Re: LC II

2005-12-17 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- John Niven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
clip
 The LC outputs a combined sync so you cannot do this
 with the on-board video.
clip

You can if you're willing to spend more than your
whole LC
system is worth on a monitor adaptor that splits the
synch
signals. ;)


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Re: LC II

2005-12-16 Thread NODEraser
What settings did you use on the adapter? I have one of those
ViewSonic ones that they gave away for free...

On 12/15/05, Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've got an original LC sitting right here next to me and it works
 fine with a 20 Sony Trinitron, standard VGA connector.  It runs it
 at 640 x 480 x 8, to be sure, which makes for some really freaking
 HUGE icons, but aside from that it works fine.  The adaptor is one of
 those suckers full of dip-switches for various resolutions, currently
 set to the params for support of multisynch monitors.  The LC will
 drive it at 512 x 342 as well as 640 x 480.

 At 6:18 PM -0800 12/14/05, NODEraser wrote:
 To my experience, the video adapters won't work at all with the older
 LC series. You need a genuine Apple RGB monitor.
 


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Re: LC II

2005-12-16 Thread Scott Baret
Has anyone ever had success with a modern LCD display
on an LC? That would be AWESOME...

Does your ViewSonic adapter have any details on it
about settings? Did it come with a manual? And most
importantly, does anyone know if these settings are
universal (so once we find out what they used on that
20 Sony I can try it wtih my 17 Sony)

Scott

--- NODEraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What settings did you use on the adapter? I have one
 of those
 ViewSonic ones that they gave away for free...
 
 On 12/15/05, Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I've got an original LC sitting right here next to
 me and it works
  fine with a 20 Sony Trinitron, standard VGA
 connector.  It runs it
  at 640 x 480 x 8, to be sure, which makes for some
 really freaking
  HUGE icons, but aside from that it works fine. 
 The adaptor is one of
  those suckers full of dip-switches for various
 resolutions, currently
  set to the params for support of multisynch
 monitors.  The LC will
  drive it at 512 x 342 as well as 640 x 480.
 
  At 6:18 PM -0800 12/14/05, NODEraser wrote:
  To my experience, the video adapters won't work
 at all with the older
  LC series. You need a genuine Apple RGB monitor.
  
 
 
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Re: LC II

2005-12-16 Thread John Niven
I'm looking out for a reasonably priced 15 lcd display because the 
natural resolution is 1024 x 768. That should
work with the Radius 8XJ NuBus video card in my Mac IIfx! I want to see 
OS 6 on an LCD!


BTW I modified the Radius card by first de-soldering the Mac video 
connector. I then used one of the blank Nubus metal plates found on Mac 
II NuBus slots to mount a PC-type VGA D15 socket onto the card. I used 
copper wires to re-route the original D connector traces to the correct 
ones on the new socket. Now I have an OS 6 compatible Nubus video card 
with a modern VGA socket on it :-)  Has the same effect as using one of 
those video dongels but it's neater!


 I did have this working on my wife's 17 Sharp LCD but the natural 
resolution of a 17 is 1280 x 1024 which the card can't  do, so a 17 
is a waste of money (anyway my wife wouldn't let me steal it :-( - she 
uses it for her BW G3 tower).


The LC outputs a combined sync so you cannot do this with the on-board 
video.


Anybody know where to buy 15 LCDs for cheap?

John

On Dec 16, 2005, at 1:38 PM, Scott Baret wrote:


Has anyone ever had success with a modern LCD display
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Re: LC II

2005-12-16 Thread Allan Hunter
Mine's a Total TechnologiesĀ© UnimacĀ adapter with 
8 DIP switches on row A and 8 more on row B.  A2 
and A3 are on, as is B7, everything else is off. 
I was wrong about it displaying resolution 
options (at least under System 6), it just 
defaults to 640 x 480.



http://home.earthlink.net/~ahunter/Upload_Download/LC_wSony.jpg

Note that the 20 Sony doesn't use all of its 
available terrain when driven at 640 x 480.



