Re: [OSM-ja] 基盤地図情報のインポートについて
いいだです。
了解しました。
それでは、削除を行なう、ということで。
また、ご自身でされるとのことなのですが、
すみません、こちらで実施させてください。
本件、抜け漏れがあっても困るものですし、
ライセンスと法令の観点から、早急な対応完了が求められている事案です。
私の削除方法では、OverPass APIで抽出を行った後、
当該データをJOSMで読み込んで消す、というやりかたになります。
(スクリプトでごそっと消す、ではないです)
早ければ本日午後ぐらいに実施できると思います。
なにかあれば一言メールでよいので、早めにご連絡いただければと思います。
(この機会を逃すと、来週はほとんど時間とれなさそうなので。。。)
2015年2月21日 9:17 Taro Matsuzawa t...@georepublic.co.jp:
松澤です。
ちょいと作ってみた。
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/7Mq
これは千駄ヶ谷周辺で僕とikiyaさんの二人のbuildingを探したもの。
(
way(user:smellman)({{bbox}});
way(user:ikiya)({{bbox}});
);
(
way._[building=yes]({{bbox}});
);
way._(user〜
で絞り込みができないので、
ユーザの方をbboxで先に絞り込んでunionを作って、
そこからbuilding=yesを絞り込む感じ。
これでどうかなー？
On 2015/02/20 20:22, Satoshi IIDA wrote:
いいだです。
松澤さん
ありがとうございます。
ごめんなさい、僕の意図がちょっと伝わってなかったです。
* ユーザは 徳島県オープンデータ あるいは mitsurukikkawaが編集を
行った (user:徳島県オープンデータ)
ここのところを1回のクエリで作れないかな、と思って、
格納先の変数を ._ではなくて .a と .b に分けたりとかしていたのですが、う
まくゆかず。
まぁ、2ユーザぶん別々にクエリすればよいので実用には足りるのですが、
1回のクエリで済むと手間が減る、というくらいでした。
いただいたクエリで動くようなので、これで調査します。
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Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au
From: Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com] Softgrow has done some work in metro Adelaide around checking roads: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia Thanks. I had seen the edits Softgrow has done, but I wasn’t aware it was documented anywhere From: Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 21 February 2015 3:39 AM Couple of false positives: Knox Terrace (Metro area, near waterfall gully) - it's a bit windy and for some reason not matched Actually this is not a false positive. The OSM version of the name has too many R’s !! Some of the walking trails near mt lofty OBahn busway probably should be excluded. There's a lot of little laneways, etc that are worthwhile adding in on their own. Given that importing this is probably not a great idea, what other ways could you present the data - as a list with clickable links to the coordatines/OSM way? Or even better, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette/Challenges ? I will try to give this some thought. I just had a brief look at MapRoulette, but I don’t really understand yet what the technical requirements are. Just loading the .osm file as a separate layer in JOSM seems to be a reasonable way to use the data. Potentially, I could re-generate the file often, to provide an up-to-date indication of what is left to do. However there would be no easy way for someone to mark for others the fact that a way doesn’t really need changing; and that could lead to some duplicated effort. Incidentally, I noticed that you used some of the data in the last 24hrs to update road names on KI. I decided to have a go too, adding some missing roads, also to KI. The procedure of copying a road from one layer to another, joining it to existing ways, and uploading, seems to be fairly easy once you get into the rhythm. I was able to add around one missing road every 30 seconds or so. By the way, I have just put an updated version of “missing.osm” in my Google Drive folder, based on the state of OSM today (rather than 9 Feb, like the previous one). ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:39 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Greg Troxel writes: That said, there is a lot of junk. But I just close them if I can't figure them out and if I'm fairly sure I wouldn't be able to if I showed up. I agree with Greg. If the not submitter didn't put a lot of effort into it, then you as a mapper shouldn't put a lot of effort into it either. Unless you feel like solving a puzzle! I'd still at least throw a comment on it and wait a while before outright closing it as unsolvable if it looks like there's some potential to it. We choose to map the planet not because it is easy, but because it is hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, How do passengers know where to go and stand if there are no physical markers? I think a bus stop should be able to be defined by the fact the driver knows where to halt and the passengers know where to wait. In our case, this is published in the schedules and (occasionally) on the billboards on the outside of the bus. You can flag a bus about a bus length after any intersection with no marked bus stop within a one-block radius. Isn't that 'convention' also some sort of ground truth? Im sure this case happens in many countries around the world, although in some of those countries it may be the case a bus can be flagged at any point on its itinerary. Does word-of-mouth essentially count as ground truth? I'd like to know if there's some accepted key=value for this situation that can be used with highway=bus_stop, if one exists. Of course, as soon as roads become busier, that's not possible/practical anymore. Despite the fact that Tulsa ended up largely flat enough to put major thoroughfares along the lines of survey for range and township, the side streets within those sections often wind around and dead end uselessly for no reason, even where there's no creek or other obstruction. This makes many of the section line thoroughfares rather congested, particularly during key times (the Advent shopping season, rush hour in general but especially on a Friday evening, etc), but in our case, this meme applies http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/965/174740_127063750695194_3264526_n.jpg. Tulsans drive obnoxiously close to each other but you can tell who is from out of town (we have too many different license plates for that to be a reliable indicator) based on who follows close to a bus. I've been working a few years adding almost 7 stops for a small country. That was a lot of work, of course. But now I notice that adding and maintaining the routes is even more work, hence the creation of the script to automate the process where possible. One of the problems I faced is that when I needed to fix a route, I had to apply the same fix to all the variations of that route, over and over again. Now I do it once, creating a 'golden route', then letting the script take care of the others. It's still some work, as I need to check manually if the code got it right, route by route. Still, I'm laying the initial groundwork to get to the point where we have a golden route for each route (or in the 101 Suburban Acres case, actually eight routes). Concerning the roles, I guess they may help JOSM and iD when people split ways, although I think JOSM gets that right without them already. A bigger problem is people joining ways, which results in stumps that are not connected to the next way anymore. And of course, deleting ways, potentially replacing them by new ones. I've been noticing a trend towards shorter ways, to the point where people are a little worried about merging ways now. This is generally a Good Thing, since joining ways generally breaks a lot more than relations (lane tagging comes immediately to mind, and because of the tag conflict, this often sets off warning bells). ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes
On Feb 21, 2015 3:03 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Do we have a graph of how many notes are open? It wouldn't be surprising to see a downward trend in the last few weeks from this change. http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes Wow, surprised to see how static it's been. Which makes me wonder what we can do to make this less of a write-only interface and more of a dialogue between casual consumers and hard-core contributors. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au
Neat. So map roulette would solve the 'no need to fix On 22/02/2015 11:20 AM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com wrote: * From:* Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com daniel.ocon...@gmail.com] Softgrow has done some work in metro Adelaide around checking roads: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia Thanks. I had seen the edits Softgrow has done, but I wasn’t aware it was documented anywhere * From:* Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com] * Sent:* Saturday, 21 February 2015 3:39 AM Couple of false positives: Knox Terrace (Metro area, near waterfall gully) - it's a bit windy and for some reason not matched Actually this is not a false positive. The OSM version of the name has too many R’s !! Some of the walking trails near mt lofty OBahn busway probably should be excluded. There's a lot of little laneways, etc that are worthwhile adding in on their own. Given that importing this is probably not a great idea, what other ways could you present the data - as a list with clickable links to the coordatines/OSM way? Or even better, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette/Challenges ? I will try to give this some thought. I just had a brief look at MapRoulette, but I don’t really understand yet what the technical requirements are. Just loading the .osm file as a separate layer in JOSM seems to be a reasonable way to use the data. Potentially, I could re-generate the file often, to provide an up-to-date indication of what is left to do. However there would be no easy way for someone to mark for others the fact that a way doesn’t really need changing; and that could lead to some duplicated effort. Incidentally, I noticed that you used some of the data in the last 24hrs to update road names on KI. I decided to have a go too, adding some missing roads, also to KI. The procedure of copying a road from one layer to another, joining it to existing ways, and uploading, seems to be fairly easy once you get into the rhythm. I was able to add around one missing road every 30 seconds or so. By the way, I have just put an updated version of “missing.osm” in my Google Drive folder, based on the state of OSM today (rather than 9 Feb, like the previous one). ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-GB] New OS Open Data products arriving end of March
Sounds interesting. Here is an announcement: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/britain-leads-the-way-as-ordnance-survey-helps-to-drive-economic-growth-and-digital-innovation-through-open-data Bit hard to tell until we see the data but the Gazetteer, the Open Water Network and the new ‘presumption to publish’ process all sound interesting. Keep us posted please. Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes
Bryce Nesbitt writes: It would be easy enough to run an experiment where the notes interface steps the user through writing a good report, and see what the impact on volume of notes is. Sounds like a job for A/B testing. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] Using roads dataset from data.sa.gov.au
