Re: [Vo]:Shouldn't we consider the free chat GPT3.5 AGI?

[Blaze Spinnaker]

GPT4 can have unlimited memory, right?  Just give it access to a query
engine.  Max token context length (input PLUS output) is 32k in the latest
model.  GPT3.5 is 4096.

https://openai.com/pricing

Importantly, GPT4 has built 'world models' as a side effect of its
training.  And when it predicts the next token, that token is not merely
compatible with the current context, but also the entirety of its network
and the internal world models that it has built.  I think the word tokens
themselves are about 12K dimensional vectors and the networks are billions
and billions of parameters.  You can do a lot with that, and they have.

https://thegradient.pub/othello/

I think there's a lot of 'human consciousness is center of universe' type
vanity going around, which is why a lot of people have a hard time
accepting that LLMs are enough.

On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 7:38 PM Boom  wrote:

> The most recent versions of Stockfish, the best chess engines, combines
> "brute force", the usual branching algorithm, with NN. ChatGTP 4.0 (which
> is actually quite similar to 3.5) uses plugins to be smarter. For example,
> it can evoke wolfram alpha if it needs to make calculations. This modular
> approach is quickly becoming more common.
>
>
> Em sáb., 8 de abr. de 2023 às 21:05, Jed Rothwell 
> escreveu:
>
>> I wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The methods used to program ChatGPT and light years away from anything
>>> like human cognition. As different as what bees do with their brains
>>> compared to what we do.
>>>
>>
>> To take another example, the human brain can add 2 + 2 = 4. A computer
>> ALU can also do this, in binary arithmetic. The brain and the ALU get the
>> same answer, but the methods are COMPLETELY different. Some people claim
>> that ChatGPT is somewhat intelligent. Artificially intelligent. For the
>> sake of argument, let us say this is a form of intelligence. In that case,
>> it is an alien form as different from human intelligence as an ALU. A bee
>> brain is probably closer to ours than ChatGPT. It may be that a future AGI,
>> even a sentient one, has totally different mechanisms than the human brain.
>> As alien as an ALU. In that case, I do not think it will be possible for
>> the AGI to actually emulate a human, although it might be able to imitate
>> one, the way ChatGPT does. I doubt it will ever be able to feel what it is
>> like to be a human. We humans cannot imagine what it feels like to be a
>> bee, or even a more intelligent creature such as a bat, because bats have
>> such a different way of living, and sensing (echolocation). We do know what
>> it is like being a chimpanzee, because we share so much DNA and we have
>> many behaviors in common, such as anger, politics, and grieving over dead
>> children.
>>
>>
>
> --
> Daniel Rocha - RJ
> danieldi...@gmail.com
>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Folks, please, there is no need to post anonymous random anecdotal
reports.  It does nothing but spread unnecessary panic and is tantamount to
shouting fire in a crowded theater.

Everyone is aware of the risks of lack of surge capacity.   Here is
something a bit more informed and not so anecdotal -
https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_marzo_07/coronavirus-stiamo-creando-terapie-intensive-anche-corridoi-cb01190a-60be-11ea-8d61-438e0a276fc4.shtml?refresh_ce-cp=IwAR0oMTQ9_vK91Ex272uyF7ueNz6c93Aw2jPwKrJuXRkxrgZRB9B3eKDc9Ow

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 3:43 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> If you haven't had your fill here, there's lots of info on reddit
>
>  https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/
>
>
> Stay away for your own mental health and sanity.  It's just 24/7 news
postings largely overwhelmed by anything that happens to incite emotional
responses in 16-28 age demographic.  (Medium age, 22, 6.99 std dev).   The
ranking system just makes things worse.

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

China had a lot of very very useful information that they could have shared
early with other Nations so they could get better prepared - but didn't.
 In the US any can just click over and read the mmwr's from CDC or other
western nations.   Centralized governments by their very nature keep a very
tight lid on information and do not encourage free speech and free haring
of ideas.

I agree though, there are pro's and con's to both systems and I'm no big
fan of monoculture.

Actually, one of my only real biggest and only lasting complaints about
communism  is that itself tends to encourage mono-cultural philosophies
because of the centralized control and lack of freedoms.


On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:48 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:

> If you really want to be scared, read the book or watch the NatGeo series
> "The Hot Zone", a true story about an Ebola outbreak in Reston, VA.
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 6:45 PM Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>> Vaccines generally excite the immune system to attack the virion's RNA.
>> The reason we don't have a common cold vaccine is the spike protein is what
>> allows the virus to attach to the cell walls.  We don't have vaccines
>> against the spike proteins as they are constantly changing.  This is the
>> nature of all corona virus.
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Good news, finally!   pretty low mortality rate in South Korea.

Perhaps very aggressive testing is just the thing we need.  Lots of drive
through testing throughout the country would be great.   Catch it early,
make people aware of their status.   Get them to self isolate. It's pretty
noninvasive as well from I can tell, just swam swabbing.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-testing-blitz-appears-to-keep-south-korea-death-rate-low


On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 2:22 PM Jonathan Berry  wrote:

> Who thinks the US WANTS the Coronavirus (Covid19 just sounds clunky) to
> get bad?
>
> Though Jed has spoken well about the baffling ignorance politicians have
> with respect to science...
> Still, I have heard so many times about how the US makes faulty tests,
> isn't testing people, only a few states can test, false negatives...
>
> This is rife for that Archer meme, "Do you want X, Because this is how you
> get X".
>
> level 4
> CollegeSuperSenior 
> 615 points·2 hours ago
> 
>
> No joke. I work in US healthcare and have helped patients who have
> traveled to infected countries and are showing symptoms but we have not
> done any testing for covid-19. I am starting to get a terrible cough myself
> but I wont be tested and will not be allowed to take any sick leave unless
> I am dying and 100% unable to make it to work.
>
>
> This means the US is looking at a massive outbreak which won't be
> killing at the nominal mortality rate, but at a rate closer to the serious
> rate that requires hospitalization, but where there isn't real possibility
> of that.
>
>
> Basically, Iran is a look at the future for the US.
>
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 09:15,  wrote:
>
>> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 5 Mar 2020 14:44:46 -0500:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>> >$2.4T World GDP loss?  Hah!  The stockmarket lost $6T last week alone.
>>
>> BTW stock market losses don't really count, because there is a winner for
>> every loser. The net impact is small. GDP
>> losses OTOH imply a loss of production. That is a real loss, though what
>> remains will be spread over less people, so the
>> net effect per head of population may not be too severe.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-selloff-impact-americans-3-charts-not-immediate-impact-2020-2-1028952948
>> >
>> >
>> >On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Frank Znidarsic 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-spreads-one-study-predicts-10155.html
>> >>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> local asymmetry = temporary success
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Interesting chatter about China and the reliability of their stats.

https://twitter.com/yindavid/status/1234335403022442496

Rather speculative from the dailymail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7971401/Have-real-coronavirus-death-figures-leaked-Chinese-conglomerate-lists-death-toll-24-589.html



On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 3:42 PM Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

>
> https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/01/health/coronvirus-patient-research-cdc/index.html
>
>
> Though, if our capitalist system works like this maybe we would be better
> off with communism.  At the very least the CDC should issue a press release
> and say they are tabulating data and when the information will  arrive.
>  Stuff like this breeds very very nasty conspiracy theories.
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 8:46 PM Blaze Spinnaker 
> wrote:
>
>> Communism/Fascism is great for quarantining.   Not sure it's that great
>> for sharing critical information broadly, coming up with vaccines, medical
>> tests and and treatments.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 6:52 AM Jed Rothwell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That was a superb presentation by Bruce Aylward. Jones: thanks for
>>> pointing it out.
>>>
>>> I must ruefully admit that Chinese communism does seem well suited for
>>> dealing with this. But, more than that, what Aylward emphasized is the
>>> scientific, rational, pragmatic, data-driven approach. That's as much part
>>> of U.S., European and Japanese culture as it is Chinese. I'd like to think
>>> so, anyway.
>>>
>>> It is unfortunate that the U.S. effort will be headed up by nitwits who
>>> don't even believe in the Theory of Evolution. This is like assigning
>>> energy policy to someone who has no idea where electricity comes from.
>>>
>>> It is unfortunate, but I hope not disastrous. I hope they stay out of
>>> the way and let qualified people do their jobs. I fear that even the
>>> qualified people will ignore the lessons from China.
>>>
>>>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/01/health/coronvirus-patient-research-cdc/index.html


Though, if our capitalist system works like this maybe we would be better
off with communism.  At the very least the CDC should issue a press release
and say they are tabulating data and when the information will  arrive.
 Stuff like this breeds very very nasty conspiracy theories.

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 8:46 PM Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> Communism/Fascism is great for quarantining.   Not sure it's that great
> for sharing critical information broadly, coming up with vaccines, medical
> tests and and treatments.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 6:52 AM Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> That was a superb presentation by Bruce Aylward. Jones: thanks for
>> pointing it out.
>>
>> I must ruefully admit that Chinese communism does seem well suited for
>> dealing with this. But, more than that, what Aylward emphasized is the
>> scientific, rational, pragmatic, data-driven approach. That's as much part
>> of U.S., European and Japanese culture as it is Chinese. I'd like to think
>> so, anyway.
>>
>> It is unfortunate that the U.S. effort will be headed up by nitwits who
>> don't even believe in the Theory of Evolution. This is like assigning
>> energy policy to someone who has no idea where electricity comes from.
>>
>> It is unfortunate, but I hope not disastrous. I hope they stay out of the
>> way and let qualified people do their jobs. I fear that even the qualified
>> people will ignore the lessons from China.
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Communism/Fascism is great for quarantining.   Not sure it's that great for
sharing critical information broadly, coming up with vaccines, medical
tests and and treatments.



On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 6:52 AM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> That was a superb presentation by Bruce Aylward. Jones: thanks for
> pointing it out.
>
> I must ruefully admit that Chinese communism does seem well suited for
> dealing with this. But, more than that, what Aylward emphasized is the
> scientific, rational, pragmatic, data-driven approach. That's as much part
> of U.S., European and Japanese culture as it is Chinese. I'd like to think
> so, anyway.
>
> It is unfortunate that the U.S. effort will be headed up by nitwits who
> don't even believe in the Theory of Evolution. This is like assigning
> energy policy to someone who has no idea where electricity comes from.
>
> It is unfortunate, but I hope not disastrous. I hope they stay out of the
> way and let qualified people do their jobs. I fear that even the qualified
> people will ignore the lessons from China.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

I don't think we yet know where the virus came from.  Until that detail is
nailed down, I think the jury is still out.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/where-did-new-coronavirus-come-past-outbreaks-provide-hints-n1144521


On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 2:04 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> This is an incredible must-see video by an expert on the new virus- which
> will change your entire understanding of the Chinese response to Covid.
> Essentially they reversed an epidemic situation in a short time.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o0q1XMRKYM
>
> No matter what you may say or think about their political system - it is
> better suited to handle National emergencies than Capitalism is, and if you
> are ever in an emergency like this - you are a lot better-off living in
> China than in the USA. And that's not even close.
>
> Despite the large population, China is very close to being governed by
> technology, not by politicians - China could become the first AI-augmented
> political system, and sooner than you imagine. What an irony.
>
> They will eat out lunch if we do not take notice of the basic advantage of
> "rule by science" - rule by AI... instead of rule by incompetent
> politicians.
>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

^^ bill gates
Apologies for spam.

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2003762
>
> Right off the top.  He's not pussyfooting, that's for sure:
>
> n any crisis, leaders have two equally important responsibilities: solve
> the immediate problem and keep it from happening again. The Covid-19 *pandemic
> *is a case in point.
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:20 AM Blaze Spinnaker 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that is so hilariously stupid.   It's like the white house has
>> become a Conspiracy Theory factory.  "So, everyone, rather than scientists
>> and experts speak about what they rationally know to be true, only totality
>> unqualified and completely biased politicians are allowed to talk."
>>
>> Lol.
>>
>> this is crazy -
>> https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/u-s-cdc-confirms-one-more-coronavirus-case-among-diamond-princess-evacuees
>>
>>
>> Have they just decided - who cares about the diamond princess people?  As
>> long as they don't infect other people they can happily infect themselves.
>> Or WTF is going on?
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 9:48 AM Jed Rothwell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is frightening news. The Trump administration is politicizing this,
>>> lying about it, and suppressing the truth the way the Chinese government
>>> did.
>>>
>>> Pence Will Control All Coronavirus Messaging From Health Officials
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/us-coronavirus-pence.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is a similar story in the WaPost text, from behind the paywall:
>>>
>>> Whistleblower: Workers at risk aiding evacuees
>>> Complainant alleges she was targeted for raising concerns.
>>> By Lena H. Sun and Yasmeen Abutaleb
>>> Washington Post
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON -Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services
>>> sent more than a dozen workers to receive the first Ameri­cans evacuated
>>> from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, with­out
>>> proper training for infec­tion control or appropriate protective gear,
>>> according to a whistleblower complaint.
>>>
>>> The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for
>>> the virus, according to lawyers for the whistleblower, who is a senior HHS
>>> official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administra­tion
>>> for Children and Fami­lies, a unit within HHS.
>>>
>>> The whistleblower is seek­ing federal protection because she alleges she
>>> was unfairly and improperly reassigned after raising concerns about the
>>> safety of these workers to HHS officials, including those within the office
>>> of Health and Human Services Secre­tary Alex Azar. She was told Feb. 19
>>> that if she does not accept the new position in 15 days, which is March 5,
>>> she would be terminated.
>>>
>>> The whistleblower has decades of experience in the field, received two
>>> HHS department awards from Azar last year and has received the highest
>>> perfor­mance evaluations, her law­yers said.
>>>
>>> The complaint was filed Wednesday with the Office of the Special
>>> Counsel, an independent federal watch­dog agency. The whistleblow­er's
>>> lawyers provided a copy of a redacted 24-page com­plaint to The Washington
>>> Post. A spokesman for the Office of the Special Coun­sel said he could not
>>> com­ment on complaints filed with the office. . . .
>>>
>>> The complaint alleges that HHS staff were "improperly deployed" and were
>>> "not properly trained or equipped to operate in a public health emergency
>>> situation." The complaint also alleges that the workers were poten­tially
>>> exposed to corona­virus because appropriate steps were not taken to
>>> pro­tect them, and staff were not trained in wearing personal protective
>>> equipment, even though they had face-to-face contact with returning
>>> pas­sengers. The workers were in contact with passengers in an airplane
>>> hangar where evac­uees were received and on two other occasions: when they
>>> helped distribute keys for room assignments and hand out colored ribbons
>>> for identification purposes. . . .
>>>
>>> A second person familiar with the situation said the workers were not
>>> tested for coronavirus because none of them met the criteria for test­ing,
>>> which only calls for testing people who had recent travel to China or
>>> contact with a con­firmed case. The workers also did not exhibit any
>>> symptoms, the person said. If they had, appropriate protocol would have
>>> been followed.
>>>
>>> The deployments took place Jan. 28 to 31, around the time when the first
>>> plane­load of evacuees arrived at March, and Feb. 2 to Feb. 7, during the
>>> time when addi­tional flights were arriving at Travis. The planes each
>>> car­ried about 200 Americans repatriated from Wuhan.
>>>
>>> After their deployments, the workers returned to their normal duties,
>>> some taking commercial airline flights to return to their offices around
>>> the country, the lawyers said.
>>>
>>>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2003762

Right off the top.  He's not pussyfooting, that's for sure:

n any crisis, leaders have two equally important responsibilities: solve
the immediate problem and keep it from happening again. The Covid-19 *pandemic
*is a case in point.

