[Vo]:FYI: Surprising result shocks scientists studying spin

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Gee, physicists don't know everything there is to know about atomic
physics... could it be that the 'Standard Model' is missing a few parts!

 

https://phys.org/news/2018-01-result-scientists.html

 

"What we observed was totally amazing," said Brookhaven physicist Alexander
Bazilevsky, a deputy spokesperson for the PHENIX collaboration at RHIC,
which is reporting these results in a new paper just published in Physical
Review Letters. "Our findings may mean that the mechanisms producing
particles along the direction in which the spinning proton is traveling may
be very different in  
proton-proton collisions compared with proton-nucleus collisions."

 

Understanding different particle production mechanisms could have big
implications for interpreting other high-energy particle collisions,
including the interactions of ultra-high-energy cosmic rays with particles
in the Earth's atmosphere, Bazilevsky said.


-Mark Iverson

 

RE: [Vo]:Why pairs?

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

That doesn’t answer my question… it’s just regurgitating the 
particle/antiparticle jargon.

-mark

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:41 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why pairs?

 

The latest theory is that entanglement keeps spacetime together. Entanglement 
is fundamental.  All other aspects of spacetime come from entanglement. In 
order for entanglement to exist, two things must be entangled. When a particle 
is created, it must be paired with an antiparticle so that a connection between 
them is formed...entanglement must be created.  All particle pairs must be 
connected by a wormhole. The wormhole is the mechanism that keeps spacetime 
together. 

 

We can manipulate the forces of nature, weak, strong, EMF, gravity by using 
entanglement, since those "fundamental" forces come from(aka emerge) 
entanglement and all the properties of spacetime emerge from entanglement.

 

This idea has just come to Leonard Susskind and is explained here: 

 


Dear Qubitzers, GR=QM


Leonard Susskind <https://arxiv.org/find/hep-th/1/au:+Susskind_L/0/1/0/all/0/1> 

(Submitted on 10 Aug 2017)

 

https://arxiv.org/abs/1708.03040

 

Also, here is how wormholes work

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnbJEg9r1o8

 

 

 

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 3:12 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> wrote:

Vorts,

 

Perusing some physics news, and thought you’d b interested in this:

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/841935/Why-is-there-a-universe-quarks-quantum-physics-big-bang-nothing-god

 

Some excerpts:

The new findings seem to break the classical physics law of the Conservation of 
Energy – that energy can neither be created nor destroyed – showing that new 
energy can appear within a closed system from nowhere.

 

These Quantum physicists first theorised, then proved, that particles simply 
pop into existence, usually in pairs, from absolutely nowhere.

 

Nobel prize winner Frank Wilczek of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 
who specialises is quantum chromodynamics, the theory that describes how quarks 
behave deep within atomic nuclei, has found that the universe simply doesn’t 
like a state of nothingness.

 

-mark iverson

 

 

[Vo]:Why pairs?

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Vorts,

 

Perusing some physics news, and thought you'd b interested in this:

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/841935/Why-is-there-a-universe-quarks-
quantum-physics-big-bang-nothing-god

 

Some excerpts:



The new findings seem to break the classical physics law of the Conservation
of Energy - that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - showing that
new energy can appear within a closed system from nowhere.

 

These Quantum physicists first theorised, then proved, that particles simply
pop into existence, usually in pairs, from absolutely nowhere.

 

Nobel prize winner Frank Wilczek of the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology, who specialises is quantum chromodynamics, the theory that
describes how quarks behave deep within atomic nuclei, has found that the
universe simply doesn't like a state of nothingness.

 

-mark iverson

 

[Vo]:FYI: unusual and extremely short-lived species of hydrogen

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

 

"Researchers study unusual and extremely short-lived species of hydrogen"

https://phys.org/news/2017-06-unusual-extremely-short-lived-species-hydrogen
.html

 

-mark

 

RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

The only UCAR I'm aware if is University Corporation for Atmospheric
Research.

https://www2.ucar.edu/

-mark

 

From: Brian Ahern [mailto:ahern_br...@msn.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:07 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

 

Who is UCAR?

 

  _  

From: bobcook39...@gmail.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 3:35 PM
To: Axil Axil; vortex-l
Subject: RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon 

 

bRIAN---

 

You may wantg to contact UCAR, who seems to have a good knowledge of
magnetics regarding reverse engineering the Manelaes device.  Trace elements
may be an important ingredient which will be hard to detect without
destructive examination.  

 

Gadolinium is used in MRI (nuclear magnetic resonance) machines.  As AXIL
poin ted out, Gd has strong electronic responses as well as nuclear magnetic
responses.  It may be that the Gd in a Ba fe lattice is able to help
nuclear-electronic spin energy coupling in a variable B field.

 

Keep in mind that reonances are probably required for a couple.  Thus, the
allof the nuclear species spin energy states could be involved in a couple.
The electronic spin energy states also change with the instantaneous  B
field.  The spin coupling theory AXIL IDNETIVIED a few comments back may be
another key for designing a good reverse engineering scheme.

 

Bob Ciook

 

Sent from Mail   for Windows
10

 

From: Axil Axil  
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:04 PM
To: vortex-l  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

 

The goal is to duplicate the Manelas or Sweet magnet in order to run tests
on the replicant. Replication is marked by the creation of a liquid like
mobile magnetic bubble with a boundary that is easily movable located at the
center of the magnet. The assumption is that the preparation process is
common between these two types of magnets: barium or strontium. The
difference between these two systems is most likely in the nature of the
activation signal.  Fabricating this special magnetic configuration seems to
take a accumulation of experience so either barium or strontium magnets will
serve well for practicing proper techniques. 

 

Replication process 

 

Buy at least 1 ceramic magnet of the appropriate size and material

 

https://www.amazon.com/Applied-Magnets-Ceramic-Magnet-Block/dp/B0012DPKX6/re
f=sr_1_105?s=industrial
 =UTF8=1488242881=1-105=ferrite+magnets

 

This magnet in all probability will be strontium.

-

 

Test to determine what type of magnet was delivered. If the surface of the
magnet does not conduct electricity (continuity tester) then the magnet is
barium, if the surface does conduct electricity then the magnet is
strontium.

 

-

Prepare the magnet by pre-treating it with high voltage electrostatic
tension. 

 

Place two conductive plates(copper) on each side of the billet. This will
form a capacitor out of the billet with the magnet as the dielectric.
Apply high voltage (20,000 volts or more) of electrostatic potential to the
billet. Capacitive breakdown of the dielectric billet should occur. Increase
the voltage until capacitive breakdown does occur.

--

 

Using a capacitor bank able to store voltages up over 1000 volts and 1000
joules of energy and a coil of wire wrapped around a plastic cylinder 8
inches in diameter

 

This video shows how to build the magnetic conditioner. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFarS-liuBY

 

I would add a shelf upon which the magnet can sit that is located in the
middle of the coil where the magnetic field produced by the DC pulse is
maximized.  

-

The key idea is to partially demagnetize the billet. To do this,  the
magnetic field lines from the magnet must oppose magnetic field lines
produced by the sides of the billet.

 

The demagnetization process must be done in small steps where feedback about
the behavior of the magnetic bubble can be applied to arrive at a goldilocks
level of magnetization: not too much and not too little.  The capacitor bank
should start out energized with only 100 volts worth of energy. 

 

Then the magnetic bubble should be checked out after each demagnetization
operation to determine if a liquid and highly mobile magnetic bubble has
emerged in the center of the billet's sides.

 

This validation process could be automated through a mecanized scan of the
total surface area of the magnet aginst a bebchmark. 

 

or it could entail rapid eyeballing of the magnetic field lines using
magnetic field viewing film

 

RE: [Vo]:Li batteries

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Just a guess Robin, but one can stop a 60mph car/truck and get out of harm's
way a bit faster than an airplane going 500+mph at 3 ft!
:-)
And the heat burning thru the skin of the vehicle. They now have specialized
containers on aircraft which will withstand the heat from failing Li
battery...
-mark


-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 6:17 PM
To: VORTEX
Subject: [Vo]:Li batteries

Hi,

I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only, do
not send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably
contained Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by
road, but not by air? 
Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in aircraft.
If that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at
altitude is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by
air??

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:New type of quantum phase transition...

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

FYI,

Nothing earth-shattering, but perhaps of some interest.

 

"Neutrons and a 'bit of gold' uncover new type of quantum phase transition"

https://phys.org/news/2017-01-neutrons-bit-gold-uncover-quantum.html

 

-mark

 

RE: [Vo]:Tillerson Says China Should Be Barred From South China Sea Islands

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Doubt it.  The BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China, S.Africa) have 
launched a major global effort to provide a competitor to BIS/World Bank/IMF, 
and I seriously doubt if Russia would jeopardize all that by siding with 
U.S./Japan/Philipines on China’s expanding in S.China sea.

 

From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:14 AM
To: John Milstone
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tillerson Says China Should Be Barred From South China Sea 
Islands

 

Perhaps the strategy is to get in good terms with Russia and both surround 
China?

RE: [Vo]:Re: Reason why there are no dead grad students...

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

YES!  That is the article which prompted my starting this thread!

 

You all should read it!  Apparently Axil eventually did… 

 

It seems to describes just the kind of energy transfer into the lattice instead 
of ejecting high-E particles, BUT ONLY AT A VERY SPECIFIC/NARROW energy level. 
I.e., one could easily ‘fly’ right past it and never know this ‘mode’ of 
e-transfer is there.

 

I believe the energy level required for this transfer was ~75meV, but someone 
more knowledgeable about atomic physics should verify… I believe the refereed 
paper is a free download.

 

Next time I submit a link, read the article since its more important than 
anything I have to say…

 

Merry Xmas All,

-mark iverson

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 9:38 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Reason why there are no dead grad students...

 

Was this article cited  here yet as support for a magic reaction frequency?

 

http://phys.org/news/2016-12-laser-pulses-scientists-complex-electron.html

 

Laser pulses help scientists tease apart complex electron interactions

 

"We see a very strong and peculiar interaction between the excited electrons 
and the lattice where the electrons are losing most of their energy very 
rapidly in a coherent, non-random way," Rameau said. At this special energy 
level, he explained, the electrons appear to be interacting with lattice atoms 
all vibrating at a particular frequency-like a tuning fork emitting a single 
note. When all of the electrons that have the energy required for this unique 
interaction have given up most of their energy, they start to cool down more 
slowly by hitting atoms more randomly without striking the "resonant" 
frequency, he said.



 

 

On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Frank Znidarsic  wrote:

 

Whatever mechanism is needed to transfer nuclear energy via phonons vs photons 
must be able to move a great deal of such energy over a considerable distance 
to ‘cool’ the NAE. 





To do this without radiation requires that the range of the nuclear force be 
extended beyond that of the electromagnetic.  It like stepping over a speed 
bump.  An extension of the static nuclear force would crush matter out of 
existence. 

 

 

Magnetic forces are not conserved.  The range of the strong nuclear spin orbit 
force can be extended without crushing matter out of existence.Soft iron 
increases the range of magnetic component of the electrical force.

A vibrating Bose condensate is the soft iron equivalent for the nuclear 
magnetic spin orbit force.

 

The constants of the motion (magnetic forces are of the motion) tend toward the 
electromagnetic (have a strong long long range magnetic component; magnetic 
,spin orbit, and gravitomagnetic) in a Bose condensate that is stimulated at a 
dimensional frequency (Jed came up with word dimensional frequency) of 
1,094,000 hertz-meters.

 

 

Frank Z

 

[Vo]:Reason why there are no dead grad students...

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Vorts,

 

Haven't had time to do much sci-surfing in 2016, but as is quite common in
my life, when I get a nagging feeling to do it, I come across stuff that
could be very significant. 

 

Happened to go to physorg.com today when eating lunch at work and came
across this article:

 

"Laser pulses help scientists tease apart complex electron interactions"

 
http://phys.org/news/2016-12-laser-pulses-scientists-complex-electron.html

 

Title doesn't really sound all that breakthrough, but for some reason I
clicked on it and came across what could be the mechanism of action in LENR
reactions which gently sheds the energy to the lattice instead of ejecting
high-energy particles, i.e., the 'expected' mechanism.  To quote the
article:

 

"But they also discovered another, unexpected signal-which they say
represents a distinct form of extremely efficient
 energy loss at a particular energy level
and timescale between the other two.

 

"We see a very strong and peculiar interaction between the excited electrons
and the lattice where the electrons are losing most of their energy very
rapidly in a coherent, non-random way," Rameau said. At this special energy
level, he explained, the electrons appear to be interacting with lattice
atoms all vibrating at a particular frequency-like a tuning fork emitting a
single note. When all of the electrons that have the energy required for
this unique interaction have given up most of their energy, they start to
cool down more slowly by hitting atoms more randomly without striking the
"resonant" frequency, he said.

 

"We know now that this interaction doesn't just switch on when the material
becomes a superconductor; it's actually always there,"



Although electron-based and not nucleus-based, it still makes me wonder if
this is one step in a multi-step process of energy transfer. nucleus to
electrons to lattice.

 

It is in a very narrow energy range, and is obviously some kind of resonance
(coherent) condition. which also explains why it's so hard to reproduce.
Wonder if the narrow energy kink is anywhere close to FrankZ's
1.094Mhz-meter?

 

BTW, the research also used a setup which I've been ranting about for years.
the electron stroboscope.

 

"By varying the time between the 'pump' and 'probe' laser pulses we can
build up a stroboscopic record of what happens - a movie of what this
material looks like from rest through the violent interaction to how it
settles back down,"



Merry Christmas to All,

-mark iverson

 

RE: [Vo]:RE: violation of 2nd Law of Thermo possible... theoretically speaking.

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Hi Jones,

 

Good to hear from you and hope all is well on your end. wish I had time to
put some serious thought into the discussions there.  You should have been a
writer.  You know how to weave a good story around some pretty mundane
science details. I find myself late to bed cuz I just had to read your
vortex posts!

 

Yes, I've browsed thru a fair number of the Wiki-Leaks emails and happened
to see that one from Edgar Mitchell a few days ago. got busy and forgot to
mention it to the Collective. very interesting indeed.   Perhaps all the
chaos being drummed up in the world is to distract the masses from much
bigger events about to happen?  Knowledge of ETs, western banking having to
compete with BRICS, and much more.  guess time will tell.  Meanwhile, those
masses still have to pay the bills and put food on the table.

 

Best  Always,

-mark

 

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:57 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:RE: violation of 2nd Law of Thermo possible... theoretically
speaking.

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

Things at the dime-box saloon seem to be a bit subdued of late.  thought
this might stir up some ruckus! J  "Researchers posit way to locally
circumvent Second Law of Thermodynamics"

 
<http://phys.org/news/2016-10-posit-locally-circumvent-law-thermodynamics.ht
ml>
http://phys.org/news/2016-10-posit-locally-circumvent-law-thermodynamics.htm
l

Mark, 

Strange as it may seem, one of the infamous Wiki-leaks hacked email messages
actually talks about zero point energy. 

 
<http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/10/09/wikileaks-podesta-email-leak
-about-ets-also-mentions-zero-point-energy-heres-what-that-is/>
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/10/09/wikileaks-podesta-email-leak-
about-ets-also-mentions-zero-point-energy-heres-what-that-is/

There is a fabulous ZPE video with Hal Puthoff on this page.

[Vo]:violation of 2nd Law of Thermo possible... theoretically speaking.

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Vorts,

 

Things at the dime-box saloon seem to be a bit subdued of late.  thought
this might stir up some ruckus!

J 

 

"Researchers posit way to locally circumvent Second Law of Thermodynamics"

http://phys.org/news/2016-10-posit-locally-circumvent-law-thermodynamics.htm
l

 

WR,

-mark iverson

 

RE: [Vo]:RE: Dwarfs, Roasters and Holmlid

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Hi Jones, fellow Vortables!

 

And the particles within a plasma are much more free to align with electric
and/or magnetic fields. perhaps bringing on a state of coherence otherwise
unattainable, or only at extreme field strengths.

 

-mark iverson

 

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:05 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:RE: Dwarfs, Roasters and Holmlid

 

In the category of "astrophysical phenomenon which may involve LERN"
consider the recent announcement of x-rays detected from Pluto. All of the
proposed explanations for these x-rays are pretty lame, so we have no
regrets about adding another one which is LERN related. Main story:

"The Puzzling Detection of Pluto in the X-Ray by Chandra"

 
www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2016/pdf/2449.pdf

Worth noting is that the authors recognize that Pluto has a dusty surface,
composed on nanometer sized dust particles of unknown composition.  The
atmosphere is thin, and consequently plasma would form easily. There is
methane in the thin atmosphere which is a source of hydrogen. "Dusty
magnetic plasmas" have been used for both hot and cold fusion, so there is
no doubt that this process is feasible in some circumstances. Here is a
citation:

 
http://mipse.umich.edu/files/Thomas_presentation.pdf

A dusty plasma which would support both hot and cold fusion would be the key
to understanding Pluto's x-rays, along with a magnetic field (which has not
been document yet, but the situation is similar to Uranus form which Pluto
was probably formed). On the two neighbor planets the magnetic axis does not
go through the center of the planet. Yet the field is strong, off-center and
off-axis and about 50 times stronger than the Earth's. If Pluto has a
similar field, then magnetism would be strong enough to hold nanoparticles
of iron-nickel following meteorite impact. 

Thus the stage is set for densification of hydrogen into a species (UDH)
which then reacts in some way. The x-rays result from the fast products of
the reaction. BTW - Pluto is smaller than our Moon but could have a magnetic
field (based on Uranus) which is thousands of times stronger and it can hold
an atmosphere - thus the difference.

If this suggestion has merit, then it is conceivable that UDH could be
harvested off of Pluto by an expedition which is trying to reach a planet
around another star . such as Proxima Centari .

_

Red Dwarf stars like our closest neighbor, Proxima Centari, are provocative
. especially if they heat a habitable planet and are close enough to travel
to (using the EMdrive ?). 

This conjecture comes up today due to input from SciFi and SciAm concerning
a recent fictional tale that turned out to be nearly true. You can read
about that in the cite below, but there is further possibility that they
don't go into. No surprise. After all this is SciAm, what did you expect?

 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-book-that-predicted-proxima-b-
excerpt/

The least massive red dwarf has a few % the mass of the Sun but the
temperature and pressures to support hot nuclear fusion is still there.
However, if cold fusion of the type involving "ultradense hydrogen" is real
(Holmlid effect) there is the outside chance that we will find a warmer
Jupiter out there to fill in the gap between red dwarf and cold gas giant. 

Maybe this is already found, since there is a little known class of large
planets called "roasters".

 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Jupiter

Back to Proxima Centauri, which is located just 4.2 light-years away and is
only a little larger than Jupiter in diameter but more massive. Its planet
is the about the size of Earth and is likely to be habitable. The smallest
known dwarf star is a bit smaller. But if we dispose of the requirement of
hot fusion as being the only heat source, then there could be another
category between gas giant and red dwarf, which is the "roaster" category,
yet without a nearby star to keep it hot.

In fact, although the cloud temperature of Jupiter is  a chilly -145 degrees
C, the temperature near the planet's core is a rather toasty 24,000 degrees
C . which ironically is far hotter than the surface of the sun. Go figure.
If a Jupiter-like planet had a larger iron-nickel core so that the hot zone
is moved closer to the surface, then the cloud temperature could become
balmy, due to more internal heat. The moons of such a Hot Jupiter would then
be where to look for life.

Since Jupiter probably has a solid hydrogen core, it is indeed possible that
unbeknownst to most cosmologists - one contributory heat source already is
due to LENR. But if not, there still could be a more massive planet, or a
less massive red 

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Interesting find Fran!

 

The idea that a very small force applied resonantly producing effects which 
‘normally’ require a much stronger force is nothing new, and I’ve certainly 
brought up a number of articles over the years on this matter… 

 

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg83767.html

 

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg67390.html

 

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg73037.html

 

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg104970.html

 

***What may be novel is that, in Fran’s reference, it’s the vacuum fluctuations 
which are the minute forces acting in resonance… 

Does this represent the link or method to extract energy from the vacuum? Does 
it at least represent the physical possibility rather than a theoretical one?

 

-mark iverson 

 

From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 6:18 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

 

What caught my eye was that this can change the ground state, initiate phase 
changes, fueled by polaritons in a confined cavity… all the ingredients we hear 
mentioned by Jones and axil,  but…. done  with low power [snip] Kono said the 
amount of terahertz light put into the cavity is very weak. "What we depend on 
is the vacuum fluctuation. Vacuum, in a classical sense, is an empty space. 
There's nothing. But in a quantum sense, a vacuum is full of fluctuating 
photons, having so-called zero-point energy. These vacuum photons are actually 
what we are using to resonantly excite electrons in our cavity.[/snip]  

 

]Fran

 

From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 8:55 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Light and matter merge in quantum coupling

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X  
wrote:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm

 

“"This general subject is what's known as cavity quantum electrodynamics 
(QED)," Kono said. "In cavity QED, the cavity enhances the light so that matter 
in the cavity resonantly interacts with the vacuum field. What is unique about 
solid-state cavity QED is that the light typically interacts with this huge 
number of electrons, which behave like a single gigantic atom."”

 

Light and matter are essentially manifestations of the same energetic motions 
(of whatever): so it's not surprising that, with the proper geometries and 
harmonics, they can be effortlessly made to manifest each other 
'symbiotically', on-demand, in a lab. Sooner or later Humans were going to find 
out how.

 

But who beat us to it..!?

:P

 

 

 

 

[Vo]:Physicists discover 'apparent departure from the laws of thermodynamics'

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

While I'm distracted from what I should be doing. I'll throw this in:

"Physicists discover 'apparent departure from the laws of thermodynamics' "

http://phys.org/news/2016-08-physicists-apparent-departure-laws-thermodynami
cs.html

 

-mark

RE: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Ok, so who let the troll in… 

 

From: Che [mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 6:41 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Lennart Thornros
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LERNR and Evil, some info

 

WTF do you know about anything, eh? Typical knee-jerk crap from people who in 
fact believe some corporation are going to shower their little LENR projects 
with oodles of cash at some point, and make them filthy rich.. So of course 
they support this bastard social-economic order, however bad it is for everyone 
else.

 

C'mon admit it. That's the true end-goal, for many of you here. Worked for 
Rossi and the others, huh?

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Lennart Thornros  wrote:

Che
How did you become a pro?
Reading a book?
That goes a long way, but in the end it is like in science the experience of 
physical experiment is what counts.
Then you will find there are many opinions and in my book they are all ok. 
Seldom are we 100% right.

On Jun 24, 2016 21:30, "Che"  wrote:

OT for vortex-l, but a short reply (since an off-hand slagging of 'communism' 
was prominent in a LENR article):

 

No good marxist need learn any lessons from poor old East Europeans about 
'communism'. We know from long, personal experience with you all, that 99% of 
you are clueless about it. All you people really have is your lived experience 
of 'Actually-Existing Socialism' -- i.e. stalinism -- and the willingness of 
westerners to use you for the propaganda value in having hated it (just to 
throw you away, after, when your services are no longer required...)

