Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI
Sorry if this is a bit of a newbie question, but what's the issue with innerHTML? On 13/10/2007, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/12/07, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI (http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/) ? Do they, help to, build nice Standards based apps? Am I going to see green lights* in Firefox for standards compliance, error-free CSS and Javascript...oh...and will the HTML and CSS validate? If you want to absolutely follow standards, make sure you don't use any methods that wrap innerHTML. jQuery has one but it also has a bunch of methods that use the proper DOM methods (appendElement, removeElement, etc) so stick to the proper DOM methods and you will be fine. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Jason Foss http://www.almostanything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net http://last.fm/user/rockyshark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE7 - The Good the Bad and the Ugly
Ahh, good. Thanks Patrick. Will wait until I can get my hands on that one! On 04/03/06, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Foss wrote: We've actually noticed a couple of issues in some of our sites when viewed with IE7. Unfortunately I'm at home at the moment and the list is on a whiteboard in the office and I can't remember what they are... :blush: But I will say this - download it if you haven't already and start checking your sites for any potential issues. We're not about to attack any fixes yet (will wait until we get a final release before we start doing that) but it's worth taking note at this stage. Have a sneak peak at the performance of the next beta which will become available on March 20th. Lots of improvements, by the looks of it. http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/the_ie7_mix_06_release.html P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] testing tips
Thanks for the link to TAW3 Steve, haven't seen that one before. Shall have to ckeck it out! I know this costs money, but an account with Browsercan cam make this process much easier as well. Just submit a couple of URLs from your site, come back in a little while and check the display in more browsers that you probably need to worry about. Then depending on the degree of the rendering issue, and how important the browser is, you can decide on whether to address it or not. You can also use what they call Remote Access to log in to one of their machines and test flyout menus, javascript and other interactive elements. We've found it pretty useful. On 03/03/06, Steve Olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/03/2006, at 11:09 AM, Anja Kennedy wrote: Hi can anybody give me some tips regarding website testing? what browsers and versions to test in? which mac OS are required? and what model mac would be most suitable? thanks! Anja Testing can be done with Firefox Opera on all platforms - Windows, Mac OS X Linux. You then have some OS specific browsers - Windows = IE6, Mac OS X = Safari, Linux = Konqueror and/or Epiphany/Galeon which both use the Firefox rendering engine. Safari uses the khtml (Konqueror) rendering engine. All of these browsers are free so you can install Firefox Opera and your OS's default browser (IE - Safari) which gives you very good compatibility testing quickly. After downloading Firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/central/); don't forget to use the tools that are available with Firefox Extensions - IMHO every web developer should be using the following extensions when testing pages (or just normal browsing for that matter): 1. Web Developer - https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php? id=60application=firefox 2. HTML Validator - https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/ moreinfo.php?id=249application=firefox 3. TAW3 - https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php? id=1158application=firefox 4. View Rendered Source Chart - https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/ moreinfo.php?id=655application=firefox 5. View Formatted Source - https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/ moreinfo.php?id=697application=firefox These are just a few of the developer tools available but make validating HTML/XHTML and CSS quick and easy. The accessibility with TAW3 takes some getting used to ;-) Hope this helps! Steve Olive Bathurst Computer Solutions e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 Web: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au _ ... (0) ... / /\ .. / / .) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu
Son of Suckerfish can do several levels:
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Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu
Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote:
I am looking for some ideas on how to create a
JavaScript/CSS fly-out
menu, the dreaded day has come that a client finally
insisted on using one!
...
var menu = new Object();
menu[ about_bdsrecruit ] = new Object();
Yikes! Don't generate a menu like that, it's a waste of time.
Markup:
ul
lia href=#Item 1/a/li
liItem 2
ul
liSubmenu item 1/li
liSubmenu item 2/li
liSubmenu item 3/li
/ul
/li
liItem 3/li
/ul
Make them all links if you like, I just omitted the a
elements for simplicity.
CSS:
li ul { display: none; }
li:hover ul { display: block; }
/* Plus whatever styles you want to make it look good and
layout correctly. */
JS:
Attach mouseover and mouseout event listeners to the li
elements to show and hide the sub menus.
Google for Pure CSS Menus, Suckerfish Dropdowns CSS/JS
menus or similar search terms.
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[WSG] IE scrolling down automatically on page load
Hi all, I've found something that has got me totally stumped. In IE/Win, this site (http://gracemeresaleyards.com.au/saleyards/history/) scrolls down an inch or so on page load. I've got some Browsercam shots here: http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=218152 Anyone come across this before? Thanks! -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Konquerer becomes the 2nd browser to pass Acid2
Safari was the first wasn't it? Hope a Windows browser manages that soon... :( On 30/11/05, James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Just read this via KDE dot news (http://dot.kde.org/1133270759/) Konqueror is the second major web browser to pass the Acid2 CSS test, ahead of Firefox and Internet Explorer http://www.kde.org/announcements/visualguide-3.5.php This was done in June 2005 but was only ported to a stable branch released today. Bravo Konqi and a good day for better standards support. Both Konq and Safari share a similar codebase (KHTML : http://khtml.info ). Cheers James -- *** WSG Frammr map - where are you? http://www.frappr.com/wsg *** Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] File sizes in links: kb KB mb MB etc.