At 12:59 PM -0800 12/16/05, NODEraser wrote:

What settings did you use on the adapter? I have one of those
ViewSonic ones that they gave away for free...

On 12/15/05, Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've got an original LC sitting right here next to me and it works
 fine with a 20 Sony Trinitron, standard VGA connector.  It runs it
 at 640 x 480 x 8, to be sure, which makes for some really freaking
 HUGE icons, but aside from that it works fine.  The adaptor is one of
 those suckers full of dip-switches for various resolutions, currently
 set to the params for support of multisynch monitors.  The LC will
 drive it at 512 x 342 as well as 640 x 480.

 At 6:18 PM -0800 12/14/05, NODEraser wrote:
 To my experience, the video adapters won't work at all with the older
 LC series. You need a genuine Apple RGB monitor.
 

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Re: LC II

2005-12-15 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- NODEraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To my experience, the video adapters won't work at
 all with the older
 LC series. You need a genuine Apple RGB monitor.

Some of the older multi frequency monitors (NEC
MultiSync in
particular) with BNC and DB9* or HD15 connectors can
be switched
between seperate synch or synch on green, thus will
work on an
older Mac with a simple sense pin switching adaptor.
ISTR laying eyes on one with a seperate switch for Mac
mode.

The other solution is an adaptor that can split the
synch
signal from the green output to use a monitor with
seperate
synch line. I think there are ones other than the $$$
one
made by Griffin.
Then of course the monitor must support the Mac's
scan frequencies, which are slightly off from what
PCs use
at those resolutions. (Then there's the totally
un-PC 832x624
resolution.)

*Only 8 wires are needed for analog RGB monitors. Some
early
VGA monitors used a DB9 on the monitor with a 9 to
HD15 pin
cable for connecting to a PC's VGA card or a 9 to DB15
cable for Macintosh, or flip a switch and use a 9 to 9
cable for
connecting to a text only, Hercules, CGA or EGA TTL
type PC
videocard.

What is a bit difficult is finding one of those all in
one
monitors (with or without TTL video support) that has
a .28
dot pitch CRT. Lots of them were .3 or worse and have
horrible
picture quality.

I have an NEC MultiSynch with BNC connectors,
It's out in the storage building, in the freezing
cold, so I'm
not gonna run out and report back on what all other
connectors
and switches it has, or if it supports TTL. I do know
it's
one with at least a .28 dot pitch CRT, but in the
several times
I've searched, I never could find any info about the
model number.
I think I might have used it with my IIci with Turbo
601.
It was my bench monitor for a long time, but it
couldn't support
higher refresh rates, and it slews the picture
sideways with
different resolutions. (Handy-dandy horizontal
adjustment
knob right on the front!)

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Re: LC II

2005-12-15 Thread Allan Hunter
I've got an original LC sitting right here next to me and it works 
fine with a 20 Sony Trinitron, standard VGA connector.  It runs it 
at 640 x 480 x 8, to be sure, which makes for some really freaking 
HUGE icons, but aside from that it works fine.  The adaptor is one of 
those suckers full of dip-switches for various resolutions, currently 
set to the params for support of multisynch monitors.  The LC will 
drive it at 512 x 342 as well as 640 x 480.


At 6:18 PM -0800 12/14/05, NODEraser wrote:

To my experience, the video adapters won't work at all with the older
LC series. You need a genuine Apple RGB monitor.




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Re: LC II

2005-12-14 Thread Tim Cowper
onboard video, and thanks for the info about monitors.
I was plugging in a multisync AOC monitor. Guess I'll
be looking for a different adapter.
Tim

--- Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- Tim Cowper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I have an lc ii that I bought as a hobby computer.
  When I go to start it, all I get is the opening
 bars
  of the twilight zone and no video output at all.
  I've
  replaced the system battery and nothing has
 changed.
  It came with an 80 meg hard drive, floppy,
 keyboard,
  and mouse all of which power up and seem to work.
  Any
  ideas of what to check for next?
 
 Is the monitor plugged into the onboard video or a
 PDS
 card?
 