Neat. So map roulette would solve the 'no need to fix' signal to others. To make a project is just using curl plus json to describe it and add tasks. Uh can't find github link right now but the api is pretty clear. Happy to help set that up later today/this week, as well as get the process automated (git, 1x cron, etc) On 22/02/2015 11:20 AM, Henry Haselgrove haselgr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com] Softgrow has done some work in metro Adelaide around checking roads: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Australia Thanks. I had seen the edits Softgrow has done, but I wasn’t aware it was documented anywhere From: Daniel O'Connor [mailto:daniel.ocon...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 21 February 2015 3:39 AM Couple of false positives: Knox Terrace (Metro area, near waterfall gully) - it's a bit windy and for some reason not matched Actually this is not a false positive. The OSM version of the name has too many R’s !! Some of the walking trails near mt lofty OBahn busway probably should be excluded. There's a lot of little laneways, etc that are worthwhile adding in on their own. Given that importing this is probably not a great idea, what other ways could you present the data - as a list with clickable links to the coordatines/OSM way? Or even better, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette/Challenges ? I will try to give this some thought. I just had a brief look at MapRoulette, but I don’t really understand yet what the technical requirements are. Just loading the .osm file as a separate layer in JOSM seems to be a reasonable way to use the data. Potentially, I could re-generate the file often, to provide an up-to-date indication of what is left to do. However there would be no easy way for someone to mark for others the fact that a way doesn’t really need changing; and that could lead to some duplicated effort. Incidentally, I noticed that you used some of the data in the last 24hrs to update road names on KI. I decided to have a go too, adding some missing roads, also to KI. The procedure of copying a road from one layer to another, joining it to existing ways, and uploading, seems to be fairly easy once you get into the rhythm. I was able to add around one missing road every 30 seconds or so. By the way, I have just put an updated version of “missing.osm” in my Google Drive folder, based on the state of OSM today (rather than 9 Feb, like the previous one). ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] opening_hours
Am Samstag, 21. Februar 2015, 17:01:57 schrieb Robin `ypid` Schneider: das ist kein Problem. Die entsprechende Syntax ist hier Dokumentiert [1]. Danke -- mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinz-Jürgen Oertel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, I see what you mean now. I dropped the forward/backward roles on the ways a few years ago. Recently I thought that they should be a help for the sorting algorithm, but your example proves they aren't. Well, they do help for sorting out which way a route should be going and in which order to some extent. Though I'm starting to wish we had a way to number the sequence. Role wouldn't do it since we still need forward and backwards... I've been developing a script, which tries to use other good relations to fix the one it's currently run on. For that script to be able to work, you'd need the stops in the correct order though. It works like this: For a sequence of stops it tries to find other relations which have the same sequence. The other relation with the longest sequence in common 'wins'. Then it finds the ways adjacent to the stops on each end of the sequence, then uses the sequence of ways that connects the stops. We can work that way, because we have received the stops and the timetables from the operators, but it's the opposite of what you start with, when you have to get on the bus to create a GPX to get an idea about one the variation routes of a line. (After that you'd use the unstable plugin to add the stops that are already mapped). Well, the GPX would gather the itinerary. I still need to go back through and doublecheck about 1600 stops, since there's a very high number of stops that aren't signed in any way, shape or form that Code for America Tulsa received from Tulsa Transit. And, as far as I'm aware, we expect some kind of permanently fixed marker recognizable as such to be able to map it as a bus stop. If we *do* have some way to tag this situation despite a lack of ground truth in the physical sense, then, by all means, someone please let me know now, so I can back out of tagging stops for a minute, revert and repull. In which case, I'll have the opposite problem I do now, which would be *adding* a large number of stops that *aren't* in the data we got from Tulsa Transit (which, IMO, is the less worse problem to have, even though that's a bigger project). The script works quite well, as long as you have some 'golden' routes it can grab way sequences from. Ouch! Yeah, I'm not entirely sure that's going to be readily done given Tulsa's situation. I wish this situation were unique, but I somehow think I'm going to be beating my head against the wall when I start working with the OK Coders to pull in Oklahoma City's transit systems. And maybe in the future, the Iowa Pacific Railroad's upcoming regional transit system, the Eastern Flyer Express and it's associated bus network... ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
het was ook helemaal niet de bedoeling om de exacte positie te kennen, enkel om te weten hoe de verdeling is over de gemeenten. Het is normaal dat er bv. meer cafe's en restaurants te vinden zijn in Brugge, maar bepaalde kuststeden zijn volgens mij toch nog niet zo goed gemapped. Om de kaart met QGIS te maken zijn er wel wat stappen nodig, benieuwd of je dat zomaar in JavaScript kan simuleren. mvg m 2015-02-21 21:38 GMT+01:00 Marc Zoutendijk marczoutend...@mac.com: Op 21 feb. 2015, om 20:53 heeft Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: ik had inderdaad ook even gedacht om jouw tool te gebruiken, maar dan heb je niet echt getallen en moet je verder gaan op het aantal icoontjes dat je ziet. Is helemaal waar, maar in de kale cijfers zoals jij die laat zien, is weer niet duidelijk welke poi’s waar zijn te vinden. Ik denk dat je ze beiden goed naast elkaar kunt gebruiken. Maar ik zoek nog wel naar een mogelijkheid om de aantallen ook te vermelden… Marc. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes
El 20/02/2015 10:42 pm, Michał Brzozowski escribió: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Perhaps the most frustrating type of note is one where the writer clearly meant to help, but there's just not enough information available to act on it. I can also relate to this. Any help on getting this is appreciated: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/776 Maybe I could do research into an app which would allow for no-frills GPS trace collection and upload to some service (actually this can be done in HTML5 - you can ask specifically for GPS in geolocation API). This way when someone complains about missing roundabout that happens to be yet invisible in aerial photos, we could ask the person to get a trace. People caring about OSM enough to bother getting a trace would add the data themselves. The amount of GPX files uploaders who don't want or cannot contribute data would be too small to this to be worth. Eduardo ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Greg Troxel writes: That said, there is a lot of junk. But I just close them if I can't figure them out and if I'm fairly sure I wouldn't be able to if I showed up. I agree with Greg. If the not submitter didn't put a lot of effort into it, then you as a mapper shouldn't put a lot of effort into it either. Unless you feel like solving a puzzle! If all we give them is a blank white box staring them in the face, what can we expect? It would be easy enough to run an experiment where the notes interface steps the user through writing a good report, and see what the impact on volume of notes is. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes
Greg Troxel writes: That said, there is a lot of junk. But I just close them if I can't figure them out and if I'm fairly sure I wouldn't be able to if I showed up. I agree with Greg. If the not submitter didn't put a lot of effort into it, then you as a mapper shouldn't put a lot of effort into it either. Unless you feel like solving a puzzle! -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org
Clifford Snow writes: If you look at the bridge segment of the highway going north, it has the tag motor_vehicle=no. Geez, I killed two birds but the third was still blocking. Is there any way to get an error message out of OSRM when it throws up its hands and can't find a route? It's pretty easy to move the pins around and watch a route go from normal to insane. The difficulty is in determining exactly why. If, for example, OSRM could say You asked me for a motor vehicle routing on a way that doesn't permit motor vehicles, I could have found the problem immediately. Let us know if that fixes the problem It hasn't fixed the problem yet. That's why we need some way to force a reload, or tell the user how long they'll have to wait before checking. Maybe if you've hit the edit button, that should invalidate your cache? -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Eduardo e...@mayorgalinux.com wrote: Maybe I could do research into an app which would allow for no-frills GPS trace collection and upload to some service (actually this can be done in HTML5 - you can ask specifically for GPS in geolocation API). This way when someone complains about missing roundabout that happens to be yet invisible in aerial photos, we could ask the person to get a trace. People caring about OSM enough to bother getting a trace would add the data themselves. The amount of GPX files uploaders who don't want or cannot contribute data would be too small to this to be worth. Not necessarily. Note making and GPX tracing is part of my routine, every day data collection activity. I try to go back and map through what I've collected data on, but sometimes there's somewhere between a don't know enough about the area and a that trip really sucked and I don't want to revisit it angle. I'd rather have the data I collected available to someone else working on the area in either case rather than just have that knowledge lost because I had a bad or especially draining road trip and just Did Not Care™ when I got back. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops
Hi Paul, How do passengers know where to go and stand if there are no physical markers? I think a bus stop should be able to be defined by the fact the driver knows where to halt and the passengers know where to wait. Isn't that 'convention' also some sort of ground truth? Im sure this case happens in many countries around the world, although in some of those countries it may be the case a bus can be flagged at any point on its itinerary. Of course, as soon as roads become busier, that's not possible/practical anymore. I've been working a few years adding almost 7 stops for a small country. That was a lot of work, of course. But now I notice that adding and maintaining the routes is even more work, hence the creation of the script to automate the process where possible. One of the problems I faced is that when I needed to fix a route, I had to apply the same fix to all the variations of that route, over and over again. Now I do it once, creating a 'golden route', then letting the script take care of the others. It's still some work, as I need to check manually if the code got it right, route by route. Concerning the roles, I guess they may help JOSM and iD when people split ways, although I think JOSM gets that right without them already. A bigger problem is people joining ways, which results in stumps that are not connected to the next way anymore. And of course, deleting ways, potentially replacing them by new ones. Jo 2015-02-22 6:10 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, I see what you mean now. I dropped the forward/backward roles on the ways a few years ago. Recently I thought that they should be a help for the sorting algorithm, but your example proves they aren't. Well, they do help for sorting out which way a route should be going and in which order to some extent. Though I'm starting to wish we had a way to number the sequence. Role wouldn't do it since we still need forward and backwards... I've been developing a script, which