ln
 
 
 
 
 ___
 Talk-de mailing list
 Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
 


___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

[Talk-de] Status zur AIO-Garmin Map Deutschland

2013-07-20 Thread Uwe R. Kunzmann


Hallo Leute,

ich wollte wieder mal die Karte für mein Garmin Origon aktualisieren.
Auf der Wiki-Seite 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:All_in_one_Garmin_Map lese ich 
allerdings folgendes:


28.05.201:
Die Deutschlandkarte wird seit Ende Januar nicht mehr aktualisiert 
(obwohl sie täglich neu erzeugt wird) (kann man den Grund nennen? Bzw. 
was müsste getan werden, damit das wieder aktualisiert wird? Wie sieht's 
mit der Europakarte aus? --Thesurveyor 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User:Thesurveyoraction=editredlink=1 
(talk 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thesurveyoraction=editredlink=1) 
15:59, 2 June 2013 (UTC)). Die DACH+ Karte und auch die Deutschlandkarte 
haben Probleme beim Routing mit aktuelleren Garmin Firmware Versionen. 
Insbesondere mit access= Werten.


Kann irgendjemand hierzu etwas näheres sagen? Stimmt das? Oder its diese 
Meldung nicht mehr aktuell?


Gruss - uku69.




___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

[Talk-de] Wasserturm verschwunden

2013-07-20 Thread Bernhard Weiskopf

Hallo an alle,

kann mir jemand Tipps geben, warum Mapnik den Mannheimer Wasserturm
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/200714910 nicht mehr anzeigt?

Auch der Umgang in 5 m Höhe
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/200715860 fehlt.

Die gleich getaggte Treppe mit Podest (mittlere Höhe = 2 m)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/200715859 wird dagegen angezeigt.

Anfangs dachte ich an ein transientes Rendering-Problem, aber das ist seit
einigen Wochen schon so.

Die Hike  Bike Map zeigt ihn auch nicht:
http://hikebikemap.de/?zoom=17lat=49.484lon=8.4756 

Beim deutschen Kartenstil wird der Wasserturm auch nicht angezeigt:
http://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html?zoom=18lat=49.484lon=8.476 
Nach Wechsel auch auf die ÖPNV-Karte dagegen schon:
http://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html?zoom=18lat=49.484lon=8.476layers=0
0B0TT

OSM2World zeigt ihn auch korrekt an:
http://maps.osm2world.org/?zoom=18lat=49.48418lon=8.4755layers=B0TTFF

Bei der OpenTopoMap scheint unter dem Turmsymbol auch alles da zu sein:
http://www.opentopomap.org/map#49.484|8.4756|15

Bei der France Tropo Map fehlt er völlig, auch die Treppe mit Podest:
http://francetopo.fr/?map_x=1096700map_y=6945376map_zoom=11
Hier ist vermutlich alles von der Fußgängerzone überdeckt.

Gruß Bernhard



___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummernauswertung in einer ersten Version verfügbar

2013-07-20 Thread Dietmar


Hallo Peter,

hier im Thread geht es um die Hausnummernauswertung. Wir haben dazu zu 
jeder Straße alle Hausnummern erhalten.
Den Stand und die Quelle sowie Nutzungshinweise für diese Listen werden 
ich dann mal bei Gelegenheit irgendwo mit angeben.
Schon mal vorab: die Münchener und die Kölner Listen sind hochaktuell 
von Mitte dieses Jahres. Die Augsburger Liste von von 09/2012, die frage 
ich einmal im Jahr von der Stadt ab.


Die Straßenlisten werden auf demselben Server verwaltet. Da ist der 
Stand der Straßenlisten im Straßenlisten-Wiki abzulesen, sofern 
vorhanden. Du kann die Wiki-Seite von der Auswertungsseite einer 
Gemeinde/Stadt aus anspringen oder direkt ins Wiki [1] gehen und dort 
suchen.


Viele Grüße

Dietmar

[1] http://regio-osm.de/listofstreets/wiki/index.php/Hauptseite


Am 20.07.2013 15:46, schrieb Peter Wendorff:

Dienst läuft wieder, super.