 What monitor is it? The LCII onboard video requires
 one that
 supports sync-on-green, with specific pins connected
 (sense pins)
 that tell the Mac which single resolution the
 monitor
 supports.
 
 In the early years of Macintosh, all Mac monitors
 displayed
 at exactly 72 dots per inch. To do that, each size
 of
 monitor was fixed to a single resolution so to get
 more pixels,
 you had to get a bigger monitor.
 
 When NEC introduced MultiSynch monitors to the PC
 world, Mac
 videocard makers soon supported them. Apple went
 meh
 and
 stuck with fixed resolution monitors for a while
 longer.
 
 There is a cure for the older Macs. Several
 companies
 made various
 DB15 to HD15 adaptors with either a row of DIP
 switches or a
 rotary knob to trick the Mac into thinking a fix
 resolution
 with sense pins monitor was connected. Only the more
 expensive
 ones would make a monitor with seperate synch work
 with the
 Macs that require synch-on-green.
 
 I think Griffin still makes the best of the monitor
 adaptors.
 It can connect almost any multisync monitor to any
 Mac
 that
 doesn't directly support them. Unfortunately Griffin
 is very
 proud of their gizmo and wants around $50 for one.
 
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Re: LC II

2005-12-14 Thread Tim Cowper
A few answers !
1. I am using onboard video, but was just educated
about early mac monitors. Guess I need an adapter for
my 14 inch AOC multisync.
2. RAM has never been upgraded from what was in it
when I purchased it. I have removed the chips to see
if a bad chip was the source of the problem. Still the
same result when they are not on the board.
3. I didn't bump anything that I know of. The battery
is very easy to get to and there is nothing nearby
that I can remember touching when I changed it.

The only other thing I can think of change wise from
the standpoint of upgrades is that at sometime an
ethernet card was installed in the computer prior to
my purchasing it and is still there.
Tim

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 A few questions.
 
 1. Are you using onboard video or a card?
 2. Have you upgraded the RAM lately?
 3. Did you bump anything when you changed the
 battery?
 
 Scott
 
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  I have an lc ii that I bought as a hobby computer.
  When I go to start it, all I get is the opening
 bars
  of the twilight zone and no video output at all.
  I've
  replaced the system battery and nothing has
 changed.
  It came with an 80 meg hard drive, floppy,
 keyboard,
  and mouse all of which power up and seem to work.
  Any
  ideas of what to check for next?
  
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Re: LC II

2005-12-14 Thread NODEraser
To my experience, the video adapters won't work at all with the older
LC series. You need a genuine Apple RGB monitor.

On 12/14/05, Tim Cowper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A few answers !
 1. I am using onboard video, but was just educated
 about early mac monitors. Guess I need an adapter for
 my 14 inch AOC multisync.
 2. RAM has never been upgraded from what was in it
 when I purchased it. I have removed the chips to see
 if a bad chip was the source of the problem. Still the
 same result when they are not on the board.
 3. I didn't bump anything that I know of. The battery
 is very easy to get to and there is nothing nearby
 that I can remember touching when I changed it.

 The only other thing I can think of change wise from
 the standpoint of upgrades is that at sometime an
 ethernet card was installed in the computer prior to
 my purchasing it and is still there.
 Tim

 --- Scott Baret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  A few questions.
 
  1. Are you using onboard video or a card?
  2. Have you upgraded the RAM lately?
  3. Did you bump anything when you changed the
  battery?
 
  Scott
 
  --- Tim Cowper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I have an lc ii that I bought as a hobby computer.
   When I go to start it, all I get is the opening
  bars
   of the twilight zone and no video output at all.
   I've
   replaced the system battery and nothing has
  changed.
   It came with an 80 meg hard drive, floppy,
  keyboard,
   and mouse all of which power up and seem to work.
   Any
   ideas of what to check for next?
  
   Thanks,
   Tim
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Re: LC II

2005-12-13 Thread Scott Baret
A few questions.

1. Are you using onboard video or a card?
2. Have you upgraded the RAM lately?
3. Did you bump anything when you changed the battery?