tries to use other good relations to fix the one it's currently run on. For that script to be able to work, you'd need the stops in the correct order though. It works like this: For a sequence of stops it tries to find other relations which have the same sequence. The other relation with the longest sequence in common 'wins'. Then it finds the ways adjacent to the stops on each end of the sequence, then uses the sequence of ways that connects the stops. We can work that way, because we have received the stops and the timetables from the operators, but it's the opposite of what you start with, when you have to get on the bus to create a GPX to get an idea about one the variation routes of a line. (After that you'd use the unstable plugin to add the stops that are already mapped). Well, the GPX would gather the itinerary. I still need to go back through and doublecheck about 1600 stops, since there's a very high number of stops that aren't signed in any way, shape or form that Code for America Tulsa received from Tulsa Transit. And, as far as I'm aware, we expect some kind of permanently fixed marker recognizable as such to be able to map it as a bus stop. If we *do* have some way to tag this situation despite a lack of ground truth in the physical sense, then, by all means, someone please let me know now, so I can back out of tagging stops for a minute, revert and repull. In which case, I'll have the opposite problem I do now, which would be *adding* a large number of stops that *aren't* in the data we got from Tulsa Transit (which, IMO, is the less worse problem to have, even though that's a bigger project). The script works quite well, as long as you have some 'golden' routes it can grab way sequences from. Ouch! Yeah, I'm not entirely sure that's going to be readily done given Tulsa's situation. I wish this situation were unique, but I somehow think I'm going to be beating my head against the wall when I start working with the OK Coders to pull in Oklahoma City's transit systems. And maybe in the future, the Iowa Pacific Railroad's upcoming regional transit system, the Eastern Flyer Express and it's associated bus network... ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[OSM-talk-nl] Buitenlandse supermarkten (toko) in nederland
Soms voeg ik buitenlandse supermarkten toe. Deze kunnen erg van elkaar verschillen van hele kleine toko´s tot redelijk grote Chinese supermarkten. Wat is een redelijke manier van taggen? Ik heb tot nu toe de tag van buurtwinkel gebruikt, maar een nationaliteit is misschien ook wel handig. lijsten met buitenlandse supermarkten: http://tokowijzer.nl/tokos/ http://www.bigos.nl/culinair/poolse-winkels/poolse-winkels-in-nederland/ http://polenforum.nl/polenblog/poolse-winkels-nederland-polski-sklepy-w-holandii/ Ronald ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [Talk-lt] Leono Rutkausko kalakutų ūkis
Didelis POI poligonas; Mažas POI taškas. O kaip kitaip? 2015 m. vasario 21 d. 10:46, Mantas sire...@gmail.com rašė: Sveiki, šiandien pastebėjau, kad Pilaitėje, virš Norfos pastato puikuojasi didelis užrašas „Leono Rutkausko kalakutų ūkis“: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/54.71051/25.18387 Iš pradžių pagalvojau, kad čia kažkoks vandalizmo atveji, bet po to pastebėjau, kad ten yra vienas POI ir iš tikrųjų Norfoje yra kažkokia kalakutienos parduotuvė. Tai tikriausiai čia nėra vandalizmas. Klausimas, kaip užtikrinti, kad mažas POI neperdengtų viso pastato? Ar čia tiesiog rederinimo klaida? -- Mantas aka sirex __o /\ _ \,_ -- launchpad.net/~sirex -- /\/ \ ___(_)/_(_)_/_/\ ^ ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt -- Darius Žitkevičius Laimingas tas, kuris džiaugsmingai dirba ir džiaugiasi darbais, kuriuos padarė. – J. V. Gėtė. ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
Als beginnend mapper probeer ik zo goed als het kan de Regio Kortrijk af te speuren. Kan indien nodig steentje bijbrengen voor regio West-Vlaanderen. Maar ken nog niet alles hé zoals de term Marc dual-carriageways Jakka Marc Gemis schreef op 21/02/2015 om 11:16: Ik ben de laatste tijd nogal bezig geweest met het wegennet in West-Vlaanderen. Voor auto's valt het IMHO nogal goed mee, op het verkeerde gebruik van dual-carriageways na dan. Fietspaden zijn jammer genoeg al eens verkeerd verbonden. Misschien moet je Brecht Bonne, onze vorige mapper van de maand eens contacteren ivm het wandelnetwerk. Hij zit jammer genoeg niet op de mailing list, maar ik denk wel dat dat snor zit. Een tijdje geleden ben ik gecontacteerd geweest door user Bbase met een soortgelijke vraag. Heeft hij weet van dit project ? Maar hopelijk kunnen George of Sander een beter beeld tekenen van de situatie in hun provincie mvg m 2015-02-21 10:35 GMT+01:00 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com: Dag iedereen, (in dutch only because this is for West-Vlaanderen specifically) Westtoer wil graag OSM gebruiken voor hun toeristische geprinte kaarten. Nu vragen zij zich een paar zaken af over kwaliteit: - Hoe is de kwaliteit in WVL? En hoe kunnen ze dat in de gaten houden? Een voorbeeld: Laatste 100 wijzigingen aan wegen/fietspaden. - Hoeveel mappers zijn er ongeveer in WVL? - Hoeveel updates zijn er per tijdseenheid/area. Is er iemand die hiervoor een inspannigske wil/kan leveren om bovenstaande statistiekskes te verzamelen? Ik denk aan Joost maar hopelijk zijn er nog kandidaten. En last, but not least: - Hoe kunnen zij de community 'een extra impuls' geven? In het kort zoeken ze voor de community-impuls naar iemand die de west-vlaamse mappers wat wil vertegenwoordigen. Ik zie hier zelf het potentieel voor gesponsorde mapping parties, een grotere zichtbaarheid voor OSM, etc. maar ze is ruimte voor creativiteit hier. Ze vragen zich gewoon af wat ze kunnen doen om de WVL-OSM community te ondersteunen, te helpen groeien, etc... Laat zeker weten als je dit ziet zitten. Laat je niet afschrikken voor de workload want dat zal nogal meevallen denk ik. Cheers, Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [Talk-lt] Leono Rutkausko kalakutų ūkis
For the record: http://imgur.com/h15of1o 2015 m. vasario 21 d. 11:05, Aurimas Fišeras auri...@members.fsf.org rašė: 2015.02.21 10:46, Mantas rašė: Sveiki, šiandien pastebėjau, kad Pilaitėje, virš Norfos pastato puikuojasi didelis užrašas „Leono Rutkausko kalakutų ūkis“: ;) https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/54.71051/25.18387 Iš pradžių pagalvojau, kad čia kažkoks vandalizmo atveji, bet po to pastebėjau, kad ten yra vienas POI ir iš tikrųjų Norfoje yra kažkokia kalakutienos parduotuvė. Tai tikriausiai čia nėra vandalizmas. Ne kažkokia, o „Leono Rutkausko kalakutų ūkio“. Klausimas, kaip užtikrinti, kad mažas POI neperdengtų viso pastato? Ar čia tiesiog rederinimo klaida? Manau, reikėtų sudėti visus likusius POI Norfoje ir tada nė vieno užrašo neberodytų, nes ten yra daug, bet mažų parduotuvių. Tik tiek, kad ten labai dažnai tos mažos parduotuvėlės keičiasi... -- Mantas aka sirex __o /\ _ \,_ -- launchpad.net/~sirex -- /\/ \ ___(_)/_(_)_/_/\ ^ ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
Ik ben de laatste tijd nogal bezig geweest met het wegennet in West-Vlaanderen. Voor auto's valt het IMHO nogal goed mee, op het verkeerde gebruik van dual-carriageways na dan. Fietspaden zijn jammer genoeg al eens verkeerd verbonden. Misschien moet je Brecht Bonne, onze vorige mapper van de maand eens contacteren ivm het wandelnetwerk. Hij zit jammer genoeg niet op de mailing list, maar ik denk wel dat dat snor zit. Een tijdje geleden ben ik gecontacteerd geweest door user Bbase met een soortgelijke vraag. Heeft hij weet van dit project ? Maar hopelijk kunnen George of Sander een beter beeld tekenen van de situatie in hun provincie mvg m 2015-02-21 10:35 GMT+01:00 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com: Dag iedereen, (in dutch only because this is for West-Vlaanderen specifically) Westtoer wil graag OSM gebruiken voor hun toeristische geprinte kaarten. Nu vragen zij zich een paar zaken af over kwaliteit: - Hoe is de kwaliteit in WVL? En hoe kunnen ze dat in de gaten houden? Een voorbeeld: Laatste 100 wijzigingen aan wegen/fietspaden. - Hoeveel mappers zijn er ongeveer in WVL? - Hoeveel updates zijn er per tijdseenheid/area. Is er iemand die hiervoor een inspannigske wil/kan leveren om bovenstaande statistiekskes te verzamelen? Ik denk aan Joost maar hopelijk zijn er nog kandidaten. En last, but not least: - Hoe kunnen zij de community 'een extra impuls' geven? In het kort zoeken ze voor de community-impuls naar iemand die de west-vlaamse mappers wat wil vertegenwoordigen. Ik zie hier zelf het potentieel voor gesponsorde mapping parties, een grotere zichtbaarheid voor OSM, etc. maar ze is ruimte voor creativiteit hier. Ze vragen zich gewoon af wat ze kunnen doen om de WVL-OSM community te ondersteunen, te helpen groeien, etc... Laat zeker weten als je dit ziet zitten. Laat je niet afschrikken voor de workload want dat zal nogal meevallen denk ik. Cheers, Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-ja] インターナショナルオープンデータデイ2015協賛浜松会場のご案内
みなさんへ こんにちは、なおやです。 マルチポストしてますが、告知が遅れて広く周知したいためご容赦ください。 2月22日(日)にインターナショナルオープンデータデイ2015協賛浜松会場のイベントとしてマッピングパーティを開催します。 （※諸作業が間に合わないのでIODDとして正式に申請しておりません。） http://osm-tokai-hm.connpass.com/event/12096/ http://osmsenmon.hamazo.tv/ 天気予報が雨ですので、インドアマッピングになるかもしれません。 是非、ご参加ください。 -- /---@_@---/ なおや NISHINO Naoya Twitter http://twitter.com/naoya_24 ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] MAJ flux ortho CRAIG pour JOSM
Le 21 février 2015 01:18:48 UTC+01:00, Nicolas Dumoulin nicolas_openstreetmap@dumoulin63.net a écrit : Salut Landry, salut les gens, Le vendredi 20 février 2015 13:26:55 Landry Breuil a écrit : Est-ce que quelqu'un peut modifier la configuration par défaut pour que soient utilisés au choix le TMS ou le WMS-tuilé suivants : J'ai essayé de mettre à jour http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Maps/France[1] selon tes dires. Je me suis raté au début, mais je pense avoir corrigé l'URL … mon josm ne l'a pas encore pris en compte. Je verrai demain … Par contre, pour la source, j'ai mis Orthophotographie CRAIG/Sintegra/IGN 2013 car l'entrée agrége les données des 4 départements. Ça te va, ou bien il faut séparer en deux entrées, une avec la source Sintegra et l'autre pour IGN ? Oui c'est bien plus simple s'il n'y a qu'un flux/couche, ce dernier affiche le 10cm sur les agglos et le 25 ailleurs.. Et c'est pas un soucis que les 2 coproducteurs soient associés! J'ai un peu mis à jour https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_France/CRAIG au passage. Merci! ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-de] opening_hours
Hallo Heinz, das ist kein Problem. Die entsprechende Syntax ist hier Dokumentiert [1]. Die Öffnungszeiten können so geschrieben werden: Mar 15-Nov 15: Mo-Su 10:00-22:00 Siehe auch das Auswertewerkzeug http://openingh.openstreetmap.de/evaluation_tool/ http://www.osm24.eu/ benutzt https://github.com/ypid/opening_hours.js und sollte deshalb auch die Syntax unterstützen. [1]: : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:opening_hours/specification#date On 21.02.2015 14:05, Heinz-Jürgen Oertel wrote: Hallo, hat jemand einen Tipp für Gaststätten, welche erst Mitten im Monat ihr Geschäft öffnen? Monatsweise geht zu spezifizieren: Mar-Nov: Mo-Su 10:00-22:00 aber wie sieht es aus, wenn erst ab 15.März geöffnet wird? leider scheint auch http://www.osm24.eu/ die saisonalen Öffnunszeiten (noch) nicht zu berücksichtigen. Heinz ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de -- Live long and prosper Robin Schneider signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagger une place composite ?
