Re: [Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles - The Correlation of Excess Heat and Helium: (ColdFusionNow)

[Esa Ruoho]

Looking forward to it too!


On 9 July 2016 at 18:00, Ruby  wrote:

> THANK YOU Esa for giving those few seconds of sweet music.  I can't wait
> to work with you more on the next movie.
>
> Love Love LOVE,
> Ruby
>
>
> On 7/9/16 3:16 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
>
> Hi guys!
>
> Any thoughts on this documentary? Ruby from ColdFusionNow used two of my
> tunes in it, briefly, and it is apparently a nice documentary or something.
> Here's some information:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM82RW7_II4
>
> http://coldfusionnow.org/anomalous-effects-in-deuterated-systems-melvin-miles-the-correlation-of-excess-heat-and-helium/
>
>
> *Anomalous Effects in Dueterated Systems* documents the work of Dr. Melvin
> Miles, a US Navy electrochemist who first correlated the excess heat
> generated from palladium-deuterium systems with the production of helium as
> a nuclear product.
>
> *Anomalous Effects* takes Cold Fusion Now! video to a new evolution with
> the addition of title music by the excellent Esa Ruoho a.k.a. Lackluster,
> an electronic musician based in Etelä-Suomi, Finland. I hope you found the
> sounds elevating as I did.
>
> Vist Esa’s website here  and purchase music
> by Esa at
> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com/.
>
> Your support is crucial to artists.--
> ---
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> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com // +358403703659 //
> skype:esajuhaniruoho // http://esaruoho.tumblr.com/ // iMessage:
> esaru...@gmail.com //
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles - The Correlation of Excess Heat and Helium: (ColdFusionNow)

[Axil Axil]

Rossi's transmutation results imply that the mechanism for nucleon transfer
comes by way of energy transfer and sub atomic particle condensation inside
the nucleus, and not particle transfer coming through the coulomb barrier..

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Ruby  wrote:

> THANK YOU Esa for giving those few seconds of sweet music.  I can't wait
> to work with you more on the next movie.
>
> Love Love LOVE,
> Ruby
>
>
> On 7/9/16 3:16 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
>
> Hi guys!
>
> Any thoughts on this documentary? Ruby from ColdFusionNow used two of my
> tunes in it, briefly, and it is apparently a nice documentary or something.
> Here's some information:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM82RW7_II4
>
> http://coldfusionnow.org/anomalous-effects-in-deuterated-systems-melvin-miles-the-correlation-of-excess-heat-and-helium/
>
>
> *Anomalous Effects in Dueterated Systems* documents the work of Dr. Melvin
> Miles, a US Navy electrochemist who first correlated the excess heat
> generated from palladium-deuterium systems with the production of helium as
> a nuclear product.
>
> *Anomalous Effects* takes Cold Fusion Now! video to a new evolution with
> the addition of title music by the excellent Esa Ruoho a.k.a. Lackluster,
> an electronic musician based in Etelä-Suomi, Finland. I hope you found the
> sounds elevating as I did.
>
> Vist Esa’s website here  and purchase music
> by Esa at
> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com/.
>
> Your support is crucial to artists.--
> ---
> http://twitter.com/esaruoho //  
> http://lackluster.bandcamp.com // +358403703659 //
> skype:esajuhaniruoho // http://esaruoho.tumblr.com/ // iMessage:
> esaru...@gmail.com //
>
>

[Vo]:do not ste limits in LENR, please it is too early!

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/07/jul-09-2016-do-not-set-limits-to-lenr.html

A new discussion has started...not a dispute..

peter.

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles

[Ruby]

Yes, I agree Jones, There are many hosts to the reaction, which by some 
logic should make the reaction independent of any host, (with regards to 
the common qualities of those hosts).  In all cases, hydrogen is used, 
so I refer to hydrogen (D and H) as the fuel for the reaction.


There is a basic disagreement on whether or not there is one mechanism 
that creates all the different effects, or, multiple mechanisms that 
create all the different effects.  Several opinions have been expressed 
here, and I have my own opinion, but I try to keep it to myself and let 
the scientists duke it out.


Neither am I an expert on nuclear reactions, but I think the reaction 
with Lithium that you are referring to also makes 2 helium per reaction, 
so that would  mean that there would have to be even MORE helium 
measured to get the same amount of heat. Please correct me if I am wrong.


Also, the Helium-3 detected has been shown to be derived from the decay 
of tritium, which is another nuclear product observed, but not in 
amounts enough to account for the energy.  I accept that as fact, though 
am not sure if everybody does.  The Arata work suggests to me a 
situation where more tritium was made.


