Re: [Talk-us] US local chapter board election results
Well done all, good luck and looking forward to seeing what you accomplish! :-) On 10/12/2011 11:32 AM, Michal Migurski wrote: Hey, cool! Thanks everyone. I'm excited to get started with Martijn, Randy, Jim, and Richard. According to the wiki page there is a monthly chapter meeting tomorrow, but the most recent one was six months ago. I'll dial the number tomorrow and see what happens. =) -mike. On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Dear All, The results of the US local chapter board election have been received and found to be valid. Fourteen valid ballots were received from 50% of the eligible members. I would like to thank the outgoing members of the board for their service to the community. I would also like to thank all of the candidates for offering to serve for the next year. Richard Welty, was re-elected. Martijn, Randy, Jim and Mike were each elected. You can find the detailed results on the wiki, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections Best regards, Richard Weait, independent scrutineer, on behalf of, Jonathan Bennett, independent scrutineer, Ian Dees, member of outgoing board. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US local chapter board election results
I'd urge you guys to think about /community/ as well as /technology/. Import some Weait's or something. Steve On 10/12/2011 12:03 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: Hand off agenda is a great idea. My computing habits mean that IRC is probably unrealistic for me. As far as goals for this year, I know that Ian has been building a server intended for hosting tile renders. I'd like to see that continue with a US-specific tile layer ready for public consumption six months from now. Another idea I'd love discuss are extracts designed to assess the quality of OSM data on a county by county basis. I think this can be done in an automated fashion borrowing some of the ideas introduced by Geofabrik's Inspector, ultimately resulting in a regularly-produced summary of data quality for each of the 3000+ counties in the US. Anyway, 'til tomorrow. -mike. On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Jim McAndrew wrote: I agree about the idea of the handoff agenda, but with or without, I will also be in the meeting tomorrow. We should at least go in with some goals on what we plan to accomplish this year, and discuss if those goals are practical and how we can work together to help each other with our goals, and how our goals fit with the goals of the greater OSM US. I'm going to try to be on the IRC channel more often as well. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Richard Weaitrich...@weait.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Michal Migurskim...@stamen.com wrote: Hey, cool! Thanks everyone. I'm excited to get started with Martijn, Randy, Jim, and Richard. According to the wiki page there is a monthly chapter meeting tomorrow, but the most recent one was six months ago. I'll dial the number tomorrow and see what happens. =) Perhaps the outgoing board can help you to put together an agenda, here on the list? I'm sure they'll have some thoughts on a smooth transition as well. Also #osm-us is a low traffic irc channel that might work for you. #osm-us is on irc.oftc.net, and available from the browser at http://irc.openstreetmap.org/ michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OSM US Chapter elections and
On 9/15/2011 11:56 AM, Jim McAndrew wrote: There has been some informal talk about when the elections are coming up. I think with SOTM this year, things have been more focused on that than the elections. SOTM was largely organised by OSMF and the working group with some funds channeled through the US. With the greatest respect to those involved, I think it's better to just put the issue on the table that HOT took everyones time and not a lot of progress has been made with OSMFUS. That was great for HOT, as you can see, but OSMFUS needs people on the next board with the time to make the progress it needs, if for no other reason than showing those upstairs in Canada what we can do ;-) Steve I'm not a member of the board, although I am running this time around, but this is my understanding of the questions: * Where are the financial reports? o The secretary most likely has these, if they are published, I'm not sure how current they are * What assets does the Chapter have? e.g cash, investments, servers and other hardware o The cash number would probably be in the financial report, there are servers and some schwag * Who administers the server resources? (Ian and ?) o I believe that Ian is doing at least 90% of this * Will administration of the servers change after the election? o I think Ian is pretty set on doing this, but if he isn't on the new board, we may want to have him bring someone else up to speed * What are Chapter servers being utilized for now? o This is a very good question, I think it's mostly imports and bots, but I really don't know * What are the ongoing operations and maintenance costs for the servers? o These are pretty minimal right now, this should also be answered in the financial report * What projects are going on now or will be started after the election, o There are a number of subgroups that are all linked from the OSM US Chapter page on the wiki + http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States * and what are the financial commitments? o I'm not sure on this, it would be on the financial reports as well * How many members are there? o I believe it to be 25ish * Has the Technical, Education Student Outreach or US Tagging working groups ever met? o The groups as a whole haven't, but each board member is responsible for one or more groups, and the board members voice the group concerns I hope my view of these situations at least gets some people talking on this subject. I don't know if my answers are 100% right, but it should be enough to get the ball rolling on these issues. -- Jim McAndrew @JimmyRocks On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com mailto:rich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com mailto:j...@joshdoe.com wrote: I'm having trouble finding any information about the elections for the OSM US chapter, The 2010 election was held in August, by email. So it's probably a bit late this year. Minutes from meetings since March, if any, are missing from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Call_Minutes ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Mapping Party SLC
Would love to come if I can find a cheap flight, let us know when you pick a date. On 8/27/2011 10:28 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi all, I want to organize a mapping party here in Salt Lake City. Are there any Salt Lake locals on this list? The wiki page[1] is sparse on social happenings here so there may not have been any before. Does anyone have connections with local organizations / government / University that could be helpful? Does OSM US have any resources to support mapping parties? I have a few GPSes and a dozen or so hi-viz OSM surveyors vests. The latter I would be happy to lend out by the way. Right now they are still on the Atlantic somewhere with all my other stuff, in transit from Amsterdam. Best Martijn [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Appearing Sign
Dear all A OSM sign has mysteriously appeared at a US battleship museum in Albany, NY without a note. Does anyone have a clue why? If not, is anyone near Albany and can go pick it up for reuse? Steve On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Rosehn Gipe wrote: Nothing else. No box. No note. Just the sign. The sign has the magnifying glass over map image and: Open Street Map www.openstreetmap.org The Free Wiki World Map On 6/22/2011 11:33 AM, SteveC wrote: Okay. We are a 400,000 strong volunteer community, do you have any other clues to go on? What does the sign say? Who was it from? Steve stevecoast.com On Jun 22, 2011, at 8:30, Rosehn Gipeg...@ussslater.org wrote: The sign is for Open Street Maps. On 6/22/2011 11:26 AM, SteveC wrote: I don't know why you're asking me? Steve stevecoast.com On Jun 22, 2011, at 8:21, Rosehn Gipeg...@ussslater.org wrote: Good Morning-- A large popupstand sign was left on our doorstep yesterday. No one here has any idea as to why. We're assuming it was delivered to the wrong location. Someone might be waiting for it. Any ideas? Thanks! --Rosehn Gipe USS SLATER Albany, New York Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Watch out if mapping in Florida, Georgia...
GPS might not work; http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/20/unavailabe_gps_warning/ Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: SF Gov GIS data clickthrough license - compatible with OpenStreetMap?
Steve Begin forwarded message: From: Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com Date: December 14, 2010 11:14:19 PM PST To: SteveC st...@asklater.com Subject: Re: SF Gov GIS data clickthrough license - compatible with OpenStreetMap? I told him I'd pass the word along, there's nothing in there that seems like a risk to me - go for it! -mike. On Dec 14, 2010, at 6:24 PM, SteveC wrote: Can this go to the list etc? Steve On Dec 14, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: FYI. Begin forwarded message: From: Thomas Long thomas.l...@sfgov.org Date: December 14, 2010 2:27:07 PM PST To: Nath, Jay jay.n...@sfgov.org Cc: Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com Subject: RE: SF Gov GIS data clickthrough license - compatible with OpenStreetMap? Jay and Michal, Generally, our terms and conditions are not intended to place restrictions on the use of the data, but rather to gain the user's agreement that there are no warranties etc regarding the data, that the City's liability is limited and the user indemnifies us for any claims arising from the user's use of the data. The exception would be if our website expressly states that there are other conditions/restrictions on the use of the data in question (such as when we obtain data from a 3d party that restricts our use of the data.) I have not read the specific CC license Michal refers to, but I don't think there would be a conflict unless the CC license is contrary to the City's disclaimer/limitation of liability/indemnity language. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have other questions. Tom Tom Long Deputy City Attorney Office of City Attorney Dennis J. Herrera City Hall, Room 234 San Francisco, CA 94102 Tel: (415) 554-6548 Fax: (415) 554-4763 thomas.l...@sfgov.org The information in this email is confidential and protected by the attorney/client and/or work product privileges. If you received this email inadvertently, please permanently delete it. From:Nath, Jay jay.n...@sfgov.org To:Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com, Long, Thomas thomas.l...@sfgov.org Date:12/13/2010 10:11 AM Subject:RE: SF Gov GIS data clickthrough license - compatible with OpenStreetMap? Hi Mike, I'm copying in Thomas Long. We did speak with a member of OSM a few months ago on a similar topic. -Original Message- From: Michal Migurski [mailto:m...@stamen.com] Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 9:59 AM To: Nath, Jay Subject: SF Gov GIS data clickthrough license - compatible with OpenStreetMap? Hi Jay, Happy Monday! A member of the OpenStreetMap community is interested in importing some of the data from DataSF into OSM, and he's looking at this clickthrough license: http://gispub02.sfgov.org/website/sfshare/index2.asp They're wondering if the license is compatible with the CC-BY-SA ODBL licenses that the project uses? That is to say, can the data be freely imported into a database under those terms, the same way that the project has already imported data from the U.S. Census TIGER road network, Massachusetts GIS, Arkansas, and other government entities over the past few years? Sorry if this question is completely outside of your area of expertise, figured you might know who to ask. -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 [attachment winmail.dat deleted by Thomas Long/CTYATT] michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Address Node Import for San Francisco
