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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: The snow had a hypnotic undulating motion which was freakin' drivers. They insisted on driving slow although there was no hazard. I made it outside the perimeter highway as traffic began to collapse. It was like I was being chased by a tsunami. These traffic maps: http://imgur.com/ufdJ54D represent that tsunami. I left around 12:30 and arrived home around 1:15.
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Eric Walker said: Here is another video of Russian drivers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2oQ6VbVIco These images are something else. I can't tell whether the drivers in Russia are absolutely terrible, or whether this is the situation anywhere, and the drivers in Russia just happen to have dashcams. Eric Absolutely terrible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate AND they happen to have dashcams. All the more entertaining.
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Jed said: So much for the notion that people in Russia know how to drive in the snow. I wasn't even aware of the notion that people in Russia know how to drive.. : ( Seriously, there are quite a few reasons it is difficult to drive well in conditions like these (Atlanta, GA). (I think) I can tell from Terry's dashcam video that the road temperature is below freezing, and the snow seems pretty dry (well below freezing, with little water content). These by themselves are the good news, they don't affect driving much. If, however, there is a lot of moisture in the air (not to mention Freezing Rain) and the road is subzero (is that term known to Fahrenheiters? I mean below freezing), it will slowly be creating an extremely slippery ice+water surface. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freezing_rain. I should point out that in Sweden (where I live), there is quite some variation in what winter conditions mean. In the North, where they ALWAYS have snow in winter, the snow tends to be dry and packed (not terribly slippery). In the South, they USUALLY have snow at winter, and the temperature is always oscillating at, or slightly below, the freezing point. Treacherous. Oh, here's a reading suggestion : ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Smilla%27s_Feeling_for_Snow I lived for a couple of years in south-east England, UK just a few years ago, and clearly noticed the collective behaviour that helps create this type of traffic jams. At work, people would sit up in shock and stare at the large snowflakes falling, and then after 5 seconds thought (or maybe 5 minutes) scram for their cars. (The 5 minutes pause was probably the process of coming to the conclusion that it was in fact late enough in the afternoon to leave work.) So definitely, the relatively smooth, flat departure-time bell-shape has become much more pointed (higher). That's no good. In the UK, I realized, tyres are no big deal. Just stick'em on and forget about them (I'm exaggerating I know). The effects being that a lot of people are driving with pretty worn out tyres, not to mention pretty OLD tyres (aging makes the rubber harder). That's no good. In Sweden, people change tyres twice a year. (At least those who use studded tyres, which means most cars, but it's coming out of fashion..) These people will actually be _looking_ at their tyres properly twice a year, make sure they are properly inflated at least twice a year, and will generally be quite aware of how old they are. (Then there are year-round M+S tyres of course. (Mud+Snow.) But that's a different story ; ) Then there's culture. Despite being quite close, geographically and culturally, people in the UK and Sweden drive quite differently, especially when it comes to speed. I noticed that the English may be more gentlemanly in traffic, but they sure drive much more aggressively (fast). Not that they are breaking the speed limits all the time, but it is generally accepted behaviour to travel at a higher speed on a given type of road. I could often tell where roads were narrow, winding, and generally dangerous, but people around me were driving as if they were any straight, ordinary roads. That's no good. Definite culture difference. If you haven't already seen this viral one-minute masterpiece, checkout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLaTupw-hk Safe driving, folks. Be humble. /Sunil From: jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 22:55:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Atlanta frozen again To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Here is why Russians have dash-cams. I think these are mainly Russian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqktzCeFcbI So much for the notion that people in Russia know how to drive in the snow. Two final notes. A friend of mine who is a pharmacist at the hospital says that essential staff was ordered to stay there yesterday and today. She and doctors slept in empty patient beds. Fortunately, there was not a single traffic fatality in Atlanta yesterday or today. More than a thousand accidents but no one killed. - Jed
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:11 AM, Sunil Shah s.u.n@hotmail.com wrote: Safe driving, folks. Be humble. My driving philosophy is quite simple. I treat automobiles in traffic as a herd of animals with no intelligent control. This not only leads you to expect unpredictable behavior but, once immersed in the idea, you lose your ability to be angry. One does not develop road rage when traveling with a group of water buffalo.