Bonjour, Je suis confronté à ce cas de figure : une place (Place du Général Ingold) qui est composé d'un jardin et d'un espace piéton. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148291423 https://www.google.fr/maps/search/place+achard+paris/@48.872214,2.377427,3a,75y,340.01h,84.34t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sozEY0dpMZBsa2Gr-MH6rNQ!2e0 Je vois deux façons de faire : - un area = yes portant le nom et la réf Fantoir + 2 sous-zones, l'une jardin, l'autre zone piétonne OU - 2 area (un jardin, une zone piétonne) portant chacun le même nom (Place du Général Ingold) et la même ref:FR:FANTOIR Merci pour vos avis. Brice ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
Op 21-02-15 om 10:35 schreef Ben Abelshausen: Dag iedereen, (in dutch only because this is for West-Vlaanderen specifically) Westtoer wil graag OSM gebruiken voor hun toeristische geprinte kaarten. Nu vragen zij zich een paar zaken af over kwaliteit: - Hoe is de kwaliteit in WVL? En hoe kunnen ze dat in de gaten houden? Een voorbeeld: Laatste 100 wijzigingen aan wegen/fietspaden. Als autonome regio W Vl, met zijn eigen karaktertrekken, konden ze de kaart van het kadaster laten bijvoegen in osm, net als in Frankrijk. - Hoeveel mappers zijn er ongeveer in WVL? Alle gemeentebesturen konden meedoen... Marc ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
Op 21 februari 2015 10:35 schreef Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com : Dag iedereen, (in dutch only because this is for West-Vlaanderen specifically) Westtoer wil graag OSM gebruiken voor hun toeristische geprinte kaarten. Nu vragen zij zich een paar zaken af over kwaliteit: - Hoe is de kwaliteit in WVL? En hoe kunnen ze dat in de gaten houden? Een voorbeeld: Laatste 100 wijzigingen aan wegen/fietspaden. Bij mijn weten zijn ongeveer alle verbindingspaden in OSM gemapt. En als er een nieuw pad ergens bij komt, dan duurt het ook niet zo lang voor het in OSM terecht komt. Fietspaden langs wegen zijn vaak nog niet gemapt. In WVL is er ook geen uniforme kwaliteit. Zo is De Panne jaren ongemapt gebleven (was de laatste Vlaamse streek waar bijna geen straatnamen te vinden waren). Maar andere (dichter bevolkte) streken zoals rond Brugge, Kortrijk, Roeselare, ... vallen tamelijk goed mee. - Hoeveel mappers zijn er ongeveer in WVL? Ik denk dat Pascal Neis hier over mooie statistieken heeft: http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=10lat=51.00781lon=3.17347layers=B00FTT Als je de categorieën met weinig changesets uitvinkt, dan zie je mooi de vaste bijdragers aan OSM. - Hoeveel updates zijn er per tijdseenheid/area. Moeilijk uit te drukken. lodde1949 is de laatste tijd bezig geweest met het overtekenen van landuse a.d.h.v. luchtfoto's. Dus is het aantal wijzigingen in de laatste maanden wel groot, maar de relevantie er van is miniem. Ook heb ik van hem vaak verkeerde bewerkingen gezien: landuse=cemetery op een woongebied, landuse=forest rond de kruin van een enkele boom in een (soms private) tuin, het verbeteren van een kerk door alle nodes naar de dakrand te schuiven (waardoor de toren ook soms naast een kerk komt te liggen) ... Is er iemand die hiervoor een inspannigske wil/kan leveren om bovenstaande statistiekskes te verzamelen? Ik denk aan Joost maar hopelijk zijn er nog kandidaten. En last, but not least: - Hoe kunnen zij de community 'een extra impuls' geven? Het hangt af van de focus. Ik veronderstel dat westtoer het minder belangrijk acht dat de routeergegevens voor vrachtwagens correct zijn ingebracht, en er een navigatiesysteem voor hen wordt ontwikkeld. Bij community projecten is er over het algemeen een verband tussen degene die gebruik maken van de data, en degene die ze bewerken. Als westtoer dus meer fietspaden op OSM willen, dan moeten ze OSM promoten in folders gericht aan fietsers of aan fietsclubs. Als ze meer monumenten op OSM willen, dan moeten ze OSM promoten in hun westhoekjes, als ze meer horeca willen, dan wordt het best gepromoot in de gastronomisch-gerichte folders, ... In het kort zoeken ze voor de community-impuls naar iemand die de west-vlaamse mappers wat wil vertegenwoordigen. Ik zie hier zelf het potentieel voor gesponsorde mapping parties, een grotere zichtbaarheid voor OSM, etc. maar ze is ruimte voor creativiteit hier. Ze vragen zich gewoon af wat ze kunnen doen om de WVL-OSM community te ondersteunen, te helpen groeien, etc... Laat zeker weten als je dit ziet zitten. Laat je niet afschrikken voor de workload want dat zal nogal meevallen denk ik. Cheers, Ben Zelf denk ik niet echt geschikt te zijn voor dat werk. Maar zelfs zonder ambassadeur kunnen ze heel wat verwezelijken. Als ze OSM kaarten gebruiken in folders, boekjes en websites, met een link naar een welkomstpagina (zoals http://www.openstreetmap.org/welcome , maar eventueel iets specifieker voor België, bv. met een link naar de mailing list). Groeten, Sander ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cantons départementaux... opendataday ce samedi et hackelections ce lundi
Et on n'aurait pas un petit script sous le coude pour récupérer les ID des relations des communes à partir d'une liste ? Parceque ça va pas vite avec le formulaire de recherche :-/ -- Nicolas Dumoulin http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NicolasDumoulin ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[Talk-lt] Leono Rutkausko kalakutų ūkis
Sveiki, šiandien pastebėjau, kad Pilaitėje, virš Norfos pastato puikuojasi didelis užrašas „Leono Rutkausko kalakutų ūkis“: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/54.71051/25.18387 Iš pradžių pagalvojau, kad čia kažkoks vandalizmo atveji, bet po to pastebėjau, kad ten yra vienas POI ir iš tikrųjų Norfoje yra kažkokia kalakutienos parduotuvė. Tai tikriausiai čia nėra vandalizmas. Klausimas, kaip užtikrinti, kad mažas POI neperdengtų viso pastato? Ar čia tiesiog rederinimo klaida? -- Mantas aka sirex __o /\ _ \,_ -- launchpad.net/~sirex -- /\/ \ ___(_)/_(_)_/_/\ ^ ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
[Talk-de] www.openstreetmap.org/#map
Hallo liebe Freunde, ich hatte schon vor paar Tagen nach apps für Android gefragt und auch so manches getestet. Ich bin beruflich viel in der Gegend unterwegs und komme in Gassen und Bauerhöfe, wo sich sonst keiner hin verirrt. Da möchte ich dann schnell noch eine Hausnummer und eventuell auch den fehlenden Strassennamen in OSM eintragen. Da ich ja die Kundenadressen habe ist mir Strassenname und HNummer bekannt. Zer Zeitaufwand sollte so bei ca 1min liegen. Eine Nachbearbeitung später am Computer soll möglichst entfallen. Als Zielführend habe ich jetzt http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map und einen Fehler melden genutzt und Strassenname und Nummer gesetzt. Als ich abends zu Hause war, war die Strasse bereits getaggt und das Haus mit Nummer gab es schon. Super genial, so eine Community. Jetzt meine Frage: Wer ist Ansprechpartner für die Programmierung vom Bugreport auf www.openstreetmap.org/#map? Die Bedienung von einen Fehler melden auf dem Smartphone ist möglich, da lässt sich aber noch einiges optimieren. Diese Meldefunktion macht ja am meisten auf dem Smartphone Sinn, weil da bin ich ja vor Ort und kann gleich die korrekten Daten melden. Wer wäre da Ansprechpartner bzw könnte helfen? Liebe Grüße Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
Dag iedereen, (in dutch only because this is for West-Vlaanderen specifically) Westtoer wil graag OSM gebruiken voor hun toeristische geprinte kaarten. Nu vragen zij zich een paar zaken af over kwaliteit: - Hoe is de kwaliteit in WVL? En hoe kunnen ze dat in de gaten houden? Een voorbeeld: Laatste 100 wijzigingen aan wegen/fietspaden. - Hoeveel mappers zijn er ongeveer in WVL? - Hoeveel updates zijn er per tijdseenheid/area. Is er iemand die hiervoor een inspannigske wil/kan leveren om bovenstaande statistiekskes te verzamelen? Ik denk aan Joost maar hopelijk zijn er nog kandidaten. En last, but not least: - Hoe kunnen zij de community 'een extra impuls' geven? In het kort zoeken ze voor de community-impuls naar iemand die de west-vlaamse mappers wat wil vertegenwoordigen. Ik zie hier zelf het potentieel voor gesponsorde mapping parties, een grotere zichtbaarheid voor OSM, etc. maar ze is ruimte voor creativiteit hier. Ze vragen zich gewoon af wat ze kunnen doen om de WVL-OSM community te ondersteunen, te helpen groeien, etc... Laat zeker weten als je dit ziet zitten. Laat je niet afschrikken voor de workload want dat zal nogal meevallen denk ik. Cheers, Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[Talk-it] Ubuntu Touch e OpenStreetMap
