Re: [Vo]:ICCF-17: Brillouin is no more?
Finlay, good to hear, my response to Jed did not get through. I would be interested how You see this from a Canadian perspective. So here it is: --- ok, Canadian immigration does not care, who immigrates. 1) On this level it is just about the rules. Pay yor dough, be compliant, pass basic tests. No problem here. 2) On a higher level, say Canadian secret service, it is about risk assessment. Could the immigrant be a risk to the nation, whatever that is? DGT very well be maybe a new type of national risk. They may very well be asleep at the wheel, and not recognize this. 3) The next level would be DGT starting operations within CDN, plus being successful, which wakes up the institutions. 4) On the next level it gets political. Even a moderate chess-player like myself could anticipate these moves. If you do not anticipate, you are on the losing street. So what happens next? 5) Here we enter the domain of the probable, where I speculate, that the Harper-government would step in and limit DGTG-in-CDN operations, as soon as it gets effective. The fossile-energy lobby in CDN is probably the biggest in the country. Considering this, DGT would be well advised to stay in Greece, where law and lobby-interests are weak, -only corruption there- and not operate near the belly of the energy-beast, which will fight teeth and claw to prevent energy-revolution. Probabilistic in this sense: that a chess player enters the domain of future moves, where nothing is certain, but (im-)probable. The parameter-space of chess is tiny compared to real life, as we all know, and the way to reduce degrees of freedom is common sense. Finally: Considering this, DGTs move seems to be a bad move to me. But I might be wrong. Such is my -ahem- probabilistic thinking. The beauty: I will never be disappointed. I eventually just lose. But this is the nature of the game. I just modify probabilities next time, if there is a 'next time' ;) Guenter Von: Finlay MacNab finlaymac...@hotmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 22:51 Freitag, 27.Juli 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:ICCF-17: Brillouin is no more? As a research scientist working for a solar start-up in Vancouver, I agree with Jed. It would be wonderful if Defkalion moved here. I would love to nanostructure some nickel for them! Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:48:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:ICCF-17: Brillouin is no more? From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: I am very aware of possible positive effects of this move. My main argument is probabilistic. I am not sure what probabilistic means in this context. But in any case, your statement about how the Canadian government might refuse to allow an incorporation is nonsense. The law does not permit that. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly...
Eric, Your calculations are correct, but present a problem. At least to me. It is very easy to generate a broad spectrum with a peak of some 30THz. Just heat up your cooking plate, so to say. The problem -to my opinion- is twofold: a) spatial: Any emitter has a certain area-density of emission. and the best we can do is concentrate this emission onto the receiver 1:1, on said area basis. The sun being a good example. Surface-temperature of the sun being say 5000K. You never can surpass this temperature at the receiving side (via a burning glass or concentrating mirror). Emitters like the sun or a heating plate are variants of Lambert-emitters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamberts_cosine_law To collect all those emissions, you need a big lens, especially if emitter and receiver are whithin close distance (unlike the sun) b) spectral now, if You want say 30--30.1THz, you cut out only a small segment of the whole emission. The smaller the interval of interest, the smaller the amount of energy within that, right? If You translate this to area-density, You get uW to mW at best per mm2. Now, to overcome this, you need a generator, like a Laser or some other electronic device (RF-generator) with an antenna, which would look quite cute, like a wood of nanowires. Now in the 30THz regime there are no generators, only Lasers. (Electronic generators in the 30GHz regime are quite a feat currently. And those are extremely low power. See eg LeCroy, the oscilloscope-manufacturer. They try to conquer the 100Ghz regime, which is 0.1THz, a meager factor of 300 below 30THz. ) THz lasers (say: 5THz) of significant power are a research topic. Google High power THz Laser and You see what I mean. The highest I could see is a theoretical power of 100W with efficiency in the 1%-region. So this is not an attractive option. As a final comment: To bring a nanostrucure into resonance needs, say a certain specific frequency with a bandwidth of 1%. This is just a reasonable guess. All other frequencies present possibly/probably -I do not know- HINDER/PREVENT the effect! The philosopher in me sees this as a feature, not a bug in the construction of the Universe. In the other case it would have exploded long time ago, So the stability of the universe, as we experience it, is a living proof for affairs as they are. A tautology this is. This is not quite the same as the anthropic principle, but some close relative. Tricking this is a nifty endeavor. Guenter Von: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 4:56 Freitag, 27.