Thank you again for liking the movie.  It sure is a lot of fun making them.
Ruby


On 7/9/16 9:37 AM, Jones Beene wrote:


First, thanks to Ruby for such an amazing effort.

As to the point about lithium-6 …. Yes, there are lithium-free 
reactions which show excess heat, no denying that. The gas-phase 
nanoscale systems of Arata-Zhang, Ahern and others find excess heat 
with no apparent lithium, no electrical input, and no gamma radiation. 
BUT these experiments (Arata at least) also found helium-3 in a 
repeatable ratio and much less helium-4 than with lithium electrolytic 
work !


This conflict and other divergent results is leading to the only 
possible conclusion about LENR - that there are more than one type of 
reaction, possibly many similar but differing reactions - and more 
than one type of positive outcome.


Moreover, many of the experiments of Professor Dash showed excess heat 
and helium with NO palladium. That’s right, no palladium since 
titanium was used instead - and moreover Dash felt that titanium was 
more active than palladium in similar circumstances, BUT he did use 
lithium electrolyte ! Go figure.


*
*

Hydrogen, the simplest element in the Universe is also the most 
complex in its interaction with other elements.


**

*From:*Ruby

> There exist Pd-D systems that make excess heat but do not use 
Lithium.  Therefore, I conclude, following other scientists' 
reasoning, that Lithium is not required for the reaction.





--
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Eureka, CA USA
1-707-616-4894
r...@coldfusionnow.org 
www.coldfusionnow.org 
lenrexplained.com 

Re: [Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles

[Ruby]

Thank you for watching Jed, I hope you enjoyed it.

There exist Pd-D systems that make excess heat but do not use Lithium 
factually.


I do not know whether Miles agrees or not with that fact.

However, I do know that Miles disagrees that the effect is a surface 
effect.


Yet I left in Storms discussion of the explanation of ~50% recovered 
helium as resulting from a surface effect despite Miles disagreement.


I left it in, with Miles agreeing to my choice, because it helps to have 
others talking about this work so as to validate it. Storms gives *an* 
explanation, so I left that in.


I would like to have interviewed others on their heat-helium work, or 
their thoughts on the findings, but it was not possible.


Ruby

On 7/9/16 9:21 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Ruby > wrote:

There exist Pd-D systems that make excess heat but do not use
Lithium.
Therefore, I conclude, following other scientists' reasoning, that
Lithium is not required for the reaction.


I think that is what Mel Miles believes. It would be a little 
inappropriate to emphasize the lithium theory in a video that is 
mainly devoted to Miles' work, if he does not subscribe to that theory.


- Jed

RE: [Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles

[Jones Beene]

From: Eric Walker 

Jones Beene wrote:

This conflict and other divergent results is leading to the only possible 
conclusion about LENR - that there are more than one type of reaction, possibly 
many similar but differing reactions - and more than one type of positive 
outcome.

This seems likely to me. In this context people attempt to tighten up their 
arguments by referencing PdD or the Pons and Fleischmann effect. But I suspect 
the reactions involved in the F effect will end up being far more diverse 
than people anticipate when the underlying mechanisms are eventually discovered.


Yes indeed, and this is why it can be helpful to consider all the present day 
(new) R such as from Holmlid, when re-evaluating and re-interpreting the old 
results. No one understands the basic mechanism well enough to predict 
outcomes; and if there are several overlapping mechanisms, say one which is 
quantum mechanical, one which is classical physics and one Millsean – then all 
of them could be operating at the same time in varying proportions or in 
differing ratios, any of which serve to cover up the others. There could be 
effective ratios of 3 mechanisms which interact say - at 8:2:1 or 4:6:3 and so 
on. Nearly infinite variability.

If you had to pick the one common denominator – which is a universal underlying 
mechanism, having a required contribution to every reported experiment, it 
would probably be labeled as “hydrogen activation” or more precisely “hydrogen 
densification”… in which the electron orbital is fundamentally altered so that 
the atom interacts differently. This can be a temporary change with a useful 
lifetime and need not be permanent.

The kind of activation is variable in stages of density down to metallic 
hydrogen (possibly as many as 137 Rydberg stages) but any of them can 
facilitate tunneling, spin coupling, photon absorption and eventually fusion, 
and everything else, like transmutation of the host. One level may work better 
than another and one may be exothermic while the next is endothermic.

