Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
Sebastian Menge wrote: [...very helpful summary for Vim Wiki...] Thanks for keeping this moving. I'm happy with what you said, but here are some comments. Please disregard all this and just do it, if you can't stand my detail at the moment! everything should fit on one page, no scrolling That would be an aim, but clearly it can't be enforced by the initial import (although it does mean that any information box should be at the end of the tip). 2.) Drop the id for new tips, use old ids just to redirect. Good, but let's have a specific example. How about: ---Current example--- URL:http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1_v2 Title: Tip: #1 - the super star ---What we want--- URL:http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/the_super_star Title: The super star The import script should change the tip title as above. -Or- Do we want to keep the (obsolete!) tip number? ---Also have a redirect page--- URL:http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/vimtip1 Page content (I'm not sure if syntax is correct): #REDIRECT [[the_super_star]] ---Example of new tip--- URL:http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/my_great_new_tip Title: My great new tip (there would be no tip number and no redirect page) 3.) Use some scripting to keep ids, e.g. via a cron job that tidies up each night or a javascript that uses a timestamp. I think you are saying that this is not a good plan. I agree that we cannot realistically have an automated process run on someone's computer to edit wiki pages. We'll have to plan so there is no need to automate adjustments. Tony mentioned the possibility of a wiki robot, but I guess that we would not be able to use such a feature, unless we knew a friendly administrator (hi Martin!). Layout issues of the template can be discussed in the respective discussion page. Let's not do that yet. I suggest we keep all discussion here until the wiki is imported. After the first import, let's discuss it here and agree yes. Once that is done, those who are willing can discuss details on the wiki discussion pages. Conversion of HTML in Tip-Text. This should be converted to wiki markup in the long run. Please - let's do it in the import script! Anything else would be a heap of unrewarding and unending work. The script could convert simple cases, and maybe flag awkward cases for manual attention. We have had three fantastic scripts (I think it's three) that were produced very quickly. Someone needs to pick one and ask the author if they are willing to make adjustments. A problem are tips that contain URLs to external sites (e.g. other tips) Fix this in the import script as well: - Links to tips should be adjusted to wiki format. - Links to external sites should be converted to plain text for later review. I like Martin Krischik's suggestion that we use the vi wikibooks where he is an administrator. However, we would get really ugly URLs - I think something like (one line!): http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Learning_the_vi_editor/Vim/Tips_and_Tricks/the_super_star Maybe Martin has a suggestion to improve that. I also saw a comment that wikia would provide additional benefits over wikibooks (I don't quite understand this): a complete wiki, not just a bunch of pages To do: - Discuss here for, say, three more days. - Import ten tips. - Discuss for another three days. - Import all tips. John
Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
On Mon, May 21, 2007 10:16 am, Sebastian Menge wrote: A problem are tips that contain URLs to external sites (e.g. other tips) This is regarded as spam by mediawiki (captcha). Though the URLs are clean (since someone edited them before) we have to either import these tips by hand or convert all a hrefs in the script. I am able to add links to external web sites to a page without going through a captcha on the wikia site. If we do end up using the wikia site, I can run the conversion script and avoid a lot of the obstacles that are affecting the rest of you. Thanks, Tom Purl
Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
Am Dienstag, den 15.05.2007, 10:23 -0500 schrieb Tom Purl:
Task: Wiki Format Sign-Off
Deadline: Monday, May 21st (arbitrary, I know)
OK, it's May 21st.
I reviewed all the contributions and will try to summarize everything in
one mail.
1.) Layout
- Template 2 is strongly preferred.
- perhaps Metadata in front like in Template 4
- Comments should go on the same page under the assumption, that these
comments will finally find their way into the main tip. The
discussion-page should be used for meta-communication about future of
this tip (e.g. merging with another tip ?)
- comments should be done as in wikipedia: to sign and to
separate comments
- everything should fit on one page, no scrolling
The other thing was how to handle page-titles. Two concurring
approaches:
2.) Drop the id for new tips, use old ids just to redirect.