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:20 AM Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> Yeah, that is so hilariously stupid.   It's like the white house has
> become a Conspiracy Theory factory.  "So, everyone, rather than scientists
> and experts speak about what they rationally know to be true, only totality
> unqualified and completely biased politicians are allowed to talk."
>
> Lol.
>
> this is crazy -
> https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/u-s-cdc-confirms-one-more-coronavirus-case-among-diamond-princess-evacuees
>
>
> Have they just decided - who cares about the diamond princess people?  As
> long as they don't infect other people they can happily infect themselves.
> Or WTF is going on?
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 9:48 AM Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Here is frightening news. The Trump administration is politicizing this,
>> lying about it, and suppressing the truth the way the Chinese government
>> did.
>>
>> Pence Will Control All Coronavirus Messaging From Health Officials
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/us-coronavirus-pence.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is a similar story in the WaPost text, from behind the paywall:
>>
>> Whistleblower: Workers at risk aiding evacuees
>> Complainant alleges she was targeted for raising concerns.
>> By Lena H. Sun and Yasmeen Abutaleb
>> Washington Post
>>
>> WASHINGTON -Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent
>> more than a dozen workers to receive the first Ameri­cans evacuated from
>> Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, with­out proper
>> training for infec­tion control or appropriate protective gear, according
>> to a whistleblower complaint.
>>
>> The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for
>> the virus, according to lawyers for the whistleblower, who is a senior HHS
>> official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administra­tion
>> for Children and Fami­lies, a unit within HHS.
>>
>> The whistleblower is seek­ing federal protection because she alleges she
>> was unfairly and improperly reassigned after raising concerns about the
>> safety of these workers to HHS officials, including those within the office
>> of Health and Human Services Secre­tary Alex Azar. She was told Feb. 19
>> that if she does not accept the new position in 15 days, which is March 5,
>> she would be terminated.
>>
>> The whistleblower has decades of experience in the field, received two
>> HHS department awards from Azar last year and has received the highest
>> perfor­mance evaluations, her law­yers said.
>>
>> The complaint was filed Wednesday with the Office of the Special Counsel,
>> an independent federal watch­dog agency. The whistleblow­er's lawyers
>> provided a copy of a redacted 24-page com­plaint to The Washington Post. A
>> spokesman for the Office of the Special Coun­sel said he could not com­ment
>> on complaints filed with the office. . . .
>>
>> The complaint alleges that HHS staff were "improperly deployed" and were
>> "not properly trained or equipped to operate in a public health emergency
>> situation." The complaint also alleges that the workers were poten­tially
>> exposed to corona­virus because appropriate steps were not taken to
>> pro­tect them, and staff were not trained in wearing personal protective
>> equipment, even though they had face-to-face contact with returning
>> pas­sengers. The workers were in contact with passengers in an airplane
>> hangar where evac­uees were received and on two other occasions: when they
>> helped distribute keys for room assignments and hand out colored ribbons
>> for identification purposes. . . .
>>
>> A second person familiar with the situation said the workers were not
>> tested for coronavirus because none of them met the criteria for test­ing,
>> which only calls for testing people who had recent travel to China or
>> contact with a con­firmed case. The workers also did not exhibit any
>> symptoms, the person said. If they had, appropriate protocol would have
>> been followed.
>>
>> The deployments took place Jan. 28 to 31, around the time when the first
>> plane­load of evacuees arrived at March, and Feb. 2 to Feb. 7, during the
>> time when addi­tional flights were arriving at Travis. The planes each
>> car­ried about 200 Americans repatriated from Wuhan.
>>
>> After their deployments, the workers returned to their normal duties,
>> some taking commercial airline flights to return to their offices around
>> the country, the lawyers said.
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Yeah, that is so hilariously stupid.   It's like the white house has become
a Conspiracy Theory factory.  "So, everyone, rather than scientists and
experts speak about what they rationally know to be true, only totality
unqualified and completely biased politicians are allowed to talk."

Lol.

this is crazy -
https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/u-s-cdc-confirms-one-more-coronavirus-case-among-diamond-princess-evacuees


Have they just decided - who cares about the diamond princess people?  As
long as they don't infect other people they can happily infect themselves.
Or WTF is going on?

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 9:48 AM Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Here is frightening news. The Trump administration is politicizing this,
> lying about it, and suppressing the truth the way the Chinese government
> did.
>
> Pence Will Control All Coronavirus Messaging From Health Officials
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/us-coronavirus-pence.html
>
>
> Here is a similar story in the WaPost text, from behind the paywall:
>
> Whistleblower: Workers at risk aiding evacuees
> Complainant alleges she was targeted for raising concerns.
> By Lena H. Sun and Yasmeen Abutaleb
> Washington Post
>
> WASHINGTON -Officials at the Department of Health and Human Services sent
> more than a dozen workers to receive the first Ameri­cans evacuated from
> Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak, with­out proper
> training for infec­tion control or appropriate protective gear, according
> to a whistleblower complaint.
>
> The workers did not show symptoms of infection and were not tested for the
> virus, according to lawyers for the whistleblower, who is a senior HHS
> official based in Washington who oversees workers at the Administra­tion
> for Children and Fami­lies, a unit within HHS.
>
> The whistleblower is seek­ing federal protection because she alleges she
> was unfairly and improperly reassigned after raising concerns about the
> safety of these workers to HHS officials, including those within the office
> of Health and Human Services Secre­tary Alex Azar. She was told Feb. 19
> that if she does not accept the new position in 15 days, which is March 5,
> she would be terminated.
>
> The whistleblower has decades of experience in the field, received two HHS
> department awards from Azar last year and has received the highest
> perfor­mance evaluations, her law­yers said.
>
> The complaint was filed Wednesday with the Office of the Special Counsel,
> an independent federal watch­dog agency. The whistleblow­er's lawyers
> provided a copy of a redacted 24-page com­plaint to The Washington Post. A
> spokesman for the Office of the Special Coun­sel said he could not com­ment
> on complaints filed with the office. . . .
>
> The complaint alleges that HHS staff were "improperly deployed" and were
> "not properly trained or equipped to operate in a public health emergency
> situation." The complaint also alleges that the workers were poten­tially
> exposed to corona­virus because appropriate steps were not taken to
> pro­tect them, and staff were not trained in wearing personal protective
> equipment, even though they had face-to-face contact with returning
> pas­sengers. The workers were in contact with passengers in an airplane
> hangar where evac­uees were received and on two other occasions: when they
> helped distribute keys for room assignments and hand out colored ribbons
> for identification purposes. . . .
>
> A second person familiar with the situation said the workers were not
> tested for coronavirus because none of them met the criteria for test­ing,
> which only calls for testing people who had recent travel to China or
> contact with a con­firmed case. The workers also did not exhibit any
> symptoms, the person said. If they had, appropriate protocol would have
> been followed.
>
> The deployments took place Jan. 28 to 31, around the time when the first
> plane­load of evacuees arrived at March, and Feb. 2 to Feb. 7, during the
> time when addi­tional flights were arriving at Travis. The planes each
> car­ried about 200 Americans repatriated from Wuhan.
>
> After their deployments, the workers returned to their normal duties, some
> taking commercial airline flights to return to their offices around the
> country, the lawyers said.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Can't imagine this bodes well either -
https://www.kron4.com/health/coronavirus/solano-county-declares-emergency-following-possible-community-spread-case/

Community Spread case occurred in town where  Travis Air Force Base where
dozens of people infected in China or on cruise ships have been treated.
And now some whistle blower apparently is saying people didn't take
precautions -
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/27/politics/hhs-whistleblower-coronavirus/index.html

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 3:37 PM Blaze Spinnaker 
wrote:

> Two questions that are currently speculative and open that don't get much
> press (because they are speculative, I guess, and likely will cause undue
> alarm)
>
> - Is sars2 bi-phasic ('like anthrax')
> https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/27/national/diamond-princess-coronavirus-2/
> If it is bi-phasic, how infectious are folks who haven't quite recovered?
> - Is there really an HIV mutation in sars2 that makes it 1000 times more
> stronger than sars?
> https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052495/coronavirus-far-more-likely-sars-bond-human-cells-scientists-say
>
> There is a lot of HIV discussion around coronavirus.  Hard to weed through
> all the noise.  Doctors self administering hiv meds, india paper (since
> withdrawn -
> https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Caixin/Scientists-slam-Indian-study-that-fueled-coronavirus-rumors)
> implying that HIV was artificially added to virus.
>
> If sars2 is bi-phasic and does have an HIV mutation (artificial or
> otherwise), I can only imagine the panic that will result.
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:26 AM  wrote:
>
>> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:58:45 -0500:
>> Hi,
>> >*All schools in Japan told to close until April over virus outbreak*
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/27/national/hokkaido-coronavirus-school/#.XlfJtmhKg2w
>> >
>> [snip]
>>
>> First they take a stringent measure, then immediately blow holes in it,
>> by creating exemptions.
>> [snip]
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> local asymmetry = temporary success
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Two questions that are currently speculative and open that don't get much
press (because they are speculative, I guess, and likely will cause undue
alarm)

- Is sars2 bi-phasic ('like anthrax')
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/27/national/diamond-princess-coronavirus-2/
If it is bi-phasic, how infectious are folks who haven't quite recovered?
- Is there really an HIV mutation in sars2 that makes it 1000 times more
stronger than sars?
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052495/coronavirus-far-more-likely-sars-bond-human-cells-scientists-say

There is a lot of HIV discussion around coronavirus.  Hard to weed through
all the noise.  Doctors self administering hiv meds, india paper (since
withdrawn -
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Caixin/Scientists-slam-Indian-study-that-fueled-coronavirus-rumors)
implying that HIV was artificially added to virus.

If sars2 is bi-phasic and does have an HIV mutation (artificial or
otherwise), I can only imagine the panic that will result.

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:26 AM  wrote:

> In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:58:45 -0500:
> Hi,
> >*All schools in Japan told to close until April over virus outbreak*
> >
> >
> https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/27/national/hokkaido-coronavirus-school/#.XlfJtmhKg2w
> >
> [snip]
>
> First they take a stringent measure, then immediately blow holes in it, by
> creating exemptions.
> [snip]
> Regards,
>
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> local asymmetry = temporary success
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Self-driving shuttle crashes in Las Vegas hours after launch

[Blaze Spinnaker]

There's a naivety if you think they've spent billions and not considered
circumstances like this with great detail.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:16 AM, Alain Sepeda  wrote:

> There is a naivety in many automatic cars, that the old bike driver (vehicular
> cycling schoo l
> I am quickly lost.
> This is the second time (previous was Google car facing an non
> collaborating bus), an automatic car assume collaboration and empathy from
> a professional driver.
>
> A study from franche transportation labs (INRETS) studied acciodents and
> found huge majority involve both vehicles, even the one assumed to be
> innocent. usual case is one violating by abuse or mistake a rule, and the
> other seeing and refusing the hijack causing the accident.
>
> I suspect with automatic vehicle, the problem is too much theory.
>
> 2017-11-09 3:20 GMT+01:00 H LV :
>
>> https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/8/16626224/las-vegas-self-d
>> riving-shuttle-crash-accident-first-day
>>
>>
>> While it was technically the fault of the truck driver and not the fault
>> of the self-driving shuttle, if the self driving shuttle had been
>> programmed to allow it to back up the collision could have been prevented.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Self-driving shuttle crashes in Las Vegas hours after launch

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Assuming there wasn't a baby carriage behind the shuttle!

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 6:20 PM, H LV  wrote:

> https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/8/16626224/las-vegas-self-
> driving-shuttle-crash-accident-first-day
>
>
> While it was technically the fault of the truck driver and not the fault
> of the self-driving shuttle, if the self driving shuttle had been
> programmed to allow it to back up the collision could have been prevented.
>
> Harry
>

Re: [Vo]:12 years from now

[Blaze Spinnaker]

As someone who works in the AI industry at a fortune 100 company, I can
assure you the Singularity is arriving.  Most of humanity is rapidly
becoming a 2nd class citizen.   I am skeptical that we will get AI that can
build AI, but I am confident that we will have AI, plus those who control
the AI, and then everyone else.   I hope to be in the former group and my
intention is to encourage my fellows not to take advantage of those in the
latter.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> With or without LENR (hopefully with) "The Singularity Is Near" "Near"
> being the operative variable to be concerned about today as it is the Ides
> of March.
>
> The date when "Humans Transcend Biology" was a 2006 non-fiction book about
> artificial intelligence and the future of humanity by inventor and futurist
> Ray Kurzweil. It has evolved several times with input from many others into
> a coherent vision of things to come - and embraced by almost all of the
> great minds in Technology and Futurism. At the same time, this vision has
> been marginalized from the pulpit by almost all religious leaders who see
> it as heresy. Yet, ironically, the inevitable result of Transhumanism can
> be seen as the actual fulfillment of ancient prophecy... in a way scarcely
> imaginable to those "left-behind." History is written by the survivors.
>
> The Singularity is more than the "Age of Intelligent Machines," or even
> the "Age of Spiritual Machines" the time when we invent a viable
> deity-substitute, the iGod of technology. The full concept predicts that
> that inevitable trends in all branches of high-tech like AI and genetic
> engineering and even alternative energy (according to the Anthropocene
> Institute) will merge together into a synergistic paradigm shift, each
> reinforcing the others shared vision. It is as if this merger were being
> "directed" from afar  a double irony.
>
> Following the paradigm shift which is the Singularity, most of humanity
> will effectively become 2nd class citizens, so to speak or else "absent" in
> some way. There could be a new mythology which is put in place to prevent
> the mass of humanity from fully appreciating their predicament and
> revolting against an invisible enemy. This has been dramatized in film, and
> will continue to be the subject of debate as to who is really being
> left-behind and who gets the ticket to Elysium.
>
> But the die is cast, and a mass catastrophe like a genetically engineered
> plague, is not ruled out. The bottom line is that within a short time, the
> onslaught of Evolution will have presented Earth with more than a new elite
> - it will be a new dominant species - part biological and part
> manufactured, Brave New World meets Asimov's Robot series (he did not go
> far enough).
>
> That future date for the Singularity has been moving target, but was
> updated today to be the year 2029,  or 12 years from now.
>
> Personally, I'd welcome the change, but the date is a bit too far out
> there to make a reservation. As MLK would say . *I may not get there
> with you*, but I've been to the mountaintop...
>
>

[Vo]:Inside tiny tubes, water turns solid when it should be boiling

[Blaze Spinnaker]

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/11/161128152140.htm

The discovery illustrates how even very familiar materials can drastically
change their behavior when trapped inside structures measured in
nanometers, or billionths of a meter.

[Vo]:New Record Low Solar Price in Abu Dhabi – Costs Plunging Faster Than Expected

[Blaze Spinnaker]

http://rameznaam.com/2016/09/21/new-record-low-solar-price-in-abu-dhabi-costs-plunging-faster-than-expected/

[Vo]:Elon Musk thinks we're in a simulation.

[Blaze Spinnaker]

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-ai-artificial-intelligence-computer-simulation-gaming-virtual-reality-a7060941.html

He's parroting Bostrom here, that the only chance we're not in a simulation
is that civilizations blow themselves up before they get to a point where
they can simulate things. (Because if civilizations DID get to a point
where they can simulate things, than odds are very good that we're in one
of their simulations).

Therefore, we better hope we're in a sim, otherwise we're one of those
civilizations that's about to blow itself up.

