[Solved] Re: [libreoffice-users] help making text fill a page
Hi :) Brilliant :) Congrats :) It's good to hear you managed to solve this so quickly. Congrats and regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, James bjloc...@lockie.ca wrote: From: James bjloc...@lockie.ca Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] help making text fill a page To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 2:56 On 09/10/11 19:19, Brian Barker wrote: At 17:36 10/09/2011 -0400, James wrote: I've been struggling with getting it to fill a page. Maybe someone else can look at it and figure out how to make page 2 start on page 1 (First Page). Physically I want 'Cover' page style (as page 1), 'First Page' style (as page 2), 'Default' page style (as pages 3+). Logically I want page 1, page 1, pages 2+. http://lockie.ca/test/pageTest.odt.zip You have the Keep with next paragraph option set on much of the material on your third page, and the only way this material can be kept together is if it is moved to that new page. o Select the first three rows on the third page. o Go to Format | Paragraph... | Text Flow | Options (or right-click | Paragraph... | Text Flow | Options) and remove the tick from Keep with next paragraph. o Select the next table and repeat. o Once more and you're done! You may be able to achieve what you want making fewer changes, but that's probably not important. I trust this helps. Brian Barker This was exactly the help I needed. I had paragraph formatting that overroad my paragraph styles/ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 09/10/2011 03:28 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is set up is to show clients how to save in Microsoft format as opposed to .odf. It's actually one of the first questions they ask. Lately, I've been wondering about the wisdom of an open source package actively supporting a secret format like the Office ones. Would it not be preferable to support *only* saving in the open document format and then providing a plugin for Microsoft Office users who needed it? IMHO, allowing users to save in secret formats just continues the problem. They're still using proprietary software, just packaged a different way. Thoughts? I know very few people that are able to function without the ability to read or produce a DOC type file. Consider how it would affect you if you could no longer read/write text files, CSV files, PDF files, any graphic image other than say PNG. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?
On 09/10/2011 09:59 AM, Twayne wrote: In news:1910892523-1315498044-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1807574881-@b2.c1.bise7.blackberry, Onyeibo Okutwoho...@gmail.com typed: Sorry, this is another top-post. I agree totally but you need to give people benefit of doubt too (like in my case ... I'm mobile and the mail app on this phone is hardcoded to push all quotes below the reply) Otherwise, I do bottom posts when I'm my desktop/laptop Sheesh! Speaking of lazy; it takes exactly 2 keystrokes to from the top/bottom to the bottom/top of any post or e-mail. CTRL HomeOREnd does the job! You won't have any luck in changing the bottom-posting preferences as it's long established that the wishes of the masses will not change for the wishes of the minorities simply for the minor convenience you present. Hmmm, a couple of comments. I dislike laptops because the keyboards are horrid compared to my standard keyboard. Pressing this key combination may be problematic. Still, perhaps it is lazy, but, that feels harsh to me. If the entire mass of people preferred bottom posting, then top/bottom posting would rarely come up on the list. Every company where I have worked, top posting is used (every company has used OUTLOOK, and that is how the computers are pre-configured). Most of the people that I email on a regular basis top post, not bottom post. I expect, however, that top posting is strongly preferred for personal correspondence, because the only time that bottom posting seems to be advantageous is if you see an email message for the first time after there have already been numerous responses. In that case, it is easier to read from top to bottom. If you have been following the thread, however, then bottom posting is less efficient and annoying (and no email software supports positioning the view to the first non-quoted text). I only see top/bottom posting comments on OOo/LO related email lists. Never noticed it mentioned on the other lists to which I subscribe. Hmmm, I should take a look. Argyll mailing list, I see almost exclusively top posting. On the GIMP documentation mailing list, it seems to be mostly top posting and some interspersed. GNOME mailing list seems to have a large number of bottom posts, but, most are interspersed and some of the long time posters are top posters. I did not check Apache, but, I think that the Apache lists recently mentioned something about this, so, I expect that they have a preference for bottom posting as well, but, I cannot swear to it. I can't say I ever paid it much mind until I saw people get all riled up about it. If you want bottom posting, and only bottom posting, then LO should make that as a clear decision and then that should be communicated when you sign up, and, it should be posted on a FAQ. Then, when some uninformed person top posts, a nicely worded response that bottom posting is recommended on LO mailing lists, and then provide a link to terms of usage that states this. The important item, however, is that these uninformed people be treated nicely and that their questions are answered. It is counter-productive to the project to provide a response to their question only to berate them without answering their question. - from twohot@device.mobile :) -Original Message- From: Mihamina Rakotomandimbymiham...@rktmb.org Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 16:10:50 To:users@global.libreoffice.org Reply-To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List Guidelines Page? On 09/08/2011 03:45 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: For long threads, scrolling down to the bottom to read the new stuff is a pain. Because your correspondants did not trim the message, as I just did for yours: I just select the line I want to answer and click on reply. It keeps (quotes) just the selected line. Your MUA does not? Use a clever one. Sheesh! Speaking of lazy; it takes exactly 2 keystrokes to from the top/bottom to the bottom/top of any post or e-mail. CTRL HomeOREnd does the job! You won't have any luck in changing the bottom-posting preferences as it's long established that the wishes of the masses will not change for the wishes of the minorities simply for the minor convenience you present. You have three volations in just this one post, in fact! HTH, Twayne` -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: odf purists mailing list request
On 10/09/2011, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: An odf-purists lists might be interesting though I am not sure how one discerns what it means to be odf-pure, as opposed to OpenOffice-pure. Maybe it is about OpenOffice purism, where use of the native ODF Open ... and Save As ... is handled. No opening by clicking on .doc/.docx files, etc. The definition of the recommended content for this list would be for users who are interested only in creating odf documents and investigating/discussing behaviour of LO to produce odf documents. As such, issues of compatibility with other formats, specifically m$, would be excluded, for continued discussion in the main users list. Not sure how you'd describe the list so fellow purists would know they were fellow purists. I shall watch with interest. After reading the web page 'get involved' I have subscribed to the mailing list 'web site', where I shall continue this discussion; feel free to read the archives and join if further interested. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 48 hours plus
On 2011-09-10, David H. Lipman wrote: From: Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl David H. Lipman wrote (10-09-11 16:21) How do you think this post was made ? Or the posts I made in JRE older installs - Windows - now online - no need for Oracle account ? Your posts to the users-list come in the moderation cue. Each of your posts ask help of the volunteers to get to the list. Maybe you would be so kind to make sure that you are subscribed to the list? If you want to send mails, without receiving, since you post via Gmane, you can subscribe with a mail to users+subscribe-nom...@libreoffice.org. A confirmation mail will be send to you (if you don't see it, check the spamm box) Reply to that mail (with the same mail address of course) I use; news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user It is NOT my fault that the Foundation's implementation of GMane is not working properly. Using Gmane for some groups generally implies 1. Registering with Gmane in that group (it automatically sends you a message if you never wrote to that group before) 2. Registering with the list itself It apparently is not the case with this list -- you can still post if you're not registered, but you get through moderation. But shorter posting delays and less work for the moderation team are just an e-mail away. The last post I made to; gmane.network.tor.user arrived in that news group within 15 minutes. That group is flagged as moderated, too. So maybe you were just lucky and the moderator happened to read your message just a few minutes after it was sent. I have no plans to join an email list. To use Gmane you already have to give your real e-mail, IIRC. So it's not much of a privacy issue. Please note that what Cor suggested was that you subscribe the *nomail* version of the list. You will not be receiving list e-mails, but you will be treated, from a moderation point of view, as a regular subscriber. -- Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
See the following proposal: http://www.mail-archive.com/website@global.libreoffice.org/msg05999.html -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 22:28, Anthony Papillion papill...@gmail.com wrote: I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is set up is to show clients how to save in Microsoft format as opposed to .odf. It's actually one of the first questions they ask. Lately, I've been wondering about the wisdom of an open source package actively supporting a secret format like the Office ones. Would it not be preferable to support *only* saving in the open document format and then providing a plugin for Microsoft Office users who needed it? IMHO, allowing users to save in secret formats just continues the problem. They're still using proprietary software, just packaged a different way. Thoughts? Which MS Office file format is secret? They are all published here: http://www.microsoft.com/interop/docs/officebinaryformats.mspx LibreOffice does not support them because there are not enough LO contributors, not because the formats are secret. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?
On 9/11/11 1:48 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: If you want bottom posting, and only bottom posting, then LO should make that as a clear decision and then that should be communicated when you sign up, and, it should be posted on a FAQ. Then, when some uninformed person top posts, a nicely worded response that bottom posting is recommended on LO mailing lists, and then provide a link to terms of usage that states this. The important item, however, is that these uninformed people be treated nicely and that their questions are answered. It is counter-productive to the project to provide a response to their question only to berate them without answering their question. Couldn't agree more. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 6.0.2 Thunderbird 6.0.2 LibreOffice 3.3.3 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Anyone else having trouble with the OOo templates site?
A couple months ago I tried downloading an extension, and it was already that way. It works, but only after some tries. So, no, it's not you, it's Oracle. Who, ironically advertise they have the best, scalable, stable servers... It's becoming increasingly obvious that Oracle is putting almost nothing into supporting OpenOffice and its associated technologies. I mean, really, it's not that hard to keep a web server running properly and since this problem seems to have been going on for months, they've certainly had time to fix it if they wanted. Sad to see the slow death happening. Really sad... Anthony -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
I agree, but is not supporting saving in secret formats really isolating them from the rest of the world? Especially if the other software can read the open format, wouldn't it be preferable to just tell them 'don't worry about it, you're compatible' and leave it at that? Besides, I'd think that creating a plugin that helps Microsoft Offices users read .odf files is a lot easier than constantly playing catchup with the secret Microsoft formats. Anthony Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? To: users@global.libreoffice.org From: twoho...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:45:02 + Makes sense but u need to be able to reach others. I think the edge is in supporting a broader range of options not just the vendors. Those moving to opensource solutions need an air of security that they are not isolated from the rest of the world - from twohot@device.mobile :) -Original Message- From: Anthony Papillion papill...@gmail.com Sender: anth...@cryptofreaks.tk Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:28:27 To: LibreOffice Mailing Listusers@global.libreoffice.org Reply-To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is set up is to show clients how to save in Microsoft format as opposed to .odf. It's actually one of the first questions they ask. Lately, I've been wondering about the wisdom of an open source package actively supporting a secret format like the Office ones. Would it not be preferable to support *only* saving in the open document format and then providing a plugin for Microsoft Office users who needed it? IMHO, allowing users to save in secret formats just continues the problem. They're still using proprietary software, just packaged a different way. Thoughts? Cheers, Anthony -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Anyone else having trouble with the OOo templates site?
Hi :) I think Apache might get it back under control and take an active interest in it so don't worry too much. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 10/9/11, Anthony Papillion anth...@cryptofreaks.tk wrote: From: Anthony Papillion anth...@cryptofreaks.tk Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Anyone else having trouble with the OOo templates site? To: LibreOffice Mailing List users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 10 September, 2011, 20:38 A couple months ago I tried downloading an extension, and it was already that way. It works, but only after some tries. So, no, it's not you, it's Oracle. Who, ironically advertise they have the best, scalable, stable servers... It's becoming increasingly obvious that Oracle is putting almost nothing into supporting OpenOffice and its associated technologies. I mean, really, it's not that hard to keep a web server running properly and since this problem seems to have been going on for months, they've certainly had time to fix it if they wanted. Sad to see the slow death happening. Really sad... Anthony -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Tools - options - General - Paths problem.