Ich hätte zwei Erweiterungs-Ideen:
1) für vorhandene Städte wäre Quelle und Aktualität der jeweils
verwendeten Straßenliste gut zu wissen. Zwischen Köln, Abfallkalender
2000 und Köln Wählerverzeichnis 2013 besteht möglicherweise ein
deutlicher Unterschied.
2) Welche Listen sind in der Pipeline zur Übernahme aus den alten
Diensten noch warten wäre entsprechend auch gut zu wissen,

beides letztlich, um zu entscheiden, ob sich eine (Neu-) Anfrage in
Gemeinde X lohnt oder nicht.

Gruß
Peter

Am 19.07.2013 22:48, schrieb Dietmar:

Hallo,

in den letzten Wochen wurden von den Städten Köln und München fast
zeitgleich Listen von allen Hausnummern und deren Straßenzuordnung
bereitgestellt. Im Fall von Köln sogar mit Geokoordinaten, siehe Thread
[1].

Dies habe ich zum Anlaß genommen, meine bisherige Hausnummernauswertung,
die ich für Augsburg, Kaufbeuren und einige Orte in der Umgebung
erstellt hatte, auf den regio-osm.de Server [2] zu übertragen und etwas
anzupassen.

Die Auswertung ist mit der heißen Nadel gestrickt. Zum einen wollte ich
zeitnah die Auswertung bereitstellen für die neuen Listen, zum anderen
hat mich die letzte Radio OSM Sendung, die diesen Mittwoch live
gestreamt wurde, mich weiter gepusht ;) Daher sorry schonmal an dieser
Stelle für die noch vorhandenen Fehler.

Was macht die Hausnummernauswertung? (ab hier angepasster Auszug aus
einem Post von mir eben im Kölner Thread)

Es gibt eine tabellarische [3]  und eine grafische Darstellung [4].

Die tabellarische zeigt nach Auswahl einer oder mehrerer Stadtbezirke
die dortigen Straßen und Hausnummern gemäß der offiziellen List der
Stadt und wieviele und welche Hausnummern bereits in OSM sind und.
Außerdem werden Hausnummern angezeigt, die nur in OSM vorhanden sind.
Letztere sind dann entweder der falschen Straßen zugeordnet oder sehr
neue Hausnummern.
Über einige Parameter auf der Startseite kann die Anzeige noch angepasst
werden. So werden mit der Auswahl Links erstellen für OSM-Hauptkarte
in einem Pulldownmenü die Links zur osm.org Karte ergänzt für die
OSM-Hausnummern.

Nur im Fall Köln bisher: die Liste der Stadt Köln hatte ja für jede
Hausnummer die Stadtbezirkszuordnung enthalten. In der Spalte nur OSM
werden leider aktuell noch zuviele Hausnummern angezeigt, nämlich auch
in OSM erfasste Hausnummern der Straße, die außerhalb des Stadtbezirks
vorliegen (bei Straßen, die über mehrere Stadtbezirke gehen). Das wird
zeitnah korrigiert.

Generell können evtl. noch Stadtbezirke oder Teilbezirke fehlen, das
habe ich in Köln nicht geprüft, in München fehlen noch 4 Bezirke, die
ich angepasst habe in OSM sowie einige Teilbezirke (3 fehlen in München
noch). Die werden dann nicht aufgeführt, wenn bei denen
boundary=administrative fehlt.

Die grafische Darstellung zeigt in einer OpenLayer-Lösung (Vorsicht, da
werden für Köln ca. 12 MB und für München ca. 14 MB geladen, das kann
etwas dauern) grafisch die Hausnummernabdekckung. Unterhalb der Karte
habe ich eine einfache Legende für die Bedeutung der Farben und der
Strichstärken ergänzt.
Die Straßen sind anklickbar und dann erscheint rechts von der Karte eine
kleine Tabelle mit den Daten zur Straße, wie sie auch in der
tabellarischen Darstellung gezeigt wird.