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:FYI: THz pulses can drive lattice vibrations directly... On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: guys, whatever that is, do You really think that Rossi put something like that into real world commercial operation? THz pulses with significant energy? From my reading I've concluded that THz is basically infrared. Sometimes I've seen a distinction made between it and infrared, and at other times I have not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Light_spectrum.svg An application on a Web page is telling me that the blackbody radiation for an object at 300 C (573 K) is 30 THz, with a lower limit of 24 THz and an upper limit of 37 THz. So 300 C would seem to be the goldilocks zone as far as terahertz radiation is concerned. You don't need a fancy terahertz RF pulse device; you just heat something up. Eric
RE: [Vo]:FYI: A New Model for Matter, Space and Energy
BAE-Inter-Universe M-Brane=1E PHOTONIC Helicoid Wave String eg. 'One-Quantum Photon' wave-crest to wave-crest=1E x C=EC M=EC^2=1H speed-density/EM-frequency aka ONE-PROTON ELECTRO VALENT SHELL(quantum-electron) HYDROGEN MASS AexoDarkSpace BAE=EC^2 x C=(AE=EC^3) @ Universe Perimeter = Galaxy/Mass times Light-Speed (Per A.Einstein Saul Perlmutter) =Mega Gamma Ray Burster eg. Every proton micro-singularity speed-densifies into full Black-Hole Status simultaneously with-also Galactic Hub Singularity speed-densifies to Full Black-Hole Status aka MEGA GAMMA RAY BURSTER as ALL MASSRE-INGRESSES into Parent-Parallel AexoDarkSpace-HyperSpace at UNIVERSE PERIMETER/MASS x LIGHT-SPEED egress into AexoDarkSpace/HyperSpace boundry. SHORT SWEET: Who denounces theory without courage nor benefit of neither analysis nor 'real' disproofs(other than cowardly disdain) merely speaks from arrogance conceit; otherwise known as ' The height of ignorance.' (A. Einstein) And this 'road less traveled by' is where 'discovery' truely lies my friend. . . THIS MODEL however ALSO is attended with 'ample proofs' starting with HUBBLE DISCOVERING THE OUTWARD BOUND ACCELERATING GALAXIES that the 'above' MODEL alone predicted.(FACT call Whitt Brantley @ NASA and ask him) and confirmed by SAUL PERLMUTTER'S brilliantly engineered 'Super-Nova/MEGA GAMMA RAY BURSTER survey' also confirmed. . . And by the by, Prof. Hawking's BIG-CRUNCH NOTIONS were also PUBLICALLY LAID TO REST by this 'model' etc. etc. etc. Adieu my friend. . . Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:16:53 -0400 From: vorl@antichef.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: A New Model for Matter, Space and Energy ! ! ! CONGRATULATIONS Mr. M. A. B. Garstin; you NAILED IT! ! ! This suggests that the constitution of a proton is, in fact, simply EM radiation at energy levels above that of gamma. big snip Amazing. 600 words or so without a break; not, I admit, that I would have read all of them in any form. Another edit-challenged poster to the killfile. Hit the road Jack.
[Vo]:Take this with a grain of salt
In several recent papers, R. Mills and associates have quietly introduced a surprising catalyst, which curiously has not elicited much online comment. (unless I missed it). I should not say a catalyst but two common chemicals which are joined at the hip, so to speak, having important connotations for the 'big picture'. Specifically the two catalysts are HCl and NaH . They were not mentioned in the original patent applications or papers from the nineties, and in fact sodium was used as a control in prior papers - but lately these two have been included as revisions ... catalysts that apparently work, despite requiring a squeeze-fit to theory. As we have noted before on Vortex, about half the periodic table can be shoehorned into the definition of a Mills, catalyst since this does not depend on either a precise fit nor sequential ionization. Consequently, all permutations of ionization potential are permissible to make the energy hole, with the result that there are likely to be fewer non-catalysts than Mills' catalysts in nature. In short, if it works in practice, the theory will morph to accommodate it. How convenient! but that does not necessarily make it completely wrong, just overly broad. Consider the first and most notable of these catalysts: potassium ... which has been a bit of mystery as to Rydberg fit, until an alternative M.O. was discovered. The fact that K does not seem to fit into Mills theory at the lowest level of 27.2 eV is, on the surface, a bit disconcerting. This was the first catalyst which was proved to work, and logically should be the easiest to accommodate into the theory at the lowest shrinkage level. Thermacore and others discovered over the past 22 years that it does work. BTW, potassium also turns up in the Rossi SEM spectra, which he included in his first patent application, apparently not realizing that there are scanners which can analyze the line data, even on a photocopy. Anyway, K has three ionization potentials: 4.3eV, 31.6eV and 45.8 eV and the combination of all of them is 81.8eV which is a Rydberg multiple that is within range. That is, since 27.2*3 + 81.6eV... voila.. and Mills early-on stated that this is the catalytic hole. On the surface that might seem to be end of story (if you are naive) ... but there is the little problem that triple ionization of potassium only