Just wanna say that addressing in SF would be awesome :-) Steve stevecoast.com On Dec 10, 2010, at 1:29 AM, Katie Filbert filbe...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Gregory Arenius greg...@arenius.com wrote: I've been working on an import of San Francisco address node data. I have several thoughts and questions and would appreciate any feedback. The Wiki page doesn't mention the original dataset url. I have a few concerns: 1) Without seeing the dataset url, it's hard to know anything about the dataset (its age, accuracy, etc.) This is a real problem with imports- knowing the original quality of the dataset before it's imported. The project has had to remove or correct so many bad datasets, it's incredibly annoying. About the data. Its in a shapefile format containing about 230,000 individual nodes. The data is really high quality and all of the addresses I have checked are correct. It has pretty complete coverage of the entire city. MHO is that individual node addresses are pretty awful. If you can import the building outlines, and then attach the addresses to them, great (and you'll need to consider what's to be done with any existing data), but otherwise, IMHO, this dataset just appears as noise. Also, there are a large number of places where there are multiple nodes in one location if there is more than one address at that location. One example would be a house broken into five apartments. Sometimes they keep one address and use apartment numbers and sometimes each apartment gets its own house number. In the latter cases there will be five nodes with different addr:housenumber fields but identical addr:street and lat/long coordinates. Should I keep the individual nodes or should I combine them? Honestly, I think this is a very cart-before-horse. Please consider making a test of your dataset somewhere people can check out, and then solicit feedback on the process. I haven't yet looked into how I plan to do the actual uploading but I'll take care to make sure its easily reversible if anything goes wrong and doesn't hammer any servers. There are people who've spent years with the project and not gotten imports right, I think this is a less trivial problem than you might expect. I've also made a wiki page for the import. Feedback welcome here or on the wiki page. This really belongs on the imports list as well, but my feedback would be: 1) Where's the shapefile? (if for nothing else, than the licnese, but also for feedback) 2) Can you attach the addresses to real objects (rather than standalone nodes)? 3) What metadata will you keep from the other dataset? 4) How will you handle internally conflicting data? 5) How will you handle conflicts with existing OSM data? - Serge A few comments... 1) San Francisco explicitly says they do not have building outline data. :( So, I suppose we get to add buildings ourselves. I do see that SF does have parcels. For DC, we are attaching addresses to buildings when there is a one-to-one relation between them. When there are multiple address nodes for a single building, then we keep them as nodes. In vast majority of cases, we do not have apartment numbers but in some cases we have things like 1120a, 1120b, 1120c that can be imported. Obviously, without a buildings dataset, our approach won't quite apply for SF. 2) I don't consider the addresses as noise. The data is very helpful for geocoding. If the renderer does a sloppy job making noise out of addresses, the renderings should be improved. 3) Having looked at the data catalogue page, I do have concerns about the terms of use and think it's best to get SF to explicitly agree to allow OSM to use the data. http://gispub02.sfgov.org/website/sfshare/index2.asp 4) If you can get explicit permission, then I suggest breaking up the address nodes into smaller chunks (e.g. by census block group), convert them to osm format with Ian's shp-to-osm tool, and check them for quality and against existing OSM data (e.g. existing pois w/ addresses) in JOSM before importing. QGIS and/or PostGIS can be useful for chopping up the data into geographic chunks. This approach gives opportunity to apply due diligence, to check things, and keep chunks small enough that it's reasonably possible to deal with any mistakes or glitches. -Katie ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Katie Filbert filbe...@gmail.com @filbertkm ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list
Re: [Talk-us] Request for community mediation
+1 On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Ian Dees wrote: I agree with Richard but I don't want to feed the trolls by responding (which is the policy of several other mailing list readers I know). On Oct 21, 2010 4:08 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion seems to have ended. Is it time to play spot the consensus yet? I've spotted the consensus. Stop your bickering. Either come to an agreement about this tagging, or ignore each other, but absolutely stop picking on each other. You and Frederick seem to be the only ones with that view who contributed to this thread. Do you have your mail client set to ignore the others? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Detroit
Is anyone on this list in the Detroit metro area? I was hoping to speak at the LUG there, but can't, and it'd be nice if someone else could do a little OSM demo. Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Detroit
nov 13 On Oct 12, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Richard Weait wrote: On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:28 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Is anyone on this list in the Detroit metro area? I was hoping to speak at the LUG there, but can't, and it'd be nice if someone else could do a little OSM demo. When? Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] SOTM bid- Denver
On Oct 12, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Katie Filbert wrote: I think the bid is very promising and would be happy to come to Denver Being strawman here, putting some issues and questions out... Take a look at Haifa's Wikimania bid page, and perhaps fill in some more details like what they provided http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2011/Bids/Haifa Especially, visas are going to be a concern. What is the team going to do to help facilitate getting visas and dealing with inevitable troubles Meh - it's just as big a problem in Europe. A bunch of people were denied. Also more specifics about venue... sounds like it's up in the air? Which is the most likely or best option of those listed? What buildings would we be in?what kind of space is there for plenary sessions? Social space? The dates for the conference are September--- during the fall semester. Will this be a problem? Is the venue available for the dates? Sponsorships... Do we have any sponsors committed yet? Maybe ad contigency of a winning bid? I think you should help answer these questions. Travel - SOTM has previously been held in Europe, which make it easier for OSM volunteers in Europe (much larger community) to attend. Could we this year raise some sponsorship money to fund scholarships to bring OSM volunteers to SOTM who otherwise cannot afford to attend. Previous scholarships were only for people from developing countries, which is good but let's do more. Wikimedia funds 40-50 volunteers to attend Wikimania, plus people funded by wikimedia chapters, and that makes the conference more inclusive Also take a look at last years SOTM bids for Barcelona that proposed doing FOSS4G and SOTM back to back. What were the reasons why the committee decided against it? For Denver, make sure to address any concerns that there might be about this Katie Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Coast, Hurricane hurricane.co...@mapquest.com wrote: Hey North American OSMers, The Bids for State of the Map must be final by October 15th. Much work has been done on the Denver Bid page, but it still can use some spit and polish :) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2011/Bid/Denver Go ahead and give it a 5 minute look over and add your special touch More pictures (venues)? More names on the ‘who’s involved’. Remember you don’t have to be in Denver to help out! Let’s have a winning bid and host the 5th Annual SOTM in our ‘home’. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] OSM User Testing
On Sep 29, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 15:34, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Those people fill out a form and are invited later to use some simple online screen capturing software while asked to do some simple tasks and this is where you come in. What screen capturing software package is it? I believe it is http://www.usertesting.com/ Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] OSM User Testing
On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 16:20, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Sep 29, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 15:34, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Those people fill out a form and are invited later to use some simple online screen capturing software while asked to do some simple tasks and this is where you come in. What screen capturing software package is it? I believe it is http://www.usertesting.com/ So, a Windows only client: http://www.usertesting.com/popups/ApplicantFAQs.aspx Feel free to suggest something 'better' then. Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] OSM User Testing
I've written previously about OSM usability studies, and now it's happening. Nate Bolt from the fantabulous Bolt|Peters is going to help OSM run usability tests and we need your help. The timeline looks something like this: This week or next we're going to switch on some javascript on the OSM signup page that invites a percentage of signups to help OSM run a user survey. Those people fill out a form and are invited later to use some simple online screen capturing software while asked to do some simple tasks and this is where you come in. We need to think of some simple tasks for new users to complete, and we'll put them together over on this wiki page. Add a street? Find a mailing list? Add a point of interest? What should they do? That's up to you. Also, if you're running a mapping party we can give you a super secret link where you can send new users to do the same tasks with screen recording. You mustn't help them on the first go, as that's exactly what we're trying to find out - what goes wrong. Then on December 8th (tentative) at the Bolt|Peters office in San Francisco, OSMers together with the UX wizards will analyze the videos and make some joint suggestions on how to push things forward. Anyone in SF, or can be in SF around then, please drop me a mail.___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] MapQuest Announcements
it's a wiki... :-) On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 9/25/10 8:55 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: jeremy jozwik writes: will there be a US version? http://new.mapquest.com/ still pulls from non-OSM maps The quality is not there yet. Look, for example, at Wayne County, New York. Or Yates County. Or Livingston County. They are unusably bad (except for the railroads, hehe). or almost anywhere in West Virginia... richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Invitation to Southern California Linux Expo 9x
thanks, passing on to the US list... On Sep 8, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Gareth J. Greenaway wrote: Greetings Steve, I hope this email finds you doing well. We have begun the planning for the 9th annual Southern California Linux Expo and I wanted to formerly invite OpenStreetMap to participate again at our show. The show will be taking place February 25th - 27nd, 2011 at a new venue. SCALE 9x will be taking place at the Hilton LAX. This new venue will allow us to accommodate more exhibitors, more speakers, and make the show better overall. I am also including a link to our Call for Papers if anyone from OpenStreetMap is interested in submitting a talk for consideration. https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/simple_cfp/ Thanks! Gareth -- Gareth J. Greenaway | g...@socallinuxexpo.org Voice - 877-831-2569 x130 Southern California Linux Expo http://www.socallinuxexpo.org Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Pre-SOTM-US Gathering
If anyone wants to hang out downtown I'll be around 415-894-9711. On Aug 13, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Randal Hale wrote: Raging Burrito at 7:00 - I can't make it but it will be good. Thea and Kate are going there tonight as is a group from Atlanta. You can take MARTA and arrive two blocks from the restaurant. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.774155lon=-84.294741zoom=18layers=M (it should appear in the center of the screen) On 8/13/2010 1:43 PM, Mike N. wrote: Are there any plans for a get together at a bar or restaurant tonight in Atlanta before we kick things off tommorow? If there aren't yet does anyone want to make some? Yes - http://www.sotm.us/?page_id=62 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- Randal Hale, GISP North River Geographic Systems, Inc. ESRI Business Partner and Authorized Trainer http://www.northrivergeographic.com http://wordpress.northrivergeographic.com 423.653.3611 rjh...@northrivergeographic.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Colorado OSM meetup on Aug 24th
More info here http://www.meetup.com/OSM-Colorado/calendar/14338554/ Steve stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Participation at SOTM U.S.
