[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Error in license page
Hi Florian, Andrea, all, let me restate what I wrote on the marketing list - perhaps it helps to solve this problem: Andrea Pescetti wrote: Florian Effenberger wrote: Andrea Pescetti wrote on 2011-08-05 10:30: minimal and straightforward: use the same license indication in http://www.libreoffice.org/download/license/ and in the page footer, i.e., remove the wrong (or later) from the text. hm, I'm not sure, but didn't we have this or later paragraph for new contributions? Wasn't it a combination of LGPLv3 or later and the MPL? See the issue as: - The text of http://www.libreoffice.org/download/license/ reads LGPLv3 (or later) - The footer of the same page reads LGPLv3. - Being different, at least one of them is wrong. I wrote: I agree to your statement that LGPL 3 (or later) is not the license the present LibreOffice product is released under. I'd replace LGPL 3 (or later) by As parts of our code have been licensed under LGPL 3, the full binaries have to be released under this license, even if we aim to LGPL 3 (or later) and MPL in future. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] [Wiki] Allow upload of EPS files to the wiki
Hi wiki admins, all I tried to upload an EPS file to the wiki (the EPS version of the conference logo), but it has been rejected, even if this file type has not been mentioned in the (red colored) list of unallowed uploads. In my eyes EPS uploads should be allowed, as they are necessary for real printed of marketing material and similar stuff. Could you allow .eps files to be uploaded to the wiki or is there any reason I don't know about why we should have to wrap them in .zip files? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-design] reply to existing threads when subscribed late (was: Consistent theme ...)
Hi Florian, all, just recently I discovered how to avoid new threads when you want to reply to an existing mail without having subscribed before: Florian Reisinger schrieb: Sorry for starting a new thread, but I could not reply to the last mail, because I signed up later... [...] You'll have to follow three steps: 1) Find out the message number of the mail you want to reply to. The most easy way is to have a look at the headers: You mail, Florian, contains this Return-Path: design+bounces-2685-[my_mail_address]@global.libreoffice.org The number in this path is the mail number. 2) Send a single mail request to the mailserver. This is easily to be done by sending an empty mail to design+get-[mail_number]@global.libreoffice.org (for your mail it would be design+get-2...@global.libreoffice.org ) 3) Reply to the mail you receive (which should be the original mail). As reply to the original message your reply will be positioned in the thread at the right place. I don't know if this works even without being subscribed (in my eyes it should work nevertheless), but for subscribed people it works. If this might be helpful for others too, it could be added to the wiki and written in a way applicable to all the LibreOffice lists. Therefore I CC'd the website list (should be the right place for follow-ups) - perhaps someone is interested in doing this... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] adding more content to the Paris conference pages
Hi Charles, * Charles-H. Schulz schrieb: David, Christian, Le Thu, 7 Jul 2011 15:05:54 +0300, David Nelsonli...@traduction.biz a écrit : Hi Christian, *, Thanks for the information and the link to the readme. I'll study this and will post back when I have created a wiki page of instructions (~24 hrs). Then we could maybe decide on when to make the News module a live and working link in the libreoffice.org menu. Do let me know about the banner :-) If there is a chance to get the news module life, I agree with Christoph [1] to follow David's third option: I'd suggest again rolling out that News section, where we could give a lot more room to initiatives such as these,... [2] I don't know if it is possible to include graphics in the news section, what would be even more eye-catching than just a text and link. While the conference itself should go on the header, the news section is a better place for the CfP and other conference related news and contribution requests. I'd keep the header for information targeted to the overall public: On the one hand similar to tiny press releases - with links to more information. On the other hand donation request or any other information we want to be kept aware in the outer public area. The conference is oriented towards the community. The Call for Papers information might be relevant to every community member. It is nor relevant to our present users, potential users and other visitors of our website. Nevertheless I'd support a button containing the Conference logo combined with a badge Submit your paper! or something similar like you already mentioned on the design list. [3] This button could be positioned on places where community members are likely to go: The wiki and other collaborative tools we use in different teams (documentation, translation, website development, developer tools etc). Even external areas of interest (for developers or any other team might get such a button. Best regards Bernhard [1]: http://go.mail-archive.com/lD9e2-LiWZ_GdYzSzgSsV4n62Yk= [2]: http://go.mail-archive.com/-Ju0K37r_qvLbpmRAA5b-BOQkm8= [3]: http://go.mail-archive.com/COxnS5uNMdt0Bwsd3x9IYF7SYYk= -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Wrong message count in TDF mail archive?
Hi admins, all, I tried to send a link to get a specific mail (in order to reply in the thread) and found something interesting: The mail message number at the TDF mail archive is not the message number in the mails header and thus not the one to be used to get a specific mail. Example: If you want to get the last mail Christian sent to this list, just have a look in the archive - it is this mail: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/msg05319.html But the mails header tells me as Return-Path: website+bounces-5336-bernhard=familie-dippold...@global.libreoffice.org And I would get the mail by sending an empty mail to website+get-5...@global.libreoffice.org So here is the difference 17 mails. On the design list it's 8 mails: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/msg02422.html refers to (Return-Path) design+bounces-2430-bernhard=familie-dippold...@global.libreoffice.org and can be got via design+get-2...@global.libreoffice.org Are there some mails stripped from the archives? Perhaps test mails from the first beginning? Should we provide consistent mail numbers, allowing people to refer to the right mail numbers from the archive? Best regards Bernhard design+get-2...@global.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Wrong message count in TDF mail archive?
Hi Christian, * Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Hi Bernhard, *, On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: The mail message number at the TDF mail archive is not the message number in the mails header and thus not the one to be used to get a specific mail. The archiving is done by a different software than the mailinglist handling. So not sure whether there is a way to guarantee consistency even if we tried. That was one of the reasons to add the mail-archive.com headers [...] Should we provide consistent mail numbers, allowing people to refer to the right mail numbers from the archive? Referring to mails by ID like that is very fragile, better use msg-id or a hash like from mail-archive.com, that way you can restore them. I wanted to find an easy way to get the msg-number in order to reply to any message even if I haven't been subscribed to the mailing list when the mail had been sent. With the [list]+get-[msg-number]@[subsite].libreoffice.org message retrieval this is possible, with mail-archive.com it's just a reference. But as I found out that the number is part of the header (in Return-Path), I can handle this without the need for synchronized archives. I don't know if there is a wiki page on mailing list subjects, but if there is, it might be worthwhile to add a phrase about the get function and the place where to find the message number. [...] Thank you for the fast and helpful reply! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Cross reference: Discussion on consistent UI theme for screenshots on the design list
Hi all, just to inform you: due to a variety of recommendations for UI themes to be used for official screenshots I'd like to search for a consensus on *one* consistent UI theme for screenshots to be used on - documentation (and it's localizations) - website - marketing material - press kit - DVD (LibOBox) ... Because consistency is important for our Visual Identity and our perception in public, I sent a mail to the disc...@global.libreoffice.org mailing list to collect ideas on three points: 1) how such a UI theme should look like 2) what other conditions should be met 3) which existing UI theme would serve best as standard for screenshots If you are interested in this topic, please have a look at the thread in one of the following archives: http://go.mail-archive.com/TXSpNt-sS7ybaKqPA4TPuaFZriU= or http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg02422.html or http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/VI-Consistent-theme-for-screenshots-tt3100955.html For a direct reply to the mail please ask the mail server to send you the mail with an empty mail to design+get-2...@global.libreoffice.org I'll moderate your mail, if you aren't subscribed to the design list. But please be aware that you won't get the replies to the list too (so use the archives above). Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] One click to download 3.3.3
Hi Kendy, Cor, all, sorry for stepping in so late - being busy with reading tons of mails and marking important ones... Cor Nouws schrieb: Hi all, Jan Holesovsky wrote (16-06-11 18:31) 1) Change the main page as following: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/libreoffice/libreoffice-home.png 2) Add the same download button (Get LibreOffice 3.3.3 for Windows) to the http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ page too; for fast access. So - any objections to the proposed change of the main page, please? Adding direct download buttons to the main page and the download page is in fact an important point for 1-click-and-buy users. But we definitely need to anticipate *what* they want to get - otherwise the (huge) download is worth nothing but a reason for distrust and negative public recognition for LibreOffice. And at least the people I know (there are a few with such an attitude) want to get: - a really stable office suite - in their language - including offline help - with a single installer (not having more than a few steps) (without unnecessary bits and parts, if they find out the reason for the large download) Providing the one-click download button is one of the preconditions for more downloads and happy users, but something like an opportunity to download the help during the installation process (and perhaps just the language packs and wordbooks in the installed languages too) would be necessary too. One positive side effect of the proposal is that it helps getting people the most stable current version, 3.3.3. +1 (even if this can be done with the current website design too) (And not so easy 3.4.0 without thinking about what they do) However, at a certain point we have to choose to change from 3.3.x to 3.4.x on the main page. And thus think about how to visually inform visitors about that change (and the still present choice for them to stay with 3.3.x) It's our task to show the people the differences between the different versions. And it's a marketing task to define which version fits best for which target group. We didn't define by now when we recommend home and business users to switch from LibO 3.3.x to LibO 3.4.y. This has to be done by our marketing based on the user experiences with the previous versions (for LibO 3.4 I think we'll have to wait for 3.4.2). Is this detect the OS of user? such as Ubuntu user will get link to ubuntu version, etc... No, the proposal is to provide a download button for windows only, and an additional link other versions. I am far from sure that it is OK to mention Windows, handling users of another OS as second class... Why not make that 'button' adapting itself, as on the OOo home page? This is very important if we don't want to get more negative public feedback. Why should we present a Windows download button to Linux or Mac OS X users? And yes, my objection is that you don't have help included in the download Indeed - so with help it could be done so that together with the start of the download, a webpage can open with something like Thank you for downloading LibreOffice x.y.z! You might be also interested in downloading help: [language chooser for the help]. Is this possible with SilverStripe? That might be possible. Another option could be changing the installer, so that after installation people get informed about additional Help to download if they so wish. I'd prefer this way (but not after, but included in the installer) (let alone that you make the other OS second class citizens Yes; on Linux, my preferred approach is that people should be encouraged to use their distro offering. But of course this still leaves the Mac OSX users without 1st class access to the downloads, that's true. Don't like the idea to 'discriminate' non Windows users. So there is potential improvement in the proposal, but IMO some more gain within reach, and thought about the nearby future needed, before implementing. This topic has already been addressed not only by the design team (see Nik's mockup here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:PROP_DownloadsPage_110606NS.jpg) but by native lang teams too (like http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/LODownload). We need to co-ordinate it here and invite design and marketing team to contribute their expertise. Is anybody here able to spend some time on this topic, invite the other teams and make this improvement come true during the next week(s)? If so, please raise your hand! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Mumble and OpenMeetings servers
Hi Marc, * Marc Paré schrieb: [...] OpenMeetings makes use of Java and Flash. I played with it a bit and it crashed my Firefox a couple of times -- I am not sure which was the culprit, but as Craig Olofson mentioned in one of our correspondence, Flash is most likely the reason. If it crashes different members at random times, it could be enough to throw off the meeting. We should get a team of 5-6 people to meet and to test it out to see how robust it is. Right. I think we should give it a try on one design topic as a test case. I do find at times the re-draws a little laggy. But, it is still cool to be able to use all these tools at the same time. In the past (OOo Art/Branding project) we used IRC chats with document uploads at various (public) places. We haven't been able to mark any specific point at the documents so had to describe what we meant. If OpenMeetings work reliably (I didn't have any issues when I had a short look at it - Ubuntu 11.04 with SeaMonkey 2.0.14), this might be a huge improvement for interactive design work. Re: meeting and average number of participants. I have been at all meetings with the marketing team as well as all NA Community meetings and there are usually 5 or less participants. Only a couple of times were there any more than 5-6 and even then some were just there to listen in. I am not sure how many people have sat in on design conferences. Have there been any design conferences? Not yet here at LibreOffice, but I don't think the numbers are much higher. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Mumble and OpenMeetings servers
Hi Alex, all Alexander Werner schrieb: Hi Marc, Bernhard, *, Am 10.06.2011 23:02, schrieb Marc Paré: Le 2011-06-10 15:42, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : Hi Marc, all, Marc Paré wrote: Are people still evaluating these servers? I'd really like to try OpenMeetings (and perhaps Mumble, even if I prefer not to install a local client) for the Design Team, where we need direct discussion as well as shared files (graphical mockups etc) for online work. Unfortunately my last info in this topic was that there would be a bug OpenMeetings account creation and therefore nobody could test the application already installed on our servers. The registration at OpenMeetings should be fixed now. Thanks a lot! Could I also be added to the servers so that I can test these? Just go to http://vm3.documentfoundation.org:5080/openmeetings/ and register there. Then drop me a short mail and I will give you admin rights. I re-registered, but didn't get a confirmation mail. But when I tried to login, it worked (and looking at the date of my registration it will probably have worked all the time since I tried first...). So only the confirmation mail seems to be caught by any SPAM filter on the way to my inbox. If you install a local client you might be able to join Mumble (I didn't read about anybody here having started to explore it). Right now, nobody but me is registered on the Mumble server. If I read the documentation right, Mumble only provides audio conferences, but no shared documents. As these are important for the design team, I'd probably stay with OpenMeetings. Thanks for your work, Alex! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Mumble and OpenMeetings servers
Hi Marc, all, Marc Paré wrote: Are people still evaluating these servers? I'd really like to try OpenMeetings (and perhaps Mumble, even if I prefer not to install a local client) for the Design Team, where we need direct discussion as well as shared files (graphical mockups etc) for online work. Unfortunately my last info in this topic was that there would be a bug OpenMeetings account creation and therefore nobody could test the application already installed on our servers. Is there any update on this topic? Could I also be added to the servers so that I can test these? If you install a local client you might be able to join Mumble (I didn't read about anybody here having started to explore it). When OpenMeetings login would work, I'd be happy to join you there... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] conference website
Hi Christian, * Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Hi *, On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Christian Lohmaier schrieb: [...] If you want to play around yourself (with firefox or chormes/your browser's web-tools): http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/ Simlified that a little - to switch to the conference logo, add the class=Conference to the TopHeader div. Do you want to add this to the life site too? This would allow to modify the logo depending to our needs in future (and might be different for different language teams?) I did also change it to crop 15 px from the left, so that it is not shifted too the right as much (compared to the non-conference logo). I added an enlarged whitespace, because the conference part is higher than the main logo. By cropping the image you reduced the whitespace in vertical direction, so it is consequent to reduce it in horizontal direction too. See it live: http://conference.libreoffice.org/ Thanks for making this come true! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] conference website
Hi Christian, Charles, all Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Hi Charles, On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: 2011/5/27 Charles-H. Schulzcharles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Le Fri, 27 May 2011 16:55:30 +0200, Christian Lohmaierlohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com a écrit : On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Here's the final and approved logo: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Conf-logo.zip We can upload it. This file contains wrong colors in RGB based images (at least SVG, perhaps PNG) because of CMYK-RGB conversion. Sorry, but where do you want to upload it? The files in the zip all are huge, too huge for the website. 2479 x 552 pixel, but the maximum width to use on the homepage is 890 pixels wide. Also they have a dpi of 300, that is not needed for the web. So for use on the website, the images would have to be scaled, but I'd rather have versions created in the appropriate dimensions from the source images. Can you give me the necessary sizes for the website? The CSS shows a height 45 px for the main logo - with the broader Conference logo the width will have to be adapted. Shall I create such a logo? I guess you want it in the top-left, instead of where the LO logo is now, you want to have the dual logo - and I guess you want it on all *.libreoffice.org pages, right? Sorry, I don't understand: You want to replace the standard LibO logo by the conference logo on all the present pages on www.libreoffice.org? This could and should be done as promotional action for the conference - in October. Perhaps it could be done for a short time with the announcement of the CfP and when application for the conference starts. But perhaps I misunderstood you and you wanted it to replace the standard logo only on the http://conference.libreoffice.org website. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] conference website
Hi Christian, Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Hi Bernhard, *, On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: [...] Shall I create such a logo? Yes, that would be great. Here you are: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:ConferenceLogo2011Paris_thumb.png Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] OOo extension adaption (was: Re: Fw: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice Extensions repository)
Hi Alex, all Alexander Thurgood schrieb: Le 29/05/11 00:42, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : [...] While we are on the question of extensions, it may be worthwhile to remember that Sun/Oracle regularly had to rebuild many of its own extensions to keep them in sync with the latest code developments and release versions. These synched releases were made available at the same time as the version release of OOo. Currently, LibreOffice does not provide such synching, other than for the bundled extensions. This means that some extensions that were part and parcel of OOo usage for many users, will either fail to install with current or future releases or else will fail to function correctly with the developments integrated into the latest LibO release. What are people's thoughts on this matter ? I don't think that you reach the people able to work on this topic here on the website mailing list. If there are developers interested in synchronizing dedicated extensions, you might find them on the dev list. But if you know that some extensions important to you don't work with LibreOffice, the best way to tell the developers is to create a wiki page listing them and/or a bug report (perhaps a meta bug collecting the bugs for every single extension) in bugzilla. With such resources it is more likely that some developers might pick it up. Perhaps these adaptions could be considered as Easy-Hacks - not being a developer I don't know about the necessary preconditions. Unfortunately Oracle's contribution to OpenOffice.org seems to fade, so it is not likely that any extension will be adapted to future OOo versions (if there might be any). So this is probably the only way to to use them in future, if you don't want to stick with old OOo versions (probably without security fixes)... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Fw: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice Extensions repository
Hi Thorsten, all Thorsten Behrens schrieb: Hi Michael, all, hm, so it seems this demo site is causing a bit of confusion - what was the plan again, for that url? - Forwarded message from Tantai Tanakanoktan...@osdev.co.th - Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:07:47 +0700 From: Tantai Tanakanoktan...@osdev.co.th Subject: [Libreoffice] LibreOffice Extensions repository Hi all, I found http://libreofficeaustralia.org/download/extensions. Is it the new extensions repository for LibreOffice? If yes, should I start posting my extensions to this site? The present testing site for extensions is http://extensions-test.libreoffice.org/libreoffice-extensions maintained by Andreas Mantke, as he posted here some weeks ago: http://go.mail-archive.com/eP66iIyVTj2uK5mwEOEQwRvl4kw= I don't know about the state of this site, so I can't tell you if we should tell people to upload their extensions there. There has been a discussion about uploading extensions to the wiki (IIRC), but I can't find it anymore. Just be aware that the extension site at OOo (http://extensions.services.openoffice.org) we link via the FSF wiki (http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:OpenOfficeExtensions/List) seems to have some problems from time to time: At the moment I need to reload the pages tree or four times until I get any data... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] RC download page - better listing for Linux possible?