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Here is a good summary of the underlying causes of the gridlock: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/atlanta-snow-storm-102839.html?ml=m_t1_2h#.UuqZrRBdXCE - Jed
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Hilarious! And a very good idea : ) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 12:16:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Atlanta frozen again From: hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:11 AM, Sunil Shah s.u.n@hotmail.com wrote: Safe driving, folks. Be humble. My driving philosophy is quite simple. I treat automobiles in traffic as a herd of animals with no intelligent control. This not only leads you to expect unpredictable behavior but, once immersed in the idea, you lose your ability to be angry. One does not develop road rage when traveling with a group of water buffalo.
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: My driving philosophy is quite simple. I treat automobiles in traffic as a herd of animals with no intelligent control. If cars are like water buffalo, they're like water buffalo with jetpacks, and, when there's ice, ones that can spin out of control. Here is another video of Russian drivers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2oQ6VbVIco These images are something else. I can't tell whether the drivers in Russia are absolutely terrible, or whether this is the situation anywhere, and the drivers in Russia just happen to have dashcams. Eric
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Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: These images are something else. I can't tell whether the drivers in Russia are absolutely terrible, or whether this is the situation anywhere, and the drivers in Russia just happen to have dashcams. They have dashcams because accidents are common and the insurance companies will not pay unless you prove it is the other guy's fault. Also to document police corruption. See: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/02/russian-dash-cams/ - Jed
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Well, to keep the average, my city, Rio de Janeiro, seems to be hotter every year. 2014-01-29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Atlanta has been hit by a blizzard again. Nearly an inch of snow. In places you cannot see the pavement it is so deep. This paralyzes the whole city because there are no snow plows and people do not know how to drive in the snow. Plus, apparently, many people have forgotten how to walk. It is worse than last year. Many people were stuck in their cars for hours, or overnight. See: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/29/us/winter-weather/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Here is what I do not understand. A woman is quoted: Ten hours after leaving her office, Cole's nine-mile trip home was barely halfway over early Wednesday. She left work Tuesday afternoon and was still sitting in traffic at 1 a.m. Wednesday. As she prepared to spend the night in her car, she hoped it wouldn't run out of fuel. 'If I get gasoline, I will turn the heater on, keep the windows cracked a little bit,' she said. Why on earth would anyone sit in a car for 10 hours when you are only 4 miles from home?!? She is halfway home on a 9-mile commute. Okay, park the car, get out, and walk. It wasn't that cold yesterday, and walking keeps you warm. Have people forgotten how to use their legs? I have been stranded by snowstorms in Atlanta three or four times since I moved here. Once in Norcross, which was probably about 9 miles away. I parked the car and walked home. If you are not carrying a backpack you can walk 9 miles in 3 hours with no difficulty, even in light snow. I get that a lot of people are 20 miles from home. They have my sympathy. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
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On 01/29/2014 08:56 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Why on earth would anyone sit in a car for 10 hours when you are only 4 miles from home?!? She is halfway home on a 9-mile commute. Okay, park the car, get out, and walk. It wasn't that cold yesterday, and walking keeps you warm. Have people forgotten how to use their legs? I have been stranded by snowstorms in Atlanta three or four times since I moved here. Once in Norcross, which was probably about 9 miles away. I parked the car and walked home. If you are not carrying a backpack you can walk 9 miles in 3 hours with no difficulty, even in light snow. I'd opt for staying in the car. It takes a long time to walk 4 miles, especially in the snow, and then you'd have to worry about your car being towed. Craig
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Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: I'd opt for staying in the car. It takes a long time to walk 4 miles, especially in the snow, and then you'd have to worry about your car being towed. When this happened to me, I left the car on a side street or the parking lot at Home Depot. It does not take a long time to walk 4 miles in one inch of snow! A foot of snow, yes. It was not cold yesterday. Just below freezing. It is plenty cold this morning. -11 deg C. I had no trouble walking along Peachtree Industrial Boulevard the times I was stranded there. There is not much danger because the cars were all standing still. - Jed