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Oh noes, solar power incident results in . burnt tower. This is why
solar power is the solution to everything.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:31 AM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> Oops, Default
>
> Oops, Fire
>
>
> http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/ivanpah-solar-plant-catches-fire-but-taxpayers-get-burned/
>
> Oops
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> I wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The taxpayers will get their money back eventually. The power companies
>>> are not going to stop buying electricity from this installation. They may
>>> renegotiate the price . . .
>>>
>>
>> Source:
>>
>> I think I read this at Renewable Energy World, but I cannot find the
>> article. Anyway, that is the usual arrangement. Since the machine is up and
>> running, and making a profit on current operations, the taxpayers should be
>> reimbursed. The owners may face bankruptcy.
>>
>> http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/index.html
>>
>> The article went on to say this is quite different from the situation at
>> Solyndra. There was no revenue stream when Solyndra went bankrupt. They did
>> not have anything up and running.
>>
>> When a company goes bankrupt, if there are parts of the company which are
>> making a current profit, the courts are careful to keep those parts in
>> business. They try not to sell off assets or do anything else which will
>> disrupt those parts and stop the flow of income. They try not to cause more
>> unemployment than necessary. On the other hand, they direct the current
>> profit flow to the creditors, and away from stockholders. When Uncle Sam is
>> among the creditors or unpaid vendors, he always goes to the front of the
>> line. That's how it works.
>>
>> The Solyndra bankruptcy has been called a scandal. It is not a scandal.
>> Any investment can go south. Many governments supported ventures have
>> failed. In this case, the Solyndra portion of the fund failed but overall
>> the fund did exceptionally well and made a ton of money for the taxpayers.
>> You might argue that the Federal government should not be investing in
>> technology. That might appeal to purists who think the government should
>> play no role in the economy, but as I have often pointed out, the
>> government has played a leading role since the construction of the Erie
>> Canal, and in ever major technology since then. If it had not, I expect the
>> U.S. would have lost the Civil War, WWI and WWII.
>>
>> Since most Federal money goes to conventional technology such as coal and
>> oil, I do not think the industry should complain.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

[Blaze Spinnaker]

It's not that sorry.  The problem is poor people in apartments bear the
brunt of increased utility prices.  Yay for rich people and their solar
installations though, I guess.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> There is a residential solar power war going on now (see Scientific
> American issue 11/2014) between homeowners having rooftop solar panels and
> the power companies.  The power companies believe they have a right to
> supply all of your power and are charging additional fees if you have
> panels on your roof.  The argument is that the homeowners with solar panels
> are not buying enough electricity to pay for his portion of the electrical
> infrastructure.  Even though the power company charges a fixed fee
> historically plus a charge per kWH, they make most of their profit on the
> amount of electricity (the kWH) you use because they charge you a retail
> price which is about twice as much as their wholesale price to produce that
> energy or buy it.  So the new added fee is for not using enough electricity
> to pay the profit they need from each individual to pay for their
> infrastructure.
>
> The power company leaders are meeting in secret together to create
> strategies to keep sucking what they believe is their fair share of money
> from everyone who has alternative power but is still connected to the
> grid.  It is a sorry situation for getting the US into use of a significant
> fraction of alternative energy.
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Fortunately, looks like LENR may not be needed to rescue the planet
>>>
>>> http://www.keith.seas.harvard.edu/blog-1/cheapsolarpower
>>>
>>
>> Indeed.  If solar power will help humanity to squeak by, and LENR will
>> allow it to build out all kinds of military capabilities, solar power may
>> end up saving humanity where LENR would doom it.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>

[Vo]:Cheap Solar Power (harvard.edu)

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Fortunately, looks like LENR may not be needed to rescue the planet

http://www.keith.seas.harvard.edu/blog-1/cheapsolarpower

Re: [Vo]:13th Floor - deja vu all over again

[Blaze Spinnaker]

This star trek episode was much better, IMHO:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inner_Light_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

One thing Sim theory does is really give a new light on Heaven and Hell.
Better make good choices, or your uploaded brain could be placed into Sim
HELL and as someone who've played some pretty scary video games, I can only
imagine how bad Sim HELL could really be.

Sim heaven, on the other hand, could be pretty awesome.


On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. <hoyt-stea...@cox.net>
wrote:

> One of my dramatizations of this theme is from StarTrek NG.  Note it has
> recursion and chirality reversal -- very well done!
>
>
>
>
>
> Ship in a bottle; Elementary Dear Data
> <http://hoytstearns.com/Abraham/ElementaryDearData_ShipInABottle.wmv>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hoyt Stearns
>
> Scottsdale Arizona US
>
>
>
> *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 23, 2016 2:12 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:13th Floor - deja vu all over again
>
>
>
> *From:* Blaze Spinnaker
>
> Ø   Also, it does lend credence to concepts of immortality. One goal
> of transhumanists is backing up your 'brain'. If you die, you just need to
> reload it into a simulation.
>
> Who needs the simulation, or stated differently, isn’t the Sim intrinsic
> to power-law evolution? Can an individual use the Sim to avoid being
> locked into an endless succession of Sims?
>
> It may be possible within a generation to essentially “download a brain”… such
> that the dying individual at least has the comfort of a
> continuity-mythology (of a scientific variety)… IOW, which is not tied to
> the whims of 3000 year old fairy tales … including the reality of a
> special kind of physical immortality.
>
> The evolution of the SSD, the PC, AI and AR is clearly towards the 
> implementation
> of the SSS – the solid state soul… J The SSS can find a carrier in many
> kinds of vehicles.
>
> There is even an advantage to accomplishing this kind of mechanical
> continuity outside the Sim, for the most successful individuals, the 2%. Side
> note: In truth, this select few should be far less than 1 percent of the
> general population, but there is a wider margin, based on other factors in
> a capitalistic society, including wealth. This is most evident in a
> political season.
>
> The disembodied (re-bodied) soul of the second tier (the Betas of Brave
> New World) as an SSS becomes a marketable item in a capitalist system, as
> does the genetically perfected body. Evolution is taken over by an
> exponential power law. The Sim is inevitable at some point and ingrained
> in the process, so the next goal is to develop the best Sim in order to jump
> out of the Sim-cycle.
>
> The wealthy would-be couple avoid children in favor or wealth, or most
> likely the single parent, who then will buy a genetically engineered
> near-duplicate body, a product of a surrogate mother, based his/her own
> perfected genome – which is of course the equivalent of the “alphas” of
> BNW. They can shop around for available compatible souls to supplement
> his/her own contribution - from a broker of such - as a head-start
> towards evolution of both together.
>
> The possibilities are mind boggling … especially with a fine Pinot Noir
> to be sampled at 5… or earlier if this thread mutates into new territory…
>
>
> --
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>
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>

Re: [Vo]:13th Floor - deja vu all over again

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Also, it does lend credence to concepts of immortality.   One goal of
transhumanists is backing up your 'brain'.  If you die, you just need to
reload it into a simulation.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Oh, I dunno, if you model the universe as a simulation you can attempt to
> make some assumptions about how the simulation substrate is structured.
> Once you have that, you can think about ways of 'piercing the veil'.   You
> can also leverage the model to make more consistent theories about way
> things work.
>
> I don't think it's an idle speculation.
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> *http://www.techtimes.com/articles/152927/20160423/universe-probably-simulation-neil-degrasse-tyson.htm*
>> <http://www.techtimes.com/articles/152927/20160423/universe-probably-simulation-neil-degrasse-tyson.htm>
>>
>> The headline is an attention grabber:
>>
>> *Universe Is Probably A Simulation*: Neil DeGrasse Tyson
>>
>> Tyson is a product of television’s need to put a smiling PC face on
>> science, and is almost as much of a mock-traditionalist (and pompous
>> luddite wrt LENR) as is Michio Kaku and a few others. However, they know
>> how to surf a few extreme notions, so long as they can find a niche which 
>> captures
>> the imagination and is impossible to falsify.
>>
>> Tyson may have gotten his head out of his… err… blind spot, long enough
>> to make an interesting call on the matrix theme which comes up here from
>> time to time. In another part of the Universe, his doppelganger is
>> probably smiling to a camera, playing up the cold fusion discovery.
>>
>> We need to get hold of that Sim code and reboot. BTW, here is a seriously
>> pompous explanation of the Sim-concept from Bostrom, who has his head so
>> far in the black hole that he fails to mention the movie, as if it were
>> some kind of lowbrow pandering that doesn’t really matter very much to
>> geniuses in ivory towers.
>>
>> *http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html*
>> <http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html>
>>
>> BTW – as to the Wachowskis – they were lucky with the Matrix, not good.
>> The sequels were among the worst films in the history of Hollywood… but
>> heck, I’d rather be lucky than good on most days… wouldn’t you?
>>
>> Think: Tsutomu Yamaguchi.  He was on a business trip to Hiroshima on
>> August 6th, 1945. As he arrived, a bomb named “little boy” blew up a few
>> miles away. He was shielded by the train. After spending a night in an
>> air raid shelter, unhurt but shaken, Yamaguchi went home. To Nagasaki. He
>> survived that one too. The original meme model for: “been there, done
>> that.”
>>
>> As for putting a pretty face on the less explosive science of LENR, I’ll
>> stick with Julian Schwinger or Brian Josephson if a prominent name just
>> has to attach to every belief structure… instead of Luddite talking heads,
>> pandering to publically funded constituencies in Big-Science… Hear, hear…
>> More money for LHC!
>>
>> … but occasionally picking up on an outlier... for the PR effect.
>>
>> That’s why we love out boob-tube.
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:13th Floor - deja vu all over again

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Oh, I dunno, if you model the universe as a simulation you can attempt to
make some assumptions about how the simulation substrate is structured.
Once you have that, you can think about ways of 'piercing the veil'.   You
can also leverage the model to make more consistent theories about way
things work.

I don't think it's an idle speculation.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>
> *http://www.techtimes.com/articles/152927/20160423/universe-probably-simulation-neil-degrasse-tyson.htm*
> 
>
> The headline is an attention grabber:
>
> *Universe Is Probably A Simulation*: Neil DeGrasse Tyson
>
> Tyson is a product of television’s need to put a smiling PC face on
> science, and is almost as much of a mock-traditionalist (and pompous
> luddite wrt LENR) as is Michio Kaku and a few others. However, they know
> how to surf a few extreme notions, so long as they can find a niche which 
> captures
> the imagination and is impossible to falsify.
>
> Tyson may have gotten his head out of his… err… blind spot, long enough
> to make an interesting call on the matrix theme which comes up here from
> time to time. In another part of the Universe, his doppelganger is
> probably smiling to a camera, playing up the cold fusion discovery.
>
> We need to get hold of that Sim code and reboot. BTW, here is a seriously
> pompous explanation of the Sim-concept from Bostrom, who has his head so
> far in the black hole that he fails to mention the movie, as if it were
> some kind of lowbrow pandering that doesn’t really matter very much to
> geniuses in ivory towers.
>
> *http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html*
> 
>
> BTW – as to the Wachowskis – they were lucky with the Matrix, not good.
> The sequels were among the worst films in the history of Hollywood… but
> heck, I’d rather be lucky than good on most days… wouldn’t you?
>
> Think: Tsutomu Yamaguchi.  He was on a business trip to Hiroshima on
> August 6th, 1945. As he arrived, a bomb named “little boy” blew up a few
> miles away. He was shielded by the train. After spending a night in an
> air raid shelter, unhurt but shaken, Yamaguchi went home. To Nagasaki. He
> survived that one too. The original meme model for: “been there, done
> that.”
>
> As for putting a pretty face on the less explosive science of LENR, I’ll
> stick with Julian Schwinger or Brian Josephson if a prominent name just
> has to attach to every belief structure… instead of Luddite talking heads,
> pandering to publically funded constituencies in Big-Science… Hear, hear…
> More money for LHC!
>
> … but occasionally picking up on an outlier... for the PR effect.
>
> That’s why we love out boob-tube.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Maybe the whole eCat is just one big lithium battery bank.

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yah, I think this is more likely - that they just can't duplicate what
> he's done.
>
> I think Jed is over reaching and making big assumptions on what he's been
> told by his 'insider' sources.  Lol.
>
> For example, Rossi might be refueling his eCats with something and Penon
> might just not be in on it.  Who knows.  Rossi does say he's around the
> things 24/7
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, a.ashfield <a.ashfi...@verizon.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','a.ashfi...@verizon.net');>> wrote:
>
>> Jed,
>>
>> My reading of IH's statement is quite different.  I don't recall them
>> saying there was no heat.  They said THEY could not duplicate Rossi's
>> results.  That is not the same thing.
>>
>> There has been quite a lot of speculation that the dispute is really
>> about whether they have received sufficient know how from Rossi to make
>> E-Cats that run with a high COP for a long time.  Not that the 1 MW plant
>> does not work.  IH did not SAY that it didn't.  As far as we know the ERV
>> report said that it did work.
>>
>> Jed wrote.
>>
>>> I do not know if there is another complete report, but I do know that
>>> the I.H. observer disagrees with the Penon report, for good reasons."
>>>
>>> Earlier I thought you wrote that Penon was incompetent and the report
>>> valueless
>>
>>
>> I think he is incompetent based on his 2012 report, as I said. I.H. says
>> they disagree with the report. They say there is no heat. That makes the
>> report valueless. I trust I.H.'s expertise in calorimetry more than I trust
>> Penon's.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Now you say the report damns Rossi.
>>>
>>
>> That's what I.H. says, not me. They say there is no heat. That damns the
>> report.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Earlier you wrote there were two ERV's.  Now it seems there is only one.
>>>
>>
>> I think there are three people involved, Penon, Barry West and Fulvio
>> Fabiani. That is my reading of the legal paper that Eric Walker kindly dug
>> up. I do not know who is responsible for what, or how many reports were
>> written, but in any case, I am sure that I.H. strongly disagrees with the
>> Penon report. They made that clear in the press release and in additional
>> comments to me. I hope the details will all be published eventually, but I
>> cannot say when that might happen.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Rossi stated that he wanted to release the report but had not on his
>>> attorney;s advice.  How dO you know better?
>>>
>>
>> I cannot discuss that now. I hope I can later today. Sorry to be
>> mysterious, but I really do hope I can say something definitive about that
>> topic soon. The rest, including the report, may remain shrouded in mystery.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Next Big Future - goes out on a limb

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Yah, I think this is more likely - that they just can't duplicate what he's
done.

I think Jed is over reaching and making big assumptions on what he's been
told by his 'insider' sources.  Lol.

For example, Rossi might be refueling his eCats with something and Penon
might just not be in on it.  Who knows.  Rossi does say he's around the
things 24/7

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, a.ashfield  wrote:

> Jed,
>
> My reading of IH's statement is quite different.  I don't recall them
> saying there was no heat.  They said THEY could not duplicate Rossi's
> results.  That is not the same thing.
>
> There has been quite a lot of speculation that the dispute is really about
> whether they have received sufficient know how from Rossi to make E-Cats
> that run with a high COP for a long time.  Not that the 1 MW plant does not
> work.  IH did not SAY that it didn't.  As far as we know the ERV report
> said that it did work.
>
> Jed wrote.
>
>> I do not know if there is another complete report, but I do know that the
>> I.H. observer disagrees with the Penon report, for good reasons."
>>
>> Earlier I thought you wrote that Penon was incompetent and the report
>> valueless
>
>
> I think he is incompetent based on his 2012 report, as I said. I.H. says
> they disagree with the report. They say there is no heat. That makes the
> report valueless. I trust I.H.'s expertise in calorimetry more than I trust
> Penon's.
>
>
>
>>Now you say the report damns Rossi.
>>
>
> That's what I.H. says, not me. They say there is no heat. That damns the
> report.
>
>
>
>> Earlier you wrote there were two ERV's.  Now it seems there is only one.
>>
>
> I think there are three people involved, Penon, Barry West and Fulvio
> Fabiani. That is my reading of the legal paper that Eric Walker kindly dug
> up. I do not know who is responsible for what, or how many reports were
> written, but in any case, I am sure that I.H. strongly disagrees with the
> Penon report. They made that clear in the press release and in additional
> comments to me. I hope the details will all be published eventually, but I
> cannot say when that might happen.
>
>
>
>> Rossi stated that he wanted to release the report but had not on his
>> attorney;s advice.  How dO you know better?
>>
>
> I cannot discuss that now. I hope I can later today. Sorry to be
> mysterious, but I really do hope I can say something definitive about that
> topic soon. The rest, including the report, may remain shrouded in mystery.
>
> - Jed
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi states his reason for not publishing Penon report

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Wow, Jed, not only are you an expert at calorimetry but you're also lawyer
too.  Quite the liberal arts degree you got there, where do I get one of
those babies.

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> a.ashfield  > asked me a
> reasonable question:
>
>
>> Rossi stated that he wanted to release the report but had not on his
>> attorney;s advice.  How dO you know better?
>>
>
> Rossi was more specific in a message he sent to Mats Lewan today. He "his
> lawyer won’t let him" publish the Penon report, because if he publishes it,
> the report "would not be valid as evidence" in court.
>
> This is nonsense, for the following reasons:
>
> 1. There is no rule that only unpublished documents can be used as
> evidence in a trial. Published documents and newspaper articles are often
> used.
>
> 2. All the documents submitted as evidence in the lawsuit are now
> published. Anyone can get copies of them. So obviously, there is no rule
> that documents in lawsuits must be kept secret!
>
> 3. This document is central to the lawsuit. It should have been included
> among the documents submitted.
>
>
> Someone in Lewan's blog discussion wrote:
>
>
>> *That is why Rossi said he can only release it after he gets permission
>> from his lawyer – which, in practice, means after it becomes a required
>> filing as part of the court proceeding – and that probably doesn’t happen
>> until the court requests to see it.*
>>
>
> This is incorrect. You can include any documents you like in a lawsuit.
> You do not wait until the court requests a document -- you include it from
> the start. This is a key document in the dispute. There is no reason to
> leave it out. Many documents of lesser importance were included.
>
> I am confident that the only reason Rossi has not published the Penon
> report is because it makes him look foolish. It destroys his credibility. I
> hope that someday the report is published.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

[Blaze Spinnaker]

What really upsets  me is that folks are defending Rossi here versus Thomas
Darden, a successful leader who has worked hard to invest and advance
environmental technology.   Also someone who cut cheques of 11M plus to
Andrea Rossi, by all public reports, a convicted fraudster who spent time
in Jail.