The minutes still haven't been updated in 3 months. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_SOTM Have there been meetings? Is anyone even in charge of sponsorship? On Jun 15, 2010, at 5:53 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: hi, what will the entry fee cost? can we find sponsors to help cover the costs? -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org Chat Google Talk: JamesMikeDuPont Skype: h4ck3rm1k3 MSN: water_proof Contact Me On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hey All, We've gotten some great submissions for talks/workshops at SOTM U.S. We could still use more! Have something you'd like to talk about regarding OSM? It could be technical, community related or even an OSM comedy routine. To participate go here: http://www.sotm.us/?page_id=2 SOTM U.S. is August 14-15 in Atlanta, Georgia. -Kate ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us have fun, Steve Coast / stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Participation at SOTM U.S.
On Jun 15, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: Steve, Sorry there haven't been meetings. We have discussed it some within the OSM US board meetings. I realize this is not very a community and should be rectified. The volunteers in Georgia have a conflict with the previous meeting time. Great to hear things have been happening. I agree - there should be a separate meeting, agenda, minutes etc. There are plenty of people who can help on this list (at least, I'd hope so) if you have jobs for them, a regular schedule and a nudge or two. I've been handling sponsorship, we will put up a list of sponsors once someone actually writes a check. I have verbal promises from 6 or 7 groups at the moment. Would you like to sponsor? You could be our first. I'm pretty poor. -Kate On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:02 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: The minutes still haven't been updated in 3 months. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_SOTM Have there been meetings? Is anyone even in charge of sponsorship? On Jun 15, 2010, at 5:53 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: hi, what will the entry fee cost? can we find sponsors to help cover the costs? -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org Chat Google Talk: JamesMikeDuPont Skype: h4ck3rm1k3 MSN: water_proof Contact Me On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hey All, We've gotten some great submissions for talks/workshops at SOTM U.S. We could still use more! Have something you'd like to talk about regarding OSM? It could be technical, community related or even an OSM comedy routine. To participate go here: http://www.sotm.us/?page_id=2 SOTM U.S. is August 14-15 in Atlanta, Georgia. -Kate ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us have fun, Steve Coast / stevecoast.com have fun, Steve Coast / stevecoast.com ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest
It's pretty bonkers. Anyone is welcome to join the LWG call each week or read the minutes, and be as involved as you like. License changes will always throw up people who don't like it, and the LWG has been going through peoples legitimate and illegitimate concerns for two years I think it's been now. We've had lawyers checking everything at every step of the way. So it's very frustrating for those involved after so much effort to finally be able to make one step towards completion, and have people throw stones like this. Because, after all if you do your homework CCBYSA is a total mess for OSM and all the LWG is trying to do is fix that mess. Yours c. Steve On May 11, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Peter Batty wrote: Chris, I have to say I am confused about your reasoning. In this long list you don't give a single reason why you think that ODbL is worse than CC by SA. All your objections are about the process of change. One of your main objections is that there was too much communication and discussion about the reasons for the change, which seems a very strange concern to me. You say there was not enough due diligence but the process has been going on well over a year with a massive amount of review and discussion. You talk about changing the fundamental nature of the organization but I have no idea what you mean by this. ODbL embodies exactly the same principles as CC by SA was intended to, but is much more enforceable. As I said previously, the nature of the organization is all about creating a great free and open map of the world, that certainly has not changed either. So again, I'm sorry that you feel this way but I have to say I really don't understand your reasoning. Cheers, Peter. Sent from my iPad On May 11, 2010, at 7:21 PM, Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com wrote: I'm basing my decision on the ODbL roadmap (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan), Why you should vote Yes (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Why_You_Should_Vote_No) and Why you should vote No (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Why_You_Should_Vote_No) pages in the WIKI. Here are my objections: • The OSMF did not do enough due-diligance before voting to adopt the ODBL. Discussion was done on an extremely noisy list (talk@) and AFAIK none of the board ever cross-posted progress reports to the sub-lists. This is a classic case of security-by-obscurity. - See Chapter 1 of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. • The change is being done on the say-so of only 132 out of 254 paid members. I'm not an expert on Robert's Rules, but don't you need to have to have a super-majority to change the fundamental nature of an organization? • The roadmap as it stood yesterday made it sound like the ODbL is already passed, and that the OSMF was just dragging its heals about when it plans on implementing it or notifying anyone. If this is not correct, I apologize. • Last weekend I did some fairly minor WIKI updates and noticed several slippymaps were rendering with a reference to something called the Openstreetmap License. Between the updated slippymaps and Firefishy's original edit, it sounded like the OSMF had finally gotten around to making the contributor license mandatory. 4.a My current job is time consuming and has a draconian Internet access policy. I may well have become a victim of FUD, but I can only read my email on my phone, and I simply don't have time to read the talk@ group's 5+ daily digests. See points 1 and 3. • The OSMF's actions have made me feel disenfranchised on several occasions. My biggest sources of frustration are the original Local Chapter agreement, and the ODBL adoption vote that was taken on 27-Dec-2009 (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2009-December/000753.html). • To answer Serge's PMs, yes, this is a low blow, but my experiences on points 3 and 4 made me feel like there was no other choice. If I can stretch your metaphor a bit, it was looking like the jack-boots were on the doorstep, so a kick to the groin seemed like the best defense. What did you find objectionable? Maybe I'll be turned off by it too. I'm not speaking for Chris, but I'm of the opinion that the OSM Foundation did not perform due diligence in getting the approval (or at least the opinion) of the overall contributors to the database. I think I understand that the OSMF's opinion is that the license change is needed in order to have a legal framework to operate internationally, but I don't think it's appropriate to only ask the ~300 members of OSMF for approval. Please take this with a grain of salt though, as I think the current change only applies to new user accounts. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest
On May 11, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Chris Hunter wrote: Well, between the new links on the map and today's WIKI edit, it looks like the Brits have decided to shove the ODbL down our throats after all. I have major philosophical issues with the way the license change is being handled, and feel that I can no longer participate in the OSM project. I'm in the process of deleting all of my contributions. I'd like to encourage each of you to do the same, but in the end it depends on your goals for the project. You're nuts. I am being careful to only delete objects that have not been touched since I created them - roads, portions of the TN River, etc... Please respect my wishes and do not undelete these objects. You've released that data CCBYSA, anyone can do what they want with it, under that. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] SOTM USA
Minutes for SOTM US run out in March http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM#Weekly_calls There aren't any sponsors to speak of? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM/Sponsorship The server is still blank? http://openstreetmap.us/ Local chapter minutes run out last month... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States So, guys, can we be clear is SOTM US happening or not? There really is very little time to turn this around if the state of the wiki is anything close to the state of the planning. If the steam has run out, then we can still put something together in Denver. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] SOTM USA
It's been pointed out that there is a SOTM US website, but it's mostly empty right now: http://stateofthemap.us/ This wasn't even linked from the wiki, I fixed that. There is a phone call tomorrow which I guess uses the same details that have been advertised for last month: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States#Agenda_for_April_29th.2C_2010 The rest of the USA section of the wiki could need some gardening too if anyone has time: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States A good place to start is have a look at your State's page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:States_in_United_States It would be good to have all the state pages link to this mailing list up front. I've done that for CA and CO. Any other thoughts on making the wiki experience better? On May 12, 2010, at 10:43 AM, SteveC wrote: Minutes for SOTM US run out in March http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM#Weekly_calls There aren't any sponsors to speak of? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM/Sponsorship The server is still blank? http://openstreetmap.us/ Local chapter minutes run out last month... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States So, guys, can we be clear is SOTM US happening or not? There really is very little time to turn this around if the state of the wiki is anything close to the state of the planning. If the steam has run out, then we can still put something together in Denver. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] SOTM USA
so it's happening? cool.. can you fill in what's happened with the lack of minutes? On May 12, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: There is a new site at http://www.sotm.us, I need to switch the DNS of stateofthemap.us to point at it as well. Thank you for updating the wiki. Kate On May 12, 2010, at 2:16 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: It's been pointed out that there is a SOTM US website, but it's mostly empty right now: http://stateofthemap.us/ This wasn't even linked from the wiki, I fixed that. There is a phone call tomorrow which I guess uses the same details that have been advertised for last month: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States#Agenda_for_April_29th.2C_2010 The rest of the USA section of the wiki could need some gardening too if anyone has time: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States A good place to start is have a look at your State's page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:States_in_United_States It would be good to have all the state pages link to this mailing list up front. I've done that for CA and CO. Any other thoughts on making the wiki experience better? On May 12, 2010, at 10:43 AM, SteveC wrote: Minutes for SOTM US run out in March http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM#Weekly_calls There aren't any sponsors to speak of? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM/Sponsorship The server is still blank? http://openstreetmap.us/ Local chapter minutes run out last month... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States So, guys, can we be clear is SOTM US happening or not? There really is very little time to turn this around if the state of the wiki is anything close to the state of the planning. If the steam has run out, then we can still put something together in Denver. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest
On May 12, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Anthony wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: I am being careful to only delete objects that have not been touched since I created them - roads, portions of the TN River, etc... Please respect my wishes and do not undelete these objects. You've released that data CCBYSA, anyone can do what they want with it, under that. Steve is right; deleting your data from OSM is not different from deleting anyone else's data. This is a community after all. So deleting your data is vandalism just as it would be if someone else deleted your data, and such vandalism will usually rightfully lead to the community reverting it. What if a new contributor reverts it? Would the revert then be considered ODBL? No, it would be both CCBYSA and ODbL. But for all practical purposes, may as well just think of it as CCBYSA until the full changeover happens. Terribly thought out process. Terrible idea in the first place. Thanks for the insight. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?
FYI I am in cooperstown speaking at a thing next month, getting there via Albany. On Apr 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/28/10 1:59 PM, Richard Weait wrote: Any US OSM meetups other than these three? Any other fixed addresses for local US OSM meetings? http://www.meetup.com/Atlanta-OpenStreetMap/ http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Columbus/ http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/ i'm planning on doing something in the Albany, NY area once i see a few more active mappers in the area. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?