Far out Andy... now I'm really confused!!! To elaborate on your Quicktime example, I'd be inclined to say something like: * Optimised for broadband (5.4 Megabytes) * Optimised for dialup (1.2 Megabytes) Although separating binary from metric might be a new standard, it's a big ask to just throw new units of measurement at end users. For the most part it will have no impact on them anyway, as the file sizes are just an approximation when used in this way. Interesting info, though! On 27/10/05, Andy Kirkwood | Motive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dan, Data storage units are a bit of a can of worms. The problem lies in common-usage vs. international standards. There are also 'old' and 'new' standards for unit abbreviations. METRIC vs BINARY UNIT GUIDE Essential reading before continuing... http://www.romulus2.com/articles/guides/misc/bitsbytes.shtml RELEVANCE TO USERS There are a few reasons for showing filesize: -setting an expectation of time-to-download -setting an expectation of filesize (perhaps preferable for users on fixed usage plans) -inferring quality (assuming bigger file = better 'quality') As connection speeds tend to be in kilobits per second (kbps), then filesize _may be easier to convert to 'time-to-download'. (Although download speed uses metric notation while data storage values tends to use binary notation). The discrepancy between data transfer speed (metric) and filesize (mostly binary) is likely to be the root cause of the unit abbreviation confusion. I'd recommend MiB/MB for files greater than 1MiB/MB, and KiB/kB for files less than 1MiB/MB. If a single webpage offers alternative quality options, say for Quicktime media files, listing the download options with filesizes using the units may make it easier for the user to choose an appropriate option. Listing options in a meaningful order, e.g. from smallest-to-largest filesize will also help. (At all costs avoid ambiguous labels such as 'High' or 'Low' which could equally relate to connection speed or quality.) FILE SIZES UNDER MAC vs WINDOWS To add insult to injury, Mac and Windows operating systems use different systems when calculating filesize. Windows 2000 (File Properties) -binary: 1MiB (mebibyte) = 1024 KiB (kibibytes) Mac 0S X (File Info) -metric: 1MB (megabyte) = 1000 KB (kilobytes) SUMMARY Given the relative number of Mac and Windows users (more Windows users) and referring to the new IEC standards, the 'correct' unit abbreviation *should be* mebibytes (MiB) or kibibytes (KiB), however this flies in the face of common practice that refers to the 'old' standards of MB and KB. Toss a coin? a href=file.pdfSome file (PDF 0.1MB)/a My inclination is to use MB (Megabytes) where appropriate (ie. if the file is greater than 0.01MB), and KB (Kilobytes) for files less than 0.01MB. My reasoning is that more users can grasp the concept of a Megabyte (think floppy disks, flash drives, some MP3 players) than they can a kilobyte, kilobit or megabyte. My only concern would be that most sites seem to use (ambiguosly) one of the kb varieties. -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds
You'd need to be careful with this obviously, but it's handy to know it can be done. I don't think that a Flash background is necessarily bad in itself - it all depends on *how* it's done. On 26/09/05, Jon Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It worked in IE, Firefox and Netscape but in Opera it just displays the swf and leaves no trace of the text. And I agree Sam, having movement like that behind text is one of the worst things you can do. It was more a Hey this is possible after all thing. For instance you could create a much larger swf with a subtle misty cloud effect whose movements are barely visible Then you could have your site content over the top of it. Might look nice :) -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Accessibility, the possibilities
User testing? On 23/08/05, Stuart Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, First, I'd just like to check I understand something correctly. Validation for WAI AAA = WCAG 1.0 Priority 3. Is this correct? Ok, we can validate for: * W3C HTML/XHTML * CSS * WAI * Section 508 And I've recently learnt about accessibility checks for: * Colour blindness * Contrast * Flicker/strobe If you pass all these test, does this exhaust all accessibility issues or are there more? Regards, Stuart ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Hot Topic: HTML design [was Reason for leaving]
Being a bit of an XML newbie, what's the difference between quote credit=Mark Twain title=Innocents Abroad permalink=http://www.twainquotes.com/Virtue.html; text...virtue has never been as respectable as money./text /quote and quote creditMark Twain/credit titleInnocents Abroad/title permalinkhttp://www.twainquotes.com/Virtue.html/permalink text...virtue has never been as respectable as money./text /quote aside from some extra typing, I suppose? On 16/08/05, Alan Gutierrez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-08-15 23:52]: Patrick Lauke wrote: Well folks, here's a crazy idea: let's start some good discussions on the principles of web standards then. We need a bit of a catalyst to get things started. Any hot topics anybody's got at the moment? With the recent departure of a member who found this forum boring I thought I'd open up a discussion on html design. First, let me explain what I mean by html design. One of the tenets of web standards design is the separation of content and presentation. The benefits of this are often explained in terms of easy site updates, the ability to change the visual design by simply updating the CSS, and improved accessibility. All good stuff, and increasingly (as we know), web sites are produced where content is on one file (html) and the presentation is in another (CSS) Another idea related to web standards is that of semantic markup, where markup is used to give the document structure - after all, html is a structural language - and the ultimate goal is to create a web that is usable by both machines (semantic web) and people. So, when I use the term html design I am talking about how a web page is marked up, not only in terms of separating presentation and content, but how the document appears without reference to the visual design. By and large html design is not something happening in practice. Documents are marked up, and sometimes even the content refers to, the visual design. Document elements (both the tag and 'information chunk' variety) are placed in the source order according to how easy they are to position in the current visual design. Arguably, we need better browsers that can make the distinction between document content, navigation, and metadata, but isn't it about time we markup document's for the content without refering to the visual design, and separate out the navigation and other stuff a bit more? I'll bite. I'm going to posit a similar question on XML-DEV. I'm working on my own blogging software. While I finish my editor interface, I'm typing out the XML by hand, making up a document format as I go along. Existing formats, like DocBook struck me as overkill, and I wanted something I copy type. For the most part, there's a one to one mapping between my markup and HTML, with one or two important distinctions. An example of this is the quote. When I quote someone on my blog I need more than formatting. I need to give credit and link. Rather than: blockquote p...virtue has never been as respectable as money./p /blockquote Thus: quote credit=Mark Twain title=Innocents Abroad permalink=http://www.twainquotes.com/Virtue.html; text...virtue has never been as respectable as money./text /quote A quote is rendered in my blog as so: http://engrm.com/blogometer/2005/08/05/link-positive.html Quoting is important in blogging, as you'll note in my blog posting, the person I quoted returned to comment. It's part of the social aspect of social networking. In my blogging interface, a quote editor is going to be a special widget. For blogging quoting and linking are currency. -- Alan Gutierrez - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://engrm.com/blogometer/index.html - http://engrm.com/blogometer/rss.2.0.xml ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] help or web standards group?
