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be interested too.
What is the current state of the ABC standard for lower case w:?
It's quite widely supported now, although there are minor differences
of interpretation between applications.
Any help would be appreciated.
Sorry I can't be more helpful.
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Frank Nordberg wrote:
I know the problems of ABCing renaissance music has been discussed a
couple of times at abcusers. Perhaps this could be a good iluustration.
Some of the problems mentioned here are generic ABC, others are BarFly
related (other programs have other poblems, of course - it
though, so don't hold your breath!
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(at a pinch)
without a recent version of Quicktime installed.
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ul.
If anybody else wants to play around with this, I have a few Mac ROM files
which I have collected from old machines which are about to be scrapped,
and which I can give away (I hope!) without infringing Apple's copyright.
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w years ago:
http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/humor/BillAndSatan.html
Brilliant!
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if it's OK to give out his email address.
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The program MacMIDI2abc which I mentioned previously is available
from:
http://www.dr-razz.com/midi2abc/
It's a very nice Macintosh port of James' midi2abc.
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to edit the
output of abc2midi than it is to listen to the tune and write the abc
yourself from scratch.
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Laura wrote:
"Phil" == Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Phil Under the circumstances, I think James is to be
Phil congratulated on how well abc2midi actually does. After
Phil all, it's still a lot easier to edit the output of abc2midi
Phil than it is to listen t
Bryan Creer wrote:
Phil Taylor says -
If this change in standard
becomes accepted, the vast majority of users will use it not just for
the ambiguous tunes where it is appropriate, but for ALL transcriptions.
You want to stop this change in standard because it is something the vast
majority
erratic results if
you give it too few notes to work with.
On the whole, I'd say that Henrik was correct to assign it to
D Mix, even though it probably spends more of it's time in G.
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ses that include key information.
Phil Taylor (my hero) wrote:
I'll repeat what I said before on this subject. If this change
in standard becomes accepted, the vast majority of users will
use it not just for the ambiguous tunes where it is appropriate,
but for ALL transcriptions. We will have lost what
margins).
Can you see the truncation on the screen, or is it purely a printing problem?
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to play MIDI or
music movies.) and in the other it would play only when "Highlight
Note Played" was selected, then crash at the end of the tune.
If you are going to install QT 5 preview, make sure that you keep
the QT 4.1.2 installer around so that you can revert to the last
good vers
Phil Taylor says -
Incidentally, JC's problem could easily be dealt with within the current
abc definition by means of global accidentals. If programs offered the
option to add these to the key signature rather than scattering them through
the music as accidentals you could write any
ct is another matter (apparently
musical authorities disagree on this).
The way around it is to take advantage of the extended tuplet notation described
in the next section of the standard, and write:
(5:4:4
meaning five notes in the time of four for the next four notes, which is what
yo
there.
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herwise.
With error checking off, it will play almost any abc you find on the net.
Many of these tunes will display errors when you try to display them
as music, and many more will fail the error checking mode.
Users are advised to do all checks on tunes which they intend to upload.
Phil T
it will simply ignore the second line.
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ry helpful.
All of these things need experimentation to get them to work, and it
would be a mistake to try and formulate an agreed standard in advance.
Eventually, what works best will go into a new standard and some other stuff
will be discarded. In the mean time you have to do some editing.
P
.
So, is there a way of doing this with a backslash char?
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Thanks folks. Thgis is not in the current version of BarFly,
but will be in the next.
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are some problems here.
While all the examples could be read off the screen, there seems to be
no way to download them. iCab lets you select the text, but not copy
it to the clipboard. Saving the whole page as text omits the abcs,
just leaving the text in between them.
Phil Taylor
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he Mac does the same thing, and
I do have it configured to deal with text/vnd.abc. (Mind you, I
have it configured to download the file and start up BarFly to display
it externally, so it's possible that that's what's interfering with
the object displays.)
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music in a field (which is IMO *very*
clumsy).
The trouble is that the music IS a field - for some reason Chris
didn't give it a field identifier separate from K:, and that in turn
has led to various problems with the order of fields which can precede
or follow K:, like P: and M:.
Phil Taylor
e a lot about the appearance of the text as well
as the resulting staff notation.
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the abc, and probably best implemented via a slider control so you
can tune the program just as you would tune any other instrument. A
numerical readout would be fine, but really I want to use my ears.
I don't possess an electronic tuner, although I did once use a digital
frequency meter to tune a conc
unes would be an
excellent pointer to where we need to concentrate in standardising abc.
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provide key and clef information
in the V: field.
That depends on what you consider the scope of a V: field to be.
Personally, I consider everything between the number and the next
V: field to be part of that scope, including the tune and any
fields contained within it, so key and clef info definitely
goes i
. This requires a slightly different way of writing
fields, possibly something like:
K;G
or
K::G
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probably make that decision with a high degree of accuracy
based on the presence or absence of staves.
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owels.
Clearly it must use the seventh, octave and ninth, since those get
mentioned prominently in the text. Add the tonic and fifth (since it's
hard to write any tune without those) and we're in business.