On 09/09/11 07:36, Tom wrote: Hi :) If you try re-naming your profile does that fix it? su mv /home/username/.libreoffice/3 /home/username/.libreoffice/2011-09-08 That neatly keeps all your old profile in a new folder given the reverse-date as a name. You can hopefully copy back some things from it to the new 3 that LibreOffice wil automatically generate when it finds there isn't one. Note that username needs to be replaced with your own user name. If you don't know it you can work it out from cd /home ls Regards from Tom :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Tools-options-General-Paths-problem-tp3309849p3320878.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. Tom, I'm really confused now. I have an old PC with Linux Mint installed so I downloaded Libreoffice 3.4 build 302 and to my surprise the Path problem has disappeared. It is still present in the notebook installation though. John. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] 72 hours plus
Its been 72 hours plus since I tried to post to; gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user And it STILL has not arrived !! /* WTF ! */ -- Dave Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Spreadsheet 'selection list'
Sir, I am trying to delete a load of items out of the spreadsheet selection list that I no longer use, but cannot find a way of doing it! I use Abuntu with Libreoffice 3 Thanking you in anticipation Best regards, JIM CROXALL jim.crox...@yahoo.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
yes;in an ideal world.but then in an ideal world proprietary software would not have existed On 11 September 2011 01:38, Anthony Papillion anth...@cryptofreaks.tkwrote: I agree, but is not supporting saving in secret formats really isolating them from the rest of the world? Especially if the other software can read the open format, wouldn't it be preferable to just tell them 'don't worry about it, you're compatible' and leave it at that? Besides, I'd think that creating a plugin that helps Microsoft Offices users read .odf files is a lot easier than constantly playing catchup with the secret Microsoft formats. Anthony Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? To: users@global.libreoffice.org From: twoho...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:45:02 + Makes sense but u need to be able to reach others. I think the edge is in supporting a broader range of options not just the vendors. Those moving to opensource solutions need an air of security that they are not isolated from the rest of the world - from twohot@device.mobile :) -Original Message- From: Anthony Papillion papill...@gmail.com Sender: anth...@cryptofreaks.tk Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:28:27 To: LibreOffice Mailing Listusers@global.libreoffice.org Reply-To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is set up is to show clients how to save in Microsoft format as opposed to .odf. It's actually one of the first questions they ask. Lately, I've been wondering about the wisdom of an open source package actively supporting a secret format like the Office ones. Would it not be preferable to support *only* saving in the open document format and then providing a plugin for Microsoft Office users who needed it? IMHO, allowing users to save in secret formats just continues the problem. They're still using proprietary software, just packaged a different way. Thoughts? Cheers, Anthony -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Dr soumalya ray http://drsoumalya.blogspot.com drsouma...@gmail.com MBBS,MD(PGT-C.Medicine),Ex-HousePhysician(Medicine) Skype: som3776 | Twitter: @docbkp http://twitter.com/docbkp -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Spreadsheet 'selection list'
select the cell-right click-press the delete option. if you want to delete a column,press the column header-right-click-delete same for row regards, On 11 September 2011 14:36, Jim Croxall jim.crox...@yahoo.com wrote: Sir, I am trying to delete a load of items out of the spreadsheet selection list that I no longer use, but cannot find a way of doing it! I use Abuntu with Libreoffice 3 Thanking you in anticipation Best regards, JIM CROXALL jim.crox...@yahoo.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Dr soumalya ray http://drsoumalya.blogspot.com drsouma...@gmail.com MBBS,MD(PGT-C.Medicine),Ex-HousePhysician(Medicine) Skype: som3776 | Twitter: @docbkp http://twitter.com/docbkp -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
The answer is obvious. Save in odf and get used to using odf. When there is a requirement to use an MS suffix,use Save As to do a copy in doc or docx, but keep your copy in odf. Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Should-LibreOffice-even-support-Microsoft-secret-formats-tp3325743p3326996.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
For me, the answer is NOT obvious, because of (a) the occasional incompatibilities and (b) the things that are easier in MS Office than LibreOffice. I've had problems with LibreOffice where I save something in *.doc format or *.ppt and reopen it, and it's different. Also, I've been using Open Office / LibreOffice regularly for 1.5 years now, and I still cannot find how to control bullets and numbering as easily as I could with MS Office. For any document I have to send to a collaborator who uses MS Office, I need to keep it primarily in the MS format to increase the chances that I will at least know what is being changed without warning! For example, in LibreOffice 3.4.3 Impress, create a dashed line and save it in MS PowerPoint 97 format. Close then reopen it. When I did that just now under Windows 7 x64, the line style was lost and it displayed solid. If I do NOT have to share it with an MS Office user, then I keep it in Open Office format. Otherwise, I must convert at some point to MS format, and I should do that regularly at least until I identify at least one incompatibility problem. Best Wishes, Spencer On 9/11/2011 7:54 AM, Tinkerer wrote: The answer is obvious. Save in odf and get used to using odf. When there is a requirement to use an MS suffix,use Save As to do a copy in doc or docx, but keep your copy in odf. Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Should-LibreOffice-even-support-Microsoft-secret-formats-tp3325743p3326996.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 09/10/2011 04:08 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: I agree, but is not supporting saving in secret formats really isolating them from the rest of the world? Especially if the other software can read the open format, wouldn't it be preferable to just tell them 'don't worry about it, you're compatible' and leave it at that? Besides, I'd think that creating a plugin that helps Microsoft Offices users read .odf files is a lot easier than constantly playing catchup with the secret Microsoft formats. When you have a deliverable in a MSO format, then you must deliver in an MSO format. This is often not negotiable. If I spend you a document and then tell you yeah, now here is a list of steps to download and install a plug-in that I sure hope works on your version of MSO and operating system, well, you just the non-technical people. I know people that still use Word Perfect, so then we would need an ODF reader for them as well. Even well established products have issues when they do not support legacy formats. As an example, look at Apple when they released their latest video editing software and did not support previous file formats. MSO even had issues when there was no support for the DOCX format between other versions. The only company that I have seen successfully do this is Photo Shop. I understand that if you have photo shop deliverables, then you really need to use exactly the same version as that used by the client. Pretty much everyone else that does this seems to have problems in the market. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
Spencer, Any chance you can create a few simple examples and open a bug against the simple examples? On 09/11/2011 11:31 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: For me, the answer is NOT obvious, because of (a) the occasional incompatibilities and (b) the things that are easier in MS Office than LibreOffice. I've had problems with LibreOffice where I save something in *.doc format or *.ppt and reopen it, and it's different. Also, I've been using Open Office / LibreOffice regularly for 1.5 years now, and I still cannot find how to control bullets and numbering as easily as I could with MS Office. For any document I have to send to a collaborator who uses MS Office, I need to keep it primarily in the MS format to increase the chances that I will at least know what is being changed without warning! For example, in LibreOffice 3.4.3 Impress, create a dashed line and save it in MS PowerPoint 97 format. Close then reopen it. When I did that just now under Windows 7 x64, the line style was lost and it displayed solid. If I do NOT have to share it with an MS Office user, then I keep it in Open Office format. Otherwise, I must convert at some point to MS format, and I should do that regularly at least until I identify at least one incompatibility problem. Best Wishes, Spencer -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 22:28, Anthony Papillion papill...@gmail.com wrote: I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is set up is to show clients how to save in Microsoft format as opposed to .odf. It's actually one of the first questions they ask. Lately, I've been wondering about the wisdom of an open source package actively supporting a secret format like the Office ones. Would it not be preferable to support *only* saving in the open document format and then providing a plugin for Microsoft Office users who needed it? IMHO, allowing users to save in secret formats just continues the problem. They're still using proprietary software, just packaged a different way. Thoughts? Cheers, Anthony Which MS Office file format is secret? They are all published here: http://www.microsoft.com/interop/docs/officebinaryformats.mspx LibreOffice does not support them because there are not enough LO contributors, not because the formats are secret. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
Hi, Andrew: Thanks for asking. Attached please find a single slide in LibreOffice Impress consisting of a single dashed line. When I saved it in MS Office 97 ppt format and reopened it in LibreOffice Impress 3.4.3, the dashes were converted visually to solid. When I checked the line style, it reported nothing (not solid, as it had when I drew it before I changed it). Other problems I've had were with previous versions, and I have not yet confirmed them in v. 3.4.3. I will do that. Spencer On 9/11/2011 9:19 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Spencer, Any chance you can create a few simple examples and open a bug against the simple examples? On 09/11/2011 11:31 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: For me, the answer is NOT obvious, because of (a) the occasional incompatibilities and (b) the things that are easier in MS Office than LibreOffice. I've had problems with LibreOffice where I save something in *.doc format or *.ppt and reopen it, and it's different. Also, I've been using Open Office / LibreOffice regularly for 1.5 years now, and I still cannot find how to control bullets and numbering as easily as I could with MS Office. For any document I have to send to a collaborator who uses MS Office, I need to keep it primarily in the MS format to increase the chances that I will at least know what is being changed without warning! For example, in LibreOffice 3.4.3 Impress, create a dashed line and save it in MS PowerPoint 97 format. Close then reopen it. When I did that just now under Windows 7 x64, the line style was lost and it displayed solid. If I do NOT have to share it with an MS Office user, then I keep it in Open Office format. Otherwise, I must convert at some point to MS format, and I should do that regularly at least until I identify at least one incompatibility problem. Best Wishes, Spencer -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San José, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
For example, in LibreOffice 3.4.3 Impress, create a dashed line and save it in MS PowerPoint 97 format. Close then reopen it. When I did that just now under Windows 7 x64, the line style was lost and it displayed solid. just checked it in both LO 3.3.4 and 3.4.3.'97 format (ie,ppt) showing the dashed line as dashed line when opened in LO.when the file is saved into .pptx,the dashed line is getting converted into a solid one. so,for me,'97 format is working properly. anybody else having difficulty with '97 format regards, On 11 September 2011 21:01, Spencer Graves spencer.gra...@prodsyse.comwrote: For me, the answer is NOT obvious, because of (a) the occasional incompatibilities and (b) the things that are easier in MS Office than LibreOffice. I've had problems with LibreOffice where I save something in *.doc format or *.ppt and reopen it, and it's different. Also, I've been using Open Office / LibreOffice regularly for 1.5 years now, and I still cannot find how to control bullets and numbering as easily as I could with MS Office. For any document I have to send to a collaborator who uses MS Office, I need to keep it primarily in the MS format to increase the chances that I will at least know what is being changed without warning! For example, in LibreOffice 3.4.3 Impress, create a dashed line and save it in MS PowerPoint 97 format. Close then reopen it. When I did that just now under Windows 7 x64, the line style was lost and it displayed solid. If I do NOT have to share it with an MS Office user, then I keep it in Open Office format. Otherwise, I must convert at some point to MS format, and I should do that regularly at least until I identify at least one incompatibility problem. Best Wishes, Spencer On 9/11/2011 7:54 AM, Tinkerer wrote: The answer is obvious. Save in odf and get used to using odf. When there is a requirement to use an MS suffix,use Save As to do a copy in doc or docx, but keep your copy in odf. Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.** documentfoundation.org/Should-**LibreOffice-even-support-** Microsoft-secret-formats-**tp3325743p3326996.htmlhttp://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Should-LibreOffice-even-support-Microsoft-secret-formats-tp3325743p3326996.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+help@global.libreoffice.** org users%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Dr soumalya ray http://drsoumalya.blogspot.com drsouma...@gmail.com MBBS,MD(PGT-C.Medicine),Ex-HousePhysician(Medicine) Skype: som3776 | Twitter: @docbkp http://twitter.com/docbkp -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 2011-09-11, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 09/10/2011 04:08 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: I agree, but is not supporting saving in secret formats really isolating them from the rest of the world? Especially if the other software can read the open format, wouldn't it be preferable to just tell them 'don't worry about it, you're compatible' and leave it at that? Besides, I'd think that creating a plugin that helps Microsoft Offices users read .odf files is a lot easier than constantly playing catchup with the secret Microsoft formats. When you have a deliverable in a MSO format, then you must deliver in an MSO format. This is often not negotiable. If I spend you a document and then tell you yeah, now here is a list of steps to download and install a plug-in that I sure hope works on your version of MSO and operating system, well, you just the non-technical people. That's more or less what happens (if the recipient is lucky) when someone sends an OOXML file to an MS Office 2000 user. The only company that I have seen successfully do this is Photo Shop. I understand that if you have photo shop deliverables, then you really need to use exactly the same version as that used by the client. Pretty much everyone else that does this seems to have problems in the market. I guess in the PSP case, their file format is not supposed to be used for deliverables and information interchange. But the issue with Microsoft, and that's why Tony is right when he says creating a plugin is easier, is that Microsoft changes formats as a market strategy. What changed is that in the recent years some governments finally understood you can't rely on closed formats, and as open standard became a buzzword, Microsoft built their own standard. This probably doesn't prevent Microsoft from designing a new, incompatible version of the standard for the next release of their office suite. Hence the catching up problem. -- Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