That's right, Darden gave real investor money to an ex-con.

And yet people are defending Rossi, here?   Come on!!

I really hope Rossi has something, but I think everyone would be better
served if his Fans would grasp reality and speak to Rossi with a unified
voice that it is now time for him to either go-away, shut down his blog,
and STFU until he has something Real that he can share publically.

On Monday, April 11, 2016, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The study of LENR now requires a study of the law. Reading how the 89M is
> paid has nothing to do with IP. Final payment is strictly based on a
> positive ERV report. IMHO, I.H. cannot holdback payment because they are
> not satisfied with the distribution of IP.
>
> Any IP issues are red herrings with regards to the final payment based on
> the letter of the licence agreement.
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','blazespinna...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> No, Thomas Darden is a committed environmentalist who's been working on
>> these things for his whole life.  His whole network of friends are
>> supportive of environmental causes.   This sort of thinking is what makes
>> vortex a bit scary at times.
>>
>> The reality is that patents / etc are all meaningless.   Rossi just has
>> to publish schematics for his device.   He's old and as far as I know
>> doesn't have children.   Nothing in the world could stop him if he had
>> anything real.
>>
>> It's pretty simple though.  The guy has a lose relationship with the
>> truth and a history of causing clusters, and this is yet another.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 11, 2016, Che <comandantegri...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','comandantegri...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This thought must have occurred to others -- even when things were going
>>> swimmingly... but I don't see mention of it bobbing to the surface here.
>>>
>>> Q: Could this entire undertaking with these present U.S. venture
>>> capitalists have been a set-up job all along -- *intended* to embroil and
>>> sink Rossi from the start: with the ultimate goal of sinking the entire
>>> LENR field if possible; but specifically aimed at doing its desired damage
>>> through (at the very least) tying the E-Cat up in the U.S. courts for
>>> years... and thus sidelining and ruining the legitimately-aggrieved parties
>>> (Rossi & Co.)..?
>>>
>>> Who would have an interest in doing just that..?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi/E-Cat lawsuit: A long-in-the-making set-up job..?

[Blaze Spinnaker]

No, Thomas Darden is a committed environmentalist who's been working on
these things for his whole life.  His whole network of friends are
supportive of environmental causes.   This sort of thinking is what makes
vortex a bit scary at times.

The reality is that patents / etc are all meaningless.   Rossi just has to
publish schematics for his device.   He's old and as far as I know doesn't
have children.   Nothing in the world could stop him if he had anything
real.

It's pretty simple though.  The guy has a lose relationship with the truth
and a history of causing clusters, and this is yet another.

On Monday, April 11, 2016, Che  wrote:

>
> This thought must have occurred to others -- even when things were going
> swimmingly... but I don't see mention of it bobbing to the surface here.
>
> Q: Could this entire undertaking with these present U.S. venture
> capitalists have been a set-up job all along -- *intended* to embroil and
> sink Rossi from the start: with the ultimate goal of sinking the entire
> LENR field if possible; but specifically aimed at doing its desired damage
> through (at the very least) tying the E-Cat up in the U.S. courts for
> years... and thus sidelining and ruining the legitimately-aggrieved parties
> (Rossi & Co.)..?
>
> Who would have an interest in doing just that..?
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Defending Rossi at this point is an action of the absolute naive

[Blaze Spinnaker]

tax fraud is tax fraud.   Even if he was cleared in court of other things,
a pattern exists.

Anyways, the real point here is it's time for  his fan base to tell him to
put up or shut up.

On Monday, April 11, 2016, Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is wrong to say Rossi have a pattern of fraud. He is cleared of that in
> court, and the pattern of the affair in italy looks more like bad
> industrialization facing mafia of wastes.
>
> he have however a pattern of :
> - industrialization problems(Petroldragon, BiTe TEG, E-cat)
> - loose evidences (TEG, E-cat demo 1/2, Ferrara, lugano)
> - secrecy and lack of trust
> - inflated expectations (Petroldragon, TEG, E-cat)
>
> about IH , I see no other partner who moan on them.
>
> Don't put on malice what you can put on lack of rigor and distrust on
> humanity.
>
>
> 2016-04-11 14:59 GMT+02:00 Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','blazespinna...@gmail.com');>>:
>
>> Look, I am hopeful he actually has 50x COP... But seriously folks.
>> Thomas Darden had an impeccable reputation.  He also went out on a limb and
>> gave Rossi 11m plus USD.
>>
>> Rossi, on the hand, has absolutely nothing but a pattern of fraud and
>> deceit.
>>
>> 50x COP is an absolute crazy number when he could barely show anything
>> realiably in any previous test.
>>
>> Let's hope it proves true, but at this point even the most ardent
>> believer should be exceedingly skeptical until Rossi ponies up something
>> real or we get some very very solid replications.
>>
>>
>>
>

[Vo]:Defending Rossi at this point is an action of the absolute naive

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Look, I am hopeful he actually has 50x COP... But seriously folks.   Thomas
Darden had an impeccable reputation.  He also went out on a limb and gave
Rossi 11m plus USD.

Rossi, on the hand, has absolutely nothing but a pattern of fraud and
deceit.

50x COP is an absolute crazy number when he could barely show anything
realiably in any previous test.

Let's hope it proves true, but at this point even the most ardent believer
should be exceedingly skeptical until Rossi ponies up something real or we
get some very very solid replications.

Re: [Vo]:Industrial Heat Patent?

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Patents are far more complicated than just work/don't work.   Just because
some claim in some patent might actually work, doesn't necessarily mean the
whole things works.  That claim is still useful and IH was paying for the
R



On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 5:41 AM, Craig Haynie 
wrote:

> If Industrial Heat says that the reactor doesn't work, then why did they
> apply for a patent with Rossi's technology?
>
>
> https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2015127263=1==PCT+Biblio
>
> https://www.google.com/patents/WO2015127263A3?cl=en
>
> Rossi is now saying that they have just applied for another one:
>
> "Today I have been informed that IH has again made another patent using my
> name as the inventor and my invention, to make a patent assigned to
> Industrial Heat, without my authorization."
>
> If they are patenting Rossi's intellectual property, which he sold to them
> in this deal which IH did not finalize, then this would explain why Rossi
> is suing, instead of just letting it go.
>
> Craig
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Selective memories IH selected and agreed to the team to test the E-Cat

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Wow a lot of sound and fury.  Let's all wait for the ERV report or court
filings from Darden & Co.

On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 2:46 AM, Ian Walker  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Some people seem to suffer from a selective memory glitch.
>
> HIGH TEMPERATURE E-CAT MODULE Test of July 16th, 2012 for E-Cat
> Certification
> Was with a three man test team of:
> :Fabio Penon , M.Eng. (Nuclear Engineer, Product Certification Specialist)
> E-Cat Electronic Control System Specialist
> :Fulvio Fabiani, M.Eng.
> Radiation Protection Report:
> David Bianchini, M.Sc (Physicist, Radiation Measurements Specialist).
>
> The test was at the behest of IH and paid for by them to their
> specification, using people they selected and agreed too to the tune of $10
> million.
>
> Rossi merely continued to use the Nuclear Engineer, Product Certification
> Specialist that IH were satisfied with, at any time in the last few years
> IH could have chosen another engineer, they did not; therefore they were
> happy with him to do the job.
>
> Kind Regards walker
>

Re: [Vo]:I.H. press release responding to Rossi

[Blaze Spinnaker]

It's possible that IH simply doesn't have the money to pay and they flaked.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Robert Lynn 
wrote:

> *De-lurks*
>
> Ridiculous to assert that IH have not acting in good faith - if the demo
> worked they would be the happiest people in the world and would be on track
> to make vast amounts of money even if they had to hand over 90million they
> would be doing so with a big smile on their face.  The very simple truth is
> that Rossi has made big claims and has (as usual) failed to deliver.
> Almost certainly IH will have their hands tied due to confidentiality
> agreements, so will be prevented from revealing in detail just how
> bad/unconvincing things are and how ridiculous Rossi's usual dissembling
> shenanigans have been.
>
> Looking back through all his demos he has never done one that has
> unequivocally proven that it works - always potential errors greater than
> claimed outputs.  I note also that attempted replications by those using
> high standards of practice like MFMP have not managed to get LENR
> unequivocally working - accepting that reality and yet believing that Rossi
> has through incredible luck and bad experimental practices succeeded with
> different configurations, different temperature regimes and different
> ignition methods and approaches with massive power outputs and high COPs
> where all others have failed is several bridges too far in the level of
> credulity required.  I am no longer willing to give Rossi the benefit of
> the doubt - he is transparently just playing for time and more money, and
> with his track record you would need to be a mug or the king of wishful
> thinking to keep believing in him.
>
> The only vague question left in my mind is whether he truly believes he
> has cracked the LENR nut.  I could be convinced that he does, and is
> fooling himself, but think it most likely he does not given how long his
> circus has been going on.
>
> On 8 April 2016 at 12:10, Frank Znidarsic  wrote:
>
>> It is Rossi that says that the test was OK. According to IH, it was not OK,
>> > because IH says three years without success, not merely 1 year. So, the
>> > money is still in the escrow.
>>
>>
>> Maybe we should ask Steven Krivit.  He seems to have the heads up on a
>> lot of this stuff.
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Production plans and report will be published

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Well, might want to spend those resources on a slightly more experienced
lawyer than.  The guy they got for this has just a few years under his belt
and UFL is ranked about 46/201

Considering Darden graduated from yale, Rossi might be a bit outlcassed
here.

On Thursday, April 7, 2016, a.ashfield  wrote:

> Janne: ".. I hope you will have other sources of MASSIVE financing…"
>
> "Andrea Rossi April 7, 2016 at 9:17 AM
> Janne:
> We are stronger than you can imagine.
> Warm Regards,
> A.R."
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

[Blaze Spinnaker]

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Craig Haynie 
wrote:

> See section 3.2(b). The $10,000,000 is held in escrow.
>
>
> http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rossi_et_al_v_Darden_et_al__flsdce-16-21199__0001.2.pdf
>
>
>
That's just saying it went into escrow first as part of the agreement.
That's standard for sure.  The complaint says it got paid.  Look at #58 of
the complaint
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WZ2JPbkQtWEd4dVk/view

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

[Blaze Spinnaker]

"I think the fight is over the $10 million in escrow, which looks like it
may go back to IH if the deal falls through."

I saw nothing saying the money is in escrow.   Pretty sure it's been paid
to leonardo.  See line 58

Re: [Vo]:Problems with 2012 Penon report

[Blaze Spinnaker]

I don't think Penon's competency is an issue at all here.   Anyone can
measure 50x cop.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I have been complaining that Penon seems incompetent. It is a little
> unfair for me to grouse without substantiating my complaints. Let me
> briefly describe why I am not impressed.
>
> The report is here:
>
> http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/105322688-Penon4-1.pdf
>
> As I wrote previously:
>
> "It says output was 2.5 ~ 3.7 kW, and input was 3.6 kW."
>
> That's a BIG PROBLEM. Red flag! If I did a study and came up with an
> answer somewhere between 2.5 and 3.7 kW I would not publish it. That is an
> absurdly wide error margin. Narrowing it down in this case is easy. It is
> trivial. You calibrate. You step the cell through 8 or 10 steps at power
> levels ranging from 4 to 8 kW. That range covers the lowest to the highest
> power levels you think the cell is producing.
>
> I also said:
>
> "I do not think much of the methodology. I recommend calibrations and the
> use of thermocouple to augment the IR camera."
>
> I just explained why calibrations are important. I do not see them in this
> report. A thermocouple to confirm the IR camera is essential.
>
> "I admit I have not looked as closely as I did to the Levi reports, but I
> am not impressed. . . ."
>
> When I saw that gigantic error margin I thought, "What the hell is going
> on? Why didn't he get a better answer than that?!?" Basically I tossed it
> aside after that.
>
> The method of using an IR camera is crude but it can be done reasonably
> well, with calibrations and a thermocouple and some other precautions. It
> is not a bad start. But I would follow up with flow calorimetry, probably
> air-flow rather than water.
>
> A person who screws up a test on this scale can probably screw up a
> megawatt test too. Measuring megawatts is harder than you might think. It
> is actually easier to measure, say, 100 W with confidence than it is to
> measure a megawatt.
>
>
> Jones Beene also got a bad impression from this report. Maybe he tell us
> his reasons.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Press Release - Cold Fusion (LENR) Verified - Inventor Sues Industrial Heat, LLC.

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Agreed, a settlment seems likely.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Lennart Thornros  wrote:

> 89 million dollars is a lot of money.
> I think there will be a settlement within three months.
> I do not think we need to find out who is the bad boy.
> I think they all are in a league they have not played before.
> My reasoning for believing in a settlement is that they destroy the lead
> to the market if they drag this out.
>
> Best Regards ,
> Lennart Thornros
>
>
> lenn...@thornros.com
> +1 916 436 1899
>
> Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
> enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Lennart Thornros  > wrote:
>
>> Jed,
>> I am amazed. You just say things. no support as far as I can see.
>> You said in black I think in red.
>> While I have not disqualified these measurements, I have some doubts
>> about them because:
>>
>> 1. Based on his previous work, Penon is not qualified to do calorimetry. I
>> have no clue about how well you know this guys qualifications except you
>> read a report you think was flawed. If the COP was 50, then I (and I am not
>> good at calorimetry) could give the answer that at least COP6 was reached.
>>
>> 2. Penon is not independent of Rossi. How do you know that? How could IH
>> use a guy they suspect is in Rossi's pocket. You underestimate the players.
>>
>> 3. He is not licensed in Florida to do this kind of measurement. Sorry
>> but license is just an issue of passing a simple exam and pay the fees. I
>> know there is probably some experience required but that can always be
>> fixed - believe me.BTW if he is licensed anywhere would that make a
>> difference.
>>
>> 4. I. H. said they disagree with the result. They know more about
>> calorimetry than Penon does, so I am inclined to believe them. Now you
>> are way out of line. IH does not know anything. My guess is that Darden and
>> I are equal when it comes to calorimetry. Other people in IH are not in the
>> picture and then calorimetry is not the only way to get things secured.
>>
>> I will have to wait to see the report. I agree you are way too early. My
>> guess is that it will never be published, so we will never know who is
>> right. I would have agreed with you a couple of days ago. Now we might
>> see a lawsuit and then this report will be fully disclosed. It will take a
>> couple of years but . . .
>>
>>  I do not know if you doubt that we are approaching a new technology that
>> can have positive impact on many areas of life or ???
>>
>> Best Regards ,
>> Lennart Thornros
>>
>>
>> lenn...@thornros.com
>> +1 916 436 1899
>>
>> Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
>> enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Jed Rothwell > > wrote:
>>
>>> Lennart Thornros >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
 The info about COP I took from Rossi's pressrelease:
  According to the independent third party report, over the 352 day test
 period, the E-Cat consistently generated energy at a rate in excess of six
 (6) times the amount of energy consumed by the plant, often generating
 energy exceeding fifty (50) times the amount of energy consumed during the
 same period.

>>>
>>>
>>>
 It is just mind boggling to me that you disqualify the measurements and
 the methods before you have any details.

>>>
>>> I have not disqualified these measurements. I have not seen them. I was
>>> talking about Penon's previous report. It was lousy.
>>>
>>> While I have not disqualified these measurements, I have some doubts
>>> about them because:
>>>
>>> 1. Based on his previous work, Penon is not qualified to do calorimetry.
>>>
>>> 2. Penon is not independent of Rossi.
>>>
>>> 3. He is not licensed in Florida to do this kind of measurement.
>>>
>>> 4. I. H. said they disagree with the result. They know more about
>>> calorimetry than Penon does, so I am inclined to believe them.
>>>
>>> I will have to wait to see the report. My guess is that it will never be
>>> published, so we will never know who is right.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 See the positive and I think Rossi is correct saying; "the world is
 one step closer to the realization of a commercially available new, clean
 and efficient energy source."