Scott

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 I have an lc ii that I bought as a hobby computer.
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 I've
 replaced the system battery and nothing has changed.
 It came with an 80 meg hard drive, floppy, keyboard,
 and mouse all of which power up and seem to work.
 Any
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Re: LC II

2005-12-13 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- Tim Cowper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have an lc ii that I bought as a hobby computer.
 When I go to start it, all I get is the opening bars
 of the twilight zone and no video output at all.
 I've
 replaced the system battery and nothing has changed.
 It came with an 80 meg hard drive, floppy, keyboard,
 and mouse all of which power up and seem to work.
 Any
 ideas of what to check for next?

Is the monitor plugged into the onboard video or a PDS
card?

What monitor is it? The LCII onboard video requires
one that
supports sync-on-green, with specific pins connected
(sense pins)
that tell the Mac which single resolution the monitor
supports.

In the early years of Macintosh, all Mac monitors
displayed
at exactly 72 dots per inch. To do that, each size of
monitor was fixed to a single resolution so to get
more pixels,
you had to get a bigger monitor.

When NEC introduced MultiSynch monitors to the PC
world, Mac
videocard makers soon supported them. Apple went meh
and
stuck with fixed resolution monitors for a while
longer.

There is a cure for the older Macs. Several companies
made various
DB15 to HD15 adaptors with either a row of DIP
switches or a
rotary knob to trick the Mac into thinking a fix
resolution
with sense pins monitor was connected. Only the more
expensive
ones would make a monitor with seperate synch work
with the
Macs that require synch-on-green.

I think Griffin still makes the best of the monitor
adaptors.
It can connect almost any multisync monitor to any Mac
that
doesn't directly support them. Unfortunately Griffin
is very
proud of their gizmo and wants around $50 for one.

It will be total Fandemonium!
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Re: LC II as a server?

2003-08-28 Thread Marten van de Kraats
An LC or an LCII makes a great little headless server.  To get around the
need for a monitor to boot, I made a small flat-bottomed U-shaped jumper
out of a paperclip, just large enough to short pins #7 and #10 on the
monitor connector.  That makes it think a 640x480 display is attached.
I don't know how ASCII-art will look on your system
but it sorta looks like this: |___|
I tried this but it I can't get it to work. Maybe I've got the wrong 
pins #7 and #10.  Am I counting them the wrong way?

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Re: LC II as a server?

2003-08-28 Thread Bob C.
Hi Marten,

I guess more ASCII-art is in order!:-)

Looking at the *back* of my LC that has the video jumper in place between
pins 7 and 10:

Pins are numbered from  RIGHT  to  LEFT:

8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
o X o o o o o o  (The X's mark the two pin-holes that are jumpered)
 o o o o o X o
 1 1 1 1 1 1 9 --- (those read  15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9  in that
order)
 5 4 3 2 1 0

NOTE  that I also put a piece of electrical tape as an insulator on the
exposed flat part of the jumper.

Bob


- Original Message - From: Marten van de Kraats
 I tried this but it I can't get it to work. Maybe I've got the wrong
 pins #7 and #10.  Am I counting them the wrong way?

 Marten

(I had written earlier:)
 An LC or an LCII makes a great little headless server.  To get around the
 need for a monitor to boot, I made a small flat-bottomed U-shaped
jumper
 out of a paperclip, just large enough to short pins #7 and #10 on the
 monitor connector.  That makes it think a 640x480 display is attached.
 
 I don't know how ASCII-art will look on your system
 but it sorta looks like this: |___|




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Re: LC II as a server?

2003-08-28 Thread Clark Martin
At 5:33 AM +0200 8/28/03, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
An LC or an LCII makes a great little headless server.  To get around the
need for a monitor to boot, I made a small flat-bottomed U-shaped jumper
out of a paperclip, just large enough to short pins #7 and #10 on the
monitor connector.  That makes it think a 640x480 display is attached.
I don't know how ASCII-art will look on your system
but it sorta looks like this: |___|
I tried this but it I can't get it to work. Maybe I've got the wrong 
pins #7 and #10.  Am I counting them the wrong way?