 

All of which is pretty useless for the most part, for the World working-class. 
And completely and utterly wrong, need I add.

 

So like I said: stick to LENR science. You're no good at the politics thing. 
Leave it to us pros.

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 4:52 AM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

Dear Che,

 

what do you want to know about Communism?

my experience with it is from 1948 to 1989 Romanian style.

Feel free to ask anything

Peter

 

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

Che  wrote:

 

 

Gluck is clearly not qualified to comment on 'communism' -- or probably 
anything else political, for that matter.

 

Well, he did live under communism for a long time, so he can draw no personal 
experience.

 

- Jed

 





 

-- 

Dr. Peter Gluck

Cluj, Romania

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

 

 

RE: [Vo]:81 MW container ship Diesel engine

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Jed:

if you wanted to actually sail it anywhere, even just around the harbor, it’ll 
cost a lot more for a crew and diesel fuel!

But, if you just want to party hearty while docked at the wharf, probably 
cheaper than renting a posh nightclub for a few hours, and all your friends 
will be like, NO WAY Kewl dude!

J

-mark

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 12:28 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:81 MW container ship Diesel engine

 

MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> wrote:

 

“Rates for Capesize-class ships plummeted 92 percent since August to $1,563 a 
day amid slowing growth in China.

 

That's cheap. Heck, I could afford that. It would be an interesting party venue 
for a 1-day excursion or a wedding. Plenty of space for a crowd. I'll bet 
that's cheaper than most luxury yacht charters.

 

- Jed

 

RE: [Vo]:81 MW container ship Diesel engine

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

FYI…

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-20/it-now-cheaper-rent-dry-bulk-tanker-ferrari

 

“Rates for Capesize-class ships plummeted 92 percent since August to $1,563 a 
day amid slowing growth in China. That’s less than a third of the daily rate of 
$5,597 to rent a Ferrari F40.”  [crew/fuel not included]

 

-mark

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 12:33 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:81 MW container ship Diesel engine

 

Here is an astounding machine:

 

http://www.trucktrend.com/cool-trucks/1405-maersk-e-class-container-ships/

 

This photo shows the scale of it:

 

http://www.trucktrend.com/cool-trucks/1405-maersk-e-class-container-ships/#photo-05

 

The crankshaft weighs 300 tons!

 

I am writing an essay about engines and other primary energy consuming 
machines. My thesis is that machines which can be made smaller and mass 
produced will be much cheaper with cold fusion. This machine cannot be made 
smaller, and there is no mass market for it. There are only 5,000 container 
ships in the world. This would be somewhat cheaper with cold fusion. Of course 
the fuel will cost nothing.

 

This engine consumes 150 gallons of heavy oil per mile, at 30 mph (25.5 knots). 
30 mph is incredibly fast!

 

I find it amazing that they can operate this ship with a crew of only 13 people.

 

Ship specifications:

 

 


SPECIFICATIONS


Vessel:

Maersk E-Class


Type:

Container ship


Gross tonnage:

170,974 tons


Net tonnage:

55,396 tons


Deadweight tonnage:

156,907 tons


Twenty-foot equivalent units:

14,770


Length:

1,302 feet


Beam:

184 feet


Draught:

51 feet


Depth:

98 feet (deck to keel)


Speed:

29.3 mph (25.5 knots)


Crew:

13 (with room for up to 30)

 

RE: [Vo]:NY Times, "How Saudi Arabia Turned Its Greatest Weapon on Itself"

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Although the largest uses for petroleum are energy/transportation, which would 
be replaced by LENR, there are numerous other uses for petroleum which will not 
be replaced by LENR, so there will always be some market for it.  Here are some 
of those other uses:

 

Agriculture

One of the most important uses of petroleum is in the production of ammonia to 
be used as the nitrogen source in agricultural fertilizers. In the early 20th 
century, Fritz Haber invented a process that allowed for industrial scale 
production of ammonia. Prior to that, ammonia for fertilizer came only from 
manure and other biological processes. Agriculture also depends on the use of 
pesticides to ensure consistent, healthy crop yields. Pesticides are almost all 
produced from oil. 

 

Plastics

Plastic is a staple of modern life. From computer monitors to nylon to 
Styrofoam, plastics are integral aspects of many manufactured products. 
Polystyrene, from which Styrofoam is made, and polyvinyl chloride (PVC) were 
both products of post-World War II industrialization. Nylon, which is in 
everything from stockings to mechanical gears and even in car engines, is the 
most successful petroleum-based plastic to date. Most plastics come from 
olefins, which include ethylene and propylene.

 

Tires

Tires are made of rubber. Until 1910 all rubber was produced from natural 
elastomers obtained from plants. The need for synthetic rubber was relatively 
small until World War II, which resulted in embargos on natural rubber from 
South America and the need to produce synthetic rubber on a large scale. Rubber 
is primarily a product of butadiene.

 

Pharmaceuticals

Mineral oil and petrolatum are petroleum byproducts used in many creams and 
topical pharmaceuticals. Tar, for psoriasis and dandruff, is also produced from 
petroleum. Most pharmaceuticals are complex organic molecules, which have their 
basis in smaller, simpler organic molecules. Most of these precursors are 
petroleum byproducts.

 

Dyes, Detergents, and Other

Petroleum distillates such as benzene, toluene, xylene, and others provide the 
raw material for products that include dyes, synthetic detergents, and fabrics. 
Benzene and toluene are the starting materials used to make polyurethanes, 
which are used in surfactants, oils, and even to varnish wood. Even sulfuric 
acid has its origins in the sulfur that is removed from petroleum.

 

Partial List of Unexpected Products Made from or Containing Petroleum:

Ink

Upholstery

CDs

Vitamin Capsule

Denture Adhesive

Putty

Guitar Strings

Heart Valves

Anesthetics

Cortisone

Toilet Seats

Crayons

Pillows

Artificial Turf

Deodorant

Lipstick

Hair Coloring

Aspirin

Makeup

Candle wax

 

-mark

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:41 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NY Times, "How Saudi Arabia Turned Its Greatest Weapon on 
Itself"

 

Axil Axil  wrote:

 

That opinion is an overreaction. It will take 20 to 30 years before any 
fraction of transportation is converted over to LENR.

 

The time it takes to convert is not so important. An economist friend of mine 
explained to me that markets respond to likely future events, either short term 
or long term. If it becomes generally known that over the next 30 years most of 
the market for oil will vanish, that will have an immediate effect on the price 
today. Producers will want to sell off their inventory as quickly as as they 
can while it still has value. When every producer does that, the price will 
plummet.

 

They will rush to dig more wells to get as much oil out of the ground and sold 
as they can before it becomes worthless. "Rushing" to dig a well means you do 
it in 3 to 5 years. It is a slow business. In the context of building an oil 
extraction infrastructure, 30 years is a fairly short time.

 

Once the writing is on the wall the price will collapse and never recover. I 
think it is starting to do that with coal, because natural gas, wind and solar 
have taken a large fraction of the coal market, and there is no reason to think 
they will not take the rest of it away over the next 30 years. They are getting 
cheaper every day, and there is growing public pressure to reduce carbon 
emissions. The biggest coal producer is China. They peaked in 2011 and will 
soon begin dropping rapidly. See p. 14 here:

 

https://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/KeyWorld_Statistics_2015.pdf

 

- Jed

 

[Vo]:Chinese fire Tokamak reactor, generate 50M degs plasma for 102 seconds...

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

FYI:

They claim this is a record. not enough details to know if they lost
containment or just turned it off after 102 seconds.

 

http://www.eedesignit.com/scientists-create-energy-device-that-produces-hydr
ogen-at-temps-hotter-than-sun/

"The team's

Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak (EAST) fusion device made a
102-second long pulse plasma discharge at over  50 million degrees, making
it the longest plasma discharge time recorded in all the Tokamak fusion
devices in the world."

 

-mark iverson

 

RE: [Vo]:Article: Chiral magnetic effect generates quantum current

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

One cannot understand (super)conductivity unless physical orientation is also 
included.  I.e., I would be willing to bet that superconductivity occurs when 
the current ‘flow’ is EXACTLY perpendicular to the magnetic axes.  This is EASY 
to accomplish in graphene (or other single-layer materials), but once you get a 
few layers the interactions between atoms result in non-alignment of magnetic 
dipoles, it becomes nearly impossible to achieve the kind of alignments 
necessary for superconductivity unless one removes most of the heat quanta from 
the material; is it any wonder that quantum mechanics can ONLY achieve results 
based on probabilities?

-mark

 

From: John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 5:51 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: Chiral magnetic effect generates quantum current

 

Ok, wow!

 

So I have for about 20 years been collecting evidence of parallel electric and 
magnetic fields creating an anomalous voltage (they don't say voltage, but 
mention extracting energy from Dirac sea and a powerful increase in 
conductivity).

I have been working with chiral effects for about 5 years, this paper is 
perfectly echoing my work.

 

I can give you a decent size list of experiments with electric current 
generating an anomalous preferred direction when current flows along a magnetic 
field like this.

 

Also the equal left and right handed Charity!  Yes I have found that too.

And then it goes on to talk about massless particles that are like electrons!

 

This just sounds like an echo chamber of my own work.

 

John (call me paranoid, but article below in case it disappears or gets 
modified)



 

Scientists at the U.S Department of Energy's (DOE) Brookhaven National 
Laboratory and Stony Brook University have discovered a new way to generate 
very low-resistance electric current in a new class of materials. The 
discovery, which relies on the separation of right- and left-"handed" 
particles, points to a range of potential applications in energy, quantum 
computing, and medical imaging, and possibly even a new mechanism for inducing 
superconductivity—the ability of some materials to carry current with no energy 
loss.

The material the scientists worked with, zirconium pentatelluride, has a 
surprising trait: When placed in parallel electric and magnetic fields, it 
responds with an imbalance in the number of right- and left-handed particles—a 
chiral imbalance. That imbalance pushes oppositely charged particles in 
opposite directions to create a powerful electric current.

This "chiral magnetic effect" had long been predicted theoretically, but never 
observed definitively in a materials science laboratory at the time this work 
was done.

In fact, when physicists in Brookhaven's Condensed Matter Physics & Materials 
Science Department (CMP) first measured the significant drop in electrical 
resistance, and the accompanying dramatic increase in conductivity, they were 
quite surprised. "We didn't know this large magnitude of 'negative 
magnetoresistance' was possible," said Qiang Li, a physicist and head of the 
advanced energy materials group in the department and a co-author on a paper 
describing these results just published in the journal Nature Physics. But 
after teaming up with Dmitri Kharzeev, the head of the RIKEN-BNL theory group 
at Brookhaven and a professor at Stony Brook, the scientists had an explanation.

Kharzeev had explored similar behavior of subatomic particles in the magnetic 
fields created in collisions at the Lab's Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider 
(RHIC), a DOE Office of Science User Facility where nuclear physicists explore 
the fundamental building blocks of matter. He suggested that in both the RHIC 
collisions and zirconium pentatelluride, the separation of charges could be 
triggered by a chiral imbalance.

To test the idea, they compared their measurements with the mathematical 
predictions of how powerful the increase in conductivity should be with 
increasing   magnetic field strength.

"We looked at the data and we said, 'Gee, that's it!' We tested six different 
samples and confirmed that no matter how you do it, it's there as long as the 
magnetic field is parallel to the electrical current. That's the smoking gun," 
Li said.

Going Chiral

Right- or left-handed chirality is determined by whether a particle's spin is 
aligned with or against its direction of motion. In order for chirality to be 
definitively established, particles have to behave as if they are nearly 
massless and able to move as such in all three spatial directions.

While free-flowing nearly massless particles are commonly found in the 
quark-gluon plasma created at RHIC, this was not expected to occur in condensed 
matter. However, in some recently discovered materials, including "Dirac 
semimetals"—named for the physicist who wrote the equations to describe 
fast-moving 

[Vo]:EVIDENCE FOR A DISTANT GIANT PLANET IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

I submitted a post to Vortex a few weeks ago on this, but here is the
peer-reviewed paper.

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/0004-6256/151/2/22/meta;jsessionid
=661E43FED09E41AA6D98C36FC1BCCF2C.c4.iopscience.cld.iop.org

The PDF is freely downloadable.

 

Sitchin and the Sumerians may have been right all along.

 

-mark

 

[Vo]:Sitchin may have been right after all... Rogue planet very likely.

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

And with very similar characteristics to Sitchin's description.

>From what I remember, Zecharia Sitchin proposed the rogue planet was
captured by our sun long ago, was large and had an extremely elliptical
orbit with a period of 3600 yrs.  This planet, Nibiru, was a key part of the
cosmologies of ancient civilizations like the Sumerians. how did they
know???

http://www.sitchin.com/

 

>> Caltech Researchers Find Evidence of a Real Ninth Planet
<<

https://www.caltech.edu/news/caltech-researchers-find-evidence-real-ninth-pl
anet-49523

 

"Caltech researchers have found evidence of a giant planet tracing a
bizarre, highly elongated orbit in the outer solar system. The object, which
the researchers have nicknamed Planet Nine, has a mass about 10 times that
of Earth and orbits about 20 times farther from the sun on average than does
Neptune (which orbits the sun at an average distance of 2.8 billion miles).
In fact, it would take this new planet between 10,000 and 20,000 years to
make just one full orbit around the sun.

 

Another 'crackpot' proven correct??? 

No surprise there.

-mark iverson

 

RE: [Vo]:N. Y. Times article comment

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Bob,

Thanks for explaining the nuances of the modeling issue… I agree. I’ve 
commented on this topic before in the Vort Collective… 

 

I did my thesis (1990) under Dr. James Telford, atmospheric physicist. One of 
his pet peeves was all the $ going into GCMs (Global Climate Models) when they 
really didn’t know what even half the variables were – for instance, the effect 
of cloud cover; and many of the efforts didn’t even have real data.  Telford 
was unusual in that he was both a  theorist and an experimentalist, building 
many of his own instruments and data collection system which they flew on 
aircraft to collect in-situ data.  He was a recognized expert on cloud 
microphysics.  In his view, global climate modeling was so complex that it 
would likely never result in accurate models.

 

-mark

 

From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 7:10 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:N. Y. Times article comment

 

Jed, I think a problem in this dialog is that you are not an expert even in a 
related field. I happen to be an expert in a related field.  I spent my career 
in computer modeling of linear and nonlinear systems.  The climate modeling 
problem suffers in many ways from the same problem as LENR.

 

Poincare proved that even the 3-body orbit problem was infinitely complex.  
There are infinite solutions depending upon the starting state vector.  In 
LENR, because the interaction with condensed matter comprises many, many 
bodies, the solution depends entirely on the simplifying assumptions made to 
formulate the problem mathematically.  The problem is nearly infinitely complex 
to formulate with so many bodies participating, and it is impossible to 
completely know the starting state vector.  And, this is with the presumption 
that the forces-reactions are linear.

 

The instant you add non-linearity to even the smallest problem, the results 
become infinitely complex, highly dependent on the starting conditions, and 
highly dependent on the amplitude of the reaction.  Getting solutions in such a 
domain generally requires already knowing the answer to start, and then working 
back to understand what caused it.

 

There has been a century of evolution in paleoclimatology - grand research in 
determining the climate of the last million years.  It has shown the positive 
feedback effect of greenhouse gasses and how quickly the planet snaps out of a 
glaciation and into peak warm earth with no influence of man.  This is a 
highly, highly nonlinear process that simply cannot be computed with accuracy 
today - perhaps never.  If we stopped adding all greenhouse gasses today, we 
would not be able to predict with any confidence the rate of temperature rise, 
the difference in temperature rise, the change in timing of the temperature 
rise snap, nor the peak warming that will be reached.  

 

If you look at hurricane track modeling, and look at the disparity between 
solutions for track and intensity by different models, you see the problem.  
Beyond a day the results diverge significantly.  Yes, you can compute the 
average track, but the hurricane doesn't usually follow the average.  Like many 
things that are uncorrelated, the average is simply a useless number.  I assert 
that consensus in the climate issue is akin to "averaging" and is a useless 
metric.  If all of the models are wrong (and due to the simplifications, 
problem complexity, and the nonlinearity, they are all by definition wrong), 
then the average is wrong too.  I have no confidence what-so-ever in consensus 
in climate modeling.  Some one model may be closer to being correct but we 
don't know whose, and the correct solution is probably not close to the average 
of the predictions.

 

Such inaccuracy in modeling begs for a moderate response.  I say, do the right 
thing in general, and proceed with moderation.

 

Kerry is proposing that the Paris Accord will cost the US $50T over 35 years.  
If we spent $1T on LENR, much of the problem would be solved.  The remaining 
$49T is such a huge amount that it could relieve 1B of the world's most poverty 
stricken population.  Expending it instead in emergency elimination of carbon 
emissions, and the number in poverty will probably grow.

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote:

MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> wrote:

 

Here’s the real issue Jed…

 

Didn’t you once argue vociferously, that science is NOT done by consensus???

 

As Damon Runyon said, "The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to 
the strong, but that's the way to bet."

 

What I am saying is that when you are an outsider to a field, and especially 
when the issue is highly technical and takes years to master, your best bet is 
to assume that the consensus is correct. This sometimes leads you to make an 
error of judgement, especially a Fallacious Appeal to Authority. 

 

RE: [Vo]:N. Y. Times article comment

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Gee, how timely is this…

 

“Dr. Judith Curry is Professor and former Chair of the School of Earth and 
Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. She delivered her 
verbal statement to last week's US Senate Commerce Committee Hearing on "Data 
or Dogma? Promoting Open Inquiry in the Debate Over the Magnitude of the Human 
Impact on Earth’s Climate."

 

   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GujLcfdovE8=TLW-Xzkt74b0oxNDEyMjAxNQ=1

 

She too was then demonized and called a ‘heretic’ and ‘denier’ after she simply 
expressed her well informed opinion and suggestions as to how the field could 
improve…

 

One should immediately question the motive of anyone who attacks the person, 
tries to label them, instead of criticizing their suggestions or facts… 
propaganda is everywhere, in every sphere, be it political or commercial or 
academic. Perception is everything in the control freaks’ minds… and they 
actively manage the narrative and perception that they want to push… 

 

Time to clean house; clean up the corruption in all spheres, especially 
politics.

-Mark Iverson

 

RE: [Vo]:N. Y. Times article comment

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Here’s the real issue Jed…

 

Didn’t you once argue vociferously, that science is NOT done by consensus???  
If not then it was some other Vort…

And,

I want to know what % of the ‘consensus’ (proponents), who are knowledgeable 
about the issue, AND, AND, AND, are NOT receiving some of their funding for 
climate-related research???  

I want to know exactly where each person is getting funding, or who’s ‘soft’ 
research position is being funded by climate-change related research, so their 
‘opinion’ can be weighted appropriately.

 

The internet and social media makes it s much easier to spread propaganda, 
to ‘manage the perception’, that I need to know how one’s livelihood is being 
funded… PERIOD.  FOLLOW THE $.  

 

It’s all about ‘Perception Deception’… get a clue!

 

-mark

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 6:28 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:N. Y. Times article comment

 

MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> wrote:

 

Gee, how timely is this…

“Dr. Judith Curry is Professor and former Chair of the School of Earth and 
Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. She delivered her 
verbal statement to last week's US Senate Commerce Committee Hearing on "Data 
or Dogma? Promoting Open Inquiry in the Debate Over the Magnitude of the Human 
Impact on Earth’s Climate."

 She too was then demonized and called a ‘heretic’ and ‘denier’ after she 
simply expressed her well informed opinion and suggestions as to how the field 
could improve…

 

Yes. As I said, no matter how well science is settled, you can always find a 
few experts within a field who disagree with the majority conclusions. I would 
not be surprised if there are some professional astronomers who do not believe 
the universe is expanding.

 

A minority always starts with exactly 1 person. In rare cases, it turns out 
that person is right, and the other 20,000 people in the field are wrong. It 
usually takes a long time to convince the others. That one person is usually 
demonized and attacked personally. You can find examples here:

 

http://amasci.com/weird/vindac.html#j38

 

This is human nature. It is politics, and politics are everywhere, in all human 
interaction and in all institutions. You can no more extinguish politics than 
you can escape from sexuality or dying of old age.

 

However, despite all that, as an outsider you should bet on the consensus. 
Unless you have some deep inside connections and you know that the institution 
is hopelessly corrupt and run exclusively by idiots, you have to assume that 
for that most part the experts there are correct.

 

It is important to understand that people can be smart about one thing and 
stupid about another. With regard to cold fusion the editors at the Scientific 
American are stupid. They are ignorant and closed minded. But with regard to 
other subjects they are not so stupid, and much of what they say is worth 
listening to. It makes me nervous reading the magazine because I can never be 
sure they are right . . . but that goes for every magazine you read. And every 
bank you deposit money into, every airline and hospital. From time to time, 
institutions we assume are professional and well run turn out to be a shambles.

 

When I first met Gene Mallove, he was an insider and true believer in the 
nobility of science. He had PdDs from Harvard and MIT. What could be more 
mainstream? He had the idea that scientists are open minded, fair, and that 
they embrace novelty and new ideas. I told him that scientists are pretty much 
like everyone else -- like most people they hate and fear new ideas. (I knew 
that because I read a lot of history, not because I am cynical.)

 

Gene later became so angry about the way mainstream science treated cold 
fusion, he swung to the opposite extreme. He began to think that any science 
maverick must be right, and the mainstream must be wrong. He thought all 
science institutions must be corrupt. I said then -- and I still say -- the 
situation is nuanced, and complicated. Both individual people and institutions 
can be a mixture of smart and stupid, fair and unfair.

 

One day Gene said to me with a sigh, "this does not end neatly like an Arthur 
Clarke story, does it?" He meant there is never a time when the scientists 
finally all agree, doubts are resolved, progress is made, and the next great 
adventure begins. I think what happens more often is what Planck described:

"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making 
them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new 
generation grows up that is familiar with it."

 

Regrettably, this is not happening with cold fusion. The opposite is happening: 
the field is dying along with the generation who did the experiments.

 

- Jed

 

[Vo]:Surface topology tuning...

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

FYI:
The reason I include this article is that surface topology can tune and
enhance absorption by many orders of magnitude.

"Thermal energy harvesting antennas by more than 10,000 to 100,000 times
with tiny holes in copper"

http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/10/thermal-energy-harvesting-antennas-by.html

 

"Park's team uses software to analyze how the nanoscale topology of a
surface -- its bumps, holes or grooves -- changes the way that
electromagnetic radiation interacts with the surface. In some instances the
geometry supports the formation of a wave of rippling electronic charges,
called a plasmon, that hugs the surface."

 

"We design the surface to support a surface wave, because the presence of
the wave offers a new avenue for engineering thermal emission," Park said.
For the case of optimizing thermal energy harvesting, the researchers found
they could "spectrally tune" a surface to emit more radiation at 1 THz
frequency.