argomento non proprio intopic al 100% ma che potrebbe ugualmente interessare alcuni di voi. Da qualche settimana sono cominciate le vendite dei primi smartphone con su il sistema operativo Ubuntu Touch (UT)[1]...vendite chiaramente indirizzati agli sviluppatori per cercare di avviare la crescita del numero di App e Scopes. Una delle app di cui si sente di più la mancanza è quella per la navigazione...a differenza di tutti i tipi di smartphone concorrenti infatti UT al momento non offre ancora capacità di navigazione...essendo Canonical, cioè l'azienda che produce il sistema operativo Ubuntu, molto piccola è estremamente improbabile che possa mettere in piedi un sistema di mappe personale ergo la neccessità di affidarsi a servizi esterni... La tentazione di cadere su servizi famosi e molto diffusi è grande visto che, a torto o a ragione non so, viene visto come indice di buona affidabilità; A giocare però contro questa ipotesi è il fatto che quasi tutti i sistemi di navigazione attualmente in circolazione appartengono ad aziende concorrenti nel campo mobile (microsoft, google e apple). Un altro punto a sfavore di questa scelta, che personalmente apprezzo di più,è anche la forte volontà e necessità per UT di distinguersi dalla concorrenza anche per poter avere qualche chance di successo in un mercato ormai ampiamente conquistato dalla concorrenza. Tutto ciò ci porta ad OSM...attualmente osm ha già una timida presenza sul market ubuntu (basta fare la ricerca in questa pagina [2]). OSM come scelta sembrerebbe essere perfetto per numerosi motivi: *È totalmente opensource come gran parte del progetto UT. *È personalizzabile nella forma in cui si presenta ed è quindi adattabile alle esigenze di design/stuile di UT. *È supportato da una vasta communiti di mappatori e sviluppatori ed è quindi un progetto di cui non deve farsi carico Canonical. *È gratuito è questo permette di non dover applicare costi aggiuntivi di vendita che in questo momento potrebbero decretare la fine del progetto. *È già integrato all'interno di Debian, ladistro madre di Ubuntu e quindi UT. *Per come è impostato può dare forti apporti con lo scope Nearby, che fondalmente altro non è che un elenco di notizie ed eventi nelle vicinanze, con i suoi POI. OSM forse sarebbe quella che ci guadagna meno ma a mio avviso potrebbe essere un altro tassello importante della sua storia : *Avrebbe un maggiore visibilità in un settore a forte presenza di sviluppatori ed amanti del FOSS e dei progetti crowdsourced. *Per la prima volta si troverebbe in un ambiente con nulla diretta concorrenza. *Per la prima volta si troverebbe in un settore con nulla diretta presenza di servizi che ne fanno uso ergo la possibilità di esprimere a pieno il proprio potenziale e fornire direttamente servizi senza rischiare di pestare i piedi ad aziende supporters *Essendo gli smartphone ubuntu di fatto collegati alla rete (per poter a pieno accedere a contenuti in tempo reale e in base alla zona in cui si trova il device) OSM dimostrerebbe il suo potenziale nell'utilizzo online e non come una alternativa per evitare i costi di roaming (l'unico motivo che ho sentito essere utilizzato da utenti di programmi che usano OSM). *La natura e il fatto di essere opensource, unito alla gratuiticità di OSM e alla mancanza di concorrenza (e quindi alternative per canonical) potrebbero portare facilmente ad una integrazione forte tra device, sistema operativo ed OSM dove fruizione di un contenuto e creazione perdono granparte della loro distinzione. Non so cosa riservi il futuro, ma il fatto che sin dalle prime fasi di sviluppo di UT ci fose già una, seppur minima, presenza di OSM mi fa ben sperare sulla possibilità che entrambi i progetti possano realizzare grandi cose assieme.La community OSM e i suoi sviluppatori possono fare molto per spingere per questa presenza e, sperabilmente, integrazione. A mio avviso è un opportunità ghiotta e che non dovremmo lasciarci sfuggire. [1]http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/bq-ubuntu-phone-goes-sale-next-week-e169-meizu-device-coming-soon http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/02/96735 [2]https://appstore.bhdouglass.com - Ciao, Aury -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Ubuntu-Touch-e-OpenStreetMap-tp5834454.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] MiniMapping Party al Parco del Lura - Saronno VA
Insieme ad un gruppo di classi dell'IC Leonardo da Vinci Saronno (Va) sì farà un giro per le foto geotaggate (tempo permettendo) nel parco Lura, con alla guida Emanuela Scaioli. Progetto DALL'EXPO AL PO. Abbiamo già parlato di OpenStreetMap e Sabato 28 febbraio in mattinata si continuerà il lavoro in classe, con inserimento di dati su OSM. - - Le ultime dal mio blog: Perchè una mappa degli alberi? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/MiniMapping-Party-al-Parco-del-Lura-Saronno-VA-tp5834459.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagger une place composite ?
Bonjour, Le problème de ta deuxième solution (un jardin et une zone piétonne avec chacun un nom et chacun la même ref:FR:FANTOIR) est que l'information est redondante. A mon sens, la première solution est suffisante, car l'usage de area=yes semble admis pour les places/squares. Je crois même que le highway=pedestrian peut être omis dans le cas de places complexes. Je pense d'ailleurs que c'est la solution à préconiser pour les places avec jardins, parcs, etc. car elle permet d'éviter l'usage d'une relation de type 'site', et de permet de contenir l'ensemble de la place et non seulement un sous élément, et cela tout en évident la redondance des informations. Le samedi 21 février 2015, 17:09:15 Brice MALLET a écrit : Bonjour, Je suis confronté à ce cas de figure : une place (Place du Général Ingold) qui est composé d'un jardin et d'un espace piéton. http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148291423 https://www.google.fr/maps/search/place+achard+paris/@48.872214,2.377427,3a, 75y,340.01h,84.34t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sozEY0dpMZBsa2Gr-MH6rNQ!2e0 Je vois deux façons de faire : - un area = yes portant le nom et la réf Fantoir + 2 sous-zones, l'une jardin, l'autre zone piétonne OU - 2 area (un jardin, une zone piétonne) portant chacun le même nom (Place du Général Ingold) et la même ref:FR:FANTOIR Merci pour vos avis. Brice ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
2015-02-21 11:40 GMT+01:00 Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com: Maar ken nog niet alles hé zoals de term Marc dual-carriageways Dat is een weg met middenberm (ken geen goed Nederlands woord). Als er een echte, fysische middenberm is worden die als 2 eenrichtingswegen gemapped, zoals bij een autostrade. Je mag dit niet gebruiken als er enkel een doorlopende witte middenstreep is. Dit heb ik onlangs moeten corrigeren op een aantal plekken in Brugge. Dat is op zich niet zo lastig, behalve als er een aantal buslijnen over liggen. Ook ben ik een aantal plaatsen tegengekomen waar er afzonderlijke wegen getekend zijn voor rijstroken, dit doe je normaal gezien ook niet. Maar daar heb je allemaal vrij weinig last van als je een kaart tekent. mvg m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cantons départementaux... opendataday ce samedi et hackelections ce lundi
Petite amélioration :
1. remplacer la commande du 1 par :
for c in $(echo MachinVille, TrucVille, BrefMaListeDeVilles | sed -e
's/,/\n/g'); do echo
'relation[boundary=administrative][name='${c}'];(._;;);out meta;'; done
2. Commencer la requête overpass par (avec le bon code département) :
[out:xml];
area[boundary=administrative][ref:INSEE=41]-.a;
3. coller le résultat du 1
4. plus de 4, on passe au 5
5. exécuter la requête
Et on a dans le fichier résultant les relations avec leurs membres, c'est plus
pratique.
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Re: [Talk-br] Aplicativos navegação
Também uso mapas OSM no meu Garmin, mas não uso Cocardl por falta do arquivos .GMAP para instalação no Mac OS X com os ferramentas Garmin (eu sei que posso instalar no meu GPS manualmente, mas uso mesmo mapas para Garmin BaseCamp, que não aceito arquivos .IMG sem compilar ao .GMAP), baixando do http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ que atualizando mais ou menus semanal. Roteamento nestes mapas do garmin.openstreetmap.nl http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/ dar velocidades que e ilegal no Brasil, um indicativo que nosso mapa ainda falta muitos trechos com velocidade mapeado (maxspeed). Aun Johnsen On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:00, Helio Cesar Tomio hcto...@gmail.com mailto:hcto...@gmail.com wrote: Eu uso para navegação, o Garmin com os mapas da Cocardl (que tem compilações diárias ). Pode instalar o Viago no smartphone e modificar para rodar offline com os mapas na memória. Outro muito bom e roda em Qq sistema é o 7ways usando as personalizações do fidelis.assis, no fórum da GpsPoint. Ele compila mapas mensalmente. O 7ways tb grava rotas e pois em gpx, alertas de radares Maparadar... Pode ser usado no computador, simular rotas previamente ou mesmo conectar com o gps do smartphone pelo bluetooth. Já acho o 7ways superior ao garmin. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: I've already used it to fix three routing problems (an overly long oneway, an access=no that no longer applied, and a bidirectional motorway). Except they're not active. They haven't fixed anything. The routing is still wrong. Look: http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_carroute=45.0034%2C-74.7403%3B45.0119%2C-74.7379#map=11/44.8909/-75.1077 If you look at the bridge segment of the highway going north, it has the tag motor_vehicle=no. Change that to yes (or just remove it) and it will most likely work. I didn't change it so you can see for yourself. Besides, it could be limited to foot/bike traffics. Let us know if that fixes the problem Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] MAJ flux ortho CRAIG pour JOSM
Le samedi 21 février 2015 16:54:25 Landry Breuil a écrit : Oui c'est bien plus simple s'il n'y a qu'un flux/couche, ce dernier affiche le 10cm sur les agglos et le 25 ailleurs.. Et c'est pas un soucis que les 2 coproducteurs soient associés! OK. Au passage, on gagne en résolution depuis le millésime précédent, mais on a perdu en qualité de prise de vue sur certaine zone. Par exemple les prises de vue du Puy de Dôme ont été prises au petit matin je pense, car on a une belle ombre portée sur le versant ouest. Bon, ça va encore pour la voie ferrée du PDD, mais à d'autres endroits l'ombre des arbres empêche de distinguer la route … Bon, je chipotte ;-) Un grand merci ! -- Nicolas Dumoulin http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NicolasDumoulin ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Comment tagger une place composite ?