It's a huge Help when the Subject line clearly defines the topic, that way you can quickly identify threads where you may want to participate. It also helps when browsing archives. Russ has covered this in the intro, and most lists do, but people still persist with Help Needed and equivalent vague and general subject titles. If the subjects are titled in clear descriptive language, then a lot of these list problem are solved, and you may more readily attract people on the list who can contribute to that thread. Regards Geoff If I can chip in too - I don't have a problem with newbie posts, nor more advanced posts. But I don't even open Help Needed type subject lines. A descriptive subject line is all that's needed; you can quickly decide if you want to read or get involved in the thread. My 2c, anyway... :D -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] WSG Meetings for the rest of us
That's good news Andrew - hope you manage to get it going. I realise the time involved in putting this sort of thing together, so I wouldn't be too fussy about the quality of the presentation, more interested in the content anyway! Not likely to ever have enough members in this area to set something up, so if anyone manages to share something from their meetings it would be much appreciated!!! Cheers Jason On 6/12/05, Andrew Krespanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If all goes to plan (and it has so far), this tuesday's Brisbane WSG meeting will be filmed with the intention of offering it up for WSG members. If anyone wants to volunteer to do the captioning that would be awesome, otherwise some of the locals will probably draw straws for it... (don't be afraid, SMIL is easy --- just disect Patrick's captioned version of a Zeldman speach ;p) I know the film quality will be bad because I'll probably end up holding the camera; but who cares, we've got to start somewhere. Cheers, Andrew. - leftjustified.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Suckerfish IE woes
Can you repost that link for me Mike? It's not working atm... On 6/7/05, Mike Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://mlol.signify.co.nz/templates/searchtest.html In IE6 I can't fully fully mouseover the dropdown menu items before they disappear. It works in IE5 and Mozilla. The HTML and CSS validate. And the problem isn't consistent - sometimes I can mouseover most of the dropdown menu, other times none of it. Any ideas, before I lose the rest of my hair and look like Russ :) I'm hoping it's just something simple I've missed. Thanks Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] overstyling forms
Like many other things that look fine in one browser, but not in others - this really just comes down to testing, doesn't it? I'm using Firefox on Windows XP and it looks the same as your screenshot - so it's not a platform issue. Not hard to test in this case. On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:41:51 +0900, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh the dangers of over constraining form elements: url from a previous thread http://www.gretagmacbeth.com/index/products/products_color-mgmt-spec/ products_cm-for-creatives/products_eye-one-display.htm The select element at the top of the page looks like this on my Firefox, nightly, OS X 10.3.8 http://emps.l-c-n.com/misc/gretagmacbeth-select.png (using customised widgets for OS X builds). Philippe ---/--- Philippe Wittenbergh now live : http://emps.l-c-n.com/ code | design | web projects : http://www.l-c-n.com/ IE5 Mac bugs and oddities : http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] different hover for visited links than unvisited?
Is there a way to use the DOM to scan the page for visited links and
assign them a class? I don't know enough about the subject to offer up
a solution myself - I'm not even sure that's possible. Can the DOM
check the 'visitedness' of an a element?
If it can that would be a cross-browser solution.
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:51:36 +1000, Andrew Krespanis
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a:visited:hover {
...styles...
}
OR
a:visited::hover { ... }
(double colon is CSS3 syntax)
Untested, but theoretically it should work...
Andrew.
http://leftjustified.net/
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:40:34 -0800, Andreas Boehmer
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I was wondering whether there is any way of creating a different hover
effect for visited links than unvisited links, but I have got the
feeling there is no way to achieve this?
I was first hoping it could be done by changing the standard order of
the pseudo classes, but that's not the way to go.
Has anybody found a way of getting this to work?
Thanks!
Andreas Boehmer
User Experience Consultant
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Re: [WSG] Standards?
They shouldn't have to care about standards. They shouldn't have to know about standards. Their time is too short, they're too busy running their business. Just build a standards-compliant site as something you do as a matter of course. I don't see any reason not to do that. We have no more need to explain this to a client than an electrican needs to explain to me the standards they work to. I assume they are there somewhere, and I expect they will work to them. Mike I'd agree with this. Standards and Best Practices are important - but if it's the only thing you can talk to your client about you might be in a bit of trouble. Clients are interested in results, in ROI and the like. Sure, you can mention standards-complientness (hey! new word) but if your whole pitch revolves around standards your client just won't be that interested. -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Quick h1,h2 etc question
I can't see any problems with your second example in theory - but it's an impossible question to answer without content. Remember that (X)HTML elements are supposed to describe or explain (for want of better words) the content that they are marking up. So there aren't any rules as to how header tags should nest or be ordered, for it depends completely on how you've laid out your content. My 2 bob's worth, anyway! ;-) On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:11:57 -, Jamie Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm sure this has been asked time and time again and is probably a daft question, but which is the proper way to use header tags? Thanks in advance for your patience and help! Jamie Is it... = 1) All headers must be used in order only, so most important headers go at the top then grade downwards with less important headers always being lower down = h1/h1 h2/h2 h2/h2 h3/h3 h4/h4 h4/h4 ..etc = Or = 2) With the exception of h1 used once, can you set the headers out loosely in the same tree structure lists are set out in? So h3 would only be used as a child (but not nested within) of an h2, h4 as a child of h3 etc? Then reading downwards through the headers, you're allowed to move backwards say from an h3, back to an h2? I'm not sure how to explain my question, but basically I think, can you define tree structures with headers? or do they have to be used in an ordered numerical hierarchy? = h1/h1 h2/h2 h3/h3 h3/h3 h2/h2 h3/h3 h3/h3 h4/h4 h4/h4 h2/h2 -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] X-STANDARD
Allow me to back up what Brett has just said - I've only recently started using it but it works fine in Firefox 1.0. Not really designed for creating sites from scatch - but it is perfect as an interface for your clients to edit their own website. The touble with most of those plugins is they don't really generate decent code - where xStandard does. You can give your client control of the content of their website and still be confident that the code will still be standards-compliant in 6 months time! -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] NZ Photo gallery test please