Look really closely, the pin numbers should be readable, possibly 
with magnification.

Try pins 4 and 11.  I just checked and that is what I've used for 640x480.
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Re: LC II as a server?

2003-08-28 Thread Bob C.
Hi Clark,

Pins 4 and 11, huh?   That's quite interesting.   My choice of shorting pins
7 and 10 was from information gleaned from Apple, at:

Technical Note HW08:http://developer.apple.com/technotes/hw/hw_08.html

Video Pinouts:   http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=9089

Bob


- Original Message - From: Clark Martin Look really closely, the
pin numbers should be readable, possibly
 with magnification.

 Try pins 4 and 11.  I just checked and that is what I've used for 640x480.
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Re: LC II as a server?

2003-08-28 Thread Winston S. Brown
Actually, my LC II works without any jumpers installed. I have a setting
wrong in the networking.
Does anyone know how I can shut it down cleanly without a monitor on it? Any
remote tools available at 7.5.5?
Thanks,
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At 5:33 AM +0200 8/28/03, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
An LC or an LCII makes a great little headless server.  To get around the
need for a monitor to boot, I made a small flat-bottomed U-shaped jumper
out of a paperclip, just large enough to short pins #7 and #10 on the
monitor connector.  That makes it think a 640x480 display is attached.

I don't know how ASCII-art will look on your system
but it sorta looks like this: |___|

I tried this but it I can't get it to work. Maybe I've got the wrong 
pins #7 and #10.  Am I counting them the wrong way?


Look really closely, the pin numbers should be readable, possibly 
with magnification.

Try pins 4 and 11.  I just checked and that is what I've used for 640x480.
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Re: LC II as a server?

2003-08-28 Thread Marten van de Kraats
pin 7 and 10 work for me. Thanks, Bob. Now I can finally put my 
fanless LC to work as a server. Since sleeper puts the hard disk to 
snooze after only one minute it truly is a silent server that only 
awakens when it is called for duty.

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Re: LC II as a server?

2003-08-28 Thread Winston S. Brown
What is sleeper?

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pin 7 and 10 work for me. Thanks, Bob. Now I can finally put my 
fanless LC to work as a server. Since sleeper puts the hard disk to 
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awakens when it is called for duty.

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Re: LC II as a server?

2003-08-28 Thread Marten van de Kraats
What is sleeper?
That is a control panel that allows you to have the hard disk set to 
sleep automatically.  This way you can reduce heat, noise and energy 
usage.

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Re: LC II as a server?

2003-08-23 Thread J.S. Garrison
on 8/23/03 6:47 AM, Winston S. Brown at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,
 I have an LC II laying around and I was looking to build it up as a server.
 I have no monitor or keyboard for it. Is it possible to run a headless LC
 II? Any special things I need to do to get this to work?
 Also, any suggestions for the OS? I have 7.5.3 and 7.5.5 on disk to load but
 read somewhere that 6 is the way to go.
 Thanks,
 Winston


I have an army of those beasts. As I remember, and my memory sucks, it will
refuse to boot headless, unless you screw some kind of monitor connector
into it's port.

Otherwise, why-the-heck-not?! That LC II would make a dandy print or file
server.


Jeff


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Re: LC II as a server?

2003-08-23 Thread Bob C.
An LC or an LCII makes a great little headless server.  To get around the
need for a monitor to boot, I made a small flat-bottomed U-shaped jumper
out of a paperclip, just large enough to short pins #7 and #10 on the
monitor connector.  That makes it think a 640x480 display is attached.

I don't know how ASCII-art will look on your system
but it sorta looks like this: |___|

Bob

- Original Message - From: J.S. Garrison
 I have an army of those beasts. As I remember, and my memory sucks, it
will
 refuse to boot headless, unless you screw some kind of monitor connector
 into it's port.

 Otherwise, why-the-heck-not?! That LC II would make a dandy print or file
 server.

 Jeff



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