2011/9/11 Spencer Graves spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com: For me, the answer is NOT obvious, because of (a) the occasional incompatibilities and (b) the things that are easier in MS Office than LibreOffice. How is that not obvious? Just continue using MS Office, or did I miss something? Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 2011-09-11, Spencer Graves wrote: On 9/11/2011 9:19 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Any chance you can create a few simple examples and open a bug against the simple examples? Thanks for asking. Attached please find a single slide in LibreOffice Impress consisting of a single dashed line. [...] This list does not allow attachments, so your slide did not reach the list. Can you perhaps host it somewhere and send the URL to the list? -- Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 9/11/2011 10:00 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-09-11, Spencer Graves wrote: On 9/11/2011 9:19 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Any chance you can create a few simple examples and open a bug against the simple examples? Thanks for asking. Attached please find a single slide in LibreOffice Impress consisting of a single dashed line. [...] This list does not allow attachments, so your slide did not reach the list. Can you perhaps host it somewhere and send the URL to the list? Open a blank document in LibreOffice Impress, draw a line, and change the line style to dashed. Then save it as MS Office 97 *.ppt. Then close and reopen the *.ppt. For me, the dashes are converted to a solid line. When I checked the line style, it was blank, not solid like it appears nor dashed as I specified it. It's a minor pain for me to save it and send the URL; I hope this will be adequate. Thanks for your interest. Spencer -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: odf purists mailing list request
I think that is an excellent description. Since my reason for working with these formats is interoperability for and among everyone, I would not participate exclusively on such a list. It will be interesting to see what happens when folks who don't understand that come to the wrong place. Have fun! - Dennis -Original Message- From: e-letter [mailto:inp...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 01:39 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: odf purists mailing list request On 10/09/2011, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: An odf-purists lists might be interesting though I am not sure how one discerns what it means to be odf-pure, as opposed to OpenOffice-pure. Maybe it is about OpenOffice purism, where use of the native ODF Open ... and Save As ... is handled. No opening by clicking on .doc/.docx files, etc. The definition of the recommended content for this list would be for users who are interested only in creating odf documents and investigating/discussing behaviour of LO to produce odf documents. As such, issues of compatibility with other formats, specifically m$, would be excluded, for continued discussion in the main users list. Not sure how you'd describe the list so fellow purists would know they were fellow purists. I shall watch with interest. After reading the web page 'get involved' I have subscribed to the mailing list 'web site', where I shall continue this discussion; feel free to read the archives and join if further interested. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] annoying restore window
Hello, I know this is an old one, but I encounter it today and can't find the answer in the list that easily... please help me out! Where do I find the config file that I have to rename in order to get rid of a restore files window that won't go away. I'm on a Mac Lion 7.1 with LibO's newest version (I can't even check now which one, the restore window blocks all). The restore window offers two options: don't restore / restore, but none of these triggers any action. LibO hangs but pretends that it just is waiting for my choice restore/don't I have to force quit LibO and when I start up LibO again (even after a restart of the Mac) the same window reappears - alongside the bigger restore window with a choice of files that were open at the last session. So I guess I have to kill the config file, if only I remembered where it is... thanks for your help and attention -- Guy using LibO 3.4.2 on a iMac Intel DualCore Lion -- please reply only to users@global.libreoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
Spencer The early version of MSO for the Mac left a lot to be desired, so I tried OOo. That was about six years ago. I very quickly graduated onto NeoOffice, a great improvement, then when the Doc F was founded I moved to LO. I am treasurer of a society and whilst I am knowledgeable of the members requirements, the officers of other societies are often an unknown quantity. Libre 3.4.3 fulfils all my requirements, mainly with writer, calc and the occasional presentation. It has never let me down and I have received no complaints. I keep everything I do in Libre format. What I receive I keep in the format it arrived in and as I said, I am happy to supply to others in whatever format they prefer. If you find MSO easier then that is your privilege. I haven't touched MSO on a PC since I retired eighteen years ago, so I don't have your experience. Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Should-LibreOffice-even-support-Microsoft-secret-formats-tp3325743p3327274.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Read Error for Graphics
On 10/09/11 04:49, Tod Hopkins wrote: Problem with Writer (v3.3.2) document including graphic images. After opening, and displaying the image correctly, at some point during editing all images are replaced with Read Error and a broken link icon. Undo does not restore. Closing and reopening does not restore. Must revert to earlier version. Have not been able to associate with any particular document change and it does not always happen. Has happened on several distinct documents. Does not happen in NeoOffice 3.2. Contributing factor may be that the original document is being accessed by Mac OS via SMB from linux based server. Cheers, Tod Hopkins Hillmann Carr Inc. todhopk...@hillmanncarr.com Hi. I have had this frequently. I have disabled the autosave functionality as it usually happened after an autosave. It also happens between versions of LO/OO and most frequently with EPS images. I find as soon as you open the document and all images are showing, save it with a save as and from then it seems ok. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 9/11/2011 10:37 AM, Tinkerer wrote: Spencer The early version of MSO for the Mac left a lot to be desired, so I tried OOo. Fifteen years ago, I had compatibility problems with MS Word on PCs and on Macs: Microsoft was not even compatible with itself across platforms. That was a problem, because my primary collaborator at that time loved Mac equipment. He was in a university environment, and it was substantially more expensive for me to pay for that, so I stayed with PC compatibles and suffered the compatibility problems. That was about six years ago. I very quickly graduated onto NeoOffice, a great improvement, then when the Doc F was founded I moved to LO. I am treasurer of a society and whilst I am knowledgeable of the members requirements, the officers of other societies are often an unknown quantity. Libre 3.4.3 fulfils all my requirements, mainly with writer, calc and the occasional presentation. It has never let me down and I have received no complaints. I keep everything I do in Libre format. What I receive I keep in the format it arrived in and as I said, I am happy to supply to others in whatever format they prefer. If you find MSO easier then that is your privilege. I haven't touched MSO on a PC since I retired eighteen years ago, so I don't have your experience. MSO 97 is easier for me, but I don't have it, because it's no longer available. Rather pay for having to relearn where MS has hidden all the controls with the new version, I can to Open Office and then LibreOffice. Spencer Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Should-LibreOffice-even-support-Microsoft-secret-formats-tp3325743p3327274.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San José, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] annoying restore window
Hi :) We keep losing track of the path on Macs as so few people ask. This guide migth help http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426 Ahh, apparently it's /Users/user name/Library/Application Support/LibreOffice/3/user You might find it is a little different on your system but it's close. I would re-name the 3 folder. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Guy Voets nimant...@gmail.com wrote: From: Guy Voets nimant...@gmail.com Subject: [libreoffice-users] annoying restore window To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 18:29 Hello, I know this is an old one, but I encounter it today and can't find the answer in the list that easily... please help me out! Where do I find the config file that I have to rename in order to get rid of a restore files window that won't go away. I'm on a Mac Lion 7.1 with LibO's newest version (I can't even check now which one, the restore window blocks all). The restore window offers two options: don't restore / restore, but none of these triggers any action. LibO hangs but pretends that it just is waiting for my choice restore/don't I have to force quit LibO and when I start up LibO again (even after a restart of the Mac) the same window reappears - alongside the bigger restore window with a choice of files that were open at the last session. So I guess I have to kill the config file, if only I remembered where it is... thanks for your help and attention -- Guy using LibO 3.4.2 on a iMac Intel DualCore Lion -- please reply only to users@global.libreoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: annoying restore window
Guy Go to Preferences Paths Backups. I am not sure of this, but I think, that if you remove the backup files Libre will create a new Untitled1 file. Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/annoying-restore-window-tp3327252p3327299.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
Hi I agree with you Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El sáb, 10-09-2011 a las 15:08 -0500, Anthony Papillion escribió: I agree, but is not supporting saving in secret formats really isolating them from the rest of the world? Especially if the other software can read the open format, wouldn't it be preferable to just tell them 'don't worry about it, you're compatible' and leave it at that? Besides, I'd think that creating a plugin that helps Microsoft Offices users read .odf files is a lot easier than constantly playing catchup with the secret Microsoft formats. Anthony Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? To: users@global.libreoffice.org From: twoho...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:45:02 + Makes sense but u need to be able to reach others. I think the edge is in supporting a broader range of options not just the vendors. Those moving to opensource solutions need an air of security that they are not isolated from the rest of the world - from twohot@device.mobile :) -Original Message- From: Anthony Papillion papill...@gmail.com Sender: anth...@cryptofreaks.tk Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:28:27 To: LibreOffice Mailing Listusers@global.libreoffice.org Reply-To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is set up is to show clients how to save in Microsoft format as opposed to .odf. It's actually one of the first questions they ask. Lately, I've been wondering about the wisdom of an open source package actively supporting a secret format like the Office ones. Would it not be preferable to support *only* saving in the open document format and then providing a plugin for Microsoft Office users who needed it? IMHO, allowing users to save in secret formats just continues the problem. They're still using proprietary software, just packaged a different way. Thoughts? Cheers, Anthony -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Atentamente, Jorge Rodríguez -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Spreadsheet 'selection list'
At 02:06 11/09/2011 -0700, Jim Croxall wrote: I am trying to delete a load of items out of the spreadsheet selection list that I no longer use, but cannot find a way of doing it! There are two sorts of selection list, I think. o The first sort appears in response to right-click | Selection List... (or Ctrl+D). This list assembles itself automatically from all text entries found in the current column. I don't see any way to remove items from this list apart from the obvious one of deleting the text items where they do appear elsewhere in the same column. o The second sort is created manually, and this must be what you mean. Select the region you want to change. Go to Data | Validity... | Criteria. For Allow you will see List and against Entries the list of items that are valid for this region. You can edit that list as desired. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: annoying restore window