>>>
>>> I doubt it.
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

[Blaze Spinnaker]

"I think that Rossi feels that he has been deeply wronged in the past and
for some reason I.H. is/was trying to string him along on the payment of
the 89 million dollars owed him and he wasn't going to wait for any excuses
and filed as soon as he felt he might never see the money/profit he feels
he is due. He just wasn't going to be taken again. Obviously, just my own
take on what's going on.

Robert"

I suspect it's just ballsy fraud.  Rossi is probably just playing for a
settlement.  That's speculation of course, I have no inside knowledge.

So, who knows.   I think there is about a 5% chance it's real.

Re: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

[Blaze Spinnaker]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> Obviously, this all gets down to the data, in the end. Are there 2000
>> hours of reliable data for power out vs. power in ? If so, then this will
>> probably never go to trial – the Court will appoint an expert and the
>> verdict will be directed based on his finding.
>
>
> Maybe an out-of-court settlement will be IH's way of disengaging from
> Rossi and cutting ties.
>
> Eric
>
>
> Yeah, it'll either be a drawn out case or a settlement.   Rossi was
charging a lot more than just non payment.  He's got all sorts of fraud
counts in there.

Re: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Well, I was coming from the strong expectation that the report wasn't going
to show anything at all.

Though - from the perspective of the damage this can do to LENR in
general ,yeah, this could be very bad.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','blazespinna...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> I am actually hopeful.  50x is pretty high.  It was installed in a
>> customer site.   That's some crazy attempt at fraud.
>
>
> I have a bad feeling about the lawsuit.  It does not make me any more
> confident in Rossi's account.  But I agree that if there is fraud, Rossi is
> now shooting for the moon.
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

[Blaze Spinnaker]

10) If there is solid data over thousands of hours which backs Rossi’s
and Penon’s claim and the COP is much less – say 1.5 then it will be
a tough call but Rossi could win.

I got the sense that 6x COP was required for the payout

Re: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

[Blaze Spinnaker]

anyways, let's wait for the rebuttal.

there are a lot missing exhibits in the filing, like the ERV report,
Darden's agreement to commence the test, etc.

Maybe the ERV report will 'leak out' and experts will be able to poke holes
for Darden.

Re: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

[Blaze Spinnaker]

I am actually hopeful.  50x is pretty high.  It was installed in a customer
site.   That's some crazy attempt at fraud.

Maybe 71 is stated wrong, and it only surged to 50x.But if not, 50x
over the lifetime.. that's impressive an Rossi should get his due.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Russ George  > wrote:
>
> That is a very straight legal case Rossi reveals that points to the
>> failure of IH to honor its contract. Rossi is clearly going to win this
>> unless IH pays up the $89 million.
>>
>
> Only if: 1. Rossi has not misrepresented the contracts; and 2. Penon's
> report has merit. I know nothing about 1. Regarding 2, I have not seen the
> report, but I have doubts about Penon's abilities. Rossi's previous tests,
> including the 1 MW test in Italy, were terrible. Very sloppy. Full of holes
> that could easily have been fixed. So I do not trust his technical
> judgement.
>
> As I said here before, if you are a licensed HVAC engineer and you do
> things by the book, you will get the right answer. But Penon is not
> licensed and he seems incompetent. Rossi is clearly incompetent, in ways
> that I and many others such as the people from NASA pointed out. Unless and
> until we see this report we cannot judge, but I would not rule out a
> mistake or even fraud.
>
> It is impossible to judge the technical merits of this argument without a
> careful examination of the Penon report. You might need to see more data
> than that.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

[Blaze Spinnaker]

lol.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Russ George  wrote:

> That is a very straight legal case Rossi reveals that points to the
> failure of IH to honor its contract. Rossi is clearly going to win this
> unless IH pays up the $89 million. Rossi is in the catbird seat as he is
> being seen to enforce his IP and license agreements which is a vital task
> under IP law. The courts usually take a very simple view of such matters if
> the payments are not made and infringements are shown then Rossi gets ALL
> his IP back and IH loses any licenses.
>
>
>
> Since Rossi has now proven his tech works and IH has proven that big money
> will invest, aka Woodward funds, Rossi will find it simple to raise similar
> sums. Good for him he has played very cool and straight with IH and it
> seems clear IH has not done the same. We shall have to see what the courts
> say but in the meantime Rossi owns it all and can move ahead. Worst case
> scenario for Rossi is IH pays up to retain the license.
>
>
>
> Given the obvious leaks that have been out prior to this document saying
> Rossi and IH were having difficulties someone on the inside has been
> playing a dark game against Rossi by feeding the trolls.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 6, 2016 5:11 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> 
> *Subject:* [Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint
>
>
>
> See:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Leonardosuit01-main.pdf
>

[Vo]:Copy of Rossi's civil complaint

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Something bizarre is going on here.  He's claming 50x COP in line
71.  That's pretty hard to mistake.

Re: [Vo]:Intelligent robots threaten millions of jobs

[Blaze Spinnaker]

More education is the answer.  People people to go to school.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:46 AM, a.ashfield  wrote:

> Jed,
> While laws have been updated there are still holdouts.  Where I live near
> Philadelphia all house plumbing had to be made of copper. When a member of
> the council died <10 years ago, who happened to own a plumbing business,
> the building regulations were changed to allow plastic.
>
> Our house was built in the 1980s and at that time city water had not
> reached the area so we have a well.  The water happens to be fairly acidic
> and we have had three leaks so far.  The pipes do not seem to be being
> attacked but just small local flaws are.  I suspect there are other
> holdouts but it is gradually changing.
>
> The subject seems to have drifted from the original topic.  At least AI
> and robotics seem to have become a topic of conversation in the media.
> What I don't see is any agreement of how to handle the inevitable rise in
> unemployed.  The group-think politician's answer still appears to be "more
> education".
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: N. Y. Times article comment

[Blaze Spinnaker]

 He's looking at this as if it were a black-and-white issue. That he's
either right and they are wrong or they are wrong and he's right.  I think
there is a reasonable probability that climate change is being caused by
fossil feels.  I think there is also a pretty good possibility that fossil
fuel's are leading to the pollution that Beijing is suffering from.  Also I
believe that fossil feels are directly financing global terrorism such as
ISIS. Finally I believe that fossil fuels are running out.

 For all these reasons I cannot imagine why anyone would expend any energy
to deny efforts to redirect our global energy supply to alternative
sources.

On Monday, December 14, 2015, Bob Cook  wrote:

> higgins gets a thumbs up from me.
>
> Bob Cook
>
> *From:* Bob Higgins
> 
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 9:04 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:N. Y. Times article comment
>
> For fear of being branded a card carrying republican, I hate to comment on
> such topics.  I believe the "global warming movement" is a false flag -
> just another lie being broadcast as propaganda to achieve some government's
> pet objective.  It is not that I don't believe the earth is warming - I
> do.  The reality is that the earth goes through cold and hot cycles.  Ice
> cores show a period of 100k-200k years between glaciations (peak cold).
> What happens in the middle between peak cold glaciations?  The answer is a
> peak hot earth.  We are only about 25k years from the last peak cold
> glaciation, and probably 25k-75k years from peak hot earth.  The earth is
> presently in a gradual heating portion of the cycle as we move toward the
> peak hot earth.  The false flag is the promotion that warming as being
> caused by man - the science is not good enough to say this with any
> reliability.  Yes, there is rise in CO2 and there is warming, but the earth
> would be warming even if there were no CO2 additions.  The question is only
> whether there is a small change in rate of warming caused by the CO2
> addition.  Cutting CO2 emissions drastically will likely have no
> significant effect on warming but may incur significant cost.  Wouldn't
> that money be better spent in elimination of world poverty?
>
> Having said that, I believe there is good reason to design out the use of
> fossil fuel burning: it is poisoning the air we breath.  It is particularly
> acute in the cities and worse in the industrial coal burning cities in
> China.  The average person does not realize that with every 20 gallons of
> gas they burn in their car, they are adding over 300 pounds of CO2 to the
> air.  Another side benefit is elimination of the fighting that has its
> roots in oil supply favoritism.
>
> The justification for LENR is clean air, and clearing the landscape from
> power distribution ugliness through distributed power generation without
> the scale, danger, and nuclear waste of the fission industry.  The third
> world will benefit from this readily because they don't have a grid to
> start with.  Availability of small, non-polluting power generation systems
> (particularly CHP) will help their rise from poverty via access to energy
> without the expense of a grid and without need for world controls on
> nuclear proliferation.  And what about solving the world's fresh water
> crisis?  This is a real opportunity: LENR powered desalinization.
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Jed Rothwell  > wrote:
>
>> Calling all cold fusion flacks!
>>
>> I added a comment to this article at 10:15 (that's how you can find it).
>> I would appreciate up-votes to make it more visible:
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/14/opinion/hope-from-paris.html
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Vo]:The conspiracies do exist!

[Blaze Spinnaker]

http://boingboing.net/2015/12/08/undercover-greenpeace-activist.html

I dunno if my emails have been censored from vortex or something though.
Nobody ever replies to them anymore :D

Re: [Vo]:Antigravity started at Vortex - Fluxliner

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Anyways, here's another kind of subtle censorship:

http://boingboing.net/2015/12/08/undercover-greenpeace-activist.html

You academics sure are sneaky people.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey where was that great email about Wolfram.  Why am I not getting in
> email?
>
> The people complain about LENR censorship.  LOL!
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:20 AM, John Berry <berry.joh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Way back when multiple people apparently replicated the capwarp
>> successfully, reporting their results in Vort.
>>
>> I recall one guy even made a capacitor using the pages of a book as the
>> dielectric and claimed results.
>> http://amasci.com/caps/capwarp.html
>>
>> Well now there is a fascinating claim that a segmented circular capacitor
>> is at the heart of "alien reproduction vehicle" demoed at an exclusive
>> airshow in the 80's made by the US military contractors, much inline with
>> what Ben Rich, second director of Skunkworks has said, that we have built
>> the craft to go to the stars already.  And General Wesley Clark, the kind
>> of brass who might have attended an air show like the one in the following
>> video has said when he was running for president that his only faith based
>> initiative is that FTL travel is possible.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM8YsBiOw1c
>>
>> This second video has more of McCandlish , and the second link points to
>> a part where an HV cap loses all weight, tried by a college student.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUVoWlSHkg4   especially from
>> https://youtu.be/SUVoWlSHkg4?t=2709
>>
>> In an old Rex Research infolio I bought in the 90;'s, there was an
>> account of a science fare project by a Doyle (or Boyle?) who made an HV cap
>> with polystyrene insulation, and it lost weight, but unlike Brown's
>> research, it lost weight no mater which pole was up.
>>
>> I also read about some of Brown's work where he distinguished between
>> some portion that was directional thrust, and another portion that was a
>> straight weight loss.
>>
>> I can expand these correlations further but this is enough to show that
>> there is likely something to this.
>> While he magnitude of the effect seems to be dependent on the material
>> used as dielectric (ironically heavier is better) and the capacitor being
>> circular and perhaps segmented.
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Antigravity started at Vortex - Fluxliner

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Hey where was that great email about Wolfram.  Why am I not getting in
email?

The people complain about LENR censorship.  LOL!

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:20 AM, John Berry  wrote:

> Way back when multiple people apparently replicated the capwarp
> successfully, reporting their results in Vort.
>
> I recall one guy even made a capacitor using the pages of a book as the
> dielectric and claimed results.
> http://amasci.com/caps/capwarp.html
>
> Well now there is a fascinating claim that a segmented circular capacitor
> is at the heart of "alien reproduction vehicle" demoed at an exclusive
> airshow in the 80's made by the US military contractors, much inline with
> what Ben Rich, second director of Skunkworks has said, that we have built
> the craft to go to the stars already.  And General Wesley Clark, the kind
> of brass who might have attended an air show like the one in the following
> video has said when he was running for president that his only faith based
> initiative is that FTL travel is possible.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM8YsBiOw1c
>
> This second video has more of McCandlish , and the second link points to a
> part where an HV cap loses all weight, tried by a college student.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUVoWlSHkg4   especially from
> https://youtu.be/SUVoWlSHkg4?t=2709
>
> In an old Rex Research infolio I bought in the 90;'s, there was an account
> of a science fare project by a Doyle (or Boyle?) who made an HV cap with
> polystyrene insulation, and it lost weight, but unlike Brown's research, it
> lost weight no mater which pole was up.
>
> I also read about some of Brown's work where he distinguished between some
> portion that was directional thrust, and another portion that was a
> straight weight loss.
>
> I can expand these correlations further but this is enough to show that
> there is likely something to this.
> While he magnitude of the effect seems to be dependent on the material
> used as dielectric (ironically heavier is better) and the capacitor being
> circular and perhaps segmented.
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Ethan Siegel in Forbes: bashing E-cat, LENr and EmDrive ins a love declaration to theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

What's particularly arrogant is he says "respect scientists" but then he's
denigrating all of the extremely well educated and talented scientists that
actually believe in cold fusion.

I think Ethan is having a nervous breakdown.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> It's just click bait.  Move on.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The usual ranting of Ethan Siegel against anomalies that don't respect
>> theory.
>>
>>
>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2015/11/08/the-em-drive-nasas-impossible-engine-highlights-our-greatest-failing/
>>
>> one day we will have to tell him what is science.
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Ethan Siegel in Forbes: bashing E-cat, LENr and EmDrive ins a love declaration to theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

It's just click bait.  Move on.



On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Alain Sepeda  wrote:

> The usual ranting of Ethan Siegel against anomalies that don't respect
> theory.
>
>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2015/11/08/the-em-drive-nasas-impossible-engine-highlights-our-greatest-failing/
>
> one day we will have to tell him what is science.
>

Re: [Vo]:Ethan Siegel in Forbes: bashing E-cat, LENr and EmDrive ins a love declaration to theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Brilliant smackdown:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2015/11/08/the-em-drive-nasas-impossible-engine-highlights-our-greatest-failing/?commentId=comment_blogAndPostId/blog/comment/4033-120-22

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What's particularly arrogant is he says "respect scientists" but then he's
> denigrating all of the extremely well educated and talented scientists that
> actually believe in cold fusion.
>
> I think Ethan is having a nervous breakdown.
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It's just click bait.  Move on.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The usual ranting of Ethan Siegel against anomalies that don't respect
>>> theory.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2015/11/08/the-em-drive-nasas-impossible-engine-highlights-our-greatest-failing/
>>>
>>> one day we will have to tell him what is science.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Ethan Siegel in Forbes: bashing E-cat, LENr and EmDrive ins a love declaration to theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Hmm permalink didn't work, but here it is:

Alain Coetmeur 4 hours ago

EmDrive phenomenon is still uncertain, and may well be an unimagined
artifact. Unimagined because until now, no artifact was able toe explain
the result, and EmDrive phenomenon was replicated.

Ethan Siegel, as usual give priority to theory facing evidences.

On E-cat I can, only laugh at his misinformation. The same way, he reject
evidences only from theory, despite a much more serious list of
experimental evidences, he reject not only E-cat but also LENR aka cold
fusion.

E-cat reality, I concede, is mostly supported by business evidence, like
Tom darden commitment, 50M$ investment by Woodford fund, Fortune article
interviewing Tom darden and even strange name-dropping of Time magazine
with “Industrial Heat” Experimental evidence of E-cat are mostly loose, and
the only serious experimental evidence, the calorimetry of Ferrara test,
the melting in Ferrara, and Lugano test isotopic shift, are hidden by smoke
screen of false informations and conspiracy theories. The bad job or Rossi
until Ferrara, and then on the Swedish physicists prevented better evidence
to be clear. Anyway, people doing, like Woodford fund, their due diligence
can acquire solid evidence. Since Woodford fund is very famous in UK, many
other actors are looking at it.

However LENR, despite the pathological consensus, is beyond the reasonable
doubt.

There is hundreds of peer reviewed papers that are produced by many
scientists, from various scientists in many countries, in many recognized
organizations. The consensus denying LENr reality is no less than a
groupthink, a collective denial.

Lawrence Forsley just published on Academia.edu a document listing the best
papers presenting, among others, the numerous replications of US Navy
Spawar co-deposition LENR experiment. There is much more, and all is denied
without any rational reason.

This is why no less than Airbus Chief scientist is now supporting LENR
startups (like LENR-Cities), and organizing LENr Workshop in Airbus resort
(Toulouse).