 

"Turning Up the Heat: Holey Metamaterials Enhance Thermal Energy Harvesting"

http://www.newswise.com/articles/turning-up-the-heat-holey-metamaterials-enh
ance-thermal-energy-harvesting

 

-Mark Iverson

 

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RE: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

The first thing that should be critiqued is their empirical process and data, 
and then their hypothesis as to the physics… NOT the other way around! Coming 
down on them due to the hypothesis could cause the LENR community to dismiss 
valid data, which could provide some new insights…

-mark iverson

 

From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 12:52 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

 

I think it is appropriate for forums such as Vortex-L to debate the value of 
new papers.  We should be fair, honest, and not defamatory.  We should not 
impugn the integrity of the authors.  I tried to be fair and explicit in what I 
said.  I would love for the authors to respond on Vortex - lets get at the 
truth.

 

Bob Higgins 

 

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Eric Walker  wrote:

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

 

In short (at the risk of being repetitive) ... this theory is an embarrassment 
to the two guys who proposed it since they did not recognize the insurmountable 
problems.

 

I don't know.  I think it's kind of an interesting time to watch this field -- 
it feels a little like what it might have been like during the dawn of the 
scientific method.  We need to encourage a learning attitude, and people should 
be allowed to make mistakes in public without incurring a stigma.  As the 
authors become better acquainted with nuclear physics, this understanding will 
either modify the approach they take, or at least they'll know which concerns 
to address up front, knowing there will be certain types of complaint (e.g., 
free neutrons, gammas, etc.).

 

The super-harsh critics who watch this kind of attempt and draw scathing 
conclusions about people looking into LENR are not a big concern, in my opinion.

 

We should be encouraging and not take too critical an eye to attempts such as 
the one by Lunden and Lidgren.  In addition, we should be open to fragments of 
insight that might be hidden in such attempts.

 

Eric

 

 

RE: [Vo]:Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Jones,

I’m not looking at it from a critical eye; I leave that up to those who have 
the detailed knowledge of atomic/nuclear physics…

 

The reason I submit refs to various scientific articles is to provide 
additional ideas, food for thought, which might help others formulate a 
physical mechanism… the common thread between the Swede’s paper and the ref I 
just posted is the observation that the ‘force’ can change from attractive to 
repulsive depending simply on frequency.  Does QM explain that?

 

In fact, the statement below seems to say that they can control the interaction 
between two atoms in any way: attraction, repulsion and “pass right through 
each other without colliding.”

"The atoms exhibit fascinating behavior in this system," he said. By

exposing different parts of the sample to different laser intensities, "We

can choose to make the atoms attract or repel each other, or pass right

through each other without colliding."

 

For example, is it possible that to get two atoms to pass right thru each other 
requires aligning magnetic axes perpendicular to each other…

-mark

 

 

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 12:49 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

Ø   

Ø   I posted a ref from physorg ... It involves a new observation about 
resonance which might tie in with the Swede’s paper...

Mark, No problem with the resonance. It’s the neutrons that are the problem.

What the Swedes should know, but apparently do not fully appreciate, is that 
neutrons simply cannot be involved as a modality in LENR, since there is no 
induced radioactivity. It is as simple as that. In fact, their theory is almost 
an embarrassment.

 

Neutrons are insidious and difficult to contain. Even at the lowest energy 
(ultra-cold), neutrons will eventually activate almost everything they come in 
contact with. The good news would be – this activation should serve as instant 
proof of LENR when it happens, but the bad news is that it never happens.

Most of the mass of the Hot Cat is the element aluminum – in the form of 
alumina ceramic. Neutron activation of aluminum occurs by numerous neutron 
capture reactions and the cross-section is substantial for thermal neutrons 
(few barns) and gets higher with colder neutrons. Such reactions as 27Al + n = 
28Al, 27Al(n,a) 24Na, 27Al(n,2n)26Al and 27Al(n,p)27Mg show up at once.

Even if by some miracle, only one neutron out of a million diffuses to the tube 
wall - these insidious little bastards would activate the alumina into a 
radioactive health hazard within minutes of excess heat showing up. The excited 
states following activation will undergo beta decay over protracted time 
periods and emit gammas as the nuclei de-excite to their respective ground 
states. Radioactivity would continue for months. 

Since this does not happen, we can be almost certain that neutrons are not 
involved in the Hot Cat operation.

RE: [Vo]:Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Looked at the comment section and seriously, don’t people read… a few comments 
dismissed the theory, asking how an EM force could affect neutrons since they 
have no charge?  From Mats article:

 

“Ponderomotive forces derive from the electrical part of oscillating 
electromagnetic fields, and act on all particles, bodies or plasmas. They are 
all characterized by a transfer of electromagnetic energy and momentum to 
charged or non-charged particles. One of them, the gradient force, works 
independently of the sign of charges.”

 

-mark

 

From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 8:14 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

 

It looks to me like Mats scooped all the other news outlets.  Good work Mats.

 

The paper is quite good and understandable.  Neutron spallation and slow 
neutron transmutation stimulated by a an electric field gradient (maybe across 
a surface) at a certain resonance.  Lots  of parameters that can be engineered. 
  Seems to fit Rossi’s conditions well.

 

Bob Cook

 

From: Mats Lewan   

Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 2:50 AM

To: mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Subject: [Vo]:Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

 

Essentially no new physics but a little-known physical effect describing 
matter’s interaction with electromagnetic fields — ponderomotive Miller forces 
— would explain energy release and isotopic changes in LENR. This is what 
Rickard Lundin and Hans Lidgren, two top level Swedish scientists, claim, 
describing their theory in a paper called Nuclear Spallation and Neutron 
Capture Induced by Ponderomotive Wave Forcing ( 
 full 
length paper here) that will be presented on Friday, October 16, at the  
 11th International Workshop on Anomalies in 

Hydrogen Loaded Metals, hosted by Airbus in Toulouse, France.

 

Read more here:

 

http://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/10/15/swedish-scientists-claim-lenr-explanation-break-through/



Mats

www.animpossibleinvention.com

 

 

 

RE: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Bob/FrankZ,

I remember seeing a phrase which stated acoustic resonance or something 
similar, but cannot find it.  You mention sonic resonances…

Wouldn’t it be a real kicker if this agrees with Frank Z’s ‘frequency of sound 
in the nucleus’???

 

Frank, care to comment???

 

-mark

 

From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:14 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

 

The paper seems to have all bases covered except the experience of 
“life-after-death.”  It was not clear how the resonant conditions are 
maintained by the conditions created by the mechanism proposed.   It seems that 
there must be some “ringing” of the lattice of Ni or some sound reflection that 
keeps the reaction going.  This is suggested by the idea the authors present 
that calculation of sonic resonances may be an easy way to determine the 
appropriate resonances to start the reaction.  It would seem that nano 
particles of Ni may not resonate for a very long time.  However, the size may 
also keep the reaction from getting out of hand.  Thus the small size of the Ni 
powder is important to prevent run-away reactions.  

 

Bob Cook

 

From: Bob Cook   

Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 8:14 AM

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: [Vo]:Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

 

It looks to me like Mats scooped all the other news outlets.  Good work Mats.

 

The paper is quite good and understandable.  Neutron spallation and slow 
neutron transmutation stimulated by a an electric field gradient (maybe across 
a surface) at a certain resonance.  Lots  of parameters that can be engineered. 
  Seems to fit Rossi’s conditions well.

 

Bob Cook

 

From: Mats Lewan   

Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 2:50 AM

To: mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Subject: [Vo]:Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

 

Essentially no new physics but a little-known physical effect describing 
matter’s interaction with electromagnetic fields — ponderomotive Miller forces 
— would explain energy release and isotopic changes in LENR. This is what 
Rickard Lundin and Hans Lidgren, two top level Swedish scientists, claim, 
describing their theory in a paper called Nuclear Spallation and Neutron 
Capture Induced by Ponderomotive Wave Forcing ( 
 full 
length paper here) that will be presented on Friday, October 16, at the  
 11th International Workshop on Anomalies in 

Hydrogen Loaded Metals, hosted by Airbus in Toulouse, France.

 

Read more here:

 

http://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/10/15/swedish-scientists-claim-lenr-explanation-break-through/



Mats

www.animpossibleinvention.com

 

 

 

RE: [Vo]:Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

I posted a ref from physorg on Tue 10/6/2015 4:10 PM…

https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg104970.html

It involves a new observation about resonance which might tie in with the 
Swede’s paper...

-mark

 

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:47 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

 

FWIW: Before pinning a medal on these guys, I want to present a contrary 
opinion. 

 

There is no scoop here. Unless it is BS which is being scooped.

 

The theory looks a lot like a mashup of W-L cold neutrons and Hagelstein’s 
neutron hopping, neither of which have a shread of physical evidence. The do 
not show neutron activation which needs to be shown for any such theory to 
work. They accept the flawed Lugano report as accurate and apparently do not 
have an accurate understanding of nuclear spallation.

 

In short – this looks like a rather poor effort to me.

 

From: Bob Cook 

 

It looks to me like Mats scooped all the other news outlets.  Good work Mats.

 

The paper is quite good and understandable.  Neutron spallation and slow 
neutron transmutation stimulated by a an electric field gradient (maybe across 
a surface) at a certain resonance.  Lots  of parameters that can be engineered. 
  Seems to fit Rossi’s conditions well.

 

Bob Cook

 

From: Mats Lewan   

Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 2:50 AM

To: mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Subject: [Vo]:Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through

 

Essentially no new physics but a little-known physical effect describing 
matter’s interaction with electromagnetic fields — ponderomotive Miller forces 
— would explain energy release and isotopic changes in LENR. This is what 
Rickard Lundin and Hans Lidgren, two top level Swedish scientists, claim, 
describing their theory in a paper called Nuclear Spallation and Neutron 
Capture Induced by Ponderomotive Wave Forcing ( 
 full 
length paper here) that will be presented on Friday, October 16, at the  
 11th International Workshop on Anomalies in 

Hydrogen Loaded Metals, hosted by Airbus in Toulouse, France.

 

Read more here:

 

http://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/10/15/swedish-scientists-claim-lenr-explanation-break-through/

Mats

www.animpossibleinvention.com

 

 

 

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Good morning Lennart,

Thank you for clarifying a few points… I do agree that most of the political 
party platforms are more or less lip service to attract various categories of 
voters… the goal is just to get reelected and become the majority party… there 
is no compromise anymore.  I think the voters are fed up with the BS, and 
that’s why the non-politicians, the ‘outsiders’, are leading all the polls on 
the Repub side… oh, and yes, I *too* think that the spell checkers are a bit 
lacking in intuiting what I write!  But you should be able to disable the spell 
checker, at least in Windows/MS-Office you can… 

 

RE: noninvasive glucose

I’ll follow-up with you via email…


BR,

-mark

 

From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 8:21 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying 
the 2016 presidential race

 

Hello Mark,

First I am glad you have been able to find some funding. Since we talked I 
learnt a bit more about diabetes. 

Would be interesting to hear more about what is going on.

 Back to politics. Just to declare it seems like you and I can agree about what 
makes sense in the programs presented by the parties. I am a little cynical in 
the regard that I believe that it is all lip-service. I do not think the 
political machinery has an agenda - just polemic which they will sell to the 
next lobbyist they meet for a free lunch.

When I said that I assume that you too have reservations to the party line I 
was just being polite not stating that I was sure that was your opinion. I read 
(between the lines) that you had such reservations but did not want to come 
across as some kind of judge. Then we have the darn spellcheck it accepts 'to' 
when I mean 'too':) I need a better spell check") I need one, which will say 
'this makes no sense':)

Then about the identification matter. I try to say that the parties has a 
program assembled from polls and strategists thinking out a way to attract 
votes without making too much of a commitment. I do not think that one single 
person has believes that are totally congruent with the party position. The 
consequence of that is that we have some kind of average thoughts named D and 
another set named R. Of course they are basically the same. They have the same 
goals. BTW that is not the goals of us the voters.

I hope I explained myself - otherwise I am happy to add on. 

 




Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

 

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com 

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

 

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to 
excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

 

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:49 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> wrote:

Hi Lennart:

Appreciate the comments/thots about campaign financing… and I think Steven and 
I are on the same page when it comes to that… too much $ to BOTH parties.  I 
also agree that the entire campaign process is antiquated.  200 years ago it 
took a few weeks for information to ‘gallop’ across the US, and a month to 
‘sail’ across the Atlantic.  Today, it gets across the *world* in a matter of 
*seconds*… I would be just fine with abolishing the political party system.  
But even with a new campaign process with numerous debates, and getting the $ 
out of it as well, many candidates will still say what they know you want to 
hear to get your vote, because they seek the power that those positions give 
them.

 

RE: your comment…

“Steven at least has said that he does have reservations with some democratic 
ideas. I think you Mark have to ( sorry for assuming but…).

 

To clarify, I do not strongly identify with either of the two major political 
parties… As I stated, I’m more socially liberal, and fiscally conservative.  
Does that not imply that I have reservations about the political ideals within 
each party?  I’m not sure I understand… 

 

You state, “I think you Mark have to…”   I have to what???  Complete the 
thought… 

 

“I cannot imagine there is anyone person who would identify his believes with 
either party.”

Can you please clarify???

 

B Well,

-mark 

 

From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying 
the 2016 presidential race

 

Mark and Steven,

I think you both miss the point. 'You think the dollars spent on election 
campaigns are a non-issue.

I think it is terrible to spend money to be informed of two candidates with 
almost the same agenda. Yes we spend money - if nothing else we talk about tax 
free contributions.

More important. Back in times when the candidates had to travel by train and 
speak to small groups from the last cars platform there was no other way to 
bring the message out. Today we have the inte

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Steven… 

Again, appreciate you’re reading/responding… and I apologize for missing my 
first use of ‘rant’.  I stand corrected… 

And please don’t let this exchange dissuade you from venting… you always follow 
protocol and label them OT.  And I will very likely read them… you are an 
intelligent, inquisitive being and write well… you being retired now, 
perceptions probably aren’t much of a concern, but for those who are not, and 
with the ease with which writings propagate on the net, perception can be 
crucial is one’s career and interaction with others.

 

Yes, movin’ on, and with some biggies now into LENR (Airbus, etc.) the genie is 
pretty much out of the bottle… this has caused the theoretical  types to ponder 
what QM has to say about the mechanism, and we are seeing more theoretical 
papers… that’s definitely a good thing.

Funny you should mention spock/ST… of the main characters in the original 
series, is he your fav?  He and LtCmdr Data from STTNG are mine.  If they were 
running the govt we’d be much better off!! J  Of course, if one includes 
ST-Voyager in the mix, then all bets are off and 7-of-9 is on top!!! ;-)  In my 
dreams… LoL. 

 

Thank you for the well-wishes on the glucose tech… it’s been a *very* long 
struggle;  I first got involved in 1993… I am very thankful that someone a bit 
younger has picked up the torch!  Keep up with the orbital mech studies… who 
knows, like ChemE, you just might have a thing or two to teach the ‘experts’.

 

Honey Do lists are important!  I have two items on the latest one, and they are 
a nice diversion and get me up and away from the computer…

 

Best always, and enjoy your retirement…

-mark

PS, let’s hope that whoever gets elected in Wisconsin, they will at least be 
*fiscally* conservative so as not to bankrupt the state so your retirement 
checks don’t turn to rubber…  ;-) Pension funds can go ‘poof’!

 

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 8:45 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying 
the 2016 presidential race

 

Hi Mark, my old nemesis. ;-)

 

Regarding the "rant" word accusation see the following link out in the Vortex 
archive:

 

https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg105057.html

 

specifically, your statement:

 

> 3- but then, what comes to mind whenever I see anything (OT) from you, is

> that it's going to be yet another rant on how evil the Christians and

> Republicans are.  

 

All I really want to say about that is: Even if you did say it, so what! I 
don't feel like holding it against you! I DO rant at times! ;-) I've also lost 
count of the many things I've said in the past to others that I've later 
regretted saying. I'm sure there will be more to come in the future. But each 
day I try my best to keep whittling it down.

 

On other matters I can understand, and will also validate, why you might feel 
that I have in a sense patronized you when I said "As for the rest, to be 
honest I’m just no longer motivated enuf to go back and explain myself.” Guilty 
as charged. But to be honest, my primary motivation was no to patronize you. I 
had a more selfish motivation. I was just tired of it all. I don't  want to go 
through the whole back-and-forth process again.

 

Let's move on. Indeed, I hope CF continues to heat up. One thing participating 
in Vortex since the 1990s has taught me is that it helps to acquire an infinite 
amount of patience.  Miracles don't happen overnight. 

 

As for you, my old nemesis... despite my best judgement I think I am growing 
fond of you. ;-)

 

Paraphrasing something Spock might say, I wish you great prosperity in securing 
adequate funding for your startup company. Instead of crossing my fingers, I'll 
simply give you a high:  \\//  Perhaps Spock would then follow his salute by 
saying, "I find it highly ironic that excess sugar intake is now responsible 
killing so many people in the developed world on your planet." So, yes, good 
luck in your endeavors. Many diabetics will truly appreciate your efforts.

 

As for me, since my retirement of last December I'm spending as much personal 
time as I can working on an on-going Kepler research project. (Analysis of 
Orbital Mechanics.) Involves a lot of computer graphics and learning Calculus 
terminology. Easier said than done. Lately I've noticed that a spate of Honey 
Do projects seem to end up getting higher priority on my to-do list. ...perhaps 
I'm rebelling against all that calculus I 'm trying to cram down my throat... 
er, head.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Steven,

Thanks for providing a little further explanation.

 

I looked thru the postings and did not see where I referred to your postings
as being 'rants'. none.  I also never said it wasn't informative, only very
one-sided.  Agree that the world is full of 1-sided POVs, and I didn't have
a prob with your posting, however, for once, I happened to feel compelled to
comment and include additional data to provide a more complete view of the
overall issue.  Aside from my first sentence, did my contribution add to the
overall value of that topic???  Did it further inform anyone who bothered to
read it?  At least one did. Lennart! J  He must be bored!!

 

If we go back 4  to 6 years, you've made quite a number of OT postings about
the evil repubs in your state of Wisconsin. and that's perfectly fine!  I
even started to read most of them when they appeared.  I don't care if you
want to spend your time doing that. and certainly didn't try to dissuade
you.   This one time I happened to feel like commenting on it.  Sorry, next
time I'll try to start my 2 cent posting in a more benign manner.

 

"As for the rest, to be honest I'm just no longer motivated enuf to go back
and explain myself."

I may be weird, but given all that we've expressed on this, that statement
seems to say, "I know I'm right and not interested in entertaining other
opinions or trying to understand where the other person is coming from."  It
assumes that there was no validity whatsoever to my explanation as to how my
impression of all your angry-at-GovWalker-Repubs political postings led me
to perhaps phrase it the way I did. now who's being patronizing???  OK, you
got me back. 

 

RE: your OT postings over the years about political/work-related
tribulations.

You say first impressions count!  And I agree. however, perceptions are as
important, if not more so.  I sincerely don't think you realize that posting
such strong, angry, postings on a public forum causes people to develop a
perception of who you are. and don't you think that that influences them
when they go to interact with you??  It most certainly does!  Any
politician/manager/leader will tell you perception is everything; not that I
agree with that entirely, but it is a very important aspect to how people
treat you; at least, until they interact enough to know you on a more
personal level.

 

I wish I had more time to participate in the Vort sand box. things are
definitely heating up in LENR-land. finally!!  Unfortunately, I'm busy with
getting the noninvasive glucose tech restarted.  Have inked a deal with a
gent in the Bay Area who has raised some seed $ for a validation study. keep
fingers crossed that we can get series-A funding, and if the validation
study results are as good as the preclinicals, then I know we won't have any
trouble raising what we need. diabetics have been hoping for 30 years for a
truly painless glucometer. I am doing what I can to make that happen.

 

B Well,

-mark

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:06 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is
buying the 2016 presidential race

 

Mark,

 

I'm impressed by your earnestness in wanting to get clarification. I'll just
focus on one exchange. What motivated me to go on the offensive, so to
speak, was the first comment you made, which was:

 

> The NYT article is so blatantly one-sided, but of course, you know that...

> at least, I hope you do.

 

As the old say'in goes: First impressions count.

 

Granted, it may not have been your intention to do so but that was a
patronizing thing to say to anyone. So what if it's a one-sided article. So
what if I posted that "one-side" article out to Vort Land. The world if full
of one-sided POVs, and inevitably someone's one-sided POV (or article) is
not going to align with one's personal stash of approved POVs. That doesn't
make that so-called one-sided POV any less informative.

 

As for the rest, to be honest I'm just no longer motivated enuf to go back
and explain myself. Based on other comments you made I get the impression
much of anything else I might say pertaining to the political arena would be
interpreted as yet another leftist "rant" coming from me. You did call some
of my prior comments "rants". But, enuf of interpreting my POVs. Let me put
it another way. maybe you were more accurate than I was on some of the
points you were trying to make, and perhaps I was more accurate on some of
the other points. As for me, I would prefer to find common ground on what we
can agree on rather than what we disagree on. Energy tends to be expended
more efficiently when we work in a sand box of common ground.

 

So, c u back in the Vort Sand box. Perhaps the next time we connect will end
up on the same side.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Hi Lennart:

Appreciate the comments/thots about campaign financing… and I think Steven and 
I are on the same page when it comes to that… too much $ to BOTH parties.  I 
also agree that the entire campaign process is antiquated.  200 years ago it 
took a few weeks for information to ‘gallop’ across the US, and a month to 
‘sail’ across the Atlantic.  Today, it gets across the *world* in a matter of 
*seconds*… I would be just fine with abolishing the political party system.  
But even with a new campaign process with numerous debates, and getting the $ 
out of it as well, many candidates will still say what they know you want to 
hear to get your vote, because they seek the power that those positions give 
them.

 

RE: your comment…

“Steven at least has said that he does have reservations with some democratic 
ideas. I think you Mark have to ( sorry for assuming but…).

 

To clarify, I do not strongly identify with either of the two major political 
parties… As I stated, I’m more socially liberal, and fiscally conservative.  
Does that not imply that I have reservations about the political ideals within 
each party?  I’m not sure I understand… 

 

You state, “I think you Mark have to…”   I have to what???  Complete the 
thought… 

 

“I cannot imagine there is anyone person who would identify his believes with 
either party.”

Can you please clarify???

 

B Well,

-mark 

 

From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 9:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying 
the 2016 presidential race

 

Mark and Steven,

I think you both miss the point. 'You think the dollars spent on election 
campaigns are a non-issue.

I think it is terrible to spend money to be informed of two candidates with 
almost the same agenda. Yes we spend money - if nothing else we talk about tax 
free contributions.