Hi :) Ok, so that might be /Users/user name/Library/Application Support/LibreOffice/3/user/backups and just re-naming the backups folder might be sufficient to hide it and generate a new one. A bit more finesse than re-naming the entire config folder! Regards from Tom :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/annoying-restore-window-tp3327252p3327321.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] annoying restore window
Hi Tom, Strangely enough 1: there is no LibO directory in my Library/Application Support/ Strangely enough 2: there is no Libray in my Users/username/ so where may the config file be? Hi Tink, The restore window blocks access to my Prefs, so I can't lok up the path to backups there but I'm sure I didn't change it from the default location... what is the default location of these files? thanks already, Guy latest LibO on MacBookPro/iMac with Lion 7.1 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) We keep losing track of the path on Macs as so few people ask. This guide migth help http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426 Ahh, apparently it's /Users/user name/Library/Application Support/LibreOffice/3/user You might find it is a little different on your system but it's close. I would re-name the 3 folder. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Guy Voets nimant...@gmail.com wrote: From: Guy Voets nimant...@gmail.com Subject: [libreoffice-users] annoying restore window To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 18:29 Hello, I know this is an old one, but I encounter it today and can't find the answer in the list that easily... please help me out! Where do I find the config file that I have to rename in order to get rid of a restore files window that won't go away. I'm on a Mac Lion 7.1 with LibO's newest version (I can't even check now which one, the restore window blocks all). The restore window offers two options: don't restore / restore, but none of these triggers any action. LibO hangs but pretends that it just is waiting for my choice restore/don't I have to force quit LibO and when I start up LibO again (even after a restart of the Mac) the same window reappears - alongside the bigger restore window with a choice of files that were open at the last session. So I guess I have to kill the config file, if only I remembered where it is... thanks for your help and attention -- Guy using LibO 3.4.2 on a iMac Intel DualCore Lion -- please reply only to users@global.libreoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Guy using LibO 3.4.2 on a iMac Intel DualCore Lion -- please reply only to users@global.libreoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
Another example: 1. Download http://www.cagreens.org/sclara/resources/flyers/noCreditCd-bookmark20110306.odt;. 2. Open in LibreOffice 3.4.3. Save as MS Word 97 *.doc format. 3. Close, then reopen the *.doc version: When I did this now under Windows 7, this changed the widths of the columns had changed and with it the column breaks, etc. I checked Format - Page - Columns: *.odt showed from Autowidth with columns = 1.42, space = 0.70; *.doc had columns = 2.13, space = 0.70. The numbers do not make sense to me, but the visual change is clear. I noticed this problem with an earlier version of LibreOffice 3.4 and I think also with Open Office 3.3. Enjoy (if that's the right word). Spencer # On 9/11/2011 10:37 AM, Tinkerer wrote: Spencer The early version of MSO for the Mac left a lot to be desired, so I tried OOo. Fifteen years ago, I had compatibility problems with MS Word on PCs and on Macs: Microsoft was not even compatible with itself across platforms. That was a problem, because my primary collaborator at that time loved Mac equipment. He was in a university environment, and it was substantially more expensive for me to pay for that, so I stayed with PC compatibles and suffered the compatibility problems. That was about six years ago. I very quickly graduated onto NeoOffice, a great improvement, then when the Doc F was founded I moved to LO. I am treasurer of a society and whilst I am knowledgeable of the members requirements, the officers of other societies are often an unknown quantity. Libre 3.4.3 fulfils all my requirements, mainly with writer, calc and the occasional presentation. It has never let me down and I have received no complaints. I keep everything I do in Libre format. What I receive I keep in the format it arrived in and as I said, I am happy to supply to others in whatever format they prefer. If you find MSO easier then that is your privilege. I haven't touched MSO on a PC since I retired eighteen years ago, so I don't have your experience. MSO 97 is easier for me, but I don't have it, because it's no longer available. Rather pay for having to relearn where MS has hidden all the controls with the new version, I can to Open Office and then LibreOffice. Spencer Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Should-LibreOffice-even-support-Microsoft-secret-formats-tp3325743p3327274.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: annoying restore window
Hi :) Perhaps your file-browser is set to hide hidden folders? Is there a View menu or a settings or config thign where you can set it to Show hidden folders? Regards from Tom :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/annoying-restore-window-tp3327252p3327335.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 9/11/2011 9:54 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-09-11, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 09/10/2011 04:08 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: snip Microsoft changes formats as a market strategy. As explained by Carl Shapiro and Hal Varian (1998) Information rules: a strategic guide to the network economy (Harvard U. Pr.). A second subtitle for this book is, How to wage and win a standards war. Microsoft has won for now. The Document Foundation needs to continue trying to make LibreOffice as easy as possible for people to support. Gradually, more people are coming to understand the value of Free Open-Source Software (FOSS). MSFT peaked at just under $60 per share on Dec. 31, 1999, and has been between 15 and 40 for the past decade. Companies like Google now pay people full time to support FOSS, and I expect that some governments will soon also pay people to support FOSS if they don't already. The future belongs to LibreOffice, MySQL, Linux, R, etc.: We just need to continue to deal with the world as it is, and the trend to FOSS will continue. Best Wishes, Spencer -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: annoying restore window
I can see other maps in the application support. Maybe the best will be to throw out LibO and install anew. Guy 2011/9/11 Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) Perhaps your file-browser is set to hide hidden folders? Is there a View menu or a settings or config thign where you can set it to Show hidden folders? Regards from Tom :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/annoying-restore-window-tp3327252p3327335.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Guy using LibO 3.4.2 on a iMac Intel DualCore Lion -- please reply only to users@global.libreoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Font Substitution
Thanks for the image and explanation. Since I no longer have a missing font document, I was not sure if that dialog would offer any help. On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:16 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-09-09, Tod Hopkins wrote: On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:08 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: On 09/09/2011 01:28 PM, Cor Nouws wrote: Tod Hopkins wrote (09-09-11 18:50) What is the quickest way to determine if fonts are being substituted by Writer and what those substitutions are? Isn't that indicated in the window Paragraph style, at the tab Font, in the lower half? (Have no example at hand, as far as I know). The Font Replacement Table is show by ToolsOptionsLibreOfficeFonts Thank you. That will be useful. I currently have no mappings. I'm still trying to figure out if LibreOffice will show me if a font is missing. As far as I can tell, it shows the font that is set for that text, even if it is not on the system. The only way to tell that what is on screen in substituted is to determine that you don't actually have that font. I would really like if LibreOffice would alert me if a document references a font that is not available. Well, it does not alert you with a sudden, loud warning sound and red lights, but it lets you see if a certain font is actually available or not. At least in the Character properties (right click, Character...), Font tab. Here Paragraph... has no such tab, but if it shows one, it's probably just like the one from Character If the font in use is installed and can be used for printing, you will see The same font will be used on both your printer and your screen. (screenshot: http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/483/chardlgok.png) Otherwise, it will say This font has not been installed. The closest available font will be used. (screenshot: http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6444/chardlg.png) And I guess for some fonts there will be a message saying these will look different on your printer, but I don't have any of these installed. -- Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Tod Hopkins Hillmann Carr Inc. todhopk...@hillmanncarr.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
This is a general replay to Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? illustrating my personal situation, and why my answer is *yes*. I moved from Microsoft Office Professional to Word Perfect Office Professional probably 12 to 13 years ago. The reason for the professional versions is that I needed a database as well as an office suite. When Open Office first came out, I moved to it, starting with version .9 something. I needed to keep Paradox as my database at that time. Once Base became available with Open Office, I was able to move to Base and drop proprietary software for an office suite completely. Once I had everything in Open Office, I had one major step forward for someday moving to Linux instead of Windows. I made that transition 2 1/2 years ago. I get many attachments from co-workers and other organizations that are sent in Microsoft format. Most of these documents are relatively simple. I've not had anyone send me anything in docx format I couldn't read. Generally I will need to adjust margins, or something like that. I'm 97% Windows free. I only use it for video editing and for a forms program which will not work with Wine in Linux. Most of the people who send me these attachments are using what they are required to use, which is Microsoft. If I could not be somewhat compatible with them, Open Office or LibreOffice now, would be of no value to me at all. If we could get back to the big push of several years for governments to adopt odf standards for all of their documents, we would all be a lot better off. But that push would never work if there wasn't some backward compatibility for the former Microsoft users to be able to open previous documents. Don -- *** * -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Read Error for Graphics
On 09/11/2011 10:46 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote: On 10/09/11 04:49, Tod Hopkins wrote: Problem with Writer (v3.3.2) document including graphic images. After opening, and displaying the image correctly, at some point during editing all images are replaced with Read Error and a broken link icon. Undo does not restore. Closing and reopening does not restore. Must revert to earlier version. Have not been able to associate with any particular document change and it does not always happen. Has happened on several distinct documents. Does not happen in NeoOffice 3.2. Contributing factor may be that the original document is being accessed by Mac OS via SMB from linux based server. ... Hi. I have had this frequently. I have disabled the autosave functionality as it usually happened after an autosave. It also happens between versions of LO/OO and most frequently with EPS images. I find as soon as you open the document and all images are showing, save it with a save as and from then it seems ok. Perhaps it's this bug? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33393 [After autosave image shows read-error and will be lost on save] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
I'm still bemused by the persistence of the secret Microsoft formats meme. As a matter of fact, which formats that matter for OpenOffice are believed to be secret? I can't find any that OpenOffice converts that are not public and licensed under the Open Specification Promise as well. That may not be enough assurance for some folks, but it is definitely not because they are secret. - Dennis PS: The only three formats that I encounter and that would be good to know are (1) Microsoft Money - since it has been abandoned, (2) Windows Live Writer drafts format, and (3) OneNote format. These might not be secret, but I haven't found where they are documented. Somehow, I don't think those are the ones that are meant. -Original Message- From: jorge [mailto:jrodrigue...@cpcecr.com] Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:55 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? Hi I agree with you Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El sáb, 10-09-2011 a las 15:08 -0500, Anthony Papillion escribió: I agree, but is not supporting saving in secret formats really isolating them from the rest of the world? Especially if the other software can read the open format, wouldn't it be preferable to just tell them 'don't worry about it, you're compatible' and leave it at that? Besides, I'd think that creating a plugin that helps Microsoft Offices users read .odf files is a lot easier than constantly playing catchup with the secret Microsoft formats. Anthony Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? To: users@global.libreoffice.org From: twoho...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:45:02 + Makes sense but u need to be able to reach others. I think the edge is in supporting a broader range of options not just the vendors. Those moving to opensource solutions need an air of security that they are not isolated from the rest of the world - from twohot@device.mobile :) -Original Message- From: Anthony Papillion papill...@gmail.com Sender: anth...@cryptofreaks.tk Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 14:28:27 To: LibreOffice Mailing Listusers@global.libreoffice.org Reply-To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is set up is to show clients how to save in Microsoft format as opposed to .odf. It's actually one of the first questions they ask. Lately, I've been wondering about the wisdom of an open source package actively supporting a secret format like the Office ones. Would it not be preferable to support *only* saving in the open document format and then providing a plugin for Microsoft Office users who needed it? IMHO, allowing users to save in secret formats just continues the problem. They're still using proprietary software, just packaged a different way. Thoughts? Cheers, Anthony -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Atentamente, Jorge Rodríguez -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