Ich muß noch einiges ausprobieren, daher kann ich jetzt noch nicht
sagen, in welchem Rhythmus ich die Hausnummernauswertung aktualisieren
werde. Die jetzige Auswertung ist von heute (Freitag) mit OSM-Datenstand
ca. 10-12h.

Fehler (davon gibts noch eine Menge) und Verbesserungswünsche (da aber
bitte viel Geduld mitbringen) melden.

Viele Grüße

Dietmar aka okilimu


[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg101700.html
[2] http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/index.html
[3]
http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/auswertungsdialog?stadt=K%C3%B6ln
[4]
http://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/grafikdarstellung/anzeige.html?ort=K%C3%B6ln




___
Talk-de mailing list
Talk-de@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de



___
Talk-de mailing list

[Talk-it] R: area yes



Visualizzando però la mappa nel vigneto la parola vigneto mi sa tanto di tag 
name. A meno che un vigneto abbia espressamente un nome (cosa rara) non credo 
abbia senso inserirlo. Come pure terreno incolto.
Ho visualizzato la mappa da un netbook, non ho josm, per cui è una 
sensazione,non vedendo direttamente il tag, ma il rendering mi semba quello.


Messaggio originale
Da: mario.piche...@gmail.com
Data: 20-lug-2013 0.51
A: openstreetmap list - italianotalk-it@openstreetmap.org
Ogg: [Talk-it] area yes


Ho scritto fattoria in aree attorno alle località

Tra i vari risultati:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.003351amp;lon=9.398445amp;zoom=19

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.82827amp;lon=12.597amp;zoom=16

Mentre con campo, mi sono inoltrato nel regno del multipoligono.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.71151amp;lon=10.48251amp;zoom=15

Ciao Mario.





___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it



___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

[Talk-it] area yes

2013-07-20 Thread gpstracks.it


Eviterei il name se non esiste un nome ufficiale.
Ad esempio landuse=wineyard contiene già l'informazione che 
quell'appezzamento è un vigneto.


Mandi.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti

2013-07-20 Thread Piergiorgio Cipriano

Non so se può esservi utile:
   http://www.splashmaps.net/

non si tratta di magliette ma di mappe su stoffa poliestere con dati
(anche) di OSM.
In UK diversi gruppi di ciclisti, soprattutto mtb, le stanno già usando,
visto che si possono indossare come foulard, annotabili con penne non
indelebili e soprattutto lavabili.

pg
Il giorno 19/lug/2013 22:41, Mario Pichetti mario.piche...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

 Il 19/07/2013 19:55, Gianmario Mengozzi ha scritto:


 Anch'io interessato :)


 OT/ della serie le magliette crescono:-) /OT.+2thanks





 __**_
 Talk-it mailing list
 Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Copyright

2013-07-20 Thread Aury88

contro la mela non le ha usate perchè la situazione m sembra si sia sistemata
da se poco dopo essere stata scoperta...è chiaro che se qualcuno infrange i
copyright debba essere prima avvisato e poi, se reitera o persiste nella
violazione, denunciato.
non penso che la osmf abbia paura di un confronto legale con  i
colossise non si utilizzano certi mezzi è probabilmente solo per non
dare un immagine sbagliata del progetto, ma se ha ragione l'avversario può
essere potente quanto si vuole ma non vincerebbe mai (oltre al fatto che il
precedente legale probabilmente andrebbe contro i suoi stessi interessi)
Questa cosa che dice Cascafico Giovanni è molto grave e la OSMF deve essere
assolutamente avvisata.
Stiamo parlando di una casa editrice che con sulle mappe OSM guadagna dei
soldi e che, nonostante il ripetersi degli avvertimenti, si ostina a non
mettere la giusta attribuzione. non le si chiede nulla alla casa editrice,
solo l'attribuzione corretta e questa non fa neanche questa piccola cosa?.
allora a questo punto se non vuole mettere l'attribuzione non mette in
vendita il prodotto con su le nostre mappe.punto non c'è neanche da
discuterne... fossimo stati in Germania o negli USA il prodotto sarebbe
stato già ritirato dal mercato e volevo vedere se una cosa del genere si
sarebbe ripetuta di nuovo.
secondo me è giusto  avvertire subito  la OSMF
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Takedown_procedure   facendo
presente anche il ripetersi dell'avvertimento ignorato, in più ricorderei
ancora una volta la casa editrice come stanno i fatti e cosa rischia se non
si da una regolata, avvisandola che l' infringement è stato segnalato...da
qui in poi ci penserà l'ufficio legale della OSMF.