Il y avait eu une discussion à ce sujet : http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Les-places-place-de-l-eglise-etc-td5812285.html Le samedi 21 février 2015, 17:45:03 Félix Marty a écrit : Bonjour, [...] ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cantons départementaux... opendataday ce samedi et hackelections ce lundi
Encore plus radical...
https://gist.github.com/cquest/c008db0ea286ae289276
Un script shell quick and dirty qui transforme une liste de noms de
communes en liste de way.
Exemple:
sh jorf2josm.sh 40 Aureilhan, Bias, Castets, Léon, Lévignacq, Linxe,
Lit-et-Mixe, Mézos, Mimizan, Pontenx-les-Forges, Saint-Julien-en-Born,
Saint-Michel-Escalus, Saint-Paul-en-Born, Taller, Uza, Vielle-Saint-Girons
w121276493
w30928479
w30928565
w30928566
w30928567
w30928576
w30928660
w30928750
w30928751
w30928831
w30928866
w30928868
w30928886
w30928887
w30929833
w30957142
w30957664
w30957665
w30957675
w30957676
w30957684
w30957685
w33878351
w33878389
w4543403
w4543404
w4545294
w51098878
w94814698
w94814702
Je sens que je vais passer le turbo !
Le 21 février 2015 18:12, Nicolas Dumoulin
nicolas_openstreetmap@dumoulin63.net a écrit :
Petite amélioration :
1. remplacer la commande du 1 par :
for c in $(echo MachinVille, TrucVille, BrefMaListeDeVilles | sed -e
's/,/\n/g'); do echo
'relation[boundary=administrative][name='${c}'];(._;;);out meta;'; done
2. Commencer la requête overpass par (avec le bon code département) :
[out:xml];
area[boundary=administrative][ref:INSEE=41]-.a;
3. coller le résultat du 1
4. plus de 4, on passe au 5
5. exécuter la requête
Et on a dans le fichier résultant les relations avec leurs membres, c'est
plus pratique.
--
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http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NicolasDumoulin
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Serveur proxy de tuiles du cadastre avec mode joker
Personnellement j'ai désactivé le cache local de tuiles de JOSM (qui ne marche pas correctement) pour utiliser un cache externe : un proxy web transparent, qui lui au moins sait gérer son stockage et fonctionne comme un proxy standard. Il me sert aussi de cache pour les navigateurs (dont j'ai réduit leur taille de cache au minimum). Il est fort dommage que le cache de JOSM ne soit pas conforme (il ne se vide jamais, ne gère pas les dates de péremption, il déborde tout le temps de la taille maxi qu'on lui a configuré, quand il devient trop gros il devient même très lent car il est mal indexé) et pas partagé par les navigateurs utilisent aussi chacun leur propre stockage de cache. Les caches web devraient être un service de base des OS. Et les navigateurs (ou autres applications connectées qui font des requêtes web) devraient alors pouvoir se passer totalement de l'utilisation d'un cache à eux (même si ce cache est conforme). La seule chose qu'ils ont c'est la possibilité de les configurer pour utiliser un proxy, mais ils créent encore un cache local à eux même pour une connexion par proxy et même si le proxy est local. Des proxy web cache près à utilise existent (Squid par exemple sous Unix/Linux) et certains peuvent fonctionner comme cache transparent (dans un routeur par exemple, pour ne même pas avoir à configurer le proxy dans le navigateur, on en trouve aussi dans certains logiciels parefeux et antivirus) . Le 20 février 2015 21:58, Pierre-Yves Berrard pierre.yves.berr...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 20 février 2015 21:52, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 20/02/2015 21:01, Pierre-Yves Berrard a écrit : Le 20 février 2015 20:14, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com mailto:fred.rodr...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, On a mis en place un petit serveur qui permet d'avoir le cadastre par tuiles. Ça facilité l'utilisation (et la configuration dans Josm !) mais ça permet aussi d'avoir un mode joker qui détecte automatiquement la commune en cours de visualisation. Donc un seul TMS pour toutes les communes : [...] Super boulot ! (j'en avais marre de changer les paramètres dans les préférences de JOSM) En plus, fini le scintillement dû au rechargement à chaque niveau de zoom. Les tuiles seraient stockées quelque part en cache ? C'est Josm qui fait du cache. Certes mais je ne trouve pas le cache associé à ces tuiles à l'endroit où sont stockées les autres couches (bano etc.) sur mon disque dur... ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-us] For comment: import of amenity=bicycle_repair_stations
I'm ready to start this import: the input to date has been carefully considered and adjustments made. I'm intending to add notes for locations where the press releases are insufficiently specific to correctly position the node. Often, the press releases are specific enough, but not always. The notes interface seems like the most practical method of attracting a very local mapper to go and kick the node into the exact right spot. I'm aware of one private station, which I will map with access=private. I considered leaving it out, but suspect if I do it will cause trouble in the future. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org
Rob Nickerson writes: Congratulations to all those who were involved in getting directions/routing on openstreetmap.org :-) Worth the wait and will hopefully encourage mappers to contribute more turn restrictions and other routing related info. I've already used it to fix three routing problems (an overly long oneway, an access=no that no longer applied, and a bidirectional motorway). Except they're not active. They haven't fixed anything. The routing is still wrong. Look: http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_carroute=45.0034%2C-74.7403%3B45.0119%2C-74.7379#map=11/44.8909/-75.1077 We need two more things: 1) a list of common problems that cause misrouting, and 2) an estimate of how long before fixing a problem results in fixing the routing. I'm sure the latter is a caching / updating problem, but we need to let people know. Especially useful for the younger mappers who aren't confident that taking away that inappropriate one-way fixes the routing problem they saw. Those two pieces of information could probably be supplied by having a link on the routing panel that says Is this route wrong? That could point to a wiki page explaining how to help. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Serveur proxy de tuiles du cadastre avec mode joker
Le samedi 21 février 2015 18:41:53 Philippe Verdy a écrit : Il est fort dommage que le cache de JOSM ne soit pas conforme (il ne se vide jamais, ne gère pas les dates de péremption, il déborde tout le temps de la taille maxi qu'on lui a configuré, quand il devient trop gros il devient même très lent car il est mal indexé) et pas partagé par les navigateurs utilisent aussi chacun leur propre stockage de cache. Chez moi, le cache de JOSM fonctionne comme je l'attends. On peut forcer la réinitialisation du cache pour une couche. Quand au partage du cache avec les navigateurs … j'ai arrêté de lire, désolé. -- Nicolas Dumoulin http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NicolasDumoulin ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
Ik ben onlangs wat beginnen spelen met QGIS. Heb nu eens geprobeerd om een overzicht te krijgen in welke West-Vlaamse gemeente de meeste cafe-pub-restaurants gemapped zijn [1] heb je daar wat aan ? mvg m [1] http://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/Screenshots/Screenshots-1/i-8mPMJMq/0/O/Cafe-Pub-Restaurant%20in%20WVL.jpg 2015-02-21 10:35 GMT+01:00 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com: Dag iedereen, (in dutch only because this is for West-Vlaanderen specifically) Westtoer wil graag OSM gebruiken voor hun toeristische geprinte kaarten. Nu vragen zij zich een paar zaken af over kwaliteit: - Hoe is de kwaliteit in WVL? En hoe kunnen ze dat in de gaten houden? Een voorbeeld: Laatste 100 wijzigingen aan wegen/fietspaden. - Hoeveel mappers zijn er ongeveer in WVL? - Hoeveel updates zijn er per tijdseenheid/area. Is er iemand die hiervoor een inspannigske wil/kan leveren om bovenstaande statistiekskes te verzamelen? Ik denk aan Joost maar hopelijk zijn er nog kandidaten. En last, but not least: - Hoe kunnen zij de community 'een extra impuls' geven? In het kort zoeken ze voor de community-impuls naar iemand die de west-vlaamse mappers wat wil vertegenwoordigen. Ik zie hier zelf het potentieel voor gesponsorde mapping parties, een grotere zichtbaarheid voor OSM, etc. maar ze is ruimte voor creativiteit hier. Ze vragen zich gewoon af wat ze kunnen doen om de WVL-OSM community te ondersteunen, te helpen groeien, etc... Laat zeker weten als je dit ziet zitten. Laat je niet afschrikken voor de workload want dat zal nogal meevallen denk ik. Cheers, Ben ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] BANO : Reconnaissance des voies
Le 21 février 2015 03:23, « Ano59 » news_advertis...@yahoo.fr a écrit : La praticité des tags name:left et name:right est certes mauvaise. Du coup j'imagine que pour une telle rue, le mieux serait de mettre une double relation associatedStreet ? Mais une question subsiste : pour les ways à proprement parler, on met quoi comme nom ? Aucun tag de nom ? Un tag name simple (mais avec quel nom ?) ? Les fameux name:left et name:right ? J'aurais tendance à dire qu'on peut mettre l'un, ou l'autre ou les deux séparés par un / dans name=* (ce qui satisfera les rendus simples qui ne peuvent pas choisir entre name:left et name:right). Peu importe car on aura deux relations pour préciser les adresses. Dans la réalité de terrain on voit aussi les deux noms sur les panneaux indicateurs (qui souvent aussi affichent les noms historiques qu'on a tagués en old_name=*) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cantons départementaux... opendataday ce samedi et hackelections ce lundi
Heu, vous avez la correspondance code insee - canton ?
Car on peut faire toute la France des cantons de communes entières en
une fois avec comcommaker en ligne de commande.
Le 21/02/2015 18:21, Christian Quest a écrit :
Encore plus radical...
https://gist.github.com/cquest/c008db0ea286ae289276
Un script shell quick and dirty qui transforme une liste de noms de
communes en liste de way.
Exemple:
sh jorf2josm.sh 40 Aureilhan, Bias, Castets, Léon, Lévignacq, Linxe,
Lit-et-Mixe, Mézos, Mimizan, Pontenx-les-Forges, Saint-Julien-en-Born,
Saint-Michel-Escalus, Saint-Paul-en-Born, Taller, Uza, Vielle-Saint-Girons
w121276493
w30928479
w30928565
w30928566
w30928567
w30928576
w30928660
w30928750
w30928751
w30928831
w30928866
w30928868
w30928886
w30928887
w30929833
w30957142
w30957664
w30957665
w30957675
w30957676
w30957684
w30957685
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Je sens que je vais passer le turbo !