Hi all, as we provide our latest RC on the website http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ I'd like to know if it is possible to change the order of the listing with the different files for download on Linux PC: It starts with LibO-URE_3.4re2_Linux_..._install... LibO_3.4.0rc2_Linux_..._install... LibO_3.4.0rc2_Linux_..._langpack... LibO_3.4.0rc2_Linux_..._helppack... Could we move the URE package at the last position? I could imagine people not to look too close at the file name, but download the first install version they see... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Wiki: File removed?
Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Hi Bernhard, *, On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: I just edited the description of a file I uploaded (as I did several times in the past), but now the file itself seems to be removed (at least on Firefox and SeaMonkey). Hmm cannot reproduce, as http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Community_flyer_10x18cm_page2-4.svg This page shows the file - the svg-rendering results in garbage, but the png-preview below is OK (the PNG is a thumbnail of a different file ;-) ) Seems to work again here too. Don't know what the problem was. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Wiki: File removed?
Hi all, I just edited the description of a file I uploaded (as I did several times in the past), but now the file itself seems to be removed (at least on Firefox and SeaMonkey). http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Community_flyer_10x18cm_page2-4.svg When you click on the previous versions, the file is still there. I didn't use any WYSIWYG editor, so I shouldn't be hit by the editor change. Does this mean that you can't edit file descriptions any more? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: On forums for LibreOffice
Hi David, * David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) I've updated the Getting Help page on LibreOffice.org with links to some external forums, and also added information about the Nabble gateway to put it forward more prominently. See [1]. [1] http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/ You're sure you did this in compliance with the communty's wishes? If I remember correctly the discussion on forums stated already some months ago that it doesn't seem to be reasonable to send people off to different forums. Diversification leads to split power and costs resources (not only physical, but man-power too). It's great that you start involving the community in your decisions. But it would be even better, if this could be done beforehand. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Wiki menu template additions
Hi Klaus-Jürgen, Christoph, all, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol schrieb: Hi Christoph, Am 22.04.2011 00:59, schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi all, sorry that I'm almost 24h late here ... You are not 24h late but -let me say - 1 month 8 days and some hours: http://go.mail-archive.com/DtDPjL-JNPlaO7POa6MjE7OX_-M= The German discussion was quite earlier. I can search for it if you want it. I know about the discussion (brought it there from this list here, where a need for a way to get back to the website after coming unintentionally to the wiki was seen), but I didn't comment it later on, because other tasks seemed to be more important to me... just a question: Is there a real need for having such a huge menu bar with 4 lines? I don't like it either, but I will not be able to contribute to a discussion on improving the situation. I can work (just scroll down the page whenever it has been loaded again), so I stay active on my other tasks and leave this minor annoyance alone ... And without being able to contribute more, I'm quiet... Sorry - I'd love to have more time to spend :-( Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Plague Captcha (was: Membership application form)
Hi Friedrich, * Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: Hi Sophie, *, Sophie Gautier schrieb: On 07/04/2011 12:43, Erich Christian wrote: [.. community membership form ..] Do you wish to have recaptcha activated? Could we try fist without and see? If we get spam, then yes we will activate it, but I would like to try without /me don't like recaptcha ;-) +17 Instead of the plague of casually receiving spam, all people involved without exception are plagued by the captcha - a bad bargain in my opinion. This should be only a decision by the Membership Committee: They are the ones who receive the spam - and neither you nor I can know about the number of mails then. If spam starts to hinder their work, recaptcha should be activated in my opinion. As every community member will not have to fill the membership form more often than once a year, the plague of reading the recaptcha signs should not be too hard... (If accessibility would be a topic, the MC could think of a mail request for disabled people). When I had to decide between a few seconds more work for hundred(s) people once a year and spending even more time every day (summing up to a reasonable amount of time over the year), I would know what to choose. But as I already said: This is up to the Membership Committee (and Sophie already posted her decision - for the moment). Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: File Types
Hi Hillar, all moving this topic to the website list: Hillar asks for the possibility to upload .OTP Impress templates to the wiki. Could one of the wiki admins add this filetype? (I don't have Mike Schinagl's mail address here at work, so I can't CC him directly) Best regards Bernhard Hillar Liiv wrote: I was refering to wiki. .otp (the impress template) is not allowed there. I can't upload my templates. Hillar 2011/4/6 Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com Hi Hillar! Am Mittwoch, den 06.04.2011, 00:14 +0300 schrieb Hillar Liiv: Is it possible to add .otp and if something more missing to allowed list uploads list? Sorry, maybe I don't understand your question ... do you refer to the wiki, or to the mailing lists? The wiki tells me: Preferred file types: png, gif, jpg, jpeg, ogg, ogv, oga, pdf, odb, odg, odp, ods, odt, ott, oxt, mp3, zip, tar.gz, tgz, svg, docx, doc, dot, xlsx, xls, xlt, pptx, ppt, mdb, svgz. Prohibited file types: html, htm, js, jsb, mhtml, mht, xhtml, xht, php, phtml, php3, php4, php5, phps, shtml, jhtml, pl, py, cgi, exe, scr, dll, msi, vbs, bat, com, pif, cmd, vxd, cpl. [...] -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-design] DFD banner for our website
Hi Klaus-Jürgen, As time becomes too short for any design decision, I move this discussion back to the website list, because the banner should be uploaded ASAP. Please follow-up there... I agree: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol schrieb: [...] We only put the right banner for the next two days: Removing the (more or less outdated) challenge banner seems to be reasonable. As DFD is tomorrow, we will not loose too many donations, when we only provide a small banner for DFD. But if we just want to show the small DFD banner, I think it is more reasonable to use the official DFD banner instead of a I uploaded the 120x60px version from the DFD 2011 artwork page to our wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:DFD_Banner_120x60.png Can one of our admins replace the current banner with the DFD banner (moved to the right) ? And remove it on Thursday, when DFD is over? I'd prefer to have a Keep on donating banner there as well, but your comment is reasonable: The problem is: We should not decide about the banner in a fast way. This banner (without the DFD but with the text) should be our banner for the next time. We must/want to change the current banner and develop a new. So we should have only the DFD banner for tomorrow - and no banner at all until we have created a new Donate!-Banner. Any comments, objections, better ideas (to be implemented in this very short timeframe)? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Admin task: DFD banner for today
Hi all, website admins, today is Document Freedom Day 2011. Even if not many people took part in the discussion on replacing the present donation banner by a dedicated DFD banner, we didn't get any objections. Therefore I ask one of the site admins to replace the donation banner by this (smaller) banner: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:DFD_Banner_120x60.png It should be placed at the right end of the present banner (this means to start 480 px higher than the existing banner) and link to http://documentfreedom.org/2011/ From tomorrow on we could use the existing banner or (my preference) don't show any banner at all, until we have created an new donation banner. Best regards and thanks in advance Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Table of contents on Wiki
Hi Daniel, all Daniel Gonzalez schrieb: Hi Guys I would like to know how I can add a table of contents Contentsto a wiki page, anyone know anything about this? Just add __FORCETOC__ (with two sublines at the beginning and the end) anywhere on your page. If you want to place the ToC at a certain point of the page, put __TOC__ at this place. To avoid a Table of Contents, add __NOTOC__. For reference: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ#How_do_I_add_a_table_of_contents.3F Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Mail size restrictions?
Hi Florian, Christian, all I don't know if this is relevant to more people, but I experienced that one of my (text only) mails has been rejected by the mail server due to the size limit of 32768 bytes. I know that such long mails are rarely read, but in some cases it is necessary to include a long mail and reply to nearly every part of it. In my Sent-folder the mail has a size of 29980 bytes (so it should have passed), but on it's way to the mail server it seems to be enlarged to 150%. The mails I finally managed to send to the design list are these: http://go.mail-archive.com/LBCwC1nmjJvLFnpzj9yMTpRJ5f0= (sent: 18 kB, received: 27 kB) and http://go.mail-archive.com/fK4c8J1HNTgyJMRsBSjfrajctwE= (sent 11 kB, received: 18 kB) I don't know if I'll send another mail as long as this one to the list again - but if, I don't want to spend even more time to cut the mail into parts... Would it be reasonable to increase the restriction to a larger file size? Perhaps something like 48kB (resulting in 32 kB pure mail)? Best regards Bernhard PS: If someone wants to get the original mail, please tell me, I'll send it directly to your mail address. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Wiki Help-Editing does not exist
Hi Florian, * Florian Reisinger schrieb: If you edit a wiki page you can see the linkBearbeitungshilfe in the right bottom of a page [1] (I do not know the English meaning - sorry) Is there really no page like this or is the link false. The page is called Editing help, but it didn't exist in English too. I just created a three-line page providing a link to the Mediawiki help - a source I have to use over and over again... Best regards Bernhard [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Help:Editing -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Euro-formatting on banner [was: Challenge site damaged]
Hi David, * it seems that I have to spend more time on explaining you what I mean than to work on more important topics :-( David Nelson schrieb: Hi, :-) On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 20:17, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Is usage of the separator *mandatory* in every English-speaking country in the world? Well, it *is* the universal convention in every English-speaking country... Your opinion seems to be as well founded as my on the euro sign... South Africa seems to use the European convention. Please read the wikipedia article and the links there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark#Digit_grouping ... the space is recommended in the SI/ISO 31-0 standard, and the International Bureau of Weights and Measures states that for numbers with many digits the digits may be divided into groups of three by a thin space, in order to facilitate reading. Neither dots nor commas are inserted in the spaces between groups of three... Mandatory? Well, Interpol does not issue arrest warrants in case of contraventions, so you will still be able to travel safely... I wanted to know about the possibility to group larger numbers without separator and hoped for your knowledge to keep my time for topics my work might me more important than searching Internet for official English So finally, the right answer is No - it is not mandatory, it should be avoided in international usage. Exactly what I thought to be the best compromise. [...] The original suggestion was for *you* to alter the banner, but... Your proposed change was wrong for an international approach, so I have been right to ask back. And I wrote here that I didn't have access to my computer yesterday, so I haven't been able to do any change until this morning. Here is the file I created now - moved the € sign in front of the numbers and replaced the digit group separator by a space: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Next_banner_600x60_empty1.png Feel free to replace the original background image - I probably don't have the necessary rights to upload it to the right place (I can access /assets/ in SilverStripe, but not /themes/). Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Euro-formatting on banner [was: Challenge site damaged]
Hi David, all, no need to CC me personally - this leads to offlist communication when I reply to the PM instead of the mail sent to the list. David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) By the way, could you Design guys please maybe fix the banner? A sum of money expressed in English with the euro sign should be formatted exactly like this: €50,000 The formatting you mention (50.000 €) has been introduced by Florian, while I prefer EUR 50 000 for international sites. (Notice the comma separator for the thousands, and the prefixed euro symbol. The point/dot/period is a *decimal separator*.) As the comma separator shows the same problems in other parts of the world as the point in your understanding, we should avoid both on the international site. 50 000 is easy to recognize by everybody. And the Euro sign € is not the officially approved currency symbol by the European Union and might be not understood / wrongly formatted in other parts of the world. Therefore I prefer EUR. I can't work on the banner today (not at my own computer), but I'll try tomorrow, if we can reach an agreement on the wording. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Euro-formatting on banner [was: Challenge site damaged]
Hi David, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 19:22, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: By the way, could you Design guys please maybe fix the banner? A sum of money expressed in English with the euro sign should be formatted exactly like this: €50,000 (Notice the comma separator for the thousands, and the prefixed euro symbol. The point/dot/period is a *decimal separator*.) As the comma separator shows the same problems in other parts of the world as the point in your understanding, we should avoid both on the international site. 50 000 is easy to recognize by everybody. My 2 cents would be that since the language being used in the banner is English, it would be a good idea to conform to *English* conventions. The comma separator for thousands and the point/period/dot for the decimal separator is the convention in every English-speaking country in the world. Is usage of the separator *mandatory* in every English-speaking country in the world? There are lots of languages where we don't have a localized page - and we don't have localized banners at all. So if there is a possibility to avoid the impression of a donation of just € 50 while using right English, I'd vote for it. And the Euro sign € is not the officially approved currency symbol by the European Union and might be not understood / wrongly formatted in other parts of the world. Therefore I prefer EUR. Read this, Bernhard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_sign Or maybe the European Commission is not really worthy of serious consideration? You never sound cynical - do you ? It's a great pleasure to discuss with you - but I can add smileys too ;-) I remembered the official text on the plural usage we discussed some time ago: http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/publications/publication6336_en.pdf There you can read: The official abbreviation, according to ISO 4217, for 'euro' is 'EUR' in all languages. But you're right, that the € sign has been introduced by the European Commission, so my comment proved wrong: It is the officially approved symbol for EUR. So sorry for my misinterpretation - you can use € if you don't want/need to use the ISO code. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Presentation and Request
Hi Daniel, all, as your mail seems to come through twice, I'd ask everybody to keep replies in the other thread started twenty minutes earlier than the mail here. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Presentation and Request
Hi Erich, * Erich Christian schrieb: Hi Bernhard, * Am 26.02.2011 23:27, schrieb Bernhard Dippold: as your mail seems to come through twice, I'd ask everybody to keep replies in the other thread started twenty minutes earlier than the mail here. Sorry, but I do not see another thread (do you mean this list?), I replied to the one and only mail from Daniel available to me. Here I see two of them: Your reply was sent in the thread started with this mail http://go.mail-archive.com/saaqEJa0xIJvE5uoc395t1XoJcE= (sent 03:24 last night - our Austrian time ;-)) while we reply now to a mail sent at 03:44: http://go.mail-archive.com/oLiIvGAuE15Qbfm-lYF-TDC4vZY= If your (and my) mails are visible in the same thread at your - no problem for me. I just wanted to keep the information together... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Fundraising banner and days remaining