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Jed, I know you are a smart guy. I left my office in Atlanta @ 3:00 PM yesterday and arrived homed in Roswell @ 12:45 AM and I walked the last 1/4 mile in my subdivision. I picked up my neighbors wife, who is an atty @ 11:00 PM at Mansell Road and another neighbor. She was WEARING HIGH HEELS and had no chance of walking 4 miles. It was 24 degrees at the time. My new Ford F150 did great except for a little fish tailing going down hill. Stewart On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Atlanta has been hit by a blizzard again. Nearly an inch of snow. In places you cannot see the pavement it is so deep. This paralyzes the whole city because there are no snow plows and people do not know how to drive in the snow. Plus, apparently, many people have forgotten how to walk. It is worse than last year. Many people were stuck in their cars for hours, or overnight. See: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/29/us/winter-weather/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Here is what I do not understand. A woman is quoted: Ten hours after leaving her office, Cole's nine-mile trip home was barely halfway over early Wednesday. She left work Tuesday afternoon and was still sitting in traffic at 1 a.m. Wednesday. As she prepared to spend the night in her car, she hoped it wouldn't run out of fuel. 'If I get gasoline, I will turn the heater on, keep the windows cracked a little bit,' she said. Why on earth would anyone sit in a car for 10 hours when you are only 4 miles from home?!? She is halfway home on a 9-mile commute. Okay, park the car, get out, and walk. It wasn't that cold yesterday, and walking keeps you warm. Have people forgotten how to use their legs? I have been stranded by snowstorms in Atlanta three or four times since I moved here. Once in Norcross, which was probably about 9 miles away. I parked the car and walked home. If you are not carrying a backpack you can walk 9 miles in 3 hours with no difficulty, even in light snow. I get that a lot of people are 20 miles from home. They have my sympathy. - Jed
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ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I picked up my neighbors wife, who is an atty @ 11:00 PM at Mansell Road and another neighbor. She was WEARING HIGH HEELS and had no chance of walking 4 miles. It was 24 degrees at the time. I don't like to criticize people who are not used to dealing with the cold, or with nature, but . . . that was stupid of her. They predicted snow several days before. At 7 in the morning the sky was full of low clouds rushing overhead. It was obvious a front was coming in, and it was below freezing. She should have had enough sense to put some boots or walking shoes in the car, and a heavy coat. I will bite my tongue and say nothing about about attorneys. The snow came just when it was predicted. 70% chance of snow at 12:00. It started snowing at 11:50. Weather reports these days are uncanny. - Jed
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OK, How about 75 year olds trying to walk 4 miles in 25 degree weather. Or people with newborns/multiple kids in the car? Many people left at noon yesterday AND ARE STILL IN THEIR CARS Get real On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I picked up my neighbors wife, who is an atty @ 11:00 PM at Mansell Road and another neighbor. She was WEARING HIGH HEELS and had no chance of walking 4 miles. It was 24 degrees at the time. I don't like to criticize people who are not used to dealing with the cold, or with nature, but . . . that was stupid of her. They predicted snow several days before. At 7 in the morning the sky was full of low clouds rushing overhead. It was obvious a front was coming in, and it was below freezing. She should have had enough sense to put some boots or walking shoes in the car, and a heavy coat. I will bite my tongue and say nothing about about attorneys. The snow came just when it was predicted. 70% chance of snow at 12:00. It started snowing at 11:50. Weather reports these days are uncanny. - Jed
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ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: OK, How about 75 year olds trying to walk 4 miles in 25 degree weather. Or people with newborns/multiple kids in the car? Such people are a different story. I was talking about people in good health age 20 to 65. They should be capable of walking 5 miles in an inch of snow. I had no difficulty walking yesterday evening. People should have enough sense to put walking shoes and a coat in the car when snow is predicted. Your comment is a logical fallacy. I guess it would be the slippery slope, which is exactly what we are suffering from in Atlanta. - Jed