Instead of parroting theory justified denial, I would appreciate Forbes
reports Woodford fund investment, Airbus Innovations movements, Tohoku
University LENR lab newly created with MHI and CleanPlanet, Baishishan
technology park welcoming Tom darden E-cat technology, and maybe more that
some journalist present in LENRG-Oxborf, LENRG-Milan, LENRG-Neuchatel,
should have reported.

Ethan Siegel is very good in explaining theory, and showing how evidence
match the theory.

With evidence that don’t match the theory, I think he is clearly out of his
domain of competence.


On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:56 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Brilliant smackdown:
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2015/11/08/the-em-drive-nasas-impossible-engine-highlights-our-greatest-failing/?commentId=comment_blogAndPostId/blog/comment/4033-120-22
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> What's particularly arrogant is he says "respect scientists" but then
>> he's denigrating all of the extremely well educated and talented scientists
>> that actually believe in cold fusion.
>>
>> I think Ethan is having a nervous breakdown.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> It's just click bait.  Move on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The usual ranting of Ethan Siegel against anomalies that don't respect
>>>> theory.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2015/11/08/the-em-drive-nasas-impossible-engine-highlights-our-greatest-failing/
>>>>
>>>> one day we will have to tell him what is science.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Blaze Spinnaker]

This is very very good for Tesla.  Elon must be sighing a breath of huge
relief.  This is why he was giving patents away for free.

They need someone else to shoulder the load of creating infrastructure.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> New electric car company startup in California is flu$h with ca$h
>
> *http://www.faradayfuture.com/index.html*
> 
>
> Rumor is that it is a front for Apple. Where else can they park half a
> trillion?
>
> They raided Tesla for top people, but still – I wouldn’t bet against Elon.
>

[Vo]:Ubeam wireless charging

[Blaze Spinnaker]

http://techcrunch.com/2015/11/07/wireless-power-charger/

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Blaze Spinnaker]

i like the team:


On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is very very good for Tesla.  Elon must be sighing a breath of huge
> relief.  This is why he was giving patents away for free.
>
> They need someone else to shoulder the load of creating infrastructure.
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>> New electric car company startup in California is flu$h with ca$h
>>
>> *http://www.faradayfuture.com/index.html*
>> <http://www.faradayfuture.com/index.html>
>>
>> Rumor is that it is a front for Apple. Where else can they park half a
>> trillion?
>>
>> They raided Tesla for top people, but still – I wouldn’t bet against
>> Elon.
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Blaze Spinnaker]

China's reponse to tesla:

Incorporation papers filed with the California secretary of state's office
links Faraday to a Chinese media company operated by Jia Yueting, an
entrepreneur who founded Leshi Internet Information & Technology.

Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3307660/Mysterious-firm-backed-one-China-s-richest-men-set-build-billion-dollar-factory-Tesla-Apple-electric-car.html#ixzz3qxvKwywd

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<http://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcU=MailOnline> | DailyMail
on Facebook <http://ec.tynt.com/b/rf?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcU=DailyMail>

Makes sense.  China has a huge pollution problems.  They also prefer to buy
from natives rather than foreigners.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> i like the team:
>
>
>- Nick Sampson, Senior Vice President – Former Director of Vehicle &
>Chassis Engineering, Tesla Motors
>- Dag Reckhorn, Vice President of Global Manufacturing – Former
>Director of Manufacturing, Tesla Model S
>- Alan Cherry, Vice President of Human Resources - Former Senior
>Director, Human Resources, Tesla Motors
>- Tom Wessner, Vice President of Supply Chain - Former Director of
>Purchasing, Tesla Motors
>- Richard Kim, Head of Design – Founding member of BMW i Design and
>Lead Designer, i3 and i8 concepts.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Faraday to challenge Tesla

[Blaze Spinnaker]

i like the team:


   - Nick Sampson, Senior Vice President – Former Director of Vehicle &
   Chassis Engineering, Tesla Motors
   - Dag Reckhorn, Vice President of Global Manufacturing – Former Director
   of Manufacturing, Tesla Model S
   - Alan Cherry, Vice President of Human Resources - Former Senior
   Director, Human Resources, Tesla Motors
   - Tom Wessner, Vice President of Supply Chain - Former Director of
   Purchasing, Tesla Motors
   - Richard Kim, Head of Design – Founding member of BMW i Design and Lead
   Designer, i3 and i8 concepts.


On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:I.H. presentation given in China

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Yeah, pretty interesting.

Some more info on IH
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/people.asp?privcapId=245130378

Most of it is well known.  Haven't seen the bloomberg page before, though.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:10 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> See:
>
>
> http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Attachment/421-20140925152226-9375-pdf/?s=d62872f7500919d1a9ea09c6742e8e0e9222a983
>
> This is in English and Chinese. Parts of the Chinese are not translated.
> You can Google translate them. I am a little surprised to see how much I
> can understand reading it in Japanese. I guess technical terminology is
> pretty much the same. It is like "reading" a cold fusion paper in Italian
> when you speak only English.
>
> - Jed
>
>

[Vo]:slide deck for ultradense hydrogen / Leif Holmlid

[Blaze Spinnaker]

In case you missed this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WN1NPdWttMC1RdEU/view

Courtesy of MFMP.

"If confirmed, such process releases similar or higher energy than fission
of Uranium 200MeV."

"4. The Ultra-dense hydrogen Leif Holmlid *30+ papers* 2008-2015"

Re: [Vo]:slide deck for ultradense hydrogen / Leif Holmlid

[Blaze Spinnaker]

"The larger physics establishment" in my opinion is like the "vast right
wing conspiracy".  The fact is, he made it past peer review and published
in real journals.

I just think he's way more interesting than freaking Rossi who publishes
squat.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I did, I made an edit back in the beginning of October.  It hasn't been
> reverted yet:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rydberg_matter=history
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <
>> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's an interesting characterization considering it was Sveinn Ólafsson
>>> that did the presentation, that Holmlid has had a number of co-authors on
>>> his papers, that his university has published his press release(a rather
>>> risky thing to do, considering), and that he has had numerous peer reviewed
>>> papers published in respectable journals.
>>>
>>> I don't think we should confuse exceedingly talented
>>> and prodigious researcher for "one man show".
>>>
>>
>> Did you have a chance to read the details in the answer I linked to?
>> Holmlid wrote his own wikipedia page, which has been put up for deletion
>> (and rescued).  And a large portion of the citations referring to him are
>> citations in other papers he has written.  Apparently these are faux pas in
>> academia.
>>
>> For the sake of argument, set aside the question of whether what Holmlid
>> is describing is real.  If you had 1000 dollars to bet on how much Holmlid
>> has the backing of the larger physics establishment, what odds would you
>> bet?  :)
>>
>> This particular question is not one about fairness or truth; it's a
>> question about whether Holmlid is a maverick or not.  I would personally
>> bet 1000 dollars on the possibility that he does not have the backing of
>> the larger physics establishment (if I bet, which I don't).
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:slide deck for ultradense hydrogen / Leif Holmlid

[Blaze Spinnaker]

I did, I made an edit back in the beginning of October.  It hasn't been
reverted yet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rydberg_matter=history

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> That's an interesting characterization considering it was Sveinn Ólafsson
>> that did the presentation, that Holmlid has had a number of co-authors on
>> his papers, that his university has published his press release(a rather
>> risky thing to do, considering), and that he has had numerous peer reviewed
>> papers published in respectable journals.
>>
>> I don't think we should confuse exceedingly talented
>> and prodigious researcher for "one man show".
>>
>
> Did you have a chance to read the details in the answer I linked to?
> Holmlid wrote his own wikipedia page, which has been put up for deletion
> (and rescued).  And a large portion of the citations referring to him are
> citations in other papers he has written.  Apparently these are faux pas in
> academia.
>
> For the sake of argument, set aside the question of whether what Holmlid
> is describing is real.  If you had 1000 dollars to bet on how much Holmlid
> has the backing of the larger physics establishment, what odds would you
> bet?  :)
>
> This particular question is not one about fairness or truth; it's a
> question about whether Holmlid is a maverick or not.  I would personally
> bet 1000 dollars on the possibility that he does not have the backing of
> the larger physics establishment (if I bet, which I don't).
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:slide deck for ultradense hydrogen / Leif Holmlid

[Blaze Spinnaker]

That's an interesting characterization considering it was Sveinn Ólafsson
that did the presentation, that Holmlid has had a number of co-authors on
his papers, that his university has published his press release(a rather
risky thing to do, considering), and that he has had numerous peer reviewed
papers published in respectable journals.

I don't think we should confuse exceedingly talented
and prodigious researcher for "one man show".

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 6:18 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> "4. The Ultra-dense hydrogen Leif Holmlid *30+ papers* 2008-2015"
>>
>
> Holmlid is kind of a one-man show.  See this answer to a question I raised
> on Physics.SE sometime back:
>
> http://physics.stackexchange.com/a/74720/6713
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Holmlid vs. the Cowled Wikipedia Conservatory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

I thought this was interesting:


   - The President of Russian Academy of Sciences Vladimir Fortov has
   recently noted the works on Rydberg Matter as a great scientific event
   [33] 

http://tass.ru/opinions/interviews/1599386

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Steve High  wrote:

> You may turn to the talk page of the Wikipedia article on Rydberg Matter
> to find Prof Holmlid locked in a struggle with various Keepers of the Light
> who wish to see the Rydberg Matter article deleted. The good news is that
> this struggle took place in 2010 and the Wikipedia entry is still up.
> Holmlid may well be a force to be reckoned with.
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: Muon Detection app and Holmlid seminar

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Sorry, too much wine.   Cool that MFMP was meeting with Holmlid's co-author
and looking into the ultra dense hydrogen.

I thought the muon detector was cool.  Are people doing muon detection as a
part of their replication efforts?

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> A little lead in front of the lens would tend to reduce the detection for
> gammas but not much for muons.  That way the app may be able to identify
> the muons with higher accuracy.
>
> National Instruments should be interested.
>
> Bob Cook
>
> *From:* Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 18, 2015 7:31 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Muon Detection app and Holmlid seminar
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Blaze Spinnaker
>
>
>
> http://news.wisc.edu/23166
>
>
>
> Ø  Very cool of MFMP to do this...  Maybe they can try replicating it
> [muon detector for mobile phone] ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Problem is – the “detector” is the iphone camera with the lens covered,
> which will pick up all kinds of high energy radiation. The app analyzes
> the “image”­ and if enough pixels light up, it gets recorded as an event –
> exactly like a similar app does for detecting gamma radiation. There cannot
> be very much discrimination between the two apps, so all this will tell you
> is that some kind of radiation is coming through the lens cover… OTOH –
> this is good to know…. J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:Muon Detection app and Holmlid seminar

[Blaze Spinnaker]

http://news.wisc.edu/23166

Very cool of MFMP to do this.  Maybe they can try replicating it?

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/16/sri-international-to-host-seminar-on-ultra-dense-hydrogen-and-low-energy-nuclear-reactions/

On Thursday, October 22nd, 2015 (10:30 AM PDT), Sveinn Ólafsson of the
Science Institute, Physics Department, University of Iceland will present a
40 minute seminar/colloquium at SRI International (SRI, founded as Stanford
Research Institute) in Menlo Park, California, entitled, “Ultra-dense
Hydrogen and Low Energy Nuclear Reactions” (LENR), representing research he
has conducted with Leif Holmlid from the University of Gothenburg, Sweden.

[Vo]:KIC 8462852

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Cool stuff!

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant=1=2=UTF-8#q=KIC+8462852=nws

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

hey isn't 1 excess joules per gram significantly less than energy
density of gas?  This could all just be chemical.  (hat tip popeye)

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> If LENR is producing mesons, pions, and muons, how does that effect
> reaction types?
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Eric Walker 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:55 PM, a.ashfield 
>> wrote:
>>
>> For comparison, Rossi stated his current theory in a recent interview.
>>>
>>> "“My theory is that a proton from a hydrogen atom enters, by the quantum
>>> tunneling effect, into a nucleus of Li-7 (i.e., a lithium nucleus of atomic
>>> weight 7), forming a nucleus of Be-8 (i.e., a beryllium nucleus of atomic
>>> weight 8), which then decays in a few seconds into two alpha particles
>>> (helium nuclei), accompanied with the release of significant nuclear
>>> energy."
>>>
>>
>> Here are relevant reactions (I think my script is working now!):
>>
>> $ python scripts/reactions.py "H+Li"
>> d + 6Li → p + 7Li + 5027 keVn-transfer, stable
>> d + 6Li → 2·4He + 22373 keV stable, α
>> p + 7Li → 2·4He + 17346 keV stable, α
>> p + 6Li → 3He + 4He + 4020 keV  stable, α
>> d + 6Li → p + t + 4He + 2559 keVn-transfer, t, α, →β-
>> d + 6Li → t + 5Li + 593 keV n-transfer, t, →p, 
>> →β-
>> d + 7Li → 4He + 5He + 14387 keV α, →n
>> d + 6Li → 3He + 5He + 1060 keV  →n
>> d + 7Li → ɣ + 9Be + 16694 keV   stable, ɣ
>> d + 6Li → ɣ + 8Be + 22281 keV   ɣ, →α
>> p + 7Li → ɣ + 8Be + 17254 keV   ɣ, →α
>> d + 6Li → ɣ + 8Be (i) + 5655 keVɣ, →α
>> p + 6Li → ɣ + 7Be + 5607 keVɣ, →ε
>> d + 7Li → ɣ + 9Be (i) + 2304 keVɣ
>> p + 7Li → ɣ + 8Be (i) + 628 keV ɣ, →α
>> d + 7Li → n + 2·4He + 15122 keV n, α, →β-
>> d + 7Li → n + 8Be + 15030 keV   n, →α, →β-
>> d + 6Li → n + 7Be + 3382 keVn, →β-, →ε
>> d + 6Li → n + 3He + 4He + 1795 keV  n, α, →β-
>>
>>
>> Since many of these reactions are not happening, if Rossi's speculation
>> is correct, this suggests several things:
>>
>>- either the proton is masked as a neutral particle (e.g., an "Exotic
>>Neutral Particle" or hydrino, or electron screening from the lattice,
>>etc.), or there is some external force holding the proton close to the
>>lithium nucleus
>>- there is something suppressing the gamma-producing branches
>>- there is something suppressing the neutron-producing branches
>>- there is something favoring branches with stable daughters
>>
>> If Rossi's speculation is right, the challenge of a theory would be to
>> explain these bullet points.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Why is everyone getting excited?   Louis hasn't even claimed radiation or
transmutation or significant energy density beyond something that can be
chemically explained.  It's just an informal email with vague hints about
other things.  The only thing that was particularly exciting was that he
thinks Rossi is credible.

I think the Holmlid fellow is much more interesting.

- Has a long history of published literature in credible journals
- He's claiming real energy
- He's measuring real radiation (muons, but still)


On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* Eric Walker
>
> Ø
>
> Ø   If you provide several balanced reactions that involve mesons,
> pions and muons, I can take them as a model and attempt to generalize.
>
> For all practical purposes in LENR – we can ignore all mesons and pions
> and focus solely on the muon. See the Wiki entry for details.
>
> The lifetime of any variety of pion or meson is at least 100 times shorter
> than the muon and they are not known to catalyze fusion due to the simple
> reason that they decay too rapidly.
>
> The muon lifetime is relatively ample at that dimension, although short
> from the human perspective - and everyone in nuclear physics agrees that
> in the proper circumstances, muons can and do catalyze fusion reactions
> of deuterons in the range of a hundred or so per lifetime. This is not
> possible with pions or mesons due to either short life.
>
> Jones
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Re: Louis DeChiaro of US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) on Replicating P+F

[Blaze Spinnaker]

"
AdrianAshfield   Bob Greenyer

 • 39 minutes ago


Bob, They came from a private discussion with someone who had received the
text, but wished to remain anonymous for work related reasons. He had
received authorization to make them public."


I'm trying to send email to Louis.   You can get him via inmail on
linkedin.  I'll sign up for a trial account, I guess.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Bob Cook  wrote:

> Adrian--
>
> I had the same question about the text reported on E-Cat World web page
> concerning DeChiaro's notes and the details of LENR in PD.
>
> Where did the notes come from?  Is this private communication?  The source
> is not specifically identified in the E-Cat World item except as being
> provided by Adrian Ashfield via some communication with Frank Acland, an
> editor at E-Cat World.
>
> Bob Cook
>
> -Original Message- From: a.ashfield
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 4:47 PM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Louis DeChiaro of US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA)
> on Replicating P+F
>
> Patrick,
> Please note this is the topic of the thread two below yours
>
>

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Where is this from?  Link?