Le 21 février 2015 18:12, Nicolas Dumoulin
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mailto:nicolas_openstreetmap@dumoulin63.net a écrit :
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Petite amélioration :
1. remplacer la commande du 1 par :
for c in $(echo MachinVille, TrucVille, BrefMaListeDeVilles | sed
-e 's/,/\n/g'); do echo
'relation[boundary=administrative][name='${c}'];(._;;);out
meta;'; done
2. Commencer la requête overpass par (avec le bon code département) :
[out:xml];
area[boundary=administrative][ref:INSEE=41]-.a;
3. coller le résultat du 1
4. plus de 4, on passe au 5
5. exécuter la requête
Et on a dans le fichier résultant les relations avec leurs membres,
c'est plus pratique.
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[Talk-cz] WeeklyOSM 237 CZ
Ahoj, je dostupne vydani 237 tydeniku weeklyOSM: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/2388 Pekne pocteni... ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
[talk-au] Early OpenStreetMap references/events in Australia
The LWG is trying to document, preferably, early events with OpenStreetMap participation and press/media mentions or pieces on OSM in Australia. Typical stuff that we are looking for are: coverage of mapping parties, conferences and exhibitions that have had community participation, talks and so on. As said, preferably early material, but in the end everything will be of interest. I've already looked through the wiki but haven't found a lot, if you have pointers to any of the above, please respond to this mail or write directly to le...@osmfoundation.org Thank you Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] www.openstreetmap.org/#map
Michael osm...@suesz.de Wrote in message: Wer wäre da Ansprechpartner bzw könnte helfen? Sowas meldest du am besten hier auf englisch: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues -- Holger Android NewsGroup Reader http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-br] Aplicativos navegação
Eu uso para navegação, o Garmin com os mapas da Cocardl (que tem compilações diárias ). Pode instalar o Viago no smartphone e modificar para rodar offline com os mapas na memória. Outro muito bom e roda em Qq sistema é o 7ways usando as personalizações do fidelis.assis, no fórum da GpsPoint. Ele compila mapas mensalmente. O 7ways tb grava rotas e pois em gpx, alertas de radares Maparadar... Pode ser usado no computador, simular rotas previamente ou mesmo conectar com o gps do smartphone pelo bluetooth. Já acho o 7ways superior ao garmin. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-de] opening_hours
Hallo, hat jemand einen Tipp für Gaststätten, welche erst Mitten im Monat ihr Geschäft öffnen? Monatsweise geht zu spezifizieren: Mar-Nov: Mo-Su 10:00-22:00 aber wie sieht es aus, wenn erst ab 15.März geöffnet wird? leider scheint auch http://www.osm24.eu/ die saisonalen Öffnunszeiten (noch) nicht zu berücksichtigen. Heinz ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-br] Incluindo Hot Spots Wi-fi
Srs, Estou incluindo o conjunto de hotspots. Fica pendente a informação referente ao tempo máximo de utilização, se houver tag para identificar essa informação. O processo está documentado em http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Recife/ConectaRecife Como comentado, os pontos não são renderizados. Obrigado a todos pelas dicas Att, Marcelo Pereira Em 20 de fevereiro de 2015 10:21, Marcelo Pereira pereirahol...@gmail.com escreveu: Eu tb não entendi o que mudaria se os pontos estivessem ou não em lugares públicos, mas pelo que li e vi de onde foram instalados os hotspots, serão em praças e afins, lugares de concentração pública. Em 19 de fevereiro de 2015 21:12, Alexandre Magno Brito de Medeiros alexandre@gmail.com escreveu: Por que? Em 19 de fevereiro de 2015 20:53, Nelson A. de Oliveira nao...@gmail.com escreveu: A minha dúvida é se os pontos estão em algum tipo de local público (praça, ginásio de esporte, etc) ou se ficam instalados no meio da cidade, sem lugar específico. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- São Pedro recebe Seu Lunga no céu perguntando: Morreu, Seu Lunga? Não, vim passar o Natal! -- São Pedro recebe Seu Lunga no céu perguntando: Morreu, Seu Lunga? Não, vim passar o Natal! ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Aplicativo recomendado
2015-02-20 20:10 GMT-02:00 Márcio Aguiar Ribeiro aguiar.mar...@gmail.com: Dei as boas vindas à um usuário da minha região e ele só reclamou que as ruas que ele estava colocando não estava atualizando no aplicativo. Ele falou que usa um tal de navigator. Qual a recomendação pra ele? Navigator é um aplicativo para Android, tem cálculo de rota bem eficiente e rápido e visualização 3D. Usa dois tipos de mapas: OSM (gratuito) e Tomtom (pago). O Navigator só atualiza o mapa OSM de vez em quando, não sei ao certo mas algo tipo de 2 em 2 meses (ou mais). Ou seja, se você modificar uma rua ela vai levar bastante tempo para aparecer no mapa e isto somente se baixar um mapa novo. Osmand atualiza os mapas mensalmente, mas tem uma opção de usar mapas on-line. Já o cálculo de rota do osmand é demorado e deficiente. abraço Gerald ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-GB] New OS Open Data products arriving end of March
Just hearing about the new OSGB OpenData products (OS Open Map?) at OpenDataCamp. These will appear around end of March: - Additional level of vector detail, including less generalised buildings and public buildings (hospitals, schools) identified. - A single merged gazetteer with more names (replacing inter alia OS Locator) - Probably others. Ping me or nick_w if you want us to find out more. Regards, Jerry ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-de] heise berichtet ueber osm.org-Routing integration
On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:31:55AM +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! Am 19. Februar 2015 um 10:46 schrieb Eifelhunde eifelhu...@gmx.de: Sehe ich weniger problematisch, oder werden kurvenreiche Strecken auch berücksichtigt? Häufig sind doch diese nicht beschränkt, erlauben aber wegen der vielen Kurven nur geringe Geschwindigkeiten ??? es gilt in jedem Land ein generelles Maxspeed (in D außer Autobahnen) Ich versteh die Anmerkung nicht, es besteht doch nicht die Pflicht so schnell zu fahren - selbst wenn Schilder die Geschwindigkeit weiter beschränken ist die Geschwindigkeit keine Pflicht Kein professioneller Router geht davon aus, dass man die maximal erlaubte Geschwindigkeit auch tatsächlich fahren kann. Je nach Verlauf der Straße werden deutlich niedrigere Geschwindigkeiten angenommen. Auf einer völlig geraden Autobahn im ebenen Gebiet nimmt ein guter Router eine Geschwindigkeit nahe der erlaubten an, idR ca. 5%-10% darunter. Auf einer Passstraße, wo sich eine Serpentine an die nächste reiht, interessiert einen professionellen Router die maximal erlaubte Geschwindigkeit nur noch am Rande und es werden so Geschwindigkeiten z.B. im Bereich von 20-50km/h unterstellt, selbst wenn dort 100km/h erlaubt ist. Diese Geschwindigkeiten werden dann für die Routenfindung verwendet. egal ob das anhand der Geometrie oder tags passiert, solche Heuristiken funktionieren bestenfalls sehr grob. Die Faktoren die man mappen müßte sind einfach zu viel und wären im Endeffekt sowieso subjektiv: Sichbeinträchtigugn in den Kurven, Straßenrandbeschaffenheit, herumschleichende Touristenautos, Fußgänger/Radfahrer auf der Straße, parkende Autos am Straßenrand, rush hour u.v.A. Enwteder irgendeine der Average speed per way Datenbanken wird dauerhaft wiederbelebt oder etwas wie http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Practical_maxspeed Richard ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-br] Aplicativo recomendado
Navigator é um aplicativo para Android, tem cálculo de rota bem eficiente e rápido e visualização 3D. Usa dois tipos de mapas: OSM (gratuito) e Tomtom (pago). Esqueci de escrever, Navigator=MapFactor, uma vez instalado só aparece com o nome Navigator. Ainda não consegui estabelecer se o Navigator considera ruas de terra ou não (aparentemente evita). Já o osmand agora permite escolher se deseja evitar ruas de terra e permite visualizá-las também. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Cantons départementaux... opendataday ce samedi et hackelections ce lundi
Le samedi 21 février 2015 12:36:33 Nicolas Dumoulin a écrit :
Et on n'aurait pas un petit script sous le coude pour récupérer les ID des
relations des communes à partir d'une liste ?
Parceque ça va pas vite avec le formulaire de recherche :-/
Bon, j'ai trouvé une méthode satisfaisante pour moi.
1. convertir la liste de commune (séparées par des virgules) en bouts de
requêtes overpass
:
for c in $(echo MachinVille, TrucVille, BrefMaListeDeVilles | sed -e
's/,/\n/g'); do echo
'relation[boundary=administrative][name='${c}'];out meta;'; done
2. Dans overpass-turbo http://overpass-turbo.eu/[1]
, créer une requête avec au début (remplacer le nom du département):
[out:xml];
area
[boundary=administrative]
[name=Le Nom du Département];
out meta;
3. Coller à la suite le résultat du 1
4. Coller à la la suite la fin de la requête :
out meta;
5. Cliquer sur Exécuter
6. Attendre et ignorer l'avertissement Données incomplètes et demander
montrer les
données (pas de carte)
7. Cliquer sur Exporter et données brutes pour télécharger les données sur
le disque
dans un fichier nommé export.osm
8. Il ne reste plus qu'à ouvrir dans JOSM. Il n'y a que les relations, mais
vous pouvez toutes
les sélectionner et télécharger les membres
On peut certainement faire encore pratique et plus rapide, mais moi ça me va
déjà bien.