How about this:
o = C
u = G
e = Bb
a = c
i = d
X:1
T: The Name of God
C: Her
which interpret the abc, it's probably
better to be done by the transcriber.
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hould open
it with a text editor and remove (or comment out) all
text other than the abc, then save it with a .abc
file extension.
If I were a registered abc2win user, I'd be beating on
Jim Vint's door to ask for an update to fix this, along
with the playing at the wrong speed, and several other
problems.
P
should be edited accordingly once
the software has caught up.
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are now fixed then I owe you an apology.
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, and it plays correctly.
I'm not sure that I understand what the SYNC command is for. Is
it simply to define an area of text where all fields will be
interpreted as being global to all voices? On the whole I find
it more intuitive to avoid global fields except in the header.
Phil Taylor
should be forcibly synchronised from
this point, rather than "since the voices are already in synch here we can
put in some fields which apply to all of them".
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I acknowledge
towards the users is to make sure that it won't do them any harm
(carry viruses, corrupt their operating system etc). I do read and
reply to their letters, and have implemented many of their suggestions.
But I don't have to.
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of it will work on
his antique 68K Macs. MPW will run OK though, and if he can find a copy,
the old Apple Unix A/UX will also work.
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of a monopoly in the MAC market.
There's
macabc2mtex (now very old)
macabc2ps
macmidi2abc
Melody Assistant
Virtual Composer
abc4mac
Skink
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I wrote:
There's
macabc2mtex (now very old)
macabc2ps
macmidi2abc
Melody Assistant
Virtual Composer
abc4mac
Skink
Oops, forgot the one which I ported myself - James's yaps.
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for reasons which
I have stated many times before. We do not need to do away with
global accidentals, since it can be a local option for programs to
treat them either way.
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?
Anybody who expects that degree of interpretative ability from an abc
program is deluding himself. He should be using MIDI to record a
human musician instead.
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this fair___ maid, so___ mild and serene
(A/B/)c | d3 ef2{gfe} d e4 |
w:In* soft mur-mer-ing tones
dc A3/cef g2{agfg} a3{bag} |
w:Oh my lin-*net so green
edc3 Acd B3{cB} AG2 A A4 ||
w:Sweet* Bon-ey shall I neer___ see no more.
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sound like
| G2-G-G/2-G/4-G/8 A/8 B4 |
or
| G4 A/8 B/8-B/4-B/2-B-B2 |
?
BarFly can play it either way (it's a local option, so you can't change
it in mid-tune). As far as writing it is concerned I'd use slurs, i.e.
| (G4 {A}) B4 |
| G4 ({A} B4) |
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| lynne liberts wrote:
| i been looking for a while for a copy of 'my lagan love'
| (beautifull slow air)
| can anybody help me out with this one please
| regards to all kalle lynne
|
| It's quite a well-known song. It's other name is 'The Fairy Mistress'.
| If you can't
es inside the double-quotation
$ marks after the regular chord, e.g., "G(Em)".
Is this what you are looking for? It's likely to become the official
standard quite soon.
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Mike Whittaker said:
That's the baby!
Where's the 1.76 standard? I seem to have failed to find it.
http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/abc-draft.txt
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a suspended second chord, in which the third is replaced
with the second, e.g. Dsus2 = D E A (= 000230 on the guitar), Asus2 = A
B E = 002200.
And that one I've always called D9.
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Bert Van Vreckem wrote:
Phil Taylor wrote:
Bert Van Vreckem wrote:
I always thought that chord was D11, but then I never was very good
at figuring out the names for these things.
An 11th chord consists of 1, 3, (5), b7, (9), 11; a sus4 chord of 1, 4, 5.
Hence, D11 = D F# (A) C (E) G, Dsus4
the programmers something concrete to work with, and personally I much
prefer it.
(However, it will have to be written out in English, or most abc users
won't even bother to read it.)
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this:
X:2
T:Le jet du Lama
C:Phillippe Plard
M:C
K:Am
"Am"e/f/e/d/ cA B^G A2|"F"c/d/c/B/ A^G AB ca|\
"Am"e/f/e/d/ cA B^G A2|A/B/A/G/ FD EF E2:|
^GE DE F/E/D E2|^GE DE FF E2|^GE DE F/E/D E2|^DE F^F G^G A2:|
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Edit menu, then select Navigator Applications in the left panel of
the resulting dialog. You can specify any program which will open
text files to handle it.
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dd, dim, b and whatever we decide should mean "omit
this note".
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with
the standard if it is incorporated.
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or
primarily with abc should always display the whole contents of the file.
I would exclude programs which operate with other formats and only import
abc, but thyen such applications are not really suitable for use as helper
applications with a browser.
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won't want to comment on your proposal, either because they are not
into complex chord symbols or don't understand the formal grammar or
whatever. Give us the proposal again in English, styled as in the
draft standard and let's see what comment that generates.
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it works in BarFly)
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bal accidentals" can either be written
before the note wherever it occurs in the music (as at present) or added
to the key signature. Whichever the user chooses makes no difference to
the music as played, it's just a display option and does not break any
existing abc files (if there ar
explaining what he meant, as patiently as he can, to
passers-by who are about to become his dinner...