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015, a.ashfield  wrote:

> I sent this  information directly to Vortex but it never appeared.
> Now you can see it here.
> http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/06/louis-dechario-of-us-naval-sea-systems-command-navsea-on-replicating-pons-and-fleischmann/
>
>

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

[Blaze Spinnaker]

pandora, indeed.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:53 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint 
> wrote:
>
> "... a number of more interesting effects." What could be MORE interesting
>> than excess heat/low energy nuclear reactions???
>
>
> Some questions are better left unasked.  One of the sisters could be
> Pandora.
>
> Eric
>
>

[Vo]:Beware all this Industrial Heat excitement

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Ross is only a part of IH (which explains a lot of Vaughn's statement of
him not being credible / the weird disconnect between Rossi and IH lately).


IH has invested in other LENR organizations.

I still stand by my assessment of 9%   https://rossiisreal.wordpress.com/

I am excited by Holmlid though.  I'd roughly gauge him at 25% being real.

[Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Blaze Spinnaker]

http://www.chem.info/news/2015/09/scientists-closing-small-scale-nuclear-fusion

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/karnkraft/article3933699.ece

Too bad Mats didn't get to write that :(

Re: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Apparently Holmlid has a reputation as a fellow crackpot:

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/36064/is-ultradense-deuterium-real

Hope it turns out to be the real thing.. love to see these condescending
pricks swallow their .

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> http://www.chem.info/news/2015/09/scientists-closing-small-scale-nuclear-fusion
>
> http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/karnkraft/article3933699.ece
>
> Too bad Mats didn't get to write that :(
>

Re: [Vo]:Credible news services picking up Holmlids work

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Looks like our good buddy Goran Eriksson of Eriksson and Pomp fame weighing
in here:

*Goran Eriksson is Professor* in Applied Nuclear Physics at Uppsala
University and he believes that Holmlids research is speculative.

- There is no basis for drawing the conclusions he makes, and as far as I
can see, he refers only to their own research.

*You do not believe in this?*

- No, I believe that the lack of independent sources. But as a scientist
you have to be open to new information.
- See more at:
http://www.gp.se/nyheter/goteborg/1.2843794-goteborgsforskare-havdar-lyckats-med-fusion#sthash.NvgHBGqK.dpuf


http://www.gp.se/nyheter/goteborg/1.2843794-goteborgsforskare-havdar-lyckats-med-fusion



On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 1:07 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Apparently Holmlid has a reputation as a fellow crackpot:
>
>
> http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/36064/is-ultradense-deuterium-real
>
> Hope it turns out to be the real thing.. love to see these condescending
> pricks swallow their .
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.chem.info/news/2015/09/scientists-closing-small-scale-nuclear-fusion
>>
>> http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/karnkraft/article3933699.ece
>>
>> Too bad Mats didn't get to write that :(
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia

[Blaze Spinnaker]

There's huge consensus about what works though.   Why not establish that as
a basis and just say other approaches are open questions?  Why does
everyone go to such huge effort to say "pyroelectric fusion which works at
low temperatures isn't cold fusion because it doesn't follow
pons/fleischman experimental apparatus".

What really annoys me to no end is that the first historical usage of the
term cold fusion actually referred to muon catalyzed fusion!!  The whole
term got hijacked by these drama seekers.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> The idea that cold fusion doesn't involve hydrogen infused metal is just
>> end-of-times for these people.
>>
>
> It's really hard to sort out what is known from what is conjecture.  There
> are some careful experimentalists who have made some very measured
> statements and drawn some very measured conclusions.  And then there are
> some popularizers who take those statements and overlay all kinds of
> additional details that do not have a sure foundation, applying what they
> believe to be obvious logic, which, when analyzed more closely, is not
> obvious.
>
>- Does CF involve deuterium?  In some cases it appears to.
>- Does CF involve light hydrogen?  There's some evidence that it might
>in some cases.
>- Does CF involve lithium?  In some cases it might.
>- Does CF involve palladium?  Somehow, sometimes.
>- Does CF involve nickel?  Maybe, sometimes.
>- Is helium-4 correlated with excess heat?  Yes, in a subset of CF
>experiments with very specific systems.
>- Is helium-4 always correlated with excess heat in CF?  Hard to say.
>- Is the amount of excess heat indicative of the 23 MeV resulting from
>d+d -> 4He?  There was an experiment by a careful researcher that suggested
>that it was in that particular case.
>- Is the amount of excess heat always indicative of the 23 MeV
>resulting from d+d -> 4He?  Hard to say.
>
> People want to go well beyond measured statements of this kind.  Some are
> willing to manufacture consensus in the process.  It's a little hard to
> watch from the sidelines as this kind of thing is done.
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Yeah, I know.  It's like these people's brains are utterly broken.   There
is an implicit conspiracy (by BOTH anti and pro pons/fleischman people) to
narrow define cold fusion as experiments done in the late 80s.   The idea
that cold fusion doesn't involve hydrogen infused metal is just
end-of-times for these people.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

> From Blaze,
>
>
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > I think it will also help the community at large if they view cold
>
> > fusion as completely doable.
>
>
>
> Perhaps it's time for you to update the Wikipedia article on CF in order
> to reflect this important matter.
>
>
>
> See what happens...
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> OrionWorks.com
>
> zazzle.com/orionworks
>

[Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia

[Blaze Spinnaker]

I was reading the entry for cold fusion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

While I agree with this statement:


*Cold fusion is a hypothetical type of nuclear reaction
 that would occur at, or
near, room temperature .
This is compared with the "hot" fusion
 which takes place naturally
within stars , under immense
pressure and at temperatures of millions of degrees.*

The following statement is utterly false:

*There is currently no accepted theoretical model which would allow cold
fusion to occur.*

For example, both muon and pyro electric fusion will occur at room
temperatures.  We also now have a published statement about laser induced
fusion happening at low temperatures.

I think we're doing a massive disservice to researchers everywhere by
obsessively defining the concept of "cold fusion" as pons/fleischman.
 Normal people care whether fusion can occur  with minimal investment and
low temperatures.

I think it will also help the community at large if they view cold fusion
as completely doable.  There will be increased investment in the area if
people can use the term without having to apologize.  Hopefully people will
stop wasting money on these moronic ITER experiments.

Re: [Vo]:Rewriting the lede on cold fusion for wikipedia

[Blaze Spinnaker]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E03E0D7103FE033A05753C3A9649D946792D6CF


Cold Fusion of Hydrogen Atoms; A Fourth Method Pulling Together

1956!!

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> There's huge consensus about what works though.   Why not establish that
> as a basis and just say other approaches are open questions?  Why does
> everyone go to such huge effort to say "pyroelectric fusion which works at
> low temperatures isn't cold fusion because it doesn't follow
> pons/fleischman experimental apparatus".
>
> What really annoys me to no end is that the first historical usage of the
> term cold fusion actually referred to muon catalyzed fusion!!  The whole
> term got hijacked by these drama seekers.
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <
>> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The idea that cold fusion doesn't involve hydrogen infused metal is just
>>> end-of-times for these people.
>>>
>>
>> It's really hard to sort out what is known from what is conjecture.
>> There are some careful experimentalists who have made some very measured
>> statements and drawn some very measured conclusions.  And then there are
>> some popularizers who take those statements and overlay all kinds of
>> additional details that do not have a sure foundation, applying what they
>> believe to be obvious logic, which, when analyzed more closely, is not
>> obvious.
>>
>>- Does CF involve deuterium?  In some cases it appears to.
>>- Does CF involve light hydrogen?  There's some evidence that it
>>might in some cases.
>>- Does CF involve lithium?  In some cases it might.
>>- Does CF involve palladium?  Somehow, sometimes.
>>- Does CF involve nickel?  Maybe, sometimes.
>>- Is helium-4 correlated with excess heat?  Yes, in a subset of CF
>>experiments with very specific systems.
>>- Is helium-4 always correlated with excess heat in CF?  Hard to say.
>>- Is the amount of excess heat indicative of the 23 MeV resulting
>>from d+d -> 4He?  There was an experiment by a careful researcher that
>>suggested that it was in that particular case.
>>- Is the amount of excess heat always indicative of the 23 MeV
>>resulting from d+d -> 4He?  Hard to say.
>>
>> People want to go well beyond measured statements of this kind.  Some are
>> willing to manufacture consensus in the process.  It's a little hard to
>> watch from the sidelines as this kind of thing is done.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

[Blaze Spinnaker]

lol.   I love the outrage!   Such drama.   However simple reality is no
one, and I mean no one, knows the facts on the ground.   Was it an
overreaction?   Sure, most likely, but perhaps there is more to this than
meets the eye.  Maybe the kid was spouting islamic stuff.

Remember columbine, people.   Think of all the people who blame the
teachers there for not doing anything.

How about more support for our educators, here, they are caught in a very
very hard spot - between over reacting and under reacting.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Bob Cook  wrote:

> I think that the value system of the so called scientists and journalists
> that were involved in the P-F discrediting episode is inconsistent with
> what Jed implies they possessed--in other words scientist and journalist
> values.
>
> It seems to me they had values of capitalists and money grubbers and
> little, if any, scientist and journalist values.  Their values were to
> cover up nature's real face and spread false ideas.  They were not at
> fault.  They were simply acting in their best interests and according to
> their values. Lies and propaganda were appropriate actions based on their
> values.  And the acceptance of such values has not decreased in the
> corporate world and independent scientific community, but it has increased
> with time IMHO.
>
> They were vassals of the "science kings" and did not want to kill the
> goose that gave them their golden eggs.
>
> I think this undesirable value system is a political issue that should be
> addressed--the sooner the better for civilization.  Gay marriage does not
> hold a candle to the importance of this issue in my mind, yet it seems to
> get more attention in the press and by politicians--what a travesty.  Again
> it is consistent with journalist and political values unfortunately.
>
> Bob Cook
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jed Rothwell 
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2015 6:58 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts
>
> Alain Sepeda  wrote:
>
>
>> The problem of cold fusion was incompetence of the particle and plasma
>> physicist in calorimetry.
>>
>> These people were in fact not totally incompetent, just not enough to
>> understanf Fleischmann and trust calorimetry, but too much to be modest
>> and not to imagine artifacts from their armchair.
>>
>
> I agree.
>
> I think there was plenty of blame to go around: it was not only the fault
> of the science journalists or the physicists. However, I think a larger
> share of the blame goes to science journalists and especially the editors
> of Nature magazine. In an academic dispute you will find scientists lining
> up on both sides, including incompetent scientists to pontificate about
> things outside their own expertise. A journal such as Nature or Scientific
> American should make an effort to present both sides of the dispute. That
> did not happen with cold fusion.
>
> As Mike Melich says, to this day, the US is letting the editors of Nature
> decide our energy policy.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

[Blaze Spinnaker]

I will say one thing - the one thing I think everyone completely missed was
that there should not have been a picture of the kid in handcuffs and it
should have been handled much more discretely.The over reaction can be
excused, but it should have been done very very quietly.   That can not be
pardoned and I wish everyone would focus more on that so future educators
wouldn't make the same mistake.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> lol.   I love the outrage!   Such drama.   However simple reality is no
> one, and I mean no one, knows the facts on the ground.   Was it an
> overreaction?   Sure, most likely, but perhaps there is more to this than
> meets the eye.  Maybe the kid was spouting islamic stuff.
>
> Remember columbine, people.   Think of all the people who blame the
> teachers there for not doing anything.
>
> How about more support for our educators, here, they are caught in a very
> very hard spot - between over reacting and under reacting.
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think that the value system of the so called scientists and journalists
>> that were involved in the P-F discrediting episode is inconsistent with
>> what Jed implies they possessed--in other words scientist and journalist
>> values.
>>
>> It seems to me they had values of capitalists and money grubbers and
>> little, if any, scientist and journalist values.  Their values were to
>> cover up nature's real face and spread false ideas.  They were not at
>> fault.  They were simply acting in their best interests and according to
>> their values. Lies and propaganda were appropriate actions based on their
>> values.  And the acceptance of such values has not decreased in the
>> corporate world and independent scientific community, but it has increased
>> with time IMHO.
>>
>> They were vassals of the "science kings" and did not want to kill the
>> goose that gave them their golden eggs.
>>
>> I think this undesirable value system is a political issue that should be
>> addressed--the sooner the better for civilization.  Gay marriage does not
>> hold a candle to the importance of this issue in my mind, yet it seems to
>> get more attention in the press and by politicians--what a travesty.  Again
>> it is consistent with journalist and political values unfortunately.
>>
>> Bob Cook
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2015 6:58 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts
>>
>> Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The problem of cold fusion was incompetence of the particle and plasma
>>> physicist in calorimetry.
>>>
>>> These people were in fact not totally incompetent, just not enough to
>>> understanf Fleischmann and trust calorimetry, but too much to be modest
>>> and not to imagine artifacts from their armchair.
>>>
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> I think there was plenty of blame to go around: it was not only the fault
>> of the science journalists or the physicists. However, I think a larger
>> share of the blame goes to science journalists and especially the editors
>> of Nature magazine. In an academic dispute you will find scientists lining
>> up on both sides, including incompetent scientists to pontificate about
>> things outside their own expertise. A journal such as Nature or Scientific
>> American should make an effort to present both sides of the dispute. That
>> did not happen with cold fusion.
>>
>> As Mike Melich says, to this day, the US is letting the editors of Nature
>> decide our energy policy.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

[Blaze Spinnaker]

laugh:
http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-wozniak-in-jail-fake-bomb-2011-10

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Any reasonably cautious person would say this thing looks like a hoax
> bomb:
> http://www.wired.com/2015/09/heres-bomb-clock-got-ahmed-mohamed-arrested/
>
>
> Making something that LOOKS LIKE A BOMB is a felony.  It's akin to
> shouting fire in a crowded theatre.  Again, I think the teachers over
> reacted a little, but I think it fell within a not so completely unexpected
> range of reasonable reactions.
>
> The only thing they screwed up on was letting the kid get photographed.
> He's 14.  There's no reason this needed to go on the internet and
> permanently harm him.
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I will say one thing - the one thing I think everyone completely missed
>> was that there should not have been a picture of the kid in handcuffs and
>> it should have been handled much more discretely.The over reaction can
>> be excused, but it should have been done very very quietly.   That can not
>> be pardoned and I wish everyone would focus more on that so future
>> educators wouldn't make the same mistake.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <
>> blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> lol.   I love the outrage!   Such drama.   However simple reality is no
>>> one, and I mean no one, knows the facts on the ground.   Was it an
>>> overreaction?   Sure, most likely, but perhaps there is more to this than
>>> meets the eye.  Maybe the kid was spouting islamic stuff.
>>>
>>> Remember columbine, people.   Think of all the people who blame the
>>> teachers there for not doing anything.
>>>
>>> How about more support for our educators, here, they are caught in a
>>> very very hard spot - between over reacting and under reacting.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think that the value system of the so called scientists and
>>>> journalists that were involved in the P-F discrediting episode is
>>>> inconsistent with what Jed implies they possessed--in other words scientist
>>>> and journalist values.
>>>>
>>>> It seems to me they had values of capitalists and money grubbers and
>>>> little, if any, scientist and journalist values.  Their values were to
>>>> cover up nature's real face and spread false ideas.  They were not at
>>>> fault.  They were simply acting in their best interests and according to
>>>> their values. Lies and propaganda were appropriate actions based on their
>>>> values.  And the acceptance of such values has not decreased in the
>>>> corporate world and independent scientific community, but it has increased
>>>> with time IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> They were vassals of the "science kings" and did not want to kill the
>>>> goose that gave them their golden eggs.
>>>>
>>>> I think this undesirable value system is a political issue that should
>>>> be addressed--the sooner the better for civilization.  Gay marriage does
>>>> not hold a candle to the importance of this issue in my mind, yet it seems
>>>> to get more attention in the press and by politicians--what a travesty.
>>>> Again it is consistent with journalist and political values unfortunately.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Cook
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> *From:* Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2015 6:58 AM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts
>>>>
>>>> Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The problem of cold fusion was incompetence of the particle and plasma
>>>>> physicist in calorimetry.
>>>>>
>>>>> These people were in fact not totally incompetent, just not enough to
>>>>> understanf Fleischmann and trust calorimetry, but too much to be 
>>>>> modest
>>>>> and not to imagine artifacts from their armchair.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree.
>>>>
>>>> I think there was plenty of blame to go around: it was not only the
>>>> fault of the science journalists or the physicists. However, I think a
>>>> larger share of the blame goes to science journalists and especially the
>>>> editors of Nature magazine. In an academic dispute you will find scientists
>>>> lining up on both sides, including incompetent scientists to pontificate
>>>> about things outside their own expertise. A journal such as Nature or
>>>> Scientific American should make an effort to present both sides of the
>>>> dispute. That did not happen with cold fusion.
>>>>
>>>> As Mike Melich says, to this day, the US is letting the editors of
>>>> Nature decide our energy policy.
>>>>
>>>> - Jed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Any reasonably cautious person would say this thing looks like a hoax bomb:
 http://www.wired.com/2015/09/heres-bomb-clock-got-ahmed-mohamed-arrested/


Making something that LOOKS LIKE A BOMB is a felony.  It's akin to shouting
fire in a crowded theatre.  Again, I think the teachers over reacted a
little, but I think it fell within a not so completely unexpected range of
reasonable reactions.