Spencer That is odd. According to the Format/Page the column widths have not been altered. On the page, they have. Re. Your comments as to the future of LO and all FOSS. Count me in. Tink. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Should-LibreOffice-even-support-Microsoft-secret-formats-tp3325743p3327423.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 09/11/2011 11:47 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I'm still bemused by the persistence of the secret Microsoft formats meme. As a matter of fact, which formats that matter for OpenOffice are believed to be secret? I can't find any that OpenOffice converts that are not public and licensed under the Open Specification Promise as well. That may not be enough assurance for some folks, but it is definitely not because they are secret. - Dennis PS: The only three formats that I encounter and that would be good to know are (1) Microsoft Money - since it has been abandoned, (2) Windows Live Writer drafts format, and (3) OneNote format. These might not be secret, but I haven't found where they are documented. Somehow, I don't think those are the ones that are meant. ... http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg134032.aspx OneNote: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd924743%28v=office.12%29.aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd951288%28v=office.12%29.aspx -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: annoying restore window
Hello, Looked at the bug report. This is really what's happening on my MBP, but fortunately not on my iMac till now (both with Lion 7.1 and LibO 3.4.2 (probably)). I tried the solution via Terminal and it seems to work. Thanks NoOp for pointing in out - and for iago to provide the command. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39007 The eternal restore window has now gone... but I think it is an important bug, as others in the bug report said, and should be addressed if LibO wants to keep simple Mac users on board! Thanks. 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) Yes, maybe - but i would have a look at the link given by NoOp. Regards from Tom :) -- Guy using LibO 3.4.2 on a iMac Intel DualCore Lion -- please reply only to users@global.libreoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 11/09/2011, Spencer Graves spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com wrote: LibreOffice. I've had problems with LibreOffice where I save something in *.doc format or *.ppt and reopen it, and it's different. This is the fundamental essence of the problem. The majority of m$ users of LO want a free m$ clone, ideally producing m$ file formats. A more interesting question to the _long term_ development of the odf is, did you experience problems saving to native odf? could with MS Office. For any document I have to send to a collaborator who uses MS Office, I need to keep it primarily in the MS format to increase the chances that I will at least know what is being changed without warning! It is difficult to believe that as a profitable business, you are unable to buy m$o. In effect, m$ users are asking LO programmers to donate their _free_ time to subsidise your collective unwillingness to buy m$o! It is hoped that all those m$ users seeking an m$ clone, should donate at least equivalent to Euro5 per m$ format technical support question to LO. For example, in LibreOffice 3.4.3 Impress, create a dashed line and save it in MS PowerPoint 97 format. Close then reopen it. When I did that just now under Windows 7 x64, the line style was lost and it displayed solid. If I do NOT have to share it with an MS Office user, then I keep it in Open Office format. Otherwise, I must convert at some Does the dashed line remain so in native odf? If so, LO is working fine. If you want m$ perfection, buy m$o or donate an equivalent value to LO for m$ clone development. Presumably for m$ users, the _freely donated_ time spent on m$ compatibility should be at the expense of time available to develop a superior _true alternative_ to m$, in which case requests for monetary donations are entirely justified. Strategic development of odf is a long term goal, my guess is at least 20 years to become significant in quantity. For every extra m$ file format created by LO and distributed as so (and thus by definition every less potential odf file), the time to increase the quantity of odf documents in existence is lengthened. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 11/09/2011, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: When you have a deliverable in a MSO format, then you must deliver in an MSO format. This is often not negotiable. Surely this is accounted for in the costs of you conducting such business (i.e. buying a legal copy of each m$ product). -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 11/09/2011, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Which MS Office file format is secret? They are all published here: http://www.microsoft.com/interop/docs/officebinaryformats.mspx The original poster chose the wrong word; replace secret with proprietary -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] LO3.4.3 -- no browser plugin available
I recently installed LibreOffice v3.4.3. I am running Linux (Mandriva 2010.2), and FF 6.02. My system is x86_64 as is the LO version. FF is i586 and installed in my /opt directory. LO when I open it and open the 'Options' has no browser choice available under Internet choice on the left of the Options dialog. I believe libnpsoplugin.so is the plugin and I tried copying it to the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugin directory but it did nothing. Has the plugin been deprecated in 3.4.3? Thanks for your help. Leon -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO3-4-3-no-browser-plugin-available-tp3327446p3327446.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 09/11/2011 03:05 PM, NoOp wrote: As a matter of fact, which formats that matter for OpenOffice are believed to be secret? I can't find any that OpenOffice converts that are not public and licensed under the Open Specification Promise as well. That may not be enough assurance for some folks, but it is definitely not because they are secret. My assumption was that the word secret was used where it should have been propriety. But certainly Microsoft wants to prevent as much compatibility as possible. Don -- *** * -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: annoying restore window
Hi :) Congrats :) Glad to hear you have sorted it :) We need more devs but i think they are getting through the list as it is. It's just a case of getting lucky and finding someone that is interested in fixing the problem and can learn to code. The Easy Hacks is a good way to learn or to learn the LibreOffice way of doing things. Congrats and regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Guy Voets nimant...@gmail.com wrote: From: Guy Voets nimant...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: annoying restore window To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 20:24 Hello, Looked at the bug report. This is really what's happening on my MBP, but fortunately not on my iMac till now (both with Lion 7.1 and LibO 3.4.2 (probably)). I tried the solution via Terminal and it seems to work. Thanks NoOp for pointing in out - and for iago to provide the command. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39007 The eternal restore window has now gone... but I think it is an important bug, as others in the bug report said, and should be addressed if LibO wants to keep simple Mac users on board! Thanks. 2011/9/11 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi :) Yes, maybe - but i would have a look at the link given by NoOp. Regards from Tom :) -- Guy using LibO 3.4.2 on a iMac Intel DualCore Lion -- please reply only to users@global.libreoffice.org -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?)
I've changed the subject because it appears there is an issue which is entirely one about LibreOffice. Spencer, can you provide a small sample of the following: 1. An .ODP of the document that shows the line formats you are concerned with. 2. The .PPT that you get when you save in that format. 3. The .ODP of the document that you see when opening the .PPT in LibreOffice. You can send those to me directly as attachments in an e-mail, or put them on a global file-sharing location (even Windows Live SkyDrive will work) and let us know where they are. Then the exact point where there is information loss/modification can be pinpointed better and a bug report created if called for (and if there isn't one already). While others of us can doubtless reproduce this on our own, it is helpful to have something that demonstrates the problem exactly as it occurs for you. - Dennis PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS In the described scenario, it appears that at no time did a Microsoft application touch the document. It was saved from LO and then re-opened in LO. Apparently, either the save process or the input process (or both) failed to preserve toe dashed line. If the dashed line is not supported by the .PPT 97-2000 Microsoft Format, that would be a problem. I see no indication that this is the case in Graves' report. The problem appears to be one of fidelity between the LO output converter and the LO input converter for .ppt format. Generally, one does not think too much of converters that can't get that much right. Without discussing whether there should be such conversions available in the first place, the situation this user is confronted with is (1) the conversion is offered, and (2) the conversion fails in a situation that is important to the particular user. This situation might be better served by a bug report. PS: I must point out that the primary marketing thrust of OpenOffice.org was and is that it offers (unqualified) support for key Microsoft Office formats, it is free, and it runs on more than Windows. I don't know how LibreOffice is positioned, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if support for Microsoft Office formats were to be removed from all promotional statements concerning LibreOffice. -Original Message- From: e-letter [mailto:inp...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:47 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? On 11/09/2011, Spencer Graves spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com wrote: LibreOffice. I've had problems with LibreOffice where I save something in *.doc format or *.ppt and reopen it, and it's different. [ ... ] For example, in LibreOffice 3.4.3 Impress, create a dashed line and save it in MS PowerPoint 97 format. Close then reopen it. When I did that just now under Windows 7 x64, the line style was lost and it displayed solid. If I do NOT have to share it with an MS Office user, then I keep it in Open Office format. Otherwise, I must convert at some [ ... ] -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:05:01 -0400 From: donmy...@myersfarm.com My assumption was that the word secret was used where it should have been propriety. But certainly Microsoft wants to prevent as much compatibility as possible. Perhaps I did use 'secret' when I should have used 'proprietary' instead. However, I still have to question how Microsoft can 'prevent compatibility' if the file LibreOffice produces is an exact copy of what Microsoft Office produces or if the files MSO produces are all in a well documented format, why LibO still has problems handling complex files. It certainly can't be a programming issue since having the documentation of the filetype makes reading and writing them a snap. So why do we still have problems with MSO files? Anthony -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
Hi :) MS don't implement their standard in the way that they wrote they would. Having set a standard anyone that follows that standard is guaranteed to produce things that are a little wonky when opened in MS Office. LO devs work at getting LO's implementation as wonky as MS's but the wonkiness is the unknown factor. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Anthony Papillion anth...@cryptofreaks.tk wrote: From: Anthony Papillion anth...@cryptofreaks.tk Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? To: LibreOffice Mailing List users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 21:15 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:05:01 -0400 From: donmy...@myersfarm.com My assumption was that the word secret was used where it should have been propriety. But certainly Microsoft wants to prevent as much compatibility as possible. Perhaps I did use 'secret' when I should have used 'proprietary' instead. However, I still have to question how Microsoft can 'prevent compatibility' if the file LibreOffice produces is an exact copy of what Microsoft Office produces or if the files MSO produces are all in a well documented format, why LibO still has problems handling complex files. It certainly can't be a programming issue since having the documentation of the filetype makes reading and writing them a snap. So why do we still have problems with MSO files? Anthony -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Read Error for Graphics