- We would need guidelines to get nice titles (no '(' and ')' )
- Should be easy to remember: See tip #1 would get See tip
the_super_star
3.) Use some scripting to keep ids, e.g. via a cron job that tidies up
each night or a javascript that uses a timestamp.
My (subjective!) impression is that 2.) is slightly before 3.)
Especially when it comes to the question who will write/host the scripts
(and assure that they will work for a long time)?
===
Now for my two cents:
Write the things we learned into some guideline-page. I will start that
tonight.
Simply use the template 2 as suggested in 1.) and use 2.) as the
approach for page titles. Layout issues of the template can be discussed
in the respective discussion page. Long and ugly titles can be changed
later as follows:
At import time, add a coloured box to each page saying that the tip
has been imported by a script and should be reviewed by a human. The box
should contain a link to the guidelines. After Review, the box can be
removed.
Conversion of HTML in Tip-Text. This should be converted to wiki markup
in the long run. Either we get a good script (some real regex guru
around?) that does it at import (which would delay the whole thing
again ...), or we refer in the above mentioned box to the guidelines
frew posted some days ago.
A problem are tips that contain URLs to external sites (e.g. other tips)
This is regarded as spam by mediawiki (captcha). Though the URLs are
clean (since someone edited them before) we have to either import these
tips by hand or convert all a hrefs in the script.
If no one votes strongly against this I would like that this week.
Silence is taken as agreement ;-)
Regards, Sebastian
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Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
Am Mittwoch 16 Mai 2007 schrieb John Beckett: Thinking about how a wiki works shows that keeping tip numbers is doomed. First, there is no auto-increment id, and as you point out, there is no reasonable way to automate fixes. But do we need an id? - each tip will have a page name which will be unique. Personally - when I see such question - I begin to think that the Vim Wiki will die soon - again! Content first is makes Wikis successfull. The Vim Wiki project is talking to much about ID numbers, templates, organization etc. pp. without producing any content. Ada Programming has not have become Book of the Month, Features Book and is generally quoted as an one of the best Wikibooks around (Even from those who don't program in Ada) because we discussed for weeks about structural details. In fact: Almost nothing was discussed longer then 3 days and if there was no *stiff* opposition then one of the Authors went ahead and just did it. And lots of stuff was never discussed: Somebody just did it and the other fell in line - plainly because it was a good idea. Martin -- Martin Krischik mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
Martin Krischik wrote: But do we need an id? - each tip will have a page name which will be unique. IMHO you are correct - we should NOT have a tip id. I'm not sure what is feasible, but here is my ideal: - Import current tip_nr into the template. - Display tip_nr near the top of the tip, very modestly. - When we're ready to abandon ids, stop displaying tip_nr. Content first is makes Wikis successfull. The Vim Wiki project is talking to much about ID numbers, templates, organization etc. pp. without producing any content. You're talking a lot of sense, Martin. However, someone is going to import 1500 tips, so I can put up with a bit more planning. But if there's no action before June, I think it would be reasonable to despairg. John
RE: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
Is there any equivalent to javascript's document.lastModified? Can create a serial number based on the date of submission, then rearrange by fields to a sortable ID, eg 2007.05.15.23.53 for a tip created yesterday at 23:53. Don't need dots, or hyphens, or anything, as 2007051523353 would be fine, too. The odds of having 2 tips be submitted in the same minute would be remote. I don't think so. A minute is sixty seconds, and sooner or later we'll have two different users submitting tips less than sixty (or even thirty) seconds away from each other. Even adding the seconds to the ID doesn't clear the problem, it lowers the probability but doesn't make it zero. With enough Vimmers adding tips, sooner or later there'll be a clash. Okay, so can probably have something like if exist N N++ to make sure that when naming(?) a tip, there's no name-collision. Gotta be *somewhere* to put in the smarts to avoid name-collisions, no? Or if each tip is a file, then a name-collision would be attempting to overwrite an existing file, and a cookie or something could make sure that doesn't happen, ie, only write the actual tip you're working on. Like I said, I have no idea about the mechanisms in use to create wikis or edit entries, etc., so I'm just flinging ideas at the wall to see what sticks, if anything. Someone more versed in wikiing might put 2+2 together and say, Hey, we might not be able to do *that*, but along those lines, we might be able to do *this*..., and viola! (or cello, or some other stringed instrument...)