Hi Marc, * Marc Paré schrieb: I noticed that the new banner no longer counts down the remaining days. Could we mention this on a page somewhere on the Challenge site? In my understanding the countdown was meant for the last time to decide, if we can manage to establish the foundation in Germany or if we should have a look for other countries. As we definitively reached the financial goal, I don't see the necessity to inform people about this date any longer. With the donated money the process to establish the foundation can probably be started earlier. As we ask for donations supporting our ongoing work and tasks, I don't think that a date should fix any end point - we will need donations in future too... BTW ... how many days are remaining? The date mentioned has been 21st of March, so this should be 23 days. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website
Hi Marc, all, Marc Paré schrieb: Le 2011-02-22 16:46, Matt Sturgeon a écrit : I'm assuming this date clashes with the challenge? Yes, Date of DFD is March 30th. Now that I look at the LibreOffice site there isn't much space on the actual site to do this kind of thing except for the Challenge banner area. I guess there may not be any space to show our support for DFD other than on a page which would not give it enough presence IMO. This would be an entry for a news section on the homepage - where we can point to our PRs as well. But as we only provide News from the TDF Blog, I think the DFD should be mentioned there... (I'm quite sure that one of the SC members would be interested to provide a blog entry.) A PR might inform about the variety of local activities by LibreOffice community members. I read some comments on the marketing site, but would like to have them collected at the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DFD Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website
Hi Matt, Marc, all, Matt Sturgeon schrieb: [...] But maybe post a banner somewhere on the homepage (or if we find nowhere, then full width banner) for a single day in addition? I'd like to see a banner on the day, but for the longer-term promotion a blog-post saying the day is coming up is more suitable. I personally don't like a full width banner - not even for one single day. Even if we support ODF to the best of our possibilities, to me it is not more important than LibreOffice itself (I know that others might disagree on this point). Therefore I don't want to see a banner putting our logo even more in the background than we already do with the present banner. And removing more space on the page content in height should be avoided IMHO. On my screen the content has only 490px in height on the main page and the second level navigation reduces it for another 35 px. Adding a full width banner (assuming it would be only 60 px high) would reduce the visible content here by at least 12% - with a higher banner (90px is much more likely including any necessary whitespace) this would go up to nearly 20%. What would be possible: As the fundraising will be finished on March 21st, a new banner could be created for the DFD day on March 30th replacing the other (new) banner with thank you for funding our foundation - and keep on donating for just one day. But at the moment I don't have the time to work on this... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Document Freedom Day banner on our website
Hi Matt, Matt Sturgeon schrieb: On 22 February 2011 22:52, Bernhard Dippoldbernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: As the fundraising will be finished on March 21st, a new banner could be created for the DFD day on March 30th replacing the other (new) banner with thank you for funding our foundation - and keep on donating for just one day. Oh, the funding will be finished by then? Great. I should have paid more attention to the dates. Link me to the site where DFD's banners are, and I'll knock something up to replace the current banner for a few days. Mark already sent a link somewhere: http://documentfreedom.org/2011/artwork.de.html In the mean time, how many days can we sacrifice our donate banner for? And should we put a text link Donate now somewhere? Alternatively, I could attempt to design two banners (a reduced width donate now banner, and a DFD banner) to sit side-by-side from March 22 to March 30. I would like to see a Thank you (and keep on donating) banner in full width for at least one week. So I'd propose to have a small DFD banner (just the logo and March 30th at it's side) together with a smaller Thank you banner for the (29th and) 30th March. We would have to create a dedicated DFD page (perhaps the wiki page) where we can link from the DFD banner, containing information on local activities and a link to the DFD page. But this seems to have a bit more time, so I'll put this task to the heap of later to be worked on topics... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Banner for website
Hi Marc, Christoph, Nik, all, Marc Paré schrieb: Le 2011-02-18 18:57, Christoph Noack a écrit : Hi Nik, all! Am Samstag, den 19.02.2011, 02:06 +1100 schrieb Nik: I've created 2 cartoon images that might be useful (or maybe not =). It's a piggy-bank and a coin-stack, they aren't great or many, but it's all I could get done in a couple of hours =( When I showed the piggy-bank to my girlfriend, she instantly mentioned that a cloverleaf is missing ... to us, it's a symbolism for luck and prosperity [1] :-) I thought it might fit - since it would provide a great connection to the LibreOffice green, so I've created a quick draft (nothing thrilling). I picked a cloverleaf at OpenClipart.org, adapted the colors, adapted it and ... here is a draft. Along with the LibreOffice logo to show how it might fit together on the website: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dbhBrQXYlkf78ytr5H-VeQ?feat=directlink Could you provide the SVG source? Thanks in advance :-) Thoughts? What about a coin looking partially out of the piggy-bank? Cheers, Christoph [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clover#Symbolism_and_mythology Looks great! Could you also make one with the LibreOffice logo without the TDF underneath. This will give us some more options. Of course another piggy without the logo so that we can also position it strategically on any marketing materials. I like the idea of the clover. If this works we could maybe adopt the clover leaf as one of our additional LibreOffice symbols. This might be possible - not as a main visual element, but as an addition... Perhaps the right upper corner could show a bent leaf ;-) Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Banner for website
Marc Paré schrieb: Le 2011-02-19 08:27, Christoph Noack a écrit : Hi Bernhard, hi Marc! Am Samstag, den 19.02.2011, 13:13 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: I thought it might fit - since it would provide a great connection to the LibreOffice green, so I've created a quick draft (nothing thrilling). I picked a cloverleaf at OpenClipart.org, adapted the colors, adapted it and ... here is a draft. Along with the LibreOffice logo to show how it might fit together on the website: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dbhBrQXYlkf78ytr5H-VeQ?feat=directlink Could you provide the SVG source? Of course, I just was unsure whether I will get burned for the idea ;-) I've uploaded the file with the same name Nik provided initially: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:TDF_donationCartoons.svg In context: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/FoundationChallenge#Proposals Cheers, Christoph Hi Christoph I can't see the file ... is there something wrong or am I doing something wrong. I can see the original page. I'm using FireFox. Sometimes the wiki is not able to create a preview of the SVG file, so it just states: Error creating thumbnail The file itself is linked from the page. The direct link is http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/5/56/TDF_donationCartoons.svg Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Banner for website
Christoph Noack schrieb: [...] I still wonder whether our MediaWiki filters default sizes for banners ... none of the exported files gets displayed, grrr. It seems as if external images are not displayed - IIRC there must be an extension allowing this. But I don't know why you didn't link the images directly (with double square brackets) - I did it (hope you like it) and it works quite well... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Donation banner for supporting websites
Hi Marc, all, Marc Paré schrieb: There was talk of making the donation banner available for an enterprise interested in displaying the donation banner on their website. Are we going to make a banner available for downloading for other enterprises or individuals who would be interested in supporting LibreOffice by displaying a banner for the fundraiser? Yes - this should be our very next step. I'd like to see a banner that points external people not only to the foundation, but to LibreOffice in general. It should follow our Branding Guidelines, provide the necessary information for external people and attract them to follow the link to our page. Christoph's summary in the wiki (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/FoundationChallenge) is a great starting point for this task - thank you very much. If so, as well as having a large banner, could we also offer a smaller banner and also a square banner for left or right positioning on a site? A nice variety of banners would be nice. What do you think of: 728x90 px 468x60 px 300x250 px 180x150 px 125x125 px With the different sizes we should probably provide different slogans: short: Join the Challenge! Help Us Funding the Foundation! middle: The Challenge: EUR 50 000 for the Foundation. Donate now for an independent LibreOffice community. longer: The LibreOffice Challenge: EUR 50 000 for the Foundation. Donate now for an effective, efficient, transparent, and inclusive community. (based on an off-list discussion with Christoph starting with Florian's text on the wiki pages) The banner should contain the LibreOffice logo - I'm not quite sure if in this special case the full logo with subline The Document Foundation would be reasonable, even if the SC prefers external references by a logo without that line. Different to the banner on our website I'd like to see the main color green. It's a reference to our community, and most of the other websites are not as green based as ours, so it contrasts quite well, I think. Details in other colors (blue? orange?) could be re-used in an update of our internal banner, but this can be done later on. We can't include the donation meter or the countdown as the banners have to be static. But when people click on them, they should be led to a Challenge page, where this information is available in a graphic way. I'm sorry, that I can't work on this task tonight, but perhaps someone else wants to step in? You could make the html code available on the challenge site somewhere Of course - and not only the code, but the graphics as well: Websites are sometimes reluctant to link to external graphics. I think that many on our membership would be happy to display a donation banner on their own personal or business sites. +1 Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: Wiki Page for Banner Development
Hi Christoph, all, thank you very much for summing up the most important points on this wiki page! Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi all, as announced a few hours ago, I've started to create a banner development wiki page. Although we just talk about banners, it seems that the recent activities (and thus information) are spread over several lists ... and since we get more and more requests for representing this activity for the public, it might help to keep the message consistent. As we tried (and achieved from my point-of-view) with the LibreOffice branding. So here you go: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/FoundationChallenge Please go ahead with adding content, tweaking, correcting ... other things like decisions should be at least discussed with the team. And, so to say, rather quickly :-) I think we can use this page as a basis for the creation of external banners. When we have designed such banners (I already replied to Marc's mail here: http://go.mail-archive.com/8UlWuPAcBC66p9oOtH3EIIqLYRY= ), we can use the experience from these banners to update the internal ones. Even if Drew's idea of replacing the banner by the different proposals is great (except the higher level of reaction after the PR), I think we can manage to integrate the advantages of each draft in one final (the best) design. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Hi David, all David Nelson schrieb: Hi, :-) The text on the banner should actually read: The challenge: 50 thousand euros needed! As stated in Wikipedia (there is a linked official document, but I didn't have the time to read it): For European Union legislation, the spelling of the words for the currency is prescribed for each language; in the English-language version of European Union legislation the forms euro and cent are used invariantly in the singular and plural, even though this departs from usual English practice for currencies. So I stayed with euro. I'm not quite sure if the text is meant as slogan (and thus Needed had to be capitalized), but I changed the capitalization to normal text. For 50 Thousand - 50 thousand: This reduces the visual impact to just an information, so I changed it to 50 000. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Empty_banner_600x60.png Do you think this is ok? Best regards Bernhard PS: I'll come back later to the discussion about which banner to use (Christoph's, my new one, any other). For the meantime we should link what we have. The present banner is not worse than no banner at all... (just my personal opinion) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Hi David, David Nelson schrieb: Hi Bernhard, :-) I think we should use your banner without any further discussion right now. It will do the job fine. I agree - for the point of doing it now. But this doesn't mean that Christoph's proposal has to be put aside. His concerns are valid, and if we want to have the best solution at the end, they should be respected. I don't know if we're going to integrate his elements in my proposal or mine in his draft - we need to discuss and decide the best way. As the banner is active now, we have enough time. As regards the text, I'd recommend taking in from the mother-tongue speaker, me, and just put what I suggested: The challenge: 50 thousand euros needed! Without taking into account that other native speaker (at the European Authorities) decided differently? http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/publications/publication6336_en.pdf 1 euro 100 euro 1 cent 100 cent (note: This spelling without an “s” may be seen as departing from usual English practice for currencies.) I don't think that in this case American English is the only valid solution. But perhaps we can agree on: The challenge: EUR 50 000 needed! (I'd rather like to put The challenge: € 50 000 needed!, but the official abbreviation is EUR) What do you think? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Hi Florian, *, On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: [...] Can we localize the Banner text for various sites? At least English and German would be desirable. Well, as the basis is a background image - it's not really feasible. http://www.libreoffice.org/themes/libo/images/banner.png There are two options: a) localize the image I updated the SVG source in the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/7/78/Banner_600x60.svg So everybody should be able to replace the English text with the native language. If someone provides me with the respective *short* texts in other languages I could create the images too. b) replace all the text in the banner with HTML (in proper size, color and font) This would mean more work on the HTML/css side, but localization would be much easier. If someone is able to do this work, I provide the background image without any text: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_notext_600x60.png But please be aware, that this banner is likely to be modified during the next days, so you might have to repeat your work ... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Website navigation in the wiki: (was:Re: Suggestions for website)
Hi Marc, Matt, all,
Marc Paré schrieb:
Le 2011-02-16 11:04, Matt Sturgeon a écrit :
Is a wiki page the best option, or would you guys like us to transfer
pages
to the main sites (libreoffice.org and documentfoundation.org)?
The wiki pages are easier for people to contribute. So we may have more
than myself and Tom helping out at different times.
[...]
I guess the same could be said for all the wiki work. Would it be better
to to have all wiki pages on the website?
I would suggest to create a template {website_navigation} that mimics
all the toplevel navigation entries at the top of the wiki pages
directly linked from the website.
This would allow users to turn back to the website without feeling lost
in the different navigation of the wiki.
Sorry, that I can't do it right now, but perhaps someone else is able to
create such a template.
