On Sunday 13 May 2007 08:14:43 am Kingma, D.P. wrote:
John, as I wrote earlier, I'm very interested in learning more about your
particular approach to:
- Concept and pattern representation. (i.e. types of concept, patterns,
relations?)
As I mentioned in another note, (about the tennis ball),
On Saturday 12 May 2007 10:24:03 pm Lukasz Stafiniak wrote:
Do you have some interesting links about imitation? I've found these,
not all of them interesting, I'm just showing what I have:
Thanks -- some of those look interesting. I don't have any good links, but I'd
reccomend Hurley Chater,
John, as I wrote earlier, I'm very interested in learning more about your
particular approach to:
- Concept and pattern representation. (i.e. types of concept, patterns,
relations?)
- Concept creation. (searching for statistically signifcant spatiotemporal
correlations, genetic programming,
Mike,
I just wonder that whenever you find there's one thing so screamingly
obvious that you guys don't seem to be taking it into account, have
it ever occurred to you that there may be a valid reason?
For the current issue, whether there is still human in the loop has
little to do with the
On Friday 11 May 2007 08:55:12 pm Mike Tintner wrote:
...All these machines you are talking about are
basically inert lumps of metal and don't exist without human beings to
switch them on, feed them interpret them.
Same is true of a baby, except for the part where you can turn it off and
On Friday 11 May 2007 09:15:56 pm Mike Tintner wrote:
I'm saying the last 400 years have been framed by Descartes' and science's
mind VERSUS body dichotomy. That in turn has been expressed in a whole
variety of subsidiary dichotomoies and cultural battles:
... mind vs body
... reason vs
On Friday 11 May 2007 08:26:03 pm Pei Wang wrote:
*. Meaning come from experience, and is grounded in experience.
I agree with this in practice but I don't think it's necessarily,
definitionally true. In practice, experience is the only good way we know of
to build the models that provide us
: [agi] Tommy
Mike,
I just wonder that whenever you find there's one thing so screamingly
obvious that you guys don't seem to be taking it into account, have
it ever occurred to you that there may be a valid reason?
For the current issue, whether there is still human in the loop has
little
/robot that is only fractionally as exploratory.
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From: J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [agi] Tommy
On Friday 11 May 2007 08:55:12 pm Mike Tintner wrote:
...All these machines you
On 5/12/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 11 May 2007 08:26:03 pm Pei Wang wrote:
*. Meaning come from experience, and is grounded in experience.
I agree with this in practice but I don't think it's necessarily,
definitionally true. In practice, experience is the only
Josh:My major hobby-horse in this area is that a concept has to be an active
machine, capable of recognition, generation, inference, and prediction.
This sounds very like Jeff Hawkins, (just reading On Intelligence now). Do
you see your position as generally accepted, or at the forefront of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Help from anyone on this list with experience with the GNU toolchain on
ARM-based microcontrollers will be gratefully accepted :-)
I have a lot of such experience and would be happy to help out with whatever
you need. Post more details here if you think they
On Saturday 12 May 2007 09:18:16 am Mike Tintner wrote:
Josh:My major hobby-horse in this area is that a concept has to be an active
machine, capable of recognition, generation, inference, and prediction.
This sounds very like Jeff Hawkins, (just reading On Intelligence now). Do
you see
On 5/13/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Saturday 12 May 2007 09:00:46 am Pei Wang wrote:
...My understanding is that ..., your world model is, in essence, a bunch
of if I
do this, I'll observe that, which is a summary of experience, or
interactions between the system and
Thanks! I'll be in touch.
Josh
On Saturday 12 May 2007 10:08:26 am Derek Zahn wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Help from anyone on this list with experience with the GNU toolchain on
ARM-based microcontrollers will be gratefully accepted :-)
I have a lot of such experience and would
J. Storrs Hall writes:
Tommy, the scientific experiment and engineering project, is almost all
about concept formation.
Great project! While I'm not quite sure about meaning in the concept of
price-theoretical market equilibria thing, I really like your idea and it's
similar in broad
In order to differentiate this from the rest of the robotics crowd you
need to avoid building a specialised pinball playing robot. If the
machine can learn and form concepts based upon its experiences it
should be able to do so with any kind of game, provided that suitable
actuators are
Bob Mottram writes: In order to differentiate this from the rest of the
robotics crowd you need to avoid building a specialised pinball playing robot.
I can't speak for JoSH, but I got the impression that playing pinball or
anything similar was not the object, the object was to provide real
Josh: Thus Tommy. My robotics project discards a major component of robotics
that is apparently dear to the embodiment crowd: Tommy is stationary
and not autonomous
As Daniel Wolpert will tell you, the sea squirt devours its brain as soon as
it stops moving. In the final and the first analysis,
Josh,
Interesting work, and I like the nature of your approach.
We have essentially a kind of a pin ball machine at IDSIA
and some of the guys were going to work on watching this
and trying to learn simple concepts from the observations.
I don't work on it so I'm not sure what the current state
On Friday 11 May 2007 02:01:09 pm Mike Tintner wrote:
...
As Daniel Wolpert will tell you, the sea squirt devours its brain as soon as
it stops moving.
As Dan Dennet has pointed out, this resembles what happens when one gets
tenure...
In the final and the first analysis, the brain is a
Friday, May 11, 2007, J Storrs Hall, PhD wrote:
JSHP 2. The hard part is learning: the AI has to build its own world
JSHP model.
And for this it requires complex enough world to model. Information
about the world can be given by static description (which also includes
action-reaction
Right. The key issue is autogeny in the mental architecture. Learning will be
unsupervised to start, with internal feedback from how well the system is
expecting what it sees next. Then we move into a mode where imitation is the
key, with the system trying to do what a person just did (e.g.
Yes, thank you, a meaningful and very interesting project. I discussed this
kind of system with a friend of mine half an hour ago.
On 5/11/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2. The hard part is learning: the AI has to build its own world
model. My instinct and experience
On 11/05/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tommy, the scientific experiment and engineering project, is almost
all about concept formation. He gets a voluminous input stream but is
required to parse it into coherent concepts (e.g. objects, positions,
velocities, etc). None of
Josh,
This is an interesting idea that deserves detailed discussion.
Since the 90s there has been a strand in AI research that claims that
robotics is necessary to the enterprise, based on the notion that
having a body is necessary to intelligence. Symbols, it is said, must
be grounded in
Josh,
Since the 90s there has been a strand in AI research that claims that
robotics is necessary to the enterprise, based on the notion that
having a body is necessary to intelligence. Symbols, it is said, must
be grounded in physical experience to have meaning. Without such
grounding AI
Josh,
I'm not quite sure what your angle is here, but I don't seem to be
communicating, (please correct me). If BTW you and/or others aren't
interested in this whole cultural history area, please ignore.
I'm saying the last 400 years have been framed by Descartes' and science's
mind VERSUS
Josh,
[ignore previous truncated version]
I'm not quite sure what your angle is here, but I don't seem to be
communicating, (please correct me). If BTW you and/or others aren't
interested in this whole cultural history area, please ignore.
I'm saying the last 400 years have been framed by
Computational
AI/AGI vsrobotics
(Symbolic AIvs (situated, embodied
evolutionary robotics)
What has been happening over the last decade or so, is that all these
dichotomies have been dissolving. It's arguably a
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