happens at about a million degrees C. No way is Boltzmann's tail that long in electrolysis, in particular; and no way will hydrogen be monatomic at the same time that K is triple-ionized. However, Mills theory is at times insightful - yet since it is so inaccurate in many places that we should not be bound by every detail - and it can be argued that there exists an easier route to the lowest Rydberg multiple using potassium, if we ditch some of the baggage. This is emblematic of the problem that Mills will face, should he need to defend the patent in court. To simplify: an easy first-level route for gain in K is found in the apparent ionization difference found in the outer two valence electron levels 4.3eV and 31.6eV, which equal 27.3eV as a subtraction. This is a good fit but it is a subtraction, meaning it is dependent on the lowest potential electron staying in place, while a much more tightly bound electron is removed - which is most problematic for Mills' theory. How does this kind of hole happen, and secondly how can monatomic hydrogen get to it? Two miracles required. Best answer: it doesn't happen the way Mills' theory suggests. The easy route happens is with a proton, and NOT with monatomic hydrogen, so this does not jive with Mills' theory. Thus, the more likely explanation (than the million degree thermal excursion to support CQM) is that a proton will tunnel on occasion to capture the inner electron in potassium's 3p shell, where it then becomes monatomic in situ having caused the deeper ionization at the exactly the same time - and the self-made 'hole' if it appears at is all in the process, is fleeting - and this is followed by a small Auger cascade. The proton does not even need to be hot, since it can benefit from a Coulomb sling-shot effect. Mills is apparently completely blind to this QM tunneling route, since he must defend the monatomic explanation in order to have any chance of showing novelty and propping up patents that are probably nearly worthless against another deep pocket innovator. Yet, if an electron at that Rydberg level IP is redundant and resonant at all, it makes no sense that it could happen only in the way CQM suggests and not in a quantum mechanical tunneling event. Anyway, back to table salt and the fact that the oceans of Earth contain zillions of tons of this putative proto-catalyst (NaCl when rearranged and ionized will provide both HCl and NaH on a temporary basis), and salt of course ionizes easily in an aqueous environment. When exposed to solar and cosmic radiation (assuming that HCl and NaH are indeed catalysts of f/H) and with ample
[Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market?
Hello group, It looks like there will be soon a new player in the LENR market, scientifically backed by a known researcher in the LENR field: dr. Francesco Celani. This new player is called Kresenn Ltd. It appears to be a UK-based company, although only Italian people appear to be currently affiliated with it, according to the information available in their website. Have a look at this anyway (make sure to check out the accompanying photo as well): http://www.kresenn.com/#!lenr We are one of the first companies in the world devoted to the development and commercialization of applications based on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR). We are currently cooperating with dr.Francesco Celani, Vice-President of International Society of Condensed Matter, in developing a test reactor of new design based on a completely new type of catalyst. At Kresenn we are working to develop a unified theory for LENR based on the study of nanomagnetism in ultrathin films, multilayers and nanostructures. And also, in the Products page: The first product that will be using LENR technology will be a container based power module to be used with portable datacenters or in other scenarios in which independent energy production is required. Details of the module will be disclosed soon and it should be ready for the market in Q1 2013. Q1 2013 seems quite close for a completely new company to be ready for the market in a completely new and unexplored field. I wonder if others will join the LENR market in the meantime. The more, the merrier! Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Take this with a grain of salt
Jones, very impressive, but I understood next to nothing. Now Mills produced a voluminous body of alternative theory, which wikipedia rightly cites as ...One of the motivations for developing the novel theory was to find physical laws that are EXACT ON ALL SCALES, thereby [overcoming] the limitations of quantum mechanics... I do not feel qualified to challenge the case. Anyway: So to challenge the 'exactness' brings down the whole theory? Am I being naive here? Could You elaborate? What is your thinking? all the best Guenter Von: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 18:48 Samstag, 28.Juli 2012 Betreff: [Vo]:Take this with a grain of salt In several recent papers, R. Mills and associates have quietly introduced a surprising catalyst, which curiously has not elicited much online comment. (unless I missed it). ...
Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market?
On 2012-07-28 19:27, Akira Shirakawa wrote: I wonder if others will join the LENR market in the meantime. Here I meant to write: the rush to market. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market?