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We need some of your robots On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: OK, How about 75 year olds trying to walk 4 miles in 25 degree weather. Or people with newborns/multiple kids in the car? Such people are a different story. I was talking about people in good health age 20 to 65. They should be capable of walking 5 miles in an inch of snow. I had no difficulty walking yesterday evening. People should have enough sense to put walking shoes and a coat in the car when snow is predicted. Your comment is a logical fallacy. I guess it would be the slippery slope, which is exactly what we are suffering from in Atlanta. - Jed
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I hoofed it in the Snowjam of 1982 over 5 miles from the Veteran's hospital to Memorial Dr. Cars had blocked all lanes at the hospital trying to get up the hill. I decided I would not do this again. I made it; but, I ruined a nice suit and shoes. Yesterday, I watched Ch.2's weather radar. It was showing heavy snow where no snow was falling. It was subliming before hitting the ground. Suddenly heavy show was reported in the NW. I watch traffic bunch up on I-75 for an hour and decided to split Buckhead at 12:30 pm. The snow started when I hit the interstate. My dashcam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrvq4c2LT5w The snow had a hypnotic undulating motion which was freakin' drivers. They insisted on driving slow although there was no hazard. I made it outside the perimeter highway as traffic began to collapse. It was like I was being chased by a tsunami. I got home to Suwanee in 45 minutes. It would have been a different story had I waited another half hour to leave.
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ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: We need some of your robots I wonder how Google's self driving car would handle this. What we need is less commuting and more telecommuting and satellite offices. If most people lived within walking distance of their office, many able bodied people would walk, leaving the roads open to pregnant women and the like. Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I hoofed it in the Snowjam of 1982 over 5 miles from the Veteran's hospital to Memorial Dr. Cars had blocked all lanes at the hospital trying to get up the hill. I decided I would not do this again. I made it; but, I ruined a nice suit and shoes. I put some old shoes in the car when it is fixin' to snow (as they say around here). I watch traffic bunch up on I-75 for an hour and decided to split Buckhead at 12:30 pm. The snow started when I hit the interstate. My dashcam: That's nifty. Why do you have a dashcam? In case you have an accident? That's why people have them in Russia. They are very common. Which is why they got so many videos of the Chelyabinsk meteor. - Jed
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That's nifty. Why do you have a dashcam? In case you have an accident? That's why people have them in Russia. They are very common. Which is why they got so many videos of the Chelyabinsk meteor. I remember a scifi novel of an anarchist future society where everyone carried a light sabre (pre Star Wars). Everyone was extremely polite and crime was virtually non-existent. Sort of the same idea. If everyone *knew* they were on someone's dashcam, people would be more polite in their driving. I am posting on my youtube channel cuts of stupid drivers' maneuvers during my commute. A few are there but I have several I have yet to post. I need some better video editing s/w. Secondly, you know those How's my driving signs with a 800 number. Those people are very appreciative of video evidence of reckless (not wreck less) operators of their property. And some companies get an anonymous email with a youtube url from a good Samaritan. My dashcam has actually fallen in price since I bought it: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B2383T4/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i01 comes with a mount; but, you will need a microSD. You can set it to two minute loops with a save button with a 4 Gbyte SD. Or you can record over two hours with a 32 Gb. You can also reduce the vid quality from full HD and get more storage. Hey, imagine catching a meteor and having an exclusive on it!
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Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I remember a scifi novel of an anarchist future society where everyone carried a light sabre (pre Star Wars). Everyone was extremely polite and crime was virtually non-existent. That did not work out well in pre-modern Japan where the samurai carried swords. There were severe penalties for using them. Granted it was safer than most other medieval societies, especially for women travelling alone. It did not work out well in the 19th century wild west where people often carried pistols. Actually, in most towns such as Tombstone it was against the law to carry guns. In Canada it was against the law in all towns and cities back then. They had a much lower crime rate, and a lower murder rate. - Jed
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: That did not work out well in pre-modern Japan where the samurai carried swords. There were severe penalties for using them. Granted it was safer than most other medieval societies, especially for women travelling alone. Well, it *was* fiction; but, when I said everyone carried weapons, it included women. IIRC, they were some of the fiercest fighters.