--
View this message in context: 
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Copyright-tp5770343p5770529.html
Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Serre


Il 19/07/2013 23:53, Mario Pichetti ha scritto:

Am 17/lug/2013 um 10:03 schrieb Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.it:

Devo inserire sulle casette anche il tag building= greenhouse o 
sarebbe superfluo se viene etichettata l'area?


lo metterei, building per un edificio non è implicito nei altri tags 
che hai messo (landuse e shop)


ciao,
Martin


Ciao Gianluca.

Mandami il link relativo alla serra, cosi lo inserisco nei tag.

Mario.


http://www.openstreetmap.org/export/embed.html?bbox=7.304353,44.817718,7.306606,44.818993amp;layer=mapnikamp;marker=44.81854,7.30538

Questo è il link del vivaio più che delle serre. Nei tag inseriscilo 
come vivaio (o luogo dove si coltivano e vendono fiori e piante) e 
magari crea una voce separata apposita per le serre (non ci sono solo 
nei vivai).


Ti segnalo anche questo link
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1588831326

da inserire nel tag dei municipi.

--
Gianluca Boero


___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti

2013-07-20 Thread Volker Schmidt

Personalmente non sono interessato in roba *tecnica* per ciclisti OSM.
Preferisco T-shirt in cottone normale che posso indossare anche senza
bicicletta sotto il culo. Ma mi va benissimo se nel design/logo/ecc appare
sia la bici sia OSM.

Volker



On 19 July 2013 15:40, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it wrote:

 Mi sembra si parli di maglie normali, io invece pensavo proprio qualcosa di
 specifico per ciclista.



 --
 View this message in context:
 http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Magliette-OSM-x-ciclisti-tp5770368p5770382.html
 Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

 ___
 Talk-it mailing list
 Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Serre


Il 20/07/2013 09:30, Gianluca Boero ha scritto:

Il 19/07/2013 23:53, Mario Pichetti ha scritto:
Am 17/lug/2013 um 10:03 schrieb Gianluca Boero 
gianlucabo...@alice.it:


Devo inserire sulle casette anche il tag building= greenhouse o 
sarebbe superfluo se viene etichettata l'area?


lo metterei, building per un edificio non è implicito nei altri tags 
che hai messo (landuse e shop)


ciao,
Martin


Ciao Gianluca.

Mandami il link relativo alla serra, cosi lo inserisco nei tag.

Mario.


http://www.openstreetmap.org/export/embed.html?bbox=7.304353,44.817718,7.306606,44.818993amp;layer=mapnikamp;marker=44.81854,7.30538 



Questo è il link del vivaio più che delle serre. Nei tag inseriscilo 
come vivaio (o luogo dove si coltivano e vendono fiori e piante) e 
magari crea una voce separata apposita per le serre (non ci sono solo 
nei vivai).


Ti segnalo anche questo link
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1588831326

da inserire nel tag dei municipi.


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Glossario_OSM#Vsm;-)

Dare un occhio, se va bene, ciao Mario.


___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti


Il 20/07/2013 10:25, Volker Schmidt ha scritto:
Personalmente non sono interessato in roba /tecnica/ per ciclisti OSM. 
Preferisco T-shirt in cottone normale che posso indossare anche senza 
bicicletta sotto il culo. Ma mi va benissimo se nel design/logo/ecc 
appare sia la bici sia OSM.


Volker



+1

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] landuse

però quella riserva d'acqua dovresti legarla con una relazione inner alla
landuse=scrub outer altrimenti sono sovrapposte. Inoltre vedo che alcune
volte lasci fuori le tracce dei percorsi ed altre volte le includi nei
campi.