Wow another web site and a po box full of bulls... ahem free energy promises. What are they're selling ? A cheap copy of Rossi's stuff ? 2012/7/28 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2012-07-28 19:27, Akira Shirakawa wrote: I wonder if others will join the LENR market in the meantime. Here I meant to write: the rush to market. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market?
wow! A woman. Reality invading? This is a men's world! ..At Kresenn we are working to develop a unified theory for LENR based on the study of nanomagnetism in ultrathin films, multilayers and nanostructures. ... Theory-development is now not a matter of science any more, but of REAL MEN in the corporate world. I waited for this one. PHANtastic! G. Von: Susanna Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:48 Samstag, 28.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market? Wow another web site and a po box full of bulls... ahem free energy promises. What are they're selling ? A cheap copy of Rossi's stuff ? 2012/7/28 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2012-07-28 19:27, Akira Shirakawa wrote: I wonder if others will join the LENR market in the meantime. Here I meant to write: the rush to market. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market?
Their business model makes no sense to me. Cold fusion has nothing to do with data centers. You cannot be expert in two unrelated fields at the same time. There is no reason to think that cold fusion energy should be distributed the way data from data centers are. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market?
On 2012-07-28 19:48, Susanna Gipp wrote: Wow another web site and a po box full of bulls... ahem free energy promises. What are they're selling ? A cheap copy of Rossi's stuff ? On a more serious note, after checking out a few things, it appears this website isn't as fresh as I thought. Apparently it's been online since mid-2011. By the way, I find that portions of what can be found in the Articles section are rather inconveniently written, at least for a company supposed to be taken seriously. http://www.kresenn.com/#!articles Anyway, if this isn't a newly opened website, somehow it managed to elude LENR blogosphere exposure until recently. I've never read anything before about it, the company, or Celani's involvement with it, either. Assuming that the website has been left unchanged since its inception, Q1-2013 is getting closer and its owners might want to clarify ASAP its status, if there are any news or what happened with their collaboration with Francesco Celani (I was under the impression he was struggling trying to obtain research funds). Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market?
Susanna, supposing that You do not have have some Y chromosomes: ... roughly half of humans (females) do not have Y chromosomes Consider this (James Brown): This is a man's world, this is a man's world But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl You see, man made the cars to take us over the road Man made the trains to carry heavy loads Man made electric light to take us out of the dark Man made the boat for the water, like Noah made the ark This is a man's, a man's, a man's world But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl Man thinks about a little baby girls and a baby boys Man makes then happy 'cause man makes them toys And after man has made everything, everything he can You know that man makes money to buy from other man This is a man's world But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl He's lost in the wilderness He's lost in bitterness - See. Men are quite sensible, but in their own way. regards G. Von: Susanna Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:48 Samstag, 28.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market? Wow another web site and a po box full of bulls... ahem free energy promises. What are they're selling ? A cheap copy of Rossi's stuff ? 2012/7/28 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2012-07-28 19:27, Akira Shirakawa wrote: I wonder if others will join the LENR market in the meantime. Here I meant to write: the rush to market. Cheers, S.A.
RE: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market?
Jed: I get the impression that you think they are selling the energy. no, they are proposing using the LENR-energy units to power the Data Centers. which are very power-hungry, and that power makes up the majority of their ongoing operating costs. Servers and HVAC alone make it ~75% of energy use, and average electrical demand is 40W/sq.ft. -Mark From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:31 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market? Their business model makes no sense to me. Cold fusion has nothing to do with data centers. You cannot be expert in two unrelated fields at the same time. There is no reason to think that cold fusion energy should be distributed the way data from data centers are. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market?
Akira, a very sensible retreat. I would welcome a female voice here. So I tried to encourage Susanna to chime in. This is NOT merely a men's world! (Listen to James Brown) Any discussion which is purely by men is suspicious by definition! G. Von: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 20:34 Samstag, 28.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market? On 2012-07-28 19:48, Susanna Gipp wrote: Wow another web site and a po box full of bulls... ahem free energy promises. What are they're selling ? A cheap copy of Rossi's stuff ? On a more serious note, after checking out a few things, it appears this website isn't as fresh as I thought. Apparently it's been online since mid-2011. By the way, I find that portions of what can be found in the Articles section are rather inconveniently written, at least for a company supposed to be taken seriously. http://www.kresenn.com/#!articles Anyway, if this isn't a newly opened website, somehow it managed to elude LENR blogosphere exposure until recently. I've never read anything before about it, the company, or Celani's involvement with it, either. Assuming that the website has been left unchanged since its inception, Q1-2013 is getting closer and its owners might want to clarify ASAP its status, if there are any news or what happened with their collaboration with Francesco Celani (I was under the impression he was struggling trying to obtain research funds). Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market?
On 2012-07-28 20:30, Jed Rothwell wrote: Their business model makes no sense to me. Cold fusion has nothing to do with data centers. You cannot be expert in two unrelated fields at the same time.[...] Yep. After a more detailed look (which perhaps I should have given before posting), there are also other things in that website which strike me odd. Hopefully, since it appears even you weren't aware of this company, some of the involved people will step forward to clarify. Or, somebody could ask them directly, instead. Their contact info is public. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:ICCF-17: Brillouin is no more?