More important. Back in times when the candidates had to travel by train and 
speak to small groups from the last cars platform there was no other way to 
bring the message out. Today we have the internet and we have ways to 
communicate like Youtube, GoToMeeting etc. We would be better off having a 
group of highly qualified experts providing us the information and then we 
could take our positions as a person. I know you are going to say that there 
are too many new laws and we would all be sitting there trying to decide what 
to say or the votes would be poorly based (just like today). I think that by 
bringing most decision to a local level and limit the number of new laws 
(having limited number of experts), would make it work.

Steven at least has said that he does have reservations with some democratic 
ideas. I think you Mark have to ( sorry for assuming but . . ). I cannot 
imagine there is anyone person who would identify his believes with either 
party.

As an example on my ballot locally it gives me expert analysis saying how it 
will impact cost and how it will impact future security, health care or  . . .. 
Even if I am not so well informed about the details I can make up my mind about 
what I think would be better.

In my opinion you are on the same side Mark and Steven. On the easy side:) Or 
go with the flow.




Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

 

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com 

lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

 

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to 
excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

 

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
 wrote:

Mark,

 

I'm impressed by your earnestness in wanting to get clarification. I’ll just 
focus on one exchange. What motivated me to go on the offensive, so to speak, 
was the first comment you made, which was:

 

> The NYT article is so blatantly one-sided, but of course, you know that...

> at least, I hope you do.

 

As the old say'in goes: First impressions count.

 

Granted, it may not have been your intention to do so but that was a 
patronizing thing to say to anyone. So what if it’s a one-sided article. So 
what if I posted that “one-side” article out to Vort Land. The world if full of 
one-sided POVs, and inevitably someone’s one-sided POV (or article) is not 
going to align with one’s personal stash of approved POVs. That doesn’t make 
that so-called one-sided POV any less informative.

 

As for the rest, to be honest I’m just no longer motivated enuf to go back and 
explain myself. Based on other comments you made I get the impression much of 
anything else I might say pertaining to the political arena would be 
interpreted as yet another leftist “rant” coming from me. You did call some of 
my prior comments “rants”. But, enuf of interpreting my POVs. Let me put it 
another way… maybe you were more accurate than I was on some of the points you 
were trying to make, and perhaps I 

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Hi Steven,

 

I wrote:

>> The NYT article is so blatantly one-sided, but of course, you know
that...

>> at least, I hope you do.

 

To which you replied:

>It's been my experience that when someone feigns praise upon another
person's alleged intelligence but then immediately turns around >and
questions whether the praise they had just endorsed was truly warranted -
that is nothing more than a covert way of implying that >the person they
have a disagreement with is not only ignorant, they also want that person to
feel stupid about their own alleged ignorance.

 

What person-A writes about person-B is very much dependent on person-A's
observations about person-B, and vice versa. It is also colored by each
others' past.  I can only explain what was going thru my mind as I wrote
that; how you interpret it is obviously different. Here is what was going
thru my mind.

1- you are an intelligent being, as is obvious to anyone who follows this
forum. and we both have for many, many years. 

2- the ease with which one can now quickly search for and read different
views on any topic is certainly known to you, especially since  you have
IT/computer expertise.  I think most adults our age know by now that print
and television media are heavily biased to the left, while talk radio is
biased heavily to the right.  Thus, the first half of my statement.

 

3- but then, what comes to mind whenever I see anything (OT) from you, is
that it's going to be yet another rant on how evil the Christians and
Republicans are.  you must admit, of all the members of this forum, I
believe you are the one who has, by far, pontificated at length about
political/religious issues; I don't think I've ever seen criticism from you
directed at the Dems. That was the impetus for the second part of my
statement.

 

RE: the remainder of your response which expresses great concern over not so
much the amount of $, but not knowing who/where that money is coming from.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!!  with one minor correction.

It is my understanding that that only applies to what are now called
'superPACs'. contributions directly to the candidate's 'official' campaign
are public record.  And what do we see since CU v FEC?  A lot more $ going
into campaigns indirectly (via SuperPACs) vs directly.

 

Here are two pages from a website which shows the top 100 INDIVIDUALS and
top 100 organizations who contributed to campaigns:

https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topindivs.php

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

 

Red or blue vertical bars on left side of the lists indicates what party was
favored, Repubs (red) or Dems (blue).

It is pretty clear that there are more Repubs (red) in the 'Individual' list
and many more Dems (blue) in the 'organization' list. no surprise there!

 

Can't remember who it was that suggested that for major federal elections,
there could be no campaign contributions and that each candidate would be
given so much $ by the govt and they had to get by with that. would
certainly weed out the astute candidates from the bunch!  Too bad that
politician who proposed this reform didn't win. I think it might have
eliminated most of the problem.

 

RE: your question, "How did corporations become people?"

That one's easy. Instead of typing in the text from my copy of Black's Law
Dictionary, here are the legal definitions for person, artificial person and
natural person:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfGCjfOsB1E

 

The reason why business entities were referred to as 'persons' was to
obfuscate just who the laws pertained to. to make those not originally
liable (most natural persons) believe they were liable for paying certain
taxes. This was done in the early 1900s when the whole idea of an income tax
came into existence and was challenged in the courts.

 

RE: "In the years to come as we now go about the process of vetting the next
leader of the free world, doesn't the lack of accountability of where all
that unleashed money will come from and what it is going to be spent on
concern you just a teensy weeny little bit?"

 

Yes, it most certainly does concern me. and yes, I do follow the money,
REGARDLESS of which party is flows to.

Best Always,

-mark

 

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 6:33 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is
buying the 2016 presidential race

 

Hi Mark,

 

> The NYT article is so blatantly one-sided, but of course, you know that...

> at least, I hope you do.

 

It's been my experience that when someone feigns praise upon another
person's alleged intelligence but then immediately turns around and
questions whether the praise they had just endorsed was truly warranted -
that is nothing more than a covert way of implying that the person they have
a disagreement with is not only ignorant, they also want that person to feel
stupid about their own alleged ignorance.

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Good morning Steven,

 

I think you are referring to this statement of mine:

". I believe you are the one who has, by far, pontificated at length about
political/religious issues;"

 

That is the only reference I made which you could interpret as referring to
a 'rant' (your term, not mine).  It was NOT a reference to something in your
original email, but to a history of having to vent on this forum as to your
OT postings you've done over the years about your disagreements with
Wisconsin politics.  Could that be the reason behind why I wrote what I did?
You imply there was some derogatory or hurtful meaning in my original
response to your posting, and I was trying to provide an explanation as to
why that was not the case.  I was simply trying to explain to you why I
expressed my thoughts the way I did. that's all.

 

I did read the article you linked to, and feel it's of interest to all
concerned about events in this country. we do agree on that.  

When you write things like this,

"Do the links I submit for the Vort Collective's consumption scare you that
much?"

Is it any wonder why someone might respond the way they do?? You are
concluding that I'm scared by some article you posted. how in the world do
you conclude that?  Just because I try to point out to the forum that one
has to read multiple sources to get a total picture of a given issue is NOT
an indication that one is scared.  Don't paint me as being something I'm
not. 

 

I tend to be more socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

 

"At least we can agree on the fact that PACs are not necessarily a good
thing for our political system. If you feel close, though not necessarily
exactly the same way as I may feel about them, I'm content to leave it at
that."

Agreed!

 

B Well Always,

-mark

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:53 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is
buying the 2016 presidential race

 

Hi Mark,

 

I must ask: where was the alleged "rant" in my original post? I pointed to a
link that showed some interesting graphics about where political money is
coming from. In your mind, does pointing to a link now constitute another
"rant" coming from me? Do the links I submit for the Vort Collective's
consumption scare you that much? Ok.so you disagree with those findings, and
perhaps you also disagree with some of my expressed liberal tendencies. I
can live with that. But another link supplied by me now constitutes another
"rant"?

 

It seems to me that you show your conservative colors just as much as paint
me to be a liberal. But yes, I believe you have outed me. It would appear
these days that I possess liberalistic tendencies, which perhaps from a
ultra-conservative's POV would imply I must be a bleating hearted liberal
democrat whose primary concern is to make sure that subversive gays and
lesbians get the same insurance protections as some god fearing homophobic
Christians believe they should own exclusive rights to today. Be damned
about the economy. Let's just print up more money to pay for all those needy
welfare queens - and be damned about the economy After all, Brad must be
able to marry Bart if I'm going to be able to sleep tonight! 

 

But that would be misleading. I used to be a republican. I must confess: I
voted for Reagan. Back in the 1980s it was during the reign of Reagan that I
was forced to witness to my absolute dismay what was happening to the
republican party as staunch ultra conservatives and religious factions
slowly and methodically started to infest what used to be a more reasonable
oriented centrist party philosophy - a party that was still willing to
negotiate with the enemy in order to get things done. Over the decades it's
only gotten worse. 

 

FWIW, and just to set the record straight, I'm not necessarily happy with a
lot of democratic positions taken today. However, I do seem to possess far
more criticisms aimed against ultra conservative factions than against the
so-called liberal democratic platform. It's a matter of prioritization. The
squeakiest wheel tends to get the most oiling. I'm also try to be pragmatic.
Just so you know, I'd prefer B. Sanders (a decades in the making battle
worthy candidate), but I try to be realistic in accepting the fact that
Hillary, warts and all, will most likely be the democratic pick. It seems to
me that none of us get out of this mess without at some time feeling just a
tad like a prostitute.

 

At least we can agree on the fact that PACs are not necessarily a good thing
for our political system. If you feel close, though not necessarily exactly
the same way as I may feel about them, I'm content to leave it at that.

 

The continuing debate over what constitutes an artificial person in
corporate land is no doubt a protracted discussion that should be left for
another time and date when CF news becomes temporarily lean. 

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Steven

Please explain this statement.

"To repeat myself, to endlessly reinterpret what I have said before lies
madness. I'm content to leave my "rants" as-is."

I honestly do not know why you said this. and if I'm not able to communicate
my point of view clearly, then perhaps this is an opportunity to learn.  Can
you show me what I said to make you think I was reinterpreting what you
wrote, or that I was somehow asking you to change your OT postings? 

-mark

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 3:22 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is
buying the 2016 presidential race

 

Hello again Mark,

 

I stand by what I have said before. To repeat myself, to endlessly
reinterpret what I have said before lies madness. I'm content to leave my
"rants" as-is.

 

It's probably time to close up shop on this particular discussion. 

 

At least we seem to agree on the fact that something must be done about
PACs. If we had both had been elected officials serving our respective
constituents I have the feeling that you and I together would try to find
common ground in order to move forward. Granted it might be difficult at
times, but if we remain capable of acknowledging to each other the fact that
we both ended up having to sacrifice certain principals dear to our hearts
in equal proportions... messy as democracy is, things tend to get done.

 

I wish someone was capable of explaining that very messy principle to the
Tea Party. IMO, not being capable of understanding what compromise is all
about... that also leads to madness.

 

B'well back.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 1:21 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is
buying the 2016 presidential race

 

Good morning Steven,

 

I think you are referring to this statement of mine:

". I believe you are the one who has, by far, pontificated at length about
political/religious issues;"

 

That is the only reference I made which you could interpret as referring to
a 'rant' (your term, not mine).  It was NOT a reference to something in your
original email, but to a history of having to vent on this forum as to your
OT postings you've done over the years about your disagreements with
Wisconsin politics.  Could that be the reason behind why I wrote what I did?
You imply there was some derogatory or hurtful meaning in my original
response to your posting, and I was trying to provide an explanation as to
why that was not the case.  I was simply trying to explain to you why I
expressed my thoughts the way I did. that's all.

 

I did read the article you linked to, and feel it's of interest to all
concerned about events in this country. we do agree on that.  

When you write things like this,

"Do the links I submit for the Vort Collective's consumption scare you that
much?"

Is it any wonder why someone might respond the way they do?? You are
concluding that I'm scared by some article you posted. how in the world do
you conclude that?  Just because I try to point out to the forum that one
has to read multiple sources to get a total picture of a given issue is NOT
an indication that one is scared.  Don't paint me as being something I'm
not. 

 

I tend to be more socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

 

"At least we can agree on the fact that PACs are not necessarily a good
thing for our political system. If you feel close, though not necessarily
exactly the same way as I may feel about them, I'm content to leave it at
that."

Agreed!

 

B Well Always,

-mark

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:53 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is
buying the 2016 presidential race

 

Hi Mark,

 

I must ask: where was the alleged "rant" in my original post? I pointed to a
link that showed some interesting graphics about where political money is
coming from. In your mind, does pointing to a link now constitute another
"rant" coming from me? Do the links I submit for the Vort Collective's
consumption scare you that much? Ok.so you disagree with those findings, and
perhaps you also disagree with some of my expressed liberal tendencies. I
can live with that. But another link supplied by me now constitutes another
"rant"?

 

It seems to me that you show your conservative colors just as much as paint
me to be a liberal. But yes, I believe you have outed me. It would appear
these days that I possess liberalistic tendencies, which perhaps from a
ultra-conservative's POV would imply I must be a bleating hearted liberal
democrat whos

RE: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying the 2016 presidential race

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Steven, 
The NYT article is so blatantly one-sided, but of course, you know that...
at least, I hope you do.

The internet makes it so easy to read multiple and diverse sources in order
to be better informed...

When one looks at the TOTAL picture of campaign finance, there is NO
significant difference... bottom line from last presidential election:

Romney's campaign spent $433.3 million in 2012, while outside groups and the
Republican Party helped push the GOP's 2012 presidential total to $1.24
billion, according to Federal Election Commission filings from the Center
for Responsive Politics.

Obama's reelection campaign spent $683.5 million, with the Democratic Party
and outside groups pushing the total to $1.1 billion, according to FEC
filings.
---

So for the 2012 election:
- Repubs $1.24B
- Dems   $1.1 B

The Repubs raised less than 10% more than the Dems, and it didn't win them
the election, so like I said, the is NO significant difference when one
looks at the total picture. If the NYT were to look at funding by trade
unions and other pro-gov groups, the Dems would be 'buying the election'.
 
-mark iverson

-Original Message-
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 9:25 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:OT: Interesting interactive graphics depicting who is buying
the 2016 presidential race

>From NY Times. Enjoy!

158 Families Make Up Half of 2016 Election Funding

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/11/us/politics/2016-presidential-
election-super-pac-donors.html?hp=click=Homepage=photo-
spot-region=top-news=top-news&_r=1

http://tinyurl.com/n9u26t6

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
OrionWorks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:LENR theory

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

I'm surprised that this article has not been commented on yet...

We now have a PhD condensed matter physicist at NRL validating, unequivocally, 
a LENR effect, and that they have also established theoretical basis; their DFT 
simulations agree with empirical results.

“The Naval Research Labs (NRL) ran over 300 experiments using pure Pd cathodes, 
all of them yielding negative results. Then somebody suggested that NRL should 
try an alloy of 90% Pd and 10% Rh. The very first such alloy cathode they tried 
yielded over 10,000 Joules of excess thermal energy – all from less than 1 gram 
of cathode material. I ran Density Functional Theory simulations on that alloy, 
and it, too, satisfies all the conditions given above, while pure Pd and pure 
Rh do not.

NRL christened this cathode with the name Eve, after the obvious Biblical 
analogy. I’m pleased to share the news that Eve had a number of “sisters” who 
produced equal and even greater excess thermal energy, among a number of other 
more interesting effects. Finally, I can observe that the materials simulations 
now make it fairly easy to evaluate any given solid lattice material and 
estimate its level of LENR activity. We have good correlations between the 
simulation results and the known levels of experimentally-determined LENR 
activity in a number of different alloys whose dominant elements come from the 
Transition Metal Group of the Periodic Table. Hopefully, we will be able to get 
all the details of this material released for publication to the general public 
over the next few weeks.”

The article also gives the mainstream physics community an out on how they 
treated LENR... up to now anyway.
-Mark Iverson

-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:09 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:LENR theory

I sent this  information directly to Vortex but it never appeared.
Now you can see it here. 
http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/06/louis-dechario-of-us-naval-sea-systems-command-navsea-on-replicating-pons-and-fleischmann/

RE: [Vo]:LENR theory

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Oh, this statement is a real teaser...
" a number of “sisters” who produced equal and even greater excess thermal 
energy, among a number of other more interesting effects."

"... a number of more interesting effects."
What could be MORE interesting than excess heat/low energy nuclear reactions??? 
 Could he be referring to the fact that there are no energetic radiations... 
but that is like common knowledge in this field, so not all that interesting to 
those following the field.  So what could be more interesting???
Enquiring minds want to know...
:-)
-mark iverson

-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:44 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:LENR theory

I'm surprised that this article has not been commented on yet...

We now have a PhD condensed matter physicist at NRL validating, unequivocally, 
a LENR effect, and that they have also established theoretical basis; their DFT 
simulations agree with empirical results.

“The Naval Research Labs (NRL) ran over 300 experiments using pure Pd cathodes, 
all of them yielding negative results. Then somebody suggested that NRL should 
try an alloy of 90% Pd and 10% Rh. The very first such alloy cathode they tried 
yielded over 10,000 Joules of excess thermal energy – all from less than 1 gram 
of cathode material. I ran Density Functional Theory simulations on that alloy, 
and it, too, satisfies all the conditions given above, while pure Pd and pure 
Rh do not.

NRL christened this cathode with the name Eve, after the obvious Biblical 
analogy. I’m pleased to share the news that Eve had a number of “sisters” who 
produced equal and even greater excess thermal energy, among a number of other 
more interesting effects. Finally, I can observe that the materials simulations 
now make it fairly easy to evaluate any given solid lattice material and 
estimate its level of LENR activity. We have good correlations between the 
simulation results and the known levels of experimentally-determined LENR 
activity in a number of different alloys whose dominant elements come from the 
Transition Metal Group of the Periodic Table. Hopefully, we will be able to get 
all the details of this material released for publication to the general public 
over the next few weeks.”

The article also gives the mainstream physics community an out on how they 
treated LENR... up to now anyway.
-Mark Iverson

-Original Message-
From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:09 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:LENR theory

I sent this  information directly to Vortex but it never appeared.
Now you can see it here. 
http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/06/louis-dechario-of-us-naval-sea-systems-command-navsea-on-replicating-pons-and-fleischmann/

[Vo]:Of Magic and Mainstream physics...

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Fellow Vorts:

 

I've been harping on the importance of resonance in producing anomalous
behaviors in atomic physics which contradict established theory.

Turns out that there may be another specific condition which may also have
to be considered. when 'midway' between two values which exactly cancel.  

   "the magic wavelength happens to be in between two excited states of the
atom, so they 'magically' cancel each other out"

 

Reference below.

 

 

http://phys.org/news/2015-10-laser-wielding-physicists-seize-atoms-behavior.
html

 

In Chin's lab,   cesium atoms replace
the billiard balls, and ordinarily they repel each other when they collide.
But by turning up the laser while operating at a "magic" wavelength, Clark
showed that the repulsion between atoms can be converted into attraction.

 

"The atoms exhibit fascinating behavior in this system," he said. By
exposing different parts of the sample to different laser intensities, "We
can choose to make the atoms attract or repel each other, or pass right
through each other without colliding."

 

Alternatively, by oscillating their interactions, analogous to making the
billiard balls rapidly grow and shrink while they roll, the atoms stick to
each other in pairs.

 

The researchers explained two fundamental ways that lasers influence the
atomic motion. One is to create potentials, like a bump or valley on the
billiard table, proportional to laser intensity. The new way is to alter how
billiard balls collide.  "We want our laser to control collisions, but we
don't want it to create any hills or valleys," Clark said. When the laser is
tuned to a "magic wavelength," the beam creates no hills or valleys, but
only affects collisions.  "This is because the magic wavelength happens to
be in between two excited states of the atom, so they 'magically' cancel
each other out," he said.

 

I leave it to the Vort Collective to determine if this concept might be
operating in LENR.

 

-mark iverson

 

[Vo]:5-Million-Degree Plasma 'Tornado' Rages on the Sun (Video)

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Latest from the Solar Dynamics Observatory:

http://www.space.com/30498-solar-tornado-nasa-sdo-video.html

 

That's one helluva dust-devil!

-mark

RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Jones wrote:  It's called pair production and is well-known but requires
high energy.

Correction to the statement,  . requires high energy.

ONLY IF DEALING WITH THE INTERACTING ELEMENTS IN A NON-RESONANT MANNER.

If you were using a process involving resonant principles, then much lower
energy could be used. And there are a few other caveats too.

-mark iverson  

 

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 10:12 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Matter to energy, and back

 

Steven,

It's called pair production and is well-known but requires high energy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production

.photons converted to matter and vice-versa.

.kinda like, you know . dilithium crystals. J

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 

 

Does there exist any kind of natural phenomenon we currently know of that
might be capable of (under specific conditions) transforming from matter
into energy and then back into matter in a cyclically controlled fashion -
presumably with the aid of an advanced form of 21st Century technology?
Please, no 23rd century Star Trek transporter speculation need apply here...
too many extrapolations.

 

For example, I give the following crude scenario: Convert a magnetically
contained plasma toroid of spinning sub-atomic particles protons (fermions)
into photons (bosons) - and then convert the photons back into protons. Do
this cyclically and very quickly with the aid of some kind of super-duper 21
century technology.

 

I can't immediately think of such a methodology using 21st century
technology. But then... there might be few on this list who'd care to shine
some light on the matter... no pun intended.

 

Comments?

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

OrionWorks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

 

 

RE: [Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Since I was the one who initiated this thread, I feel responsible to clear 
things up… calm down and take a deep breath!

 

Dave and Stewart, you two have completely missed the point, and Dave, it is 
clear that you have not read my original post, nor any of the references.  Let 
me also say that I may be a bit of an odd-man-out in the Vort Collective since 
I have degrees in both Biology and ComputerSci, and it is understandable how 
someone without the biology background might miss the main point I was trying 
to make.  Please read the following points carefully:

 

1. the PRF (pulse-repetition-frequency) is NOT the issue or possible ‘cause’ I 
was referring to in my original post.

 

2. the references in my post show that protein reactivity CAN BE AFFECTED by 
THz EM waves IN SOLUTION, causing significant changes to ‘normal’ biochemical 
processes.  Since PROPER protein interactions are ESSENTIAL to living 
organisms, and exposure to even very low levels can cause this disruption of 
biochemical processes, it could lead to deleterious effects to the organism. 
Here is the title to one of the refs which states it very succinctly:

“Terahertz underdamped vibrational motion governs protein-ligand binding in 
solution”

Let me provide some explanation as to the significance of the wording in this 
title:

- why ‘underdamped’, and ‘in solution’?  Interaction of NON-ionizing EM waves 
with biological tissue/processes has always been thought to be HIGHLY DAMPED 
due to the high (salt) water content of biological tissues, thus, not likely to 
cause much interaction with physical elements (i.e., living cells and various 
molecules). And this is probably the case for the vast majority of EM 
frequencies.  However, it now appears that protein conformation (physical 
folding 3D shape) has evolved to be in a state of near criticality which is key 
to the proteins ability to interact with very specific other proteins or 
molecules.  The underdamped vibrations which the Thz waves cause in the 
protein, or subunits of the protein, although only lasting picoseconds, are 
enough to trigger the conformational change BEFORE the protein has a chance to 
interact with its target protein/molecule.  If this is allowed to happen on a 
continuous basis, it could have very deleterious effects on the health of the 
organism.