We've run a few ad hoc events in Denver off facebook because it's free. On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Any US OSM meetups other than these three? Any other fixed addresses for local US OSM meetings? http://www.meetup.com/Atlanta-OpenStreetMap/ http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Columbus/ http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/ Also, if the organizers of the Bay Area meetup would add OpenStreetMap as one of their groups, some others on the Bay Area OSM waiting list will be able to find them. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?
there's also the OSM calendar on the wiki, which has an RSS feed. On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Ian Dees wrote: Keep in mind that we have openstreetmap.us and a couple servers sitting around waiting for a use. Perhaps we could set up a similar thing for the US-based meetups and events? Or maybe we just need a shared Google Calendar... upcoming and meetup both already have communities around them, though... On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jim McAndrew j...@loc8.us wrote: Who is paying for these meetup.com groups? I met with someone at Where 2.0 from meetup.com mentioned that OSM uses the site for some meetups, but it's hard because they charge $12/mo. There may be a way to get these groups sponsored by meetup.com, so that OSM mappers aren't footing the bill for the groups. There's also Yahoo!'s upcoming.com which is just free in general. -- Jim McAndrew On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Christopher Covington c...@vt.edu wrote: On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 13:59 -0400, Richard Weait wrote: Any US OSM meetups other than these three? Any other fixed addresses for local US OSM meetings? http://www.meetup.com/Atlanta-OpenStreetMap/ http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Columbus/ http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/ Also, if the organizers of the Bay Area meetup would add OpenStreetMap as one of their groups, some others on the Bay Area OSM waiting list will be able to find them. While it's generally handy to have listings on multiple websites, what's the special importance of having OpenStreetMap groups listed on this particular paid service? -Chris C. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?
On Apr 30, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/30/10 12:50 PM, Thea Clay wrote: Personally I agree with Ian’s idea. I would love to see an OSM-US site like the one in Germany ( http://www.openstreetmap.de/) that would have city level pages similar to MappingDC. If I remember correctly we have donated servers re Ian and SteveC has the domain openstreetmap.us ( http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html). That way we can serve the needs of current members but also have an engaging centralized place were newbies can go to find resources, connect with other mappers in their area or, if there are no other mappers nearby, start the local community themselves. openstreetmap.us is currently pointed at the donated servers, which Ian has set up, but there is no main web page configured right this minute. apache is there, it works, but the only web page there is a default it works page. i think it's up to us (the board of OSM US) to jump start such usage. I disagree, the board should get out of the way and let anyone who wants to help JFDI. That's what we do at OSMF, or at least try to do. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] State of the Map U.S. Website
odesk.com or 99designs ? On Apr 12, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: Hey All, Would anyone like to help stylize the SOTM U.S. Website? We have a logo and just need some help pulling it together and making it look a bit more professional. Most of us working on it are backend developer types or sys admins, not so good at the making things look pretty. Thanks, Kate ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Bylaws for OpenStreetMap US Chapter
On Mar 24, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: All good comments. The one I did want to address Thanks.. but how are the other ones going to be addressed then?? is the incorporating in the District instead of Delaware for example. The reason everyone incorporates in Delaware partially for tax advantage, since we plan to obtain tax exempt status we do not have that advantage. It is common for non-profits to incorporate in D.C. since there are so many non-profits here they make it easy to do. Fair enough. Also the official text for the OSMF would be great so we do things properly. This should cover it: OpenStreetMap Foundation Ltd, a company incorporated by the registrar of companies for England and Wales on August 22nd, 2006 as a company limited by guarantee with company number 5912761 Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] CA: Mapping Party this weekend suggestion for draft foundation comments
On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Sarah Manley wrote: Hey All, Just a reminder (esp to anyone who may be coming in early for where 2.0), there is a mapping party this weekend:http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/calendar/12726887/ Can I request that comments to the foundation draft rules also be placed on that wiki's talk page. Anyone who is not on this list (or who can not read the frequent emails), misses out on the discussion. This directly contradicts what Kate told us to do... so which one is it? We now have three ways of communicating with OSMF-US and it feels like every time you use one of them, it turns out actually you had to use one of the others. I have a strange feeling that if I add feedback to the wiki the only way I'll get any response is... to be on the phone call. Can't you guys, like the working groups for OSMF, take input and respond in kind from any medium? Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] New car dealer uses OSM in TV spot
awesome let us know when it's up! On Mar 24, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Alex S. wrote: I am watching a re-run tv show, and mere minutes ago saw an ad for a local new car dealership - they are touting their location in this one, and used imagery from OSM mapnik in their spot. They made a few minor graphical tweaks, but otherwise left the imagery exactly as rendered. They usually post their spots to youtube, but this one isn't up yet. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Bylaws for OpenStreetMap US Chapter
On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: Hi All, We would like to incorporate the US Chapter soon and have bylaws up. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Draft_Rules Could everyone check them out and provide feedback to me or on the wiki in the next week (by midnight March 31st)? Looks good. Some questions: * Why incorporate in Washington rather than Delaware? Washington would seem to severely bias any conflict in favor of the people living there. * 4-9 board members seems loose. Why not define it? * The Board shall meet at least four (4) times per year, and attend special meetings called by the President. 4 a year seems very, very over the top *if* this means in-person meetings. Meetings should be roughly monthly with one in-person meeting if for no other reason than OSMF-US shouldn't just be paying for board members to fly around. It later says A Director may participate in a meeting of such board by means of a conference telephone or online, by means of which all persons participating in the meeting can communicate with each other at the same time. I suggest this is further defined as 1 meeting a month and 1 in-person a year (to coincide with a yearly report and election I suggest) * The term for each seat on the second Board (and each subsequent Board) shall be one (1) year. - it can be very useful to ensure overlap continuity by having some method to retain one or more board seats for more than a year. This helps if you get a totally new board and they have no idea what to do, and the old board aren't super communicative. There are different ways of doing it. Might be something to think about. * 1. The Board of Directors shall elect from among its members a President. The Board of Directors shall also elect a Secretary and Treasurer, who do not need to be Directors. The Board of Directors may also elect individuals to substitute in the absence of certain officers or to assist them (such as a Vice President position), or to create other officer positions with specific duties (such as a Press Officer position), subject to its discretion; these officers also do not need to be Directors. With the exception of the Secretary and the Treasurer, no one person can hold two officer positions listed here at the same time. The Board of Directors may also create officer positions to be directly elected by the Chapter membership or classes thereof, especially delegate-type officer positions for establishing representation of the Chapter in broader forums. - this feels super, super broad. You can basically do what you want. I'd far prefer if officers *were* board members. The above would seem to mean you can set up anyone you like to represent OSMF-US. * re-define President to Chairman would bring it in to line with the other foundations a-la OSMF itself * The Chapter shall hold meetings only in places that are open and accessible to members of the Chapter. Meetings shall be held as planned by the Board of Directors or any other committee duly designated or organized for such purpose. - would imply you need to publish the dial in details etc? make that explicit? eg the following clauses which say 4 a year etc... up that to 12. * In case of dissolution of the Chapter all assets will be transfered to the OpenStreetMap Foundation. - may as well define that properly, OSMF Ltd and the company number, registered in England and Wales etc. I can get you the text if needed, otherwise anyone could set one up and call it that. Thanks, Kate Chapman user: wonderchook ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Going to Where 2.0 and Want to Work the Booth?