--
View this message in context: 
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/landuse-tp5766839p5770541.html
Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

[Talk-it] Nuovo layout controlli sito OSM

2013-07-20 Thread emmexx

Il sito http://www.openstreetmap.org/ ha un nuovo layout dei controlli,
molto carino, e' stata fatta un po' di pulizia.

L'unica cosa che non funziona a dovere credo sia il layerswitcher
perche' appare una seconda barra verticale che non e' molto comoda.

ciao
maxx

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] aree canali

Vedo che a volte son lasciati gli spazzi dove ci son i canali e altre volte
no, e questi non son taggati.
Inoltre quale deve esser la precisione sul seguire i percorsi, ogni tanto
vedo tante linee rette che son poco reali.

Non so se val solo per le strade, ma nel wiki l'esempio fa vedere che le
curve devono esser ben raggaiate. certo meglio evitar gli eccessi, ma
nemmeno l'opposto a mio avviso.



--
View this message in context: 
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/aree-canali-tp5770067p5770544.html
Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] area yes

Scusami ma non capisco cosa voglia dire il tuo post. A parte il fatto che ci
sia qualcuno che scriva l'indicazione vigneto su un vigneto...



--
View this message in context: 
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Pioppeti-tp5770456p5770545.html
Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti

Il post comunque parla di ciclisti, gli altri possono astenersi.



--
View this message in context: 
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Magliette-OSM-x-ciclisti-tp5770368p5770547.html
Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti

Ok, ma mi sembra che quelle normali ci siano già.

qui un esempio http://281257.spreadshirt.de/openstreetmap-C120641




--
View this message in context: 
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Magliette-OSM-x-ciclisti-tp5770368p5770554.html
Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti

2013-07-20 Thread Volker Schmidt

Non esattamente. A me piacerebbe qualcosa col logo ufficiale di OSM. Per il
motivo che mi sembra tu abbia esposto nel messaggio originale: quando si
mappa, sarebbe bello essere identificabile con OSM in modo facile. Quindi
ci dovrebbe essere il logo OSM e il riferimento al sito OSM.org e un
riferimento all'uso della bici per la mappatura.
E tutto su cottone.
Questo i miei requisiti.
:-)

Volker

On 20 July 2013 12:07, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it wrote:

 Ok, ma mi sembra che quelle normali ci siano già.

 qui un esempio http://281257.spreadshirt.de/openstreetmap-C120641




 --
 View this message in context:
 http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Magliette-OSM-x-ciclisti-tp5770368p5770554.html
 Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.

 ___
 Talk-it mailing list
 Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Nuovo layout controlli sito OSM

2013-07-20 Thread Carlo Stemberger

Ne approfitto per chiedere: per caso c'è qualcuno in questa lista
impegnato nello sviluppo del sito?

Ciao!
___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Serre


Il 20/07/2013 11:16, Mario Pichetti ha scritto:




http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Glossario_OSM#Vsm;-)

Dare un occhio, se va bene, ciao Mario.


Ciao...

Tutto ok..solo che il tag della singola serra è

building= greenhouse
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dgreenhouse


--
Gianluca Boero


___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti


Il 20/07/2013 11:49, Volker Schmidt ha scritto:
Sono ciclista attivo e mappatore attivo, ma lo stesso mi interessa 
meno un tuta tecnologica da ciclisti. Preferisco il casual al 
tecnico. :-)


Volker


Faccio presente che una maglietta da ciclista dovrebbe avere almeno due 
tasche sulla schiena, utile per contenere un piccolo portafoglio e 
qualcosa per prendere appunti (cellulare nel mio caso o block notes). Il 
Gps nel mio caso è ancorato al manubrio.


--
Gianluca Boero


___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti

2013-07-20 Thread Gianmario Mengozzi

Rispetto tutti ma il post parlerebbe di magliette x ciclisti.

Apritene un altro su T-shirt tempo libero please

-- sent by Google Nexus
 Il giorno 20/lug/2013 11:46, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it ha scritto:

 Il post comunque parla di ciclisti, gli altri possono astenersi.