Hi :) The graphics have just wandered off somewhere off the edge of the page or stacked under other graphics. It is annoying. If you open the ODF file by changing it's ending to .zip or just open with an archive-manager instead of LibreOffice then you will see the graphics are stored in there in whichever format they were in. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Tod Hopkins hopl...@hillmanncarr.com wrote: From: Tod Hopkins hopl...@hillmanncarr.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Read Error for Graphics To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 19:32 I'm seeing this with ODT's coming from NeoOffice, recent version. I know the originator of the docs was not seeing this, but on Friday it happened to him. I did not verify if he was using NeoOffice or LibreOffice at the time (we both have both). There may have been an intermediate doc format in the past. I believe the docs started in Indesign. The graphic formats vary. Probably mostly JPEG, possibly fairly large. When this happens ALL graphics vanish, not just some. It can happen on open, after auto-save, after Save As, and I think just spontaneously. I have not found any recovery other than reversion. Undo has no effect. It can happen or not with the same doc. I know this from losing work, going back to the original, and then successfully getting through the same work. Are graphics embedded by default? They appear to be. Cheers, tod On Sep 11, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: On 10/09/11 04:49, Tod Hopkins wrote: Problem with Writer (v3.3.2) document including graphic images. After opening, and displaying the image correctly, at some point during editing all images are replaced with Read Error and a broken link icon. Undo does not restore. Closing and reopening does not restore. Must revert to earlier version. Have not been able to associate with any particular document change and it does not always happen. Has happened on several distinct documents. Does not happen in NeoOffice 3.2. Contributing factor may be that the original document is being accessed by Mac OS via SMB from linux based server. Cheers, Tod Hopkins Hillmann Carr Inc. todhopk...@hillmanncarr.com Hi. I have had this frequently. I have disabled the autosave functionality as it usually happened after an autosave. It also happens between versions of LO/OO and most frequently with EPS images. I find as soon as you open the document and all images are showing, save it with a save as and from then it seems ok. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Tod Hopkins Hillmann Carr Inc. todhopk...@hillmanncarr.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:33:09 +0100 From: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) MS don't implement their standard in the way that they wrote they would. Having set a standard anyone that follows that standard is guaranteed to produce things that are a little wonky when opened in MS Office. LO devs work at getting LO's implementation as wonky as MS's but the wonkiness is the unknown factor. Hi Tom, Ok, I can accept that. But then, aren't we back to a 'secret format'? If I implement a standard to write out a file a certain way and do it in another way that isn't documented then I'm not following the standard and, thus, my filetype is secret. The only way it's *not* secret is if they file is written to the standard without any deviations. At first, I thought 'ok, so this means MS has published a standard that other vendors can write to and MS will has implemented that standard (in addition to their secret one) so that MSO can always properly read other vendor created MSO files. But that's not the case. There are times, it seems, when LibO files are improperly rendered in MSO. So, apparently, the 'standard' really doesn't mean anything because that's not really what Microsoft is doing. Anthony -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 2011-09-11, Anthony Papillion wrote: From: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk MS don't implement their standard in the way that they wrote they would. Having set a standard anyone that follows that standard is guaranteed to produce things that are a little wonky when opened in MS Office. LO devs work at getting LO's implementation as wonky as MS's but the wonkiness is the unknown factor. Ok, I can accept that. But then, aren't we back to a 'secret format'? If I implement a standard to write out a file a certain way and do it in another way that isn't documented then I'm not following the standard and, thus, my filetype is secret. The only way it's *not* secret is if they file is written to the standard without any deviations. At first, I thought 'ok, so this means MS has published a standard that other vendors can write to and MS will has implemented that standard (in addition to their secret one) so that MSO can always properly read other vendor created MSO files. But that's not the case. There are times, it seems, when LibO files are improperly rendered in MSO. So, apparently, the 'standard' really doesn't mean anything because that's not really what Microsoft is doing. Yes, that's the issue. I don't know about the binary formats, but I've read that Microsoft does not actually *follow* OOXML. (This, if true, means, ironically, that there is no program with complete, 100%, OOXML support.) Maybe it was just a hoax, but I doubt it. After all, it's Microsoft. With Microsoft stardards, either someone steps forward and spends their time working out how to convert between MS formats and ODF, which will take a *lot* of time (and will not address the implementation deviations), or people flag issues and devs will address compatibility issue by issue. So, people with compatiblity issues, please report these issues. -- Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
Hi :) Yes, but it's very rare for a program to be 100% perfect. Thigns tend to be reasonably close but just not close enough sometimes. Of course with proprietary stuff it is usually difficult to get any bugs fixed but with OpenSource it's possible for 'anyone' to fix a bug. There are a lot of bug-reports about specific problems with MS formats and the list is getting worked through. Usually the older formats (without the X at the end, eg doc rather than docx) work better because there has been longer to fix the bugs. LibreOffice doesn't completely conform to ODF standards either but it is trying to get closer. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Anthony Papillion anth...@cryptofreaks.tk wrote: From: Anthony Papillion anth...@cryptofreaks.tk Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? To: LibreOffice Mailing List users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 21:41 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:33:09 +0100 From: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) MS don't implement their standard in the way that they wrote they would. Having set a standard anyone that follows that standard is guaranteed to produce things that are a little wonky when opened in MS Office. LO devs work at getting LO's implementation as wonky as MS's but the wonkiness is the unknown factor. Hi Tom, Ok, I can accept that. But then, aren't we back to a 'secret format'? If I implement a standard to write out a file a certain way and do it in another way that isn't documented then I'm not following the standard and, thus, my filetype is secret. The only way it's *not* secret is if they file is written to the standard without any deviations. At first, I thought 'ok, so this means MS has published a standard that other vendors can write to and MS will has implemented that standard (in addition to their secret one) so that MSO can always properly read other vendor created MSO files. But that's not the case. There are times, it seems, when LibO files are improperly rendered in MSO. So, apparently, the 'standard' really doesn't mean anything because that's not really what Microsoft is doing. Anthony -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Help w Spreadsheet function?
Hi all. I want to make a spreadsheet that has a cell that has a little pulldown list arrow on the side of the cell, so that when you click the arrow, you see a list of things you can choose that populates the cell. I'm not a strong spreadsheet user, so when I'm looking at the help file I'm not sure what all the references are to this form and that data filter, etc. It's all very confusing when you don't really know what they are referencing. I've been poking around using this example I have for instance of a checkbook regsiter type of spreadsheet. There is one page of the spreadsheet for catagories for instance which is just a list of catagories like Food, Clothing, etc. Then on the MAIN spreadsheet page in the cell you just click the button and pick the catagory. But I don't see any formulas that I can copy that make this happen in the one I'm trying to build. Anyone care to teach? Thanks! Steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 09/11/2011 11:06 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: Another example: 1. Download http://www.cagreens.org/sclara/resources/flyers/noCreditCd-bookmark20110306.odt;. 2. Open in LibreOffice 3.4.3. Save as MS Word 97 *.doc format. 3. Close, then reopen the *.doc version: When I did this now under Windows 7, this changed the widths of the columns had changed and with it the column breaks, etc. I checked Format - Page - Columns: *.odt showed from Autowidth with columns = 1.42, space = 0.70; *.doc had columns = 2.13, space = 0.70. The numbers do not make sense to me, but the visual change is clear. I noticed this problem with an earlier version of LibreOffice 3.4 and I think also with Open Office 3.3. ... I tested as per the above, and indeed LO does save the .doc with modified column widths. I tested by saveas in LO 3.3.3 and then opened the .doc with: LO 3.3.3 (linux) LO 3.4.3 (linux) OOo 3.2.1 (go-oo build - Ubuntu linux) OOo 3.2.0 (Windows) MSO Word97 (yes I have MSO97 on an VirtuaBox Win2K install) The worst/more serious issue is that in MSO Word97 blank second column is inserted/shown. This means that the document renders only 3 populated columns rather than 4. Screenshot is here: http://imageshack.us/f/841/screenshotwin2kprorunni.png/ So, you've a valid bug to report. Check to see if one hasn't already been filed before filing yours. Start a new thread regarding the problem when you've done that and I'll be glad to contribute/add to the bug report with my tests/screenshots. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 9/11/2011 2:52 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Yes, but it's very rare for a program to be 100% perfect. Thigns tend to be reasonably close but just not close enough sometimes. Software is subject to a behavioral equivalent to Gödel's theorem in mathematics in that it is humanly impossible to prove that software has no bugs. As far as I know, the closest we can come is to have unit tests with 100 percent coverage of all the options. Even that, however, is not enough, because there are always ambiguities in the documentation, etc., which create opportunities for bugs. Of course with proprietary stuff it is usually difficult to get any bugs fixed but with OpenSource it's possible for 'anyone' to fix a bug. Anyone can submit a bug report. I just provided privately reproducible examples of two problems to Dennis Hamilton, who requested them. (Thanks, Dennis. I did not see a place for bug reports on libreoffice.org, but I also didn't look too hard.) With open source, anyone can download the source code. Of course, reading the code and tracing a bug to its source requires some knowledge of how to do that. In theory, however, anyone can do that and offer bug fixes to the core development team. I've done that with R (www.r-project.org) but not LibreOffice, some of which they've accepted and some they haven't. Spencer There are a lot of bug-reports about specific problems with MS formats and the list is getting worked through. Usually the older formats (without the X at the end, eg doc rather than docx) work better because there has been longer to fix the bugs. LibreOffice doesn't completely conform to ODF standards either but it is trying to get closer. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 11/9/11, Anthony Papillionanth...@cryptofreaks.tk wrote: From: Anthony Papillionanth...@cryptofreaks.tk Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? To: LibreOffice Mailing Listusers@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 11 September, 2011, 21:41 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:33:09 +0100 From: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Hi :) MS don't implement their standard in the way that they wrote they would. Having set a standard anyone that follows that standard is guaranteed to produce things that are a little wonky when opened in MS Office. LO devs work at getting LO's implementation as wonky as MS's but the wonkiness is the unknown factor. Hi Tom, Ok, I can accept that. But then, aren't we back to a 'secret format'? If I implement a standard to write out a file a certain way and do it in another way that isn't documented then I'm not following the standard and, thus, my filetype is secret. The only way it's *not* secret is if they file is written to the standard without any deviations. At first, I thought 'ok, so this means MS has published a standard that other vendors can write to and MS will has implemented that standard (in addition to their secret one) so that MSO can always properly read other vendor created MSO files. But that's not the case. There are times, it seems, when LibO files are improperly rendered in MSO. So, apparently, the 'standard' really doesn't mean anything because that's not really what Microsoft is doing. Anthony -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
NoOp Dennis: What is the standard bug reporting procedure for LibreOffice? I looked at libreoffice.org and didn't find anything, but I didn't look too hard. DENNIS: NoOp tested one of the problems I reported; see below. NoOp: I submitted reproducible examples of two problems to Dennis. Thanks very much for your support of LibreOffice. Spencer On 9/11/2011 3:09 PM, NoOp wrote: On 09/11/2011 11:06 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: Another example: 1. Download http://www.cagreens.org/sclara/resources/flyers/noCreditCd-bookmark20110306.odt;. 2. Open in LibreOffice 3.4.3. Save as MS Word 97 *.doc format. 3. Close, then reopen the *.doc version: When I did this now under Windows 7, this changed the widths of the columns had changed and with it the column breaks, etc. I checked Format - Page - Columns: *.odt showed from Autowidth with columns = 1.42, space = 0.70; *.doc had columns = 2.13, space = 0.70. The numbers do not make sense to me, but the visual change is clear. I noticed this problem with an earlier version of LibreOffice 3.4 and I think also with Open Office 3.3. ... I tested as per the above, and indeed LO does save the .doc with modified column widths. I tested by saveas in LO 3.3.3 and then opened the .doc with: LO 3.3.3 (linux) LO 3.4.3 (linux) OOo 3.2.1 (go-oo build - Ubuntu linux) OOo 3.2.0 (Windows) MSO Word97 (yes I have MSO97 on an VirtuaBox Win2K install) The worst/more serious issue is that in MSO Word97 blank second column is inserted/shown. This means that the document renders only 3 populated columns rather than 4. Screenshot is here: http://imageshack.us/f/841/screenshotwin2kprorunni.png/ So, you've a valid bug to report. Check to see if one hasn't already been filed before filing yours. Start a new thread regarding the problem when you've done that and I'll be glad to contribute/add to the bug report with my tests/screenshots. -- Spencer Graves, PE, PhD President and Chief Technology Officer Structure Inspection and Monitoring, Inc. 751 Emerson Ct. San José, CA 95126 ph: 408-655-4567 web: www.structuremonitoring.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?)