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Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it *was* fiction; but, when I said everyone carried weapons, it included women. IIRC, they were some of the fiercest fighters. Women used to carry daggers for protection. Not always, the way samurai were always supposed to carry swords. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiken_(dagger) The Japanese version of this article says that women of the samurai class always carried one of these when outside the house, but I doubt that. - Jed
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This turned out to be one of the worst traffic jams in U.S. history. It is not clear to me why it was so bad. Explanations in the mass media do not add up -- Everyone went home at once. Yes, but they do that every day. The schools let out at the same time offices closed. That does not add much to the traffic. Kids go to school at the same time as office workers, but there is not much difference in the morning traffic in summer when school is not in session. It froze. Not until around 5 p.m. as I recall, and traffic was extraordinary around 2 p.m. where I live. The roads here did not have ice until then. They did later. This morning there were many abandoned cars in the neighborhood, parked on lawns and so on. Local roads become impassible. Not until 5 or 6 p.m. People started leaving at 1 p.m. Rush hour should have been largely over 4 hours later. Large trucks jackknifed and blocked traffic. This is the one thing that does seem to have happened on a large scale. I guess it was a sort of mass panic effect. There were some vicious circle feedback loops. There were problems such as blocked lanes which prevented sand trucks from getting through, which caused more blockage. - Jed
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I think a million or so people, including all of the commuters and busses, hit 285, 75/85, GA 400, I-20 at the same time between 12-2. Normally that croud is spread between 2:30-7. I watched the outside temperature drop 10 degrees within a couple of hours from my truck. @ 26 F GA 400 became a sheet of ice. Since the ground was already cold due to our recent cold weather it froze immediately. Vehicles were sliding @ 1 MPH on the highway. I needed a Zamboni. On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This turned out to be one of the worst traffic jams in U.S. history. It is not clear to me why it was so bad. Explanations in the mass media do not add up -- Everyone went home at once. Yes, but they do that every day. The schools let out at the same time offices closed. That does not add much to the traffic. Kids go to school at the same time as office workers, but there is not much difference in the morning traffic in summer when school is not in session. It froze. Not until around 5 p.m. as I recall, and traffic was extraordinary around 2 p.m. where I live. The roads here did not have ice until then. They did later. This morning there were many abandoned cars in the neighborhood, parked on lawns and so on. Local roads become impassible. Not until 5 or 6 p.m. People started leaving at 1 p.m. Rush hour should have been largely over 4 hours later. Large trucks jackknifed and blocked traffic. This is the one thing that does seem to have happened on a large scale. I guess it was a sort of mass panic effect. There were some vicious circle feedback loops. There were problems such as blocked lanes which prevented sand trucks from getting through, which caused more blockage. - Jed
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:59 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, to keep the average, my city, Rio de Janeiro, seems to be hotter every year. I'm glad that all of the heat went from Atlanta to Rio de Janeiro. Out in the Bay area it's almost t-shirt weather. It's quite nice. Eric
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Large trucks jackknifed and blocked traffic. This is the one thing that does seem to have happened on a large scale. Growing up in Colorado, I've come to respect any ice that might be on the road. A note to all the cold-weather novices who are out there driving -- try to get a sense of whether there is black ice on the road (i.e., the road has ice on it, but it doesn't really look like it does). If it does, drive slower than you otherwise would. If you drive too quickly, you can easily send your car into a 40-mph tail-spin as I did once. It ended well, but I learned my lesson. Eric
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ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: I watched the outside temperature drop 10 degrees within a couple of hours from my truck. @ 26 F GA 400 became a sheet of ice. Approximately what time was that? - Jed
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It's both, Jed and Stewie. People panicked but they were driviing slow when the density was low as is evidenced in my vid. I should put the whole drive up. I made the trip quickly because I drove 60 mph while traffic was travelling at 40 mph. I wove in and out in the gaps. I'm sure that I looked crazy. People thought the roads were bad but they weren't. The density gradient was compressed as a result. The roads weren't emptying as fast as normal; so, like a tsunami, the gradient increased rapidly. And, as the roads actually became slick, the motion stopped. At one point midway through it all, newsmen measured the flow rate. It was 100 ft in 40 minutes. Hence, a disaster resulted.