Neerav - what's the URL? On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:54:01 +1100, Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi could a few people have a quick look at my newly constructed New Zealand photo gallery to make sure there aren't any obvious display errors? I've already checked it with the W3C validators, Firefox 1.0, IE6 SP1, IE 5.5 and Opera 7.52 FYI It's a heavily hacked version of http://singapore.sourceforge.net/ thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] NZ Photo gallery test please
I haven't checked it in anything other than you have already listed - and have only spotted one minor thing. The Water [18 images] doesn't centre properly under the photo, where the others appear to centre okay. But that's just being really picky...! On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:03:40 +1000, Jason Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neerav - what's the URL? On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:54:01 +1100, Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi could a few people have a quick look at my newly constructed New Zealand photo gallery to make sure there aren't any obvious display errors? I've already checked it with the W3C validators, Firefox 1.0, IE6 SP1, IE 5.5 and Opera 7.52 FYI It's a heavily hacked version of http://singapore.sourceforge.net/ thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au http://www.waterfallweb.net Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help - newbie
I haven't even heard of TSW coder before - but it looks pretty good. The built-in code validators look really handy - especially for bug-hunting. Thanks for the link! On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:35:31 +1100, Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glad to help! It honestly is the best ever coder I have used. It is true that for Server Side Scripting - it isn't as helpful as it is for HTML. But is is really advanced in that, when you have a document - for example a PHP document, like below: ? php php php php php php php php php php php php ? html head style css css css css css css css css css css css css /style script lang=text/javascript script script script script script script script script /script html html html html html html html html html html html html The program will use PHP Syntax Highligting for the PHP side of the page... HTML for the HTML. CSS for the Styles... and Javascript for the Javascript :) Its really good!!! Love it! Bruce wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: Wow,wow,wow slow down Alan, ... snip I LOVE TSW WebCoder. Built in FTP is Excellent! Built in Project Manager - with Status reports, To Do Lists, Full Project Upload Built in Server Mapping. Preview in IE and Mozilla - only for HTML coding, or if your server mapping... HTML Tidy is built in... Built in HTML/CSS Validator - on the fly validators... Own Scripting Engine, to build your own UI or just functions... Reading the above I decided it wouldn't kill me to try this out. Normally I use an editor just to have clear code highlighted, but this one is terrific. I especially like the download/edit/upload. A great timesaver for sure, and I haven't checked out all of it yet. Thank you Chris, you have made my work easier. That's what the group excels at, helping each other :-) Bruce Prochnau www.bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss http://www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A quick breakdown of some code today
Errr... Russ made more sense to me... What browsers support CSS3? I'm guessing Firefox does/might. Are there others? On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:28:38 -, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: russ - maxdesign I remember when I first started getting into CSS, code like this would make me freak out: [...] So, for those that are reasonably new to CSS, I'd thought I'd break it down into bite size pieces. And for those rare occasions where Russ isn't handily available to break down complex selectors, you can visit the selectoracle http://gallery.theopalgroup.com/selectoracle/ A bit more concise than the step by step explanation, but useful nonetheless. The example in question div.content a[href^=http:] comes out with the following translation: Selects any a element with a href attribute that begins with http: that is a descendant of a div element with a class attribute that contains the word content. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia + Please send any off-list replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] + ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] challenge: any way to do this with suckerfish-derived menus?
Interesting challenge! Maybe this might help: http://www.csscreator.com/menu/multimenu.php These are some examples of multi-level menus here based upon the Suckerfish principle. I haven't used them, but at least they're CSS based with more than one level. Hope that helps! -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] simple javascript question
Hi Ted, I'm no javascript expert, but I believe language=javascript is deprecated and no longer really required anyway. I only use 'type' and haven't found any scripts breaking. Cheers Jason. On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:34:28 -0800, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this valid language=JavaScript type=text/javascript or should I just have type only. I'm afraid of breaking any functions that might require the language. Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] International Pages Check
Thanks for the link Paul - that's a good one. Rick: Thanks for checking it out. I thought about the caption idea, and at first thought yeah, that makes sense, but then I figured that if you don't recognise the flag, there's a fair chance you won't speak the language anyway! Or am I just being belligerent? If I'm going to add captions they should be in the foreign language? Cheers Jason. PS is the server still slow? Temporary issue I hope... On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:27:24 -0700, Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no language identified in the DOCTYPE and the html tag (I only checked the Spanish and Mandarin pages). |This link may be helpful:| |http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_7_identifying_your_language.html| || |Paul| || || || Jason Foss wrote: Hi all, This site is still well and truly in draft stage (I know - the menu is still up the spout!) but looking for feedback specifically on the internationalisation of the following pages: http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-german.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-swedish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-spanish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-mandarin.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-cantonese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-japanese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-korean.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-thai.php First time I've had a crack at foreign character sets - any feedback on this aspect of the site would be much appreciated! Cheers Jason ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] International Pages Check