David Nygren was so kind to send me this: http://lenrnews.eu/?p=309 Fran Tanzella ill make the Brillouin presentation. Peter On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.comwrote: Finlay, good to hear, my response to Jed did not get through. I would be interested how You see this from a Canadian perspective. So here it is: --- ok, Canadian immigration does not care, who immigrates. 1) On this level it is just about the rules. Pay yor dough, be compliant, pass basic tests. No problem here. 2) On a higher level, say Canadian secret service, it is about risk assessment. Could the immigrant be a risk to the nation, whatever that is? DGT very well be maybe a new type of national risk. They may very well be asleep at the wheel, and not recognize this. 3) The next level would be DGT starting operations within CDN, plus being successful, which wakes up the institutions. 4) On the next level it gets political. Even a moderate chess-player like myself could anticipate these moves. If you do not anticipate, you are on the losing street. So what happens next? 5) Here we enter the domain of the probable, where I speculate, that the Harper-government would step in and limit DGTG-in-CDN operations, as soon as it gets effective. The fossile-energy lobby in CDN is probably the biggest in the country. Considering this, DGT would be well advised to stay in Greece, where law and lobby-interests are weak, -only corruption there- and not operate near the belly of the energy-beast, which will fight teeth and claw to prevent energy-revolution. Probabilistic in this sense: that a chess player enters the domain of future moves, where nothing is certain, but (im-)probable. The parameter-space of chess is tiny compared to real life, as we all know, and the way to reduce degrees of freedom is common sense. Finally: Considering this, DGTs move seems to be a bad move to me. But I might be wrong. Such is my -ahem- probabilistic thinking. The beauty: I will never be disappointed. I eventually just lose. But this is the nature of the game. I just modify probabilities next time, if there is a 'next time' ;) Guenter -- *Von:* Finlay MacNab finlaymac...@hotmail.com *An:* vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com *Gesendet:* 22:51 Freitag, 27.Juli 2012 *Betreff:* RE: [Vo]:ICCF-17: Brillouin is no more? As a research scientist working for a solar start-up in Vancouver, I agree with Jed. It would be wonderful if Defkalion moved here. I would love to nanostructure some nickel for them! -- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:48:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:ICCF-17: Brillouin is no more? From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: I am very aware of possible positive effects of this move. My main argument is probabilistic. I am not sure what probabilistic means in this context. But in any case, your statement about how the Canadian government might refuse to allow an incorporation is nonsense. The law does not permit that. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:ICCF-17: Brillouin is no more?
On 2012-07-28 21:00, Peter Gluck wrote: David Nygren was so kind to send me this: http://lenrnews.eu/?p=309 Fran Tanzella ill make the Brillouin presentation. Thanks for the information. So there will still be a BEC presentation. I think the ICCF-17 web team should have retained Brillouin in the program chart to avoid misunderstandings. Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:Stopping commenting
friends, I will stop commenting in the list for a month or two or so. Enough is enough. Thank you for enduring my critical comments. Personal mails excepted. Guenter
Re: [Vo]:Take this with a grain of salt
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: If the f/H in an ocean environment eventually sinks, due to increased density and magnetic susceptibility - does this not provide an explanation for some of the interior heat of the planet? (formerly attributed to Uranium/thorium decay) The Earth is hollow and has a never setting sun at it's center. We already knew this. Terry of Agharta
[Vo]:New Book: Free Radicals and Scientists behaving Badly
Greetings Vortex, I just saw an interview with Michael Brooks, author of Free Radical..Scientists behaving badly. In the interview, the author gets involved with Einstein fudging E=MC Squared. It is in the book but not in the NYT Book review below: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/science/free-radicals-book-review-rebels-who-set-science-aglow.html I was always suspect of the HUGE number that E=MC sq-ed generates. Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chirlalex
[Vo]:*NASA: Adair's 'Controlled-Fusion:' Cold, Warm or What?
