What is the CPU processing needed for AGI?
Dan Goe
From : Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject : Re: [agi] Processing speed for core intelligence in human
brain
Date : Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:14:57 -0400
Hi,
On a
James
Many thanks for the link on Computing Intelligence.
Dan Goe
From : James Ratcliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject : Re: [agi] Computing Intelligence? How too? .
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Date : Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:44:26
James,
Many thanks for the link on Computing Intelligence.
Dan Goe
From : James Ratcliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject : Re: [agi] Computing Intelligence? How too? .
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Date : Thu, 13 Jul 2006
I am new to AI.
Just trying to draw on the knowledge to see what has been done and can be
done, to better understand the developing technology.
I do believe the fitness function(s) key to directing AI evolution.
Dan Goe
From : Eugen Leitl
Thanks, Russell.
From : Russell Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject : Re: [agi] Measuerabel Fitness Functions? Flow charts?
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Date : Thu, 6 Jul
Does anyone know where I might find information on Fitness algorithms?
How does one determine the level of Intelligence of any given AI System
configuration?
What are the best methods of computing algorithm fitness or intelligence?
Dan Goe
Eugen:
If intelligence is ability to solve hard tasks,
I use the singinst.org web site def:
www.singinst.org/seedAI/seedAI.html
Self-understanding: The ability to read and comprehend source code; the
ability to understand the function of a code fragment or the purpose of a
module; the
The Science channel(193 Dishnetwork) has some shows that some of our AGI
people might like.
Sat:
Incredible Robots-The Evolution of Robots.
The brain processes Visual images.
Galapagos: Beyond Darwin.
Sun:
Some Physics shows:
Part of the Universe is Missing: String theory,
What are the advantages and distadvantages to predicate logic and NNs?
Dan Goe
From : Yan King Yin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject : Re: [agi] How the Brain Represents Abstract Knowledge
Date : Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:28:36
How do you score any given AI System test run?
Dan Goe
From : James Ratcliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject : Re: [agi] Reward versus Punishment? Motivational system
Date : Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:13:45 -0700 (PDT)
I would assume any one builder of any AI system would unconsciously
build in his own belief system and understandingly his biases.
This being seed AI, over time this might be mutated depending on the
designers influence and tolerance toward where the AI System might be
directed or
Generally, we reward good behavior and punish bad behavior.
Doing so with AI would seem to be to be most wise to direct the learning
and development to maximize knowing what is good and what is bad.
Other wise the AI system does not know what a bad module might be for not
being informed by
Wouldn't evolutionary seed AI find the parallel process and test that for
advanatages?
Dan Goe
From : William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject : Worthwhile time sinks was Re: [agi] list vs. forum
Date : Mon, 12 Jun
If your AI was operating on the web it might find itself at a sever
disadvantage with all of those con artist...
Your AI might lose bad...
While being friendly might be nice.
I think that is a vulnerable position to being taken advantage of...
If you are in a war game-simulation or real
Your statement...
Society must enforce vaccination for the good of all.
The first rule of AI is do no harm
This is may not always be the intent of political and non-rational
thinking of government officials.
Some people do not respond to vaccination as others do..
My guess is this is a
There will always be some hostile, virus or Trojan spreading elements.
I can envision AI wars.
AI can do a lot for mankind, yet the development may get bogged down in
more security versus productive development.
Interesting, very interesting...
Dan Goe
Isnt it best to evaluate the performance of any given AI system and
subsytems based upon time or instructions executed to arrive at the most
cost effective and optimal AI System?
I seem to prefer the instruction based system performance methodology.
Then as platforms and systems change,
What is the universal test for the ability of any given AI SYSTEM
to Perceive Reason and Act?
Is there such a test?
What is the closest test known to date?
Dan Goe
From : William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What are the other methods of approach to Seed AI?
Dan Goe
From : Mike Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To : agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject : Re: [agi] Numenta: article on Jeff Hawkins' AGI approach
Date : Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:54:31 -0400
The theoretical
The question remains of the limits of MB/GB size and resource
requirements.
Execution time for a given process
There are limits...
Does anyone have any idea of the size of Executable code of fully
developed AI System versus a seed AI system?
Dan Goe
IMO, it seems common both in governments and in doctors to treat the
symptoms and not the underlying cause...
I.e. your cold flu symptoms are treated with Sinus medication to drain
your sinus pressure, something for aches pains and fever, and something to
relieve your cough. In time, your
What is the largest test to date of Novamate on a distributed network of
machines?
Is Novamate designing itself?
Dan Goe
From : Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject : Re: [agi] Data there vs data not there, Limits
Do you have a projection of the optomistic and pesimistic times of when NM
will achieve Trans-Human intelligence?
How long before NM gets to first grade?
12th grade? collage?
Phd Status?
Dan Goe
From : Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What will be the minimum and optimum system requirements to run
(young-child level) NM?
Will you sell NM or sell the services that NM can offer?
Dan Goe
From : Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To : agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject : Re: [agi]
Gauging the value of any AI test run.
How do you gauge or score the performance value of any test run of any AI
system? Should you also score each module?
Dan Goe
From : Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject : Re:
I am trying to understand this issue...
Isn't Causality Decision Theory the basis of legal law Decision?
Someone was the Cause of the accident therefore they were the Cause of the
accident... even some courts award based upon the mediating circumstances
of those causes... Who gets what part
Maybe Intuition is a developing trate that has given those that have this
unique trate an edge in their environment?
Dan Goe
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Subject : Re: [agi] intuition [was: ... [was: ...]]