RE: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
In fact: Almost nothing was discussed longer then 3 days and if there was no *stiff* opposition then one of the Authors went ahead and just did it. And lots of stuff was never discussed: Somebody just did it and the other fell in line - plainly because it was a good idea. Hey, that's what *I* said... :D
RE: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
-Original Message- From: Tom Purl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 May 2007 17:24 To: vim@vim.org Subject: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline Task: Wiki Format Sign-Off Deadline: Monday, May 21st (arbitrary, I know) Overview We've had some great, constructive discussions lately regarding how we will be creating and editing tips in the future. Before we can finally decide how this is going to work, however, we need to decide upon a page format for tips. The most recently-updated wiki tip examples can be found at the following URL: * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTest The following tips should stand out: * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1 * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1_v2 My preference goes to the v2, more concise. This first tip uses the Template:Tip template (http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip), and the second tip uses the Template:Tip2 template (http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip2). - Tip2 template is seems fine to me. - Who will or how it will be decided what are the different 'complexity' (what terms will be allowed)? - I find little inconvenient that when I want to add a comment I can't have the original tip (and perhaps other comments) in front of my eyes (maybe to scroll it manually) but that may be unsolvable - it could be useful to have a possibility to have a button saying 'Add a new tip' on every tip page so when I want to add a tip I don't have to start from a different page. That, too, may not be possible, correct? Requested Actions = Please take a look at these tips, decide which one you prefer, and then provide constructive criticism for that tip's format. There's no such thing as a dumb comment. My Two Cents I really like VimTip1_v2, which uses the Tip2 template. Here's what I like: * No special formatting for commands or any other preformatted text. I think that this is an essential requirement for the initial conversion effort. * Easy to read * Succinct Just what I meant above. How do you want to handle comments? Typically on a Mediawiki site, you sign you comments like so: This is so cool! Which is then saved to the page like this: This is so cool! Tpurl 15:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC) --- - It's a little ugly, but it's the norm in the wiki world. What do you guys think? :-) little ugly, yes. Alternatives? The whole thing seems to really be moving now in the right direction IMHO. Keep it up! Cheers, ---Zdenek smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
On 5/15/07, Tom Purl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Task: Wiki Format Sign-Off Deadline: Monday, May 21st (arbitrary, I know) Overview We've had some great, constructive discussions lately regarding how we will be creating and editing tips in the future. Before we can finally decide how this is going to work, however, we need to decide upon a page format for tips. The most recently-updated wiki tip examples can be found at the following URL: * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTest The following tips should stand out: * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1 * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1_v2 This first tip uses the Template:Tip template (http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip), and the second tip uses the Template:Tip2 template (http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip2). Requested Actions = Please take a look at these tips, decide which one you prefer, and then provide constructive criticism for that tip's format. There's no such thing as a dumb comment. My Two Cents I really like VimTip1_v2, which uses the Tip2 template. Here's what I like: * No special formatting for commands or any other preformatted text. I think that this is an essential requirement for the initial conversion effort. * Easy to read * Succinct How do you want to handle comments? Typically on a Mediawiki site, you sign you comments like so: This is so cool! Which is then saved to the page like this: This is so cool! Tpurl 15:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC) It's a little ugly, but it's the norm in the wiki world. What do you guys think? Tom Purl I think you are right about the comments. It doesn't look like the best thing ever, but it will work fine for a wiki. People will probably leave off the sometimes and that will probably be something that we will have to live with. I think that there is probably a way that we can make a reminder for people to put that there after comments, but I don't think we could easily require it. Also, it should be obvious that I prefer the Tip2 template ;-) -fREW
RE: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