ADAIR Controlled Fusion: NASA's Dave Adair's unprecedented engineering success for his Controlled Fusion rocket motors are the State of the Art for current combat-missile-propulsions systems. And they illustrate the 'model' for epanding-dialating Protons(as micro-singularities). Adair's huge unexpected design success of Plasma-Breach/Magnetic Toroidal Firing Chamber (controlled fusion) enhances the performance description of NOT ONLY CHEMICAL REACTIONS but also of FUSION REACTIONs be they 'cold,' warm, or hot. And Dave Adair's rocket in a magnetic bottle(EMF-Toriod-Plasma Breach) was fairly accurately described as a 'chemical-reaction' rising to DIALATED-PROTON quasi-FUSION levels of energy output. And thusly he called his motors(now state of the art in missile technology) as 'Controlled-Chemical-Fusion' rocket motors. And these weapons systems keep of safe. And it's hard to deny this single hard fact. Is this Cold, Warm, or Hot Fusion? *** NASA: David Adair's 'Quasi-Fusion:' ?Cold, Warm, Hot? ADAIR BOTTLE IGNITION CHAMBER Re: Saline Mist H2O Jets, Vandegraaf Hi-density static charge hyrolysis-ignition nodes fired by Hi-EMF-density Capacitors. Sodium capacitative ionic-charge disperses-facilitates-catalizes the charge throughout the Adair Chamber. *SPRITES JETS emulation: The Adair quasi-fusion rocket is copying the atmospheric flux-tornadoes-vortices that sucl-up oceanic saline mist and then conduct inductive(lightning)hi-density charge and thusly become a 'natural' Adair-bottles which in turn foment a H2O-hydrolytic-then-firing sequence. The H2 + O2 reaction is attenuated in that 'some' of the O2 is becomes rather O3-Ozone and some H2 in the hydrolytic-split is form of H1-H1.(pursuent to piggy-back HHE addendum fusion in the mix? maybe) Within the High-Charge electo-plasmic medium the Proton-singularity-centres are expanded allowing a 'dialated-eye'/induction-amplification of the Proton and its axial-flow Electro-Valent quantum-electron-flux-plasma shell caused by the 'dialation' marginal surge of ingress electro-Aexoplasma. The Proton as a balanced gray-hole singularity--shell 'micro-system' thus becomes 'whitish'(marginally more ingress electro-aexoplasma from parallel AexoDarkEnergy HyperSpace); and thus in this High-Energy state also going on with the free Hydrogens, the futher-amplified-energetic chemical firing of the hydrolytically-split Hydrogen Oxygen completes the 'total' energy situation that causes 'some' of the free-hydrogen to FUSE into He-Helium. This is the chemistry/fusion piggy-back process of the Adair Mag-Vortex Bottle firing chamber rocket motor as well as the causal process for the meteorological-atmospheric phenomena of Sprites Jets. It's 'not' for-nothing that Werner Von Braun made (then) 17-year-old David Adair(now of NASA) his protege' after David demonstrated his 'mag-vortex-bottle quasi-fusion motor' at his high-school science fair that he had constructed in his father's machine shop. And thusly the 'wild-card' factor can never be discounted as a critical adjunct to the more conventional inputs of classically univerity trained science-mathematicians-physics engineers theorists etc. Although David Adair's 'piggy-back chemical/quasi-fusion' system is 'not exactly' LENR-CANR cold-fusion; its significance cannot be dismissed. RE Anti-Matter Cern-Hadron, Fermilab, etc. It needs be noted that the Proton in the balanced Gray-State micro-singularity state creates a aexoplasma/magneflux core-flow circulation creating its 'atmospheric' electro-valent-QUANTUM-ELECTRON SHELL. The directional flow accounts for the polarity of the Proton with its singularity-directional-axial electro-plasma flow(say northward) vs the EM/Electro-Valent-Shell circulating the same-electro-aexoplasma/magna-flux-field 'southward.' So in short this is the same electro-flux magnetic field phenomenon that we are so prozaically familiar with; but Nikola Tesla, for instance, did so very 'much' with that we are stilll 'catching-up' to in 'theory' that we have never yet thoroughly defined. HOWEVER: When the Super-Collided H-single-Protons are 'smashed' the axial-flow of said Proton Singularities is converted/collapsed into BLACK-SINGULARITY status so that both poles are paroxismally 'flowing' back into the 'centre' and thus the QUANTUM-ELECTRON SHELL is immediately 'swallowed.' And subsequently at the 'micro-black-hole' level the energy of the Proton is absorbed through it's singulartiy centre back in to parallel-AexoDarkenergy-Hyperspace; and at which point the micro-black-hole winks shut. CASE IN POINT: This IS 'really' what is happening ref. the anti-matter explosive-phenomenon. Actually what is happening is that the micro-Hawking's-Radiant 'electro-plasmic-back-wash' at the 'wink-out' point is trapped within a very brief
[Vo]:Eye Candy
Some of the most remarkable time lapse photography from the ISS: http://www.geekologie.com/2012/07/eye-candy-the-difinitive-time-lapse-of-e.php T
[Vo]:Conjunction of Meaningfully Parallel Events