 

3. If even a minute amount of EM power at very high frequencies makes it to the 
depth of the coral-building organisms, there is a possibility that it would 
disrupt some aspect of their biochemical processes, leading to their 
decline/death. If the radars were only on for a few mins/hours a day, the 
organisms could probably recover, but when hit with it 24/7/365, their systems 
eventually degrade causing death.  This is a *reasonable* scenario given this 
new knowledge about how EM can affect protein interactions.  Is it the cause of 
coral and other sea-life deaths???  I don’t know, but wanted to pass it along…

 

4. Although one of the references was referring to Thz freq’s, it would be 
reasonable to assume that Ghz or lower freqs might also cause similar 
disruption to biochemical processes.

 

In looking at this thread, the fact that it got sidetracked is probably because 
most of my original text was deleted early on and Dave did not go back to read 
it…

 

-Mark Iverson

 

[Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some others
may have an interest.

 

Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link between
our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs.

 

Seems that proteins in living systems have evolved such that they are at a
'critical state', and it doesn't take much energy at the right frequency to
cause conformational changes; i.e., disruption in their tertiary structure
(physical folding of the amino acid chain). the conformational change causes
the protein to no longer function properly. this would likely have profound,
and deleterious, effects on the living organism.  Hundreds or thousands of
proteins are involved in the normal biochemical reactions taking place all
the time in any living organism. 

 

Up until recently, molecular vibrations in solution were thought to be
highly damped, but that view may not always be the case, as explained in
this layman's article: 

Proteins 'ring like bells': Quantum mechanics and biochemical reactions

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/06/140603092424.htm

 

And this is the scientific reference:

Terahertz underdamped vibrational motion governs protein-ligand binding in
solution

Nature Communications 5, Article number: 3999 doi:10.1038/ncomms4999

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140603/ncomms4999/full/ncomms4999.html

 

Stewart, I wonder if your scientific contacts studying the coral reefs dying
off are aware of this research???  Although radar is not in the THz range,
could be it contains some energy at subharmonic frequencies which do affect
proteins in the organisms which build the coral structures. radar may not
have been a problem if it wasn't operating 24/7/365.

 

And finally, another researcher I follow has been looking into the
possibility that our man-made EM radiation, which is quite extensive these
days, could also be responsible for some of the health-related issues seen
in modern society:

How Radio Waves Make You Sicker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37j2jDN8IVo

Prof. Trevor Marshall, Autoimmunity Research Foundation

 

Time to break out the tin-foil hats??? 

;-)

-mark iverson

 

RE: [Vo]:Request: info on very high (2000F) temp sensors

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Thanks Gents!

 

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 5:44 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Request: info on very high (2000F) temp sensors

 

http://www.omega.com/googlebase/product.html?pn=BARE-20-K-12
http://www.omega.com/googlebase/product.html?pn=BARE-20-K-12gclid=CICB3p-F
ncYCFQqFfgod4owAaA gclid=CICB3p-FncYCFQqFfgod4owAaA 

 

Omega is a good supplier. Not cheap but good.

 

 

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

 

Thought I'd ask the Collective if they could point me at any info on sensors
for very high temperatures (over 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit). Thanks in
Advance,

-Mark Iverson

 

[Vo]:Request: info on very high (2000F) temp sensors

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Thought I'd ask the Collective if they could point me at any info on sensors
for very high temperatures (over 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit). Thanks in
Advance,

-Mark Iverson

 

RE: [Vo]:One more article that all should read...

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Hi Jed,

 

I posted the article more in a general sense, but also thinking about what has 
gone on in the past with LENR/CF and Taleyarkin being persecuted and dealing 
with unscrupulous academics and politicians…

 

I certainly did not mean to link it to what’s being discussed in the Parkhomov 
or Jiang work…

 

-mark

 

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 3:02 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:One more article that all should read...

 

MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

 

Editors of World’s Most Prestigious Medical Journals: 

“Much of the Scientific Literature, Perhaps HALF, May Simply Be Untrue...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-01/editors-world%E2%80%99s-most-prestigious-medical-journals-%E2%80%9Cmuch-scientific-literature-perhap

 

Science education should continually reinforce the fact that integrity and 
morality are absolutely necessary for the scientific process to work…

 

Let us not confuse mistakes with immorality. There have always been many 
mistakes in the scientific literature. I do not know whether they are more 
common today than in the past, but they were there.

 

Granted, there has also always been corruption in research.

 

I believe medical research and practice has always been especially prone to 
this. In Darrell Huff's cynical little masterpiece of a book, he described a 
medical test without enough control cases. It was a test of the polio vaccine 
with 450 children vaccinated and 680 unvaccinated. After an epidemic: Not one 
of the vaccinated children contracted a recognizable case of polio. . . . 
Neither did any of the controls. . . . At the usual rate, only two cases would 
have been expected in a group this size . . . He concludes:

 

Many a great, if fleeting, medical discovery has been launched similarly. 
'Make haste,' as one physician put it, 'to use a new remedy before it is too 
late.

 

- How to Lie with Statistics (1954)

 

Quite a number of treatments and practices common 20 years ago are no longer 
recommended, such as an EKG with every annual checkup. My doctor told me it 
produces more false positives and problems than useful information.

 

- Jed

 

[Vo]:Science articles of interest...

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

FYI:

 

Are scientists finally on the brink of understanding where proton spin comes
from?

http://phys.org/news/2015-06-scientists-brink-proton.html

 

Researchers synthesize magnetic nanoparticles that could offer alternative
to rare Earth magnets

http://phys.org/news/2015-06-magnetic-nanoparticles-alternative-rare-earth.h
tml

The new material consists of nanoparticles containing iron, cobalt and
carbon atoms with a magnetic domain size of roughly 5 nanometers. It can
store information up to 790 kelvins with thermal and time-stable, long-range
magnetic order, which could have a potential impact for data storage
application. 

 

Researchers detect how light excites electrons in metal

http://phys.org/news/2015-06-electrons-metal.html

 

New tool measures the distance between phonon collisions

http://phys.org/news/2015-06-tool-distance-phonon-collisions.html

 

Hot nanostructures cool faster when they are physically close together

http://phys.org/news/2015-06-hot-nanostructures-cool-faster-physically.html

These experiments enabled the researchers to determine which
http://phys.org/tags/lattice+vibrations/ lattice vibrations carry heat
away from a hot region and also to predict new ways to engineer the cooling
rate in a material.



-mark iverson

 

[Vo]:One more article that all should read...

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Editors of World's Most Prestigious Medical Journals: 

Much of the Scientific Literature, Perhaps HALF, May Simply Be
Untrue...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-01/editors-world%E2%80%99s-most-presti
gious-medical-journals-%E2%80%9Cmuch-scientific-literature-perhap

 

Science education should continually reinforce the fact that integrity and
morality are absolutely necessary for the scientific process to work. 

 

The most important endeavor is the striving for morality in our actions.
Our inner balance and even our very existence depend on it. Only morality in
our actions can give beauty and dignity for life.

-Albert Einstein --- To Reverend C. Greenway, November 20,1950.

 

Without 'ethical culture,' there is no salvation for humanity.

-Albert Einstein---From The Need for Ethical Culture, January 5,1951.

 

-mark iverson

 

RE: [Vo]:10,000 Farads Graphene Supercapacitor

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Jones:
I've seen recent articles about success in manipulating graphene to transition 
between conductive and nonconductive states...  it being a good dielectric 
might be in the cards... and perhaps it also depends on the orientation of the 
internal E and/or B-fields.

-mark iverson

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:15 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:10,000 Farads Graphene Supercapacitor

Just checked and the EEStor site is still up. I thought they had gone under. 
http://www.eestor.us/index.html

Zenn is apparently still active as well (Canadian- so they probably went 
through another round of stock manipulation). 

Despite the UCLA connection to Sunvault and the convincing videos - there is 
too much which is unsaid in this sales pitch. It can be argued that it is 
trickery to promote any capacitor design as graphene since the important 
thing for ultra-capacitance is the dielectric, no? Graphene is a conductor, so 
what is the dielectric being used with the graphene? Please do not say: 
modified barium titanate.

Obviously, graphene gets a lot of good press - graphene fever is kinda like 
nano fever of 5 years ago and hydrogen fuel-cell fever before that (Ballard 
still survives). The pump-and-dumpers of BC are on track to reinvent that same 
investment fever. 

EEStor at least did have testable material. Never mind that in a rear-ender, a 
high voltage ultracapacitor could be the equivalent of a rather formidable 
bombe, as the inspector would say. Yet --- to put this story into perspective 
... recently mentioned here on Vo was the so-called megafarad cap ... isn't 
that one positioned to be a two orders of magnitude bigger bombe? (not to 
mention, the technology turns out to be already 6 years old but the product is 
vaporware).

The hyperbole and revised data of Canadian energy stocks makes Parkhomov look 
like a choir boy... amazing the DGT could not plug in.

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton 

SUNVAULT ENERGY INC. is pleased to announce that in conjunction with the Edison 
Power Company (Edison) that it has successfully created the world's largest 
10,000 Farad Graphene Supercapacitor.

Building large 10kF capacitors is easy.  It's making them small that is 
difficult.  :-)

Leakage rate and structural integrity are not mentioned and are the biggest 
weaknesses in SCap design (as EEStor found out).

RE: [Vo]:two Parkhomov replications planned for today

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Peter,

There are probably numerous definitions, but this one is probably close: 

 

“What does it mean to hold space for someone else? It means that we are willing 
to walk alongside another person in whatever journey they’re on without judging 
them, making them feel inadequate, trying to fix them, or trying to impact the 
outcome. When we hold space for other people, we open our hearts, offer 
unconditional support, and let go of judgment and control.”

 

-mark

 

From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 12:17 AM
To: VORTEX
Subject: Re: [Vo]:two Parkhomov replications planned for today

 

Thank you, dear Mark.

Can you explain a bit- it is too subtle for me- have nevr met the expression

despite my rther broad area of interest.

 

peter

 

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

Hi Peter,

Hope all is well on your side of the planet…

 

You asked…

What's the secular synonym of to pray?

 

I’ll take a stab at it…

“holding the space”

 

-mark iverson

 

From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 9:04 AM
To: Arik El Boher; Bo Hoistadt; Brian Ahern; CMNS; Dagmar Kuhn; David Daggett; 
doug marker; Dr. Braun Tibor; eCatNews; Gabriel Moagar-Poladian; Gary; Haiko 
Lietz; jeff aries; Lewan Mats; Mark Tsirlin; Nicolaie N. Vlad; Peter Bjorkbom; 
Peter Mobberley; Pierre Clauzon; Roberto Germano; Roy Virgilio; Steve Katinski; 
Sunwon Park; Valerio Ciampoli; vlad; VORTEX
Subject: [Vo]:two Parkhomov replications planned for today

 

Dear Friends,

 

It can be an interesting weekend:

 

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/05/two-parkhomov-replications-today-may-23.html

 

if the researchers have luck and the goddess of research discipline inspires 
them. What's the secular synonym of to pray?


 

Peter

-- 

Dr. Peter Gluck

Cluj, Romania

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com





 

-- 

Dr. Peter Gluck

Cluj, Romania

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:two Parkhomov replications planned for today

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Hi Peter,

Hope all is well on your side of the planet…

 

You asked…

What's the secular synonym of to pray?

 

I’ll take a stab at it…

“holding the space”

 

-mark iverson

 

From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 9:04 AM
To: Arik El Boher; Bo Hoistadt; Brian Ahern; CMNS; Dagmar Kuhn; David Daggett; 
doug marker; Dr. Braun Tibor; eCatNews; Gabriel Moagar-Poladian; Gary; Haiko 
Lietz; jeff aries; Lewan Mats; Mark Tsirlin; Nicolaie N. Vlad; Peter Bjorkbom; 
Peter Mobberley; Pierre Clauzon; Roberto Germano; Roy Virgilio; Steve Katinski; 
Sunwon Park; Valerio Ciampoli; vlad; VORTEX
Subject: [Vo]:two Parkhomov replications planned for today

 

Dear Friends,

 

It can be an interesting weekend:

 

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/05/two-parkhomov-replications-today-may-23.html

 

if the researchers have luck and the goddess of research discipline inspires 
them. What's the secular synonym of to pray?


 

Peter

-- 

Dr. Peter Gluck

Cluj, Romania

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:insight or obvious?

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

This is probably obvious to most Vorts, but I would like to expound a little
on the meaning of ‘dimension’…

 

We all grew up with the term ‘dimension’ referring to the physical, as in
‘two dimensions’, or ‘three dimensions’, and we can easily relate to the
three ‘spatial’ dimensions.  But to the physicist/mathematician, ‘dimension’
is a more general term referring to the number of degrees of freedom or
variables in a mathematical equation.  Prior to Relativity, physicists could
describe a point/object in the universe using the 3 physical or spatial
‘dimensions’.  Relativity added ‘time’ as a 4th fundamental variable to the
3 spatial ones… but time itself is not a ‘spatial’ dimension; it is just
another variable in the equations for Relativity… 

 

The articles referenced by Jones argue for a different meaning for ‘time’,
and the first article is about a group of researchers whose treatment of
‘time’ simplifies at least some of the math in physical theories, and avoids
the paradoxes arising from the current definition of time.  The articles
were a good read, and I hope they continue their work formulating a new
theoretical framework with a different definition for ‘time’, since it is
long overdue… and frankly, for many including myself, 3D+T was the
proverbial bean under the mattress of fundamental physics.

 

Off to count sheep,

-mark

 

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 6:18 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:insight or obvious?

 

From: Roarty, Francis 

Ø   Time is a real dimension mediated by virtual particles. 

In the end – this argument dissolves into semantics. At least in the absence
of data, it does.

For instance the argument that “time-is-not-the-4th-dimension” essentially
can be parsed to prove that the fourth dimension is time. Go figure.

 
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/04/spacetime-has-no-time-dimensio
n-new-theory-claims-that-time-is-not-the-4th-dimension.html
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2011/04/spacetime-has-no-time-dimension
-new-theory-claims-that-time-is-not-the-4th-dimension.html

 http://hi.gher.space/classic/time.htm
http://hi.gher.space/classic/time.htm

RE: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Innovation in North Korea

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

More details supporting the story:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-15/execution-anti-aircraft-gun-photographic-evidence

Visiting NKorea is definitely off my bucket list… ;-)

-m

 

From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:22 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Innovation in North Korea

 

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 

You do not see many innovative new ideas coming out of North Korea. But I must 
say, they do come up with unexpected ways to kill off top officials. Here is 
the latest headline from the New York Times:

North Korea Said to Execute a Top Official, With an Antiaircraft Gun

 

This tidbit of news was recently called into doubt:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/14/south-korea-rows-back-over-north-korea-anti-aircraft-gun-execution-claim

 

Knowing what other kinds of purges have taken place, I suppose this is only a 
question about a point of fact, and not one of whether North Korea would resort 
to something like this.

 

Eric

 

RE: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Innovation in North Korea

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

I read that this latest Top Official simply fell asleep during one of Un’s 
speeches… his ‘napping’ was caught on a video cam!

Technology has its downside… :-/

-mark

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 12:34 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:WAY OFF TOPIC Innovation in North Korea

 

You do not see many innovative new ideas coming out of North Korea. But I must 
say, they do come up with unexpected ways to kill off top officials. Here is 
the latest headline from the New York Times:

North Korea Said to Execute a Top Official, With an Antiaircraft Gun

Previous reports describe killing top officials with mortar, and with a large 
pack of famished dogs.

 

It makes you wonder who would want to be a top official in North Korea. Other 
than the tip-top Boy Wonder himself.

 

North Korea is modeled on Stalinist Russia. My father was posted to Russia 
during World War II working for the US government. He said that in some cases a 
factory manager would fail to meet some goal, so they would take him out in the 
factory yard and shoot him with a firing squad. Then they would look around to 
find someone else to manage the factory. As you might expect, they often had 
difficulty finding anyone willing to take the job.

 

- Jed

 

RE: [Vo]:Curiousity from 1934

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Jones:

 

The inventor calls the activated palladium: pseudomorphic palladium
having spherical bodies.

 

You might want to take a gander at my posting on 5/6:

FYI: growing nanostructures in controlled manner on metals

Lots of spherical bodies in that read; I prefer heavenly bodies myself!

J

 

-mark iverson

 

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 5:03 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Curiousity from 1934

 

File this one under the category of missed opportunities .

Here is an interesting old patent about palladium metallurgy - and how to
treat the metal in order to maximize hydrogen absorption and catalytic
activity. This patent does not turn up in a search of the LENR-CANR library
nor does its inventor Streicher. Process of treating palladium US 2139529 -
Johann Streicher, Newark, N. J., assigner to The American Platinum Works,
Newark, N. J. Filed 1934 and granted in 1938.

The goal of the patent appears to be maximizing the catalytic power of
palladium. The patent does not mention cold fusion - nor does it mention
Paneth and Peters, nor Tandberg (from Sweden) nor helium, nor excess heat.
However, the patent text has several interesting factoids which can hint at
why some LENR experimenters could have failed to get positive results. It
does mention that palladium undergoes a significant morphology change under
specific circumstances and thermal cycling.

Side note: one historian (name forgotten) has claimed that Tandberg
reputedly got unpublished results in Sweden, years later after deuterium
became available from Norway, which were said to be actual proof of cold
fusion, but no one would believe him - following the earlier retraction by
Paneth and Peters.

Anyway, this inventor - Streicher - apparently recognized that a unique
morphology will happen to palladium after about 50 to 60 cycles of full
hydrogen absorption, but COLD absorption, followed by full desorption of
hydrogen under heat. This is time consuming and tedious ! How many early CF
researchers attained this favored morphology? It could require one or two
months of preparation to do properly since the inventor presumably takes the
palladium below freezing temperatures every time - requiring active
refrigeration (or wintertime) - which makes the date of the invention
important in the context of refrigeration. 

It has been said that activated CF electrodes can require as much as 10^6
seconds of run time, so presumably it has been understood that a version of
this morphology-change phenomenon takes considerable time without thermal
cycling - which probably involves creating nanostructure. This makes the
codep technique all the more important in time saving - but very likely is
the possibility that codep itself could be improved with cold/hot cycling
and active freeze-loading - since codep alone does not guarantee anything
other than high loading done quickly.

The inventor calls the activated palladium: pseudomorphic palladium having
spherical bodies obtained by the repeated sorption with hydrogen such that
the material becomes pyrophoric when the treatment is completed.
Pyrophoricity is usually a function of nanostructure with catalysts. Given
that one specialty use of palladium in this era was for hydrogen cigarette
lighters (the Dobereiner Cigarette Lighter made famous by Dunhill) and given
that the patent mentions that untreated palladium will not self-ignite
hydrogen, but that the treated Pd becomes pyrophoric, then this is a clue as
to how chemical catalysis depends on morphology (which may play a part in
CANR). Had they understood the terminology back then - this is probably
nanotechnology in an early form. The important parameter in LENR for
loading in the palladium matrix could shift from simply loading % to
loading% into a fully developed nanostructure. It is a subtle distinction.

It is sad to imagine that better results could have been had 25 years ago,
had freeze-loading and hot desorption, for a minimum of 50 cycles, been
known and implemented (assuming that it works better - and there is no real
proof of that, so this falls into the category of alternative history).

RE: [Vo]:FYI: growing nanostructures in controlled manner on metals

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Link to referenced paper in PDF format:

 

http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150424/srep09779/pdf/srep09779.pdf

 

-mark iverson

 

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 10:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:FYI: growing nanostructures in controlled manner on metals

 

FYI:  for some strange reason I thought this might be relevant to the LENR
crowd.  J

 

Materials scientist Irem Tanyeli from energy research institute DIFFER has
discovered how you can grow nanostructures in a controlled manner on a
variety of metals, by bombarding the metals with helium particles.

 
http://phys.org/news/2015-04-materials-fathoms-growth-nanostructures-metal.
html#jCp
http://phys.org/news/2015-04-materials-fathoms-growth-nanostructures-metal.h
tml

 

Also, wouldn't that be a kicker, if the helium produced in a LENR device
also 'grew' more nanostructures which were the right size to support more
LENR!  Certainly would help to sustain the reaction.  ;-)

 

-mark iverson

 

[Vo]:FYI: growing nanostructures in controlled manner on metals

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

FYI:  for some strange reason I thought this might be relevant to the LENR
crowd.  J

 

Materials scientist Irem Tanyeli from energy research institute DIFFER has
discovered how you can grow nanostructures in a controlled manner on a
variety of metals, by bombarding the metals with helium particles.



 
http://phys.org/news/2015-04-materials-fathoms-growth-nanostructures-metal.
html#jCp
http://phys.org/news/2015-04-materials-fathoms-growth-nanostructures-metal.h
tml

 

Also, wouldn't that be a kicker, if the helium produced in a LENR device
also 'grew' more nanostructures which were the right size to support more
LENR!  Certainly would help to sustain the reaction.  ;-)

 

-mark iverson

RE: [Vo]:New physics from Fermi Contemporary--

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

I have not yet completed reading the article, but the first thing that
jumped out was the term, 'death ray'. no doubt they got that from Tesla's
writings and articles in Electrical Experimenter magazines.

-mark

 

From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:34 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New physics from Fermi Contemporary--

 

Vorts--

 

Just returing from ICCF-19, I got wind of a new story about an old physisict
and contempory of Fermi.  It can be read in English via a Google translation
at the following link:

 

htt
http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/politica/majorana-visse-convento-sud-italia-e
cco-prove-1116241.html
p://www.ilgiornale.it/news/politica/majorana-visse-convento-sud-italia-ecco-
prove-1116241.html 

 

I will leave it at that and await any comments forth coming.

 

Bob Cook

 

 

[Vo]:Tewari making progress... ! or ?

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Hi Vorts,

 

I think all us old-timers will remember the name 'Tewari'.

 

Seems he's made some good progress.

 

RECENT TESTS

A Breakthrough occurred on Saturday November 23rd, 2014 with a test that
yielded an efficiency of 238% at 6 KVA for a 3 phase AC synchronous
generator, 50/60 Hz, 240 VAC.  A major manufacturer of AC Generators in
India has duplicated the machine and reported an efficiency of 250% at 20
KVA

http://www.tewari.org/test-results/

 

But also found this statement.

 

Each machine can produce at least 2.38 times the input and can be
configured in a self-running mode. 

Due to concentration on efficiency and design improvements the machine has
not yet been configured in this manner.

http://nowsolarwa.blogspot.com/2015/04/breaking-news-over-unity-reactionless
.html

 

Hmmm, hasn't, or can't, close the loop to actually prove OUO.