Date : Wed, 10
I believe there will be a subset of words for logic as the english
language and the definitions can be interpreted in different ways leading
to false determinations.
I am sure the interpretaions of many languages might lead to false
determinations. What being said or what was printed was
Maybe someone has some information regarding the time series evolution
from Seed AI to Trans-Human AI
I was trying to get some idea optimistic versus pessimistic time series
per some MIPS rate to get some idea of the learning curve versus time.
Dan Goe
Maybe someone can inform me of any web sites that have a listing of code
or psedo code of all types from general programs, Subroutines and
Functions to high level AI...
Or if you know of any books...
Dan Goe
From : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A. T.
Hardware and software continues to evolve...
Samsung Now Offering Flash-based Disk To Customers
Compared with hard disk drives, flash-based drives run silently, access
data faster than hard-disk drives, use less battery power, weigh less
and are more durable, according to Samsung.
Do you think the Google AGI entity would answer if you ask what stocks
are going up tomorrow and with what level of accuracy or probability?
How about asking where and when the big earthquake will hit in California.
Gauging AI's performance is going to be one of the major test of AI.
Dan
Searching is a part of AI... But is not deep logic like Chess...
Is IBM Deep Blue just a look up machine or really perceiving and logical
reasoning with an output of action.. the next move.
Of course, we do not know if people play chess well, we only know that
some play better than others.
Any
Ben,
Those that are watching are trying to pick up on good methodology and
not for any subversive. Seems the U.S. Government is investing heavy into
artificial intelligence... maybe they can apply it to the Artificial
Stupidy of some Congress memmbers.
Dan Goe
Ben,
I agree with you Open Source is like letting the AI Genie out of the
bottle. The power of human and transhuman AI will be so emence.
The Socio-Economics of many will change as AI goes open source degree by
degree.
Any good AI should be able to do financial optomization of Economics
If the AGI community could benefit from Cell Broadband maybe they could
come up with their own design...
What attributes would the AGI community want in their Cell Broadband
Engine?
Dan Goe
From : Tony Lofthouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To :
The rate of advancement of chips and the duel core has tipped the scale of
the cpu MIPS
What chips hold the record today and what is forecast for 2006?
And what system or systems will be the interface to scaling
up/interconnecting for the AI need?
Dan Goe
Maybe someone can inform the AGI group about Grid, Distributed Processing
and other Cluster Technology state of the art developing and performance
cost structure.
Dan Goe
From : Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There is a distinction between gathering known knowledge and representing
that known knowledge within a knowledge base of a given structure and
learning
Knowledge is generally facts.
The Total Known Knowledge and Machine Known Knowledge representation
approach a ratio of 1...
The ratio
Ben,
Maybe you and your friends that chat will pass the substantive issues
discussed back to the rest of those that can't make the meeting...
Dan G
From : Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ben:
Maybe your chat group would take up the subject and inform the web group
about the gauging of Knowledge and Intelligence quality and quantity?
If anyone would like to comment before the meeting please do so... this
only helps Ben frame the issues when in discussion with others.
Keep
Can any one tell me about how to gauge the Knowledge, Intelligence quality
and quantity in AI programs?
Dan G.
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Regretfully sir this may be worse as those who seem to have higher control
of our society may gain more control.. Some even have more control with
out AGI.. Then again this might level the playing field for some.
I'm sure the the argument can be made for both cases.
There may be a hidden
I do believe your talking about multiple modules..
those of,Perception,Reasoning,Actions,
Perception modules recognizes and or understands the differences between
modules...
Reasoning is the logic behind any possable changes in those modules and
Actions is the goal based direction someone
Investors want the most amount of return for the least amount of
investment, and little risk.
Seems funny that so many would benefit by AGI thru Health, Wealth and the
Wisdom of AGI but no one wants to fund it.
But the old axiom of build a better mouse trap and the world will beat a
path to
The design space of the future for AGI is the many specialized AGI's
running on many computers and the feedback from those being functionally
interwoven into a new and better AGI.
Dan G
From : J.Andrew Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To :
Even a simple start up with some expert systems and a good knowledge base
could possible start to predict economics of markets, which could be
capitalized on to cover further development cost.
Once the accuracy of the predictions become above a certain point
then you will have many
As AGI develops selective AI projects can be a side issue and those
in-house learning between the two projects reinforcing even a better AGI
project as the AGI project will have the benefit of the Selective AI
expertise and experience. Devising search techniques that will have a
better chance
Drug companies pour millions and sometimes more into drug research...
This takes a large expected return to cover the cost of development and
testing.
Dan G
From : J.Andrew Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject : Re:
Yes I do believe Modularity as part of the first Seed AI.
Seed AI should then allow its own redesign and reorganization.
Your mentioning of the structure/dynamics might foretell of a new or
modified AI compiler-concept generator-organizer-System Analyzer for
algorithms, structures and dynamics
Does anyone have a list of Seed modules for a Hard-Takeoff
or know of a web site that has a list?
From : Lukasz Kaiser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To : agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject : Re: [agi] Is computation a good concept for describing AI
software?
The basis of any Artificial Intelligence is learning how to learn.
Learning to perceive, reason and act towards a defined goal.
Many of the methodologies tried and even perfected will learn over time.
The question now is to start the methodology process forward.
The technology will develop over
There will always be some limitations... to that all that can be done is
optomize and move on till the higher speed links come to the web users.
Although any group might be able to team up with those that are offering
high speed web services and help them get customers and help our cause
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