or CMPE. The classic case is Carl Jung’s scarab story where a patient is telling him about a dream in which she’s given a gold scarab. As she does, a gold scarab beetle is tapping at the window of Jung’s office. So there you have two events, foretelling the dream, the appearance of the scarab, and they both share one striking parallel which is a golden scarab. Probably more than you want to know: http://www.skeptiko.com/robert-perry-on-the-science-of-synchronicity/ Unless we are experiencing a gateway opening: http://copycateffect.blogspot.mx/2012/07/aurora-synchro.html Caution: read these at your own risk. T
Re: [Vo]:Take this with a grain of salt
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:48:39 -0700: Hi Jones, [snip] Anyway, K has three ionization potentials: 4.3eV, 31.6eV and 45.8 eV and the combination of all of them is 81.8eV which is a Rydberg multiple that is within range. That is, since 27.2*3 + 81.6eV... voila.. and Mills early-on stated that this is the catalytic hole. On the surface that might seem to be end of story (if you are naive) ... but there is the little problem that triple ionization of potassium only happens at about a million degrees C. No way is Boltzmann's tail that long in electrolysis, in particular; and no way will hydrogen be monatomic at the same time that K is triple-ionized. That's not the way it works. It's an energy HOLE. That means that the catalyst has to be capable of ABSORBING that amount of energy, not that the amount of energy needs to be available before hand. It's not K+++ that is the catalyst, it's K itself (the atom). (or sometimes 2*K+; 31.625 - 4.3407 = 27.291, in a process where an electron is transferred from one K+ to the other). For the ionization energies of K I have:- 4.3407 31.625 45.72 --- 81.6857 eV === The actual energy hole is 6*13.598 eV = 81.588 eV The difference is 81.6857 - 81.588 = 0.0977 eV. This is the energy that needs to be supplied thermally and it is only about 4 times the average thermal energy at room temperature which I'm sure Dr. Boltzmann would provide, the more so as the temperature increases. And of course once the reaction kicks in, more energy becomes available. (Values of the ionization energy obtained from Webelements, yield a difference of 0.195 eV, which is about 10 times average at room temperature.) In short, during Hydrino formation, The newly forming Hydrino releases 81.588 eV which is used to ionize K to K+++ (with the help of the extra 0.0977 eV thermal energy). The K+++ then eventually reacquires the electrons from the environment, of it's own accord, releasing the 81.6857 eV as heat etc. Furthermore, the formation of H[1/4] (from H[1/1] due to m=3 for K) actually releases a total energy of 217.7 - 13.6 = 204.1 eV, of which 81.6 goes to ionizing the K, and the remainder (122.5) is released either as UV or as kinetic energy of a particle. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Take this with a grain of salt
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:40:06 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: If the f/H in an ocean environment eventually sinks, due to increased density and magnetic susceptibility - does this not provide an explanation for some of the interior heat of the planet? (formerly attributed to Uranium/thorium decay) The Earth is hollow and has a never setting sun at it's center. We already knew this. Terry of Agharta Would this be a Solar centric model? ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:Take this with a grain of salt
Robin, You completely understood the post. This was NOT about how Mills thinks it works. We have know for 20 years how he thinks it works. Instead, it is about how potassium works in an alternative but non-Millsean, non-nuclear view; or better yet - how it works in fact. Jones -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:48:39 -0700: Hi Jones, [snip] Anyway, K has three ionization potentials: 4.3eV, 31.6eV and 45.8 eV and the combination of all of them is 81.8eV which is a Rydberg multiple that is within range. That is, since 27.2*3 + 81.6eV... voila.. and Mills early-on stated that this is the catalytic hole. On the surface that might seem to be end of story (if you are naive) ... but there is the little problem that triple ionization of potassium only happens at about a million degrees C. No way is Boltzmann's tail that long in electrolysis, in particular; and no way will hydrogen be monatomic at the same time that K is triple-ionized. That's not the way it works. It's an energy HOLE. That means that the catalyst has to be capable of ABSORBING that amount of energy, not that the amount of energy needs to be available before hand. It's not K+++ that is the catalyst, it's K itself (the atom). (or sometimes 2*K+; 31.625 - 4.3407 = 27.291, in a process where an electron is transferred from one K+ to the other). For the ionization energies of K I have:- 4.3407 31.625 45.72 --- 81.6857 eV === The actual energy hole is 6*13.598 eV = 81.588 eV The difference is 81.6857 - 81.588 = 0.0977 eV. This is the energy that needs to be supplied thermally and it is only about 4 times the average thermal energy at room temperature which I'm sure Dr. Boltzmann would provide, the more so as the temperature increases. And of course once the reaction kicks in, more energy becomes available. (Values of the ionization energy obtained from Webelements, yield a difference of 0.195 eV, which is about 10 times average at room temperature.) In short, during Hydrino formation, The newly forming Hydrino releases 81.588 eV which is used to ionize K to K+++ (with the help of the extra 0.0977 eV thermal energy). The K+++ then eventually reacquires the electrons from the environment, of it's own accord, releasing the 81.6857 eV as heat etc. Furthermore, the formation of H[1/4] (from H[1/1] due to m=3 for K) actually releases a total energy of 217.7 - 13.6 = 204.1 eV, of which 81.6 goes to ionizing the K, and the remainder (122.5) is released either as UV or as kinetic energy of a particle. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Take this with a grain of salt