we've done it before at wherecamp over lunch, makes much more sense then than friday when everyone wants to just go home or drink beer On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, Kate Chapman wrote: There has been some discussion about having a mapping party the Friday after Where 2.0. Also I'm not sure, but I think Steve might have proposed a BoF session. Steve? -Kate On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kate, Will be in the area but can't make time during the day. Any plans for evening events? Apollinaris On 19 Mar 2010, at 15:32 , Kate Chapman wrote: Hey All, Are you attending Where 2.0 and want to work the booth? I put up a wiki page for people to sign up for slots. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Where2.0/2010 Thanks, Kate ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US Local Chapter Temporary Board Update
Congrats to all who made it in and everyone else too for all the efforts made. On Mar 5, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Kate Chapman wrote: Hi U.S. Mappers, Since the election of the temporary OSM U.S. Chapter board we have chosen positions, which are as follows: President: Kate Chapman Vice President: Serge Wroclawski Secretary: Rich Welty Treasurer: Thea Clay Member At Large: Steven Johnson The regularly scheduled U.S. Chapter call will take place at 8pm EST this Thursday. You will find the call in details here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States Since the next couple months will be primarily spent organizing the incorporation paper work and other logistics, we feel there is no longer a need to hold weekly chapter meetings. What is your (the U.S. Community) preference on holding future US Chapter chapter calls? And are there any objections to holding the calls twice a month? The US SOTM calls will continue to occur every Thursday at 8:30 PM EST. You can find the call in information here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM There is now a page in the wiki for brainstorming ideas for the U.S. focused efforts http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/Ideas. The main goal of the U.S. Chapter isn't to incorporate it is to make a great map. The idea behind brainstorming is to see if there are ideas people have not related to the incorporation that they'd like to start working on (i.e. training/outreach/media). Your newly elect OSM US Temporary Board ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: Invitation to the Flourish 2010: Mini Exposition
Anyone near Chicago that can help? Begin forwarded message: From: Aisha Halim aishaha...@gmail.com Date: March 11, 2010 2:29:42 PM GMT To: SteveC st...@asklater.com Subject: Re: Invitation to the Flourish 2010: Mini Exposition Oh I'm sorry-- sure, anyone local around Chicago, IL who could make it? Thanks alot, Aisha On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 17:28, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: hi I don't think I can make this, am in the wrong country can I pass it on to others who might be able to run one? On Mar 10, 2010, at 12:56 AM, Aisha Halim wrote: Dear Steve Coast, We understand that OpenStreetMap has been involved with the Flourish Conference since last year. We'd be delighted if you could again be involved in our mini exposition this year. Since your company has been involved in bringing us the latest and greatest open source based products, we saw OpenStreetMap a great fit for Flourish 2010's mini expo, an event that will be part of Chicago's fourth annual opensource conference, hosted by UIC-ACM and the Chicago LUG. This conference, as you have well seen last year, will attract many enthusiasts, educators, professionals, students, and entrepeneurs in the Chicago community to get inspired and engaged within the larger sphere of the open source community. This is why we'd be really excited to see OpenStreetMap as a part of the mini-expo again, to disseminate its involvement with open source technologies. We can reserve a mini-expo table for you at Flourish 2010 at no cost to represent OpenStreetMaps at the conference. Flourish is a bit earlier this year than in prior years. Flourish Conference 2010 will be held on Friday, March 19th and Saturday, March 20th. As usual, the event will be held at the University of Illinois at Chicago. In addition to the mini-expo, this year's Flourish will host excellent, open source related talks and workshops and a coding sprint. More information can be found on our website: http://www.flourishconf.com/. Reservations for a mini-expo table require a minimal sponsorship of $150. With that, you also get your company's logo displayed on nearly every page of the Flourish 2010 website. More generous sponsorships are rewarded with increased recognition. More information can be found on the sponsorship page of our website: http://www.flourishconf.com/sponsorship/. Thank you for your time. I hope that I will see you again at Flourish Conference 2010. Sincerely, Aisha Halim Yours c. Steve Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] meeting minutes, March 4th 2010 conference call
can't you just copy it in to your email? Not a lot of text after all. On Mar 4, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Richard Welty wrote: the minutes for tonight's conference call may be found here on google docs: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dc9fx534_2fk694xc3 richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] meeting minutes, March 4th 2010 conference call
I think so - better than the extra click. We should do this in OSMF too, I don't think we do... Mike? Yours c. Steve On Mar 4, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 3/4/10 10:37 PM, SteveC wrote: can't you just copy it in to your email? Not a lot of text after all. well, yes, i can. if that's preferred in the future i can certainly do that. richard ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional
On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Most people know what professional behavior is, and if things get out of hand, we'll talk to them. Semi-moderated means at first, all post and all people will be moderated. Over time, we'll probably get go of the reins a bit Ok. I would like to be part of a professional OSM mailing list but not one that is moderated. I guess I'll just ask for a second, unmoderated list to be created ;-) +1 Moderation and control aren't really tenets of OSM. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional
On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:53 AM, SteveC wrote: If we're throwing the 1st amendment out the door, can the moderators at least post to the list when you decide something is not allowable on your arbitrary(?) scale of bad speech, and why? Then we all have transparency. /me waits to see if I get moderated for 'disagreeing with Serge' :-) :-) :-) Yours c. Steve On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:57 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Serge Wroclawski wrote: Most people know what professional behavior is, and if things get out of hand, we'll talk to them. Semi-moderated means at first, all post and all people will be moderated. Over time, we'll probably get go of the reins a bit Ok. I would like to be part of a professional OSM mailing list but not one that is moderated. I guess I'll just ask for a second, unmoderated list to be created ;-) If things ever got severely out of control on talk-us, I think I'd be OK with switching the moderation bit on. Several people specifically asked me for a fully moderated list. Full moderation is all messages, all the time. I don't think that's either feasible or necessary. People can generally behave like adults. At the same time, knowing this request and the reason for it, I understood their concerns and wanted to let them know that this list, unlike t...@openstreetmaup, would be monitored for behavior And if something happens, there's the understanding that the list is moderated and so no one feels bad if all messages are moderated while things get sorted out. The alternatives appeal to me far less: 1) We don't say anything. We say This is a new list and then there are arbitrary decisions about moderation, or kicking people off. I don't think this is a friendly way to run a community. 2) We fully moderate the list, all the time. That's no good.. It just makes communication stilted. Even though it's what I was asked for, it's too burdensome. 3) We don't do any moderation. Well, we have a list like this already and it's been a problem for us, keeping us from making meaningful connections with other communities. Governments and child-friendly non-profits want some assurance that a list will be safe, so this is what I'm trying to do. Nothing I do is going to satisfy everyone's requirements, but this list isn't about the existing OSM community as much as a new group of folks who want to be gently introduced to the project. Working with these people is valuable and the they've told me they need a safe forum. The list already brought in a large number of people and we're going to bring in various individuals and groups now, so as far as I'm concerned, it's been good... and nothing is going to be perfect at first either... so there's plenty of opportunity to learn. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Local Chapter Election Ballot
Guys all the SOTM votes are run by independent parties with additional independent verification, you doing any of that here? It's a bias for one of the people on the ballot sheet to be emailing asking for the your 5 votes. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Local Chapter Election Ballot
On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 2/15/10 3:45 PM, SteveC wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 2/15/10 3:27 PM, SteveC wrote: On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Richard Welty wrote: keep in mind that this is for a 6 month term, there is the opportunity to put fixes into the bylaws and throw out the winners of this round in a half a year. if it's not transparent enough for this round, it can be addressed. I find it pretty disturbing you're advocating not being transparent. i'm not really advocating that. but the process is launched, and the only other option is to discard it and do it over from scratch. It is...? I thought someone said the site used had features for that? It's not hard to give someone else access to the account or whatever? I'm all for being pragmatic and getting things started, but it's not much at all to ask someone independent verify the votes is it? maybe we should have. i''m not sure how to do that at this point without discarding and starting over. richard Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] OpenStreetMap US Local Chapter Election Ballot
Good point - I should have caught this in the '[Talk-us] Feburary 4th Minutes and Election Update' email. Too many fricking emails. I'm cool that kate is also overseeing Good luck all! On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Steve, Thanks for the interest in the US Local Chapter and expressing your concern about the elections. Let me see if I can address your concerns in this mail. The working group that is working to create the United States local chapter has made a lot of progress, but to go any further, it needs to incorporate as a legal entity. Doing that requires a board of directors. The working group (the group that meets on the call) decided that the most fair way to do this was to hold an informal election. It's an informal election because there aren't any true members yet, so the criteria by which someone was able to vote had to be chosen. It's also not a secret ballot. SurveyMonkey was chosen because it served our needs. Originally, Kate, who was leading the calls, was going to run the election, but since she's been unavailable for the last month (due to the crisis in Haiti), I've been running the calls, acting as secretary, and running the election. Kate is also overseeing the election, which is why all nominees had to contact both myself and Kate, and Kate will oversee the results on SurveyMonkey along with me. Circling back, we've discussed the voting procedure on the calls. It's been a major area for discussion: ensuring that the new organization is created in a way that's fair and transparent. We've discussed voting mechanisms, schemes, the length of time we'd give people to vote, etc. Each issue was discussed until there was unanimous consent in how we'd proceed. If even one person had any question, or objection- we didn't move forward. In addition to discussions within the working group, we've announced the election process on the talk-us list several times, and I've been sending out regular notifications about the election process for the last several weeks in order to let folks know where the working group was at, what it was planning, and to solicit feedback from the larger community. We've also been increasing the amount of communication the working group has had with the larger community in order to try to bring more parties onto the call. This is the election process that's been selected for this first board. Once there is an actual organization, it will open up membership and a board can be elected by the members. We've done our best to make the process as fair and as transparent as we could. Again, Kate is overseeing the election along with me. That reduces the chances that one of us could taint the election. If that doesn't satisfy your concerns, the other option available to us would be to release the votes once they're collected. I don't know how I feel about this. On the one hand, it increases transparency (and people could do their own tallies), but on the other, someone may not want their votes out for all to see. This issue would need to be discussed during the next working group call, this Thursday at 8pm EST/5pm PST. Lastly, I want to re-emphasize that this election is for the board that will serve temporarily, and that there will be a true election later this year. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] SCALE OpenStreetMap booth in LA next weekend
Hi Want to help promote OSM and happen to live in or be in LA? We have a booth at SCALE http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/ Weekend 20/21 Feb. For helping, you get a warm fizzy feeling and entry to the conference and tshirts and stuff. Ping me if you can help out. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Incorrect Summit Elevations - Colorado
On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:35 PM, Mike Thompson wrote: It appears that there is a systematic error in the summit elevations in OSM, at least in Colorado. Well I was given a map, a guide book and a diary for xmas all for climbing every 14er, so... I can go fix those :-) Talking about CO it's this weeks project of the week to help map Denver buildings: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Project_of_the_week For example, Longs Peak is listed in OSM as having an elevation of 4340 meters (14,239 ft). The topo map has it as 14,251 ft. I have noticed the same type of issue with nearby peaks. I suspect this has to do with the GNIS import. The elevations in the GNIS are from the National Elevation Dataset (NED), not spot (e.g. summit) elevations. The NED gives the (presumably average) elevation for a 3x3 arc second area. According to the metadata for the GNIS: == Elevation figures are not official and do not represent precisely measured or surveyed values. The data are extracted from the National Elevation Dataset (http://ned.usgs.gov/) for the primary coordinates and may differ from elevations cited in other sources. The differences will be most evident for features such as summits where precision is of more concern and where the local relief (rate of change of elevation) may be more prominent. However, the elevation figures are within tolerances for the data for most points and sufficiently accurate for purposes of general information. == Precise and official elevations are very important for hikers and mountineers, or at least we like to think they are. I believe that the National Geodetic Survey holds data on the official elevations for summits within the U.S., but I need to look into that. I am happy to start working on fixing this issue, but I didn't want to commence if someone else is already working on. Mike ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] hyrdography imports