Am Mittwoch, den 16.05.2007, 09:43 +0200 schrieb Zdenek Sekera: - Tip2 template is seems fine to me. - Who will or how it will be decided what are the different 'complexity' (what terms will be allowed)? I also vote for v2 (though i wrote v1 :-) ) And lets dont forget, that the layout of the template can be changed always at a later time. So its no problem if we use a suboptimal template for the beginning ... More important is that the fields keep consistent ... - I find little inconvenient that when I want to add a comment I can't have the original tip (and perhaps other comments) in front of my eyes (maybe to scroll it manually) but that may be unsolvable - it could be useful to have a possibility to have a button saying 'Add a new tip' on every tip page so when I want to add a tip I don't have to start from a different page. That, too, may not be possible, correct? There is already a Add Tip Button on http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTest . If you try that out, you will find some instructions on the top. These are freely editable at http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/TipInstructions . When using this AddTip approach, people have to invent their own pagename. (autoincrementig the tip-id seems to be impossible) Therefore, I would vote for using tip-title == page-title and let the categorization be done by [[Category:VimTip]]. Using Wikipedia standards (CamelCaseIsUgly) we would get pages like The Super Star and we could reuse the title in the template. We would loose the tip-id for new tips. But that seems to be unavoidable. And what is the id good for anyways? Using a cron job to convert tips wont work, because we have no access to the host. Sebastian.
Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
On 15/05/07, Tom Purl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Task: Wiki Format Sign-Off Deadline: Monday, May 21st (arbitrary, I know) Overview We've had some great, constructive discussions lately regarding how we will be creating and editing tips in the future. Before we can finally decide how this is going to work, however, we need to decide upon a page format for tips. The most recently-updated wiki tip examples can be found at the following URL: * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTest The following tips should stand out: * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1 * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1_v2 This first tip uses the Template:Tip template (http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip), and the second tip uses the Template:Tip2 template (http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip2). Requested Actions = Please take a look at these tips, decide which one you prefer, and then provide constructive criticism for that tip's format. There's no such thing as a dumb comment. [snip] What do you guys think? My vote definitely goes for version two (which seems to correspond with most people on the list). The nice thing about using a template though, is that if at some point later down the line a change is considered desirable, the template can be changed and hopefully this will update all the tips (depending on how drastic the change is of course!) I guess this is either me being daft or something strange about the setup, but at the moment, if you click the edit button on the right-hand side in line with either Comments or Tip: #1 - the super star, it edits the template rather than the tip! Regards, Al
Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
Am Dienstag 15 Mai 2007 schrieb Tom Purl: Task: Wiki Format Sign-Off Deadline: Monday, May 21st (arbitrary, I know) I like Template 2 more. How do you want to handle comments? Typically on a Mediawiki site, you sign you comments like so: This is so cool! Which is then saved to the page like this: This is so cool! Tpurl 15:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC) --- - It's a little ugly, but it's the norm in the wiki world. Comment should go to the discussion page. There ugly signatures won't matter there. Also comments are often threaded - which is even uglier - but again - won't matter that much on the discussion page. The Main page should only contain the clean and simple tip. Martin -- Martin Krischik mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
On 5/15/07, Gary Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2007-05-15, Tom Purl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Task: Wiki Format Sign-Off
Deadline: Monday, May 21st (arbitrary, I know)
Overview
We've had some great, constructive discussions lately regarding how we
will be creating and editing tips in the future. Before we can finally
decide how this is going to work, however, we need to decide upon a page
format for tips.
The most recently-updated wiki tip examples can be found at the
following URL:
* http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTest
The following tips should stand out:
* http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1
* http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1_v2
This first tip uses the Template:Tip template
(http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip), and the second tip uses
the Template:Tip2 template
(http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip2).
Requested Actions
=
Please take a look at these tips, decide which one you prefer, and then
provide constructive criticism for that tip's format. There's no such
thing as a dumb comment.