-mark iverson

 

[Vo]:RE: [Vo] Path to Prove LENR at Hand

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

The only two I can think of are:

1. Rusi Taleyarkhan

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/bubblegate/BubblegatePortal.shtml

 

2. Russ George

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_George

 

-mark iverson

 

From: hohlr...@gmail.com [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 4:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Path to Prove LENR at Hand

 

We once had a member here who left to make a bubble energy company. His name 
eludes me . Russ something. Anyone know what became of him?

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

 

RE: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Do you believe the sensor, or your eyes?

-mi

 

From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 10:42 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

 

The pressure release hypothesis is inconsistent with the PSI read out in the 
video, which never reaches 1.0.

 

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:39 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

At 2:29/2:30 into the short segment posted by Craig, it looks like the 
right-side end-plug, or whatever is sticking out that end, blows out.  And I 
use that term specifically since one also sees some hint of a pressure release. 
 Whether that release is at an appropriate level is apparently debatable...
-mark iverson


-Original Message-
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net]
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 9:25 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

Good show,

Thanks, Craig.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks

 Short segment showing the explosion.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDfRaDY2R_A 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDfRaDY2R_Afeature=youtu.be 
 feature=youtu.be

 Craig

 

RE: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

At 2:29/2:30 into the short segment posted by Craig, it looks like the 
right-side end-plug, or whatever is sticking out that end, blows out.  And I 
use that term specifically since one also sees some hint of a pressure release. 
 Whether that release is at an appropriate level is apparently debatable...
-mark iverson

-Original Message-
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 9:25 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Dog Bone Project

Good show,

Thanks, Craig.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks

 Short segment showing the explosion.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDfRaDY2R_Afeature=youtu.be

 Craig

RE: [Vo]:doubling speed every 2 years for decades more, Intel silicon photonics now revolutionizing data centers, Michael Kassner: Rich Murray 2015.01.26

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Hi Steven,
Hope you and the catz are staying warm and dry...

I guess my point was more of a general observation... I have long thought it 
interesting that Darwinian theory ala 'survival of the fittest' could be 
applied equally well to a localized population of animals and to something as 
large as an entire human civilization.  Fully agree with your comment about 
ISIS/ISIL, and I will add that probably all religions have had their 
'embarrasing' eras of fanatical followers, and that by the time that era ends, 
much pain and suffering will have occurred.  The cycle will likely continue 
until the consciousness of the majority of the human population gets raised 
considerably... I think you ought to cut the Christians a bit if slack since 
they were sounding the warning about the fanatical side of Islam long ago, and 
the liberals used every opportunity to label them as racists/bigots.

-mark 
 

-Original Message-
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 10:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:doubling speed every 2 years for decades more, Intel silicon 
photonics now revolutionizing data centers, Michael Kassner: Rich Murray 
2015.01.26

 Steven:
 Societies without some form of moral code, a shared sense of right and 
 wrong, usually don’t last long…

Hi Mark,

Agreed. But in the meantime, they can do a lot of damage and cause much pain 
and suffering before they implode. The real irony is that most believe they are 
truly following the highest moral code of all. I'm thinking of ISIS as an 
example.

Again, I don't disagree with your point. However, is the point you are making 
in regards to Kurzweil's belief systems or is that my belief system you are 
referring to?

Or something else?

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:doubling speed every 2 years for decades more, Intel silicon photonics now revolutionizing data centers, Michael Kassner: Rich Murray 2015.01.26

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Hi James,

There are several Vorts who make a living doing software, and I as one (mostly 
embedded stuff) agree for the most part with your comments.  Hardware designers 
(and I lump together logic / CPU / circuit designers) have much better tools 
(which are software!) than software designers… a modern CPU with tens/hundreds 
of millions of transistors can be designed/simulated/validated with excellent 
accuracy.  Software tools are not nearly as advanced, although they are moving 
in that direction.  Another is that the pressure of very short development 
cycles prevents software teams from taking considerable time to come up to 
speed on the more sophisticated software design tools, like model-driven 
development.

-mark

 

From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:42 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:doubling speed every 2 years for decades more, Intel silicon 
photonics now revolutionizing data centers, Michael Kassner: Rich Murray 
2015.01.26

 

People are conflating advances in hardware with advances in software.  Software 
has been stuck in the dark ages for decades and as a result has metastasized to 
fill whatever capacity Moore's Law has provided with linear, at best, advance 
in utility.  For many day-to-day operations the responsiveness of systems like 
MS Windows has actually decreased.

 

There are real advances in software but they're generally buried in the noise.

 

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 2:10 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

Hi Steven,
Hope you and the catz are staying warm and dry...

I guess my point was more of a general observation... I have long thought it 
interesting that Darwinian theory ala 'survival of the fittest' could be 
applied equally well to a localized population of animals and to something as 
large as an entire human civilization.  Fully agree with your comment about 
ISIS/ISIL, and I will add that probably all religions have had their 
'embarrasing' eras of fanatical followers, and that by the time that era ends, 
much pain and suffering will have occurred.  The cycle will likely continue 
until the consciousness of the majority of the human population gets raised 
considerably... I think you ought to cut the Christians a bit if slack since 
they were sounding the warning about the fanatical side of Islam long ago, and 
the liberals used every opportunity to label them as racists/bigots.

-mark


-Original Message-
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 10:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:doubling speed every 2 years for decades more, Intel silicon 
photonics now revolutionizing data centers, Michael Kassner: Rich Murray 
2015.01.26

 Steven:
 Societies without some form of moral code, a shared sense of right and
 wrong, usually don’t last long…

Hi Mark,

Agreed. But in the meantime, they can do a lot of damage and cause much pain 
and suffering before they implode. The real irony is that most believe they are 
truly following the highest moral code of all. I'm thinking of ISIS as an 
example.

Again, I don't disagree with your point. However, is the point you are making 
in regards to Kurzweil's belief systems or is that my belief system you are 
referring to?

Or something else?

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks

 

RE: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

It uses two proprietary electrolytes (IIRC, two 200 liter tanks???),
separated by a membrane...
The flow of electrolytes across the membrane produces an electric current...
If you noticed the specs, 600volts @ 50amps... 30KW, that's a bunch!
You could reduce it to quarter that and run a typical economy car just fine
for most folks...
-m

-Original Message-
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 4:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

I'd like to know how much it costs to run. Ok... let me give them a break
here and assume the cost of purchasing the car is not the issue here (even
though obviously it is). Assuming the car has been purchased, is it more
expensive or cheaper to run than traditional petroleum based transportation,
or say, a lithium-ion electric car.

Where is the energy coming from? Surely not from the salt water.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

I would think that you could throttle it via flow-rate???  Perhaps using 
electric or magnetic field to restrict flow of ions thru membrane...

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:01 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

These types of sources are not very throttable. They have a fairly constant 
output.  If so, some type of storage mechanism is required.
Probably batteries or ultracaps.

RE: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

The 4 electric motors, one on each axle, are rated at a total of 900+HP… there 
must be separate storage tech to supply the demands of those motors. Hmmm… 

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

 

MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

 

If you noticed the specs, 600volts @ 50amps... 30KW, that's a bunch!
You could reduce it to quarter that and run a typical economy car just fine
for most folks...

 

I do not think so. 30 kW = 40 horsepower. My 1994 Geo Metro has a 52 HP motor. 
It can barely go 65 mph. Downhill. With the wind behind it. There is no way it 
would work with only 10 horsepower.

 

http://www.edmunds.com/geo/metro/1994/features-specs.html

 

This handy reference says that cars need 15 kW:

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/JaeheeJoh.shtml

A typical automobile requires about 20 horsepower [15 kW] to propel it at 50 
mi (80.5 km) per hour.

 

Based on my experience the Metro I expect that is only true on a level road. 
Going uphill at 50 mph you have to floor the Metro and get whip every horse 
under the hood. Going south out of Chattanooga there is quite a heck of hill, 
and the Metro could barely make the 45 mph speed limit, back in its salad days.

 

The 70-something mechanic who maintains my car looked under the hood once and 
said, I've seen riding mowers with bigger engines than that.

 

- Jed

 

RE: [Vo]:doubling speed every 2 years for decades more, Intel silicon photonics now revolutionizing data centers, Michael Kassner: Rich Murray 2015.01.26

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

I think we’re 95% in agreement, and even though they choose to not believe that 
is ok, at least they don’t lop-off people’s heads because of it!  Even a purely 
atheistic society would perish if it doesn’t have some basic moral principles.  
Changes take time… perhaps by our next lifetime, Steven!  -mark

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 4:04 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:doubling speed every 2 years for decades more, Intel silicon 
photonics now revolutionizing data centers, Michael Kassner: Rich Murray 
2015.01.26

 

HI Mark,

 

I suspect no religion can escape having an embarrassing moment or two. That's 
becuz humans run them all, not any prescribed deity. I didn't mean to single 
out Christianity anymore than any other religion. IMHO, if we humans could just 
accept the fact that we all occasionally f#$k up, so perhaps learning how to 
forgive each other for our faults might not be a bad idea. . And if we can get 
over the fear that it's not the end of civilization if a black man marries a 
white man. I mean, jeez, haven't we gotten over interracial marriage yet?

 

PS: We and the catz are doing fine in the Midwest. Thanks for asking. We dodged 
the east coast blizzard bullet. 

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Some more research finds this:




As Wild as it Sounds, the Technology Exists
The e-Sportlimousine was made street-legal in Germany on July 22, 2014. The
car can now be road-tested throughout the European Union. We'll see what
sort of performance numbers it can truly create.


http://www.bestgreencars.com/all-green-cars/2015/1/18/quant-e-sportlimousine
-and-nanoflowcell

 

So it CAN be tested, but is it capable of it?  

Does it take a working tech to get 'street-legal' status in Germany?
Probably not.

 

-mi

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

 

That is one sexy ride!  Thx Steven.

Has anyone found a link to video of an actual test-drive???

So far I cannot find any evidence that its drivable.

Here's a more detailed article:

http://qz.com/261450/this-sports-car-runs-on-saltwater-but-its-no-threat-to-
tesla/

 

Doesn't sound like this is close to a reliable, production quality
technology.. it still has a year or three to go before it sees market intro.


 

Here are some specs:

 

DRIVE TRAIN

- all-wheel drive via 4 three-phase induction motors

- torque vectoring for optimal drive torque distribution

- peak power: 680 KW (925 PS); 170 KW (231.2 PS) x 4

- operating power: 480 KW (653 PS); 120 KW (163.2 PS) x 4

- peak-torque per wheel: 2,900 NM x 4

 

NANOFLOWCELLR

- nominal voltage: 600 V

- nominal current: 50 A

- tank capacity: 2 x 200 L

 

PERFORMANCE

- 0 - 100 KM/H: 2.8 S

- top speed: 380 + KM/H

- range: projected 400 to 600 KM

- energy consumption: 20 KWH/100 KM

 

DIMENSION AND WEIGHT

- kurb weight with full tanks: 2,300 KG

- wheelbase: 3,198 MM

 

-mark

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

 

Read this:

 

http://aetherforce.com/electric-car-powered-by-salt-water-920-hp-373-milesta
nk/

 

OK Vorts. Have a go at it!

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

That is one sexy ride!  Thx Steven.

Has anyone found a link to video of an actual test-drive???

So far I cannot find any evidence that its drivable.

Here's a more detailed article:

http://qz.com/261450/this-sports-car-runs-on-saltwater-but-its-no-threat-to-
tesla/

 

Doesn't sound like this is close to a reliable, production quality
technology.. it still has a year or three to go before it sees market intro.


 

Here are some specs:

 

DRIVE TRAIN

- all-wheel drive via 4 three-phase induction motors

- torque vectoring for optimal drive torque distribution

- peak power: 680 KW (925 PS); 170 KW (231.2 PS) x 4

- operating power: 480 KW (653 PS); 120 KW (163.2 PS) x 4

- peak-torque per wheel: 2,900 NM x 4

 

NANOFLOWCELLR

- nominal voltage: 600 V

- nominal current: 50 A

- tank capacity: 2 x 200 L

 

PERFORMANCE

- 0 - 100 KM/H: 2.8 S

- top speed: 380 + KM/H

- range: projected 400 to 600 KM

- energy consumption: 20 KWH/100 KM

 

DIMENSION AND WEIGHT

- kurb weight with full tanks: 2,300 KG

- wheelbase: 3,198 MM

 

-mark

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

 

Read this:

 

http://aetherforce.com/electric-car-powered-by-salt-water-920-hp-373-milesta
nk/

 

OK Vorts. Have a go at it!

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

I think the specs said 0 to 100kph (62mph) in 2.8 seconds!  Yep, definitely 
some g-forces there…

And as for torque, you won’t believe it… the website reviewing it said over 
8000ft-lbs… That is hard to believe!  Things would start shearing off with that 
much torque. -mark 

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:59 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

 

MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

 

The 4 electric motors, one on each axle, are rated at a total of 900+HP… there 
must be separate storage tech to supply the demands of those motors. Hmmm…

 

Whoa! That's tremendous. The thing must take off like a drag racer.

 

The Tesla Model S produces 310 kW.

 

I have not had a chance to drive a Nissan Leaf. People tell me they are peppy, 
jumping up to speed. Electric motors produce a lot of torque at low revs. 
Better than gasoline motors. That is why a parallel hybrid such as the Prius 
uses mainly electric power to go from zero to 10 mph (I think it is).

 

The Geo Metro is the opposite of peppy. But fun to drive. I imagine this is how 
a Model T must have felt. You start up with lots of noise and vibration and 
manually shifting from gear to gear until a quarter mile down the road you are 
up to . . . 45 mph. It is more like riding a bicycle than driving a modern car. 
You really have to know what the machine is doing, or you will stall. Old 
technology teaches you a lot more than modern no user serviceable parts 
closed technology does.

 

- Jed

 

RE: [Vo]:doubling speed every 2 years for decades more, Intel silicon photonics now revolutionizing data centers, Michael Kassner: Rich Murray 2015.01.26

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Steven:

Societies without some form of moral code, a shared sense of right and wrong, 
usually don’t last long…

-mark 

 

From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 8:02 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:doubling speed every 2 years for decades more, Intel silicon 
photonics now revolutionizing data centers, Michael Kassner: Rich Murray 
2015.01.26

 

From Lewan,

 

 I believe that a good explanation for doubling speed is provided by Kurzweil’s

 suggestion that he calls The Law of Accelerating Returns

 (http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-law-of-accelerating-returns), basically 

 meaning that whatever is invented/evolved in a system is fed back into the

 system and increases the over-all speed of invention/evolution, leading

 mathematically to exponential growth of speed. 

 

I've read a few  of Kurzweil's books. Last one I read, I believe, was The Age 
of Spiritual Machines.

 

His books are fun to read. It would seem that Ray's belief system involves an 
eventual singularity event which suggests the advancement of computer 
technology and AI will either save us, or transform our species into something 
very different than what we are now. That said, Ray's concept is not all that 
different, IMHO, than those among us who believe that Jesus' pending 2nd coming 
will save us, or that the benevolent Space Brothers from Arcturus (or is that 
Sirius... I can't keep the star systems straight) will either save us or at 
least transform us as a species.

 

Despite all of these pending predictions coming from Ray Kurzweil, or from 
Fundamentalist Christians or from other religious doctrine, or for that matter 
from the Brotherhood of Benevolent Space Brothers, I think it would be wise of 
us to never ever underestimate the collective power of stupidity, ignorance, 
and Luddism.

 

I'm more inclined to speculate that Kurzweil might possibly get some of his 
predictions right, but only if interstellar space travel becomes a practical 
reality. That would allow groups of like-minded humans to migrate to their very 
own habitable planet where they can then set up their own governing rules which 
would give them carte blanche to dabble with their genomes and infuse them with 
all the AI technology they see fit.

 

In the meantime I suspect a very large group of Luddites will stay on Earth and 
maintain the status quo. That's probably a good idea anyway. Who knows. For all 
I know perhaps that is by design. It's probably good idea to maintain a 
diverse gene pool such as what we have on our planet allowing interplanetary 
anthropologists and scientist from god knows what civilization to occasionally 
stop by and sample.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Jack Cole's report on Hot Cat replication

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Jack:

Thanks for exiting the peanut gallery and jumping into the frying pan!

I might be able to donate a thing or two to the effort…

-mark iverson

 

From: Jack Cole [mailto:jcol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 6:44 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Jack Cole's report on Hot Cat replication

 

Thanks Jones.  Good suggestion on the Nichrome.  If this pans out, that would 
be a good thing to try for enhancing the reaction.

 

I don't have any way to estimate the hydrogen loss.  I can only tell when it is 
occurring.

 

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

Congrats to Jack – and gain is gain, so do not fret over low COP as it will 
improve.

 Can you estimate the rate of hydrogen loss?

 I would love to see Kanthal windings compared against Nichrome 80. Not 
expensive here and the ohms/ft. are listed.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xnichrome-80_nkw=nichrome-80_sacat=0
 _trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xnichrome-80_nkw=nichrome-80_sacat=0

 Jones

 From: Jed Rothwell 

 http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2015/01/13/hot-cat-replication-attempt/

 

RE: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Misinformation?  Toyota wants to make its competitors think it's going down 
fuel-cell path when it is really developing LENR-based tech for powering its 
future fleet...
-mark iverson

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:12 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
 
Jed Rothwell wrote:
 I think this is a dead-end technology. It cannot compete with plug-in 
 electric hybrid cars and pure electric vehicles.

Toyota and Tesla are nearing the end of sales of the jointly developed RAV4 
electric sport utility vehicle after delivering about 2,500 units over more 
than two years. The two companies are now taking separate paths, with Tesla 
working to bring the plug-in Model X crossover and a cheaper Model 3 sedan to 
market. Toyota is preparing to sell its first fuel-cell vehicle, a technology 
that Tesla’s billionaire co-founder Elon Musk has ridiculed.

 Bizarre behavior on the part of Toyota unless they are suddenly cowed by the 
 possibility of losing large market share to Tesla.


Maybe not bizarre. Anyway, it's not wise to bet against Toyota. Tesla's shares 
are down 55 points since October-and Toyota is up 10. Toyota may know something 
that we, or even Elon-the-magnificent, do not yet appreciate - such as a 
breakthrough in cheap H2. GM dissed Toyota’s Prius a few years ago- as every 
expert in Detroit knew batteries were a dead-end technology. That was a 
billion dollar mistake that helped bankrupt GM.

Things change with the small incremental advance, and Toyota is definitely a 
player in LENR and with a hydrogen IP portfolio that is unreal. H2 may yet be 
the low cost answer, and they know it. Even without them, however, we are only 
a breakthrough away from cheap H2 from LENR - maybe from a water-dog-bone g.

Think about thermal decomposition of water with a newly discovered catalyst, 
probably in one of these 5300 patents, plus an improved dog-bone reactor at 
1300C.

As of now, we know that water molecules split into hydrogen and oxygen at 2200 
°C  at a usable rate of about three percent (this is usable since waste heat is 
recycled at high efficiency) but with a breakthrough catalyst and low-cost 
heat, giving something like 2% conversion at 1300 °C, plus good heat recovery, 
then hydrogen becomes cheaper than battery-based electricity storage.  The 
amount of lithium in a Tesla battery pack could possibly power 1,000,000 
dogbones.

We could be closer than anyone imagines to the hydrogen economy ... anyone 
other than Toyota. 

RE: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Yes, they funded early LENR work with FP.
IIRC, they stopped LENR research for a period of time, but then restarted the 
effort.

You can bet the BoD and C-levels have been kept up-to-date about developments 
in LENR...

-mark iverson

-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:47 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain

Mark's thought also was the first idea that came into my head upon reading 
Terry's comment.

I think they, Toyota, are onto LENR.  Let's not forget they hired Pons and 
Fleishman for research in Nice, France after they left the USA.

Bob


- Original Message -
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain


Misinformation?  Toyota wants to make its competitors think it's going down 
fuel-cell path when it is really developing LENR-based tech for powering its 
future fleet...
-mark iverson

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:12 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Toyota puts fuel cell patents in the public domain

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton

Jed Rothwell wrote:
 I think this is a dead-end technology. It cannot compete with plug-in 
 electric hybrid cars and pure electric vehicles.

Toyota and Tesla are nearing the end of sales of the jointly developed RAV4 
electric sport utility vehicle after delivering about 2,500 units over more 
than two years. The two companies are now taking separate paths, with Tesla 
working to bring the plug-in Model X crossover and a cheaper Model 3 sedan 
to market. Toyota is preparing to sell its first fuel-cell vehicle, a 
technology that Tesla’s billionaire co-founder Elon Musk has ridiculed.

 Bizarre behavior on the part of Toyota unless they are suddenly cowed by 
 the possibility of losing large market share to Tesla.


Maybe not bizarre. Anyway, it's not wise to bet against Toyota. Tesla's 
shares are down 55 points since October-and Toyota is up 10. Toyota may know 
something that we, or even Elon-the-magnificent, do not yet appreciate - 
such as a breakthrough in cheap H2. GM dissed Toyota’s Prius a few years 
ago- as every expert in Detroit knew batteries were a dead-end technology. 
That was a billion dollar mistake that helped bankrupt GM.

Things change with the small incremental advance, and Toyota is definitely a 
player in LENR and with a hydrogen IP portfolio that is unreal. H2 may yet 
be the low cost answer, and they know it. Even without them, however, we are 
only a breakthrough away from cheap H2 from LENR - maybe from a 
water-dog-bone g.

Think about thermal decomposition of water with a newly discovered catalyst, 
probably in one of these 5300 patents, plus an improved dog-bone reactor at 
1300C.

As of now, we know that water molecules split into hydrogen and oxygen at 
2200 °C  at a usable rate of about three percent (this is usable since waste 
heat is recycled at high efficiency) but with a breakthrough catalyst and 
low-cost heat, giving something like 2% conversion at 1300 °C, plus good 
heat recovery, then hydrogen becomes cheaper than battery-based electricity 
storage.  The amount of lithium in a Tesla battery pack could possibly power 
1,000,000 dogbones.

We could be closer than anyone imagines to the hydrogen economy ... anyone 
other than Toyota.

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Dave:

If my hypothesis is correct as to what the conditions are like in a 
void/microcavity, then looking at atoms in the void as ‘billiard balls’ 
colliding and rebounding as you describe, is I believe inaccurate; at least 
once the atoms shed their heat energy, their wave functions will overlap and 
become a BEC.  I.e., the less heat energy, the less the atom behaves as a 
billiard ball and more like an oscillating fluid…

 

Also, there will likely be some element of an E-field/B-field inside the void, 
and that will physically orient the motion of any atoms inside…

 

Wish I could be a fly on the void wall!

 

-mark

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 9:10 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic 
crystals

 

I have considered what you are saying as being normal Mark.  Relative motion of 
an atom to itself is zero, so it is at zero kelvin as far as it knows.  When a 
second atom is added to the void, it becomes more complicated but the relative 
motion of the two must become zero many times per second as they collide and 
rebound within your assumed cavity.  During these brief intervals we have two 
atoms that are at zero Kelvin from their reference frame.  As you add more and 
more atoms to the mix the amount of time during which zero relative motion 
exists between them becomes smaller and less likely, but does occur.