Best regards
Bernhard
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Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Hi Alexandro, Alexandro Colorado schrieb: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: [...] I updated the SVG source in the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/7/78/Banner_600x60.svg [...] I think the red kind of breaks the overal tone of the site. I wouldn have chosen blue or other color closer to the light green from the site. http://www.oooes.org/images/Banner_600x60.svg The banner should stand out of the general green based color of the site, so the visitor is attracted by the banner. The red color has been added during our discussion here on the list (in this and the banner for the website thread), the first version of the banner has been neutral in color. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: US marketing mailing list on website
Marc Paré schrieb: [...] It could be that the EN site would offer a better option than separating into different EN sites. +1 Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Hi Michael, all Michael Meeks schrieb: On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 13:54 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Sure. Why don't you start a new thread then and, with your first post, CC to michael.me...@novell.com so that he sees it. I'm sure he'll post back. Sounds good to me; the only problem is the mind-mashed reply-to mangling on this list, that not only encourages people to post more - since they don't get duplicate personal replies to threads ;-) but also means that my CC will inevitably be lost - so in this thread, I only got your (CC'd) mail, not Matt's reply. Hey ho - list mis-configuration is one of those evil nasties I'd love to fix from the Collabnet monster; it helps build community. We have it done 'right' for the dev list at least ;-) Not for me personally - I always forget to reply all and I don't see any reason to get every mail twice. I think the dev list does it wrong ;-) If you are involved in a thread, just mark it and you'll can easily get notice on every new mail in this thread - no need for personal CC or double mails. So definition of right is not that easy as you suppose... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website]basic structure questions (was: Re: US marketing mailing list on website)
Hi Marc, all, interesting how a simple link can reach a totally new level of discussion... I could add quite a lot of comments, but try to keep it short: 1. Language vs. Region Our community is based on languages, not on countries or regions. Only in marketing it is necessary to concentrate on the regions - that's why there are dedicated marketing lists for some regions. Native-language websites are language based - not region based. So before anybody starts to ask for regional websites, this main decision in our community has to be discussed and decided otherwise. 2. International vs. English Our community tries to avoid any predominance of a language above any other - this is as far as I have been informed one of the main reasons to have the multi-language installer. In my eyes questions on the main website can be solved quite easily, if we linked http://www.libreoffice.org to http://en.libreoffice.org (and if the language differs much new sub-sites http://en-us.libreoffice.org or http://en-uk.libreoffice.org could be considered). But as this would lead to a significant modification to the entire community, it has to be decided by the community. 3. Position of US marketing vs. other local marketing US marketing is the most important marketing area for LibreOffice. It is crucial and should be supported wherever possible. But I don't know if this means that other marketing areas should not be supported in the same way. So I'd prefer very much a dedicated web or wiki page linking to all the local marketing teams - With US as the most prominent one, followed by the other regions that can't be covered by a native-language team because of the wider spreading of the language over the world (other English teams, Spanish teams, French teams). Marketing teams working on their native-language discuss list should be mentioned here too, so everybody interested in localized marketing can find his/her way. 4. Website vs. Wiki It is right that *working* with a wiki might be problematic for users. But I have never met any user having problems to *use* a single wiki page as source of information. On the contrary: Most of them don't know that they are not on the website, but on a wiki page - provided that the navigation works in a similar way. So if we want to link to the wiki for user information, these wiki pages would need to have a horizontal navigation linking back to the website categories. The main reason to use a wiki page instead of a web page is to allow more people to modify if. For a static page as the marketing teams I don't think that there are so many modifications in short time, so I'd like to see it on the website. If you want me to, I could write a short description of such a page. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Hi Matt, * Matt Sturgeon schrieb: Putting it in the banner would be easy, but I don't know how you'd want it to look. If possible, exactly like the one I created for the banner: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/c/c8/Website_banner_468x60.png size: 324x9 px (without border) color: #f5ce53 border color: #622502 border width: 1 px color sum already reached: #a33e03 border color: #622502 border width: 1 px I don't think we need any percentage on the banner - this might be necessary, if we place a more detailed barometer on the page linked from the banner. For the countdown we should use a fixed font - perhaps a web font, because Vegur will probably not be available for every visitor's browser. The countdown should contain the full line Only xx days left with Only xx days bold in LibO green (#18a303), left! in regular and black. Fine positioning would be necessary to get the same impression as with the pure image. Do you think, this is possible? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Hi Matt,
Matt Sturgeon schrieb:
Well I've already emailed a prototype,
I already saw it - but it is quite different from my banner in color,
text, font and so on.
Therefore I tried to provide you with the necessary basic informations
for the barometer and the countdown.
Both should be added in front of the banner (I added the rest of the
image to the wiki):
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Empty_banner_600x60.png
If barometer and countdown are positioned in the exact position, the
image will not be considered as divided in single parts, but one
integrated banner.
Is this would be possible, it would be great!
But repeating myself:
On 14 February 2011 02:40, Matt Sturgeonmtt...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, I've just put the donations meter script on the 600x60 banner:
Archive of source and files:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b56528h/n/banner1.zip
Screenshot:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565290/n/banner1.png
Note: I haven't done the if ($countdown == 0){} yet for this, so
setting $countdown to 0 might not look as intended.
And a later screenshot:
http://www.filefactory.com/file/b565c8a/n/banner1-header.png
a few specific pointers or code contributions would be appreciated, thanks
Sorry - I can't code PHP, and with my restricted HTML coding experience
I gave you size and color of the objects. Please tell me, what
information you need still...
Best regards
Bernhard
PS: Would you mind uploading your files to our wiki? Having to go
through those ads on the filefactory site is quite annoying...
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Re: [libreoffice-website] US marketing mailing list on website
Hi Marc, David, all, Marc Paré schrieb: I know it must be me ... but ... where can I find the mailing list coordinates for the US Marketing mailing list. I wanted to refer a user to the section of the website so that he could subscribe to the mailist but could not find it. Is it still listed on the website? Following the extensive thread on this topic (based on question of equality and region/language ), I propose to modify the website in a way that allows the US team to have a direct link, while the other teams are not that much behind them: From Primary points of contact and resources for our international marketing: the linkGlobal Marketing mailing list/link, the link North American Marketing list/link, and our linkmarketing wiki pages/link. I want it to change to Primary points of contact and resources for our international marketing: the linkGlobal Marketing mailing list/link and our linkmarketing wiki pages/link. Local teams are mainly organized in their respective link to Internationalization pagenative-language group/link, for English spoken marketing activities in the USA and Canada a mailto: US-ListNorth American Marketing list/mailto has been established. Wording could probably be improved, but I think you get my idea. At the bottom of the page I changed the US-List link to the local mailing list page at the wiki. When we have a (third level) Regional Marketing web page, we can link there. I did the changes in SilverStripe, but didn't approve the changes, so David can improve them before publishing. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Banner for website
Hi Christoph, all! Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi Bernhard, hi all! Am Montag, den 14.02.2011, 02:03 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: [...] However, I'd like to throw in a few thoughts ... I currently miss a few things that I consider as important. And funnily, it seems that most of our assumptions are quite contrary - for the very first time :-) You're right, we don't disagree often - but reading this mail, I don't think they are contrary, just taking into account different needs... my new proposal: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/c/c8/Website_banner_468x60.png (clear browser cache, if necessary) [...] I want it to look like an element of the page - that's what I think is important, if we want to keep an eye on all our target groups. Mmh, maybe I don't understand that ... could you please tell a bit more? If you refer to target groups, I think about the content and its presentation, but here I get the impression you are referring to the whole banner that may be re-used on different pages. Only on our website. A similar banner could be offered for external pages, but in this case your points about the uninformed users are even more valid as for our site - this would need more explanatory text on the banner. But since you refer to the target groups - I also miss some consideration of the users of our website. Personally, I hope that we might attract those people who are not even aware why a foundation is needed. And to be honest, I also think that many people in our community don't know how important this is. You're right - I've been too deeply involved in that topic to have a look at uninformed users / supporters. Consequently, I'm hesitant to just say The Challenge: 50 Thousand Euro needed!, or Funding our Foundation - Only 35 Days left! But these are the main points in my personal opinion (following Florian's description). We have a very short timeframe to get quite an amount of money. I don't want to hide this information on the donation page, because even if people understand that we ask for monetary donations for the foundation, they are not attracted to help *now* by your proposal. So please bear with me when I add some UX thoughts to the banner: 1. The Challenge: The challenge for whom? Is it ours, or the challenge of our users? I thought about Our Challenge, but this would change anything for the user. I don't insist on the word challenge at all - I just liked it, when Florian first thought of it. Challenge attracts people in my eyes. They become curious. And this is the most important point here IMHO. 2. What does this to the end-user / community member mean? More precisely, why should he click on the banner? I see three different use-cases for my banner: a) People thinking of a donation for LibO. They read about a sum and a timeframe. They understand that they should contribute rather sooner than later. They click on the banner to get more information. b) People looking at our website for any other reason (probably download). They read about sum and timeframe and perhaps they get curious. Perhaps they come back to our site looking for our progress. ... and finally they want to know more about the background and click on the banner... c) People informed by a press release about our challenge: Either they tend to a) or b) - but they definitively want to know about our progress. Does the banner tell the user what to do? Not directly, but I didn't see a way to add this information to the banner without losing it's main purpose. I think of a tooltip on mouseover telling them to click on the banner for more information on the documentfoundation site. [...] 3. Is the banner clickable at all? Yes - the entire banner should be clickable (perhaps with inverting the borders, so it looks like a button pressed...) Is there anything that tells the user that this element leads to somewhere else? (David mentioned that this isn't obvious for him concerning my proposal as well, although I tried - maybe failed - to add a button). I understood the green area as button ;-) But a banner clickable at it's entire area (if you didn't plan this despite the button) might be more attractive. I agree that this information should be visible, but unless I make the button higher there is no room for another line telling the user to click for more information. Do you think that mouseover would not work? If people get curious, they probably will move the mouse over the interesting area... 4. If the user clicks to the banner, what location will be opened? People feel more safe if we tell them what will happen ... especially if we want something from them :-) Right - It will be the website Florian is setting up now. With the mouseover they will be informed where they are led. I tried to incorporate these things
Re: [libreoffice-website] donation barometer
Hi Matt, Matt Sturgeon schrieb: Ok. This script is ready for review. Note it needs some variables to be linked with actual data, and alla links are unset. Also, the CSS may not be to your liking, only some size and positioning settings are important. The fill image is a transparent glass effect, so the colour can be changed from CSS. Get the meter-scale.png http://www.filefactory.com/file/b562ac1/n/meter-scale.png and get meter-fill.png from http://www.filefactory.com/file/b562abh/n/meter-fill.png Do you want a donate button or link? If button, chrome (browser widget) button or image button? would it be possible to integrate your script in the banner? (as overlay) or would it be better to create daily graphics for a banner used on every page on the website? Please have a look at my latest proposal... http://go.mail-archive.com/-14Qrc0Ubdpe8siUJOY3yU7lLMQ= Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Banner for website
Hi Matt, David, all, Matt Sturgeon schrieb: A standard size is 728x90. It depends on how we want to integrate the banner in our website. Our header is 88px high and there is 682px width aside the logo. (The main area is 900px wide, but I'd like the logo to stay). If we want the banner to be integrated in the existing site, 728x90px is too large. The next smaller standard size is 468x60 px. I just uploaded a screenshot wit an integrated banner in this size (please ignore the content - it's just a very first idea): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/c/c8/Website_banner_468x60.png Do you think, such a position and size would fulfill our needs? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Banner for website
David Nelson schrieb: Hi, :-) This could be a case for considering an animated .gif? Of course - My idea was just about the size and position. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Banner for website
Hi Matt, * Matt Sturgeon schrieb: From the looks of the screenshot, I'd say we may have to resort to a non-standard resolution to fit it in nicely with the header... I'm thinking something that has the same height as the logo, and follows the same spacing conventions, filling the right-side of the header. http://www.filefactory.com/file/b5617f9/n/idea2.png This is making better use of the space by keeping the text at the right (*VERY* quick GIMP mockup) I agree - filling all the empty space with a banner attracts more attention. I don't think that we need to add the Home of the LibreOffice Productivity Suite text at the side of the banner. It can cover all the area at the right side of the logo - if we really need the Productivity Suite information in the header, it might find a place inside the banner. About the height: We'll probably need mockups to compare 60px height to 45px height (the height of the logo), but I think every smaller banner than 60px might have too less space for the content. http://www.filefactory.com/file/b561850/n/idea3.png And this alternative is simply inserting a full width banner over the header (this is done by nestingadiv style=width:100%;img //div/a.) - again, a pretty quick knock up in gimp. We should avoid adding a full width banner over the page header: Even if this would be the best eye-catcher, it would move the content even further down, causing people to scroll for important content. Already on the main page this would cause me not to be informed about the TDF Blog and Twitter at all - why should I scroll? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Banner for website
Hi Matt, * Matt Sturgeon schrieb: I just had an idea, Since the banner is too short to look right if the width is increased to fill the rest of the header, howabout a second (more square-ish) banner about The Document Foundation? http://www.filefactory.com/file/b561ah6/n/idea4.png Quick demo of duel banner We can create the banner in any width we need - it consists of two application icons with an arbitrary wide area in between them. Just updated the wiki file with 600px wide banner: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/c/c8/Website_banner_468x60.png I uploaded the SVG source too: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/7/78/Banner_600x60.svg Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Hover-menu-popup for the main menu?
Hi Christian, * Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Hi Bernhard, *, On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: [...] And would it be possible to have a regular font for the top level menu when you're on a second level page (still open question on the actual design)? Hmm - I don't understand. The font is regular, isn't it? Or do you mean you don't want Get Help in bold when you're on get-help/mailing-lists? Sorry for not being clear here - Yes, that's exactly what I mean. In that case, it is just a matter of making use of the difference between the current and section classes. So yes, not only possible, but also easy to do :-) If it is, please do it! This would be a very easy way (perhaps not optimal, but much better than now) to show people if they are on the top-level or on a second level page. At the moment the single difference is: Top level: No second level entry bold, Top level bold Second level: Top level bold too, second level additionally bold. Perhaps it would become even more self-explanatory, if we marked the active page by something more visible than the bold font. But this can be decided and done later - removing the bold font from the main tab if you are on a second level page would help very much IMHO. [need to go down, then left/right to avoid collapsing the menu] Perhaps reaction time of the hover menu might become slower (especially after changes in direction)? Doable with javascript/jquery, but won't work without javascript. OK - so you need to be more precise in your movements when you don't use javascript. But of course it is very difficult to decide whether one moves the mouse to go to the sumbenu, or whether you really wanted to go to the next top-level menu and open its submenu. So you might get a longer delay in that case... You're right. I don't know if it's possible to find the right level of delay to address most of the user's tasks. Looking at the behavior of LibO menus might be helpful here too: Submenus open, when you stay on an entry for a certain time (less than one second, I assume). They stay open until you stop on another entry (or change the direction of your move - meaning a short stop too). This way submenus stay open until you reach the next destination. If it is inside the submenu, it stays open, if it's on the main menu, the submenu is changed. Could something like that work on the website navigation too? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Hover-menu-popup for the main menu?
Hi Christian, * Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Hi Bernhard, *, On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Christian Lohmaier schrieb: On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.atwrote: [...] Hmm - I don't understand. The font is regular, isn't it? Or do you mean you don't want Get Help in bold when you're on get-help/mailing-lists? […] please do it! OK, changed. Thanks! One (IMHO) minor point: When an entry changes from regular to bold (and vice versa) the width of every tab is redefined, leading to slight horizontal movement of all the entries. This did already happen before, but was not as visible as now, when there is no bold entry in the main navigation. I'm not quite sure how to solve this: - Use fixed size for the tabs - Use a font with same character width in regular and bold - Avoid regular and bold by using different text colors. - ... Your opinion? Best regards Bernhard PS: Get help - Installation moves the entire website to the right for about 5 px (SeaMonkey Firefox on Ubuntu 10.10) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Hover-menu-popup for the main menu?