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:29:06 -0700: Hi Jones, [snip] Robin, You completely understood the post. This was NOT about how Mills thinks it works. We have know for 20 years how he thinks it works. Instead, it is about how potassium works in an alternative but non-Millsean, non-nuclear view; or better yet - how it works in fact. Jones I realize that you wanted to present an alternate view, but you shouldn't do that by first misrepresenting what Mills says. IOW you shouldn't first incorrectly claim that his process works in a certain way, then proceed to claim that his explanation is of little value because 81 eV energies are not available at room temperature. It's a sort of straw man argument. In fact all you have done is demonstrate that either you don't really understand his process, or the misrepresentation is deliberate, which I doubt. In which case, may I suggest that you take another look at what I wrote. It may go some way toward changing your mind on Mills, since his claims are not nearly as outlandish as you appear to believe. -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 28 Jul 2012 09:48:39 -0700: Hi Jones, [snip] Anyway, K has three ionization potentials: 4.3eV, 31.6eV and 45.8 eV and the combination of all of them is 81.8eV which is a Rydberg multiple that is within range. That is, since 27.2*3 + 81.6eV... voila.. and Mills early-on stated that this is the catalytic hole. On the surface that might seem to be end of story (if you are naive) ... but there is the little problem that triple ionization of potassium only happens at about a million degrees C. No way is Boltzmann's tail that long in electrolysis, in particular; and no way will hydrogen be monatomic at the same time that K is triple-ionized. That's not the way it works. It's an energy HOLE. That means that the catalyst has to be capable of ABSORBING that amount of energy, not that the amount of energy needs to be available before hand. It's not K+++ that is the catalyst, it's K itself (the atom). (or sometimes 2*K+; 31.625 - 4.3407 = 27.291, in a process where an electron is transferred from one K+ to the other). For the ionization energies of K I have:- 4.3407 31.625 45.72 --- 81.6857 eV === The actual energy hole is 6*13.598 eV = 81.588 eV The difference is 81.6857 - 81.588 = 0.0977 eV. This is the energy that needs to be supplied thermally and it is only about 4 times the average thermal energy at room temperature which I'm sure Dr. Boltzmann would provide, the more so as the temperature increases. And of course once the reaction kicks in, more energy becomes available. (Values of the ionization energy obtained from Webelements, yield a difference of 0.195 eV, which is about 10 times average at room temperature.) In short, during Hydrino formation, The newly forming Hydrino releases 81.588 eV which is used to ionize K to K+++ (with the help of the extra 0.0977 eV thermal energy). The K+++ then eventually reacquires the electrons from the environment, of it's own accord, releasing the 81.6857 eV as heat etc. Furthermore, the formation of H[1/4] (from H[1/1] due to m=3 for K) actually releases a total energy of 217.7 - 13.6 = 204.1 eV, of which 81.6 goes to ionizing the K, and the remainder (122.5) is released either as UV or as kinetic energy of a particle. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:FYI: Polarizable vacuum analysis of electric and magnetic fields
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:43:03 -0700: Hi, [snip] In the numen est nomen department - here is a humorous thought if we want to get away from ZPE as being too overwrought: not that it is any easier to accept DCE or polarizable vacuum but if we want to specify something specific like a dynamical Casimir effect for the road well no not Fahrvergnügen, but close. Given the lore of zero point: the long history, the Higgs field, the Einstein-Stern-Planck connection, the Sci-Fi nature of it all we could always revisit Einsteins original terminology: Nullpunktsenergie. Null-punkts-energie is quite literally zero-point-energy or ZPE. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:FYI: Polarizable vacuum analysis of electric and magnetic fields
In reply to MarkI-ZeroPoint's message of Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:51:13 -0700: Hi, [snip] Good question How can ANY properties of the vacuum/ether/ZPF be measured? We already know some of them: 1) Polarizability of the vacuum. 2) Permeability of the vacuum, together yielding 3) The speed of light. 4) Planck's constant. 5) The fine structure constant, though I'm not sure whether or not that properly deserves the title of property, as it's dimensionless. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