any way the importer can a) go back and fix all the millions of duplicated nodes b) not do it in future? :-) Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] hyrdography imports
On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Mike N. wrote: any way the importer can a) go back and fix all the millions of duplicated nodes b) not do it in future? I'm working on both points - a) Happens in several cases: 1. At the joining of streams to waterbodies. The duplicate happens because data comes from 2 separate sources (Flowlines and Waterbodies / Areas). There needs to be a higher level view to combine them. The number of duplicates is relatively small. 2. NHD features are placed into multiple NHD 'sub-basin extracts'. Those could be eliminated at OSM conversion time if the conversion scripts were to have access to all features previously imported. This can result in many duplicates. 3. Adjoining area types from NHD do not share nodes, but should. I was able to cobble together a manual Perl script to fix this up as features are imported, but it's not a good general solution. is this covered - it seems to happen at every single stream intersection? b.) All current scripts I know of require significant rework, short of importing the NHD into a local GEO database, then exporting it to remove duplicate nodes. Should we halt all US Hydro import work until this is resolved? personally I think so, I'm fixing stuff in CO just to get a feel for it ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] NHD accuracy on ski slopes (Winter Park, CO)
How accurate is NHD data? I have a lot of streams going approximately down ski runs in CO here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.8671lon=-105.7518zoom=14 (yes the ski runs need mapping too) There's no streams for many of those there in winter. I'm pretty sure summer is the same but I will check with people who know the area well. If it turns out they don't exist, is it safe to kill them or might they actually be underground rivers now? And, does NHD know about underground rivers, and what should they be tagged if so? Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] openstreetmap.us
Hi I own openstreetmap.us There are other community sites like openstreetmap.nl and openstreetmap.de If anyone wants to set up something similar, just tell me the IP address of your box and I will point the domain at it. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] US OMSF proposal mission statement v2
One of the things we did in the beginning of OSMF is say, roughly, what the budget would be spent on. Therefore, if you prioritized the list of goals and assigned rough budget %'s to them you avoid a lot of problems over what to focus time, money and effort on 1, 2 or 5 years down the line. Doesn't mean they need to be set in stone, but right now everyone might have different ideas over what the most important bits are. Yours c. Steve On Dec 14, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Sarah Manley wrote: All, Mission statement v2 is now open for discussion: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Mission_statement Please comment here on talk-us or on the wiki. This draft will be open for a 2 week comment period (ending Dec 29). Cheers, Sarah ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: [Geowanking] RT @ardevcamp: #AR #Layar fans/enthusiasts join us Friday 7pm at the Epicenter Cafe www.epicentercafe.com 4 a pre #ARDevCamp
Will be of interest to those in the bay area... Begin forwarded message: From: Anselm Hook ans...@gmail.com Date: December 3, 2009 4:38:12 PM MST To: ardevc...@googlegroups.com, geowank...@geowanking.org Subject: [Geowanking] RT @ardevcamp: #AR #Layar fans/enthusiasts join us Friday 7pm at the Epicenter Cafe www.epicentercafe.com 4 a pre #ARDevCamp Reply-To: ans...@hook.org This is a round of drinks sponsored by Layar as an ice-breaker. From 7-9 at Epicenter cafe. 4th and Harrison San Francisco Thanks Layar! :-) ___ Geowanking mailing list geowank...@geowanking.org http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] NHD Data in CO
Yeah if you could that would be super level 5 awesome. Yours c. Steve On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:59 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Are the NHD import people on this list? Yes. I am one of them, but it appears that we're distributing the work load of uploading, so I'm not sure who is taking that section. If no one else is doing it, I would be happy to start uploading it. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] NHD Data in CO
On Dec 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, Ian Dees wrote: Are we talking about all of Colorado or just a certain high-priority section? I think around the populous would be good, that basically comes down to Boulder/Denver/Colo. Springs. AFAIK. But the whole state also awesome. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] HI: Hawaii GIS Data
Shaun it's simply not that clear cut, there are plenty of people in the US who would never have gotten involved without TIGER. I met one yesterday and it was the first thing he said. On Dec 4, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Shaun McDonald wrote: Why oh why oh why do some people insist on wasting time trying to import loads of data? Please take a read of http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2009/11/10/the-pottery-club/ Please go out and map what's out on the ground, as usually imported data is of a rather low standard or the import isn't done right, and it's really, really hard to do an import correctly. On 5 Dec 2009, at 00:00, Scott Atwood wrote: The Hawaii state government has a sizable repository of GIS data that could be useful to import into OSM: http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/gis/. I have contacted a manager in the GIS department by telephone and verified that this GIS data is in the public domain, and therefore available for import into OSM. Hawaii has pretty good road coverage from a import of 2007 TIGER data on O'ahu, and an ongoing import of 2009 TIGER data for the remaining islands, so the roads data provided by the GIS department probably doesn't need to be considered.But there is a lot of other data available that isn't currently in OSM, such as: * Streams, waterfalls, dams, and canals (Does the National Hydrography Dataset cover Hawaii?) * Coral reefs * Offshore islets * Mile markers Not so sure these belong in OSM. * Trails * Parks * Schools Um haven't these already been imported? Not just current ones, but historic ones too, and schools that opened 4 years ago aren't in there? * Hotels * Assorted administrative boundaries You'll probably find that most of these are in there already. * Land use categorization. * etc. There has been relatively little mapping activity in Hawaii outside of O'ahu, so these data sets are unlikely to conflict with much existing work on the neighbor islands. More careful consideration would have to be given for data imports for O'ahu. Do some publicity, run some mapping parties. The reason OSM has worked in Germany is due to plenty of publicity. Shaun I have not made any investigation into the accuracy of any of this data yet, and honestly, I'm not sure what sort of tools or techniques would be useful for evaluating the accuracy. -Scott -- Scott Atwood The hill isn't in the way, it is the way. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] NHD Data in CO
I was asked yesterday if/when the NHD would be imported around CO. Anyone know? Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects
my mistake On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Sarah Manley wrote: No just talk-us, not the actually lists were contacted. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:43 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I thought I mailed all the talk-us-* lists when I asked for input? On Dec 3, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Sarah Manley wrote: Agreed that at this point in time, having everything centralized here is the best way forward. I would like to make a request for the future though, that if a list is marked for deletion that a message is sent out on that list informing them. (maybe a week ahead of time). I was the admin for the bay area list and didn't know if was deleted until my email to it bounced. It would have been helpful to let folks know, and encourage them to enlist here if they weren't already (or to join the meetup group which is now being used at the local event list as well). At this point in the project, we can use as many mappers as possible, and don't want to lose folks who may only be involved on a localized level. Thanks, Sarah -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:03:22 -0800 From: Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net Subject: Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects To: Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 1259769802.24696.2521.ca...@nimitz Content-Type: text/plain On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 03:55 -0500, Dale Puch wrote: I think the idea was that there wasn't that much traffic that it would bother the talk-us group, and what was there the rest of us could possible benefit from. Yeah, that's what I took from it too. It will be a wonderful day when we have so much activity on this list that there's a desperate need to break it up somehow. As talk-us list dictator, I hereby declare that any local discussions about anywhere in the country are more than welcome here. :) -- Dave -- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:18:57 -0800 From: SteveC st...@asklater.com Subject: Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects To: Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net Cc: Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com, talk-us@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: eb9f7ae1-b080-4092-86aa-a65229fdd...@asklater.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii agreed multiple empty lists are sub-optimal, and what we saw in Europe was that local events, published on a national scale encouraged people to travel long distances to them, and prodded competition to start other events where people couldn't make it. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us This may very well already be the defacto standard, but if not, might I suggest that we establish a best practice of prefixing subjects which are regionally directed with a 2-4 character region prefix followed by a colon? NY: has already been used. other states also would be by postal code abbreviation If you need a broader or narrower region, such as New England (NwEn?) or SF/Bay area (SFB?), etc. then as long as you don't step on a state, if you get there first, it's yours. This would allow those who are interested in a particular region to be pricked by the prefix, and would also make it easy to search the list for regionally specific entries. Anything without a prefix would be of general US interest. -- Randy ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects
I thought I mailed all the talk-us-* lists when I asked for input? On Dec 3, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Sarah Manley wrote: Agreed that at this point in time, having everything centralized here is the best way forward. I would like to make a request for the future though, that if a list is marked for deletion that a message is sent out on that list informing them. (maybe a week ahead of time). I was the admin for the bay area list and didn't know if was deleted until my email to it bounced. It would have been helpful to let folks know, and encourage them to enlist here if they weren't already (or to join the meetup group which is now being used at the local event list as well). At this point in the project, we can use as many mappers as possible, and don't want to lose folks who may only be involved on a localized level. Thanks, Sarah -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:03:22 -0800 From: Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net Subject: Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects To: Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com Cc: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: 1259769802.24696.2521.ca...@nimitz Content-Type: text/plain On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 03:55 -0500, Dale Puch wrote: I think the idea was that there wasn't that much traffic that it would bother the talk-us group, and what was there the rest of us could possible benefit from. Yeah, that's what I took from it too. It will be a wonderful day when we have so much activity on this list that there's a desperate need to break it up somehow. As talk-us list dictator, I hereby declare that any local discussions about anywhere in the country are more than welcome here. :) -- Dave -- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:18:57 -0800 From: SteveC st...@asklater.com Subject: Re: [Talk-us] San Francisco / Bay area projects To: Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net Cc: Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com, talk-us@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: eb9f7ae1-b080-4092-86aa-a65229fdd...@asklater.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii agreed multiple empty lists are sub-optimal, and what we saw in Europe was that local events, published on a national scale encouraged people to travel long distances to them, and prodded competition to start other events where people couldn't make it. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us This may very well already be the defacto standard, but if not, might I suggest that we establish a best practice of prefixing subjects which are regionally directed with a 2-4 character region prefix followed by a colon? NY: has already been used. other states also would be by postal code abbreviation If you need a broader or narrower region, such as New England (NwEn?) or SF/Bay area (SFB?), etc. then as long as you don't step on a state, if you get there first, it's yours. This would allow those who are interested in a particular region to be pricked by the prefix, and would also make it easy to search the list for regionally specific entries. Anything without a prefix would be of general US interest. -- Randy ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] SOTM US Call
Resuming the weekly call, tomorrow after the US Chapter call: Monday Nov 30th 5:30PM PST/8:30PM EST (immediately after the US chapter call) +1 218-486-3891 x 224699644 Main topic is finalizing location and date. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] SOTM call today CANCELLED
I'm unfortunately on a plane for the scheduled time. Will reschedule shortly. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] addressing format
Thinking about this 'numbers on nodes' schema... let's say it's perfect and we all agree, then who's going to do the import work for it? It requires matching up past and present geometries to find the correct nodes to update, and, er, that's the hard bit of coding with the Karlsruhe schema ways with the new geometries that Dave has explicitly bowed out from... Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Non-Integer addresses