Hi Christian, Ivan, all Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Hi Ivan, *, On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Ivan M.iv...@patentpending.co.nz wrote: [1] http://patentpending.co.nz/libreoffice/jquery/index.html Hmm - the interesting variant is missing, i.e. the case when there is already a second-level menu :-) Right - I'd like to see this too (perhaps an even more light green for the hover menu?) And would it be possible to have a regular font for the top level menu when you're on a second level page (still open question on the actual design)? Or does that proposal imply that the second-menu navbar will no longer be shown permanently? On second level pages it should be shown IMHO. One usability issue with a horizontally spread hover-menu is that you cannot move diagonally, since the menu will collapse before you reach the goal, i.e. start over Home, move to the right to Features → hover menu is shown, move diagonally to the writer item → chances are that you will hover over download first, and thus the menu disappears → frustrated user. The user has to go down to the second level menu first, then can move left/right Perhaps reaction time of the hover menu might become slower (especially after changes in direction)? Don't know how mighty the code is... Best regards Bernhard ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Inviting a new web designer to work with us (was: LibO website dev..)
Hi Narayan, * To all: Please read the very last paragraph of this still quite long mail and comment with +1/-1 to the summary! Narayan Aras schrieb: Hi Bernhard, First, thanks for the level-toned and opinion-free response. [... first approach...] But if he is interested in getting information about our needs, wants to join a collaborative effort to improve the website and is open to modifications caused by present community experience (especially in iterative improvements rather than general overhaul), he is more than welcome to propose his ideas. The first approach is not viable (we NEVER work like that). Approach#2 is how we routinely work. In this case it's up to him to join our team for a certain time. He doesn't need to contribute to any other topic, but it is necessary to join us on our way to communicate - even if he doesn't like mailing lists, this is our main tool. Inputs from key stakeholders is essential (including marketing, design, UX team AND copywriters). After that, he would propose some seed designs, so that all members can brainstorm. (Normally designers do that to gauge the mood of their clients.) Sorry - I don't think that anybody here will be able to provide him with all the necessary inputs. Either you will have the time to tell him the essentials or he will have to find out through our past and present activities. Most of them have been collected by website team members, when they followed the idea of Drupal implementation, but I don't know if anybody has the time to provide your expert with their results. Even if he might get a first collection of preconditions, people will come and claim their needs afterwards: That's normal reaction to work on the area where you have to do most of the work, until another area shows possible drawbacks for future activities. That's one of the reasons you normally need to have more than a slight idea of the community you work with. Based on the discussion, he would make the final design (HTML code, icons). There may be one or more rounds of this. Or the team decides to use his work as a basis for *our* final design. This is an option he *will have to accept*. He is not the only expert in this field, but his input is appreciated. [...] But there has to be a caveat: Everyone should respect what a web-designer says about his field. Do not try to foist outside concepts on web design. Sorry, you don't see the central point: The website is part of the community - and therefore it might be (not necessarily, but I can't preclude it) that there are needs not being able to be integrated in his concept. It's the community who decides about the tools - and web design is one of the tools we use for our needs. If there is a disagreement, we settle it by referring to reference literature on UX and web design. (Like the link I quoted.) AGREED? NO! If there is a disagreement, every position has to be make understandable to the other side, so everybody has to find his way to an agreement or compromise. If the community will not follow your expert's opinion, it's still the community to decide what to implement and what to leave. But: The community doesn't consist of idiots only! So we are capable to see the advantages of a good web design. [...] With Pumbaa [1] there is already a staging site. That page does not load! (connection times out) Not for me - please ask Christian for help. [...] To sum up- If we are clear about our workflow, I can request my colleague to come in and help. I'd like a clarity and consensus on this point, please! Tell your friend that his input is appreciated - but that the finally implemented design might be tweaked/improved by the design team (it might be replaced by another proposal too). We would like it most, if he would take the chance to cooperate with us on this point (this would mean joining our group at least for a certain time), but we can do it on our own too. We have skilled web designers in our team - like Nik - so he will not be the only expert (and he should avoid to behave so). If he can stand discussion and proposals for improvement, leading to a collaborative work, he is more than welcome. But the final result will be the communities web design - not his donation (or how he might call it). I hope this is quite clear to you and to him. And as this is my personal point of view (but based on years of experience in this community), I'd like others to add a short +1 or -1 to this summary showing if I met their point of prioritizing collaboration over single time donation. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Libreoffice.org website dev sitrep 2011-02-02 - [Was: Work on the Why? pages]
Hi Narayan, Narayan Aras schrieb: Hi Bernhard, I am sorry to see you take that extreme hardline approach. You don't understand, why I reacted this way? We are the LibreOffice community - people who spend many hours of their spare time (during the last months quite too many hours) to make the OpenOffice.org community independent from one single major contributor. And you told the Design Team that it should have contributed to the website instead of doing the hard work more pressing at the time we did it - even if several of us described why we did it this way. David had the final decision on the website - and his interest was different. It was okay that his voice had more weight than anybody else's, because he had contributed most of the present website. Since he finally described his aims, the visual approach could be discussed during the last two days. *You are not in a position to judge anybody's contribution* Nobody is - as long as the contribution doesn't hinder other community members to do their work. Your *WHY* questions are rhetorical and insulting: You wrote: 1. The website project has no graphic designer on board-why? Of course there are - several people from the Design Team read this list and contribute their thoughts and ideas. They have been overruled in the past, mainly because of time constraints - so they waited for their time to come. SC decision gave Ivan the last word in graphics contribution: Do you think they did this just because of his name? = Insulting the graphic designers here on the list. 2. There is no planned wireframe/icons for home page, and other sets of pages- why? There have been plans and proposals - did you read the wiki pages already created and worked on since November? Even if this didn't lead to results by now - that's how a volunteer community works. = Showing you didn't inform yourself properly, you don't really know about an open source community. = Insulting the people actively contributing to the website. 2. We raced against launch date, missed it and still no graphic inputs-why? We didn't miss launch date. We have a website that works, even if it needs quite a lot of optimization. = Insulting David, Ivan, Nik, Klaus-Jürgen and Christian who spent hours, days and weeks of their spare time in the website. We wouldn't have one without their effort. Don't you think someone from your team had to contribute? = You tells other people that their priorities are wrong. Please *never* do something like that in a volunteer community if you don't show that you see their contributions, explain why you think this way and state clearly that this is only your personal opinion. = You'll drive contributors away from our community with such attitude. Can I count on you to have your normal even-keeled approach? :) If you come back to a positive attitude, I don't have any problems. But with postings like the one above, I can't but position myself in front of the community. You crossed a line - and if you don't understand why, I can't help you. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Libreoffice.org website dev sitrep 2011-02-02 - [Was: Work on the Why? pages]
Nino Novak schrieb: On Friday 04 February 2011 14:07, Italo Vignoli wrote: Mike Houben wrote: http://www.ideactionmedia.com/IdeactionMedia.html http://www.dokimos.org/ajff/ (My personal Favorite) http://www.arngren.net/ http://www.partytentcity.com/ You made my day +1 *LOL* These pages got more visitors today than during the entire last year, I suppose... Thanks Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Libreoffice.org website dev sitrep 2011-02-02
Hi David, all, thank you very much for this detailed description. It allows us to understand your goals much better than in the past. Sorry, that my reply can't be shorter... David Nelson schrieb: Hi Narayan, Wheatbix, Houbsi, guys, :-) ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS AND SHARED GOALS [...] @Houbsi Narayan: I've listened to your ideas about design approaches, with wireframes, etc, and I understand. In basic, these thoughts have been mentioned here on the list for months by other team members too. Speaking personally, I don't really agree with your ideas about having a minimum of content on the libreoffice.org pages and most of the substance on the wiki. That's your personal opinion, as you states. But, I definitely encourage you to expand on your thoughts and ideas on your wiki user pages, and to do modelling work on the pumbaa sandbox. [...] But, for the moment, the website has been developed in a certain direction, and I'd like to guide it through to a concluded state: development of the Why? pages, the Features section and the About Us section. This direction is what you personally decided to be the right one. I didn't read any comment supporting your text dependent approach here on the list - quite the opposite. At that time, LibO will have a decent website to fulfill needs for the next few months, and those of you with those radically-different, imaginative, creative visions can develop them at leisure for presentation to the SC and community. I'll be pleased to contribute in any way you want me to. What I read here is nothing about visions, but actual needs to improve the website. I don't see any reason to keep improvements away from the main website, provided that the team agrees on the same direction. One of the most difficult things in a project like this is communications. Even with the best will in the world, and even with the aid of tools like email, wikis, IM and voice chats, ideas often fail to pass effectively and we don't end up at a general consensus. Compromise and flexibility is needed from all of us. Right! Please remember this, when you read on! [...] Everyone wants the project to go forward - but often in different directions! There comes a time when we have to choose one path and then all contribute to it. +1 My humble proposal is this: I've played a leading role in *dragging* the website in one particular direction. It was something that *had* to be done at that time, IMHO. I'm not saying it's necessarily the best, but it's already 80% on the road to its destination. I suggest that we complete that work, so that the site is really in a final v1.0 state. Sorry, David, but this is exactly the wrong assumption. We all are very thankful that you managed to create our website in such a short period of time. It was about providing content - and you did this in a great way. But it was *not* a decision about the direction. From the very beginning you've been told, that the page should have less text and more graphical content. As I read now, you didn't think that this is the way to go, so you kept on your way - allowing only a very few people to join. Now we have an existing website - that still needs improvement, but there are different ideas about the direction. You want to have long pages with descriptive content - and additional images to aerate it. Nearly everybody else asked you to remove a good part of the text content from the first and second level pages to attract people to stay on our website and reach their area of interest by a few mouse clicks. This is a decision that needs to be taken *now*! If you feel you have support by this website team with your approach, then go ahead. If not, it's up to you to find out if your way might be improved. Then, I suggest that we thoroughly explore all other possible options via confcalls, wiki writing and modeling on the pumbaa server until we arrive at a v2.0 SilverStripe website to offer to the SC for approval - something tangible, backed-up by written presentations and proposals. I strongly oppose. We should define first the way to go, then work on the means to reach our goals. We had the problem of two teams working on different solutions for the same area in the past - this led to less contribution to the main page. I don't want to undergo this experience once more. I know very well that the subject of Drupal is not gone from the minds of several of you. Therefore, I suggest that, when libreoffice.org v1.0 is at a finalized state, we should request the SC to request Christian to set-up a Drupal sandbox on the pumbaa server, in parallel to the SilverStripe sandbox. That way, you could thoroughly explore your ideas, and could experiment and model, and build properly-working demos that can be shown to the SC, for consideration, for whatever applications you imagine. No - please don't set up several sandboxes at the moment. We need to work on
Re: [libreoffice-website] Libreoffice.org website dev sitrep 2011-02-02 - [Was: Work on the Why? pages]
Hi Narayan, all, *short version:* Thanks for proposing a web design expert to provide his knowledge and expertise to LibreOffice. Like mentioned by others it might be hard for an external expert to learn about the needs and preconditions in our community being the prerequisite for any acceptance of his work by the community. Most of these conditions are not written, but need explanation by long-term project members during a phase of iterative improvement. If your expert doesn't want to be involved in discussions and proposals with experts and community members from other parts of the LibO community, his work can't be more than a proposal, perhaps used as starting point for a community based web design. Most likely he will find important parts (in his expert opinion) of his design modified and downgraded. As this might have an impact on your personal relationship, I want him to know this beforehand. But if he is interested in getting information about our needs, wants to join a collaborative effort to improve the website and is open to modifications caused by present community experience (especially in iterative improvements rather than general overhaul), he is more than welcome to propose his ideas. Even if he doesn't want to stay longer with us, I think everybody will see his positive contribution (and if he likes the way we work - perhaps he reconsiders his decision...) In order to include his work in our efforts it would be necessary to license it under a proper OS license (CC by-sa 3.0 for the website). *long version (covering some other topics too):* Narayan Aras schrieb: Hi David, From: comme...@traduction.biz Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 10:32:56 +0800 @Narayan: I understand very well your thoughts and attitudes about involving that talented graphic designer contact of yours. I also see the need to someone to work closely with us on graphics and page presentation. But, this is an OS project, and I don't think it can be achieved in quite the manner you envision. I think it doesn't need to be black or white - if the designer would be interested in work for the community, we'll probably find a way to use his expertise. We have to remember that developing the libreoffice.org site is very much a cooperative effort between design contributors and content contributors, and that we need to keep Design in the loop about things. Fully agreed - so please read below. First, let us differentiate between (a) the designer and (b) his designs for our project. The designer would produce IA+wireframe+icon proposals. The proposals are to be reviewed publicly and subject to change. It is not a take it or leave it offer. For any contributor to our project it is important, that he sees his contribution being respected and valued. For the community it is important, that our central needs and interests are respected. This is more easily to be achieved, if the contributor works collaboratively with the respective team, present his ideas and is open to improvements necessary because he can't know all the preconditions by the community. It is possible to provide IA, wireframe and icons on a independent basis, but it's quite likely that it will not be accepted by the team because it doesn't include all the necessary aspects. Re-iteration is necessary - and if the designer doesn't want to take part in this area, it is crucial to get the sources for his icons and the right to use his work (under an appropriate license). If he doesn't want to be involved in this way, his work can't be more than a stimulus for the team to work in his direction. [...] Do we have bigger web professionals on board who can judge him? I don't know, but this is not the main point: Our website needs to fulfill several different goals - attract curious people to become users or contributors, provide information to present users and contributors. The user groups are diverging, contributors work in very different areas - how can you describe the needs of our community to someone who doesn't know about our structure and the way we work? And what has this to do with the OS model?? [...] Website design is a specialized field, and even an OS project would have to follow its norms. ... provided the designer knows about the preconditions mentioned above. Some of these conditions show up later on - just because they have been forgotten or not taken as serious as they should, some develop in future. They have to become implemented too - and evolving a design without the primary team is harder. I have often heard about this design group, but- I have not seen its leadership for the website (providing vision, setting scope of work, planning). It failed to allocate resources to this project (e.g. graphic designer, copywriters). It has not given periodic creative feedback on the work done so far. You don't understand leadership in the way we define it in this volunteer
Re: [libreoffice-website] Back to top link for all pages
Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Hi *, [...] http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/ With a button of that size, I'd rather not add additional text (apart from the title/tooltip text) OK to go with that one? Or other suggestions? +1 (if someone comes with a better idea, it could be changed without larger problems, I suggest) Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Working with mailing lists (was: Cursor placement off in cms editor)
Hi Narayan, all (= *), Narayan wrote: Hi Christian, Christian wrote: [... header of replied mail removed ...] Christian wrote (earlier): PS: Please use a more telling subject (and separate messages for each problem), this makes it harder to follow (and easier to locate it in the archives). Narayan wrote: Actually an issue-tracker would be the right place for that kind of thing (one issue at a time). No - the list is just fine, as it's important to get other people's confirmation and stuff. The second choice would be to have a forum. No, not at all. There having all in one single entry wouldn't help either. You'd create seperate topics, wouldn't you? AHA! That's the point, isn't it? THOSE tools do have their rules and conventions. But not mail lists: They are for casual use (use-and-throw messages). Why did you get this impression? The OpenOffice.org community (and several others) wouldn't have been able to work for 10 years effectively if they hadn't had rules an conventions. They are based on the rules in Usenet many many years ago, but are valid though. The reference in the Netiquette page on Wikipedia might contain more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette If you are interested in real answers, please have a look at the mail I sent to Paulo, a new member of the Design Team yesterday: http://go.mail-archive.com/cDnqQppotppvX3DlEQwXy6Fs7Bk= (copied from the mail's header - quite easy to link to an existing mail or thread) With appropriate filters and threading in a modern mail client (like Thunederbird) most of the advantages of a forum can be egalized by a mailing list. Perhaps you can think of changing your negative attitude against mailing lists and try to find out, what is possible... Best regards Bernhard PS: I changed the subject to tell everybody that the topic has changed ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Localization page on the site