For instance, the P effect may depend on deuteron densification to one 
specific Rydberg level (based on the palladium catalysis to the first 27.2 
level) which gives only helium as the ash, but Claytor uses parameters which 
give tritium and no exotherm, and the Dash titanium-effect will not be 
identical due to the depth of densification of Pd (redundancy) and will go to a 
different level (level 7) which can have slightly better exotherm. 

The palladium that works best may have a small amount of another element, say 
rhodium, which makes it perform differently. Arata’s gas-phase technique may 
result in an inverted Rydberg level in such a way that helium-3 shows up, but 
that level does not happen with densification via electrolysis. Ahern 
documented an endothermic anomaly. You can see where this is going. 

The difficulty of LENR as a technology, and the reason it is not understood 
after 27 years could easily relate to this inherent complexity in the hydrogen 
activation process involving electron orbital dynamics.  

Re: [Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles

[Eric Walker]

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

This conflict and other divergent results is leading to the only possible
> conclusion about LENR - that there are more than one type of reaction,
> possibly many similar but differing reactions - and more than one type of
> positive outcome.


This seems likely to me. In this context people attempt to tighten up their
arguments by referencing PdD or the Pons and Fleischmann effect. But I
suspect the reactions involved in the F effect will end up being far more
diverse than people anticipate when the underlying mechanisms are
eventually discovered.

Eric

RE: [Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles

[Jones Beene]

First, thanks to Ruby for such an amazing effort.

 

As to the point about lithium-6 …. Yes, there are lithium-free reactions which 
show excess heat, no denying that. The gas-phase nanoscale systems of 
Arata-Zhang, Ahern and others find excess heat with no apparent lithium, no 
electrical input, and no gamma radiation. BUT these experiments (Arata at 
least) also found helium-3 in a repeatable ratio and much less helium-4 than 
with lithium electrolytic work !

 

This conflict and other divergent results is leading to the only possible 
conclusion about LENR - that there are more than one type of reaction, possibly 
many similar but differing reactions - and more than one type of positive 
outcome.

 

Moreover, many of the experiments of Professor Dash showed excess heat and 
helium with NO palladium. That’s right, no palladium since titanium was used 
instead - and moreover Dash felt that titanium was more active than palladium 
in similar circumstances, BUT he did use lithium electrolyte ! Go figure.

 

This conflicting theoretical and experimental situation is one more reason why 
Ockham’s razor is no only useless, but harmful to our understanding of the wide 
range of outcomes which can turn up. 

 

Hydrogen, the simplest element in the Universe is also the most complex in its 
interaction with other elements.

 

From: Ruby 

> There exist Pd-D systems that make excess heat but do not use Lithium.  
> Therefore, I conclude, following other scientists' reasoning, that Lithium is 
> not required for the reaction.




 

 

Re: [Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles

[Jed Rothwell]

Ruby  wrote:


> There exist Pd-D systems that make excess heat but do not use Lithium.
> Therefore, I conclude, following other scientists' reasoning, that Lithium
> is not required for the reaction.
>

I think that is what Mel Miles believes. It would be a little inappropriate
to emphasize the lithium theory in a video that is mainly devoted to Miles'
work, if he does not subscribe to that theory.

My video is mainly about the work of McKubre and the ENEA. I tried to avoid
any statement about cold fusion they disagree with. That is not to suggest
they are in any way responsible for what I said.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles

[Ruby]

Thank you Jones for watching this lengthy video, and for your comments, 
too.  The movie is not a science paper, but more a lesson in procedure 
on how MIles did it.


There exist Pd-D systems that make excess heat but do not use Lithium.
Therefore, I conclude, following other scientists' reasoning, that 
Lithium is not required for the reaction.


Still, I sat and talked with him and David French for 2 1/2 hours, but 
have to draw the line at less than 30 mins for youtube!
 (I'd prefer shorter, but what can you do with a topic as detailed as 
this?!)


As a general overview, I think this video can educate students and 
investors on how experiments are done, and in this particular case, what 
happens to your career when you succeed in your research.


Cold Fusion Now! videos seek to allow scientists in the field of 
LENR/cold fusion to tell their own story, and document their 
contributions through their own perspective.  If they don't tell the 
story, someone else will.


Thank you for your support.  I am happy at the evolution of our videos.
If I may say so, they are getting better and better!
Ruby


On 7/9/16 7:56 AM, Jones Beene wrote:


This is very impressive and answers a lot of questions which were not 
being addressed before. Finally most of the objections of skeptics are 
addressed succinctly in one place by the leading expert. Long overdue.


One minor complaint - with the lack of inclusion of selected details 
(since the target audience probably needs more information) is that 
the D+6Li reaction fits the evidence as well or better than D+D but 
was not even mentioned other than in a chart, and was ignored in the 
dialog.