 --
 View this message in context:
 http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Magliette-OSM-x-ciclisti-tp5770368p5770547.html
 Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

 ___
 Talk-it mailing list
 Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

[Talk-it] Possibilità di import dati Umbria?

2013-07-20 Thread Marcello Arcangeli

Ho visto che la regione Umbria mette a disposizione alcuni servizi WMS,
l'elenco è a questo indirizzo:
http://www.umbriageo.regione.umbria.it/canale.asp?id=422
I termini di utilizzo sono i seguenti:
I Servizi possono essere usati liberamente per uso locale di studio e
di ricerca. Non possono essere utilizzati per attività commerciali. In
caso di necessità di pubblicazione e/o altri utilizzi occorre richiedere
apposita autorizzazione alla Regione Umbria - Servizio
Informatico/Informativo: geografico, ambientale e territoriale. In ogni
caso nelle elaborazioni deve essere sempre riportata la fonte dei dati.
Ho controllato i dati disponibili e basandomi sulla mia poca esperienza
mi sembra che ci sono luci ed ombre, ad esempio:
1- le foto aeree sono del 2011 e molto dettagliate, per cui poterle
usare per verifica o ricalco sarebbe un passo avanti rispetto a quanto
disponibile ora
2- il grafo tratti stradali, fabbricati e numeri civici mi sembra
abbastanza aggiornato per la parte fabbricati, i nomi delle strade
quando sono stati assegnati o modificati dai comuni negli ultimi anni
non rispecchiano la situazione attuale, i numeri civici sono inseriti
parzialmente, ma spesso dove non sono inseriti si trova lo stesso numero
per tutto il comune
3- il catasto regionale formato raster almeno per le zone che conosco mi
sembra vecchio di alcuni decenni

Data la situazione pensate, se tecnicamente fattibile, sia il caso di
richiedere l'autorizzazione per un eventuale utilizzo o import ed
eventualmente come si deve procedere?
Grazie
Marcello

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Copyright

2013-07-20 Thread Cascafico Giovanni

Sono d'accordo, tuttavia ho visto che ha adottato un accorgimento, essendo
la pubblicazione composta da mappa e libretto non vendibili
separatamente: sulla prima solo un copyright dell'editore e nel libretto
accompagnatore l'attribuzione aggiornata OSM.

Mi sembra più che altro un modo per acquisire tutti i diritti sulla copia,
ma non sono in grado di valutarne la legittimità. Secondo voi è accettabile?

--
http://cascafico.altervista.org
Il giorno 20/lug/2013 09.18, Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 contro la mela non le ha usate perchè la situazione m sembra si sia
 sistemata
 da se poco dopo essere stata scoperta...è chiaro che se qualcuno infrange i
 copyright debba essere prima avvisato e poi, se reitera o persiste nella
 violazione, denunciato.
 non penso che la osmf abbia paura di un confronto legale con  i
 colossise non si utilizzano certi mezzi è probabilmente solo per non
 dare un immagine sbagliata del progetto, ma se ha ragione l'avversario può
 essere potente quanto si vuole ma non vincerebbe mai (oltre al fatto che il
 precedente legale probabilmente andrebbe contro i suoi stessi interessi)
 Questa cosa che dice Cascafico Giovanni è molto grave e la OSMF deve essere
 assolutamente avvisata.
 Stiamo parlando di una casa editrice che con sulle mappe OSM guadagna dei
 soldi e che, nonostante il ripetersi degli avvertimenti, si ostina a non
 mettere la giusta attribuzione. non le si chiede nulla alla casa editrice,
 solo l'attribuzione corretta e questa non fa neanche questa piccola cosa?.
 allora a questo punto se non vuole mettere l'attribuzione non mette in
 vendita il prodotto con su le nostre mappe.punto non c'è neanche da
 discuterne... fossimo stati in Germania o negli USA il prodotto sarebbe
 stato già ritirato dal mercato e volevo vedere se una cosa del genere si
 sarebbe ripetuta di nuovo.
 secondo me è giusto  avvertire subito  la OSMF
 http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Takedown_procedure   facendo
 presente anche il ripetersi dell'avvertimento ignorato, in più ricorderei
 ancora una volta la casa editrice come stanno i fatti e cosa rischia se non
 si da una regolata, avvisandola che l' infringement è stato segnalato...da
 qui in poi ci penserà l'ufficio legale della OSMF.