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6-8 pm, 33 degrees at 3 PM when I left, 24 degrees at 8 PM, most of the
drop happened when the Sun set. I think the first few hours of delay were
due to volume, then once all those people became jammed on the highways, it
all turned to a sheet of ice.
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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I watched the outside temperature drop 10 degrees within a couple of
hours from my truck. @ 26 F GA 400 became a sheet of ice.
Approximately what time was that?
- Jed
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ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: 6-8 pm, 33 degrees at 3 PM when I left, 24 degrees at 8 PM, most of the drop happened when the Sun set. That is what I recall. I said it did not freeze until 5 or 6 p.m., which was sundown. There was snow but not a lot of ice. I don't know about the main roads. I was walking around on the side roads. I did not try to drive after 2 p.m. I think the first few hours of delay were due to volume, then once all those people became jammed on the highways, it all turned to a sheet of ice. I guess so, but the total volume of traffic on the highway should not have been more than any other rush hour. Granted, offices let out between 4 and 6 usually, and they all let out at around 1 or 2 p.m. You would think there would be a queue on local roads waiting to get onto the highway, but not much delay after that. However, Terry observed people going slower than necessary on the highway, before there was widespread freezing. That would explain it. - Jed
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The cars melted the snow from 12-5 and then it all froze to ice over the
next couple of hours
On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote:
6-8 pm, 33 degrees at 3 PM when I left, 24 degrees at 8 PM, most of the
drop happened when the Sun set.
That is what I recall. I said it did not freeze until 5 or 6 p.m., which
was sundown. There was snow but not a lot of ice. I don't know about the
main roads. I was walking around on the side roads. I did not try to drive
after 2 p.m.
I think the first few hours of delay were due to volume, then once all
those people became jammed on the highways, it all turned to a sheet of ice.
I guess so, but the total volume of traffic on the highway should not have
been more than any other rush hour. Granted, offices let out between 4 and
6 usually, and they all let out at around 1 or 2 p.m. You would think there
would be a queue on local roads waiting to get onto the highway, but not
much delay after that. However, Terry observed people going slower than
necessary on the highway, before there was widespread freezing. That would
explain it.
- Jed
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Remarkable photos here: http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/01/snow-storms-hit-the-south/100671/
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Here is why Russians have dash-cams. I think these are mainly Russian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqktzCeFcbI So much for the notion that people in Russia know how to drive in the snow. Two final notes. A friend of mine who is a pharmacist at the hospital says that essential staff was ordered to stay there yesterday and today. She and doctors slept in empty patient beds. Fortunately, there was not a single traffic fatality in Atlanta yesterday or today. More than a thousand accidents but no one killed. - Jed
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I averaged 2 miles per hour for 9 hours. I walked the last 1/4 mile faster. Hard to get in a severe traffic accident at that speed On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Here is why Russians have dash-cams. I think these are mainly Russian: Winter Car Crash Compilation 5 NEW - CCC :)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqktzCeFcbI So much for the notion that people in Russia know how to drive in the snow. Two final notes. A friend of mine who is a pharmacist at the hospital says that essential staff was ordered to stay there yesterday and today. She and doctors slept in empty patient beds. Fortunately, there was not a single traffic fatality in Atlanta yesterday or today. More than a thousand accidents but no one killed. - Jed
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Not a dashcam vid; but, one of my fav Russian crash cams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY4jmVfBAyQ