The only thing they screwed up on was letting the kid get photographed.
He's 14.  There's no reason this needed to go on the internet and
permanently harm him.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I will say one thing - the one thing I think everyone completely missed
> was that there should not have been a picture of the kid in handcuffs and
> it should have been handled much more discretely.The over reaction can
> be excused, but it should have been done very very quietly.   That can not
> be pardoned and I wish everyone would focus more on that so future
> educators wouldn't make the same mistake.
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Blaze Spinnaker <blazespinna...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> lol.   I love the outrage!   Such drama.   However simple reality is no
>> one, and I mean no one, knows the facts on the ground.   Was it an
>> overreaction?   Sure, most likely, but perhaps there is more to this than
>> meets the eye.  Maybe the kid was spouting islamic stuff.
>>
>> Remember columbine, people.   Think of all the people who blame the
>> teachers there for not doing anything.
>>
>> How about more support for our educators, here, they are caught in a very
>> very hard spot - between over reacting and under reacting.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that the value system of the so called scientists and
>>> journalists that were involved in the P-F discrediting episode is
>>> inconsistent with what Jed implies they possessed--in other words scientist
>>> and journalist values.
>>>
>>> It seems to me they had values of capitalists and money grubbers and
>>> little, if any, scientist and journalist values.  Their values were to
>>> cover up nature's real face and spread false ideas.  They were not at
>>> fault.  They were simply acting in their best interests and according to
>>> their values. Lies and propaganda were appropriate actions based on their
>>> values.  And the acceptance of such values has not decreased in the
>>> corporate world and independent scientific community, but it has increased
>>> with time IMHO.
>>>
>>> They were vassals of the "science kings" and did not want to kill the
>>> goose that gave them their golden eggs.
>>>
>>> I think this undesirable value system is a political issue that should
>>> be addressed--the sooner the better for civilization.  Gay marriage does
>>> not hold a candle to the importance of this issue in my mind, yet it seems
>>> to get more attention in the press and by politicians--what a travesty.
>>> Again it is consistent with journalist and political values unfortunately.
>>>
>>> Bob Cook
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2015 6:58 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The Ahmed Mohamed case and distrust of experts
>>>
>>> Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The problem of cold fusion was incompetence of the particle and plasma
>>>> physicist in calorimetry.
>>>>
>>>> These people were in fact not totally incompetent, just not enough to
>>>> understanf Fleischmann and trust calorimetry, but too much to be modest
>>>> and not to imagine artifacts from their armchair.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree.
>>>
>>> I think there was plenty of blame to go around: it was not only the
>>> fault of the science journalists or the physicists. However, I think a
>>> larger share of the blame goes to science journalists and especially the
>>> editors of Nature magazine. In an academic dispute you will find scientists
>>> lining up on both sides, including incompetent scientists to pontificate
>>> about things outside their own expertise. A journal such as Nature or
>>> Scientific American should make an effort to present both sides of the
>>> dispute. That did not happen with cold fusion.
>>>
>>> As Mike Melich says, to this day, the US is letting the editors of
>>> Nature decide our energy policy.
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:my opinion about Rossi's US patent plus daily info Aug 26, 2015

[Blaze Spinnaker]

 6)Randell Mills has been on record for well over one year as saying
 that  “LiAlH4 + Ni as a hydrogen dissociator run at elevated temperature is
 disclosed in my patents.” [filed in Russia and the USA.]



 It is likely that Rossi’s disclosure would otherwise fit into the category
 of a Mills’ reaction, despite the fact that aluminum is one of the few
 metals BLP does not claim as catalytic. Rossi’s attorneys were negligent
 not to mention Mills as prior art, and that may come back to haunt them.




Yeah, it's a very narrow patent that can only prevent immediate knockoffs
and let Rossi claim he has a patent. Until we see a replication though, I
remain skeptical.

Re: [Vo]:Why are there still so many jobs?

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Jobs required to create, support and run the internet are the vast
majority?   To make tablets and software?  Laugh!

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:44 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:

 blaze, if not for the overhead eating efficiency created by mass building,
 those things wouldn't exist.  and the jobs you are describing are a SMALL
 fraction of the jobs available, and the ones Joe is listing the vast
 MAJORITY.


 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 No, any sort of job that increases communication and education I don't
 see as generally planet wrecking, though certainly we could do a lot
 better.I'm talking about the excess energy consumption, cars, the
 houses, the yachts, the airplanes, the military to protect all this, etc
 etc.

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Joe Hughes jhughe...@comcast.net wrote:

 So would you consider the jobs required to create, support and run the
 internet, networks and infrastructure that this list runs on as bullsh*t
 planet wrecking consumption?
 How about the jobs to create and deliver the computer, tablet or mobile
 device you use to post on this and all of the associated software required
 to do that?
 I'm not suggesting you were advocating that you were not a part of the
 bullsh*t planet wrecking consumption - just questioning if in your mind
 there were any other categories between safety, security, etc and bullsh*t
 planet wrecking consumption. :)




 On 8/4/15 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote:

 it's all pretty much just useless bullsh*t planet wrecking consumption.

Re: [Vo]:Why are there still so many jobs?

[Blaze Spinnaker]

No, any sort of job that increases communication and education I don't see
as generally planet wrecking, though certainly we could do a lot better.
 I'm talking about the excess energy consumption, cars, the houses, the
yachts, the airplanes, the military to protect all this, etc etc.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Joe Hughes jhughe...@comcast.net wrote:

 So would you consider the jobs required to create, support and run the
 internet, networks and infrastructure that this list runs on as bullsh*t
 planet wrecking consumption?
 How about the jobs to create and deliver the computer, tablet or mobile
 device you use to post on this and all of the associated software required
 to do that?
 I'm not suggesting you were advocating that you were not a part of the
 bullsh*t planet wrecking consumption - just questioning if in your mind
 there were any other categories between safety, security, etc and bullsh*t
 planet wrecking consumption. :)




 On 8/4/15 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote:

 it's all pretty much just useless bullsh*t planet wrecking consumption.

[Vo]:Why are there still so many jobs?

[Blaze Spinnaker]

http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/04/why-are-there-still-so-many-jobs-the-case-for-the-persistence-of-middle-skill-employment/

I think the answer is pretty obvious, non?   There are so many jobs because
interest rates are artificially low and allow businesses to borrow at cheap
rates and hire people for pretty much useless labor.

As soon as rates go back up, than we'll see if there are still so many
jobs.

Re: [Vo]:Why are there still so many jobs?

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Most of those things are pretty much unnecessary though.   As soon as you
get a few levels up on maslow's hierarchy of needs (safety / security /
etc), it's all pretty much just useless bullsh*t planet wrecking
consumption.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:01 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:

 Because a lot of things still require the human touch and cant be replaced
 by a robot.


 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/04/why-are-there-still-so-many-jobs-the-case-for-the-persistence-of-middle-skill-employment/

 I think the answer is pretty obvious, non?   There are so many jobs
 because interest rates are artificially low and allow businesses to borrow
 at cheap rates and hire people for pretty much useless labor.

 As soon as rates go back up, than we'll see if there are still so many
 jobs.

Re: [Vo]:There Is Growing Evidence that Our Universe Is a Giant Hologram

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Great stuff.   It really helps explain quantum entanglement as well, if you
can imagine that what we perceive as distance in the projected universe is
actually just an illusion.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://astro.fnal.gov/Retreat/Retreat0409/hogan.pdf

 *Holographic Noise*

 A holographic telescope might have detected the reduction or fuzziness in
 the resolution of reality caused by the projection of 4 dimensional space
 time using the instantaneous wormhole projection of entanglement of virtual
 particles from the 2 dimensional surface information at the edge of the
 universe. More resolution must be provided in this specialized
 instrumentation to clarify this issue.

 Background information on this issue as follows:

 *There Is Growing Evidence that Our Universe Is a Giant Hologram*


 http://motherboard.vice.com/read/there-is-growing-evidence-that-our-universe-is-a-giant-hologram

Re: [Vo]:There Is Growing Evidence that Our Universe Is a Giant Hologram

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Why can't it be both?  If you think about it, computer memory is just a 2d
matrix of information.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.net
wrote:

 It's not a hologram at all! Earth 3D space-time reality is  entirely a
 software defined virtual reality ( unique to each individual ), as in

 The Matrix except it's your creation, not some bad guy's.



 Here's a provocative dramatization of that including double recursion and
 chirality reversal ( especially look at the last few minutes! ):



 Star TrekNG Ship-in-a-bottle
 http://hoytstearns.com/ElementaryDearData_ShipInABottle.wmv





 *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:17 PM
 *To:* vortex-l
 *Subject:* [Vo]:There Is Growing Evidence that Our Universe Is a Giant
 Hologram



 http://astro.fnal.gov/Retreat/Retreat0409/hogan.pdf



 *Holographic Noise*



 A holographic telescope might have detected the reduction or fuzziness in
 the resolution of reality caused by the projection of 4 dimensional space
 time using the instantaneous wormhole projection of entanglement of virtual
 particles from the 2 dimensional surface information at the edge of the
 universe. More resolution must be provided in this specialized
 instrumentation to clarify this issue.



 Background information on this issue as follows:



 *There Is Growing Evidence that Our Universe Is a Giant Hologram*




 http://motherboard.vice.com/read/there-is-growing-evidence-that-our-universe-is-a-giant-hologram






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[Vo]:Thermal Resonance Fusion

[Blaze Spinnaker]

Vorteceans - Looks really exciting:

We first show a possible mechanism to create a new type of nuclear fusion,
thermal resonance fusion, i.e. low energy nuclear fusion with thermal
resonance of light nuclei or atoms, such as deuterium or tritium. The
fusion of two light nuclei has to overcome the Coulomb barrier between
these two nuclei to reach up to the interacting region of nuclear force. We
found nuclear fusion could be realized with thermal vibrations of crystal
lattice atoms coupling with light atoms at low energy by resonance to
overcome this Coulomb barrier. Thermal resonances combining with tunnel
effects can greatly enhance the probability of the deuterium fusion to the
detectable level. Our low energy nuclear fusion mechanism research -
thermal resonance fusion mechanism results demonstrate how these light
nuclei or atoms, such as deuterium, can be fused in the crystal of metal,
such as Ni or alloy, with synthetic thermal vibrations and resonances at
different modes and energies experimentally. The probability of tunnel
effect at different resonance energy given by the WKB method is shown that
indicates the thermal resonance fusion mode, especially combined with the
tunnel effect, is possible and feasible. But the penetrating probability
decreases very sharply when the input resonance energy decreases less than
3 keV, so for thermal resonance fusion, the key point is to increase the
resonance peak or make the resonance sharp enough to the acceptable energy
level by the suitable compound catalysts, and it is better to reach up more
than 3 keV to make the penetrating probability larger than 10^{-10}.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1507.01650

[Vo]:Re: Thermal Resonance Fusion

[Blaze Spinnaker]

I love the references, lol:

[1] Wikipedia, Nuclear Fusion, (http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclearf
usion), 17 March 2015.
[2] Wikipedia, Cold Fusion, (http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldf usion),
25 September 2014.
..

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Vorteceans - Looks really exciting:

 We first show a possible mechanism to create a new type of nuclear fusion,
 thermal resonance fusion, i.e. low energy nuclear fusion with thermal
 resonance of light nuclei or atoms, such as deuterium or tritium. The
 fusion of two light nuclei has to overcome the Coulomb barrier between
 these two nuclei to reach up to the interacting region of nuclear force. We
 found nuclear fusion could be realized with thermal vibrations of crystal
 lattice atoms coupling with light atoms at low energy by resonance to
 overcome this Coulomb barrier. Thermal resonances combining with tunnel
 effects can greatly enhance the probability of the deuterium fusion to the
 detectable level. Our low energy nuclear fusion mechanism research -
 thermal resonance fusion mechanism results demonstrate how these light
 nuclei or atoms, such as deuterium, can be fused in the crystal of metal,
 such as Ni or alloy, with synthetic thermal vibrations and resonances at
 different modes and energies experimentally. The probability of tunnel
 effect at different resonance energy given by the WKB method is shown that
 indicates the thermal resonance fusion mode, especially combined with the
 tunnel effect, is possible and feasible. But the penetrating probability
 decreases very sharply when the input resonance energy decreases less than
 3 keV, so for thermal resonance fusion, the key point is to increase the
 resonance peak or make the resonance sharp enough to the acceptable energy
 level by the suitable compound catalysts, and it is better to reach up more
 than 3 keV to make the penetrating probability larger than 10^{-10}.

 http://arxiv.org/abs/1507.01650

[Vo]:Re: Thermal Resonance Fusion

[Blaze Spinnaker]

I am seeing some critique of this on e-catworld but nobody is saying why it
has to be more complicated than this.  Agreed, getting the thermal
resonance might be hard to do, but why can't that just be all that's
required to achieve tunneling?  This is by far the most compelling concept
I've read on this.

Interesting to see someone at the Department of Nuclear Physics, China
Institute of Atomic Energy making the assumption (without references!) that
LENR is occurring.

Actually, low energy D fusion catalyzed by nickel can be investigated and
con- firmed experimentally

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I love the references, lol:

 [1] Wikipedia, Nuclear Fusion, (http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclearf
 usion), 17 March 2015.
 [2] Wikipedia, Cold Fusion, (http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldf usion),
 25 September 2014.
 ..

 On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Vorteceans - Looks really exciting:

 We first show a possible mechanism to create a new type of nuclear
 fusion, thermal resonance fusion, i.e. low energy nuclear fusion with
 thermal resonance of light nuclei or atoms, such as deuterium or tritium.
 The fusion of two light nuclei has to overcome the Coulomb barrier between
 these two nuclei to reach up to the interacting region of nuclear force. We
 found nuclear fusion could be realized with thermal vibrations of crystal
 lattice atoms coupling with light atoms at low energy by resonance to
 overcome this Coulomb barrier. Thermal resonances combining with tunnel
 effects can greatly enhance the probability of the deuterium fusion to the
 detectable level. Our low energy nuclear fusion mechanism research -
 thermal resonance fusion mechanism results demonstrate how these light
 nuclei or atoms, such as deuterium, can be fused in the crystal of metal,
 such as Ni or alloy, with synthetic thermal vibrations and resonances at
 different modes and energies experimentally. The probability of tunnel
 effect at different resonance energy given by the WKB method is shown that
 indicates the thermal resonance fusion mode, especially combined with the
 tunnel effect, is possible and feasible. But the penetrating probability
 decreases very sharply when the input resonance energy decreases less than
 3 keV, so for thermal resonance fusion, the key point is to increase the
 resonance peak or make the resonance sharp enough to the acceptable energy
 level by the suitable compound catalysts, and it is better to reach up more
 than 3 keV to make the penetrating probability larger than 10^{-10}.

 http://arxiv.org/abs/1507.01650

Re: [Vo]:OT: move to driverless mining trucks

[Blaze Spinnaker]

It's also somewhat correct.   THe only point he is missing out is that AI
will obviate the need for most software engineers.

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 The way things are going, most jobs will require software skills. Each
 person will pit himself against the competition of the other 10 billion
 software workers in a world who are all interconnected by instantaneous
 communication, cloud based shared information and work product sharing.


 Your prognosis of the future is both depressing and quite funny.

 Eric