*From:*Esa Ruoho

Hi guys!

Any thoughts on this documentary? Ruby from ColdFusionNow used two of 
my tunes in it, briefly, and it is apparently a nice documentary or 
something. Here's some information:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM82RW7_II4

http://coldfusionnow.org/anomalous-effects-in-deuterated-systems-melvin-miles-the-correlation-of-excess-heat-and-helium/


--
Ruby Carat
Eureka, CA USA

Re: [Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles - The Correlation of Excess Heat and Helium: (ColdFusionNow)

[Ruby]

THANK YOU Esa for giving those few seconds of sweet music.  I can't wait 
to work with you more on the next movie.


Love Love LOVE,
Ruby


On 7/9/16 3:16 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote:

Hi guys!

Any thoughts on this documentary? Ruby from ColdFusionNow used two of 
my tunes in it, briefly, and it is apparently a nice documentary or 
something. Here's some information:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM82RW7_II4
http://coldfusionnow.org/anomalous-effects-in-deuterated-systems-melvin-miles-the-correlation-of-excess-heat-and-helium/


/Anomalous Effects in Dueterated Systems/ documents the work of Dr. 
Melvin Miles, a US Navy electrochemist who first correlated the excess 
heat generated from palladium-deuterium systems with the production of 
helium as a nuclear product.


/Anomalous Effects/ takes Cold Fusion Now! video to a new evolution 
with the addition of title music by the excellent Esa Ruoho a.k.a. 
Lackluster, an electronic musician based in Etelä-Suomi, Finland. I 
hope you found the sounds elevating as I did.


Vist Esa’s website here  and purchase 
music by Esa at

http://lackluster.bandcamp.com/.

Your support is crucial to artists.--

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+358403703659 //
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RE: [Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles

[Jones Beene]

This is very impressive and answers a lot of questions which were not being 
addressed before. Finally most of the objections of skeptics are addressed 
succinctly in one place by the leading expert. Long overdue.

 

One minor complaint - with the lack of inclusion of selected details (since the 
target audience probably needs more information) is that the D+6Li reaction 
fits the evidence as well or better than D+D but was not even mentioned other 
than in a chart, and was ignored in the dialog. 

 

With D+6Li you do not have to worry about gammas, but you have to explain why 
the reaction does not occur with 7Li, the majority isotope, where a neutron is 
expected … but there is an easy QM explanation (conservation of spin). Coulomb 
repulsion increase can be ignored anyway, since it is insurmountable on paper 
with D+D.

 

In terms of looking back on the history of the field, the greatest objection 
from the mainstream has been the complete lack of any gamma radiation at all 
(when there should be billions of gammas, to achieve even a milliwatt of excess 
heat)— and that one objection disappears with the lithium channel – so why not 
at least mention it? In D+6Li the energy release is almost the same as D+D but 
you get twice the helium and apparently that is an issue. Of course, this 6Li 
channel could be falsified via using isotopically enriched electrolyte, but has 
it? 

 

From: Esa Ruoho 

 

Hi guys!

 

Any thoughts on this documentary? Ruby from ColdFusionNow used two of my tunes 
in it, briefly, and it is apparently a nice documentary or something. Here's 
some information:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM82RW7_II4

http://coldfusionnow.org/anomalous-effects-in-deuterated-systems-melvin-miles-the-correlation-of-excess-heat-and-helium/

 

 

Anomalous Effects in Dueterated Systems documents the work of Dr. Melvin Miles, 
a US Navy electrochemist who first correlated the excess heat generated from 
palladium-deuterium systems with the production of helium as a nuclear product. 

In three sets of experiments performed at the Navy’s China Lake research lab, 
samples of gasses coming off the active cells were captured and analyzed by 
experts in helium measurement. 

The University of Texas Austin, the US Department of Interior, and Brian Oliver 
of Rockwell International, who was the top helium measurement expert in the 
country at the time, all measured helium in quantities that matched closest to 
the excess heat generated by the cell if the reaction were D + D fusion going 
to Helium-4.

But unlike hot fusion, there was no gamma photon, only the generation of heat 
with a thermal energy close to 24MeV.

Dr. Miles began these experiments as a response to Dr. Julian Schwinger‘s 
proposal that the reaction was D + H going to Helium-3. Post-doc Benjamin Bush 
worked with Miles from the University of Texas Austin, and later came to China 
Lake, to test the hypothesis.

In Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems Melvin Miles The Correlation of 
Excess Heat and Helium, Dr. Miles provides a lesson in the experimental 
procedure used to measure the elusive nuclear product. Watch on Youtube here:
  https://youtu.be/KM82RW7_II4

The video is taken from an interview with Dr. Miles conducted in August 2015 
amid the idyllic southern Oregon, US wilderness in the town of Wolf Creek. 
Patent lawyer David French joined me at the cabin where Miles was vacationing 
with his dog Lady.

Two-and-a-half hours of video was reduced to 25 minutes, an eternity for 
Youtube, but the story of these experiments could be told in no less time. 
Visuals utilize graphics found in Miles’ papers, as well as the papers from 
scientists around the world who have also reported finding helium.

A complete transcript of the movie is at  

 Anomalous-Effects-Audio-Transcript

Read Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems, Final Report authored in 1995, 
when the China Lake cold fusion program ended:
  
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MilesManomalousea.pdf

A Summary of Miles’ work by Jed Rothwell is here
  
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJintroducti.pdf

Dr. Miles thinks the paper Correlation Of Excess Enthalpy And Helium-4 
Production: A Review. in Tenth International Conference on Cold Fusionis a good 
overview, too:
  
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MilesMcorrelatioa.pdf

A list of papers on the work of Melvin Miles and other Navy researchers is here 
at the lenr archive   
http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=952

Anomalous Effects takes Cold Fusion Now! video to a new evolution with the 
addition of title music by the excellent Esa Ruoho a.k.a. Lackluster, an 
electronic musician based in 

[Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles - The Correlation of Excess Heat and Helium: (ColdFusionNow)

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi guys!

Any thoughts on this documentary? Ruby from ColdFusionNow used two of my
tunes in it, briefly, and it is apparently a nice documentary or something.
Here's some information:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM82RW7_II4
http://coldfusionnow.org/anomalous-effects-in-deuterated-systems-melvin-miles-the-correlation-of-excess-heat-and-helium/


*Anomalous Effects in Dueterated Systems* documents the work of Dr. Melvin
Miles, a US Navy electrochemist who first correlated the excess heat
generated from palladium-deuterium systems with the production of helium as
a nuclear product.

In three sets of experiments performed at the Navy’s China Lake research
lab, samples of gasses coming off the active cells were captured and
analyzed by experts in helium measurement.

The University of Texas Austin, the US Department of Interior, and Brian
Oliver of Rockwell International, who was the top helium measurement expert
in the country at the time, all measured helium in quantities that matched
closest to the excess heat generated by the cell if the reaction were D + D
fusion going to Helium-4.

But unlike hot fusion, there was no gamma photon, only the generation of
heat with a thermal energy close to 24MeV.

Dr. Miles began these experiments as a response to Dr. Julian Schwinger‘s
proposal that the reaction was D + H going to Helium-3. Post-doc Benjamin
Bush worked with Miles from the University of Texas Austin, and later came
to China Lake, to test the hypothesis.

In *Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems Melvin Miles The Correlation of
Excess Heat and Helium*, Dr. Miles provides a lesson in the experimental
procedure used to measure the elusive nuclear product. Watch on Youtube
here:
https://youtu.be/KM82RW7_II4

The video is taken from an interview with Dr. Miles conducted in August
2015 amid the idyllic southern Oregon, US wilderness in the town of Wolf
Creek. Patent lawyer David French joined me at the cabin where Miles was
vacationing with his dog Lady.

Two-and-a-half hours of video was reduced to 25 minutes, an eternity for
Youtube, but the story of these experiments could be told in no less time.
Visuals utilize graphics found in Miles’ papers, as well as the papers from
scientists around the world who have also reported finding helium.

A complete transcript of the movie is at Anomalous-Effects-Audio-Transcript


Read *Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems, Final Report* authored in
1995, when the China Lake cold fusion program ended:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MilesManomalousea.pdf

A Summary of Miles’ work by Jed Rothwell is here
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJintroducti.pdf

Dr. Miles thinks the paper *Correlation Of Excess Enthalpy And Helium-4
Production: A Review. in Tenth International Conference on Cold Fusion*is a
good overview, too:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MilesMcorrelatioa.pdf

A list of papers on the work of Melvin Miles and other Navy researchers is
here at the lenr archive http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=952

*Anomalous Effects* takes Cold Fusion Now! video to a new evolution with
the addition of title music by the excellent Esa Ruoho a.k.a. Lackluster,
an electronic musician based in Etelä-Suomi, Finland. I hope you found the
sounds elevating as I did.

Vist Esa’s website here  and purchase music by
Esa at
http://lackluster.bandcamp.com/.

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