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arflystuff/barflypage.html
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n't looked to see, but you should be able to download the driver
from Hewlitt Packard's site.
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ipt file, while the "PDF" option
produces a pdf file (as you might guess).
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.
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is
correct.
[I'm going to try faking BASICs Sound command into giving the right
timing. Going by the book doesn't work very well.]
Ho ho! Isn't sound programming fun?
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so all intervals are very slightly wrong.
It's the only way you can tune an instrument with fixed tunings and
have it sound reasonably OK in all keys.
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dern instrument tuned
in equal temperament keys can sound different from each other, but I
think that's more to do with the mechanics of the instrument than the
actual pitches of the notes.
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back into place.
Of course the sound that you hear is considerably more complex because
it is coloured by the wood and air resonances of the body.
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einer Intonation")
Yes, it's the same in English.
...
Laura Conrad wrote:
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Phil Yes and no. the expression "well-tempered" comes from the
Phil title of Bach's two volumes of preludes and fugues. (...)
No, I think
makes these kinds of compromises,
whether they are aware of it or not.
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listening tests to see which
sounds better.
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is slightly
larger than an equally-tempered fifth. On a guitar, if you play the
open E on the first string, then the B on the seventh fret you can
hear that the B is slightly flat. Pulling the note a little sharp
makes it sound a lot better.
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postscript.
For that, you can use yaps (from the same url), or abc4mac from:
http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/7088
(All of these programs are free)
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of your two options: it
shifts the intonation settings to match the tonal centre given in the K:
field.
(Or you could just wait for me to write an intonation editor with a friendlier
user interface:-)
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considered "bad form"? If bad form,
what would be the correct way to display this sort of rhythm?
I don't remember actually seeing a piece of music with this feature,
but I don't see anything wrong with it in principle.
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Fusion available which will run it. Getting it working is not
a job for the faint hearted though.
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ally know how to assess the typographic
"rightness" of the PostScript output.
No, I've no idea either. I suspect that such timing shifts are not normally
notated.
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to the
clipboard and paste into a graphics program (Photoshop, GraphicConverter
or whatever), edit it and print from there.
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/index.html
Note that the standalone version requires Stuffit Expander version 6
to unpack it; you can get that from:
http://www.aladdinsys.com
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of
existing
intonation settings, create and delete new ones. Intonations can now be
either
rooted on a particular note or changing to match the K: field of the tune.
Get it from:
http://rbu01.ed-rbu.mrc.ac.uk/barflystuff/barflypage.html
(and in due course from the mirrors)
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bug which has plagued the 68K version for a
while.
Free as always to discerning Macintosh users.
http://rbu01.ed-rbu.mrc.ac.uk/barflystuff/barflypage.html
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Mark Fitzsimons' email address to John
off-list. I got your repeat message, but not the message describing the
document. It's been very quiet on the list for a while now - is that
because it's summer/exam season or because a lot of messages have got
lost?
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the third instrument in bank 2. Since Quicktime instruments
are not really organised into banks you cound also write this as
%%MIDI program 1 130 (130 = 127 + 3). This is likely to cause problems
with external synths though.
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send it to him later tonight.
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apply a stress program even in the absence of an R: field? If so,
how does it know which notes to emphasise?
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have as many different stress programs as you want, as
long as you can think up a unique name for that genre.
Kato rachenitsa is perfectly acceptable, if you can define what
it means in terms of length and velocity of notes in different
parts of the bar.
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and CERL. BarFly
gets position 9 while abc2win scrapes in at 22. No other abc software
gets a mention.)
And before I get flamed for it I'm not really claiming BarFly as any kind of
standard. I was being rhetorical.
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Ceilidh:-)
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John Chambers wrote:
Phil Taylor wrote:
If you want to see the BarFly version of the tune, it's at:
It occurs to me: If Phil were to write a version of BarFly
that also worked with lilypond, the first releases would
probably not do too good a job of it, and would mess up a
lot of both
would pose all kinds of compatibility nproblems.
One thing I thought of is to introduce a checksum in the header somewhere.
If the checksum doesn't match the tune you know that it's been mangled
(or even edited by hand).
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and send you the info.
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Sweden, 2 from Iceland and 4 from
Faroe. It's also been collected in Poland, Estonia and Slovakia. He
gives English words for 21 (mostly Scots) versions.
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: lines is a bit harder, but not impossible.
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A sign of the ever-growing popularity of abc on the net?
http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Multimedia/Music_and_Audio/Software/Notation/
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| Bd cA F2 D2 | G2 B2 E2 A2 |D2 GF G4 |]
V:2
G2 F2 E2 E2 | D2 FE D2 C2 | D4 G2 F2 | GB AF D2 C2 | B,4 C4 |D2 GF G4 |]
V:3
G4 C4 | D4 F4 | G4 D4 | G4 D4 | G4 C4 |D2 F2 G4 |]
I don't know whether abc2win can deal with this, but it should work
in most abc programs.
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is clearly inferior.
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