As long as you keep the number of atoms relatively small that are required to 
react in the process of your choice, it will have an opportunity to happen many 
times per second inside each cavity.  Multiply that number by the number of 
possible active cavities within a large object and you get an enormous number 
of active sites that have the potential to react.

If only 4 atoms are required at zero Kelvin in order to react as you may be 
considering, it seems obvious that this will occur so often that a large amount 
of heat will be released by a system of that type.  When you realize that it 
seems to be very difficult to achieve an LENR device that generates lots of 
heat I suspect that the number of reacting atoms confined within the cavity is 
quite a bit greater than 4.  How many do you believe are required in order to 
combine and in what form is the ash?

On the other hand, if a reaction is virtually guaranteed once a modest number 
of atoms becomes confined inside the void, then the limiting factor might be 
that it becomes impossible to confine the required number under most 
conditions.  If this situation is the limiting factor, then a higher 
temperature could well allow more atoms of the reactants to enter into a void 
of the necessary type as more space become available when the cavity walls open 
with additional motion. 

I am not convinced that this type of reaction is the cause of LENR, but at 
least it should be given proper consideration.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 29, 2014 10:54 pm
Subject: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic 
crystals

FYI:

 

Article being referenced is at the bottom, however, I wanted to toss something 
out to The Collective first…

 

One of the things that caught my eye in the article is the ‘room temperature’ 
condition… 

 

As we all know, atoms at room temp are vibrating like crazy since they contain 
the equivalent of 273degC of energy above their lowest state.  Thus, ‘coherent’ 
states in condensed matter above absolute zero is almost never seen.  The 
article’s experiment was done in material at room temp, so the observed 
behavior is a bit of a surprise.  Perhaps what they have not yet thought about 
is that the ‘microcavities’ have no temperature, as I will explain below.

 

This ties in with a point I tried to explain to Dr. Storms, and although I 
think he realizes my point had merit, he glossed right over it and went off on 
a different tangent.  This was in a vortex discussion about 9 to 12 months ago. 
 The point is this:

 

The ‘temperature’ inside a ‘void’ in a crystal lattice is most likely that of 
the vacuum of space; i.e, absolute zero, or very close to it.  Because, 
temperature is nothing more than excess energy imparted to atoms from 
neighboring atoms; atoms have temperature; space/vacuum does not.  Without 
atoms (physical matter), you have no temperature.  In a lattice void, if it is 
large enough (whatever that dimension is), there is NO ‘temperature’ inside 
since the void contains no atoms.  If an atom diffuses into that void, it 
enters with whatever energy it had when it entered, so it has a temperature.  
At this time, I have not heard any discussion as to whether the atoms which 
make up the walls of the void shed IR photons which could get absorbed by an 
atom in the void and increase its temperature, however, would that atom want to 
immediately shed

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

. 

I am not convinced that this type of reaction is the cause of LENR, but at 
least it should be given proper consideration.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 29, 2014 10:54 pm
Subject: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic 
crystals

FYI:

 

Article being referenced is at the bottom, however, I wanted to toss something 
out to The Collective first…

 

One of the things that caught my eye in the article is the ‘room temperature’ 
condition… 

 

As we all know, atoms at room temp are vibrating like crazy since they contain 
the equivalent of 273degC of energy above their lowest state.  Thus, ‘coherent’ 
states in condensed matter above absolute zero is almost never seen.  The 
article’s experiment was done in material at room temp, so the observed 
behavior is a bit of a surprise.  Perhaps what they have not yet thought about 
is that the ‘microcavities’ have no temperature, as I will explain below.

 

This ties in with a point I tried to explain to Dr. Storms, and although I 
think he realizes my point had merit, he glossed right over it and went off on 
a different tangent.  This was in a vortex discussion about 9 to 12 months ago. 
 The point is this:

 

The ‘temperature’ inside a ‘void’ in a crystal lattice is most likely that of 
the vacuum of space; i.e, absolute zero, or very close to it.  Because, 
temperature is nothing more than excess energy imparted to atoms from 
neighboring atoms; atoms have temperature; space/vacuum does not.  Without 
atoms (physical matter), you have no temperature.  In a lattice void, if it is 
large enough (whatever that dimension is), there is NO ‘temperature’ inside 
since the void contains no atoms.  If an atom diffuses into that void, it 
enters with whatever energy it had when it entered, so it has a temperature.  
At this time, I have not heard any discussion as to whether the atoms which 
make up the walls of the void shed IR photons which could get absorbed by an 
atom in the void and increase its temperature, however, would that atom want to 
immediately shed that photon to get back to its lowest energy level???  So 
voids in crystals likely provide an ideal environment for the formation of BECs.

 

-mark iverson

 

ARTICLE BEING REFERENCED

 

Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journal/v9/n1/full/nphoton.2014.304.html

 

Abstract

“Two-dimensional atomic crystals of graphene, as well as transition-metal 
dichalcogenides, have emerged as a class of materials that demonstrate strong 
interaction with light. This interaction can be further controlled by embedding 
such materials into optical microcavities. When the interaction rate is 
engineered to be faster than dissipation from the light and matter entities, 
one reaches the ‘strong coupling’ regime. This results in the formation of 
half-light, half-matter bosonic quasiparticles called microcavity polaritons. 
Here, we report evidence of strong light–matter coupling and the formation of 
microcavity polaritons in a two-dimensional atomic crystal of molybdenum 
disulphide (MoS2) embedded inside a dielectric microcavity at room temperature. 
A Rabi splitting of 46 ± 3 meV is observed in angle-resolved reflectivity and 
photoluminescence spectra due to coupling between the two-dimensional excitons 
and the cavity photons. Realizing strong coupling at room temperature in 
two-dimensional materials that offer a disorder-free potential landscape 
provides an attractive route for the development of practical polaritonic 
devices.”

 

 

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]: FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Hi Bob,

 

RE: not receiving Axil’s response to mine…

I’m beginning to wonder if this is happening more often than we realize… if you 
still haven’t rcvd his post, let me know and I’ll fwd it to you.

 

RE: “Do these ideas differ from your concept”

Not sure how to answer that… It’s hard to discuss this topic when we really 
don’t know *exactly* what an electron is… yes, we have (abstract) mathematical 
models which allow us to describe and predict things with good accuracy, but 
there are still aspects which are not well understood.  The concept of electron 
‘shells’ is merely a result of the *limitations* of the instruments/technology 
we used to ‘observe’ or measure electron behavior.  My hypothetical models have 
physical properties; geometry; physical orientations.

 

Read this article to get an idea of just what temperature is, and how quanta of 
energy are absorbed and shed by individual atoms/ions…

 http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/quantum-022311.cfm

 

First one ion is jiggling a little and the other is not moving at all; then 
the jiggling motion switches to the other ion. The smallest amount of energy 
you could possibly see is moving between the ions, explains first author 
Kenton Brown, a NIST post-doctoral researcher. We can also tune the coupling, 
which affects how fast they exchange energy and to what degree. We can turn the 
interaction on and off.

 

Visualize what is happening in the above experiment until it becomes ingrained 
in how you view the atomistic universe…

 

Heat is the degree of ‘shaking’ of individual atoms because they are 
‘out-of-balance’ internally.  Heat quanta cause the internal oscillators to be 
out of resonance with each other, thus their momentum vectors no longer 
balance, causing physical oscillation of the entire atom… sure, the atom wants 
to shed those quanta and return to resonance, but if it’s an atom in any larger 
assemblage, and not far from a source of heat/radiation, then any quanta it 
sheds is offset by absorption of some other atom’s shed heat quanta… so all the 
atoms in a given assemblage have, at any given instance in time, the same 
number of heat quanta, and that is what we measure as ‘heat’.

 

At this point in the discussion, assume there are NO atoms in the void/NAE, 
what are the possibilities as to what’s going in inside?

- a perfect vacuum, at 0K  (or CMB?)

- are there any E-fields or B-fields present???

- if the walls of the void are shedding heat (as IR photons) into the void, in 
large enough quantities, then one might be able to say that the void’s vacuum 
environment has some kind of energy level equivalent to the energy of the 
photons, but it is NOT in the form of atoms/matter; it is purely photonic in 
nature.

- what else could it be like inside that void???

 

-mark 

 

From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:37 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in 
two-dimensional atomic crystals

 

Mark-- For some reason I have not received Axil's comments, however, the 
definition of coherence needs to be clarified.

 

I have always thought that coherence means that a quantum system exists of 
various matter with one quantum state and a single wave function.  In a BEC 
there is only only wave function that exists at a time.  That batch of 
matter--the BEC--acts like a single particle of matter.  Its coupling is with 
other wave functions (associated with other matter or EM fields) that overlap 
and may or may not change its wave function.  EM fields can be dynamic and 
moving field like in a photon or static fields like that associated with a 
group of static charges or coordinated moving charges. 

 

The idea of a strong pumping mechanism IMO means that the effective coupling 
happens when quantum state transitions (new wave functions) of the BEC change 
rapidly.  

 

Do these ideas differ from your concept.  

 

Bob

- Original Message - 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint mailto:zeropo...@charter.net  

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 8:55 PM

Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional 
atomic crystals

 

Axil,

 

A few of your statements may not be entirely true, depending on the prevailing 
conditions…

 

“Coherence in these half matter half light systems is a function on the 
strength of the pumping mechanism.

  Coherence can occur at any temperature as long as the incoming pumping energy 
is strong enough.

  When we have a BEC fed with incoming pumped nuclear energy, very high 
temperatures can be reached.”

 

The coherence that I’m referring to, of any significant scale, is highly 
unlikely in condensed matter above a few K.  Inside a void in a crystal 
lattice, is entirely a different thing.  If you’re referring to a BEC inside a 
void or microcavity, then I’m ok with the above statements…

 

Assume you already have a BEC consisting of 100 Cs

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

 state of 
those oscillators happens to be, the best one could hope for in trying to 
explain or predict their behavior REQUIRES resorting to probabilities – thus, 
why quantum mechanics  is much more accurate than classical physics when it 
comes to explaining interactions at that level.

 

-mark 

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:40 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional 
atomic crystals

 

Mark, I see that I was not on the same page as you in this manner.  Sorry if I 
confused your concept. 

I want to understand what you are referring to by asking a couple of questions. 
 One, are you thinking of the protons(in the case of hydrogen) as being waves 
instead of particles?  If so, would not protons be extremely tiny wave packets 
due to their large mass?  In my estimation this would tend to localize them so 
that they look more like particles or the billiard balls that you mention.

I also wonder about how they would shed the thermal energy when viewed as a 
packet.  In what form does this energy leave the atom?  Kinetic energy and 
momentum can easily be shed to adjacent atoms if particles are involved. 

How do you take into account that there is repulsion between a number of 
protons trapped inside a void?  I would think that the forces pushing the 
protons apart would prevent them from having an opportunity to merge their 
waveforms due to the relatively large distances maintained. 

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 30, 2014 10:52 am
Subject: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional 
atomic crystals

Dave:

If my hypothesis is correct as to what the conditions are like in a 
void/microcavity, then looking at atoms in the void as ‘billiard balls’ 
colliding and rebounding as you describe, is I believe inaccurate; at least 
once the atoms shed their heat energy, their wave functions will overlap and 
become a BEC.  I.e., the less heat energy, the less the atom behaves as a 
billiard ball and more like an oscillating fluid…

 

Also, there will likely be some element of an E-field/B-field inside the void, 
and that will physically orient the motion of any atoms inside…

 

Wish I could be a fly on the void wall!

 

-mark

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com mailto:dlrober...@aol.com? ] 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 9:10 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic 
crystals

 

I have considered what you are saying as being normal Mark.  Relative motion of 
an atom to itself is zero, so it is at zero kelvin as far as it knows.  When a 
second atom is added to the void, it becomes more complicated but the relative 
motion of the two must become zero many times per second as they collide and 
rebound within your assumed cavity.  During these brief intervals we have two 
atoms that are at zero Kelvin from their reference frame.  As you add more and 
more atoms to the mix the amount of time during which zero relative motion 
exists between them becomes smaller and less likely, but does occur.

As long as you keep the number of atoms relatively small that are required to 
react in the process of your choice, it will have an opportunity to happen many 
times per second inside each cavity.  Multiply that number by the number of 
possible active cavities within a large object and you get an enormous number 
of active sites that have the potential to react.

If only 4 atoms are required at zero Kelvin in order to react as you may be 
considering, it seems obvious that this will occur so often that a large amount 
of heat will be released by a system of that type.  When you realize that it 
seems to be very difficult to achieve an LENR device that generates lots of 
heat I suspect that the number of reacting atoms confined within the cavity is 
quite a bit greater than 4.  How many do you believe are required in order to 
combine and in what form is the ash?

On the other hand, if a reaction is virtually guaranteed once a modest number 
of atoms becomes confined inside the void, then the limiting factor might be 
that it becomes impossible to confine the required number under most 
conditions.  If this situation is the limiting factor, then a higher 
temperature could well allow more atoms of the reactants to enter into a void 
of the necessary type as more space become available when the cavity walls open 
with additional motion. 

I am not convinced that this type of reaction is the cause of LENR, but at 
least it should be given proper consideration.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 29, 2014 10:54 pm
Subject: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic 
crystals

FYI

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Interesting to speculate if voids in a crystal lattice migrate?  And what would 
happen if two migrating cavities ‘collide’…

Would it emit or absorb heat quanta???

 

At that scale, and considering the localized area of the colliding voids, I 
could envision a few possibilities.  The voids are caused by stresses and 
impurities in the crystal structure.  An internal dislocation (void) likely 
helps to relieve stress.  Given that we’re dealing with QM, your guess is as 
good as mine as to what would happen…  and we could both be right, at least 
some percentage of the time!  J  Perhaps the lattice rearranges to, in a sense, 
make the voids completely disappear, but then reappear at some other location 
depending on stresses within the lattice…

 

Does it emit/absorb heat?  Well, voids by themselves don’t couple/retain heat 
quanta, so there’s nothing to emit or capable of being absorbed.  IR photons 
might be flying around inside a void creating an ever-changing pattern of 
constructive/destructive interferences… 

 

-mark

 

From: H Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:17 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in 
two-dimensional atomic crystals

 

Suppose you imagine the atoms as stationary and imagine the cavities as in 
motion instead. When two cavities collide do they generate heat or destroy heat?

 

Harry

 

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:52 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

Dave:

If my hypothesis is correct as to what the conditions are like in a 
void/microcavity, then looking at atoms in the void as ‘billiard balls’ 
colliding and rebounding as you describe, is I believe inaccurate; at least 
once the atoms shed their heat energy, their wave functions will overlap and 
become a BEC.  I.e., the less heat energy, the less the atom behaves as a 
billiard ball and more like an oscillating fluid…

 Also, there will likely be some element of an E-field/B-field inside the void, 
and that will physically orient the motion of any atoms inside…

 Wish I could be a fly on the void wall!

 -mark 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 9:10 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic 
crystals

 I have considered what you are saying as being normal Mark.  Relative motion 
of an atom to itself is zero, so it is at zero kelvin as far as it knows.  When 
a second atom is added to the void, it becomes more complicated but the 
relative motion of the two must become zero many times per second as they 
collide and rebound within your assumed cavity.  During these brief intervals 
we have two atoms that are at zero Kelvin from their reference frame.  As you 
add more and more atoms to the mix the amount of time during which zero 
relative motion exists between them becomes smaller and less likely, but does 
occur.

As long as you keep the number of atoms relatively small that are required to 
react in the process of your choice, it will have an opportunity to happen many 
times per second inside each cavity.  Multiply that number by the number of 
possible active cavities within a large object and you get an enormous number 
of active sites that have the potential to react.

If only 4 atoms are required at zero Kelvin in order to react as you may be 
considering, it seems obvious that this will occur so often that a large amount 
of heat will be released by a system of that type.  When you realize that it 
seems to be very difficult to achieve an LENR device that generates lots of 
heat I suspect that the number of reacting atoms confined within the cavity is 
quite a bit greater than 4.  How many do you believe are required in order to 
combine and in what form is the ash?

On the other hand, if a reaction is virtually guaranteed once a modest number 
of atoms becomes confined inside the void, then the limiting factor might be 
that it becomes impossible to confine the required number under most 
conditions.  If this situation is the limiting factor, then a higher 
temperature could well allow more atoms of the reactants to enter into a void 
of the necessary type as more space become available when the cavity walls open 
with additional motion. 

I am not convinced that this type of reaction is the cause of LENR, but at 
least it should be given proper consideration.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 29, 2014 10:54 pm
Subject: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic 
crystals

FYI:

Article being referenced is at the bottom, however, I wanted to toss something 
out to The Collective first…

One of the things that caught my eye in the article is the ‘room temperature’ 
condition… 

As we all know, atoms at room temp are vibrating like crazy since they contain 
the equivalent of 273degC

[Vo]:FYI: for all those interested in SETI...

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Free downloadable book from NASA.

 

http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/Archaeology_Anthropology_and_I
nterstellar_Communication_TAGGED.pdf

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[Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

FYI:

 

Article being referenced is at the bottom, however, I wanted to toss something 
out to The Collective first…

 

One of the things that caught my eye in the article is the ‘room temperature’ 
condition… 

 

As we all know, atoms at room temp are vibrating like crazy since they contain 
the equivalent of 273degC of energy above their lowest state.  Thus, ‘coherent’ 
states in condensed matter above absolute zero is almost never seen.  The 
article’s experiment was done in material at room temp, so the observed 
behavior is a bit of a surprise.  Perhaps what they have not yet thought about 
is that the ‘microcavities’ have no temperature, as I will explain below.

 

This ties in with a point I tried to explain to Dr. Storms, and although I 
think he realizes my point had merit, he glossed right over it and went off on 
a different tangent.  This was in a vortex discussion about 9 to 12 months ago. 
 The point is this:

 

The ‘temperature’ inside a ‘void’ in a crystal lattice is most likely that of 
the vacuum of space; i.e, absolute zero, or very close to it.  Because, 
temperature is nothing more than excess energy imparted to atoms from 
neighboring atoms; atoms have temperature; space/vacuum does not.  Without 
atoms (physical matter), you have no temperature.  In a lattice void, if it is 
large enough (whatever that dimension is), there is NO ‘temperature’ inside 
since the void contains no atoms.  If an atom diffuses into that void, it 
enters with whatever energy it had when it entered, so it has a temperature.  
At this time, I have not heard any discussion as to whether the atoms which 
make up the walls of the void shed IR photons which could get absorbed by an 
atom in the void and increase its temperature, however, would that atom want to 
immediately shed that photon to get back to its lowest energy level???  So 
voids in crystals likely provide an ideal environment for the formation of BECs.

 

-mark iverson

 

ARTICLE BEING REFERENCED

 

Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journal/v9/n1/full/nphoton.2014.304.html

 

Abstract

“Two-dimensional atomic crystals of graphene, as well as transition-metal 
dichalcogenides, have emerged as a class of materials that demonstrate strong 
interaction with light. This interaction can be further controlled by embedding 
such materials into optical microcavities. When the interaction rate is 
engineered to be faster than dissipation from the light and matter entities, 
one reaches the ‘strong coupling’ regime. This results in the formation of 
half-light, half-matter bosonic quasiparticles called microcavity polaritons. 
Here, we report evidence of strong light–matter coupling and the formation of 
microcavity polaritons in a two-dimensional atomic crystal of molybdenum 
disulphide (MoS2) embedded inside a dielectric microcavity at room temperature. 
A Rabi splitting of 46 ± 3 meV is observed in angle-resolved reflectivity and 
photoluminescence spectra due to coupling between the two-dimensional excitons 
and the cavity photons. Realizing strong coupling at room temperature in 
two-dimensional materials that offer a disorder-free potential landscape 
provides an attractive route for the development of practical polaritonic 
devices.”

 

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

I said, “equivalent of 273degC of energy”

 

Meant to use Kelvin.

Correction, make that ~295degsK; room temp is ~22degC, 0C=273K, plus 22 = 295K.

-mi

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 7:54 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic 
crystals

 

FYI:

 

Article being referenced is at the bottom, however, I wanted to toss something 
out to The Collective first…

 

One of the things that caught my eye in the article is the ‘room temperature’ 
condition… 

 

As we all know, atoms at room temp are vibrating like crazy since they contain 
the equivalent of 273degC of energy above their lowest state.  Thus, ‘coherent’ 
states in condensed matter above absolute zero is almost never seen.  The 
article’s experiment was done in material at room temp, so the observed 
behavior is a bit of a surprise.  Perhaps what they have not yet thought about 
is that the ‘microcavities’ have no temperature, as I will explain below.

 

This ties in with a point I tried to explain to Dr. Storms, and although I 
think he realizes my point had merit, he glossed right over it and went off on 
a different tangent.  This was in a vortex discussion about 9 to 12 months ago. 
 The point is this:

 

The ‘temperature’ inside a ‘void’ in a crystal lattice is most likely that of 
the vacuum of space; i.e, absolute zero, or very close to it.  Because, 
temperature is nothing more than excess energy imparted to atoms from 
neighboring atoms; atoms have temperature; space/vacuum does not.  Without 
atoms (physical matter), you have no temperature.  In a lattice void, if it is 
large enough (whatever that dimension is), there is NO ‘temperature’ inside 
since the void contains no atoms.  If an atom diffuses into that void, it 
enters with whatever energy it had when it entered, so it has a temperature.  
At this time, I have not heard any discussion as to whether the atoms which 
make up the walls of the void shed IR photons which could get absorbed by an 
atom in the void and increase its temperature, however, would that atom want to 
immediately shed that photon to get back to its lowest energy level???  So 
voids in crystals likely provide an ideal environment for the formation of BECs.

 

-mark iverson

 

ARTICLE BEING REFERENCED

 

Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journal/v9/n1/full/nphoton.2014.304.html

 

Abstract

“Two-dimensional atomic crystals of graphene, as well as transition-metal 
dichalcogenides, have emerged as a class of materials that demonstrate strong 
interaction with light. This interaction can be further controlled by embedding 
such materials into optical microcavities. When the interaction rate is 
engineered to be faster than dissipation from the light and matter entities, 
one reaches the ‘strong coupling’ regime. This results in the formation of 
half-light, half-matter bosonic quasiparticles called microcavity polaritons. 
Here, we report evidence of strong light–matter coupling and the formation of 
microcavity polaritons in a two-dimensional atomic crystal of molybdenum 
disulphide (MoS2) embedded inside a dielectric microcavity at room temperature. 
A Rabi splitting of 46 ± 3 meV is observed in angle-resolved reflectivity and 
photoluminescence spectra due to coupling between the two-dimensional excitons 
and the cavity photons. Realizing strong coupling at room temperature in 
two-dimensional materials that offer a disorder-free potential landscape 
provides an attractive route for the development of practical polaritonic 
devices.”