any idea where...? maybe we could get some locals to investigate what they are? On Nov 15, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: So, it seems that the TIGER data have some interesting addresses like: Non integer address: 9-35 Non integer address: 9-01 Non integer address: K200 Non integer address: K210 Anybody have any thoughts on how we should handle these? The conversion script complains about them but I'm not even sure if it puts them in anyway or just warns. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data
On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Dave Hansen wrote: What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will need to do all of the geometry corrections that people have done for this data in the last nearly 2 years. I agree that this is the optimal thing to do. But it's really hard, so I'm not volunteering to take it on. If there's anyone out there braver than I, please speak up. :) I hear you but for the purposes of just thinking about it... I think it might be a lot easier than we think. Forget matching TIGER IDs... if I know a line segment goes from 15th Valencia to 16th Valencia in TIGER then all I need to find in the same set of points in the OSM dataset which isn't going to be super hard. I find 15th, I find Valencia, see if they cross at some node. Same with the other intersection, then see if those nodes are on a way that joins both of them and find the points in between. And as long as the geometry isn't radically different then I can match up the points. I think the major problem would be divided highways where one way is now two ways with different directions, but that shouldn't be super hard to do. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data
On Nov 14, 2009, at 5:49 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Hi, 2009/11/14 SteveC st...@asklater.com: In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search for all the ways that make up the addressing on one side of the street and move them manually. Many times for each one. I've done a similar import of address data in my area and when writing the converter I forgot to do the projection the first time, this resulted in a similar effect to what you describe. I've not seen Dave's data but looking at the code he's using there's no projection to mercaartor when offsetting the interpolation ways. My ugly code is at http://repo.or.cz/w/ump2osm.git In San Francisco, for divided highways the old TIGER data used to bow in to a point every block and we had, I think, automated ways to split those out in to two straight lines. This is reflected with little bows on the address lines at each intersection - see guerrero for example. What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will need to do all of the geometry corrections that people have done for this data in the last nearly 2 years. yeah but that might be non-trivial, whereas I'm happy to go over an entire county budging things Cheers Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data
Can I have SF county, CA please and Arapahoe County, CO...? Yours c. Steve On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: So, just like the original TIGER import, I'm now grossly stealing someone else's code: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py and I now have made some .osm files with Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways. I'm not going to post them publicly. I did that for the original TIGER, and some enterprising folks took them and uploaded without mentioning it to anyone and it turned into a big mess with no coordination. If anyone wants to see the data for their county, let me know. I'll send you a copy of what I have. All you have to do is convince me that you'll never upload these initial data under any circumstances. :) We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data
Dave I've looked at the two you sent me and they're both basically fine but for two things. In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search for all the ways that make up the addressing on one side of the street and move them manually. Many times for each one. In San Francisco, for divided highways the old TIGER data used to bow in to a point every block and we had, I think, automated ways to split those out in to two straight lines. This is reflected with little bows on the address lines at each intersection - see guerrero for example. Otherwise looks good to me! What are your plans? Yours c. Steve On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: So, just like the original TIGER import, I'm now grossly stealing someone else's code: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py and I now have made some .osm files with Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways. I'm not going to post them publicly. I did that for the original TIGER, and some enterprising folks took them and uploaded without mentioning it to anyone and it turned into a big mess with no coordination. If anyone wants to see the data for their county, let me know. I'll send you a copy of what I have. All you have to do is convince me that you'll never upload these initial data under any circumstances. :) We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:11 PM, SteveC wrote: Dave I've looked at the two you sent me and they're both basically fine but for two things. In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search for all the ways that make up the addressing on one side of the street and move them manually. Many times for each one. In San Francisco, for divided highways the old TIGER data used to bow in to a point every block and we had, I think, automated ways to split those out in to two straight lines. This is reflected with little bows on the address lines at each intersection - see guerrero for example. Otherwise looks good to me! What are your plans? when I say looks good, I mean within the bounds of the underlaying data of course :-) Yours c. Steve On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: So, just like the original TIGER import, I'm now grossly stealing someone else's code: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py and I now have made some .osm files with Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways. I'm not going to post them publicly. I did that for the original TIGER, and some enterprising folks took them and uploaded without mentioning it to anyone and it turned into a big mess with no coordination. If anyone wants to see the data for their county, let me know. I'll send you a copy of what I have. All you have to do is convince me that you'll never upload these initial data under any circumstances. :) We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time. -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] deletion of talk-us-bayarea?
it got killed after consensus from people On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Sarah Manley wrote: Hello All, Did someone delete the talk-us-bayarea list? From the last email discussion on talk-us there was never a full or agreed upon decision. I just tried to announce an upcoming event and got the following error message. I understand it's not an active mailing list, but it is used for announcements and should not be deleted with out consensus from those who are on the list. If you scroll to the bottom you can see the announcement I was trying to make for an upcoming mapping party. Best, Sarah -- Forwarded message -- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem mailer-dae...@googlemail.com Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:45 PM Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) To: sarah.m.man...@gmail.com Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: talk-us-baya...@openstreetmap.org Technical details of permanent failure: Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 Unrouteable address (state 14). - Original message - MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.9.11 with SMTP id 11mr409128wfi.101.1258073102381; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:45:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:45:02 -0800 Message-ID: 2437b81b0911121645v5a0a968cte7ee9d3a9d69b...@mail.gmail.com Subject: gilroy hike mapping party From: Sarah Manley sarah.m.man...@gmail.com To: talk-us-baya...@openstreetmap.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502b00d5e7445047835f8fd Hello, We are partnering again with the sierra club in the south bay to host a mapping party hike (thanks shawn!) Details:http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Gilroy_Mapping_Party Also, we have been chatting weekly about forming the US OSM chapter. It would be great to have more bay area folks on the call. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States If anyone is interested in a SF (or closer to SF) meetup, let me know. Its been a while. Cheers, Sarah ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] chapter call
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States needs updating with details of next call Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] US SOTM
Dear all On the US chapter call this week we briefly discussed doing a SOTM in the USA a couple of weeks before or after the main SOTM. If you'd like to be involved with this, the first call will be at Monday Nov 9th 5:30PM PST/8:30PM EST (immediately after the US chapter call) +1 218-486-3891 x 224699644 Agenda: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dkbvxqx_7g83v5kjm (please feel free to suggest topics) Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] TIGER Addressing Import
Dave - super awesome. As I said on IRC the other week, but I'll repeat here for all - I think dumping the addressing for all 3,000 counties and then letting people import them one by one will be the best way to do it. Another random thought - should the addressing ways be one long way with two nodes per block, or lots of two node ways? My immediate preference is for the former...? Also - the ways will be deplaced 90 degress to the road centerline to push them to the edge of the road I assume - but you also need to 'pull in' the end nodes too so they are not laying on top of the cross streets at each end, if you see what I mean? Yours c. Steve On 3 Oct 2009, at 09:13, Dave Hansen wrote: Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema Well, I have some perl code that will parse the 2007/2008 TIGER data files. My goal is to get the addresses imported into OSM this time around. Here's some ugly sample output of what I have now. http://sr71.net/~dave/osm/tiger/sherman.osm I don't need any suggestions on it, I just wanted to show people what I have so far. Issues: * I currently have the way combination code turned off. This means that OSM ways are represented 1:1 with the TIGER TLIDs. * Some multi-segment TIGER roads have only a single address range. Do we create segments for each road segment and evenly divide the addresses? Or, do we draw a single address segment going from the first to last node? And, yes, I saw the 2009 data come out. I'll make sure my code works with it. -- Dave ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] TIGER Addressing Import
On 13 Oct 2009, at 09:26, Simone Cortesi wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 18:20, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: As I said on IRC the other week, but I'll repeat here for all - I think dumping the addressing for all 3,000 counties and then letting people import them one by one will be the best way to do it. dont you think we need a simple way to check-in check-out files from such a big effort? maybe... but right now the blocker is dave having enough time... I suggest we guilt trip him by buying him things off his amazon wishlist or something :-) something that will enable people to interact with the files. something visual as this http://osm.m0nty.de/ used in bayern for the aerial images? or am am I too old to be able to think about complex wiki pages? yeah I get the point, but I'd prefer to cross the first hurdle, which is having some files to look at Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] U.S. Local Chapters
yeah I can set up a call, just gimme the word On 1 Oct 2009, at 12:06, Serge Wroclawski wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Is too much to ask for to have everyone interested in the conference call set up Skype? I would much, much prefer a standard conference call service. Those services are generally more reliable, easier to get working, have consistency in terms of audio quality, and don't rely on proprietary software. I won't harp on that last point too much (the others are fairly good), but I know it can be an issue for some people and it'd be good to avoid it if possible. What's the conference call system that OSM uses for other call-ins, like the data import working group one? - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] U.S. Local Chapters
Really interesting post, thanks On 29 Sep 2009, at 20:10, Bill Ricker wrote: If your are going to incorporate at a national level, please look at examples of good and bad examples in the FOSS community. GrokLaw linked to this discussion, which has relevance outside its own niche. http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20090914102959510 Bill n1...@arrl.net bill.n1...@gmail.com Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] U.S. Local Chapters
On 16 Sep 2009, at 13:56, Sarah Manley wrote: As listed by Kate in her second email (and being built out on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States ) A local chapter will do more advocacy within their own nation. OK That's a lot more filled out, added my name. Suggest moving to a weekly phone call to get it moving. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] U.S. Local Chapters
Playing devils advocate a bit - what will the chapter do that we can't or aren't already? Does the aura of having an incorporated body somehow change everything? It certainly didn't with the OSMF, it was more that we needed a body to hold independent control of things like the domain names. On 15 Sep 2009, at 19:32, Kate Chapman wrote: Hi all, I've heard various talk going on about local chapters in various places. I did a quick archive search but didn't find that much information regarding U.S. chapters. There seems to be people interested, but perhaps working separately. Let me preface the rest of my email with the statement that I'm not a lawyer, but a geonerd. I have helped establish a non-profit in the U.S. that obtained tax-exempt status and I can speak with regards to that experience though. For the group I worked with we already were operating as an L.L.C. at the time and moved to incorporate in D.C. In order to incorporate we had to pay a small fee (roughly 100 dollars), have a registered agent in the District and have articles of incorporation. The tax-exempt status was far more work and involved proof of events we had (in this particular case it was flyers), tax records as well as filling out a 27 page IRS form. If I understand things correctly a U.S. Local Chapter could do the same thing, but we might need to file paperwork with each state we are active in (not totally sure about this, does anyone else have a better idea?). What are people's thoughts about local chapters or having 1 large U.S. chapter? I can see benefits to both sides. Advantages: - I think easily enough possible members - Pooling of resources, one set of paper work Disadvantages: -Spread out, most work would be remote (maybe not a disadvantage) -Where would we be incorporated? Thoughts? I've seen in various places such as the wiki a well as talking to people that there is interest in some sort of U.S. based chapter, but exactly how has to be worked out. Thanks, Kate Chapman ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Location Intelligence in Denver
I've been asked by those running the conference if anyone here is able / willing to do a talk Break out Session: For Solution Developers – Open Source Technology. It's on Tuesday, Oct. 6, in the afternoon. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fwd: Thompson Ave in Croton on Hudson, NY (10520) is not a through street!