Thanks Richard - we did have that trouble with Simplified Chinese and Traditional Chinese. Same flag - didn't really know how to differentiate them. Cheers! On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:22:18 -, Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jason, Paul, Apart from the fact that a user would not always like to see their language associated with the flag of another country, there are other reasons for not using flags. If you want to specify Swiss German, vs Swiss French vs. Swiss Italian sites, you need a second level of choice than that offered by the national flag. Best use the name of the language in the language and script of the country. (For help with this see http://people.w3.org/rishida/names/languages.html ) Note also that the language expressed in the DOCTYPE should not be changed - the DTD is in English. It's the html language attribute that you should change. (I had to explain this to someone recently, so thought I'd mention it.) At the W3C we have been working on the ins and outs of language declarations over the past months (from a content author's perspective). It wasn't as straightforward as we thought! Please take a look at Authoring Techniques for XHTML HTML Internationalization: Specifying the language of content 1.0 [1] for the latest in-edit version of our recommendations. (There's also an attempt to make it easier to get advice on this via a summary page at [2]). For an example of how we do this (on pages that are actually content-language negotiated too), see [3]. Hope that helps, RI [1] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-lang.html [2] http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/outline/html-authoring-outline .html [3] http://www.w3.org/International/O-charset Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Foss Sent: 14 November 2004 20:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] International Pages Check Thanks for the link Paul - that's a good one. Rick: Thanks for checking it out. I thought about the caption idea, and at first thought yeah, that makes sense, but then I figured that if you don't recognise the flag, there's a fair chance you won't speak the language anyway! Or am I just being belligerent? If I'm going to add captions they should be in the foreign language? Cheers Jason. PS is the server still slow? Temporary issue I hope... On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:27:24 -0700, Paul Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no language identified in the DOCTYPE and the html tag (I only checked the Spanish and Mandarin pages). |This link may be helpful:| |http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_7_identifying_your_language.html || || |Paul| || || || Jason Foss wrote: Hi all, This site is still well and truly in draft stage (I know - the menu is still up the spout!) but looking for feedback specifically on the internationalisation of the following pages: http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-german.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-swedish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-spanish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-mandarin.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-cantonese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-japanese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-korean.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-thai.php First time I've had a crack at foreign character sets - any feedback on this aspect of the site would be much appreciated! Cheers Jason ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows
[WSG] International Pages Check
Hi all, This site is still well and truly in draft stage (I know - the menu is still up the spout!) but looking for feedback specifically on the internationalisation of the following pages: http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-german.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-swedish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-spanish.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-mandarin.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-cantonese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-japanese.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-korean.php http://www.rrdl.com.au/cqieta/info-thai.php First time I've had a crack at foreign character sets - any feedback on this aspect of the site would be much appreciated! Cheers Jason -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] discussion at juicy studio: It's all in the MIME
Is anyone aware of a good reference on configuring Apache to serve the files as the correct MIME type? Something in English would be good - a system administrator I'm not! Does it need to be set up in a per-site basis (as they're all set up as Virtual Hosts.) I'm assuming this can be done with .htaccess files? On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:18:24 -0300, Julián Landerreche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading this (http://www.juicystudio.com/all-in-the-mime.asp) my beliefs in XHTML has been shaked. What is this all about? Is it a bad practice to serve XHTML as text/html? is it harmful? what are the disvantages? The thuth is I cant understand what is this all about, and I didnt really understood the whole article (for example, what's that tag soup expression means?). After reading the article (and some related articles) I feel i'm doing things in the wrong way (because I serve xhtml as text/html, without even really understand what does it mean). I'm newbie in web-standards practice, but I have strong beliefs in standards and i like to do the things in the right way. I hope to hear clarifing and reassuring words from all the list, and specially from the gurus of WSG. regards Mannequin pd: excuse my poor english. Paul Farrell wrote: I have been following this discussion (belatedly) It's all in the MIME http://www.juicystudio.com/all-in-the-mime.asp first paragraph: There have been a lot of articles recently about web standards; in particular, using XHTML and serving it as text/html. Personally, I'm not that bothered whether people serve XHTML as text/html, but think it's important that authors understand why this is wrong. Although I'm not bothered about content developers serving XHTML as text/html, I don't agree with people encouraging content developers to deliver XHTML as text/html. I wondered what other memebrs on the list thought about it and its implications? with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Information Library Service A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd. Firstly, as a new member, I can't believe it took me so long to find WSG. As I understand it, the problem with serving XHTML as text/html is that an user agents view the code as 'tag soup', and therefore present malformed code normally. I think that as long as a developer regularly validates their code, they can continue to serve XHTML as text/html until MSIE supports application/xhtml+xml. Once again, great list. Although I find myself sitting here immersed in these email when I really should be working. Regards Paul Farrell ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Problems with hopping menu list in IE
It's not hopping for me - have you fixed it already? Cheers Jason On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:23:41 +0100, Dietmar Albers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi @llz, Please have a look at http://www.albruco.com/A4F/. On mouse over and on click the top menu is hopping up and down. This appaers in IE(6) only. Any ideas? CSS is at http://www.albruco.com/A4F/style/main.css. HTML and CSS is validated. Cheers and thanks Dietmar. -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] WE04 Summary (blowing my own trumpet)
Oops - I'll get that fixed. Keen eye! Thanks! On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:18:59 +1000, Lindsay Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:32:56 +1000, Jason Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I miss anything imprtant? Yes. A 'z' in: http://www.mezoblue.com/ :) -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] that darn IE
I see what you mean. What happens if you set overflow to visible?
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:55:33 -0700, Ted Drake
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Here's a question that I haven't seen mentioned very often. probably because form
elements normally make the strong-willed folks quiver and those of us that are a bit
weaker throw up our arms and scream for our mommies. So, here it is.
We have select boxes that show the entire word on firefox, if the word is long, it
stretches the dropdown to fit it.
In IE 6win, I don't know about the others at this time, the width of the dropdown is
constrained to a set width and overflow is hidden.
Here is the appropriate style
#leftquote select {width:48%; float:left;margin:2px 0; }
You can see the effect on this page http://www.csatravelprotection.com
look at the destination dropdown in the left side.