Hi David, all, Just one remark to the content: Would it be possible to change the link behind Design Team (in: If you need to work on aspects of the LibreOffice project's branding for localization needs, our Design team helps you meet your needs while staying within the project's graphic charter and copyright constraints.) from the subscribe mail (mailto:design+subscr...@libreoffice.org) to the Get-involved page? - http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/ux-visual-designers/ (or just a relative link) This would allow people to learn a bit more about the team, possibly leading to an improved interactive relation between designers in the l10n groups and the Design Team. Thanks in advance! ... and about your link to the page: David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:15, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: It seems you forgot the link in note [1] Toutes mes excuses, monsieur. ;-) https://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/localizers/ If you don't refer to the secure page, you will not be bothered by the tweaked certificate: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/localizers/ Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Website header looks very high
Hi all, I don't konw if this is browser specific, but our header look very high, when I browse to our website (any page on http://www.libreoffice.org) with IE 8 here at work. See screenshot at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO_Mainpage_high_heading.PNG I can't compare it with other browsers here and I didn't notice it back at home with SeaMonkey on Ubuntu, but I just wanted to let you know. Didn't share the logo and the description tag Home of the LibreOffice Productivity Suite the same line in this design too? Can't remember... This high header moves navigation and content further down - forcing the user to scroll more and to look at the colorful navigation as main part of the page, retracting the eye from the real content below. I just wanted to let you know... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Screenshot sizes [was: Introduction - Daniel Neel]
Hi David, Daniel, all, [...] I've done screenshots done at 400 x 300, which link to an enlargement at 800 x 600. That's not a rule, if you have other ideas, but you might take account of the conistency aspect. If I remember Christian right (please correct me, if I'm wrong), there is no need to create two different screenshots, because SilverStripe provides the smaller thumbnails on it's own, while opening the full size image (yes, 800x600px should be reasonable) in an overlay. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Deploy SilverStripe for documentfoundation.org
Hi David, Ivan, all Hi Ivan, :-) On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 06:34, Ivan M. iv...@patentpending.co.nz wrote: +1 from me on that point - if we agree on a color, I'd be happy to do it. I'd leave you to choose the color. I would not use a different main color on the TDF page at this stage of development. As long as TDF hosts mainly LibreOffice, their tight relation should be not only shown by the same logo, but by the same color language. If it would be possible, what would you think of inverting the navigation (dark green or black text on light green background) as a means to differ between the sites, while staying green in the main concept? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website header looks very high
Hi Christian, * Chrisian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Bernhard, *, On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Dr. Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: I don't konw if this is browser specific, but our header look very high, when I browse to our website (any page on http://www.libreoffice.org) with IE 8 here at work. Can not reproduce with chromium or firefox webkit and opera - did it work for you before? I don't really know. I'm quite sure I looked at the LibO website some time ago, but I can't remember if it was before the new theme. But now I had a closer look: At first: IE version is probably IE7 on Citrix. Local versions have been updated to IE8, but if I download the wrongly formatted page in the Citrix session as webarchive (.mht), it reads saved with Internet Explorer 7 The local version (IE8) works fine, only in the Citrix version doesn't allow to put the text at the side of the image. There is an error message at the bottom of the page: Zeile: 14 Zeichen: 822 Fehler: Object doesn't support this property or method Code:0 URL: http://www.libreoffice.org I'm not allowed to look at the source code, I can't open the help index to find out the version number of IE and if I save it locally, line breaks are added - cant find line 14 with more than 822 characters. Sorry - but this system might be very special... Thanks for caring! Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Agenda item: Contact people [was: Introduction - Daniel Neel]
Hi Michael, * Michael Wheatland schrieb: [...] Could I suggest that we add a specific agenda item to the website conference call this afternoon to discuss design aspects of the website team, I would love to see a collaborative organised collection of people from both teams working on the UI and visual design of the website infrastructure. It's still not clear if I'll be able to participate, but I hope for Ivan as the one responsible for the website's design to join. We definitely need contact people to share discussions and decisions of the design team with the website builders - as we need for any other teams: Marketing, Translation/L10n, Documentation, Coders/QA and so on. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] New website conf call agenda
Hi Narayan, Narayan Aras schrieb: Hi Nino! What you are suggesting is equivalent to an internal review amongst the team-members. It's just a proposal for an updated agenda that allows to start working for the final release before the long-term vision has been established. And as you already stated, the agenda seems not to be realistic for a single confcall. So we - the website team - need to find a solution. And I think Nino's proposal is a good one. Of course we need an internal review - internal by the website team. If you prefer an alternative approach, please provide your proposal. Our aim is to establish the long-term vision, and then derive the short/mid term action-plan to achieve that goal. Please define who is we? I can only describe what I personally think: At this very moment the main task for the website team should be the present website being ready for our release. Reading Michaels comment he seems to support this approach, David has done a tremendous work on this goal. Christian, Ivan and Christoph spent their time and effort on this task too. So I think the general approach at the moment seems to support more what Nino wrote. The long-term plans have to be discussed in detail - no question. But this is not the task I (can't speak for the entire team, but what I read here seems to support my opinion) want to work on *now*. So the idea of prioritizing the agenda items is reasonable IMHO. Let's start working - we have discussed way too long without working on the short-term tasks. Discussion can and should go on - but let's have the work in the most important position. The website team will be evaluated by the *work* it manages to handle. It's our chance to show the community that we are not a group of individuals spending our time on discussions, while the work is not done or left over to just a handful. We want to be a team - let's show the community that we are one! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Back to top link for all pages
Hi Klaus-Jürgen, Christian, all klaus-jürgen weghorn ol schrieb: Hi Christian, Am 20.01.2011 01:38, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: Hi Klaus-Jürgen, *, On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:04 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: Am 13.01.2011 21:48, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 3:21 PM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: [back to top link like on the limesurvey site] And if so, at what position? Lower right as limesurvey site? I think the position is quite good. It is moved away from the text but will follow if you change the width of your browser. I added it to the pumbaa site as a demo - what do you think? http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/ (scroll down a little, the link will appear) If your monitor is too big and display the whole page at once, try http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/get-help/mailing-lists/ - that one is longer .-)) As there were no negative comments would you put this on the live-site? So we can avoid on the top inside the texts. +1 Best Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Back to top link for all pages
Hi Christoph, all, Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi Bernhard, hi all! Am Freitag, den 21.01.2011, 17:36 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: Hi Klaus-Jürgen, Christian, all klaus-jürgen weghorn ol schrieb: Hi Christian, Am 20.01.2011 01:38, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: Hi Klaus-Jürgen, *, On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:04 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: Am 13.01.2011 21:48, schrieb Christian Lohmaier: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 3:21 PM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: [back to top link like on the limesurvey site] And if so, at what position? Lower right as limesurvey site? I think the position is quite good. It is moved away from the text but will follow if you change the width of your browser. I added it to the pumbaa site as a demo - what do you think? http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/ (scroll down a little, the link will appear) If your monitor is too big and display the whole page at once, try http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/get-help/mailing-lists/ - that one is longer .-)) As there were no negative comments would you put this on the live-site? So we can avoid on the top inside the texts. +1 +/-1 :-) Sorry, I've missed this discussion a bit. I like the general idea (although shorter pages are attractive as well), but the current realization might miss the main advantage. Three thoughts ... Position: If you put it at the lower right, the mouse travel distance will be maximized. Since we miss the advantages of Fitts's Law (lower right browser window doesn't equal lower right screen), the very next thing after go top is to use the website menu at the top. I'm not quite sure - as the website menu is still there, people can use it without moving to the top of the page. In my eyes the go to the top button will be used re-read some details or use links in the current page after reading the content partially or in a whole, but I might be wrong. Mapping: Going up is usually located at the top (like the scrollbar button) - the positional mapping is incorrect. I understood Karl-Heinz differently - he used an example from Limesurvey (http://www.limesurvey.org), but this doesn't mean that they do it properly. I found a website giving more information about the to top link: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/www/totop.html Self-explanation: People will have to read the text to understand the item (and it needs to be translated?). And, the shape doesn't provide additional clues (direction). An (additional) arrow would be nice, but I don't know if it really works without any textual explanation. So my proposal (if technically feasible): How about an element that shows an arrow (up), which is located approx. 50 ... 100px next to the LibO header (right of the header), at the top of the page. -- ++ ++ | HEADER HEADER HEADER HEADER HEADER | | /\ | || ++ I would understood this as a link back to the parent level in the navigation hierarchy. And showing / hiding it when the page is scrolled down might be disruptive. What do you think of adding the link (not more prominent than at the moment) with an additional upward arrow at the right *upper* corner of the text area - directly below the navbar? Best regards Bernhard PS: Concerning Fitt's law I don't know if we need to make this button more visible and larger. As people know where to click when they want to scroll up (upper arrow besides the website's content area), they will look at this position to place the mouse. As they already focus on a small area, they will probably see the tiny and not very colorful link. (As always - only my personal PoV, so Christoph's expertize is rated much higher...) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Nice new download site.
Hi Rainer, * Robert Holtzman schrieb: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 11:09:15AM +0100, Rainer M Krug wrote: Hi After I raised that issue recently, I would like to say congratulations to a nice download site. Thank you! David and Ivan worked hard on the content and design of the new website, supported by Christian and Klaus-Jürgen. I don't know who created the download selector (IIRC Christian or Stefan), but I'll forward your mail to the website mailing list, so everybody involved can read it. What are you replying to and why, apparently, did you start a new thread? Apparently Rainer was one of the many people asking for an improved download page when the site went life. Now he wants to congratulate the team for the new download page (perhaps for the entire site - It seems that he isn't a native speaker). You probably have already seen the present page: http://www.libreoffice.org/download Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Introduction/New Website Bugs
Hi Daniel, * Welcome to our community! Daniel Neel schrieb: Hello all. My name is Daniel Neel and I'm interested in working on LibreOffice's new Drupal-based web site. I'm sorry if this disappoints you, but our new website is based on SilverStripe (an easy to be used CMS): http://www.libreoffice.org Once our website is in a final state, we'll be able to discuss any further improvement. This might be Drupal, but at the moment there are other tasks, that are much more urgent than such a discussion. I have experience developing with (X)HTML and CSS on a couple of web sites and have dabbled with Python and other technologies from time to time. At the moment our website team is forming - do you want to join? This would be great. Please subscribe to the website mailing list (by sending a mail to website+subscr...@libreoffice.org and reply to the automated mail you get) and introduce you there, if you want to. Anyways, I reviewed the new LibreOffice web site and recorded issues I found. Is it possible for me to fix these bugs myself, or would I need to be granted commit rights? At the moment the Drupal staging site is not worked on, so I'd propose to add your findings to the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Drupal/Feedback I don't know if this Drupal solution will be more than a working draft, but this would allow to come back to them, when the work on the LibreOffice website has reached a final state and our discussions on the long-term solution came to a conclusion. Please don't discuss any Drupal ideas at the moment, because they led to long and unproductive discussions in the past and we need to focus on the release now. If you follow the website list, you will find out, when we'll have the time to develop our goals and aims for the long-term website solution that will fit the needs of the entire community. Best regards Bernhard -- Web site bugs All notes taken using Chromium 8.0.552.237 (70801) Ubuntu 10.10, referring to the Drupal web site at http://libreofficeaustralia.org/ Navigation bar - the sub menu of the LibreOffice item doesn't appear to align along the navigation bar's left edge, while the other items align correctly Home Page - Take a tour to explore the functions and features of LibreOffice should inlude a period after LibreOffice - all other items end in periods. - The shadows under each image might look better feathered a bit more, with less hard edges - The shadow under the puzzle icon doesn't appear centrally aligned while the other shadows do - Login or register to post comments Older polls - might be useful to have the links highlighted/underlined, as they're (in chrome 8) indistinguishable from normal text without mousing over them. - Also in chrome 8 and firefox 3.6 the Older polls item should be on a new line - currently a little confusing LibreOffice/Calc - url doesn't follow the naming convention of other LibO products. Listed as ../features/libreoffice-calc rather than ../features/calc - This also might affect the page's title which is LibreOffice Calc | LibreOffice.org when it should be Calc | LibreOffice.org, going by the other product pages - also is the cause of a broken link on the Features page Download - uses an old Apple logo - not sure if their newer logos are available for use or not - also uses an old Ubuntu logo rather than the updated ones (located here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand) Download/Extensions - Discover new possibilities, Extensions make document creation fun., Explore and install now - inconsistent use of periods Features - Space between heading and start of page content inconsistent with other pages (the space between Features and LibreOffice is a comprehensive...) Features/Accessibility - Inconsistent spacing between heading and start of page content Community/ - Items in the large list aren't presented in the same order as in the navigation bar - Page titles are inconsistent (see Project Teams and Forums vs the other items) Community/Project Teams - Contains links to two seperate Quality Assurance team pages, each with differing content Community/Forum - Sub-forum titles become un-aligned depending on if there's an icon to the left of them (see mail icon) and if the thread has a mail icon and a description of the sub-forum (potentially in other cases as well) News - Assuming the language bar should go below the To suggest a news article please contact the News Editor team section. All product pages (LibreOffice/... Calc/Writer/etc) - Inconsistent spacing between the navigation bar and the start of the page's content -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibreOffice website team inaugural conference call
Hi David, all, even if this mail contains many very good thoughts and descriptions of the way to go on, I'd like to shorten it. If someone has not read this mail en detail, I'd ask you to have a look at the archives: David Nelson schrieb: Hi, :-) [...] We are going to have to establish exactly where the role of the website team really starts and ends. It's going to be important to remember that the website team is there to service the LibreOffice project's website needs, and that it is not there to become a separate community by itself, nor to take on the roles of other areas of the project such as marketing and SC/BoD policy-making. +1 People who want to influence those areas of the project are going to have to actively involve themselves in those particular teams. As the website is one of the most important marketing areas for LibreOffice, you mentioned in one of your very first mails to this list, that interaction with marketing experts is crucial. Same for UX and other central areas of the entire LibreOffice community: Involvement of the expertise from the different teams is important for the quality of our website and for the goals the entire community wants to reach by this window to the outer world. Exactly as you wrote here: [...] Meritocracy and overall consensus will have to be respected. Patience and a degree of far-sightedness will be necessary, as will the ability to accept compromise. Adhesion to the LibreOffice project's overall goals is needed from every member if we are to be part of a peaceful, successful community. I think the entire community can follow these phrases. If we manage to take this point as start for the new website team and leave the negative experiences behind, I'm sure that the result will lead to a community driven website with the highest possible quality and the most impact inside the community and outside in public perception. But I do believe that we can arrive at solutions that take account of reasonable wishes and ambitions. +1 All the above is my personal 2 cents. I don't count in money - but it's very valuable! Thank you, David! Best regards Bernhard PS: Even if I'll be short in time next week, so I probably can't follow the confcall - in my eyes it would be a good idea to find a time where all the four people dedicated by the SC could join. This would allow the different aspects of the website to be discussed directly without the problem of misunderstandings on a mailing list. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] [contribution] Screenshots urgently needed!