Spencer sent me reproducible test cases for the two problems he has raised here. I have performed a conforming forensic analysis (without having looked inside the format at all). Here is the situation for the case of dashed lines in presentations. CONCLUSIONS This is a situation that has been seen in analysis on this list before. Both products have difficult with round-tripping into the other format and back. 1. In the specific case that Spencer reported, it appears that LibreOffice produces an unbroken line when saving the dashed line into an Office 97-2000 PowerPoint .PPT format. 2. In the specific case that Spencer reported, it also appears that LibreOffice presents an unbroken line when receiving an actual dashed line from an Office 97-2000 PowerPoint .PPT format. 3. Although PowerPoint 2010 will recognize the correct dashed line when opening the ODP directly (not as a PPT), dashed lines produced in ODP format from PowerPoint 2010 are not read correctly (as ODP format) by either PowerPoint 2010 or LibreOffice Impress. This is based on simple observation, without attempting any analysis to isolate the problems more specifically. It appears to be enough for 4 bug reports though. PPTX was not tested. That may lead to more bug reports all-around. - Dennis DETAILED PROCEDURE A. Document A from Spencer: Original ODP This is a single-slide .ODP where the only figure is a diagonal dashed line. The dashes are relatively long and the space between the three dashes is about the same width as a dash. This document opens just fine in LibreOffice 3.3.2, the one I use for production on my desktop system. This document also opens correctly (as an .ODP) in PowerPoint 2010. I needed to do a document-repair click-through because PowerPoint 2010 expects ODF 1.1 and the ODF 1.2 package from LO has unexpected XML content not defined in ODF 1.1. But the slide opens without problems. The dashed line is correct. X. Document X from Dennis. (PPT from the original ODP using PowerPoint 2010) I also saved this opened ODP from PowerPoint 2010 as an Office 97-2000 PowerPoint .PPT file. It re-opens just fine in PowerPoint 2010. [Side Note: There is an interesting difference in the presentation of the dashed line in PowerPoint 2010 in comparison with LibreOffice. If I zoom the slide larger, the sizes of the dashes and spaces between them do not changes. Instead, the number of dashes and spaces increases or decreases as the zoom makes the line longer or shorter. In LibreOffice Impress, the line retains 3 dashes, but their length and that of the intervening space changes as the slide is viewed at different zoom magnifications. I am certain that the ODF Specification does not say anything about the visual presentation of the dashed line. I don't know if [MSO-PPT] does or not. I doubt that the OOXML specification does either, but I should check that before I perpetuate another myth. This is a finer-grained interoperability issue than the problem Spencer reports. It appears to be within the allowed discretion for implementations.] B. Document B from Spencer. (PPT from the original ODF using LibreOffice Impress) This is a .PPT that Spencer made by Save As from LibreOffice Impress (just as Document X was made by Save As from Word 2010). Document B, when opened by PowerPoint 2010, shows a single solid line. C. Document C from Spencer. (ODP made after opening Document B in LibreOffice) This document is provided as confirmation that when Document B is re-opened in LibreOffice, it also shows a single solid line. Y. Document Y from Dennis. (ODP made after opening Document X in LibreOffice) In LibreOffice Impress, Document X opens the same as Document B, losing the line. The dashed line is known to be there from the PowerPoint 2010 side, but it turns into a solid line on input by LibreOffice Impress. Document Y captures the ODP of that result. Z. Document Z from Dennis (ODP made from Document Y using PowerPoint 2010) LibreOffice Impress opens this document and retains a dashed line, but the dashes are much smaller and there are many of them. At 100% these view as intermittent long and short dashes. PowerPoint 2010 opens this document (which it produced) and the dashed line has turned into a solid line. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 13:15 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com Subject: [libreoffice-users] Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?) I've changed the subject because it appears there is an issue which is entirely one about LibreOffice. Spencer, can you provide a small sample of the following: 1. An .ODP of the document that shows the line formats you are concerned with. 2. The .PPT that you get when you save in that format. 3. The .ODP of the document that you see when opening
Re: [libreoffice-users] Read Error for Graphics
Hi. On 2011-09-12 06:32, Tod Hopkins wrote: I'm seeing this with ODT's coming from NeoOffice, recent version. I know the originator of the docs was not seeing this, but on Friday it happened to him. I did not verify if he was using NeoOffice or LibreOffice at the time (we both have both). There may have been an intermediate doc format in the past. I believe the docs started in Indesign. The graphic formats vary. Probably mostly JPEG, possibly fairly large. When this happens ALL graphics vanish, not just some. It can happen on open, after auto-save, after Save As, and I think just spontaneously. I have not found any recovery other than reversion. Undo has no effect. It can happen or not with the same doc. I know this from losing work, going back to the original, and then successfully getting through the same work. Are graphics embedded by default? They appear to be. Cheers, tod On Sep 11, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: On 10/09/11 04:49, Tod Hopkins wrote: Problem with Writer (v3.3.2) document including graphic images. After opening, and displaying the image correctly, at some point during editing all images are replaced with Read Error and a broken link icon. Undo does not restore. Closing and reopening does not restore. Must revert to earlier version. Have not been able to associate with any particular document change and it does not always happen. Has happened on several distinct documents. Does not happen in NeoOffice 3.2. Contributing factor may be that the original document is being accessed by Mac OS via SMB from linux based server. Cheers, Tod Hopkins Hillmann Carr Inc. todhopk...@hillmanncarr.com Hi. I have had this frequently. I have disabled the autosave functionality as it usually happened after an autosave. It also happens between versions of LO/OO and most frequently with EPS images. I find as soon as you open the document and all images are showing, save it with a save as and from then it seems ok. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you can get to the point of Save As with a new file name without the graphics disappearing, then exit LO and open the new file, do the graphics subsequently disappear. Steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Help w Spreadsheet function?
At 18:02 11/09/2011 -0400, Steve Noname wrote: I want to make a spreadsheet that has a cell that has a little pulldown list arrow on the side of the cell, so that when you click the arrow, you see a list of things you can choose that populates the cell. I'm not a strong spreadsheet user, so when I'm looking at the help file I'm not sure what all the references are to this form and that data filter, etc. If I understand you correctly, try this: o Select the cell or region to which you want this to apply. o Go to Data | Validity... | Criteria. o For Allow, select List from the drop-down list. o Ensure that Show selection list is ticked. o Against Entries, enter your list of permissible values. You can achieve additional effects on the other tabs of the Validity dialogue, notably on Error Alert. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Help w Spreadsheet function?
On 09/11/2011 03:02 PM, JeepNut wrote: Hi all. I want to make a spreadsheet that has a cell that has a little pulldown list arrow on the side of the cell, so that when you click the arrow, you see a list of things you can choose that populates the cell. I'm not a strong spreadsheet user, so when I'm looking at the help file I'm not sure what all the references are to this form and that data filter, etc. It's all very confusing when you don't really know what they are referencing. I've been poking around using this example I have for instance of a checkbook regsiter type of spreadsheet. There is one page of the spreadsheet for catagories for instance which is just a list of catagories like Food, Clothing, etc. Then on the MAIN spreadsheet page in the cell you just click the button and pick the catagory. But I don't see any formulas that I can copy that make this happen in the one I'm trying to build. ... I think what you are looking for is 'list'. See: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/ Calc Guide (full book) (ODT), (PDF) Pages 46 47. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?)
I repeated test similar to those NoOp also performed to see how the variations that I made with the dashed-line slide image show up here. CONCLUSION The round trip from Document A to B back to C is definitely broken in Libre Office in the manner described by Spencer. The opening of either Document A or Document B in Word 2010 produces a terrible result where the 4 columns are longer and flow at their bottoms onto a second page. This is so bad I despair of doing any further isolation. - Dennis ANALYSIS DETAILS A. Document A - The ODT from Spencer. In LO 3.3.2 I see 4 columns, each 1.5 wide, with about 0.5 between. The Format | Columns dialog reports 1.42 with 0.70 spacing and AutoWidth is selected. B. Document B - The Word 27-2000 format DOC from Document A via Libre Office, by Spencer C. Document C - The ODT file that reflects what is seen when Document B is opened in Libre Office. When I open Document A in Word 2010, I see the problem that NoOp reported, concerning a blank column showing up. There is also an error message about Drawn Objects and Text Boxes 1. I also see that there is a second page having 4 more columns (the 4th column is empty). It appears that the columns stretch vertically down onto the second page. That is, there are only 4 columns but each column is two pages long, and the top of the second column is all blank, so its content only appears on the second page. There are also columns whose content image flows off the bottom of the page and is chopped off. When I open Document B in Word 2010, What I see is almost the same as when opening Document A in Word, but the B view has a duplicate title over one of the figures of the Financial Industry Profits graph in column 2. Document C in LibreOffice is now 2 pages because the column sizes are screwed up, leading to 4 columns on the first page and a fifth column on the second page. There's no point in making a Document X because I have no means to obtain a correct version in Word to try saving back. -Original Message- From: NoOp [mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 15:09 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? On 09/11/2011 11:06 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: Another example: 1. Download http://www.cagreens.org/sclara/resources/flyers/noCreditCd-bookmark20110306.odt;. 2. Open in LibreOffice 3.4.3. Save as MS Word 97 *.doc format. 3. Close, then reopen the *.doc version: When I did this now under Windows 7, this changed the widths of the columns had changed and with it the column breaks, etc. I checked Format - Page - Columns: *.odt showed from Autowidth with columns = 1.42, space = 0.70; *.doc had columns = 2.13, space = 0.70. The numbers do not make sense to me, but the visual change is clear. I noticed this problem with an earlier version of LibreOffice 3.4 and I think also with Open Office 3.3. ... I tested as per the above, and indeed LO does save the .doc with modified column widths. I tested by saveas in LO 3.3.3 and then opened the .doc with: LO 3.3.3 (linux) LO 3.4.3 (linux) OOo 3.2.1 (go-oo build - Ubuntu linux) OOo 3.2.0 (Windows) MSO Word97 (yes I have MSO97 on an VirtuaBox Win2K install) The worst/more serious issue is that in MSO Word97 blank second column is inserted/shown. This means that the document renders only 3 populated columns rather than 4. Screenshot is here: http://imageshack.us/f/841/screenshotwin2kprorunni.png/ So, you've a valid bug to report. Check to see if one hasn't already been filed before filing yours. Start a new thread regarding the problem when you've done that and I'll be glad to contribute/add to the bug report with my tests/screenshots. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
If LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org did not support M$ Office file formats, nobody would support them. Like it or not, the M$ Office file formats, both the older ones and the newer XML based ones, are the defacto industry standards. The greatest marketing point that OOo and its variants, including LibreOffice, have is reasonably good compatibility with M$ Office. That's what makes them a viable alternative for most users. They can download this software for free that does most everything M$ Office does and does it reasonably well. It doesn't do it 100 percent perfectly, but it does it reasonably well and and that's good for most people who choose the free alternatives. They can get their work done and they can share files fairly seamlessly with others, most of whom are using M$ Office. I actually have both M$ Office and LibreOffice on my computer but most of the time I choose to use LibreOffice because I like the way the software works. I like the integrated approach as opposed to separate applications and I like the fact it's not a M$ product. I share files with M$ Office users on a regular basis and most are unaware that I'm using something other than M$ Office. That's just how good it is. But if it didn't support the M$ Office file formats, I would have no use for it because file sharing is a necessity. That's the bottom line as I see it. Edwin -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?)