Thanks for any feedback
Ted
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[WSG] WE04 Summary (blowing my own trumpet)
Greetings! I penned a bit of a summary of some of the things I learned at WE04, and Sitepoint have published it! http://www.sitepoint.com or straight to the article: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/essentials-modern-web-design Did I miss anything imprtant? Well, it's too late now if I did, but I think I covered mostly everything within the scope of the article. (Not everything at the conference mind you!) -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] two column IE issues
Have you fixed it already? IE6 on WinXP looks the same as Firefox 0.9... On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:13:13 +1300, Darren Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey team! Like the rest of you I wish I didn't have to worry about IE. I do all my dev on a linux box running Firefox 0.10. Needless to say all my XHTML and CSS looks exactly the way I want it to...then I start testing in IE...sigh / http://dev.webdeveloper.co.nz/site/ [The CSS is in the source...] u: dev p: w3dev IE completely wrecks my design, refusing to float the sidenav to the right. Any ideas how I could possibly fix this? [NOTE: this thread is likely to bore most of you so please send responses offlist, and I'll send the solution at the end once one presents itself.] Thanks in advance! Darren www.webdeveloper.co.nz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Solutions for testing in speech/text readers
Someone said once that there was a version of JAWS that would work for 40 hours or something like that - which is a LOT of testing. (40 hours as in 10 minutes here, 5 minutes there etc) Can anyone confirm that? ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 22 October 2004 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Solutions for testing in speech/text readers Nick You can download a trial (30 days) copy of IBM homepage reader (web browser): [windows only] http://www-3.ibm.com/able/solution_offerings/hpr.html this is a good tool for getting a feel for how your pages are heard as it is simpler/easier to use than full blown screen readers such as JAWS. there is also a screen reader [outSPOKEN] for the mac which you can download a demo of, but i think it may have stopped being produced. http://www.synapseadaptive.com/alva/outspoken/outspoken_for_mac.htm with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Information Library Service A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd. Nick Lo [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ctive.com cc: Sent by: Subject: [WSG] Solutions for testing in speech/text readers [EMAIL PROTECTED] group.org 22/10/2004 12:31 PM Please respond to wsg Steven Faulkner just made me realise I've not yet seen or asked about set-ups for actually testing sites using speech/text readers. There are plenty of articles on browser testing but how would you go about setting up an environment for testing via speech/text readers. I use a Mac for development (OS X) but do have an old PC for browser testing. What are the solutions available? Thanks, Nick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Solutions for testing in speech/text readers
Oh well... I knew it was 40 somethings! ;-p On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:43:17 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looks like its 40 minutes not 40 hours :-(( The Free Demo download of JAWS for Windows is a full featured product. It includes the synthesizer and everything you'll need to install and operate JAWS for 40 minutes. Please continue below to download and begin using it today. http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_downloads/jaws_form.asp with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Information Library Service A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd. Jason Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ing.com.aucc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [WSG] Solutions for testing in speech/text readers [EMAIL PROTECTED] oup.org 22/10/2004 02:03 PM Please respond to wsg Someone said once that there was a version of JAWS that would work for 40 hours or something like that - which is a LOT of testing. (40 hours as in 10 minutes here, 5 minutes there etc) Can anyone confirm that? ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 22 October 2004 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Solutions for testing in speech/text readers Nick You can download a trial (30 days) copy of IBM homepage reader (web browser): [windows only] http://www-3.ibm.com/able/solution_offerings/hpr.html this is a good tool for getting a feel for how your pages are heard as it is simpler/easier to use than full blown screen readers such as JAWS. there is also a screen reader [outSPOKEN] for the mac which you can download a demo of, but i think it may have stopped being produced. http://www.synapseadaptive.com/alva/outspoken/outspoken_for_mac.htm with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Information Library Service A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd. Nick Lo [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ctive.com cc: Sent by: Subject: [WSG] Solutions for testing in speech/text readers [EMAIL PROTECTED] group.org 22/10/2004 12:31 PM Please respond to wsg Steven Faulkner just made me realise I've not yet seen or asked about set-ups for actually testing sites using speech/text readers. There are plenty of articles on browser testing but how would you go about setting up an environment for testing via speech/text readers. I use a Mac for development (OS X) but do have an old PC for browser testing. What are the solutions available? Thanks, Nick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints
RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations
Yes - that *does* help! I was wondering how I was going to copy and paste from Word - how that was going to work. But I'm assuming if the Word doc is supplied in Unicode then that solves the problem. Cheers! ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Cheshire Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2004 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations Hi everyone, I'm new to this group and this is my first post. I'd like to re-iterate a previously mentioned comment as I think it's extremely important: it may seem obvious, but in the experience I have had, the word docs supplied by your translation company must use the Unicode font too. I would specify this as a major requirement to the translation company. The company that did my translations used a third party font (not Unicode) which turned the job into a costly nightmare. Hope this helps! Steve. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frederic Fery Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2004 12:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations Hi Jason I have similar requirement for some of my sites here at the Uni of technology Sydney is it indiscrete to ask you about the ball park those 2 companies gave you? offlist? do they charge per page per language? regards Frederic On 20/10/2004, at 12:30 PM, Jason Foss wrote: We've approached On-Call Interpreters in Melbourne and Precision Languages in Sydney. Both quotes came back in the same ballpark, and it's not a huge amount of text so the cost is not prohibitive. Thanks also for that link Roger - seeing it in action helps a lot. (I think... If only I could read Chinese!) BTW - what makes you think the image thing was a joke? :o) Cheers ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herrod, Lisa Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2004 11:26 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations Jason, I worked on a site a while ago that required translation into 14 different languages. It was an education based portal that contained a lot of text. One of the issues we encountered was when documents were translated in a word document and then supplied to the development team to transfer into a HTML doc. It might seem like an obvious problem now, but at the time it was one of the things that got us. this site had hundreds of pages of text to translate though. Yours might be a bit different. Incidentally, do you mind telling me which translation agencies you've approached? I have worked for quite a few of them in sydney and am just a bit curious :) Hope that helps, Lisa ps haha funny joke about using a big image! :) -Original Message- From: Jason Foss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Foreign Translations Greetings! I have a client who wants part of their website translated into a few other languages, some of them Asian (Chinese Korean are a couple). I have obtained a couple of quotes from translation agencies to actually do the translations, but does anyone have experience with actually implementing this sort of thing in a website? The easy way is to make an image out of the translation and pop that there - but I don't want to do that for obvious reasons!!! I'm reading a bit about character sets and encoding, but it's all a bit abstract at this point. Any experiences or how-to references would be much appreciated! Ta Jason ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help
RE: [WSG] Broken Menus and Bullets
For a start, you have identified your nav list as id=nav, and it's sitting
inside a container id=sidebar - use those in your menu.css file otherwise
what you do with this styling will apply to all your lists unless stated
otherwise.