Hi Mark, thanks for stepping in :-) As you didn't remove the old replies below your posting, the answer to some of your questions is already attached to your mail ;-) Mark Morin schrieb: [...] Should I attach them to a response to this list or some other address? As the list doesn't allow attachments, sending them here will not lead to any positive result ;-) Please upload them to the wiki or send them directly to David Nelson (mail address in the posting linked from the bottom [1]) What is the preferred format (png, jpg, gif, etc.)? And I know this has been stated before but what are the desired specs (dpi and dimensions)? Please read below... [...] Christoph Noack wrote: Some screenshots are still missing ... Michael (if I remember correctly) added some ideas how to present some of the features. http://www.libreoffice.org/download/new-features-and-fixes/ And, David once mentioned how he did the screenshots, so please have a look at the requirements - this really helps to make the site look consistent (for the features, please pick the things that apply). a) Take them under Ubuntu Linux, using the Ambiance theme, with *no* visual effects. b) Take the *window only* with the window frame - not the whole desktop. c) 1000px wide by 750px tall - you can use Screen Ruler to accurately size the window. e) Anything up to a dozen good shots from each app is what I'm hoping to accumulate in each app, demo the key features: in Writer, tables, indexes, etc. I'm sure you see what I mean f) The file you use for taking the screenshot should ideally be called sample.odt (or whatever extension) The original call for screenshots is here: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/msg01968.html It has been about screenshots for the applications (David already worked on them), but the requirements should be the same. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] relocating mailing lists at libreoffice.org?
Hi Florian, all, Florian Effenberger schrieb: Hello, on the steering-discuss list, we currently discuss about @libreoffice.org e-mail addresses for community members. Just focusing on the technical issues for this mail: I would like to have those e-mail forwarders handled by a separate mail server, independent from the mailing list server. However, we have a few listes directly @libreoffice.org, which makes things complicated. There are two options for this issue: a.) We could use @libreoffice.net or some other domain ending (TLD) for those e-mail addresses This would reduce the marketing impact and the association of the mail address with the community. Recipients of the mails will not know about our website... b.) We move the mailing lists @libreoffice.org to some subdomain (like l...@libreoffice.org = l...@global.libreoffice.org) Seems to be more reasonable to me. If people prefer we could use main instead of global (just because it's shorter), but I prefer global here. Following the mailing list list [1] this would mean: l...@libreoffice.org - l...@global.libreoffice.org us...@libreoffice.org - us...@global.libreoffice.org website@libreoffice.org - webs...@global.libreoffice.org documentat...@libreoffice.org - documentat...@global.libreoffice.org market...@libreoffice.org - market...@global.libreoffice.org des...@libreoffice.org - des...@global.libreoffice.org accessibil...@libreoffice.org - accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org Perhaps this chance might be used to move the LibreOffice related disc...@documentfoundation.org list to @libreoffice.org too? disc...@documentfoundation.org - disc...@global.libreoffice.org (and leave discuss@TDF to discussions about the foundation) Best regards Bernhard [1]: http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/#lists -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re:Removal of translations from NL English site at libreoffice.org
Hi David, all, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On libreoffice.org, we have the various international sites of the NL projects, with content in that particular NL. On one or two pages of the English main site, there are translations into a couple of languages for which there is an NL site. My idea is that this is inconsistent, and that it can cause people to believe that this is the sum total of localized content on the libreoffice.org site, causing them to ignore the International Sites page. +1 I suggest removing them, because the NL sites already contain any and all content you want in your NL language. Thoughts? For the present situation I don't see any reason why to host two pages (even if one is a redirect of the other) with the same content: www.libreoffice.org/[subpage]/[translation] and [nl].libreoffice.org/[subpage] Removing the translations would allow to get rid of the additional line below the navigation, leading to a more consistent look and feel. There are just two points to mention: 1. I don't know if there are teams who don't want to admin their full localized subsite. They are the only ones who might profit from the current situation where they only translate a few pages. In my eyes it should not be a problem to provide them with a minimal set of already created pages (e.g. Main, Download and Features) they only have to fill with content. 2. If SilverStripe is able to read the browser's language, it might be a mid-term idea to have a multi-language main page (presented in the user's language) while the links are leading to the nl-pages. This would mean to have the rest of the international site should move to en.libreoffice.org (a step to improve the equality of different languages) while keeping the first impression consistent (with an area dedicated to local particularities) and strenghtening the brand. Both points are no hindrance to remove the translated sub-pages IMHO. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Broken link for LGPLv3 license
Hi Erich, David, * Erich Christian schrieb: Hi Sophie, * Am 09.01.2011 09:56, schrieb Sophie Gautier: While you're at it, could you take care of this issue https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32920 At the very end of every page of http://libreoffice.org there is a link to the LGPLv3 license which is broken It links to http://www.libreoffice.org/lgpl which does not exist and presents a 404 error. The footer is to be maintained directly via silverstripe code and cannot be accessed by the backend. Unfortunately I lack the proper permissions to change it there, Christian will take care of this at time and might change the link to http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/license/ As Christian can't be available all the time, would it possible to create http://www.libreoffice.org/lgpl and do a redirect there to http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/license ? When the link is corrected, this page can be deleted again. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Regroup and further development of the website(s)
Hi Mike, all, just a few points I want to mention... They are my personal opinion, but having been part of the OOo community for quite a number of years, I'm quite sure that they are shared by other people too. Michael Wheatland schrieb: On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Michael, The admins have run this since the beginning and I don't see why we should host our website elsewhere. Now the website team has some people with admin rights and that's how it works. It's actually the usual way to operate elsewhere. What wouldyou suggest? I am not suggesting changing anything as long as the website team has the autonomy and authority to modify and improve our areas of responsibility ourselves. The present website team consists of the people working on the website and improving it. Your activities have been a different main focus in the past, so it is great to have you on board again. When David presented his first iteration of the website, he had to face some comments on different parts of his work. He tried to reply to quite a number of postings here on the list, but he couldn't see a common direction in the comments, so discussions led to nothing than more discussions. As we urgently need the website and most of us think it has to be improved sooner than later, David started a new iteration of the site. He asked the SC for their approval to work on the site until the 10th of January and he wanted to hand it over to the community at this time. Probably because there have not been an active website team, but only a few people commenting the now active website in different directions, he asked the SC to be the responsible group to accept the website. It was simply the suggestion that the Steering Committee would be kept in the loop before the website team that seems disrespectful and somewhat belittles the team. You might see it different, but there is no active website team at the moment except the few people working on the site. The website team didn't manage to create content for the main site for several weeks, so we have to doubt, if there is a team at all. We will create the team in a few days, as I'm very sure that the SC will accept the website created by David and Ivan who supports him at the moment. As this new version will contain address of our concerns for the present website, the new website team will be able to work on improvements continuously. I don't know if we need a formal lead as the LibO community tries to avoid hierarchical structures. Decisions are based on merit instead: People who have actively worked on a certain task have the most important voice in decisions about this topic. The website needs a group of people taking care of it's quality, because this is the first and most prominent area where potential users and contributors contact LibreOffice. This group has to consist of specialists in webdesign, user experience, marketing and documentation, and I'm quite sure that you will be a relevant part of this group once you have shown your active contribution to *this* area of work. We will have a new active website team - let's start working after the 10th. Hence, the progress that David has made privately should be shared with the website team as a whole to allow review and future contributions from the whole team. It will be shared after the 10th (as I already mentioned above, the SC will not refuse Davids and Ivan's great work). Review and future contributions will be done by the new team - following the recommendations of the experts mentioned above. There are many people involved in this list who are keen to contribute. Lets get them involved. I truly hope so, even if the past did prove the opposite... To do that, we need to be kept up to date with the Silverstripe site progress and encourage collaboration, delegation and accountability. Even if David is working on a sandbox site, his progress can be looked at, as the link to the site has already been posted here on the list. He's probably doing more work in the background, so the site is not at the bleeding edge, but as he asked us to wait with comments three more days, I don't think that this causes any problems. (I don't repeat the link here - if you think it is important to have a look at it *now*, you'll find it in the archives). If we'll have an active team from the 10th on, the future workflow will not only concentrate on improving the content, but in involving (new) community contributors too. Best regards Bernhard PS: Please remember: My personal opinion only! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Merry Christmas! - My present for you: test is gone, site went live :-)
Hi Christian, all, Christian Lohmaier schrieb: Hi *, Thanks to the great help and huge amount David did put into the site in providing the initial content, the site is now live! No test.* anymore, http://www.libreoffice.org is the way to go :-D Thank you both very much! David for providing the content in such a short time and Christian for moving it to the main site as Christmas present. So David's concentrated work has led to the goal we wanted to reach: The LibreOffice website live as soon as possible. I again have to thank all the people who worked really hard in the last month to make this happen. You really rock! The work is of course not done, eye-candy is missing, and a revised theme is in the works. Could someone please add a visible download button on the main landing page as a first step? People will not try clicking on the image if they just want to get LibreOffice. And the NavBar entry will probably be not prominent enough for them. The button (from the TDF site?) could be positioned below the image without doing any harm to the rest of the page... Merry Christmas to everyone, hope you family are all safe and can enjoy the holidays. Merry Christmas to you, too! Best regards Bernhard PS: Could I get publisher access to the main site please? Even if I don't know how much I can contribute directly, there might be small changes to do quickly ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi Narayan, * Narayan Aras schrieb: Sophie Gautier wrote: Hmm, I think you are missing something : it is not sure that admins of existing users forums (eg. http://user.services.openoffice.org/fr/forum/index.php) will want to leave OpenOffice.org infrastructure. These forums are intended to provide assistance to users of each office suite based on OOo : at this moment OOo, OOO/StarOffice, NeoOffice and LibreOffice. I am sure they want to keep their freedom to manage their forums as they want. Well, here are some considerations: 1. Experienced users who provide help to newbies may not leave OOo forums (They may spend some of their time at LibO forums, though). If you call them product independent forums, this might be easier to understand. 2. Many of the problems found in LibO would be common across all variants. So a LibO user should search at the OOo forum first to see if it is solved for any other variant. We should link to the independent forums at least as long the common basis covers the most problems. However, as time passes, LibO code would grow independently, and most of those problems would not apply. In other words, the OOo forums would be useful for LibO users in the beginning. After a few months, LibO forums can run on their own. I don't think in terms of months - this common basis will probably be valid for one or several years. Even with a mainly different UI functionality will be similar throughout the products. Given this situation, LibO support team has three options: 1. Do NOT start a separate forum. Redirect users to the existing forums at OOo. We can do both IMHO. An ability to search several forums (fora?) would be great - don't know if this is tricky. 2. Copy the whole data (for all variants), because many of the problems apply to LibO today. (BTW we should be able to deprecate issues that no longer exist in the current LibO version.) Please don't duplicate such content - an option to mark topics as deprecated (or version dependent) is a really good idea. 3. Live with a fragmented knowledge base and start a new forum anyway. There will ever be some fragmentation - people work, discuss and post their questions and solutions wherever it fits their needs. You will have noticed the necessity for off-line handling for many tasks, therefore no alternative to mailing lists at the moment. With the new Drupal site there might be new opportunities - if they will fit people's needs we will see. Just to inform you: There is already a LibO dedicated forum (maintained by Sam), that might be moved over to the main site, when Drupal becomes active. If this will be done, needs further discussion among the people actively involved in this topic. Best regards Bernhard [1]: http://libreofficeforum.org/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] website wording concerning MS Office files
Hi Stefan, David, all, ... didn't have the time to look at the pages, just a short comment on Stefan's proposal: Stefan Weigel schrieb: Hi, http://www.test.libreoffice.org/ second paragraph currently reads: LibreOffice can open and save all Microsoft Office files Please change this to: LibreOffice can open and save most Microsoft Office files Most implies directly, that there are MS Office files that LibO can't open. I wouldn't promote this non-feature actively. Just remove all or most: LibreOffice can open and save Microsoft Office files. http://www.test.libreoffice.org/features/ reads: You can easily import any Microsoft document Please change this to: You can easily import most Microsoft documents Same here: You can easily import Microsoft Office documents as well as many other file formats used by different applications. Why? Well, MS Office is much more than Word, Excel and Powerpoint, but these are the only MS applications LO is file-compatible with (to a certain degree). And, http://www.test.libreoffice.org/features/ reads: You can create and modify tables, forms, queries and reports that use MySQL, PostgreSQL or Microsoft Access, or – better still – take the next step to a powerful, stable, integrated HSQL database. This gives the reader a wrong impression and creates wrong expectations. Base *cannot* create and modify tables, forms, queries and reports in Microsoft Access. Base can connect to databases that are created in MySQL, PostgreSQL or Microsoft Access. Upon that you can create forms, queries and reports in Base. IIRC Base can import MS Access tables and queries, but I can be wrong. The integrated HSQL database ist *not* a step forward from MySQL, PostgreSQL or Microsoft Access, but a very basic possibility to build database applications without MySQL, PostgreSQL or Microsoft Access. Would this perhaps be a more appropriate wording? Based on imported and linked tables and queries from MySQL, PostgreSQL or Microsoft Access and many other data sources you can build powerful databases containing forms and reports, views and queries. Full integration is possible with the in-built HSQL database. or something similar... best regards Bernhard PS: I don't know how this is in English, but the end of the MATH paragraph looks odd to me with capitals. I know the formula as E=mc² -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi David, all, :-) David Nelson schrieb: Hi Klaus, Bernhard, Florian, all, :-) On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold [...] PPS: I still believe, that the visible part of the main page should not contain more than a few lines of text, a download button (can lead to the download page) and links to the most interesting areas. Twitter and blog in the scrolling area are ok, but I think a news area is more important than those tow. I will put at least a download button above the home page text, but did not get around to it yet. You will notice that I *have* been listening to people's comments, and complying with most of them. Sorry if my posting had any negative taste - I didn't mean this at all. The problem is that the current theme is very narrow, and limits what you can place on the page quite a lot. That applies to the top menu bar, the side menu and the actual content area. That's not a bug - it's a feature. ;-) The main page shouldn't contain more than the most important information for every visitor (or at least for the majority of them). It must be readable in a few seconds - and then lead the visitor to the area of interest. I'll try to write something to show what I mean - don't know if this will be possible today. [...] I would propose a theme based on the theme at libreofficeaustralia.org. Take a look at screenshots [1] and [2]. The design perfectly fits the current marketing color scheme and graphic charter. It's simple but very Web 2.0. It's based on the Fusion theme for Drupal. It gives a lot more space and scope for nicely laying out the content, with lots of nice big screenshots, etc. I didn't comment on the Drupal page by now, because I didn't have the time to have a closer look than just the first screenshots. This will become one of my tasks after the LibO 3.3 release. For the moment just a few remarks to your idea of using this theme for the present website: I can't see the screenshots without horizontal scrolling - something I really would like to avoid. I don't know the minimal window size necessary for the Drupal site to look good, but here (with 1080px window width) the screenshot doesn't. Colors look too dark for representing a libre and open office suite and a contributor friendly community. The entire text area is crowded - borders are too narrow, not enough space over headings. And I don't like drop-down menus on websites, because they modify the visual impression very much. But all of these point are manageable before the Drupal site will become active - I just wanted to tell you, that I don't support using this theme for the SilverStripe site. [...] What do you think, guys? a) We'd get a lot more flexibility with the content. Please keep the minimum page width (without scrolling) of 990 px (some netbooks only have 1024x768 displays - and these are the system requirements for LibreOffice too). At the moment the page content is about 100px less in width, and the text area is just 700px - this could be broadened IMHO. With 990px width the screenshot shuffler would cover not more than half of the text area - this might be enough to correct the impression that it would be the main content on the page. I don't think that any text area broader than 800 px would allow us to have a consistent look and feel on different screens. This would mean to reduce the width of the content in a two-parted main area to about 390 px, three part with 260 px are nearly that what we have on the homepage besides the screenshot shuffler. I don't think that we should divide the homepage in such small parts, but for buttons / links / RSS feeds it might be a possible alternative. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi David, all, once again, please don't think I would not appreciate your great work, even if I try to improve the look and feel of the welcome page. David Nelson schrieb: Hi Bernhard, :-) On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 05:38, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: PPS: I still believe, that the visible part of the main page should not contain more than a few lines of text, a download button (can lead to the download page) and links to the most interesting areas. Please give me a suggestion for the few lines of text then. As I already stated in my other mail, we should try to address our visitor's interests during the first few seconds. We should try to find out what these interests are - a good place to work for our UX experts, but as long as we don't have any numbers, I think we should address those points: [1] Download - I want to get this product! [2] Features and audiences - Is this a product for me? For whom it is designed? Does it fit my needs? [3] Support - I need help! Anybody around here? [4] Contribution - Cool - I can improve it! [5] Feedback - What do others think of it? I want to share my opinion! [6] Internationalization - Can I get the product / information in my language? Can I contribute despite my bad English? Probably I forgot one or another important point, but you'll get, what I mean. Most of these interests are already covered by the main navigation, but this is not as attractive as on the page itself. And repeating important information is crucial (if we use different wording, the visitor might not even notice it). Please have a look at Christoph's proposal: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink One visually appealing area for (e.g.) the screenshot shuffler - together with the link to the download page [1]. Below three large buttons linking to the main areas of interest of most of the visitors: Features and Audiences [2]. (NavTab Features) This button might get sub-divisions for direct links to the features page and a page containing the benefits for our target groups (we don't have such a page by now?). Support [3]. (NavTab Get Help) Placed in the middle, it is visible at first sight. Comparable to the present navigation tab it allows to reach the FAQ with two mouse clicks - same for the mailing list archives, forums/fora or IRC channel... This button could be divided in free and professional support (page not yet created). Contribution [4]. (NavTab Get Involved) If developers think it to be very important, this button could become two-parted too, with one part linking to the development page directly. Each button could get a very short description, if necessary. Just one phrase to make people curious and to describe where you get. Only below this area some textual content is added. We could have here our latest news, a timetable with LibO events, the last two or three entries in the TDF blog or on twitter [5]. (I could imagine the blog and twitter area on the right third of the page, while the text based content would cover two thirds at the left). The last topic, Internationalization [6], could be added to the top right area. People not good in reading English will probably not manage to find out, that there is a link to Local Sites in the navigation bar. This area could be used too to announce that the present page is available translated in other languages. I'm sorry, that I can't design a mockup at the moment. Time is short even for adding the short phases... [1] Download: Download the largest community driven office suite in the world! [2] Features | Audiences: Find out why LibreOffice is the best office suite for your purposes: [3] Support: Open questions? Help needed? We're glad to be at your service - free and professional: (With the divided button visitors know that this doesn't mean that professional service must be free...) [4] Contribution: LibreOffice is driven by a community of volunteers. Join us! Share your skills! It's cool and fun! The present welcome page contains the most important information on LibreOffice, therefore this shouldn't be thrown away. I think, it could be integrated in the Features page - and in Benefits, if we create such a page too. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Website status
Hi David, Klaus-Jürgen, all, please re-read what Florian wrote in this thread: I can't make any promises with regards to leaving out the test of the website before Christmas, as this requires some more infrastructure work. In my understanding this means: He wants to put the page live (without test) *as soon as possible*. But because of the necessary infrastructure this will take more than a few days - thus possibly leading to the page update only in January. So Florian can't bring up the website *now* - that's a great pity (especially with regards to the immense work David put into the site during the last week), but we can't do anything against it. Florian's day is not longer than 24h - and his life doesn't consist of LibreOffice alone. What I'd like to ask is: Would it be a possible intermediate solution to do a redirect from http://www.libreoffice.org to http://www.test.libreoffice.org ? It would allow direct access to the new website for the public, even if the links would contain the test part. (If we want to, we could add a short info text in the footer about removing the test part in near future) I don't think that linking to the test site is more problematic than linking to http://www.documentfoundation.org as it is done now. Could this be a possible solution? Florian: Would it be possible to do such a redirect earlier? Best regards Bernhard PS: I understand Klaus-Jürgen's comment as possibility to use the time until the launch - not as an attempt to delay it. PPS: I still believe, that the visible part of the main page should not contain more than a few lines of text, a download button (can lead to the download page) and links to the most interesting areas. Twitter and blog in the scrolling area are ok, but I think a news area is more important than those tow. PPPS: The graphic on the main page links to http:///download/ (not a relative link...) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: TODO #6 test.libreoffice.org content improvements
Hi David, Hi Michael, :-) On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:48, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: Hi David, [...] * I would move the download link to the top - and have the explanation below it - it takes time to read through that text; I can feel my eyes getting tired - and - really, the platform / language combination is -really- sweet and simple. + eg. the German tranlation (missing an s) ;-) seems much crisper and prettier as of now. You're the second person to comment about this - Stefan made similar comments, too. I think the solution, therefore, will be to move the detailed instructions to a sub-page that will be accessible from the side menu (for inexperienced people), and just have a very brief text on the actual download page. I'll deal with this. I support Michael and Stefan (already wanted to include this in my mail about the main page, but didn't manage to do so). Downloading LibreOffice should be as easy as possible, so the download links must be the most prominent part of the page IMHO. The instructions can be placed at the lower part of the page - but I don't mind a sub-page, if they are not only referenced from the navigation, but from the text (near the download links) too. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: LibO-3.3-rc1 download icons still mentions beta
Hi Ivan, * CC'ing the website list because this might be interesting for images on our LibO website too. Ivan M. schrieb: Hi Bernhard, all, On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: once more forgot the link: [1]: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:TDF-Website-Initial-Design-Package.zip Thanks for that! Here is the demo: http://patentpending.co.nz/libreoffice/buttons/index.html You can see the HTML/CSS source to see how it works (but getting the image right in Inkscape was a huge pain). Of course, I can explain if anyone's interested. Thank you very much! Even if I'm not an expert in HTML/CSS I understand the advantages of this approach: - just one image http://patentpending.co.nz/libreoffice/buttons/images/button.png (plus the document symbol image where it is necessary) - images don't have to be replaced on hover, it's just a different text/background decoration by quite a simple CSS: http://patentpending.co.nz/libreoffice/buttons/style.css I could imagine, that this might work for the navigation tabs on the LibO website too, especially if a second horizontal navigation line (visible on mouse over the first level nav) would be considered. How do you avoid the text leaving the button because of line break or different standard fonts (other height or width than the font you used)? Does this needs a fixed not-to-be-replaced font in the page definition? Here at my system (SeaMonkey 2.0.11 on Ubuntu 10.10) the lower button's text is too broad for the button - this should be avoided: http://imagebin.org/128305 Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: Website design [was: Less Personal :-) .... Statement]
Hi Christoph, Klaus-Jürgen, all, Hi Bernhard, all! Am Donnerstag, den 16.12.2010, 01:39 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: 1. Create a website that can be active as soon as possible. This website is the SilverStripe website (clear decision by the SC), that needs content (now!) as well as design (at least to the LibO 3.3 release) showing the world, that we are an active community able to provide professional software and present it in a professional way. During the last days, I was thinking about how to improve the current website design. I know that I'm a bit late, so please consider these ideas to be ... ideas. If some of these could be implemented - this would be great. I'm currently sure that this will positively affect the experience of our users ... +1 [I started to draw some boundary boxes (several days ago) for one of the pages - in a very simplified point-of-view, the aim should be to reduce the number of lines to reduce an uncluttered design. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/xZawms3ks-rpnvizZFN6pA?feat=directlink Such an alignment should be able to achieve quite easily I hope. In this example, there isn't even a sub-menu that will add another item on the left hand site. But the white space on the left provides the room for the submenues. This causes the page to look asymmetric and shows the problem with the footer not being aligned with the page content. Also, on some pages there seems to be a breadcrumb menu: http://test.libreoffice.org/features/draw/ This breadcrumb menu needs (nearly) as much space as your proposed two-level navigation menu at the top. So, I started to work on a menu concept (and iterated a lot, I fell back to very simple but powerful version...) and added some more visual design. Thus, here is an example for the welcome page - along with the menus to be used on other pages: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bbnG0Hny0SpccJIZsGp72A?feat=directlink i like this aproach very much. It allows the user of the website to reach all the second level entries without moving the mouse from the top to thel left hand navigation. With providing the second level navigation already on mouse-over, it is very clear to the user where to reach all the areas of interest. And leaving the respective area is easy and intuitive too. My assumption is, that (having users in mind, and basic developer information as well) two menu levels should be sufficient for the page. A third level doesn't work well this way. If we can't avoid it, such a navigation should become part of the page itself (as floating box on the right border or something similar). Thus, we can avoid using the breadcrumb. The sub-menu is directly placed below the main menu (if required on that page). On all pages there should be fixed room for the two menu levels, thus avoiding moving the text around when navigating from one page to another. Another nice side-effect is the search functionality (once being available) is well integrated and also provides visual feedback if used (usually, search leads to somehow nowhere on other pages). +1, but needs smoe more work... But, of course, there are also many open points - e.g. the proper integration of the language projects (usually offered in the upper right), Do we want to have a login area on the website too? This should share the place with the language selection. Perhaps above / below the search button... ... and how to provide such Emotional Artwork (in the most simple case a static picture). However, it would be great to know what you think ... I like the navigation as well as the visual approach with one large and a few smaller areas. This keeps it simple, visual appealing and easy for the user of the page to reach the most interesting areas. So +1 for your approach - at least in the mid-term. I don't know if such a change is possible before the page goes online. It would be great - but I don't think it should be a stopper for going live (if the content will be ready and Florian will have the time to make this happen next week...) Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] license for wiki uploads [was: wiki todos]
Hi Florian, all, CC'ing the design list, because it's mainly their content we talk here (at the moment)... Hi Bernhard, Bernhard Dippold wrote on 2010-12-14 21.30: As we work on content to be included in the product in our wiki, I've been thinking about adding a second license to the wiki upload: LGPL. So the contributor can choose between: - CC - LGPL - CC LGPL double license (I'd prefer as default) What do you think? Would this be a question for the SC? I'm no license expert -- why do you want to do so, what would be the benefits? At the moment we work on the LibO mimetype icons and upload the source files to the wiki. If they would be licensed right from the beginning under LGPL, the final icons could easily be integrated in the product without asking every contributor for licensing their work under LGPL. This might be true for other graphics too when we start working on the Community Branding. I could imagine other parts of the package that might be handled in a similar way (menu icons, templates, gallery items ...). I'm not a license expert either, but nobody told me about negative aspects of such a double license strategy by now, so I just wanted to post my ideas... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-website] Re: Personal Statement
hi Christoph, all, thank you for this mail, it allows me a short(er) reply ;-) Christoph Noack schrieb: [...] So my plea is - please be patient with us all to finally deliver LibreOffice 3.3, let us take some deep breath (some of us are working since months without any significant pause), and pick up the discussions on the next gen infrastructure. +1 In the meantime ... Please consider to work together to make the Silverstripe based page a success, and thus, make LibreOffice a success. The more we learn within these next weeks and months, the better we will know why and how Drupal may be a better match for us. +1 (or even more) Discussion on general orientation and decisions in our community are important, but take some time for reading and writing. I don't think we have this time *now*, because everything discussed here has just very limited influence on the two most important activities in our community for the next few weeks: 1. Create a website that can be active as soon as possible. This website is the SilverStripe website (clear decision by the SC), that needs content (now!) as well as design (at least to the LibO 3.3 release) showing the world, that we are an active community able to provide professional software and present it in a professional way. 2. Prepare the LibO 3.3 release to make it a success in all the necessary fields: coding, presentation on the website and in public, documentation, translation / localization and so on. This task has to be handled by nearly every team in our community. Website needs work as mentioned above, design has to prepare the application / mimetype icons, provide marketing material and promotional design following our initial branding, marketing has to develop strategies to make this release a loud bang not only for the FOSS world, but for the general public too (please let me exaggerate a bit, you probably understand what I mean). I don't have to talk about coding, documentation and localization (including websites and local marketing activities) - there has already been done a tremendous work, but I'm quite sure that everybody will work hard until the last second, in order to make this release the best release we (including the old OOo community) ever had. There is a third task - mainly to be handled by the Steering Committee members: To install the legal foundation. Even if this is not visible here on the lists, I', quite sure that they spend more time as we imagine in this area. We are all volunteers, so no-one can force anybody to do something she or he doesn't like. I just beg you: Please let us all work on these tasks. The design team already put the discussion about our final Community Branding back until the LibO 3.3. release is over. We postponed the discussion on the goals of our community too, as even this topic is too complex for the present time and will have no influence on the product to be released now. (And I think we know quite well where we want to go). Please let's do something similar for the discussion on Drupal and when it should be able to replace SilverStripe. There is no need at all to discuss the wording and intention of the SC. We will see in a few months if the Drupal site will fit our needs better than the existing SilverStripe one. I'm quite sure it will, but this has not to be in January, not even in March. This switch doesn't have any time pressure - and I don't want us to create it. When the site is better for us we'll switch, and if not: I'm quite sure that the Drupal team will improve it until it fits. As I said above: I can't and I don't want to force you. But please consider to spend your precious spare time in one of the task with much less time. Every day without a working LibO website causes interested people to turn away from our product and our community. Every day with a less professional website causes people to think (and spread this thought) that our product might be in the same state as our website. And of course we need to provide the final release of our high quality product and promote it sufficiently as soon as possible. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] wiki todos
Hi Florian, * one comment on the image license: Florian Effenberger schrieb: [...] * the image license should be the CC license by default; I only managed to add it to the list, but can't set it as default As we work on content to be included in the product in our wiki, I've been thinking about adding a second license to the wiki upload: LGPL. So the contributor can choose between: - CC - LGPL - CC LGPL double license (I'd prefer as default) What do you think? Would this be a question for the SC? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] LibO-Website design
Hi David, would you please give us an update on the roadmap? David Nelson schrieb: [...]The site can be live and online *before* Christmas, and the community needs that urgently. I thought it should be reviewed and commented this week and go online at the weekend. There are several points I see potential for improvement on the present structure of the upcoming website. But this can discussed when the page is online. We need *content* now - and as you asked everybody to wait until you've finished your work, nobody will be able to help you with any of the pages showing placeholder text. Please don't spend too much time on design and visual optimization. This can all be done *after* the page is online. And while you work on the content, Klaus-Jürgen is wading through the CSS. Even a suboptimal formatted website is better than the present link to the TDF pages. We will probably not have any official announcement of the new website, until we agree on it's more or less perfect visual style. But as you already mentioned: We need the website now. And this means: We need content! What you already did is great - I never would have been able to do so much work in this area in such a short timeframe. Thank you very much! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?
Hi Marc, all, just a short comment with regards to a part of your mail that might be misunderstood... Marc Paré schrieb: [...] For members who would like to contribute, free to join in with the Drupal team as we have many areas where LibreOffice members may contribute. There are several areas of possible contribution. Personal opinions on what is necessary may be quite different, so please don't think this is the only or most urgent place your contribution is needed. Feel free to ask here on the list, if you're not sure about what tasks might fit your skills and interests best. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to website+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/website/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