 

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Axil,

 

A few of your statements may not be entirely true, depending on the prevailing 
conditions…

 

“Coherence in these half matter half light systems is a function on the 
strength of the pumping mechanism.

  Coherence can occur at any temperature as long as the incoming pumping energy 
is strong enough.

  When we have a BEC fed with incoming pumped nuclear energy, very high 
temperatures can be reached.”

 

The coherence that I’m referring to, of any significant scale, is highly 
unlikely in condensed matter above a few K.  Inside a void in a crystal 
lattice, is entirely a different thing.  If you’re referring to a BEC inside a 
void or microcavity, then I’m ok with the above statements…

 

Assume you already have a BEC consisting of 100 Cs atoms… all of their wave 
functions are coherent.

 

Now introduce a single photon of heat.  That photon will be absorbed by *only a 
single atom*, thus, changing its wave function and vibrational amplitude.  It’s 
wave function is now somewhat discordant with the remaining 99 atoms.  From 
here, there are a couple of possibilities: 

 1) the single atom sheds a photon which is then absorbed by one of the other 
99 atoms. This process can go on for however long until the photon gets shed 
and exits the BEC entirely.

2) if the heat energy is enough, the wave function is so discordant that the 
atom gets ejected from the BEC before it can shed the photon.

3) ?

 

The more coherence between a set of waves, the stronger the coupling between 
them; the more discordant, the weaker the coupling.

-mark iverson

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 8:30 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:FYI: Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional 
atomic crystals

 

Casimir forces in a Plasma: Possible Connections to Yukawa Potentials

 http://arxiv.org/pdf/1409.1032v1.pdf http://arxiv.org/pdf/1409.1032v1.pdf

 

 

Because of the vacuum energy, a plasma of virtual electron positron pairs 
exists in the space between two subatomic particles. Mesons form as   excitons 
in this plasma. This is where pions come from in the nucleus that bind protons 
and neutrons together in a mutual pion mediated transmutation dance.

 

I suspect the same plasma formation happens in larger cavities and is a direct 
result of the uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics,

 

Coherence in these half matter half light systems is a function on the strength 
of the pumping mechanism. Coherence can occur at any temperature as long as the 
incoming pumping energy is strong enough.

 

When we have a BEC feed with incoming pumped nuclear energy, very high 
temperatures can be reached.

 

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:53 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:

FYI:

 

Article being referenced is at the bottom, however, I wanted to toss something 
out to The Collective first…

 

One of the things that caught my eye in the article is the ‘room temperature’ 
condition… 

 

As we all know, atoms at room temp are vibrating like crazy since they contain 
the equivalent of 273degC of energy above their lowest state.  Thus, ‘coherent’ 
states in condensed matter above absolute zero is almost never seen.  The 
article’s experiment was done in material at room temp, so the observed 
behavior is a bit of a surprise.  Perhaps what they have not yet thought about 
is that the ‘microcavities’ have no temperature, as I will explain below.

 

This ties in with a point I tried to explain to Dr. Storms, and although I 
think he realizes my point had merit, he glossed right over it and went off on 
a different tangent.  This was in a vortex discussion about 9 to 12 months ago. 
 The point is this:

 

The ‘temperature’ inside a ‘void’ in a crystal lattice is most likely that of 
the vacuum of space; i.e, absolute zero, or very close to it.  Because, 
temperature is nothing more than excess energy imparted to atoms from 
neighboring atoms; atoms have temperature; space/vacuum does not.  Without 
atoms (physical matter), you have no temperature.  In a lattice void, if it is 
large enough (whatever that dimension is), there is NO ‘temperature’ inside 
since the void contains no atoms.  If an atom diffuses into that void, it 
enters with whatever energy it had when it entered, so it has a temperature.  
At this time, I have not heard any discussion as to whether the atoms which 
make up the walls of the void shed IR photons which could get absorbed by an 
atom in the void and increase its temperature, however, would that atom want to 
immediately shed that photon to get back to its lowest energy level???  So 
voids in crystals likely provide an ideal environment for the formation of BECs.

 

-mark iverson

 

ARTICLE BEING REFERENCED

 

Strong light–matter coupling in two-dimensional atomic crystals

http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journal/v9/n1/full/nphoton.2014.304.html

 

Abstract

“Two-dimensional atomic crystals of graphene, as well as transition

RE: [Vo]:Bill Gates Sponsoring Palladium-Based LENR Technology

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Couldn’t have asked for a better Christmas present…

Happiest of Holidays to The Collective,

-mark

 

From: Kevin O'Malley [mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 6:11 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: [Vo]:Bill Gates Sponsoring Palladium-Based LENR Technology

 


Bill Gates Sponsoring Palladium-Based LENR Technology


Tuesday December 23, 2014 14:20

Low energy nuclear reactor (LENR) technology, and by extension palladium, is 
attracting the attention of one of the richest men in the world and a pioneer 
inventor of new technology.

..

In a recent visit to Italy, billionaire business man, investor and inventor 
Bill Gates said that for several years he has been a believer in the idea of 
LENR, and is a sponsor of companies developing the technology.

Excerpt... read more at: 
http://www.kitco.com/ind/Albrecht/2014-12-23-Bill-Gates-Sponsoring-Palladium-Based-LENR-Technology.html

[Vo]:Huge/Mysterious E-field found in cold gases

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

FYI:

http://www.sciencealert.com/huge-and-mysterious-electric-field-found-in-ice-
cold-laughing-gas

 

It was supposed to be a routine experiment, but the team soon realised
something was amiss. A potential of around 14.5 volts appeared spontaneously
on the film, which in turn produced an enormous electrical field of more
than 100 million volts per metre. Based on widely accepted notions in
physics, there should have been no electric current whatsoever.

 

Publication reference, PDF available for free:

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2014/cp/c4cp03659j#!divAbstrac
t

 

-Mark

 

RE: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Global banking cabal and the US trying to keep Russia/BRICS nations in line.

 

Many nations are fed up with the stranglehold the cabal has on the IMF and
banking/currencies, and having their currencies pegged to the US$; they want
their currencies to float, and be able to conduct business without having to
convert to USD. China and Russia have already made agreements with some
countries to bypass the US$, and US is trying to keep them in line.  Hope
the cabal loses.

 

-mark

 

From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:55 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market

 

$55 oil freaking out stock market, So is it really Saudi controlled to
bankrupt shale investors or is there some possible relationship to LENR? 

RE: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

$10/bbl is the Saudi’s lifting (production) cost for getting it out of the 
ground, which, next to C./S. America, is the lowest cost found on the planet.  
But the exploration costs are usually more

http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=367 
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=367t=6 t=6

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/crude-oil-cost-of-production-2014-5

 

For explanation of terms:

http://www.eia.gov/finance/performanceprofiles/oil_gas.cfm

 

-mark

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:40 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT : $55 oil freaking out stock market

 

Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:

 

$55 oil freaking out stock market, So is it really Saudi controlled to bankrupt 
shale investors or is there some possible relationship to LENR?

 

I do not think that cold fusion has played any role in this. It is caused by 
fracking in the United States which has lowered the cost and increased supplies 
of both oil and natural gas.

 

The moment it becomes generally known that cold fusion is real and that it is 
likely to be commercialized, the price of oil will fall to $10 a barrel. That 
is approximately what it costs in Saudi Arabia, I believe. It will never rise 
again.

 

Eventually oil will fall to zero dollars per barrel, and then negative $10 per 
barrel, when it is synthesized from garbage. That is to say, people will pay 
you to take their garbage and others will pay you a little for the oil, which 
will still be needed for plastic feedstock, lubrication and a few other 
purposes.

 

I hope that eventually people will synthesize teratons of oil from CO2, and 
pump it back underground, where it belongs. This will reduce the carbon 
concentration in the atmosphere and prevent global warming. We could pump it 
underground or ship it off-Earth via a space elevator. If people on Mars have 
no use for it we can dump it into the sun I suppose. That is what we should do 
with all of the fission rad-waste left from today's nuclear reactors. The 
notion that we have to bury that stuff underground here on earth and protect it 
for the next 10,000 years strikes me as unimaginative. It is silly. This is a 
problem we should leave to our great-grandchildren to fix. They will be able to 
do it more easily than we can. It will be a minor expense for them. Some 
problems are best left for posterity to fix.

 

- Jed

 

RE: [Vo]:published in a peer review

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Congrats Frank!

Please keep us informed as to responses or reviews by the scientific
community.

-mark

 

From: Frank Znidarsic [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 5:53 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:published in a peer review

 

Please help me by fwd the article to as wide of an audience as possible.

 

 

http://benthamopen.com/journal/render-volume.php?volumeID=CHEMISTRY-V1 

 

 

Frank Znidarsic

RE: [Vo]:I boiled a bunch of water today

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

FYI:

I posted a msg on 11/22 with Subject:

“Water, out with the old, in with the new? U-tube vid”

In it is a link to a vid which might help explain some of water’s anomalous 
behavior…

It gets interesting at ~10mins into the vid…

-mark

 

From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 12:59 AM
To: VORTEX
Subject: Re: [Vo]:I boiled a bunch of water today

 

perhaps it was lazy, traditionalist or unable to change.

Water is a strange stuff.

Peter

 

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com 
wrote:

... and then turned off the heat.The water stayed hot for quite awhile. 

 

Huh.

 

-- 

Dr. Peter Gluck

Cluj, Romania

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]: Neutron Tunneling Theory regarding Lugano Report--

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

What I find most interesting is that Elforsk, Gullstrom and Dr. Myron Evans 
have begun corresponding…

 

Go to this site and do a search for LENR:

https://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/

 

 

https://drmyronevans.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/a226thpaper.pdf

https://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/for-posting-uft226-sections-1-and-2/

https://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/for-posting-background-notes-to-uft226/

 

Evans’ opinion about where fizzix took a wrong turn…

 

“QED and QCD have their hidden adjustable parameters and their unobservables 
(virtual particles). They are not precise theories at all, and they are plagued 
with artificially removed infinities (renormalization). With the benefit of 
forty years of experience in chemical and theoretical physics I think that QED 
was a wrong turning entirely.”

 

-mark iverson

 

From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 9:34 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Neutron Tunneling Theory regarding Lugano Report--

 

Mats Lewan in a revised addition to his book on Rossi earlier this year has 
added a comment about a paper from Carl-Oscar Gullström.

He mentions that Carl-Oscar Gullström’s paper, “Low Radiation fusion through 
bound neutron Tunneling” got some positive attention from Bo Höistad, one of 
the authors of the Lugano report who told Mats: “It is very interesting. It 
fits like a glove with our results, both the isotopic changes and the absence 
of radiation. It is the first time that I see a scenario that could explain the 
results—it has not existed before!” 

The paper can be found form E-Cat World here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/244393652/Low-radiation-fusion-through-bound-neutron-tunneling

This may be the answer to the Rossi effect that the Swedes are looking for.   
Carl-Oscar is a student at Uppsala University--

Bravo,

Bob Cook

 

 

 

RE: [Vo]: Neutron Tunneling Theory regarding Lugano Report--

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Morning Bob, Vorts,

 

Evans has a pretty large following, and has been a *very* productive theorist, 
but is still marginalized by the mainstream… gee, don’t know why!   ;-)  I am 
encouraged by having some newbie theorists take a shot at LENR… can only help 
raise awareness.

 

ATTN: ZPF/Casimir fans…

For those who are looking at a possible connection with the ZPF/vacuum, you 
might want to check out my posting on 11/22, “Water, out with the old, in with 
the new? U-tube vid”

He discusses possible interaction with the vacuum to explain some water 
anomalies…

 

RE: missing neutrons and non-dead grad students…

Also, the scientist mentions how an absorbed photon may not be emitted as usual 
when quantum coherence is present.

 

-mark

 

From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 9:42 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Neutron Tunneling Theory regarding Lugano Report--

 

These papers identified by Mark reveal how Standard Physics used fudge 
factors in complex Dirac equations to fit nature.  This issue has not been 
addressed very well in standard physics classes in the US and elsewhere, to 
my knowledge.   I wonder why not?

 

We have the computational capability of modern computers to thank for the 
revelation, since they do not need the introduction of fudge factors to solve 
the Dirac equation for  various testable physical systems.

 

I think this is what Evans, etal.,  are saying.  

 

Also Evans has taken action to set up a conference (Skype, I think) to review 
the published theories by the wordpress.com with Elforsk and Gullstrom relative 
to the Lugano results. 

 

Apparently, Axel Westrenius has been instrumental in setting up the conference 
and suggested the connection of the Lugano results, the Gullstrom paper and the 
wordpress.com theory cited by Mark.  He apparently  has been in communication 
with Evans for some time. 

 

It is interesting to note who else is involved and/or participates in the 
conference.  It may have already happened.

 

The plot thickens, as more people are throwing their hat in the ring and hoping 
for fame associated with explaining the Rossi Effect. 

 

Bob

 

 

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint mailto:zeropo...@charter.net  

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 12:06 AM

Subject: RE: [Vo]: Neutron Tunneling Theory regarding Lugano Report--

 

What I find most interesting is that Elforsk, Gullstrom and Dr. Myron Evans 
have begun corresponding…

 

Go to this site and do a search for LENR:

https://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/

 

 

https://drmyronevans.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/a226thpaper.pdf

https://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/for-posting-uft226-sections-1-and-2/

https://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/for-posting-background-notes-to-uft226/

 

Evans’ opinion about where fizzix took a wrong turn…

 

“QED and QCD have their hidden adjustable parameters and their unobservables 
(virtual particles). They are not precise theories at all, and they are plagued 
with artificially removed infinities (renormalization). With the benefit of 
forty years of experience in chemical and theoretical physics I think that QED 
was a wrong turning entirely.”

 

-mark iverson

 

From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 9:34 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Neutron Tunneling Theory regarding Lugano Report--

 

Mats Lewan in a revised addition to his book on Rossi earlier this year has 
added a comment about a paper from Carl-Oscar Gullström.

He mentions that Carl-Oscar Gullström’s paper, “Low Radiation fusion through 
bound neutron Tunneling” got some positive attention from Bo Höistad, one of 
the authors of the Lugano report who told Mats: “It is very interesting. It 
fits like a glove with our results, both the isotopic changes and the absence 
of radiation. It is the first time that I see a scenario that could explain the 
results—it has not existed before!” 

The paper can be found form E-Cat World here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/244393652/Low-radiation-fusion-through-bound-neutron-tunneling

This may be the answer to the Rossi effect that the Swedes are looking for.   
Carl-Oscar is a student at Uppsala University--

Bravo,

Bob Cook

 

 

 

RE: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

You have to parse the Foundation’s statement carefully…

 

“He [Bill Gates] was not there as a representative of the foundation, nor are 
there any plans for funding or other partnerships between the ENEA and the 
foundation.

 

Yes, Bill was NOT there on BEHALF of the Foundation; it was him, personally, 
looking into ENEA’s work. The Foundation has no plans with ENEA, but Gates 
could easily pull out his checkbook and write them a check for $10M… or come 
back to the states and set up his own lab and hire people from his ‘circle’…

 

-Mark Iverson

 

From: Kevin O'Malley [mailto:kevmol...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:27 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bill Gates (MS) LENR Cold Fusion- Italy meeting

 

The folks over at E-Cat world are on top of this, moving faster and more 
thoroughly than us vorts.Kudos to them. 

http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/17/update-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea/#comment-1698388366
  

Bob Greenyer 
http://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=defaultdisqus_version=c6ed14e4f=ecwt_i=11372%20http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F%3Fp%3D11372t_u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F2014%2F11%2F17%2Fupdate-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea%2Ft_e=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_d=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_t=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29s_o=descl=
  • 2 hours ago 
http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/17/update-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea/#comment-1698335441
  

This is how Bill Gates felt about Nuclear in April 21, 2010 in the year before 
Rossi's first public demonstration in 2011.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbbq_KdPzjE 

At 4:44 he talks about the group HE (not BM Foundation) is backing, they use 
U238, he says

...because we have fast Neutrons, we have this Neutron budget that's very 
different, now our main problem is the material science problem - is these damn 
Neutrons - uh - degrade the cladding and everything - we don't have a 
predictable way of saying over a 40 year lifetime - uh - how various materials 
deal with that.

Then the Kicker... he dismissively says...

If you look at the [Hot] Fusion guys, their Neutrons are like a thousand times 
worse than our Neutrons, but even ours are, are... those guys [hot fusion] have 
14 MEV Neutrons - good luck to them!

He starts smiling and goes on...

People should work on that - that is NOT an easy thing in terms of the 
economics.

In the same video he states boldly I love nuclear

Given that:

1. his own investment since this video was made 3.5 years ago hasn't yielded 
cheap ubiquitous, safe and easy to deploy energy

2. the very obvious dismissal of the practicality of hot fusion given his own 
real experience of his nuclear investment

3. this was pre Rossi

4. this was pre-Fukashima

5. the fact that he was looking at small reactors in a lab with Vittorio 
Violante

There is no doubt in my mind that Bill Gates is looking at LENR.

The only questions is, when will he announce I love the New Fire

Bob Greenyer 
http://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=defaultdisqus_version=c6ed14e4f=ecwt_i=11372%20http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F%3Fp%3D11372t_u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.e-catworld.com%2F2014%2F11%2F17%2Fupdate-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea%2Ft_e=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_d=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29t_t=Update%20from%20the%20Gates%20Foundation%20%28Joe%20Shea%29s_o=descl=
  • 3 hours ago 
http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/17/update-from-the-gates-foundation-joe-shea/#comment-1698205387
  

At DAVOS Bill first quotes the importance of new energy and recognises the slow 
pace and problems with storage of alternative energy and the fact that it is 
not a priority for government research investment because of the payback 
horizon [is not within a politically useful time-frame]

http://youtu.be/aen6ubFLSmo?t=... http://youtu.be/aen6ubFLSmo?t=21m32s 

In his second segment he is specifically asked if he is going to broaden the 
remit of the foundation, and he says that the focus of the Bill and Melinda 
Gates foundation will remain the same, helping farmers, solving health issues

The focus of our foundation for my lifetime will be these health and 
agricultural issues, uh, you've gotta specialise, uh we think that we can go 
from a world where 6 million children a year are dieing, get that down to under 
2 million and so we're gonna stay focussed on those things uh, until we achieve 
health equity where if you are born in a poor country, you're no more likely to 
die than any other child on the planet.

http://youtu.be/aen6ubFLSmo?t=... http://youtu.be/aen6ubFLSmo?t=52m25s 

That says 1. Nothing about his own personal capacity, he is keen to mention the 
specialisation as being that of the foundation 2. Helping create an affordable 
means to desalinate water would help farmers.

For me, it is interesting WHY Mishal 

RE: [Vo]:coherent perfect absorption

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Hi Bob,

I've been very busy for the last year and have not had the time to partake
in the lively discussions in the Collective, and with the added publicity
that vortex-l has had (thanks to Mark Gibbs and others) the quality of the
discussions has definitely increased significantly. we've also lost some
dear souls since LENR started heating up, and they are missed. L

 

Thanks for chiming in. 

 

Yes, I would agree that the size of the coherent system is an important key,
and that that size would also dictate what kind of photons get absorbed vs
which make it outside the bulk matter and into grad-student bulk matter!

 

When you say, . is not the answer to the cold fusion question., are you
saying that a LENR system doesn't involve coherency across many, many atoms
length???  I did not get the impression that the referenced article was
restricting it's hypothesis to two-body systems.

 

-Mark

 

From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:18 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:coherent perfect absorption

 

Mark--

 

The size of the coherent system is the key.  Many bodies share the
distribution of energy and total coherent system energy changes.  Two body
systems like that heretofore considered in hot fusion physics (and extended
to all solid state physics by many) are not the answer to the cold fusion
question in most cases IMHOI.

 

Bob Cook

- Original Message - 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint mailto:zeropo...@charter.net  

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:35 PM

Subject: [Vo]:coherent perfect absorption

 

Just some food for Collective thought. as to why no dead grad students.

 

Perfect energy-feeding into strongly coupled systems and interferometric
control of polariton absorption

http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nphys3106.html

 

Abstract

The ability to drive a system with an external input is a fundamental aspect
of light-matter interaction. The key concept in many photonic applications
is the 'critical coupling' condition1, 2: at criticality, all the energy fed
to the system is dissipated within the system itself. Although this idea was
crucial to enhance the efficiency of many devices, it was never considered
in the context of systems operating in a non-perturbative regime. In this
so-called strong-coupling regime, the matter and light degrees of freedom
are mixed into dressed states, leading to new eigenstates called
polaritons3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Here we demonstrate that the
strong-coupling regime and the critical coupling condition can coexist; 

 

[emphasis mine]

in such a strong critical coupling situation, all the incoming
energy is converted into polaritons.  

 

A general semiclassical theory reveals that such a situation corresponds to
a special curve in the phase diagram of the coupled light-matter
oscillators. In the case of a system with two radiating ports, the
phenomenology shown is that of coherent perfect absorption (CPA; refs 11,
12), which is then naturally understood in the framework of critical
coupling. Most importantly, we experimentally verify polaritonic CPA in a
semiconductor-based intersubband-polariton photonic crystal resonator. This
result opens new avenues in polariton physics, making it possible to control
the pumping efficiency of a system independent of the energy exchange rate
between the electromagnetic field and the material transition.

 

-mark iverson

 

[Vo]:coherent perfect absorption

[MarkI-ZeroPoint]

Just some food for Collective thought. as to why no dead grad students.

 

Perfect energy-feeding into strongly coupled systems and interferometric
control of polariton absorption

http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nphys3106.html

 

Abstract

The ability to drive a system with an external input is a fundamental aspect
of light-matter interaction. The key concept in many photonic applications
is the 'critical coupling' condition1, 2: at criticality, all the energy fed
to the system is dissipated within the system itself. Although this idea was
crucial to enhance the efficiency of many devices, it was never considered
in the context of systems operating in a non-perturbative regime. In this
so-called strong-coupling regime, the matter and light degrees of freedom
are mixed into dressed states, leading to new eigenstates called
polaritons3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Here we demonstrate that the
strong-coupling regime and the critical coupling condition can coexist; 

 

[emphasis mine]

in such a strong critical coupling situation, all the incoming
energy is converted into polaritons.  

 

A general semiclassical theory reveals that such a situation corresponds to
a special curve in the phase diagram of the coupled light-matter
oscillators. In the case of a system with two radiating ports, the
phenomenology shown is that of coherent perfect absorption (CPA; refs 11,
12), which is then naturally understood in the framework of critical
coupling. Most importantly, we experimentally verify polaritonic CPA in a
semiconductor-based intersubband-polariton photonic crystal resonator. This
result opens new avenues in polariton physics, making it possible to control
the pumping efficiency of a system independent of the energy exchange rate
between the electromagnetic field and the material transition.

 

-mark iverson