I much prefer VimTip1 v2. Whether just browsing tips or reading
tips I've searched for, I want to be able to read it quickly without
having to scan through a bunch of boilerplate. I would even
advocate a Synopsis line that would summarize the tip if the title
didn't already do so. I like having the meta data collected as it
is in one line at the bottom of the tip: it's concise and in an
unobtrusive yet consistent and easy-to-find location.
In the table of contents, each tip really needs to have the title
alongside its number. The first page,
http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTest, is lacking that, unless
the names there (e.g., VimTip123) are just place holders for real
titles. I really don't want to have to load each tip page one at a
time to browse the latest contributions.
My $0.02.
Regards,
Gary
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I don't know how to add pages to that dynamic page there if they have
already been created, but I made [1] with template [2] so that it
would work better if you just wanted to see the titles of pages. The
only problem is that this would require more work if we wanted to
scrape the wiki at some point. Anyway, if we WERE to do this, this is
how I envision it working:
1: User creates a new page using Template:Tip3 (or 2 or whatever)
2: They leave the id blank because it will be ignored
3: At some specified interval, a cron job runs that will scrape the
source of any newly created pages and sort them in a chronological
list
4: The program in the cron job moves each new tip to: #{generated id} - #{title}
And then we could probably have another program that would run say,
once a week that would iterate through the entire tip list ensuring
that people didn't do something silly, like change the numbers. I
presume that we would have to use the history and then look at the
initial creation of the page to ensure correct times and whatnot.
I can still see why we would want to use the format:
Tip1
Tip2
...
Tip10
...
but it makes sense to have the names show the titles (or more
obviously, the titles should BE the names).
What do you guys think?
[1] http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/1_-_the_super_star
[2] http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip3
Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
Sebastian Menge wrote: Therefore, I would vote for using tip-title == page-title and let the categorization be done by [[Category:VimTip]]. Using Wikipedia standards (CamelCaseIsUgly) we would get pages like The Super Star and we could reuse the title in the template. We would lose the tip-id for new tips. Thinking about how a wiki works shows that keeping tip numbers is doomed. First, there is no auto-increment id, and as you point out, there is no reasonable way to automate fixes. But more than that. I hope that the wiki tips really will be edited and improved. Currently, there are lots of tips that are of very marginal value, and there are several related tips. I hope that unhelpful tips will be brutally deleted, and related tips will be merged (if that doesn't make the new tip too big). In other words, we should end up with many missing tip numbers. If all tips are retained for nostalgic reasons, the usefulness of the whole site will be reduced due to the growing amount of cruft that would obscure the helpful tips. Re the tip URL, what would you recommend for this: List of text editors http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_text_editors Will it be possible to edit the URL of a link, in order to simplify it? For example, I don't like: Optimization (mathematics) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimization_%28mathematics%29 I've seen much worse URLs, but can't find one now. John
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 15-May-07, at 3:02 PM, Gary Johnson wrote: Please take a look at these tips, decide which one you prefer, and then provide constructive criticism for that tip's format. There's no such thing as a dumb comment. I much prefer VimTip1 v2. Whether just browsing tips or reading tips I've searched for, I want to be able to read it quickly without having to scan through a bunch of boilerplate. I would even advocate a Synopsis line that would summarize the tip if the title didn't already do so. I like having the meta data collected as it is in one line at the bottom of the tip: it's concise and in an unobtrusive yet consistent and easy-to-find location. I have to say that I prefer the Metadata at the top, but I agree the giant table is a bit much. How about a blend of the two? I quickly created http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip4 but I didn't figure out how to get tip 1 to use that template. Editing tip 1 starts editing the template. - Where do I assign it Brian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Verify this email or encrypt your email for free - see gnupg.org iD8DBQFGShSLGnOmb9xIQHQRAtwPAJ0YpRmcsTStjZ2AUyBGb8mFYecalwCgx3Cz CM35zURSnPRsWu7zYO0/QWk= =/vcf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
Thinking about how a wiki works shows that keeping tip numbers is doomed. First, there is no auto-increment id, and as you point out, there is no reasonable way to automate fixes. Is there any equivalent to javascript's document.lastModified? Can create a serial number based on the date of submission, then rearrange by fields to a sortable ID, eg 2007.05.15.23.53 for a tip created yesterday at 23:53. Don't need dots, or hyphens, or anything, as 2007051523353 would be fine, too. The odds of having 2 tips be submitted in the same minute would be remote.
Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
Gene Kwiecinski wrote: Thinking about how a wiki works shows that keeping tip numbers is doomed. First, there is no auto-increment id, and as you point out, there is no reasonable way to automate fixes. Is there any equivalent to javascript's document.lastModified? Can create a serial number based on the date of submission, then rearrange by fields to a sortable ID, eg 2007.05.15.23.53 for a tip created yesterday at 23:53. Don't need dots, or hyphens, or anything, as 2007051523353 would be fine, too. The odds of having 2 tips be submitted in the same minute would be remote. I don't think so. A minute is sixty seconds, and sooner or later we'll have two different users submitting tips less than sixty (or even thirty) seconds away from each other. Even adding the seconds to the ID doesn't clear the problem, it lowers the probability but doesn't make it zero. With enough Vimmers adding tips, sooner or later there'll be a clash. Best regards, Tony. -- If the odds are a million to one against something occurring, chances are 50-50 it will.
Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
On 5/16/07, A.J.Mechelynck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gene Kwiecinski wrote: Thinking about how a wiki works shows that keeping tip numbers is doomed. First, there is no auto-increment id, and as you point out, there is no reasonable way to automate fixes. Is there any equivalent to javascript's document.lastModified? Can create a serial number based on the date of submission, then rearrange by fields to a sortable ID, eg 2007.05.15.23.53 for a tip created yesterday at 23:53. Don't need dots, or hyphens, or anything, as 2007051523353 would be fine, too. The odds of having 2 tips be submitted in the same minute would be remote. I don't think so. A minute is sixty seconds, and sooner or later we'll have two different users submitting tips less than sixty (or even thirty) seconds away from each other. Even adding the seconds to the ID doesn't clear the problem, it lowers the probability but doesn't make it zero. With enough Vimmers adding tips, sooner or later there'll be a clash. Best regards, Tony. -- If the odds are a million to one against something occurring, chances are 50-50 it will. I still think we could automate it with a cron job. It doesn't have to be run on wikia. I don't think it would be that hard to scrape and moving a tip is even simpler. So you just move all the tips created since the last run of the cron job and move them to $id - $title -fREW
Re: Vim Wiki - Tip Page Formatting Deadline
On 2007-05-15, Tom Purl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Task: Wiki Format Sign-Off Deadline: Monday, May 21st (arbitrary, I know) Overview We've had some great, constructive discussions lately regarding how we will be creating and editing tips in the future. Before we can finally decide how this is going to work, however, we need to decide upon a page format for tips. The most recently-updated wiki tip examples can be found at the following URL: * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTest The following tips should stand out: * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1 * http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1_v2 This first tip uses the Template:Tip template (http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip), and the second tip uses the Template:Tip2 template (http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Tip2). Requested Actions = Please take a look at these tips, decide which one you prefer, and then provide constructive criticism for that tip's format. There's no such thing as a dumb comment. I much prefer VimTip1 v2. Whether just browsing tips or reading tips I've searched for, I want to be able to read it quickly without having to scan through a bunch of boilerplate. I would even advocate a Synopsis line that would summarize the tip if the title didn't already do so. I like having the meta data collected as it is in one line at the bottom of the tip: it's concise and in an unobtrusive yet consistent and easy-to-find location. In the table of contents, each tip really needs to have the title alongside its number. The first page, http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTest, is lacking that, unless the names there (e.g., VimTip123) are just place holders for real titles. I really don't want to have to load each tip page one at a time to browse the latest contributions. My $0.02. Regards, Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mobile Broadband Division | Spokane, Washington, USA