 --
 View this message in context:
 http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Copyright-tp5770343p5770529.html
 Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

 ___
 Talk-it mailing list
 Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] landuse

2013-07-20 Thread Alberto

Ho optato per farm perchè è il più utilizzato almeno così dice il map
future del wiki.

-1 landuse=farm è stato deprecato per un preciso motivo: in passato farm è
stato usato confusamente sia per indicare farmland (il terreno agricolo) sia
farmyard (la cascina).
Per distinguerli oggi si consiglia di usare farmland e farmyard e man mano
di sostituire farm con uno di questi due tag, dopo aver verificato.
Il fatto che farm sia ancora più usato vuol dire solo che la sostituzione
dei tag  è lenta.
Alberto


___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

[Talk-it] waterway_layer


Ciao a tutti

Come mi ha fatto notare Bredy, non si usa layer -1 nei waterway.

Ho fatto un giro nei principali fiumi e nessuno lo usa.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.63822lon=10.48771zoom=16 (Oder)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.5108lon=8.69543zoom=15 (Ticino)

Ma anche Tamigi, Reno, ecc...

Mario.



___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] landuse


Il 20/07/2013 11:30, bredy ha scritto:

però quella riserva d'acqua dovresti legarla con una relazione inner alla
landuse=scrub outer altrimenti sono sovrapposte. Inoltre vedo che alcune
volte lasci fuori le tracce dei percorsi ed altre volte le includi nei
campi.



--

Vero, sono lavori_old, devo aggiornare il tutto.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti


Il 20/07/2013 11:49, Volker Schmidt ha scritto:
Sono ciclista attivo e mappatore attivo, ma lo stesso mi interessa 
meno un tuta tecnologica da ciclisti. Preferisco il casual al 
tecnico. :-)


Volker

Mi associo:-)

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti


Il 20/07/2013 12:22, Volker Schmidt ha scritto:
Non esattamente. A me piacerebbe qualcosa col logo ufficiale di OSM. 
Per il motivo che mi sembra tu abbia esposto nel messaggio originale: 
quando si mappa, sarebbe bello essere identificabile con OSM in modo 
facile. Quindi ci dovrebbe essere il logo OSM e il riferimento al sito 
OSM.org e un riferimento all'uso della bici per la mappatura.
Tipo, siamo solo mappatori in bici, miglioriamo il mondo e non facciamo 
niente di male.

E tutto su cotton.
Questo i miei requisiti.
:-)


Idem;-)


___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] landuse

Alberto-2 wrote
Ho optato per farm perchè è il più utilizzato almeno così dice il map
 future del wiki.
 
 -1 landuse=farm è stato deprecato per un preciso motivo: in passato farm è
 stato usato confusamente sia per indicare farmland (il terreno agricolo)
 sia
 farmyard (la cascina).
 Per distinguerli oggi si consiglia di usare farmland e farmyard e man mano
 di sostituire farm con uno di questi due tag, dopo aver verificato.
 Il fatto che farm sia ancora più usato vuol dire solo che la sostituzione
 dei tag  è lenta.
 Alberto
 
 
 ___
 Talk-it mailing list

 Talk-it@

 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Sarebbe il caso di modificare il Map Future allora, perchè com'è scritto
attualmente non viene riportato quanto dite. Negli altri casi viene posta la
scritta deprecated quando un tag non deve più essere usato.



--
View this message in context: 
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/landuse-tp5766839p5770585.html
Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

[Talk-it] Applicare più di un tag contemporaneamente

Volevo sapere se in JOSM esiste un modo per inserire più tag
contemporaneamente. Ad esempio quando sui fossi inserisco i cunicoli
sotterranei deve ogni volta inserire tunnel=culvert e layer=-1 
risparmierei un po' di tempo vista l'infinità di questi nei campi.