Spencer On Sun, 2011-09-11 at 17:28 -0700, Spencer Graves wrote: Hi, Dennis: Thanks very much. Should I do something to file bug reports on these items? Spencer I would go ahead a file a bug report. The address is https://bugs.freedesktop.org. You will need to set up a user account to file the bug. snip On 9/11/2011 5:08 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I repeated test similar to those NoOp also performed to see how the variations that I made with the dashed-line slide image show up here. CONCLUSION The round trip from Document A to B back to C is definitely broken in Libre Office in the manner described by Spencer. The opening of either Document A or Document B in Word 2010 produces a terrible result where the 4 columns are longer and flow at their bottoms onto a second page. This is so bad I despair of doing any further isolation. - Dennis ANALYSIS DETAILS A. Document A - The ODT from Spencer. In LO 3.3.2 I see 4 columns, each 1.5 wide, with about 0.5 between. The Format | Columns dialog reports 1.42 with 0.70 spacing and AutoWidth is selected. B. Document B - The Word 27-2000 format DOC from Document A via Libre Office, by Spencer C. Document C - The ODT file that reflects what is seen when Document B is opened in Libre Office. When I open Document A in Word 2010, I see the problem that NoOp reported, concerning a blank column showing up. There is also an error message about Drawn Objects and Text Boxes 1. I also see that there is a second page having 4 more columns (the 4th column is empty). It appears that the columns stretch vertically down onto the second page. That is, there are only 4 columns but each column is two pages long, and the top of the second column is all blank, so its content only appears on the second page. There are also columns whose content image flows off the bottom of the page and is chopped off. When I open Document B in Word 2010, What I see is almost the same as when opening Document A in Word, but the B view has a duplicate title over one of the figures of the Financial Industry Profits graph in column 2. Document C in LibreOffice is now 2 pages because the column sizes are screwed up, leading to 4 columns on the first page and a fifth column on the second page. There's no point in making a Document X because I have no means to obtain a correct version in Word to try saving back. -Original Message- From: NoOp [mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 15:09 To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? On 09/11/2011 11:06 AM, Spencer Graves wrote: Another example: 1. Download http://www.cagreens.org/sclara/resources/flyers/noCreditCd-bookmark20110306.odt;. 2. Open in LibreOffice 3.4.3. Save as MS Word 97 *.doc format. 3. Close, then reopen the *.doc version: When I did this now under Windows 7, this changed the widths of the columns had changed and with it the column breaks, etc. I checked Format - Page - Columns: *.odt showed from Autowidth with columns = 1.42, space = 0.70; *.doc had columns = 2.13, space = 0.70. The numbers do not make sense to me, but the visual change is clear. I noticed this problem with an earlier version of LibreOffice 3.4 and I think also with Open Office 3.3. ... I tested as per the above, and indeed LO does save the .doc with modified column widths. I tested by saveas in LO 3.3.3 and then opened the .doc with: LO 3.3.3 (linux) LO 3.4.3 (linux) OOo 3.2.1 (go-oo build - Ubuntu linux) OOo 3.2.0 (Windows) MSO Word97 (yes I have MSO97 on an VirtuaBox Win2K install) The worst/more serious issue is that in MSO Word97 blank second column is inserted/shown. This means that the document renders only 3 populated columns rather than 4. Screenshot is here: http://imageshack.us/f/841/screenshotwin2kprorunni.png/ So, you've a valid bug to report. Check to see if one hasn't already been filed before filing yours. Start a new thread regarding the problem when you've done that and I'll be glad to contribute/add to the bug report with my tests/screenshots. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
Edwin On Sun, 2011-09-11 at 20:28 -0400, Edwin Powell wrote: If LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org did not support M$ Office file formats, nobody would support them. Like it or not, the M$ Office file formats, both the older ones and the newer XML based ones, are the defacto industry standards. The greatest marketing point that OOo and its variants, including LibreOffice, have is reasonably good compatibility with M$ Office. That's what makes them a viable alternative for most users. They can download this software for free that does most everything M$ Office does and does it reasonably well. It doesn't do it 100 percent perfectly, but it does it reasonably well and and that's good for most people who choose the free alternatives. They can get their work done and they can share files fairly seamlessly with others, most of whom are using M$ Office. I think you hit the nail on the head, MSO is the defacto standard in the corporate world. The issue is whether LO has good enough compatibility for most users. For me the answer is yes it does. As you noted below many have to share files with other users who may not even be aware of someone using LO. I actually have both M$ Office and LibreOffice on my computer but most of the time I choose to use LibreOffice because I like the way the software works. I like the integrated approach as opposed to separate applications and I like the fact it's not a M$ product. I share files with M$ Office users on a regular basis and most are unaware that I'm using something other than M$ Office. That's just how good it is. But if it didn't support the M$ Office file formats, I would have no use for it because file sharing is a necessity. That's the bottom line as I see it. Edwin -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
Hi On Sun, 2011-09-11 at 14:32 -0400, Don Myers wrote: This is a general replay to Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? illustrating my personal situation, and why my answer is *yes*. I moved from Microsoft Office Professional to Word Perfect Office Professional probably 12 to 13 years ago. The reason for the professional versions is that I needed a database as well as an office suite. When Open Office first came out, I moved to it, starting with version .9 something. I needed to keep Paradox as my database at that time. Once Base became available with Open Office, I was able to move to Base and drop proprietary software for an office suite completely. Once I had everything in Open Office, I had one major step forward for someday moving to Linux instead of Windows. I made that transition 2 1/2 years ago. I get many attachments from co-workers and other organizations that are sent in Microsoft format. Most of these documents are relatively simple. I've not had anyone send me anything in docx format I couldn't read. Generally I will need to adjust margins, or something like that. I'm 97% Windows free. I only use it for video editing and for a forms program which will not work with Wine in Linux. Most of the people who send me these attachments are using what they are required to use, which is Microsoft. If I could not be somewhat compatible with them, Open Office or LibreOffice now, would be of no value to me at all. If we could get back to the big push of several years for governments to adopt odf standards for all of their documents, we would all be a lot better off. But that push would never work if there wasn't some backward compatibility for the former Microsoft users to be able to open previous documents. Don -- *** * How many e-documents are essentially lost because no one converted them from their original format to another and now almost no one has a program that can read the original files. Having backward compatibility is important. LO does support many older formats. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?)
It is tough to figure out what bug to report in the multi-column text-flow problem. In the dashed line problem, it is easy to report two bugs, one for dashed lines to .doc and one for dashed lines from .doc. In this multi-column flow case, LibreOffice can round trip, and the bug is in the change to column and spacing widths that have the material not fit and not flow properly. So there is a bug around not being able to consume what it produces properly. THE SERIOUS INTEROP QUESTION The other problem, that I don't know how to deal with, is whether that is a proper .doc for what is in the .odt at all. I *think* the problem you are seeing is that the frame on one of the images in column 2 is actually too wide. Or maybe column 1, and it forced the kind of adjustment you are seeing. But the consequences in Word are particularly awful. What is even more amazing is that what Word does with that specific .doc has not changed since Office 97!! NoOp gets near-identical results from the .doc in Word 97 that I get from it in Word 2010. I bet if the second page is examined, the column 2 content will be seen to have flown down to the second column there. (The only difference that I see in Word 2010 compared with the Word 97 screen shot is that 2010 has a double title over the graph in column 3 and consequently more text flows to the top of column 4. I hadn't noticed that additional title doubling in my earlier report.) On the other hand, what Word 2010 does with the original ODT is strangely close to what it does with the .DOC, and that is *really* inexplicable. So there's not enough here for an isolated bug. MORE DETAIL: I forgot to check this before. When the .doc is opened in Word 2010, the columns are set as four across, with column 1 1.6, 2-3 at 1.25 apiece, and column 4 at 1.6. The spacing is 0.7. The equal column width box is not checked. The margins are 0.35 top, left, right, and bottom, with no gutter. The page is US Letter. If I check equal column width I get 1.43 columns all the way across and 0.7 spacing. The duplicated titles I mention disappear, but there are other duplications in the columns. (sigh) FURTHER ANALYSIS POSSIBILITIES Although it introduces more variables that can't be controlled, I think there are three avenues of further exploration: 1. Make a .doc that seems as correct as is possible. See what LibreOffice does with that. Then make an .odt from that .doc from Office 2010 to see how that round-tripping works. This might localize *something*. 2. Do the same thing with .docx in both directions. If experience is any guide, this will be worse, but because .docx is an XML format it might be possible to find more clues by inspecting the XML that travels in various directions. 3. Make a Microsoft Word XML file too. This is a rarely-used variation that *might* provide more clues. There are filters for reading those into LibreOffice also, although I have no clue concerning their quality. (This can be round-tripped out of LibreOffice too, I believe.) There is a project, Apache Poi, that has Java tools for manipulating and converting Microsoft Office format documents. That might help to examine the .doc files to see where the discrepancies arise. That's a lot of work to invest for this particular file. I think starting with variations of simple cases may work better. -Original Message- From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com] Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 17:29 To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?) Hi, Dennis: Thanks very much. Should I do something to file bug reports on these items? Spencer On 9/11/2011 5:08 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I repeated test similar to those NoOp also performed to see how the variations that I made with the dashed-line slide image show up here. CONCLUSION The round trip from Document A to B back to C is definitely broken in Libre Office in the manner described by Spencer. The opening of either Document A or Document B in Word 2010 produces a terrible result where the 4 columns are longer and flow at their bottoms onto a second page. This is so bad I despair of doing any further isolation. - Dennis ANALYSIS DETAILS A. Document A - The ODT from Spencer. In LO 3.3.2 I see 4 columns, each 1.5 wide, with about 0.5 between. The Format | Columns dialog reports 1.42 with 0.70 spacing and AutoWidth is selected. B. Document B - The Word 27-2000 format DOC from Document A via Libre Office, by Spencer C. Document C - The ODT file that reflects what is seen when Document B is opened in Libre Office. When I open Document A in Word 2010, I see the problem that NoOp reported, concerning a blank column showing up. There is also an error message about Drawn Objects and Text Boxes
[libreoffice-users] Re: Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?
On 09/11/2011 04:02 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) There is a guide here http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport This is mostly guidance rather than rules as each case might be different. If you can't include all the info required initially then it can always be added in later if needed. Regards from Tom :) You know the link. However it's not easy to find from the standard LO webpage (see my post in response to Spencer's question. How did you find it BTW? Why isn't it easy to find? I know it's been discussed on this list before wonder why it's so hard to find. I suppose it's better discussed on the website list as for why. But better discussed here as to why not? ... -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