When I'm using these I would say :
#sidebar ul {
margin: 0 0 0 12px;
padding: 0;
list-style:disc outside;
color:#fff;
width: 163px; /* Width of Menu Items */
font-size:0.7em;
}
instead of :
ul {
margin: 0 0 0 12px;
padding: 0;
list-style:disc outside;
color:#fff;
width: 163px; /* Width of Menu Items */
font-size:0.7em;
}
That might help - go thru your menu.css and be more specific with
identifying which list elements you're referring to...
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Almost Anything Desktop Publishing
www.almost-anything.com.au
Telephone: (07) 4927 8033
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Natalie Buxton
Sent: Thursday, 21 October 2004 1:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] Broken Menus and Bullets
Hi All
Im having big issues with a design Im working on.
Example live: http://pixelkitty.net/devel/wsg/whirl.php
The left Menu is broken in both Mozilla and IE on Windows. As you go further
down, the menu items are transparent. The menu is the basic one from ALA's
horizontal drop down example.
issue two is that when the menu is included in the #sidebar , my bullets
dissapear in the #content.
This issue is driving me completely insane and I just cannot work out where
the conflict is.
Looking forward to your advice.
Natalie
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RE: [WSG] Broken Menus and Bullets
Natalie, give this a try - it works for me. My containing div is
#navigation, and my ul is #nav
/*--- nav stuff -*/
#navigation {
float:left;
width:160px;
}
ul#nav {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
list-style: none;
width: 150px; /* Width of Menu Items */
border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc;
}
ul#nav li {
position: relative;
width: 150px;
color: #777;
background: #fff; /* IE6 Bug */
padding: 5px;
border: 1px solid #ccc; /* IE6 Bug */
border-bottom: 0;
}
li ul {
position: absolute;
left: 120px; /* Set 1px less than menu width */
top: 0;
display: none;
border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc;
}
/* Styles for Menu Items */
ul#nav li a {
display: block;
text-decoration: none;
color: #777;
}
/* Holly Hack. IE Requirement \*/
* html ul#nav li { float: left; height: 1%; }
* html ul#nav li a { height: 1%; }
/* End */
#nav a:hover {
background-color:#99;
}
li:hover ul, li.over ul { display: block; width:100%; } /* The magic */
/* end nav stuff ---*/
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Almost Anything Desktop Publishing
www.almost-anything.com.au
Telephone: (07) 4927 8033
Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312
Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701
We can do almost anything!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Natalie Buxton
Sent: Thursday, 21 October 2004 2:50 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Broken Menus and Bullets
Hi
I havent set the z-index of any other containers - I was testing to see if
adding one z-index would make a difference - which it didnt. I could z-index
all the divs though which could fix the transparency issue perhaps?
Regarding re-naming the styles for the list items - I attempted this in the
sidebar/nav List but it broke the javascript and the list itself. So instead
I added classes to the other list items.
Obviously, its still the wrong method because doing either breaks everything
even further.
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:17:35 +1000, Kevin Futter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I interpreted this as a z-index issue too ... (but I didn't check the
code).
Kevin
On 21/10/04 1:48 PM, Stephen Cheshire
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
What's the z-index of the block of text starting with Maecenas
laoreet laoreet...
is it greater than the submenus? Because I'm thinking the menus
aren't transparent but simply behind the text?
Steve.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Natalie Buxton
Sent: Thursday, 21 October 2004 1:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] Broken Menus and Bullets
Hi All
Im having big issues with a design Im working on.
Example live: http://pixelkitty.net/devel/wsg/whirl.php
The left Menu is broken in both Mozilla and IE on Windows. As you go
further down, the menu items are transparent. The menu is the basic
one from ALA's horizontal drop down example.
issue two is that when the menu is included in the #sidebar , my
bullets dissapear in the #content.
This issue is driving me completely insane and I just cannot work
out where the conflict is.
Looking forward to your advice.