--
View this message in context: 
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Applicare-piu-di-un-tag-contemporaneamente-tp5770587.html
Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Serre


Il 20/07/2013 12:59, Gianluca Boero ha scritto:

Il 20/07/2013 11:16, Mario Pichetti ha scritto:




http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Glossario_OSM#Vsm;-)

Dare un occhio, se va bene, ciao Mario.


Ciao...

Tutto ok..solo che il tag della singola serra è

building= greenhouse
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dgreenhouse



Acc:-[ la frett, provvedofatto.

Quindi greenhouse_horticulture è specifico per piante da orto, pomodori, 
peperono, melanzane, meloni, cetrioli...fine:-)


Se hai notato nell'esempio che ho proposto 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.818457lon=7.305321zoom=20

hanno messo landuse_industrial

Ciao, Mario.


___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti


Il 20/07/2013 13:06, Gianmario Mengozzi ha scritto:


Rispetto tutti ma il post parlerebbe di magliette x ciclisti.

Apritene un altro su T-shirt tempo libero please


Tipico esempio di fork:-)

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Applicare più di un tag contemporaneamente

2013-07-20 Thread sabas88

Il giorno 20 luglio 2013 14:56, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it ha scritto:

 Volevo sapere se in JOSM esiste un modo per inserire più tag
 contemporaneamente. Ad esempio quando sui fossi inserisco i cunicoli
 sotterranei deve ogni volta inserire tunnel=culvert e layer=-1
 risparmierei un po' di tempo vista l'infinità di questi nei campi.


 Ctrl-C per copiare
Ctrl-Maiusc-V per incollare tutti i tag.
(e Ctrl-Alt-V per incollare tutte le relazioni se hai il plugin
utilsplugin2)

Ciao,
Stefano


 --
 View this message in context:
 http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Applicare-piu-di-un-tag-contemporaneamente-tp5770587.html
 Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

 ___
 Talk-it mailing list
 Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Confini amministrativi, isole...

2013-07-20 Thread Diego Guidotti - Aedit s.r.l.

2013/7/16 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com

 2013/7/16 marco bra marcobra.ubu...@gmail.com:
  In questa zona confini comunali sembrano alquanto improbabili...,
  quantomeno nelle isole interne al confine principale...
 
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.40562lon=15.49765zoom=16
 
  Non avendo possibilità di verifica precisa Vi invio messaggio qui

 penso, invece, che siano corretti, si tratta di enclavi (o exclavi)
 http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclavi del comune confinanti.




I amministrativi confini sono sempre fonte di divertimento:

http://burc.regione.campania.it/eBurcWeb/directServlet?DOCUMENT_ID=504ATTACH_ID=504
___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Pioppeti

Si i confini li avevo aggiornati e anche tolti quelli non più presenti, ma i
tag devo correggerli. Mandi e grazie.



--
View this message in context: 
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Pioppeti-tp5770456p5770600.html
Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] aree canali

2013-07-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer



On 20/lug/2013, at 11:36, bredy bredy...@yahoo.it wrote:

 Inoltre quale deve esser la precisione sul seguire i percorsi, ogni tanto
 vedo tante linee rette che son poco reali.


+1, è un processo iterativo, ogni mappatore che passa lo aggiusta un po' meglio 
;-)


 
 Non so se val solo per le strade, ma nel wiki l'esempio fa vedere che le
 curve devono esser ben raggaiate. certo meglio evitar gli eccessi, ma
 nemmeno l'opposto a mio avviso.


si

ciao,
Martin
___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] end_farm

c'è un modo per modificare tutti i miei farm in automatico senza doverli
selezionare uno per uno?



--
View this message in context: 
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/landuse-tp5766839p5770607.html
Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] end_farm

Addirittura sul wiki se si clicca su farmland rimanda al tag farm, molto
ambigua la cosa. Da risolvere.



--
View this message in context: 
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/landuse-tp5766839p5770608.html
Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

___
Talk-it mailing list
Talk-it@openstreetmap.org
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] Magliette OSM x ciclisti