Re: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread Abram Demski
Steve, You didn't mention this, so I guess I will: larger animals do generally have larger brains, coming close to a fixed brain/body ratio. Smarter animals appear to be the ones with a higher brain/body ratio rather than simply a larger brain. This to me suggests that the amount of sensory

RE: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread John G. Rose
-Original Message- From: Steve Richfield [mailto:steve.richfi...@gmail.com] My underlying thought here is that we may all be working on the wrong problems. Instead of working on the particular analysis methods (AGI) or self-organization theory (NN), perhaps if someone found a

Re: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Richfield
Abram, On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Abram Demski abramdem...@gmail.com wrote: Steve, You didn't mention this, so I guess I will: larger animals do generally have larger brains, coming close to a fixed brain/body ratio. Smarter animals appear to be the ones with a higher brain/body ratio

Re: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread Jim Bromer
I think a real world solution to grid stability would require greater use of sensory devices (and a some sensory-feedback devices). I really don't know for sure, but my assumption is that electrical grid management has relied mostly on the electrical reactions of the grid itself, and here you are

Re: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Richfield
John, Your comments appear to be addressing reliability, rather than stability... On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:12 AM, John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.comwrote: -Original Message- From: Steve Richfield [mailto:steve.richfi...@gmail.com] My underlying thought here is that we may all

Re: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Richfield
Jim, Yours is the prevailing view in the industry. However, it doesn't seem to work. Even given months of time to analyze past failures, they are often unable to divine rules that would have reliably avoided the problems. In short, until you adequately understand the system that your sensors are

RE: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread John G. Rose
-Original Message- From: Steve Richfield [mailto:steve.richfi...@gmail.com] John, Your comments appear to be addressing reliability, rather than stability... Both can be very interrelated. It can be an oversimplification to separate them, or too impractical/theoretical. On Mon,

Re: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Richfield
John, On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:06 AM, John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.comwrote: Solutions for large-scale network stabilities would vary per network topology, function, etc.. However, there ARE some universal rules, like the 12db/octave requirement. Really? Do networks such as

Re: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread Mike Tintner
Steve: For example, based on ability to follow instruction, cats must be REALLY stupid. Either that or really smart. Who wants to obey some dumb human's instructions? --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed:

Re: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread Ian Parker
Isn't this the argument for GAs running on multicored processors? Now each organism has one core/fraction of a core. The brain will then evaluate * fitness* having a fitness criterion. The fact they can be run efficiently in parallel is one of the advantages of GAs. Let us look at this another

RE: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread John G. Rose
-Original Message- From: Steve Richfield [mailto:steve.richfi...@gmail.com] Really? Do networks such as botnets really care about this? Or does it apply? Anytime negative feedback can become positive feedback because of delays or phase shifts, this becomes an issue. Many

Re: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread Russell Wallace
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Steve Richfield steve.richfi...@gmail.com wrote: That being the case, why don't elephants and other large creatures have really gigantic brains? This seems to be SUCH an obvious evolutionary step. Personally I've always wondered how elephants managed to evolve

Re: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Richfield
Russell, On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Russell Wallace russell.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Steve Richfield steve.richfi...@gmail.com wrote: That being the case, why don't elephants and other large creatures have really gigantic brains? This seems to be SUCH

Re: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread Russell Wallace
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Steve Richfield steve.richfi...@gmail.com wrote: Another pet peeve of mine. They could/should do MUCH more fault tolerance than they now are. Present puny efforts are completely ignorant of past developments, e.g. Tandem Nonstop computers. Or perhaps they

Re: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Richfield
John, Hmmm, I though that with your EE background, that the 12db/octave would bring back old sophomore-level course work. OK, so you were sick that day. I'll try to fill in the blanks here... On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.comwrote: Of course, there is the

RE: [agi] A fundamental limit on intelligence?!

2010-06-21 Thread John G. Rose
-Original Message- From: Steve Richfield [mailto:steve.richfi...@gmail.com] John, Hmmm, I though that with your EE background, that the 12db/octave would bring back old sophomore-level course work. OK, so you were sick that day. I'll try to fill in the blanks here... Thanks man.