Natalie
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[WSG] Foreign Translations
Greetings! I have a client who wants part of their website translated into a few other languages, some of them Asian (Chinese Korean are a couple). I have obtained a couple of quotes from translation agencies to actually do the translations, but does anyone have experience with actually implementing this sort of thing in a website? The easy way is to make an image out of the translation and pop that there - but I don't want to do that for obvious reasons!!! I'm reading a bit about character sets and encoding, but it's all a bit abstract at this point. Any experiences or how-to references would be much appreciated! Ta Jason ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations
They are being provided in a Word document. Do you know if you can pull Unicode out of that? Thanks! ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2004 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations Jason, haven't got direct experience in doing this, but my gut feeling would be to encode everything in unicode (UTF-8) as it should cover most character sets required. You'll need the translated bits of text provided as unicode as well, to place within your document. Does that make sense? Patrick H. Lauke _ re.dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations
We've approached On-Call Interpreters in Melbourne and Precision Languages in Sydney. Both quotes came back in the same ballpark, and it's not a huge amount of text so the cost is not prohibitive. Thanks also for that link Roger - seeing it in action helps a lot. (I think... If only I could read Chinese!) BTW - what makes you think the image thing was a joke? :o) Cheers ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herrod, Lisa Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2004 11:26 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations Jason, I worked on a site a while ago that required translation into 14 different languages. It was an education based portal that contained a lot of text. One of the issues we encountered was when documents were translated in a word document and then supplied to the development team to transfer into a HTML doc. It might seem like an obvious problem now, but at the time it was one of the things that got us. this site had hundreds of pages of text to translate though. Yours might be a bit different. Incidentally, do you mind telling me which translation agencies you've approached? I have worked for quite a few of them in sydney and am just a bit curious :) Hope that helps, Lisa ps haha funny joke about using a big image! :) -Original Message- From: Jason Foss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Foreign Translations Greetings! I have a client who wants part of their website translated into a few other languages, some of them Asian (Chinese Korean are a couple). I have obtained a couple of quotes from translation agencies to actually do the translations, but does anyone have experience with actually implementing this sort of thing in a website? The easy way is to make an image out of the translation and pop that there - but I don't want to do that for obvious reasons!!! I'm reading a bit about character sets and encoding, but it's all a bit abstract at this point. Any experiences or how-to references would be much appreciated! Ta Jason ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations
The charge was based on a per 100 English words basis - and different languages had different rates - so my quote probably won't help you much anyway (unless you're asking about the same number of words translated into the same languages) - but they both emailed back quotes promptly, so maybe best if you contact them yourself: www.oncallinterpreters.com www.precisionlanguages.com ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederic Fery Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2004 12:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations Hi Jason I have similar requirement for some of my sites here at the Uni of technology Sydney is it indiscrete to ask you about the ball park those 2 companies gave you? offlist? do they charge per page per language? regards Frederic On 20/10/2004, at 12:30 PM, Jason Foss wrote: We've approached On-Call Interpreters in Melbourne and Precision Languages in Sydney. Both quotes came back in the same ballpark, and it's not a huge amount of text so the cost is not prohibitive. Thanks also for that link Roger - seeing it in action helps a lot. (I think... If only I could read Chinese!) BTW - what makes you think the image thing was a joke? :o) Cheers ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herrod, Lisa Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2004 11:26 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations Jason, I worked on a site a while ago that required translation into 14 different languages. It was an education based portal that contained a lot of text. One of the issues we encountered was when documents were translated in a word document and then supplied to the development team to transfer into a HTML doc. It might seem like an obvious problem now, but at the time it was one of the things that got us. this site had hundreds of pages of text to translate though. Yours might be a bit different. Incidentally, do you mind telling me which translation agencies you've approached? I have worked for quite a few of them in sydney and am just a bit curious :) Hope that helps, Lisa ps haha funny joke about using a big image! :) -Original Message- From: Jason Foss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Foreign Translations Greetings! I have a client who wants part of their website translated into a few other languages, some of them Asian (Chinese Korean are a couple). I have obtained a couple of quotes from translation agencies to actually do the translations, but does anyone have experience with actually implementing this sort of thing in a website? The easy way is to make an image out of the translation and pop that there - but I don't want to do that for obvious reasons!!! I'm reading a bit about character sets and encoding, but it's all a bit abstract at this point. Any experiences or how-to references would be much appreciated! Ta Jason ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** --- Frederic Fery ITD Client Web Services Manager University of Technology, Sydney. http://www.hss.uts.edu.au Monday Ph: 02 9514 9933 http://www.dab.uts.edu.au Thursday Ph: 02 9514 8937 http://www.nmh.uts.edu.au Friday Ph: 02 9514 5128
RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations
Yeah - thanks Lisa. On-Call Interpreters did mention this specifically in their quote, that stuff will need to be proof read after. But thanks for the heads-up anyway. ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herrod, Lisa Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2004 12:43 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations Just to repeat what I was saying before, be really careful with the word docs. you really need to have one of the translators proof the text on screen to check for errors including strange characters and word breaks etc. -Original Message- From: Jason Foss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Foreign Translations They are being provided in a Word document. Do you know if you can pull Unicode out of that? Thanks! ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2004 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations Jason, haven't got direct experience in doing this, but my gut feeling would be to encode everything in unicode (UTF-8) as it should cover most character sets required. You'll need the translated bits of text provided as unicode as well, to place within your document. Does that make sense? Patrick H. Lauke _ re.dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] w3c badges
Customers don't really care - it's true - but I've started using those Steal these Buttons ones (on clients' sites as well) to try and help build awareness. I don't think it does any harm... Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Faaberg Sent: Monday, 18 October 2004 2:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] w3c badges I also agree with your last point - the general public neither knows nor cares about this stuff. We developers only do it for self-congratulation and brownie points from other developers and standards zealots. I'd certainly think twice (or more) before putting them on a client's site. What is your opinion (and practice) with regard to putting the W3C badges on you clients' sites? I'm thinking just don't do it. Best, Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Online HTML text editor
I was actually hunting around for something like this just yesterday! It's not perfect - but it's not the worst thing I've seen either. Thanks for the link. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jacobus van Niekerk Sent: Monday, 11 October 2004 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Online HTML text editor Hi all, Just though I should share this nice open source HTML text editor that produces valid XHTML. http://www.fckeditor.net/ Enjoy! Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 This e-mail message is confidential and intended solely for the person to whom or the entity to which it is addressed. All the contents and any attachments remain the property of Catics Ltd unless so stated. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from reading, copying, using or disclosing this message to others. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail or by telephoning +27 21 9827805 and thereafter delete the message. Catics Ltd does not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.775 / Virus Database: 522 - Release Date: 2004/10/08 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] best tags for FAQs
The first thing I thought of was a definition list, as the DT and the DD are directly related as pairs. If you go past the fact that it's called Definition List, the relationships created make perfect sense as an FAQ list as well, IMHO! Cheers Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Boehmer Sent: Monday, 4 October 2004 10:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] best tags for FAQs Hi guys, I am in the process of creating a FAQ section in one of my websites and I was wondering what would be the best tags to use for the questions/answers? Perhaps there is no standard, but I was wondering whether a definition (DT, DD) would be applicable? Doesn't really sound right to me, but it would be nice to use specific tags to easily identify questions and answers on a FAQ page, don't you think? Thanks for the feedback! Andreas. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