anyone want to fix? Begin forwarded message: From: ROBERT WINTERMEIER winterme...@prodigy.net Date: 7 September 2009 08:41:04 PDT To: st...@asklater.com Subject: Thompson Ave in Croton on Hudson, NY (10520) is not a through street! It stops about 20-30 feet before the PVC Middle school at its Northern end. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Calling Coloradans
Hi I'm speaking at Location Intelligence http://www.locationintelligence.net/index.php in Westminster. It's on 5-7 October or so. There's a good chance we will have a OpenStreetMap booth so I'm looking for volunteers to help man it and get people interested. Anyone wanna help? Then I'm thinking a OSM pub meetup in Denver on the evening Wednesday 7th might be good. Who's up for it? Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Deletion of unnecessary TIGER node tags will commence this week-end
Frederik Good plan. One thing though - what order is this being done in? There might be arguments for doing geographic areas or some number ranges, or something, before others. Yours c. Steve On 6 Aug 2009, at 12:34, Frederik Ramm wrote: Dear all, Andy Allan has made a convincing case about superfluous node tags in this posting on dev: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2009-June/016009.html I have meanwhile prepared the process for the deletion of these tags, and have laid out an estimate of the volumes and timespans here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2009-July/016401.html The executive summary of both these postings is that it'll be about 100 days of intense automatic editing activity and then we'll hopefully be through, and have a leaner data set (by 50% or better) which will benefit everyone, but especially the US users: * faster editing due to smaller data volume * faster and easier data processing for US data * as a consequence, some useful tools and services which are currently Europe only might be more readily available for the US The process will drop source, tiger:tlid, tiger:upload_uuid and tiger:county from all nodes which have at least one of the three tiger tags. It will not drop source from other nodes. If a node is found to be tagless after removing these, and the node is not used by any way, it will be removed entirely. Apollinaris has voiced concerns that such an intense edit activity might lead to more conflicts when trying to upload changes. Yes, this is true, but the increase is very small indeed and will be further reduced by a tight regional grouping of edits. (Nevertheless, while the automated edit is ongoing, it is even more advisable than at other times to not stretch JOSM edit sessions over hours on end.) If I don't hear strong objection then I will let the automated process commence this weekend. It will work in small chunks, so can always be paused, and I will post instructions that allow you to monitor progress (and see which area is currently processed). Like every edit, it can also be reverted should the need arise, but of course reverting 100 days worth of edits is something I'd rather not contemplate. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Fixing TIGER
Hi Just want to highlight to people here some neat things to help fixing TIGER. There's now a map layer highlighting what needs help: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=626 as well as some HOWTOs on what needs fixing http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER_fixup Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Addresses and Tiger
On 1 Jun 2009, at 01:57, Alan Millar wrote: Has anyone actually done ANY implementation of a relation-based addressing system in OSM yet? I've yet to see any actual examples of either data collection or use; I've only seen wiki proposals so far. Matt loves Karlsruhe relations In any case +1 for importing TIGER addresses Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Talk-ca] Reminder: Toronto, ON mapping party - Jan 31st.
I can't make it but just a note that this is superb it's happening On 30 Jan 2009, at 11:24, Colin McGregor wrote: Just a quick reminder note, there will be a mapping party in Toronto, Ontario When: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:00 PM Where Aroma Espresso Bar 500 Bloor St W Toronto ON M5S 1Y3 416-303-454 Short walk from the Bathurst subway station Colin McGregor ___ Talk-ca mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Interview with me online this evening
Watch listen online: 5:30PM PST tonight http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-wftl-show Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Dallas Mapping Party 1/2 November
Anyone in TX or near Dallas want to come along to a mapping party 1/2 November? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Dallas Or lemme know if there are people nearby to contact... Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Portland data
thanks :-( On 16 Jul 2008, at 17:03, Dave Hansen wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 07:57 +0100, SteveC wrote: Can anyone (especially anyone local to Portand but it's not crucial) take some time to look and see? Adam says: I called Metro today, and they say their data is not public domain, so I think that makes it unusable on OSM. Oh well. Adam :) -- Dave Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] Portland data
Dear all Adam wrote to me about possible Public Domain Portland, Oregon data that we could import: Thanks for emailing me again. I talked to someone with the city, and he seemed to think I needed to contact Metro ( http://www.metro-region.org/ ), about GIS datasets. Metro has a page at http://www.oregonmetro.gov/index.cfm/go/by.web/id=593 where they talk about GIS datasets that can be purchased. I was planning to call them and ask about whether the information was public domain (as most of it should be, unless it was done by private contractors) and if it was, why they were selling it. I haven't gotten around to contacting them yet. I got distracted by school and inquiries to the US Forest Service (which I've posted about on dev@) about getting GIS data for national forests in the US. That, at least, looks promising. I'll put calling Metro on my to- do list. We at CloudMade could put some resources to get this imported, but I need to know a) if it's Public Domain and b) if it's better data than what we have. Can anyone (especially anyone local to Portand but it's not crucial) take some time to look and see? Also, any other data in the US that fits that description please let me know about and we can possibly help get it imported. Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] more parties in Denver, Portland, Seattle
All have apping parties in the next 2-3 weeks. If you know anyone near Denver, Portland or Seattle that might be interested, or have suggestions for groups to contact to kick off the community in these (or other!) areas lemme know... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Denver http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Portland http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Seattle Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] more parties in Denver, Portland, Seattle
oh cool thanks I already added one for denver... how did you get it to be venue: TBA? On 9 Jul 2008, at 13:55, will law wrote: Hope this helps, let me know if you me to change anything. http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/870857/ http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/870863/ http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/870867/ Will On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:59 AM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All have apping parties in the next 2-3 weeks. If you know anyone near Denver, Portland or Seattle that might be interested, or have suggestions for groups to contact to kick off the community in these (or other!) areas lemme know... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Denver http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Portland http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Seattle Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-us Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [Talk-ca] Great Lakes - coastlines / lakes
it would seem they just dont render on mapnik for some reason On 18 Apr 2008, at 10:08, Gerald A wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Jason Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SteveC wrote: The great lakes are missing off the map! Anyone here able to import them or something magically? If not I'll turn over to the dev/talk list but I thought people here might be interested themselves :-) They show up on osmarender, I haven't checked the data yet but its possible they are entered as natural=water instead of coastline. I'll take a look at this over lunch if no one else gets to it first. Are they missing for the map DB, or from the slippy map? Living on the North side of one, I'd have noticed if it disappeared from the main slippy map. Might be a rendering lag, (They also appear in Potlatch, so I'm not sure where this is manifesting itself). Thanks for the note, more details would be helpful if you could. thanks, Gerald. Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] virtual san francisco mapping party?
On 12 Apr 2008, at 02:00, Peter Miller wrote: I started cleaning up around the San Francisco area a week ago in preparation for the Where 2.0 conference (Burlingame: May 12th- 14th) and WhereCamp (Mountain View: May 17th – 18th ). ...and the mapping party next Staurday? I've been putting the word out and trying to get the data in from people here. Does anyone else feel like joining me? I would suggest that the initial focus is the area to the west of San Francisco Bay between San Francisco itself and Sunnyvale. Just choose a random spot to start and work outwards and let’s see how it goes. For anyone who hasn’t tried it yet, rectifying Tiger data is more compulsive that Sudoku! I've been doing exactly this, but potlatch is really pissing me off because you have to be so precise when moving nodes about and adding nodes to ways, you often just drag the map and not a node. I've asked richard for a 'double width' node and way mode. I don't think potlatch has been used extensively in this way - fixing lots of existing crap data - before. Btw, if anyone knows what is going on in the bay just north of Mountain View and the Googleplex then please do some suitable tagging. There seem to be I'm around there right now if there is anything else specific you need done. Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] braided streets
On 8 Apr 2008, at 10:13, Dave Hansen wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 23:55 -0700, Alan Millar wrote: The only thing I might do differently is not have the node shared between the railway and the streets. That's what I did for the TIGER upload: created two nodes at the same location. One for the street, one for the railway. Oh, that was on purpose? Oops. JOSM validator complains about them, so I've been merging them where I find them. Bah. My version doesn't do that. :) http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~daveh/josm/ Please don't merge them any more. A common node really means that they share a point in space and that the point is navigable. If you can turn a train on to the street, then it's OK to share the node. :) to sanity check - what I do at train crossings is that they share a node, with railway:crossing on the node or whatever it is, but one way is railway:rail and the other is highway:unclassified or whatever, and so any sane routing app wont route one type on to the other To me, it makes sense to combine them. If a car will have to drive over the tracks, then they should share the same node, it seems. I haven't really thought it through. How does it help to have them be separate nodes? I'm not sure it helps with much. It's just what I was asked to do long ago. :) -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-us Best Steve ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] LUGRadio Live, SF, 12-13th April
Anyone here? http://www.lugradio.org/live/USA2008/ Will be there... have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-us