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Re: [Talk-de] www.openstreetmap.org/#map
Ich glaube auch osm-dev ist die bessere Mailingliste für solche Frage. Was du vielleicht auch mal ausprobieren konntest ist Mapillary. Ganz wenig Aufwand. und der Mapper bekommen ein sehr 'reiches' erfahren, als ob man selber da gewesen sei. Oft stehen auch noch andere interessante Sachen auf solche fotos, die dann auch eingetragen werden können. Was noch nützlicher sein konnte ist das Handy als 'dashcam' zu benutzen. Dann konnen sogar alle Details von den ganzen Weg eingetragen werden. Aber du musst natürlich selber entscheiden wie weit du damit gehen willst. Grüsse, Jo 2015-02-21 10:21 GMT+01:00 Michael osm...@suesz.de: Hallo liebe Freunde, ich hatte schon vor paar Tagen nach apps für Android gefragt und auch so manches getestet. Ich bin beruflich viel in der Gegend unterwegs und komme in Gassen und Bauerhöfe, wo sich sonst keiner hin verirrt. Da möchte ich dann schnell noch eine Hausnummer und eventuell auch den fehlenden Strassennamen in OSM eintragen. Da ich ja die Kundenadressen habe ist mir Strassenname und HNummer bekannt. Zer Zeitaufwand sollte so bei ca 1min liegen. Eine Nachbearbeitung später am Computer soll möglichst entfallen. Als Zielführend habe ich jetzt http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map und einen Fehler melden genutzt und Strassenname und Nummer gesetzt. Als ich abends zu Hause war, war die Strasse bereits getaggt und das Haus mit Nummer gab es schon. Super genial, so eine Community. Jetzt meine Frage: Wer ist Ansprechpartner für die Programmierung vom Bugreport auf www.openstreetmap.org/#map? Die Bedienung von einen Fehler melden auf dem Smartphone ist möglich, da lässt sich aber noch einiges optimieren. Diese Meldefunktion macht ja am meisten auf dem Smartphone Sinn, weil da bin ich ja vor Ort und kann gleich die korrekten Daten melden. Wer wäre da Ansprechpartner bzw könnte helfen? Liebe Grüße Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
En met de optie om ook per plaats te kunnen kijken hoe de verdeling is, is een wat gerichter resultaat mogelijk. Hier heb ik Middelkerke genomen. De wijze waarop je dat moet opgeven (in de User Pois) is (nog) niet heel erg gebuikersvriendelijk, maar het werkt wel. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17226226/OSM/middelkerkepois.png Marc. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Do we have a graph of how many notes are open? It wouldn't be surprising to see a downward trend in the last few weeks from this change. http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops
Hi Paul, I see what you mean now. I dropped the forward/backward roles on the ways a few years ago. Recently I thought that they should be a help for the sorting algorithm, but your example proves they aren't. I've been developing a script, which tries to use other good relations to fix the one it's currently run on. For that script to be able to work, you'd need the stops in the correct order though. It works like this: For a sequence of stops it tries to find other relations which have the same sequence. The other relation with the longest sequence in common 'wins'. Then it finds the ways adjacent to the stops on each end of the sequence, then uses the sequence of ways that connects the stops. We can work that way, because we have received the stops and the timetables from the operators, but it's the opposite of what you start with, when you have to get on the bus to create a GPX to get an idea about one the variation routes of a line. (After that you'd use the unstable plugin to add the stops that are already mapped). The script works quite well, as long as you have some 'golden' routes it can grab way sequences from. Polyglot 2015-02-21 21:40 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, It helps, when you select a subset of ways and only let JOSM sort those automatically. True, but if you've had to edit a section of a dogleg to add another, sub dogleg, this breaks, too. The ground truth is breaking the tool. Can you select one of the relations, then do Ctrl-Shft-h, then copy that url. No problem, one such example is the 101 Suburban Acres southbound via Denver 49th and Westview https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4614100/history. Towards where it heads off MLK to Osage Casino along East 63rd North Street, it has a dogleg with two branching doglegs, two of those doglegs also have a loop. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
Op 21 feb. 2015, om 20:18 heeft Marc Zoutendijk marczoutend...@mac.com het volgende geschreven: OpenPoiMap heeft nu een eigen domeinnaam: http://openpimap.org Dat moet zijn: http://openpoimap.org ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops
Hi Paul, It helps, when you select a subset of ways and only let JOSM sort those automatically. Can you select one of the relations, then do Ctrl-Shft-h, then copy that url. Jo 2015-02-21 21:12 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: Is there an easy way to map these? In JOSM, I run into problems with trying to sort when I edit that pretty much complicates the situation to the point where I end up having to start over if I get the order wrong, and the public transport plugin isn't the most stable thing in the world. Starting to bang my head into the wall with this. Several of many examples I'm running into can be found (as I've mapped them so far) with [route=bus][ref=101] in bounding box -96.0084915,36.1395383,-95.9528732,36.2658677 ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] BANO : Reconnaissance des voies
Le 21/02/2015 18:11, Philippe Verdy a écrit : Le 21 février 2015 03:23, « Ano59 » news_advertis...@yahoo.fr mailto:news_advertis...@yahoo.fr a écrit : La praticité des tags name:left et name:right est certes mauvaise. Du coup j'imagine que pour une telle rue, le mieux serait de mettre une double relation associatedStreet ? Mais une question subsiste : pour les ways à proprement parler, on met quoi comme nom ? Aucun tag de nom ? Un tag name simple (mais avec quel nom ?) ? Les fameux name:left et name:right ? J'aurais tendance à dire qu'on peut mettre l'un, ou l'autre ou les deux séparés par un / dans name=* (ce qui satisfera les rendus simples qui ne peuvent pas choisir entre name:left et name:right). Peu importe car on aura deux relations pour préciser les adresses. Dans la réalité de terrain on voit aussi les deux noms sur les panneaux indicateurs (qui souvent aussi affichent les noms historiques qu'on a tagués en old_name=*) Pourquoi ne pas plutôt mettre le tag name=NomX;NomY dans ce cas, le point-virgule était un vrai séparateur dans OSM ? Cordialement, « Ano59 ». ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
Op 21 feb. 2015, om 17:53 heeft Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Ik ben onlangs wat beginnen spelen met QGIS. Heb nu eens geprobeerd om een overzicht te krijgen in welke West-Vlaamse gemeente de meeste cafe-pub-restaurants gemapped zijn [1] Maar daarbij kan OpenPoiMap (voorheen Taglocator) dus ook een inzicht geven: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17226226/OSM/vlaanderenpois.png OpenPoiMap heeft nu een eigen domeinnaam: http://openpimap.org Marc. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
En hier nog een andere omgeving: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17226226/OSM/vlaanderen2.png Ik kan met OpenPoiMap niet in een keer heel Vlaanderen laten zien omdat de overpass query een beperking heeft in het totaal aantal objecten dat kan worden bevraagd. Marc. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping in West-Vlaanderen
Marc, ik had inderdaad ook even gedacht om jouw tool te gebruiken, maar dan heb je niet echt getallen en moet je verder gaan op het aantal icoontjes dat je ziet. mvg m 2015-02-21 20:26 GMT+01:00 Marc Zoutendijk marczoutend...@mac.com: En hier nog een andere omgeving: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17226226/OSM/vlaanderen2.png Ik kan met OpenPoiMap niet in een keer heel Vlaanderen laten zien omdat de overpass query een beperking heeft in het totaal aantal objecten dat kan worden bevraagd. Marc. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops
Is there an easy way to map these? In JOSM, I run into problems with trying to sort when I edit that pretty much complicates the situation to the point where I end up having to start over if I get the order wrong, and the public transport plugin isn't the most stable thing in the world. Starting to bang my head into the wall with this. Several of many examples I'm running into can be found (as I've mapped them so far) with [route=bus][ref=101] in bounding box -96.0084915,36.1395383,-95.9528732,36.2658677 ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [OSM-talk] Quality of OSM Notes
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:33 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Many open notes were not actionable: 1) Pure junk (empty, scribbles) This is probably a UI situation. I know the old Skobbler app was *notorious* for this, and probably a huge reason behind the massive flop that was Mapdust http://www.mapdust.com/. Apologies to Telenav for panning their first attempt harshly, even though I was probably pretty close to the most prolific user of Mapdust. I'd be curious to know if anybody watches it now. 2) Unsolvable wishes 3) Incomplete information (with no way to contact the poster). These make me wish we had a good way to quickly and easily invite a user to sign in via OpenID and Google+ authentication right on the spot so we can try to get back to the original reporter and let 'em know that we hear them, but we don't have enough to work with or what they're asking might not be possible the way they asked it. Or it's plain an application issue (again, one of the huge shortfalls of Mapdust, which was compounded by the fact that since basically only one tool ever implemented it on the reporter end, it would have been trivial to ensure a mapper could reach the reporter.) Along both these lines, it'd be epic if programs implementing OSM also implemented notes, and required a sign-in to file a note so there's some hope that we can have a two way dialogue. Communication with the people in the field who actually use our stuff and aren't nerds is key. 4) Requests to add a particular business, which did not interest me. That doesn't make it invalid if it's actually in the right spot. 5) Private notes made by note author for themselves. This isn't unsolvable and shouldn't be closed if it's not solved; you can reach the original mapper for an explanation. If it went into notes, odds are that the person who did it is under the belief that anyone familiar with the area should be able to work it out by context. Yes, I'm notorious for this. However, I do try to document my idiomatic field note taking in the wiki since my notes tend to be brief (I'm in the field, I don't have time for a novel). 6) Lazy Requests to do cleanup that the note writer did not want to do themselves. I'm not sure it's lazy so much as might not be easily resolved without a team effort or someone actually local (sorry, I'm notorious for this in areas I come across that if I can't see it on the available aerials, it might as well be on another planet). 8) Stuff that had already been done. Notes, particularly older ones, slipped through the cracks due to the way the Notes plugin worked. Now that you can pull an essentially arbitrarily huge and old number of notes, I'm finding some antiques of my own. This situation should improve now that you can pull out the antiques with the new Notes system in JOSM. Do we have a graph of how many notes are open? It wouldn't be surprising to see a downward trend in the last few weeks from this change. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, It helps, when you select a subset of ways and only let JOSM sort those automatically. True, but if you've had to edit a section of a dogleg to add another, sub dogleg, this breaks, too. The ground truth is breaking the tool. Can you select one of the relations, then do Ctrl-Shft-h, then copy that url. No problem, one such example is the 101 Suburban Acres southbound via Denver 49th and Westview https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4614100/history. Towards where it heads off MLK to Osage Casino along East 63rd North Street, it has a dogleg with two branching doglegs, two of those doglegs also have a loop. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
